223 - Can We Talk About People's Bodies?

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 1 (01:01):
What's happening? Friend?

Speaker 2 (01:02):
And not much? Happy? December?

Speaker 1 (01:06):
I know December third? What is happening?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
My birthday month.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Fuck yeah, you know it gotta do that. I got
to make up for the fact that I'm born five
days before Christmas, so.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
It's not fair. U.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
No, that's all good though. Yeah, let's see what is
going on? What is not going on?

Speaker 2 (01:31):
How was your holiday? Thanksgiving?

Speaker 1 (01:34):
It was really good. It was really nice to hang
out with my family, but we left early. I was
supposed to see my cousins and then it turns out
that one of my cousin's husband just got diagnosed with dementia.
So she's like, I don't think it's a good idea
for I have all these people come over. So that
got canceled. And then my cat, cornbread, or my son's cat,

(01:57):
was stuck in a closet for twenty four fucking hours,
and uh so that was a bit chaotic, and we're like,
let's just go home. That the cat's fucking losing his mind.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
So got it? Old meat ball cornbread? Oh sorry, corn bread, Yes,
cornbread the new addition corn bread and meatball cat, not
the dog. Yeah, yeah, good good.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
I was your.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Let's see, it was good. I had two Thanksgivings to
go to. I went to Thanksgiving Day and then with
my family on on Saturday. Uh huh, let's see, honestly,
like the three days like it was like what Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
I took three full days off of work and I
haven't done that in a long time. I don't know

(02:47):
the last good good for you? You need it too.
I don't think i've done that since maybe like other
than like travel, like when I was in Kilimanjaro. Obviously
I wasn't working when I was on the mountain, but
I haven't really taken time off like that this year.
It's definitely not since I kind of, you know, downsize

(03:07):
my business and went to just myself and mouth right, yeah,
I've been grinding. So it was nice. And I found
myself putting a lot of pressure on myself to work
actually during that time and because it's hard, right, don't
have to exactly, And that's what I had to say
to myself because I was getting caught up in like, oh,
let's do a Black Friday promo, Let's do a Black
Friday offer, right like, and I was going, but then

(03:29):
I was thinking about it and planning it and everything.
I was like, this is I don't want to do this,
Like this is too much stress. I don't want to
be everybody's offering Black Friday stuff right now. Anyway, I'm
just like I don't want to do it, you know,
So I didn't and I just didn't work and instead
and I took some time off and relaxed, and you
gotta do what you gotta do, absolutely absolutely, you know

(03:49):
mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
This week, I know, taper is not fun, is it.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
No, it's not fun.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Not being it makes me edgy and just like antsy.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, yeah, I got to run in my last run yesterday,
somewhat three days out from my uh from my race. Yeah,
I'm chomping at the bit. I'm I'm ready to go,
but let's weak a taper here. So three miles of
running this week before my race, and I only did
what I think eight last week, you know, so we
really haven't been really running much. I'm ready, I'm ready.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
I read I'm like, how many miles a week? Like
over thirty miles a week to eight miles is like
yeah exactly, that's.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Like two runs right, like yeah, so yeah, yeah, feeling
feeling good about though, ready to ready to tackle it.
Starting my car blow today, I know, I oh yeah,
once we were talking about it, on the last podcast,
the last episode, people were like, send me messages. You
got to keep us updated on how your car blow's coming.

(04:53):
You gotta let's know, like how you're going to do
that and.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Everything, right, you should document it.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, I'm taking pictures and stuff. I'll probably I do
this all the time. Maybe I'll make a post. I
don't know. I'm just so terrible with make social media content.
It's like the least of my concerns anymore is posting
on social media.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
I'm like, I'm spending all my time coaching and in
my business, you know, and that's that's what makes me happy.
And I was talking about with my clients yesterday because
I'm working on a new program and they're like, what
do you have coming up in twenty twenty six. I'm like,
I don't know yet, Like I'm working on it, you know.
And I started talking to like, I just I'm tired
of marketing, and like I don't want to market. I
don't want to be doing big promos and stuff like that.
So whatever can make my life easier there, I'm like,

(05:32):
I just want to coach. So yeah, obviously their marketing
isn't necessary evil And I'm really good at marketing. I
just don't like it.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Oh who does I mean? I feel you? Yeah, you
know I'm with you on that. We're I don't like
selling my own shit. And I had a Black Friday
thing too, and I think and I announced it one time.
You know what I'm saying. It's just like I'm horrible
but whatever.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, so yeah, I ran going back to my table
really quickly. Quick update, like how I'm feeling. My legs
feel great, my foot field's phenomenal. No pain I've been
pain free for probably almost two weeks now.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Good. Nice.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, I ran on the spread mill yesterday. It is huge.
It is huge. And when I was running yesterday, my
legs just felt so fresh and so like, yeah, so it's.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Very crush that race. I'm so excited for you.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
You're gonna be a fucking ultrarunnerner. You went from straight
up fucking half marathon or to ultra runner. You skipped
right over that fucking marathon.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Skipped over the marathon. Running a road marathons. I'm skidding
people out there like that, enjoy it, like I'll do
one at some point, I'm sure. But that's yeah, that's
not why I got into running, and that's not where
what my what my enjoyment is. I love being on
the trails. So yeah, for sure skip the marathon. I
saw Doc Liss also did that, alys ol Nick. She's
she's an ultrararunner, right. Uh, she just now did her

(06:58):
first road marathon, just like a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Oh wow, okays done.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Hundred mile ultra marathons, you know, which is funny. So
and she crushed it. She got sub four.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
That's awesome. That's hard. Yeah, oh yeah, amazing.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Real quick a shout out. I was just talking with
one one of clients here earlier. So you were and
you went to Connecticut right for Thanksgiving? Yeah, I think
she messaged you on Instagram Amory the same planet fitness,
I think.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Okay, yeah, I knew her. She was looked familiar, her
name was very familiar. Yeah, apparently she just missed me.
She's like, you're at my planet Finnis, And I was
already gone, and I was like, no.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Fucking way, Well, Beth, I'm not I'm not a stalker,
but I did at the fangirl moment.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
That's awesome. Tell her I left the little message on
the table. It was like, you know, leave a leave
a nice message for people that are here or whatever,
and so maybe she could see that.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
I don't know, Oh nice, Yeah, go fuck yourself.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
No I didn't say go. I said we can do
hard things. Yeah. That was actually a really good Planet
Fitness f y I amory. I was way better than
my Planet Fitness is so fucking clean, it's so new.
I wonder how new that place is because I definitely
loved that place a lot better than mine. Had way
more options, way more uh more equipment. Yeah, very very,

(08:18):
very big clean ass bathroom. I was like impressed. It
looked like a fucking hotel bathroom, like a nice hotel bathroom.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
That's one thing I've noticed with Plane of fitnesses is
that most of them that I've been to they have
really small bathrooms. Yeah, this massive call like one maybe
two urinals and two one or two stalls, and these
are like busy locations in Toledo, And like.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
What why, Yeah, here's my fucking ass.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yes, I did. So.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
My brother and me we were partners, and my sister
and her friend were partners. And it's like a partner wad.
They call it workout of the day and it was
the scene was don't drop the turkey. So whatever we did,
we had to hold onto a medicine ball while the
other person was doing this. So we had to go
back and forth like they were like two hundred sit ups,
and so the sit ups were partner sit ups where
you had a medicine ball and you're going back and

(09:10):
then you're sitting up, handing it to your partner and
going back. I couldn't fucking breathe for like three days up.
I have not had been so sore my asps. I
couldn't even cough. Matt. I was like, it hurts to cough,
it hurts to breathe in and so we had to
The first exercise was like a hundred calorie row, so

(09:31):
me and my brother had to go back and forth.
He was like, let's do forty calories each and you're
going fucking balls the walls like you. I wouldn't fucking
just like it's fat. I'm like I'm crushing it right.
I was like, I feel so strong. And then you
had to do like medicine ball thrusters, you know, and
couldn't drop the ball. If you dropped the ball, you
had to do one hundred meter run, didn't drop the ball,

(09:53):
and then of course burpies to box box step ups
back to Burpy's. I didn't do regular burpees. I did
modified burpies, Like I am not fucking up my back,
because that's what always happens when I do Burpie's, I
fuck up my lower back. So I modified those. And
then we had to do like two hundred jump ropes.
I was supposed to be double unders, so I'm like,

(10:14):
double unders. No, I'm not able to do a double
unders since I was like twelve.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
And so we meet my brother who are pretty athletic,
like like, my brother is fucking like shredded and he
worked out all the time. He fucking runs and walks.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
New York City, very muscular, you know.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
And he's like, why did we do so terrible? And
I'm like, Matt, we don't do this type of ship, Okay.
I go, I strength train and I run and I walked.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
The different modality of training.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
I don't fucking do CrossFit, and I don't do these
movements every day.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Right, like yeah, specific right, like when you right, CrossFit
is a specific type of way of training.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah. And so my my sister kicked our ass and
my brother was like, we're competitive. If actually they these
two are more than I am, I'm like, I give
a flying fuck. But he was just like all days
like I just don't understand. I'm like, shut the fuck up.
I couldn't tell you if he was like joking or
if he was serious, you know, and I'm like, show
the funk out, you're fine, Like who cares? Who cares?
If we were a fucking last okays, super competitive? Yeah,

(11:19):
him and my sister got it. It was just pretty funny.
But that was hard.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yeah, it was CrossFit. Had CrossFit is hard. I'm not
going I'm not I'm not a crossfitter. That's not my
my jam. Props to you if you are, if that
is your thing, but.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
It's so fucking hard. And watching those people do the
muscle ups and stuff, I was like, that's pretty impressive. Yeah,
that was an option to do. I was like, I'm okay,
I'm not never done a muscle up. Yeah, but it
was fun. It was fun.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Good. I'm glad you had some fun.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, I'm gonna do something different, you.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Know, Yeah, for sure, spice it up.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Oh yeah, I'm good. And here we are, here, we
are so my basement let's talk about my basement runner
update and the fact that our carpenter Kevin had a
fucking heart attack. What. Yes, he's okay, he was. I
just saw him this morning.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
While he was working at your house, or no.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
It happens Sunday afternoon. We just saw him. You wanted
to take a look at my car, my new car.
And then I guess that afternoon he had a heart
attack at his house. His he was like, oh my god,
my chest and he's like told his wife to call
nine one one, sent him to the er. They drove
him to Portland an hour and a half away. They're like,

(12:41):
you're having a heart attack. We need to put a stint.
You have a blockage. So I had two stints put
in and he was back last night. Mike picked him up.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
He can he even work right now.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
You keep going in and out with the you keep
going in and out with the internet. Okay, now you're back.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Okay, hopefully doesn't continue.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Oh shit, Yeah, he's he's good. He of course has
to do what people have to do after a heart attack.
And let's go through what some they call it pete
there and I was looking at the PT and basically
it's you need to, you know, do the nutrition and exercise.
That's what their pet is. And I'm like, okay, that's

(13:34):
I can help you with that. And let's start like
he is basically starting from ground zero where he's having
to quit smoking smoker and change his diet and exercise,
and so my thoughts are with him. It's like, let's
start with the path of least resistance, and that would
be the fact that he loves to drink regular soda. Okay,

(14:00):
Like I drank about a couple of regular sodas in
the day and then I have like five at night.
I'm like, all right, let's swap out with dia soda immediately.
That's the only thing you're gonna do, right though, because
that right there will cut fucking seven eight hundred calories
at least at least probably a thousand.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
A day, you know what I'm saying. Oh yeah, because
of how many.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
So obviously he needs to lose. He has more. He's
pretty like not obese or.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
A contractor, right, son, He's.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Got his super strong, but he has a really big belly,
which is a sign of visceral fat, right, and putting
that you know fat, uh, the stress on your organs
and that's a lot for your heart. So that's what
I think, you know, we need to try to manage
that first, and the nutrition part that's going to calm.
But let's let's start with one thing, especially with never
done and never done anything before. Like we're talking like

(14:51):
very stubborn male like picture of Mic times ten, you
know kind of.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Thing there last time, or at least you might.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Have because you were here when we were getting stupped on. Yeah,
oh yeah, you probably have.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
He I think he was checking on the he was
building the shout out back or something or maybe yeah,
then you have you guys have just laid the round
or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So you're like working with
him then on that.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
I'm going to try to help him. Mike's like, you know,
would you be able to help Kevin? I like, of course,
I'll help him. I mean, I'm not going to be
a friend of your guys, coach, but I will guide
him and be like this is what I feel like
you should do. And now you're Mike's new walking partner,
is what I.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Said, badass? I love that.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, right, and so Mike's gonna help him with benefit
Mike too, That's what I'm saying right, And I think
this is a little scare for Mike, which he kind
of needed. In my mind. He's become really close with Kevin,
and so this is like a like a wake up call.
He's like, he's too young. I'm like, so are you?
Mm hmm, you're gonna be Kevin's like a couple of
years older than you. Yeah, he's he's a stroke survivor.

(16:00):
He he vapes and he doesn't he that well and
you know, I mean, let's I'm gonna be real here,
it's he does not. He doesn't like for.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
A while, has he stopped that. I think he has.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Yeah, he does. He has because he needs someone to
guide him. And I couldn't. I couldn't do that anymore,
you know, Matt.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
I I I.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Was suffering my own in my own like fitness because
of it. And just because he's my husband doesn't mean
I need to cater to him and walk him through everything.
Like I string trained with him and showed him the
way for a year. I was like, I will pay
for you to get your own app to get the
programming so you can go and you can do it.
And he's just like no, So I mean that's not

(16:42):
my deal. You're a fucking adult male, and if you
want to do these things, I don't need to be
there to fucking hold your hand anymore. I need to
do my own ship.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
I was just talking with a client about that, about
how like the men in her life right, like, they
don't understand what she's doing. They don't get it. And
she's like, but they don't need.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
To get it right exactly.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, She's like, I'm doing this for myself finally for
the first time.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
That so true. Once you get to that point, everything changes.
Nothing will stand in your way, nothing, And that is
such a good point mat honestly, because people can let
anything like stand their way like a child or you know,
it's like my fitness and my health they take present.
I will pivot and I will not let something like

(17:32):
school closing or Mike not being able to do something
with Johnny for for me to skip a workout. My
workout is always going to get done.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, And people hear us say these things, you know,
you know, there's always a stigma associated with that, right like, oh,
that's selfish. It's like, no, it's fucking not like.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
It's supposed to be selfish.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, right, also true, you know it's not self care,
it's or it's not selfish, it's fucking self care. You know,
you should be selfish because if you're not, if you're
not selfish about your health about taking care of yourself,
who the fuck is going to do it? And then
those people that are depending on you, Mike and Johnny
or whoever like we're talking to here in your life

(18:11):
that's depending on you, then you do at your best.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah. The thing is, if I didn't wasn't able to
do those things for me, I would be a complete asshole.
I would not be a really good mom and I
would be a horrible wife because I'd be fucking pissed.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Sure, you know, so absolutely you.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Got to do these things for you guys. Let this
be a lesson. Honestly, totally.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
I think it's a really good, like kind of segue
to like probably what we want to talk about this week,
because I know there's a lot of doing things for
yourself and you know, just talking about bodies and body
image of skinny, right, the skinny talk and things like that.
I feel like we're probably going to talk about today.
So but at the end of the day, you do
have to do it for yourself. And I've been talking

(18:53):
with a lot of clients this week and that's been
the resounding theme, is like, I'm doing this for myself.
I can't pay attention to anybody else. I've been doing
that my entire life. I can't compare myself to anybody else.
I've been doing that my entire life. I've been changing
myself for other people, for validation, for expectations my entire life.
I've done the way Watchers, I've done the Jenny Craigs right,
all of those things. And it's like I wish and

(19:15):
people are in some of my clients just before this
was she was like, I wish I would know now,
like what I knew. I wish I knew this now,
or what I know now twenty years ago or thirty
years ago. Yeah, And I'm like, yeah, I get that,
But also you that you had to live through that
experience probably in order for you to actually understand it
and get to that point.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Right, you might've got the information but weren't able to
apply it because of the beliefs that you had at that.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Time, exactly your beliefs, your relationship with food.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Where we are right now, with a lot of people,
which is where we are right now, with a lot
of people anyway, you know, yeah, absolutely, it's like when
you're ready, you're ready, and basically you're gonna have to
get to a point where you're just sick of your
own shit.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yes, And we don't know it's going to We can't
tell you, right, we can't.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Yeah, only you do for sure?

Speaker 2 (20:04):
For sure. Cool, let's get into it.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
All, right, Where do we even start?

Speaker 2 (20:10):
I don't know, I think, So what do we want
to talk about? Like, I think the frame the framing
is today will maybe probably like be about like skinny talk, right,
and they need to talk skinny and.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Any talk like TikTok or talk.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, and and the trends, right, the trend of being
thin again and the dangers of that and all the
current discourse going on around that.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Yeah, okay, So here here's my thoughts with with it,
and then you can chime in. Okay, So, for obvious reasons,
we all know that there are people out there that
are withering away, right, it's a trend. It's a fucking trend.
Without we don't have to call names out we already know.
No one needs to be like labeled, right, and that

(20:55):
that is something we need to talk about. I agree you, right,
but we don't need to talk about specific people for instance,
but we need to talk about the trend because that's
a real fucking issue. Right, So how do we go
about talking about a trend without talking about individuals? Right?
And I think there's a fine line, and people may
not know how to do that. Yeah, you know, because

(21:16):
it's not something that should be silenced. It's not something
that we should throw under the rug. We're ten it's
not happening, because it really is and it's affecting. It's
a societal issue. And then we have like GLP one
medications that are becoming more used off label, for instance,
for people that don't need them, and so like, where
where do we do when you have people that you

(21:39):
know because it like I talked about today, I would
have been on a GLP one if I could have
gotten it off label twenty years ago, because I also
would never have qualified for it because I'm I was
never obese. Overweight, yes, obese, no, not diabetic. And so
this is what's happening. And at one point you say,
when is enough? It's like this, look that these people

(22:01):
are trying to achieve our bodybuilder bodies, which a GLP
one will not give you a six pack, and you're
living at that body size without the proper oversight. Do
you know what I'm saying? So I don't know. I
can go on for days, but yeah, thin is a
trend right now, and so what do we do.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
And is in unfortunately it is how.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Do we how do we stop this unrealistic vision of
what a body should look like? I think it's becoming morphed.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, I think. I mean honestly, like the things we
talk about and the things we do, I think that's
the like, I think that's the solution. I don't know
if that's a solution, but that I think that's how
we approach it. Because we this podcast on our socials,
we've been talking about like the dangers of being too skinny,
too undermuscled, malnourished. Right is just now it's just catching

(22:54):
a headway because everybody's talking about it, you know, because
because it's current things. And I also think too, I
don't know if it's not necessarily we can't name drop
and use names in that way. I think it's more
so like how we approach it, right, Like how we
talk about people. That's that's where I'm kind of like,
that's where I've been upset with lately because I've seen
a lot of like negative.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
I've seen some that's the thing. And when you're start
to like really like go like like talk about someone's
body in like such a disgusting way, and it's very
it's like, what are you doing? That's gross? I agree,
it's it's a social media way though. They do that
with everything, and do you know what I mean. They
will do that with people that are overweight, they'll do
that with people that are skinny. They just do that
for any fucking video that you see.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yeah, unfortunately, So that's what I've been saying recently, right,
is like, hey, stop talking about their body specifically and
being so fucking negative about it. Like we can talk
about these things, but like if we can't do it
in a way where we're not body shaming people, what's
the fucking point. It's like abusive, it is, it's not
helping anybody. And no, it's just really unfortunate because every

(23:55):
time I, like every video I've made, I'll either receive
a comment and they're like, why are you so telling
us to not talk about it, like the dangers. I'm like,
did you listen? Like we know this, people just don't
listen to what you fucking say. I'm like, yes, the
eating disorders are very real, very dangerous. We should be
talking about them. And I'm like, if you've paid attention
to me for the last five six fucking years, I
do talk about these things, you know. But some time

(24:19):
people have their bodies disgusting right like that they.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Like with said name in front of it, Yes, did
you see x X whatever her name is, and her
rib cage or her bone structure, her hips and you know,
they have to get all detailed and ship. It's like,
we don't need to go there. We already know this.
Why are you even saying that you don't have to? Sure?

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, I agree, I hear you. I think pointing out
like yeah, we like that is too Like most of
the time we would probably say that's too lean, that's
too skinny, But I think, sure, I just had a
brain fart again, Okay, so yeah, pointing out like looking
like a look, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

(25:03):
But again, it's the things that have been said afterwards,
like oh it's so gross. I shouldn't be able to
see her shoulder bones, right, I shouldn't be able to
sea or her hips. That's gross. It's like, that's gross.
I'm like, that's first of all, that's your opinion. But like,
what if your ten year old daughter just heard that
and she looks like that? Does she think she's gross now?
And what is that going to do for her?

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Right?

Speaker 2 (25:24):
So the way we talk about these things matter.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
So I think I tell the story a little bit
like I actually lived with someone that had a severe
eating disorder. Her name was Kathleen Shea, and she always Recently,
I've been thinking about her a lot, and it's one
of those things that I don't think people realize that
I'm as I'm on social media, I'm also going through
my own healing journey of shit that I have dealt

(25:49):
with in my when I was drinking, and that relationship
with me and Tobin, her brother was crazy and like
she was involved in that. She he was like an
owner of a life venue band bar right, and we
were living with him and his sister who had bolimia
and anorexia. Yeah, And it was such a crazy dynamic

(26:12):
because I believe that Tobin wanted her to live with
us so we can make sure that she was okay.
So you got that, what's Kathleen doing? Where's Kathleen? You
know what I mean? Is Kathleen in the bathroom. I
was like, when we go out to dinner, Kathleen's going
to go to the bathroom and she's going to get
herself sick. And then you know, it was just like,
oh my god. It was so very hard because she
was the kindest, coolest girl, to be honest, and she

(26:36):
was just sick. And it was like one of those
things that we sent away to like Malibu for three
to four months and not sing. She was in those
facilities for more than one time, and they're not cheap,
and it's so it was one of those things because
she could never, never get through, and she ultimately died.

(27:00):
She died before she was forty years old because all
of her organs shut down and she was like doing cocaine,
taking laxatives, you know, sticking her finger down her throat,
not eating. It was always it was a form of
something and she was very very thin. But we never
talked about that. We never did. It was always just
like it was just like having these conversations are you okay,

(27:22):
And it was like she knows, she knew, Like these
people know that they're sick.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Right exactly because they know they know, and so telling
them and pointing out these things like oh, you're too skinny,
like that doesn't help.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
No, you know, we were never we were never like
that with her. We were like, oh my god, Kathleen,
You're like, you're so fucking skinny right now. We never
said a word. It was always like to each other like,
oh my god, like what do we do, like we
all need to help? Yeah, and it's like it's it's
one of those things I think they throw what is
the word I'm looking for. It does give them a

(27:59):
youth of some sort when they do these things, like
whether it be binging, you know, or purging and not eating.
It's like a high. And it's what they continuously do.
And there's a reason why they continuously do it because
it's giving something that they're lacking. Now, I'm not an
eating disorder therapist, but you know, I've listened and I've

(28:23):
experienced a lot of right, and so it's a lot.
It's a lot, and it is a family thing. When
you have somebody that is has an eating disorder. It
doesn't just affect the person, it affects everybody. And I
lived in that experience, so I know that just like
an alcoholic, you know, it's a family disease.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, sure, so it can be hereditaria.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
You know. We also lived in la at a time
where everybody she was a model, she was an actress, everybody,
you know, the thing was like you need to be
this then. And we didn't have social media, we had magazines.
When we had she had like, you know, jobs that
she probably needed to be a specific size because that's
how they are.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, And so you get into that world and that
you get sucked in.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
You. I think that's a really good point there is
that it's that environment, that that whole world where that
that thing that is glamorized, absolutely that is normalized.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
How do we not know that the whole entire cast
of Wicked was told to be that thin for their
their part. We don't know that because that's how Hollywood is.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Mm hm, for sure, we don't.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
We don't know. I won't say anything. I don't am
I could be you know, that's what we're all just
making it up right now.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah, then that's what I've been saying, is like, we're
just making assumptions. We're like, we're now we don't know,
you know.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
And I.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
This is where I struggle too, because like we don't
know what these people are going through, and that's why
we shouldn't make assumptions. And I just know it breaks
my heart to hear some of these people from the
WA could cast talk like Ariana, Right, she she her
body that she is being compared to. She's like and

(30:09):
whether it's true or not, I don't know, right, I
don't know, nobody else knows. But she's like that body
that everybody says was healthier I was struggling with drugs
and alcohol and depression. Like what And I'm me, I'm
sitting here here listening to that. I'm like, why would
anybody want that for? You know, like objectively speaking, if
she's no longer using drugs and alcohol, like, wouldn't she
be healthier?

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Like?

Speaker 2 (30:28):
And I know, like there's the body.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
I think if you weren't anymore, you would look healthier.
That's the thing. If you weren't doing any drugs and
you were healthy, a healthy mind, you probably wouldn't look
the way she does currently.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, I don't know it's it's hard to say.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
And I'm just saying that we can't. It's not just
one person totals more than it's more than one person.
So yeah, is it a coincidence? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
So I think just these kind I think, honestly, a
conversation like we're having these, the conversations that need to
be had without judgment, without shame. Absolutely they should be
coming from support in a place of understanding, right right,
understanding what people are struggling with, what what, what they're feeling,

(31:16):
what they're thinking, what they're feeling. So without understanding, you know,
like you're not gonna be able to change anything or
anyone and nobody's gonna be able to change.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
You have to want to get treatment. And I know
that for a fact. I'm living with someone that everyone
wanted to go to treatment mm hmm. And it wasn't
until she was ready to go to treatment and fully
commit that she wanted a treatment. But then she was
sure as fuck ready to get the fuck out of
treatment to go back to what she was doing.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
So it's just like with addicts, right, Like addition runs
in my family, So I have a lot of experience
dealing with that's like, you can't make an addicts change.
They got to get there, get there on their own.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
It's the same. It's the same thing with.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
You can't make anyone change with anything. I'm pretty sure
of it exactly in general.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Right, And I know shaming addicts doesn't work either. I've
certainly shamed people in my life and my family members
for you know, being an addict before I knew better,
and that absolutely didn't help them either. Yeah, that makes
them go get the fucking ten bag, dime bag, whatever
you want.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
To call it. That's a bang. Like it's like if
you're telling me not to do something, that's going to
make me want to do it more, just like a child.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Mm hmmmm.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
We're fucking big children. Okay, I'll show you, I'll show you,
I'll do it more now, you know.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Yeah, so yeah, right, So I think that's why that's
where the understanding comes in part. Right, So, I think
so many people that are first of all, people are
talking about this shit that have no business talking about
these things because they're not they have no experience. They're
just a fucking like personal trainer, like you know, like
leave it to the fucking professionals. We're not going to
diagnose people with medical issues while we were going to

(32:55):
diagnose them on the internet with eating disorders.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Can you imagine if we were in these common sections,
like say, the stuff that these people do, I mean,
that's insane.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
It is it is. I and I've talked you know,
Sarah is a is a therapist, Mel, and I've talked
with Mel about this, and it's the same thing as like, yeah,
you can't like shaming people and talking about their specific
body and things like that. That's only going to feed it,
that's only going to fuel it. It's only going to
make it worse. And so it really breaks my heart

(33:25):
to hear and see people that are good intentions, well intentioned.
I don't think anybody's coming at this from a place
of like being ill, like causing harm or being negative
in a way, but like they're they're they need to
stop because they they're not qualified to be discussing the
things they are and talking in the way that they
are and diagnosing people like oh, that's eating. Everything's a

(33:46):
fucking eating Can people say Calgari disorder?

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Right?

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Like, no, come on, let's let's be real here.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
You can't just start labeling people like that. Shit.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
The thing with mental health is everybody thinks they're a
fucking professional anymore. Thanks to chat, GBT and the internet.
Everybody's a mental health professional. Yeah, that's you know that.
We hear like, we hear that a lot with mental health,
Like people call other people narcissists and things like that
a lot. It's like, you don't know what that actually is. Yeah,
let's just fucking stop exactly.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
I don't want to bring up a point of this.
One grinds my fucking gears. Is this one that's like, oh,
the body positivity movement. As soon as they got hold of.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
At Zempe, let's talk about it.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
They don't want to fuck It's like, excuse me. Number one,
body positivity about loving your body no matter where you are, right, yes,
number two, if they had obesity, they had to accept
their body the where they are and love themselves where
they are. All of what we talk about. Now they
have access disease management medication, so they actually can get

(34:47):
fucking healthy because it gives them the level fucking playing ground. Okay, stop,
you don't make any fucking sense.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Okay, Because body positivity has been associated with obesity, right
for so long, and that's now what body body positivity
it's encouraging people to be obese. Literally, it's it's about
no longer fucking hating yourself, yes right, accepting your body
where you are right now, judgment free, and but also
then giving yourself permission to fucking change and doing it

(35:19):
for this out of loving your body.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Right and with obesity and we're unable to get to
a place where you were comfortable with because there wasn't
GLP ones And now you're like, oh my god, it
actually have something that can maybe help me do what
I've been meaning to do and I've just been struggling
for so many years, and they kind of give up,
do you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (35:41):
So yeah, and I'm really find about it particular body
Nothing pisses me off more than hearing oh so much
for body positivity.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
It's like, who cares? Let her live her fucking life.
I mean, shut the fuck up.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
We hear that with I talked about this in my
stories yesterday. Megan Trainer is a great example of that.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
She was like, so I keep hearing about her.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
I don't know she does that. She's all about that
bass about that back.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yeah, singer.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
She's a pop singer. Yeah, okay, yeah, she first blew
up probably about a decade ago, maybe more. But she's
nineteen when she wrote that song, and she was in
a larger body. You know, that song was about about
about body positivity, accepting and loving your body. Where you're
at right now now, people were like, what happened about
you know, being about that bass Meghan.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
It's like people that never change is to stay the same, right.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
She was nineteen years old when she wrote that.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Give me a fucking break, you know. Yeah, Mary and.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Has two kids now, and yeah she's skinnier now, but
you know what she's lost, she's lost weight. But you
know what else she's doing. Yeah, she's taking ozampic, but
you know she's doing she's strength training with a personal trainer,
she's seeing a dietitian, mental health professional. These are things
she's talked about, so I feel compared talking about them.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
What is recommended now, Yes, it's what we need. You
need to be taking when you take a GLP one,
you need to be having a nutrition, you need to
have you know, strength training, and you need to get
a hold of your habits and mindset. And that's what
we've been saying for a fucking ever.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Mm hmmm, mm hmm. Yeah. So Megan Trainer gets fat
shamed in a larger body. Now she's in a body
that's smaller, and now she gets skinny shamed, you know.
And I'm not here to tell what if her bodies
right or wrong. That's not for me to fucking decide,
you know. But it's just bullshit that no matter what.
And this is the I think this is the bigger

(37:35):
problem that I've been trying to convey is women especially
are society and people are always going to have things
to say about women's bodies. Society is never going to
be happy. She was overweight, she got made fun of.
She's she's skinny, she lost weight, she gets made fun of. Right,
And women have been told their entire life to be smaller,

(37:58):
or that they need to be quiet. They're too loud,
they're too much, they're not enough. Right. Yeah, it's like,
let's just stop fucking policing women, and then let's stop
policing other people's bodies period, regardless of gym, please, but
particularly for women because they're more susceptible to it. Yeah,
it's just you. You can't win. You can't win as

(38:19):
a woman. And that's what I've been hearing a lot.
I've been really I've been busy with with clients this
week and on group calls and one on one calls,
and that's been the reoccurring theme is like I'm just
tired of people telling me what to do and how
to look and what to like, what to eat, and
like I'm over it, Like I'm fifty, I'm sixty years old, right,
Like it's bullshit. I've I went to weight watchers and

(38:40):
got shamed for my weigh ins and felt like a
big ball of shit and a big asshole failure, right,
And nothing was ever good enough. I was never skinny enough, right.
And there's been periods in their life when they gained
weight and maybe that was because of a baby or
just whatever life happens. Can people gain weight? Your body
changes over time? Oh my god? Right, But then when
it does change, like people comment on it, it's just right,

(39:02):
I think that's I don't know how to change, Like
it just always feels like a losing battle.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
I just I'm with you, Matt, because we're so passionate,
and it's like I'm just like at a loss right now.
I'm like, I don't I don't even know what to do.
I what do I say? I mean, I just feel
so blown away sometimes about the ship that I'm seeing,
and I feel helpless. But at the same point, I
feel like I have a lot to say and I
have a lot to teach because I've been there. I

(39:30):
might not have been obese, but I've been overweight, and
I get it. I get the consistent Yeah, exactly. I
have bought into all of it. And I'm seeing so
many women be gas lit, and especially perimenopausal and menopausal
women about how they're broken and get this for your
fucking inflammation and do this, and and then they come
to me and they're like, no, I'm inflamed. It's like

(39:53):
it was fucking telling you that. Why I now my
perimenopausal symptoms are better because I went on this jail
p one, right, and lost fifteen pounds I should say,
not fifty fifteen, because we're talking about a different demographic. Yeah,
And it's like, well, because you lost weight, it's not
the mad she help me one. It was the fact

(40:15):
that when you actually take care of your health and
lose some fat, your ParaMed apostle symptoms get better. And
that's what we fucking talk about all the time.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Mm hmm okay, Like, yeah, agreed, I had it before.
This conversation is really fresh because we just talked about
a half hour before we started recording. As ah huh.
My client Amory, she she said, Matt, like, what even
is inflammation? When people are talking about inflamation online? Like,
what is it? What do they what is that even mean?
I'm like, well, they're completely completely fucking wrong, Like the

(40:44):
you know this now, the inflammation they're talking about isn't
true inflammation. If you want to see true inflammation, I'll
show you my girlfriend when she's having a flare up
right where you can go and see tennis ball size
of inflammation in her body right right the way it's
being marketed online. It's belly fat, it's water retention, it's
bloating because you're eating like an asshole.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
You didn't just lose twenty pounds of inflammation, and this
is what I'm hearing. I lost fifteen. You lost body
fat and probably some water, maybe muscle if you weren't
focusing on strength training and protein. Like, well, let's stop
calling this shit inflammation because you don't know what the
fuck it is at all.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
It's a mark, it's a it's just an awesome buzzword
that's gonna make a lot of money for people that
are using it.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Every time I ask what's inflamed? They literally can't even
explain it.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
That is how we combat that when right, like when
somebody says inflammation, how right? What? What? What's inflamed? What's
causing the inflammation?

Speaker 1 (41:36):
How I'm not cuffy anymore, Matt, Well, because you lost
fifteen pounds. It's called body fat.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
You lost because you're no longer eating four thousand milligrams
of sodium a day.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
And and you're not drinking fucking a gallon of wine tonight. Right, Yes,
alcohol will inflame the fuck out of you.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, absolutely it will. Well, that's that's a true inflammation, right.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
I call it the bell belvidere bloat.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
The belvet your bloat.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah, the paps puff, Yeah, the PBR.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Puff marketing is it's yeah, So we need like where
do we get what do we need? I don't know,
is a society we needed to.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
We need regulation with JLP one medications. A. Yes, I
think we really need to hone in on the crazy
MLM shit that's going on that shouldn't be. I think
that's a really big place to start. And getting more
regular the fucking MLM GLP one medications, Okay, and companies,

(42:36):
that's what needs to happen. That's a big one. Not
everyone should have access to this right. There should be screening,
There should be You should not be able to get
it delivered to your front door by clicking a fucking
button and be like paid. No one looks. No one's
telling you how to inject it, no one's telling you
when you might need to tightrate or get off of it,

(42:56):
or whatever the case. You need to be monitored.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
I agree, and I will say this from my own
personal experience with Sarah. She does take a GLP one right,
and she has recently switched companies. I won't name any companies.
I will She was with Hymns and hers first with
it right, and I've got my own qualms with them,
so I've been very I was very invested into like

(43:20):
how it all worked for her. She adocted with doctors,
she never got checkups, she never she never received guidance.
But she did recently switch to a newer company and
I'm sorry, I don't know the name it doesn't matter.
But now she is receiving good guidance, and.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
That's that's what needs to happen, the guidance.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Doctor and everything.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yes, like you're having people that are like, get this
stuff in the mail. They're asking other people how to
inject it, how do I do this?

Speaker 2 (43:45):
How do I come off of it? Or what?

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Like?

Speaker 2 (43:47):
How do I like, why don't you talk with your
your your care Why don't get a care team with
the telehealth company? Oh, that's why you need a care team.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yeah, I don't think you're able to realize, like you're
sucking around and finding out right now.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
We are in that find out stage, or we're about
to find out. I think when this is the thing
with skinny talk, right, and this obsession with being so
skinny that the new heroin chick cheek Faces all is
back again, right we I think we would all agree
with that.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Unfortunately, people aren't going to realize how fucked up it
was till a decade from now, two decades from now,
when everybody's fucking frail and decrepit.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Bump their arm in the wallet breaks right, Yes, no joke.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
I agree. Hmm. So it also starts with like talking
like I keep and this is a very common comment
I've been hearing or having a conversation I've been having
in comments and dms with people. It's like, what do
we do about our children? Right, It's like talk to
your children? Yeah, create an environment for your children. Like

(44:56):
that's not full proof, right, but it starts at home.
Create the environment for with you, for your children where
you know you have a fostered a healthy relationship with food,
exercise in your body, where mom's not dieting right, where
mom is going to the gym and building muscle and
getting stronger. Like, the best way to stop this, in

(45:17):
my opinion, is for us to do it ourselves as people.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah, the parent is the first influence. Yeah, you're the
biggest influence, to be honest. So if we're talking, what.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Am I supposed to do about my daughter? Like be
a fucking parent? I'm sorry for that, fucked up and rude. Well,
oh my god. You can't expect society to raise your
children and to tell your children what's right or wrong,
good or bad, and how to do shit. We can't
rely on the government. We can't.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Really, society is always going to be fucked up in
some kind of a way, none, None of this is perfect. So,
like you said, Matt, it all starts in the home.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Yeah. And if your shit's fucked up, you better get
your ship handled.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Because I mean, this is you said this earlier. It's generational,
you know. Yeah, I work with so many clients that
are fifty or sixty years old now that they went
to their mom, They went with their mom to wait
watchers meetings when.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
They were Yeah, you know, that's so crazy.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
And then then that those women then when they got
to be twenty or thirty, guess what that was like
the nineties when Heroin Chick was hitting right, like, yeah,
the Kate Moss era and everything. Well, yeah, of course
they they they fell for that shit because that's what
was exposed to them as a young child.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Right.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
So, if you're worried about what your children are seeing
on social media, what people are doing on social fucking
regulate your phone for your children. Your ten year old
does not need to have a cell phone with full
access to TikTok, YouTube and Instagram.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
I'm sorry, that's crazy. Yeah, And if you're worried about
people in a specific movie, don't take your child to
that specific movie. You don't need to have weird conversations
with them about anything. Just don't fucking take them to
the thing.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
People are having some really weird conversations.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
About with parents. Do that shit though, Matt, the weird
shit to their kids about food. It's I hate to
say this, that I am, but it's usually the parents
that fuck their child up the mouse without it being
anything to do with the outside world.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
No, I agree, because.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Hey, why are you over fucking thinking some movie and
going into the weird fucking rant to your child about
people's bodies? And it's like, don't take them to the
fucking movie if you're worried about it. Okay, that's that's
a number one to say, hey, we're not going to
that movie. You're the parent. It's Oart fucking crying. Who cares,
I'm here, But if you're that fucking worried, don't take them.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Wicked the movie has I think, if you can get
disconnect from how you feel about people's bodies, it actually
has some really good fucking messages in that movie. You know,
about acceptance and and things like that. If that's the
takeaway that you're getting from it, like that's like you're
you're part of the problem in my opinion, that's that's

(47:57):
that's that's my stance.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
If you see me, not my type of movie, So.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah, I I personally I I I haven't seen the
new one, but I watched Wicked for the first time
a couple of months ago with Sarah. It was my
first time watching.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Is it like a musical?

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah, it's a musical. Wizard of No.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Thanks, I'm done.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Essentially, I hate musicals, do you it's it's a musical.
It's like a Broadway performance on in movie forms.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
I'd rather go in person, but yeah, yeah, totally. I
don't want to hear you fucking sing on on camera. Yes,
I want to go to a concert. I don't need
to hear fucking ship.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Yeah. That doesn't surprise me that that's not your vibe.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
It's not. It'd be like it'd be like watching it.
I'm not into Disney movies.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Yeah, no, not your thing. Yeah, it's not my thing.
So yeah, I think too. Nerdle is as a fitness
uh industry a lot of this responsibility. If we want
to see change, it starts with us. I think it
really does start with us as well, not necessarily you
and me, just ever as a general fitness is we

(49:02):
need to check ourselves and the things that we're doing
and showing people too. I can't tell you, like, if
I opened up my Instagram feed right now, how many
videos would would I get hit with? Where the opening
is being a body check somebody in a half naked.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Every single one, or underwear or.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Popping their abs or showing us their fucking asshole on
the internet, right like, So it starts there. If you're
truly concerned about mental health, diet culture, disordered eating, eating disorders,
check yourself, check what we're doing. And I'm not saying
I'm perfect. I'm sure I do things that could be

(49:40):
construed as disordered or fucked up. I don't know. I
feel like I've done a really good job and done
a lot of work on my own relationship with food,
exercise in my body. Yeah, do things, but we can't
be sitting here and as a fitness industry altogether. This
is what really grinds my gears is I think you
mentioned this already, is in this this is definitely I

(50:00):
fell trapped to this when I first started my fitness
journey more than a decade ago. And I've talked about
this before. Is bodybuilding, right, Like, we can't glamorize bodybuilders,
but then also get upset when society is doing the
same fucking thing that the bodybuilders are doing. Bodybuilders get glamorized, worship,

(50:22):
we praise them.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
I don't that's the body everyone's going for. Apparently that's
when they say they want to look toned. That's what
they want, that's what they're looking at. But then they
have this warped sense of what toned really is, and
that is being shredded right right. I mean, that's.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
It's okay for bodybuilders to look this way, but some
people in a movie like That's that's where you draw
the line when they have the same exact body type.
I'm like, I'm not going to sit here and just
listen to this bullshit.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Except like bodybuilders go back into maintenance. They reverse that
to maintenance, most of them. But you're not supposed to
live in that body. That's why it's a it's a
momentarily thing, moment, it's an in the moment thing, and
it it's that's it. That's what it's supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
I think that he is a part of the conversation
bodies change, m H, body change I mean, look at
from from Wicked Cynthia. Cynthia Rivo, Right, her body's changed
a lot over the years, but she's also like, she's
a fucking athlete. You know, my body changes too, It's
changed a lot over the years.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
I mean, have you seen people that run marathons that
are extremely uh marathon runner look like like, I don't
want to say extremely thin, but they have runner bodies.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
I mean they're thing a marathon runners that have their
shoulders and are they promoting eating disorders? No, they're athletes.

Speaker 1 (51:35):
They're fucking athletes. They probably eat more than you do, right.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
I said that sized video yesterday. Cynthia Rivo. First of all,
she ran a three thirty five marathon.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
How old is she?

Speaker 2 (51:48):
I think she's in her early thirties.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Yeah, that's fucking really fast, you guys, for American woman.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Okay, and she did that while doing eight Broadway shows
a week, and she really Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
You're a runner, you're doing eight do you know? Does
anyone know what it takes to be a Broadway But like,
I know, my brother's been in Broadway, his boyfriend has
been in Broadway. They work fucking hard. Do you even
know what eight shows a week. Look like if you're
not in it, you don't know, Like that's consistent movement
all around the you know, is like you're you're on right,

(52:23):
that's that's maybe two hour two shows.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
A night, right, Yeah exactly. She she ran a half
marathon and then did two shows later that day.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Right, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
It's like you don't she probably I don't know what
her caloric energy needs would be. It would be me,
I need to eat four thousand calories a day just
to make sure I don't lose weight.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
It's probably hard for her to keep up with that
calories that she needs. Like, this is the fone's really
fucking thinking about m Right.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
These are the things that are not being talked about.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
They're just I think about them because we're we know.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
We know exactly, But to the general public that all
the people are talking negative at these things online, you
don't understand what it actually takes to do the things
that these people are doing. Like, yeah, her body changed, Okay,
well look what she's been doing recently, right, Like, yeah,
this is probably just a season of life for her.
I don't want to talk about Ariana because people get

(53:16):
rabid about Ariana that's a whole job. Yeah, But like
I really, what really upsets me is people talking about
Cynthia f I'm being completely honest because she I don't know,
I can't. I don't know her personally, but just knowing
what she's like her. She's an athlete, she does cross
that she does, she's a peloton or she she runs marathons,
half marathons, you know, and on top of being a

(53:41):
Broadway performer. And I don't think people realize the level
of fitness you need, the conditioning you need, and food
that you need in order to be able to do
those types of things. Right at the end of the day,
You're not gonna run a three thirty five marathon while
not nourishing your body.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
That's gonna say. If if you were not fueled, you
would not be able to run a three You would
fucking crash out at my API.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Like you could, Yes, you would. That would literally be dangerous,
right m hm mm hmmm. So that's like, y'all just
don't just people are talking out of this from from
a place of ignorance mm hmmm a lot of the time, always,
and I hate it. I hate it.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Someone told me today one of my comments, It's like,
you know, you should just let things go, Beth. You
need to look at uh the tenth uh step. You
need to practice the tenth step again. And I was like,
you know what, Bob, You're don't fuck with my sobriety,
because if I wasn't sober, I wouldn't fucking be here

(54:46):
calling this shit out. In fact, I would be a
people pleaser and I would just let everything just go
by and be like, who cares? Not my it's not
my deal. Why do I care? No? Because I should
say something because we work with people in this demographic
and I'm this demographic that constantly gets targeted, and why
should we be quiet about that?

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yet's like, fuck you, Yeah, I'm hearing that a lot too,
especially on Facebook right now. It's like, why do you care?
You're a man, Like, what do you know about menopausal women?
It's like I care greatly. Actually, I cared tremendous. Fuck.
I've lost sleep, Beth. This week. I've lost sleep stressing
and worrying and thinking about this shit. That's how much
I fucking care. I'm I'm here you what was it?

(55:31):
Tuesday to Monday night? I stayed at Sarah's and I
had to go out on the couch because I was
just restless. I couldn't sleep. I kind of cleared my head.
I was thinking about all of these things and just
my fucking heart, like my heart breaks like at the
end of the day, and here's here's me just trying
to help people. And people are like, oh, you're what
do you know about menopause? You're a man? Like it

(55:51):
helps thousands of women. My clientele are women at menopausal women,
And I know quite a bit, right.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
And if you didn't care, you wouldn't be a good coach.
And I don't think people understand the fact that we've
been doing this for a very long time, and you
know how exhausting it is when you know like what
it takes to do what everyone wants to do, and
you just know more than the most people, and that
we're consistently in this backward spiral. We think we're getting
two steps ahead and we're now we're fucking five steps back.

(56:23):
And it's like this constant back and forth, and it's
draining for us who just really want people to get
the boring fucking basics and the fact that everybody launts
a disco ball shining in their fucking face all the time.
Is frustrating as all ghetto.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Was that last thing you said, frustrating?

Speaker 1 (56:45):
It is all ghetto, Get up, whatever the fun that
ghetto I said, frustrate It is all ghetto.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
It's very it's very frustrating.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Yeah, you know, it's like, damn it. I started to
question what am I doing? I why not even here?

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Fortunate because just as of a couple of years ago,
I thought we were making such so many.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Great for reals, Matt, that's great.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
With this shit. We really were.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Yeah, yeah, we're back in and it's a fucking shit storm,
and I know.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
This is just how it goes. It's gonna it'll get
better and then it'll get worse. This is just how
it fucking goes. Unfortunately. Yeah, yeah, we were making great
strides there. I would say two thousand. Like I think
with the COVID lockdown, the pandemic, I think that's when
we started making really great strides again because so many
at home and stuck with themselves, right, Okay, well fuck,

(57:38):
I gotta work on myself now because I don't like
being stuck at home feeling this way essentially.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
And trust me, you guys, it's we're almost a twenty
twenty six You cannot use twenty twenty COVID weight anymore
as your excuse.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Yeah, that was twenty one. You could have done that.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Yeah, even maybe twenty twenty two, but twenty twenty six. Okay,
that's get that out of your mind. COVID's gone saying.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
It's a babyweight when you're kids.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
In high school.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Yeah, yeah, I'll probably get well, how dare you say
that you're a man?

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Oh? God.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
One of my clients Don shout out to Don. She's
she This woman was like, what do you know? Like,
you're you're a man? I suggest you consult a coach
or a doctor that knows menopausals.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Oh. I saw that. I saw her comments. She's like,
in fact, I lost this amount of weight working with me.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
I lost seventy five pounds in three years. Yeah, and
with mindfully eating a calorie deficit following Matt's programs. And
I'm minopousal, I have PCOS and i am insulin resistance
and I just love that was what Mike Drop was like,
thanks right, I don't ask my clients to do that,
but the fact that she did it, Yeah, it's awesome.
It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Yeah, yeah, I care, man, Like, what's up?

Speaker 1 (58:49):
I know? Mm hmmm. We're passionate you guys.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Well, and to be fair, like the way I show
that I care, Like especially on Facebook, it's aggressive, right,
like my mess like my client yesterday, one of my
clients air and she's like, well, Matt, you are kind
of rage baiting people. I'm like, I like, I guess like,
I don't see it as rage bating because like when
I make these like good morning to everyone posts like me,
I'm doing like having lighthearted humor. But if they do

(59:14):
upset people, I get that. But at the same time,
people are going to hear that that need to hear it.
So you can either get triggered or you can accept it, right.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Right, So your triggers aren't my responsibility? Correct? Correct? You know?

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Yep? Yep, it's a one.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Yeah, I'm gonna have to head soon to be honest.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
No, I'm like, oh my god, it's two one.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Could I go to a riker from school?

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Yeah, what a good conversation today, Matt.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
I agree. I was really looking forward to it.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Yeah, me too. Would you didn't have to even tell me.
I knew You're like, what are we going to talk
about today, and like, I think we already know.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Yeah, I knew too. I was like, I'm just gonna
text her because that's what I do on Wednesday mornings.
But yeah, what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Today, we already know mat We've been talking.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
In our own certain.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Ways, so right right, Like, yeah, that's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
End of the day. People, health doesn't have a look.
Do things for yourself. Stop listening to what other people
are saying about how your body should look, perform, feel,
Do what's best for you and what feels right. We
you know what feels right and what feels best right,
people know, people know you know? Yeah, right, cool, all right,

(01:00:27):
real quick, we just released new workouts in the Patreon.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
New workouts, new monthly challenge, Self care challenge you guys,
perfect timing ten minutes a day.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Hey, in this day, everybody can.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Self care is self preservation. It is, and also it
should be nourishing and not numbing, and it's not all
about nails and hair like right, Like, self care could
be uncluttering your desk. It could be making sure that
you email prep. It could be making sure you get
your steps in, so step out of the side, step
outside of the box and do things that you know

(01:01:00):
that will benefit you more than just a day at
the fucking SPA.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Self care might be going to the gym. It might
be yeah to me instead of going to McDonald's. Right,
like m, it's so many different ways. Maybe we should
do all sometime soon about maybe next week. We don't
do ship like that around.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
We are living by the sanru pants these days, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
And also, uh Cure just ran the really big sale.
We had a lot of awesome people participating in that.
I think, how are you? How are you enjoying the
dream gummies? Have you been keeping eye?

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Actually actually loved them?

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Yeah, came around to them. At first you were like,
I didn't know it was only like one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
I think that was the progesterone because I just started
taking that and I think that was more of that
than the dream because now like it's not like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
So here's what I love about you, Nerdle is you
you tried it and you're like, you know what I
don't know, and that you just being honest if yeah, right,
you weren't just trying to sell something there. You're like, now, yeah,
I don't know if I if I liked it or not.
I gave it, you gave it another chance, and now
you're like, I actually do. I love it?

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
But I do, and I take it every night. I
take my Serenity got me in the afternoon like this
right now, I'm consistently taking it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Now shows character. Good job, That's what I'm about, Matt. Absolutely,
I'm not gonna bullshit you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
And to say taking like even when I list out
the things that I take from Cured, I don't list
out the flow anymore because I don't take that currently.
I list my dream and my Serenity and the CBD
save because I do the sour the ghosts, and I
don't know about mixing the Flow and the ghosts. Never
tried it, but yeah, I like my ghosts.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Yeah right, and now you know I'm more so with
the with the flow and the yeah CBD sab too.
We both love this set and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
That works for you, right, something for everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
I haven't taken dream too, No, not every night. I
should have tried. I didn't have it with me. Actually
the other night when I couldn't sleep, I know if
that would have helped me mind. My mind was just
a anxious, stressed mess.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Yeah. Sometimes that's the mind is not easy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Yeah, absolutely cool. Great talk, great talk, awesome talk, I think,
powerful talk. Let us know everybody, what you what you thought,
what your what your feedback is. We want to hear
from you. Let us know if you're struggling with something,
please like, that's the thing if you do struggle with
these And I'm gonna, I think, because we talked so
heavily about eating disorders, I'm gonna put a disclaimer at
the beginning of this episode, but and then also put

(01:03:30):
some resources for eating disorder help in the comments or
the show notes. And if anybody out there is struggling
with that, reach out and we can get you some resources.
We can't help you specifically, but we can put you
in the right direction of the National Eating Disorder Hotline.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
You know, no eating disorder dieticians.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Refer you to somebody like you don't have to struggle alone. Okay, yes, absolutely,
we care about you, We love you, and we want
you to be happy, healthy and thriving. Exactly awesome, All right, nerdle,
great talk, Bye bye.

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