October 11, 2024 • 7 mins
Today : E041-2024 Cyberium Podcast - Generative AI and Attorney-Client - Privilege by Antonio ROSSI
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In each episode, we dive into articles published on technocratico.it by Raffaele Di Marzio or explore his reflections brought to life through AI analysis and techniques, powered by Gemini Pro, which present in-depth discussions in English, explaining the topics in a simple and concise manner. Our mission is to reveal, in a straightforward yet precise way, how technology influences every aspect of our personal and professional lives. Whether you're a tech industry professional seeking expert insights or a curious listener wanting to understand how digital security impacts your daily life, Cyberium is your gateway to comprehending the holistic influence of technology, offering a unique perspective thanks to the integration of cutting-edge AI analysis.
Today, we'll be exploring a cutting-edge topic in the Generative AI and Attorney-Client : Privilege
To guide us through this analysis, we'll be relying on the insights of Antonio Rossi
Tune in to gain valuable perspectives and stay ahead in the rapidly evolving tech landscape.
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Content Creator Direction : Raffaele DI MARZIO https://www.linkedin.com/in/raffaeledimarzio/
Content Creator : Antonio Rossi https://www.linkedin.com/in/antoniorossi/
For inquiries, you can reach us at podcast@cyberium.media
ENGLISH PODCASTS : https://technocratico.it/cyberium-podcast/
In each episode, we dive into articles published on technocratico.it by Raffaele Di Marzio or explore his reflections brought to life through AI analysis and techniques, powered by Gemini Pro, which present in-depth discussions in English, explaining the topics in a simple and concise manner. Our mission is to reveal, in a straightforward yet precise way, how technology influences every aspect of our personal and professional lives. Whether you're a tech industry professional seeking expert insights or a curious listener wanting to understand how digital security impacts your daily life, Cyberium is your gateway to comprehending the holistic influence of technology, offering a unique perspective thanks to the integration of cutting-edge AI analysis.
Today, we'll be exploring a cutting-edge topic in the Generative AI and Attorney-Client : Privilege
To guide us through this analysis, we'll be relying on the insights of Antonio Rossi
Tune in to gain valuable perspectives and stay ahead in the rapidly evolving tech landscape.
All reproductions rights are reserved by Cyberium Media Miami Productions and Technocratico.it
Content Creator Direction : Raffaele DI MARZIO https://www.linkedin.com/in/raffaeledimarzio/
Content Creator : Antonio Rossi https://www.linkedin.com/in/antoniorossi/
For inquiries, you can reach us at podcast@cyberium.media
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Siberian. Here, technology and cybersecurity are made simple
for everyone. Whether you're a tech geek or just curious
about the digital world, we've got you covered. Each episode
we dive into the latest topics from technocratico, dot it
and break them down so you can stay informed and protected.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
This is a.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Siberian Media Miami production. Let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
The scaber gulsis flame, make us a blood bad fame,
to love it, to fuck its holess, see usselves and
remember this.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
In this episode, we analyze another topic proposed by Antonio Rossi.
Antonio is a senior expert and frequently speaks at various
conferences focusing on information and communication technology and blockchain environments.
His experience today guides us in exploring generative AI and
attorney client privilege, offering a unique perspective. Let's begin this
(01:10):
stimulating discussion.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
All right, So picture of this.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Okay, You're in a really important meeting, maybe like a
salary negotiation, and you let something slip, something confidential, but
it's just a video call, right right, so.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
You don't think anything of it. Then bam, a week later,
it's all over the news.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Oh wow, and it.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
All traces back to your call.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Talk about a nightmare.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, and that's a perfect illustration of why attorney client
confidentiality is such a big deal.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Exactly.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
It's not just you know, legal mumbo jumbo. It's about trust, security,
the whole.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Shebang, exactly, the foundation of the relationship.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So that's our deep dive today.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
How's AI like video conferencing chat GPT all about? How
does that impact these conversations we think are like locked down?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah, and we've got I had some pretty compelling cases
to show just how important this is. Cases like what
we'll take Mark Dreyer for example.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Oh yeah, that guy, wasn't he like live in the dream?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
On the surface, absolutely top lawyer, raking.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
In millions, but there's always a bud.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Oh there's a huge butt behind all that. He was
running a massive Ponzi scheme, no way, Oh yeah, and
violating attorney client privilege was a key part of it.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
Seriously, how so well he basically treated his client's information
like it was his own personal ATM, you know, used
it to get loans, kept the whole scheme going.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And what happened, I mean, besides the obvious like not.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Being able to sleep at night, Oh, it all came
crashing down, of course, just barred prison, his clients lost
a fortune. It's a stark reminder that this isn't just
about legal theory. It's about real people getting hurt totally.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Okay, so that's one. What other case comes to mind?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Well, there's also Steven Yagman, another attorney who uh, let's
just say, didn't prioritize ethics.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Okay, what do you do?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Acts, evasion, bankruptcy, fraud, the whole nine yards.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Wow, And attorney client privilege was that involved too?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
You bet? Yagman treated client funds like his own personal piggybank.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
No way again.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Oh yeah, and mishandled confidential information left and right. Yeah,
the guy was a walking ethics violation.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
And what was the damage?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Three years in federal prison. It really hammered home the
point that the legal system takes these breaches super seriously.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, three years is no joke. But here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
These cases they're from before, like the whole AI boom, right,
It's kind of like we've all been there right on
a video call and you realize, oh, shoot, I forgot
to change on my pajamas, or.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
That pilot laundry is still in the background exactly.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
But what if the real risk isn't you know, a
fashion faux pa, but something much bigger. What if it's
about how these platforms are like secretly recording and analyzing
our every word.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Right, it's easy to forget, especially with how integrated these
tools are. Zoom Teams, Google, Meet, we use them all
the time, all.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
The time, and we never really stop to think, Hey,
where's all this data going.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
It's become so commonplace, hasn't it totally?
Speaker 5 (04:07):
And the stuff you shared about this data collection, it's
kind of creepy, not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
It's almost like it's become so normal we don't even
realize it's happening anymore.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Right, Like, I get it Amazon knowing I have a
thing for like those weird novelty socks. Okay, fine, But
when we're talking about sensitive conversations, legal strategy, that kind
of stuff, that's different exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
That's where it crosses the line.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Good time. So how does AI plane to.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
All of this, well, all that data we would just
talking about transcripts, summaries, even things like pauses and tone
of voice. It's gold for AI training.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Wait, so you're telling me our private conversations are basically
fuel for the AI engine.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
In a way. Yes. And the crazier part is these
systems are getting more sophisticated every day.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
And it's not just like zoom calls and stuff. Right,
We've got AI writing our emails.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Now emails contracts. I even saw one that writes poetry.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Poetry.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
See that's what gets It's also like futuristic and amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It really is incredible, but also a little you know, scary.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well, yeah, there's definitely a double edged sword there, especially
when it comes to.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Confidentiality exactly and the document mentions chat GPT of course,
but then also like Google has barred right yep, and
Microsoft copower and even grammarily which like who doesn't use grammarly.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Right, it makes you wonder where does it all go?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Like all that data we're pouring into these things.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
That's the million dollar question, and honestly it's not always clear,
even with your privacy policies and all that, right.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Right, So let's say, just as an example, I'm using
grammarly to I don't know proof free to confidential document
mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
See where you're going with this?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Do my edits, like my specific word choices? Do those
get fed back into the system.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
It's possible, and then those edits could end up influencing
the suggestions it makes for someone else down the line,
potentially even on a similar case. Who knows.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Okay, So then what's the solution.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Are we all supposed to just like through our computers
out the window and go off the grid.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
It's not about abandoning technology altogether, but about being smart
and informed users.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Okay, so how do we do that? What are some
practical tips?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Well, for starters, know your data right before you use
any AI tool. Take a minute to really read their
privacy policy.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Oh those things nobody reads.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I know, I know, but it really is important. Figure
out what data they're collecting, how it's being stored, what
they're doing with.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
It, good advice, anything else.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
And then transparency is key. If you're an attorney using
these tools, your clients need to know what's up. Get
their consent before sharing anything confidential.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Makes sense, Informed consent the whole nine.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yards exactly, and a don't forget there are always alternatives
out there, alternatives like what well, for communication, you've got
signal wire gits meet those are all known for being
more secure.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Okay, good to know, and are there AI tools specifically
designed for legal work that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Absolutely, Some companies are developing a specifically for legal professionals
with confidentiality baked right in.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Okay, that's reassuring. It's not all doom and gloom.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Then not at all. You just have to be mindful
and make informed choices.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Well said, so to our listeners out there, here's the takeaway.
The next time you hop on zoom, use grammarly, whatever
it is, just take a second. Where's your data going?
Are you cool with that? It's a brave new world
out there, folks? But knowledge is power, and until next time, stay.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Curious, soundstatic longways full of salts?
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Who are you going to cross?
Speaker 6 (07:39):
All reproduction rights are reserved by Siberia Media, Miami Production
and technocratico dot it.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
For inquiries, you can reach us at podcast at Siberium
dot media.
Welcome to Siberian. Here, technology and cybersecurity are made simple
for everyone. Whether you're a tech geek or just curious
about the digital world, we've got you covered. Each episode
we dive into the latest topics from technocratico, dot it
and break them down so you can stay informed and protected.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
This is a.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Siberian Media Miami production. Let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
The scaber gulsis flame, make us a blood bad fame,
to love it, to fuck its holess, see usselves and
remember this.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
In this episode, we analyze another topic proposed by Antonio Rossi.
Antonio is a senior expert and frequently speaks at various
conferences focusing on information and communication technology and blockchain environments.
His experience today guides us in exploring generative AI and
attorney client privilege, offering a unique perspective. Let's begin this
(01:10):
stimulating discussion.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
All right, So picture of this.
Speaker 5 (01:16):
Okay, You're in a really important meeting, maybe like a
salary negotiation, and you let something slip, something confidential, but
it's just a video call, right right, so.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
You don't think anything of it. Then bam, a week later,
it's all over the news.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Oh wow, and it.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
All traces back to your call.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Talk about a nightmare.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, and that's a perfect illustration of why attorney client
confidentiality is such a big deal.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Exactly.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
It's not just you know, legal mumbo jumbo. It's about trust, security,
the whole.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Shebang, exactly, the foundation of the relationship.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So that's our deep dive today.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
How's AI like video conferencing chat GPT all about? How
does that impact these conversations we think are like locked down?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah, and we've got I had some pretty compelling cases
to show just how important this is. Cases like what
we'll take Mark Dreyer for example.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Oh yeah, that guy, wasn't he like live in the dream?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
On the surface, absolutely top lawyer, raking.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
In millions, but there's always a bud.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Oh there's a huge butt behind all that. He was
running a massive Ponzi scheme, no way, Oh yeah, and
violating attorney client privilege was a key part of it.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
Seriously, how so well he basically treated his client's information
like it was his own personal ATM, you know, used
it to get loans, kept the whole scheme going.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
And what happened, I mean, besides the obvious like not.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Being able to sleep at night, Oh, it all came
crashing down, of course, just barred prison, his clients lost
a fortune. It's a stark reminder that this isn't just
about legal theory. It's about real people getting hurt totally.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Okay, so that's one. What other case comes to mind?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Well, there's also Steven Yagman, another attorney who uh, let's
just say, didn't prioritize ethics.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Okay, what do you do?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Acts, evasion, bankruptcy, fraud, the whole nine yards.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Wow, And attorney client privilege was that involved too?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
You bet? Yagman treated client funds like his own personal piggybank.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
No way again.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Oh yeah, and mishandled confidential information left and right. Yeah,
the guy was a walking ethics violation.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
And what was the damage?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
Three years in federal prison. It really hammered home the
point that the legal system takes these breaches super seriously.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, three years is no joke. But here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
These cases they're from before, like the whole AI boom, right,
It's kind of like we've all been there right on
a video call and you realize, oh, shoot, I forgot
to change on my pajamas, or.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
That pilot laundry is still in the background exactly.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
But what if the real risk isn't you know, a
fashion faux pa, but something much bigger. What if it's
about how these platforms are like secretly recording and analyzing
our every word.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Right, it's easy to forget, especially with how integrated these
tools are. Zoom Teams, Google, Meet, we use them all
the time, all.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
The time, and we never really stop to think, Hey,
where's all this data going.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
It's become so commonplace, hasn't it totally?
Speaker 5 (04:07):
And the stuff you shared about this data collection, it's
kind of creepy, not gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
It's almost like it's become so normal we don't even
realize it's happening anymore.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Right, Like, I get it Amazon knowing I have a
thing for like those weird novelty socks. Okay, fine, But
when we're talking about sensitive conversations, legal strategy, that kind
of stuff, that's different exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
That's where it crosses the line.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Good time. So how does AI plane to.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
All of this, well, all that data we would just
talking about transcripts, summaries, even things like pauses and tone
of voice. It's gold for AI training.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
Wait, so you're telling me our private conversations are basically
fuel for the AI engine.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
In a way. Yes. And the crazier part is these
systems are getting more sophisticated every day.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
And it's not just like zoom calls and stuff. Right,
We've got AI writing our emails.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Now emails contracts. I even saw one that writes poetry.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Poetry.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
See that's what gets It's also like futuristic and amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It really is incredible, but also a little you know, scary.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well, yeah, there's definitely a double edged sword there, especially
when it comes to.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Confidentiality exactly and the document mentions chat GPT of course,
but then also like Google has barred right yep, and
Microsoft copower and even grammarily which like who doesn't use grammarly.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Right, it makes you wonder where does it all go?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Like all that data we're pouring into these things.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
That's the million dollar question, and honestly it's not always clear,
even with your privacy policies and all that, right.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Right, So let's say, just as an example, I'm using
grammarly to I don't know proof free to confidential document
mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
See where you're going with this?
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Do my edits, like my specific word choices? Do those
get fed back into the system.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
It's possible, and then those edits could end up influencing
the suggestions it makes for someone else down the line,
potentially even on a similar case. Who knows.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Okay, So then what's the solution.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
Are we all supposed to just like through our computers
out the window and go off the grid.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
It's not about abandoning technology altogether, but about being smart
and informed users.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Okay, so how do we do that? What are some
practical tips?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Well, for starters, know your data right before you use
any AI tool. Take a minute to really read their
privacy policy.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Oh those things nobody reads.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I know, I know, but it really is important. Figure
out what data they're collecting, how it's being stored, what
they're doing with.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
It, good advice, anything else.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
And then transparency is key. If you're an attorney using
these tools, your clients need to know what's up. Get
their consent before sharing anything confidential.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Makes sense, Informed consent the whole nine.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Yards exactly, and a don't forget there are always alternatives
out there, alternatives like what well, for communication, you've got
signal wire gits meet those are all known for being
more secure.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Okay, good to know, and are there AI tools specifically
designed for legal work that kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Absolutely, Some companies are developing a specifically for legal professionals
with confidentiality baked right in.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Okay, that's reassuring. It's not all doom and gloom.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Then not at all. You just have to be mindful
and make informed choices.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Well said, so to our listeners out there, here's the takeaway.
The next time you hop on zoom, use grammarly, whatever
it is, just take a second. Where's your data going?
Are you cool with that? It's a brave new world
out there, folks? But knowledge is power, and until next time, stay.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Curious, soundstatic longways full of salts?
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Who are you going to cross?
Speaker 6 (07:39):
All reproduction rights are reserved by Siberia Media, Miami Production
and technocratico dot it.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
For inquiries, you can reach us at podcast at Siberium
dot media.
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