November 7, 2025 • 27 mins
Dad introduces Talissa to Archie Bunker
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Is this a good episode to be doing right now?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I love uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
I'm very uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
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us in the comments at daughterpod dot com.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Today you get to meet, virtually meet somebody that I've
told you about several times. What not like a real person,
but like a person. You're gonna get to see them
in action. A name. Every time I say this name
to you, you create the person in your head that
you think it is. And we've had probably two or
three conversations about it, and today it finally, you finally
(00:46):
get to walk away with a full understanding of Archie Bunker.
Are you ready?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
You have never seen this is?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
This is what television was like when I.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Was a kid.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
And you're gonna get to see Archie Bunker. And I'm
curious with your gen Z brain how you're gonna interpret
some of the things that he says. And you may
understand why gen X seems a little rough and not
offended by things. Okay, So in this first clip, as
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you're meeting Archie Bunker, okay, you get to hear what
he believes makes America great.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Hmmm, let's go.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
An American history lesson you don't know nothing about Lady
Liberty standing there in a hop with a torch on high,
screaming out the wall on NIE's in a while, send
me your poor, your dead beach. You're filthy and all
the nice set them in here. I'm smalling in like
cans your Spanish, pag, your jock, you're chinaman, jack crouching
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your age, and they're all free to live in their
own separate sections. And then brush your head if you
go in there.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
That's what great, buddy, How do you feel about Archie?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Average old white man? Sounds like what that is? He
doesn't feel real? Is he he's a character or he's
just a guy.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
He's a character?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Okay? Are those his real views? Okay, so he's being
funny on purpose?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah yeah, well he's he's playing a stereotype of an
old East Coast why white guy.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah yeah, yeah, well he's doing it well.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
The actual actor himself is super smart, was pretty liberal. Yeah,
really really good actor. But yeah, the idea here is
to show you, like this stuff that they said. You
probably couldn't even understand a lot of what he said.
A lot of his racial slurs you've probably never even
heard before. But He said things that were probably gonna
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have to bleep out when we put this on TikTok just.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Now, yeah, oh man, that I don't know if I
heard a lot of it, because he there's some of
it that sounded so fifties sixties.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Okay, this was seventies.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
How he was talking away, this sounds like like a
whole accent from a long time ago type of thing.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well, let's let's keep it going. The next one is
his racial ranking system.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Is this a good episode to be doing right now?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Uncomfortable?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I'm very uncomfortable. Actually, the astrode isn't thinking at all?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Are you?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
And Henry?
Speaker 6 (03:55):
You're trying to find somebody else to buy the hop you.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Don't call that crooked? No walking off on number one?
Where does that place? Henry Jefferson? It was number two?
See number two, because me, there can only be one
number one and one number two. I life made Jefferson
number two long before I come along. I suppose that
the Puerto Ricans are number three, then well I'm not
necessari showing you that, little girl. Your Puerto Ricans could
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be four, Your Japs, your change could be three three A,
three B.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
This is horrible.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I know, this is absolutely horrible.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
This is helping you understand.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
This is not helping me do anything.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
The genext parents out there as to how horrible TV
was in the early eighties, late seventies, early eighties.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, it's pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
It's pretty bad.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
It's really bad.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
He raided them in order. Now he's got some views
on slavery too, oh shipped.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Are you serious?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Oh yeah, I think that. I mean, if God had
had meant us to be together, he'd have pushed get it. Well,
look what he's done. He put you over in Africa.
You put the rest of mission, all the white countries.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
That's Sammy Davis Junior, by the way.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Well you must have told them where we were, because
somebody came and got it. I mean there was work
for us.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
I mean, and how could you resist free transportation, room
board chains.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
So they were tackling these social issues.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I'm glad that was that was It was a progressive scene, right,
I guess, right, right, right, right right for him plaining
to play a character. But it's definitely tough.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So so yeah, and you're gonna learn about you know
what she doesn't she doesn't, so she doesn't know anything
about the Jeffersons. In fact, she probably thinks they flew
around on little rockets.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I'm sorry, what Jefferson's are we talking about?
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, so not Thomas, not Thomas Jefferson. But you're gonna,
you're gonna, You're gonna meet the Jefferson's was a black
sitcom that was a spin off from from All in
the Family. That's what we're watching clips of. The show
is called All in the Family with Archie Bunker and
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his wife Edith. It wasn't just about race. They also
got to meet some gay folks every now and then.
But they're they're having social commentary on things at the time,
and he's playing this ignorant racist stereotype on purpose to
be able to draw out some of these issues. It's good.
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But the point is, even though the overall point of it,
he was kind of like this, this hateful old man
that you kind of loved and wanted him to do better,
but he was a he was just kind of a jerk.
But even today, if you wanted to address some of
these things, you just couldn't do it the way they
did it. No, this was on network television. You can't
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like this was on just a regular channel. This wasn't cable,
this wasn't protected like, this was just on free TV
that kids.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Were watching me cringe.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, yeah, oh, I know that's the point of the
right now. All right, let's see how he how he
does whenever some gay folks show up? Okay, how do
you do?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
My name is George Robinson and I represent the Gay
Liberation Front.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
How do you do?
Speaker 7 (07:34):
This must be missus Robinson. No, I'm Cynthia Nash and
the Daughters of Sappho. We wanted to talk to you
about our candidate in today's election.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Holy no, holy ho there, let me handle it high.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Don't you know what they are.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
She's a daughter of Sappho and he's a gay liberator.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Just got a shine with your hand.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Just let me do the talking here.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Excuse me, get lostie?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
That wasn't a lot?
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Do you have to be a dingbat all the time?
Speaker 7 (08:24):
They seemed like such a nice couple.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
A couple of wat you mean, yeah, yeah, to tea
and fruity.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
That's a modern modern term, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
So did little Richard?
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Really?
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
What are your thoughts on that one?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I I understand. I feel like at first I thought
this was just I thought they were poking fun. I
didn't realize the purpose of his character was to play
that role and then to have and I obviously now
like having the other characters be like why not they're
just a nice couple, kind of bringing that idea, like, yeah,
there's just a couple regardless of what's happening, Like, that's
just what's happening.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Like, So the guy that he calls meathead, the guy
that was in the little jean shorts and his and
his girlfriend. Yeah, so the girl is their daughter, and
then the guy is the guy that they brought that
she's dating, and he on the show, his character is
an atheist and they deal with a lot of religious
stuff too, where he's like this super liberal, progressive atheist
and Archie's like this hardcore republican and they just butt
(09:35):
heads all the time. That's kind of the whole point
of the show. And then the neighbor is the Jefferson's
a black couple. So in this in this next clip,
Archie takes a second to explain women to a woman.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Man's blain.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
There we go, Okay, I don't want to hear.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Nothing more about women's problems. You know, you have men
complaining about their problem because men I don't have any
problems compared to women, and that's God's will. So forget it.
You mean God's mistake. Hey, hey, God don't make no mistakes.
That's how we got to be God.
Speaker 8 (10:18):
If they blaming nothing on God that use women bringing yourself, Yes,
that's why you don't believe me. Read your bible. Me
just told you about him and aid, there you know him.
And they had a pretty soft out in part they
had no problems. They didn't even know they was making.
But she wasn't satisfied with that. See the one day
(10:39):
that's direct daughter, she made poor Ida meet that app
God got sore, he telling him meet the clothes on
and get the hell out of here.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
That's why that eve was kast and that's why they
call her what you call it the case. Well, there
you have a Gloria direct from the Reverend Archie Bunker
True Story of menstruation s.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
He's like, if what's his name? Popeye? Yea and grumpy
Cat had a baby. That's a great comparison.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, Popeye and grumpy Cat. Yeah, you're right, and this
is this one gets this one's pretty bad. They are
at some event, I think it's a wedding or something
with the Jeffersons, and he says something pretty offensive, So
I'm scared.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Oh look, mister Jefferson.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Hey Jefferson, are you listen that formal invitation you're sent
by your wife? I think that'll be very whitey.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Pose it.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
So it's it's important to know that what people are
laughing at here is not that it's funny to say that,
but that we're laughing at people that think that is
an okay thing to say.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, nowadays, it's just not. We just don't want to.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, yeah, I heard, and actually I'm growing up in Texas.
I would hear it as a joke. Oh that's mighty white. Yea,
when someone would do something polite and I was like,
why would they say that? I never knew what they
were meaning. And it turns out people would actually use
it as a compliment, like you behaved like a white person,
as though that's a better thing, and in fact, today
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it might might mean the opposite. If someone were to
say that's mighty white, it's.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Like you're dancing back. It's like you're you're being weird.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, so this right here is George Jefferson. That's his
wife wheezy, and then that's I believe it's George's mom
behind them.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
It was so crazy too, because I noticed, like obviously
the times back then black people had to not do
anything about it and just fucking take it.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Well.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yeah, and I feel like even nowadays, there's a lot
of racism that's still taken unfortunately, but there's more like
I'll elbow you in the face, how about that? Which
we love right right right?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Because even if I mean, because even if they did
back then, they could lose their jobs, they could lose
their housing, and of course you have, it just wasn't
worth it.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Well, it's also the times there were a lot more
supportive of you elbowing somebody in the face for being racist,
rather than back then they were like get them, you know,
And that's not that's not what.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
We're here, right, So here's how here's how George responds.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
The way I felt when I did it.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
George, why don't you take Archie over to the bar
and offer him a drink?
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I shut your hosing down your porch yesterday? Oh yeah,
when am I going to see you hosing down yours? I? Yes, sir,
didn't matter, n.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Want'll it be, sir, I wish any particular brand, any
expensive brand.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
What about you, sir, Scotch and soda?
Speaker 8 (14:06):
Pleas yes, sir, Hey, hey, Jeffishing is a switch fear
this guy giving you the big Yes, sir, pride, he's
a bartner.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Ain't yeah, but one of the men. I'm used to
having it the other way around. Oh yeah, how many servants?
You got nothing? Mansion you living in? What do you
mean by that? Let me tell you something about people.
Say a black that bartend is willing to work for.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Me, because if you got enough green in your pocket,
then black becomes his favorite color.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Wow, George, that's your third dream. I know that Lena.
Put it down, Mama, you leave me lonely.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
I said, put it down in your patty now, Mama, I'm.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
A big boy now. I don't need you to blow
my nose for me. Now when you leave me alone?
Speaker 8 (14:56):
Uh huh, I ain't that jeffishon That ain't very I's
talking that way to your little mammy head.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Who you call him nanny? Well, don't you dare call
me mammy. I'm nobody's mammy. I'm his mother. Now.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
If you've got anything to tell to me, you call me,
missus Jefferson.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Jess missus Jefferson, don't talk to me, and don't you
try to make up for either. Mother Jefferson, what's wrong?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, what's going on? She should be going on with Maddy.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
I was doing nothing wrong. I going on call ing,
call him mother's mammy. Well like that, Jefferson, That's what
I always said. Jesus Johnson called his more than mammy
for years. Dean Louise, you see that you.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Get an inviting life, don't you get inviting whitey So
so as offensive as that is, I think it's important
that it was on TV because there's no doubt there
was there were white people watching this that honestly didn't
know how offensive they were being by saying this type
of ignorance, just not knowing not And I know it
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sounds like I'm defending them, but like just growing up
hearing it that that's the word you use and then
eat and then seeing this type of show and being like, oh,
that's a fence.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Still happens all the time. Of course, Yeah, there's a
lot of people thinking, you know, you're trying to be hateful,
and you're like, oh, wait, no, that's just what my Grandma.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Said, yeah, no, I'm just dumb.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, I'm just just don't know. I just have no idea,
which is crazy. I mean, it's important to educate. I mean,
that's what that is. And it's showing completely different worlds
kind of like, hey, this is our point of view
and this is how it's clashing, and that's pretty important
for that time. What time did this air?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I don't know, Danny, can you look up what time?
I think I think it aired from the seventies to
eighties or we could find out exactly. But all in
the family.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I'm just curious because I mean, obviously a lot of
these things should have happened.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
A lot soon seventy one to seventy nine. Yeah, okay,
all right, let's go back. Okay, this last, this last clip, well, just.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
He explains, I don't know how much I can handle
this last one.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Okay, this archie explains why cave women had short legs.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
That doesn't sound bad, okay, Edgi and Irene Lorenzo thinking
that she's going to get that job over me with all.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
That great heroes. Oh, she just might get the job.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Ooch.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
You know, nowadays, the government's pressuring companies into hire and
more women in executive positions.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I know, I know, it's a crime against nation. Women
was created with two things, making meals and babies. Oh
there you go again with the nineteenth century thinking of you.
Well that's true. Look at your cave women. Why do
you think your cave women was created with short legs
and fat butts? I don't know, but I'm sure you
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got a good answer. So they couldn't run fast so
the men could catch him and force them to make
the meals in the baby.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Or weren't there any cave women with long legs and
skinny butts that could run faster than the men? Well,
them the men would have to bring down with a rock.
Now I'm starting to catch on. And what about the
cave men with the short legs and fat butts that
couldn't catch any women?
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Well, they was probably your face figs.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Okay, wow yep, wow wowow wow wow wow. I feel
like Archie Bunker, the character should be in jail for
a lot of reasons. All right, I feel like he
just admitted to a crime. He's already done.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I mean that's that's I mean assault battery more more
than other words. We'll probably get flagged for saying horrible.
But it's also this borderline of like understanding that when
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we behave when you see gen X out here behaving
in a certain way, thinking it's funny even though we
don't mean it, and gen Z is like, you can't
do that, and the gen X is thinking, no, I'm
I'm behaving in that way to make fun of the
people who think that way, and you're like, but people
don't know the difference. This is I want this to
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shine a light on our audience, to say, or to
shine a light for our audience to go, this is
what raised us. This is what we were watching on TV.
This is ridiculous, man, say these things, and so we
were used to this stuff on a weekly basis.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I mean, it's definitely very important even to this day
to bring things to light. Like even a lot of
isn't saying don't show that. I think they're actually no,
Like this is important even like Tom and Jerry. There's
a lot of racist things that are in a lot
a lot of different episodes and kids episodes in like
Princess movies and things like that, and they're wondering like
should we take it away, and it's like, no, you
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should show it, but change the next movie.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
You know what I'm saying, put some kind of notice
at least to say, we understand that this shows some
sort of stereotype, whether it be about women or about
race or whatever. To go this is it wasn't. What's
gonna drive me crazy in the comments is people going, Oh,
it was okay back then. Why is it not a
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big Why is it such a big deal now? It
was never okay. It was never okay. But we normalize
things that weren't okay back then. And what when you
normalize things that aren't okay? What that does is it
it perpetuates this idea that the stereo trae, that the
stereotype is true. And so that's what we don't want
to do. But then when you have like the Tom
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and Jerry stuff, like the Black Maid who says all
the racist, stereotypical things and then beats you know, Tom
in the head, it's like and then when you hear
her whistling certain songs, it's it's sort of like bringing
some people back to like slave days, like the slave songs,
and it's like, it's so cringing now to think that
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we hey, when I was like five and six years old.
I watched this stuff in like nineteen eighty five. I
never knew. I was just raised as a white kid
in Texas, never knowing. And then when I got older
and started realizing, I was like, oh my god, you
go back and watch Dumbo. Now, Oh my god, Dumbo.
There is blatant racism in Dumbo. And so I think
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we should still show it, as long as showing it
doesn't perpetuate the stereotype. We show it to say this
is what we used to do publicly, that we thought
it was acceptable to mock this and it's not.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, because I'm burying it, acting like it didn't happen
leaves room for it to happen again, right, So you
have to educate while also not bringing it up to part.
So that's why when you're acting in every day Also,
there's so many people that are ignorant. So if you
have people just acting as if this thing is fine,
you're like, well, I'm not racist, Like that's not the
fucking point, right, that's not the point. You're you're you're
missing it, and it's because you're ignorance. And so that's
(22:22):
it's a good mix that we're still I feel like
working on as a country. Unfortunately, we should have figured
this out a long time ago. But yeah, I think
Archie Bunker is doing as long as he doesn't uh
it doesn't agree with his views, I think he's doing
a good job of portraying the person he needs to
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portray as far as the kind of antagonist of the
of the group and then having everyone else be like,
what's your problem? You know?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, that it was definitely centered on him. And the
cool thing about it is when they when they started
bringing in the Jeffersons, they made George Jefferson a black
man who didn't like white people. And what was cool
is we got to see racist stereotypes of both sides
making assumptions of one another, and then they become these
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unlikely friends, constantly confused about what your culture is, what
your culture is a lot of that's in my stand
up special talking about exposing people to different race cultures,
racist cultures, and that's kind of what they were doing
in the seventies, is you know that. And then the
Jefferson's got their own sitcom where it was George and
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Weezy and moving on up and it was about a
very wealthy black couple that like lived up in this
you know, sky high apartment in New York, and so
it's you know, thinking back to when you see some
of that on TV, you're like, that's hateful. The writers
were doing it on purpose to highlight this story. They
did it in an offensive ass way. But Archie's clearly
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not the good guy.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
But it's all so not like they It would be
a bad thing if they thought about this and created
it just because they thought it was fun. This already exists.
Archie Bunker exists today absolutely. Archie Bunker is a person
and personality trait that still exists and definitely heavily more
existed a while ago. So they didn't necessarily create anything.
They just put it on television, which I think is
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that's really smart, is wonderful for many different communities. Sounds
like they did a lot of different angles, and so
it sounds like they're pretty progressive, which is weird to
make the star antagonist. Yeah, yeah, that's really strange, but
also caused a lot of conflict. Now you have multiple
episodes and people hooked on something that they're like forced
(24:41):
to look at, and that's smart. Ye.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
So the actor's name is Carol O'Connor, who played Archie Bunker,
and he was actually like a kind of a liberal
activist when he would speak out about it. He doesn't
talk anything like that. He's very calm, very intelligent.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Is he he's not alive?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
No, okay, nine years ago?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, because he seemed like what sixties.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I don't know that he was at the time. I
don't know. George Jefferson Sherman, what was his name? Who
played George Jefferson Sherman. I'm blinking on his name right now.
Why am i Sherman Himsley? Yeah, Yeah, brilliant, brilliant stuff,
(25:27):
and it was really funny. Some of my favorite moments
are is an Archie saying ridiculous stuff like that and
then having someone either a young woman or a black
person snapping back at him and having everybody laugh. And
it was just I think it was really educational for
a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Definitely, it really was probably uncomfortable for the white people
to watch and be like, why are they almost allowing?
Why are they airing this? And then to have them
be questions to be like what do you what are
you doing?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Like, I mean, the bar was definitely lower for what
you could get away with. I mean it's like or
higher I guess for what you could get away with
back then, but ultimately I think it was for the best.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
So anyway, that's Archie Bunker. Now you have a full
understanding of an Archie Bunker.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I've already met him.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
That's what I meant what I was saying at the
beginning of the show. Today you get to meet someone
we've been talking about. There's Archie Bunker. All right, that's
crazy for today.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
So I think what that means is is it you
being a cartoon? Yeah, okay, I think what that means
is this podcast Maybe possibly, I don't know, maybe possibly
(26:51):
I'm making it impossible for you right now, just maybe possibly,
maybe here in a second has ended
Is this a good episode to be doing right now?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I love uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
I'm very uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Actually get every single episode, last video and talk to
us in the comments at daughterpod dot com.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Today you get to meet, virtually meet somebody that I've
told you about several times. What not like a real person,
but like a person. You're gonna get to see them
in action. A name. Every time I say this name
to you, you create the person in your head that
you think it is. And we've had probably two or
three conversations about it, and today it finally, you finally
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get to walk away with a full understanding of Archie Bunker.
Are you ready?
Speaker 1 (00:54):
You have never seen this is?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
This is what television was like when I.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Was a kid.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
And you're gonna get to see Archie Bunker. And I'm
curious with your gen Z brain how you're gonna interpret
some of the things that he says. And you may
understand why gen X seems a little rough and not
offended by things. Okay, So in this first clip, as
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you're meeting Archie Bunker, okay, you get to hear what
he believes makes America great.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Hmmm, let's go.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
An American history lesson you don't know nothing about Lady
Liberty standing there in a hop with a torch on high,
screaming out the wall on NIE's in a while, send
me your poor, your dead beach. You're filthy and all
the nice set them in here. I'm smalling in like
cans your Spanish, pag, your jock, you're chinaman, jack crouching
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your age, and they're all free to live in their
own separate sections. And then brush your head if you
go in there.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
That's what great, buddy, How do you feel about Archie?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Average old white man? Sounds like what that is? He
doesn't feel real? Is he he's a character or he's
just a guy.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
He's a character?
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Okay? Are those his real views? Okay, so he's being
funny on purpose?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah yeah, well he's he's playing a stereotype of an
old East Coast why white guy.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah yeah, yeah, well he's doing it well.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
The actual actor himself is super smart, was pretty liberal. Yeah,
really really good actor. But yeah, the idea here is
to show you, like this stuff that they said. You
probably couldn't even understand a lot of what he said.
A lot of his racial slurs you've probably never even
heard before. But He said things that were probably gonna
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have to bleep out when we put this on TikTok just.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Now, yeah, oh man, that I don't know if I
heard a lot of it, because he there's some of
it that sounded so fifties sixties.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Okay, this was seventies.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
How he was talking away, this sounds like like a
whole accent from a long time ago type of thing.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Well, let's let's keep it going. The next one is
his racial ranking system.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Is this a good episode to be doing right now?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Uncomfortable?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I'm very uncomfortable. Actually, the astrode isn't thinking at all?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Are you?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
And Henry?
Speaker 6 (03:55):
You're trying to find somebody else to buy the hop you.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Don't call that crooked? No walking off on number one?
Where does that place? Henry Jefferson? It was number two?
See number two, because me, there can only be one
number one and one number two. I life made Jefferson
number two long before I come along. I suppose that
the Puerto Ricans are number three, then well I'm not
necessari showing you that, little girl. Your Puerto Ricans could
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be four, Your Japs, your change could be three three A,
three B.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
This is horrible.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I know, this is absolutely horrible.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
This is helping you understand.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
This is not helping me do anything.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
The genext parents out there as to how horrible TV
was in the early eighties, late seventies, early eighties.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, it's pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
It's pretty bad.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
It's really bad.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
He raided them in order. Now he's got some views
on slavery too, oh shipped.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Are you serious?
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Oh yeah, I think that. I mean, if God had
had meant us to be together, he'd have pushed get it. Well,
look what he's done. He put you over in Africa.
You put the rest of mission, all the white countries.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
That's Sammy Davis Junior, by the way.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Well you must have told them where we were, because
somebody came and got it. I mean there was work
for us.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
I mean, and how could you resist free transportation, room
board chains.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
So they were tackling these social issues.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I'm glad that was that was It was a progressive scene, right,
I guess, right, right, right, right right for him plaining
to play a character. But it's definitely tough.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
So so yeah, and you're gonna learn about you know
what she doesn't she doesn't, so she doesn't know anything
about the Jeffersons. In fact, she probably thinks they flew
around on little rockets.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I'm sorry, what Jefferson's are we talking about?
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, so not Thomas, not Thomas Jefferson. But you're gonna,
you're gonna, You're gonna meet the Jefferson's was a black
sitcom that was a spin off from from All in
the Family. That's what we're watching clips of. The show
is called All in the Family with Archie Bunker and
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his wife Edith. It wasn't just about race. They also
got to meet some gay folks every now and then.
But they're they're having social commentary on things at the time,
and he's playing this ignorant racist stereotype on purpose to
be able to draw out some of these issues. It's good.
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But the point is, even though the overall point of it,
he was kind of like this, this hateful old man
that you kind of loved and wanted him to do better,
but he was a he was just kind of a jerk.
But even today, if you wanted to address some of
these things, you just couldn't do it the way they
did it. No, this was on network television. You can't
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like this was on just a regular channel. This wasn't cable,
this wasn't protected like, this was just on free TV
that kids.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Were watching me cringe.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, yeah, oh, I know that's the point of the
right now. All right, let's see how he how he
does whenever some gay folks show up? Okay, how do
you do?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
My name is George Robinson and I represent the Gay
Liberation Front.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
How do you do?
Speaker 7 (07:34):
This must be missus Robinson. No, I'm Cynthia Nash and
the Daughters of Sappho. We wanted to talk to you
about our candidate in today's election.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Holy no, holy ho there, let me handle it high.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Don't you know what they are.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
She's a daughter of Sappho and he's a gay liberator.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Just got a shine with your hand.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Just let me do the talking here.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Excuse me, get lostie?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
That wasn't a lot?
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Do you have to be a dingbat all the time?
Speaker 7 (08:24):
They seemed like such a nice couple.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
A couple of wat you mean, yeah, yeah, to tea
and fruity.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
That's a modern modern term, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
So did little Richard?
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Really?
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
What are your thoughts on that one?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
I I understand. I feel like at first I thought
this was just I thought they were poking fun. I
didn't realize the purpose of his character was to play
that role and then to have and I obviously now
like having the other characters be like why not they're
just a nice couple, kind of bringing that idea, like, yeah,
there's just a couple regardless of what's happening, Like, that's
just what's happening.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Like, So the guy that he calls meathead, the guy
that was in the little jean shorts and his and
his girlfriend. Yeah, so the girl is their daughter, and
then the guy is the guy that they brought that
she's dating, and he on the show, his character is
an atheist and they deal with a lot of religious
stuff too, where he's like this super liberal, progressive atheist
and Archie's like this hardcore republican and they just butt
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heads all the time. That's kind of the whole point
of the show. And then the neighbor is the Jefferson's
a black couple. So in this in this next clip,
Archie takes a second to explain women to a woman.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Man's blain.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
There we go, Okay, I don't want to hear.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Nothing more about women's problems. You know, you have men
complaining about their problem because men I don't have any
problems compared to women, and that's God's will. So forget it.
You mean God's mistake. Hey, hey, God don't make no mistakes.
That's how we got to be God.
Speaker 8 (10:18):
If they blaming nothing on God that use women bringing yourself, Yes,
that's why you don't believe me. Read your bible. Me
just told you about him and aid, there you know him.
And they had a pretty soft out in part they
had no problems. They didn't even know they was making.
But she wasn't satisfied with that. See the one day
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that's direct daughter, she made poor Ida meet that app
God got sore, he telling him meet the clothes on
and get the hell out of here.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
That's why that eve was kast and that's why they
call her what you call it the case. Well, there
you have a Gloria direct from the Reverend Archie Bunker
True Story of menstruation s.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
He's like, if what's his name? Popeye? Yea and grumpy
Cat had a baby. That's a great comparison.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, Popeye and grumpy Cat. Yeah, you're right, and this
is this one gets this one's pretty bad. They are
at some event, I think it's a wedding or something
with the Jeffersons, and he says something pretty offensive, So
I'm scared.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Oh look, mister Jefferson.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Hey Jefferson, are you listen that formal invitation you're sent
by your wife? I think that'll be very whitey.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Pose it.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
So it's it's important to know that what people are
laughing at here is not that it's funny to say that,
but that we're laughing at people that think that is
an okay thing to say.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, nowadays, it's just not. We just don't want to.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, yeah, I heard, and actually I'm growing up in Texas.
I would hear it as a joke. Oh that's mighty white. Yea,
when someone would do something polite and I was like,
why would they say that? I never knew what they
were meaning. And it turns out people would actually use
it as a compliment, like you behaved like a white person,
as though that's a better thing, and in fact, today
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it might might mean the opposite. If someone were to
say that's mighty white, it's.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Like you're dancing back. It's like you're you're being weird.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, so this right here is George Jefferson. That's his
wife wheezy, and then that's I believe it's George's mom
behind them.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
It was so crazy too, because I noticed, like obviously
the times back then black people had to not do
anything about it and just fucking take it.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Well.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yeah, and I feel like even nowadays, there's a lot
of racism that's still taken unfortunately, but there's more like
I'll elbow you in the face, how about that? Which
we love right right right?
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Because even if I mean, because even if they did
back then, they could lose their jobs, they could lose
their housing, and of course you have, it just wasn't
worth it.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Well, it's also the times there were a lot more
supportive of you elbowing somebody in the face for being racist,
rather than back then they were like get them, you know,
And that's not that's not what.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
We're here, right, So here's how here's how George responds.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
The way I felt when I did it.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
George, why don't you take Archie over to the bar
and offer him a drink?
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I shut your hosing down your porch yesterday? Oh yeah,
when am I going to see you hosing down yours? I? Yes, sir,
didn't matter, n.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Want'll it be, sir, I wish any particular brand, any
expensive brand.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
What about you, sir, Scotch and soda?
Speaker 8 (14:06):
Pleas yes, sir, Hey, hey, Jeffishing is a switch fear
this guy giving you the big Yes, sir, pride, he's
a bartner.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Ain't yeah, but one of the men. I'm used to
having it the other way around. Oh yeah, how many servants?
You got nothing? Mansion you living in? What do you
mean by that? Let me tell you something about people.
Say a black that bartend is willing to work for.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Me, because if you got enough green in your pocket,
then black becomes his favorite color.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Wow, George, that's your third dream. I know that Lena.
Put it down, Mama, you leave me lonely.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
I said, put it down in your patty now, Mama, I'm.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
A big boy now. I don't need you to blow
my nose for me. Now when you leave me alone?
Speaker 8 (14:56):
Uh huh, I ain't that jeffishon That ain't very I's
talking that way to your little mammy head.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Who you call him nanny? Well, don't you dare call
me mammy. I'm nobody's mammy. I'm his mother. Now.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
If you've got anything to tell to me, you call me,
missus Jefferson.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Jess missus Jefferson, don't talk to me, and don't you
try to make up for either. Mother Jefferson, what's wrong?
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, what's going on? She should be going on with Maddy.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
I was doing nothing wrong. I going on call ing,
call him mother's mammy. Well like that, Jefferson, That's what
I always said. Jesus Johnson called his more than mammy
for years. Dean Louise, you see that you.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Get an inviting life, don't you get inviting whitey So
so as offensive as that is, I think it's important
that it was on TV because there's no doubt there
was there were white people watching this that honestly didn't
know how offensive they were being by saying this type
of ignorance, just not knowing not And I know it
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sounds like I'm defending them, but like just growing up
hearing it that that's the word you use and then
eat and then seeing this type of show and being like, oh,
that's a fence.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Still happens all the time. Of course, Yeah, there's a
lot of people thinking, you know, you're trying to be hateful,
and you're like, oh, wait, no, that's just what my Grandma.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Said, yeah, no, I'm just dumb.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, I'm just just don't know. I just have no idea,
which is crazy. I mean, it's important to educate. I mean,
that's what that is. And it's showing completely different worlds
kind of like, hey, this is our point of view
and this is how it's clashing, and that's pretty important
for that time. What time did this air?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I don't know, Danny, can you look up what time?
I think I think it aired from the seventies to
eighties or we could find out exactly. But all in
the family.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I'm just curious because I mean, obviously a lot of
these things should have happened.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
A lot soon seventy one to seventy nine. Yeah, okay,
all right, let's go back. Okay, this last, this last clip, well, just.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
He explains, I don't know how much I can handle
this last one.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Okay, this archie explains why cave women had short legs.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
That doesn't sound bad, okay, Edgi and Irene Lorenzo thinking
that she's going to get that job over me with all.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
That great heroes. Oh, she just might get the job.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Ooch.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
You know, nowadays, the government's pressuring companies into hire and
more women in executive positions.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I know, I know, it's a crime against nation. Women
was created with two things, making meals and babies. Oh
there you go again with the nineteenth century thinking of you.
Well that's true. Look at your cave women. Why do
you think your cave women was created with short legs
and fat butts? I don't know, but I'm sure you
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got a good answer. So they couldn't run fast so
the men could catch him and force them to make
the meals in the baby.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Or weren't there any cave women with long legs and
skinny butts that could run faster than the men? Well,
them the men would have to bring down with a rock.
Now I'm starting to catch on. And what about the
cave men with the short legs and fat butts that
couldn't catch any women?
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Well, they was probably your face figs.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Okay, wow yep, wow wowow wow wow wow. I feel
like Archie Bunker, the character should be in jail for
a lot of reasons. All right, I feel like he
just admitted to a crime. He's already done.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I mean that's that's I mean assault battery more more
than other words. We'll probably get flagged for saying horrible.
But it's also this borderline of like understanding that when
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we behave when you see gen X out here behaving
in a certain way, thinking it's funny even though we
don't mean it, and gen Z is like, you can't
do that, and the gen X is thinking, no, I'm
I'm behaving in that way to make fun of the
people who think that way, and you're like, but people
don't know the difference. This is I want this to
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shine a light on our audience, to say, or to
shine a light for our audience to go, this is
what raised us. This is what we were watching on TV.
This is ridiculous, man, say these things, and so we
were used to this stuff on a weekly basis.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I mean, it's definitely very important even to this day
to bring things to light. Like even a lot of
isn't saying don't show that. I think they're actually no,
Like this is important even like Tom and Jerry. There's
a lot of racist things that are in a lot
a lot of different episodes and kids episodes in like
Princess movies and things like that, and they're wondering like
should we take it away, and it's like, no, you
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should show it, but change the next movie.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
You know what I'm saying, put some kind of notice
at least to say, we understand that this shows some
sort of stereotype, whether it be about women or about
race or whatever. To go this is it wasn't. What's
gonna drive me crazy in the comments is people going, Oh,
it was okay back then. Why is it not a
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big Why is it such a big deal now? It
was never okay. It was never okay. But we normalize
things that weren't okay back then. And what when you
normalize things that aren't okay? What that does is it
it perpetuates this idea that the stereo trae, that the
stereotype is true. And so that's what we don't want
to do. But then when you have like the Tom
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and Jerry stuff, like the Black Maid who says all
the racist, stereotypical things and then beats you know, Tom
in the head, it's like and then when you hear
her whistling certain songs, it's it's sort of like bringing
some people back to like slave days, like the slave songs,
and it's like, it's so cringing now to think that
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we hey, when I was like five and six years old.
I watched this stuff in like nineteen eighty five. I
never knew. I was just raised as a white kid
in Texas, never knowing. And then when I got older
and started realizing, I was like, oh my god, you
go back and watch Dumbo. Now, Oh my god, Dumbo.
There is blatant racism in Dumbo. And so I think
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we should still show it, as long as showing it
doesn't perpetuate the stereotype. We show it to say this
is what we used to do publicly, that we thought
it was acceptable to mock this and it's not.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Yeah, because I'm burying it, acting like it didn't happen
leaves room for it to happen again, right, So you
have to educate while also not bringing it up to part.
So that's why when you're acting in every day Also,
there's so many people that are ignorant. So if you
have people just acting as if this thing is fine,
you're like, well, I'm not racist, Like that's not the
fucking point, right, that's not the point. You're you're you're
missing it, and it's because you're ignorance. And so that's
(22:22):
it's a good mix that we're still I feel like
working on as a country. Unfortunately, we should have figured
this out a long time ago. But yeah, I think
Archie Bunker is doing as long as he doesn't uh
it doesn't agree with his views, I think he's doing
a good job of portraying the person he needs to
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portray as far as the kind of antagonist of the
of the group and then having everyone else be like,
what's your problem? You know?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, that it was definitely centered on him. And the
cool thing about it is when they when they started
bringing in the Jeffersons, they made George Jefferson a black
man who didn't like white people. And what was cool
is we got to see racist stereotypes of both sides
making assumptions of one another, and then they become these
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unlikely friends, constantly confused about what your culture is, what
your culture is a lot of that's in my stand
up special talking about exposing people to different race cultures,
racist cultures, and that's kind of what they were doing
in the seventies, is you know that. And then the
Jefferson's got their own sitcom where it was George and
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Weezy and moving on up and it was about a
very wealthy black couple that like lived up in this
you know, sky high apartment in New York, and so
it's you know, thinking back to when you see some
of that on TV, you're like, that's hateful. The writers
were doing it on purpose to highlight this story. They
did it in an offensive ass way. But Archie's clearly
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not the good guy.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
But it's all so not like they It would be
a bad thing if they thought about this and created
it just because they thought it was fun. This already exists.
Archie Bunker exists today absolutely. Archie Bunker is a person
and personality trait that still exists and definitely heavily more
existed a while ago. So they didn't necessarily create anything.
They just put it on television, which I think is
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that's really smart, is wonderful for many different communities. Sounds
like they did a lot of different angles, and so
it sounds like they're pretty progressive, which is weird to
make the star antagonist. Yeah, yeah, that's really strange, but
also caused a lot of conflict. Now you have multiple
episodes and people hooked on something that they're like forced
(24:41):
to look at, and that's smart. Ye.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
So the actor's name is Carol O'Connor, who played Archie Bunker,
and he was actually like a kind of a liberal
activist when he would speak out about it. He doesn't
talk anything like that. He's very calm, very intelligent.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Is he he's not alive?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
No, okay, nine years ago?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah, because he seemed like what sixties.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
I don't know that he was at the time. I
don't know. George Jefferson Sherman, what was his name? Who
played George Jefferson Sherman. I'm blinking on his name right now.
Why am i Sherman Himsley? Yeah, Yeah, brilliant, brilliant stuff,
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and it was really funny. Some of my favorite moments
are is an Archie saying ridiculous stuff like that and
then having someone either a young woman or a black
person snapping back at him and having everybody laugh. And
it was just I think it was really educational for
a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Definitely, it really was probably uncomfortable for the white people
to watch and be like, why are they almost allowing?
Why are they airing this? And then to have them
be questions to be like what do you what are
you doing?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Like, I mean, the bar was definitely lower for what
you could get away with. I mean it's like or
higher I guess for what you could get away with
back then, but ultimately I think it was for the best.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
So anyway, that's Archie Bunker. Now you have a full
understanding of an Archie Bunker.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I've already met him.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
That's what I meant what I was saying at the
beginning of the show. Today you get to meet someone
we've been talking about. There's Archie Bunker. All right, that's
crazy for today.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
So I think what that means is is it you
being a cartoon? Yeah, okay, I think what that means
is this podcast Maybe possibly, I don't know, maybe possibly
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I'm making it impossible for you right now, just maybe possibly,
maybe here in a second has ended
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