Sugar Daddies, Sugar Babies and the New Normal of Profit-Based Dating

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Podcasting since two thousand and five. This is the King
of Podcasts radio network Kingopodcasts dot com. A self proclaimed
sugar baby wants to be maintained like a maserati.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
We're all a little depraved and debaucherist. Here is the
King of Podcasts.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Welcome to the program, Depraved Debris. Appreciate all of you
joining me here on the series at kingopodcast dot com. Course,
thank you losing in. So let's get into it. A
very interesting episode when it comes to a young lady
that is from all the background I found out about
her is notably an actress, model, action performer, or could

(00:51):
say in the Hollywood space, a stunt woman. And her
name is Margo Grass. She is thirty three years old.
Thirty two years old, I'm sure, but through some of
the research I got from her, she probably is. It's
either thirty two or thirty three years old. I'm going
to guess thirty three based on the guestimation. Now. She

(01:13):
was just on a podcast which went up on YouTube today. Ortually,
this is about a week ago it came up, but
I only got the story about this today and it
just ran into my feed and I had to go
and talk about it. She talked about being a sugar
baby flat out. She was on the Tell Me More
podcast when Nicole Walters to talk about her story and

(01:35):
in the story itself, this is, by the way, the
Dear Media podcast Network is who hosts this program, and
she went on to debunk some misconceptions about being a
sugar baby, saying that many see as a power play
with the older, wealthier sugar daddy has control over the
younger financially dependent sugar baby, and Graft sees it as

(01:58):
a form of empowered that grants access to a life
of luxury on their own terms. Now, as a sugar baby,
she is proclaiming that she has received with any word
between sixteen and seventeen thousand dollars a month, sixteen to
seventeen thousand dollars a month, plenty of lavish gifts. She
received the horse for her last birthday, and she will

(02:20):
not talk to any man who's net worth is less
than ten million dollars preferably fifty to one hundred million
dollars million. She says that a soft life is the
best life and there's nothing wrong with receiving. So that's
what she is and she's based into Los Angeles, by
the way, now following up on her and seeing what

(02:41):
she's been doing with herself, she's been a chameleon basically
in terms of what she's been trying to do for
herself and trying to work out what is part of
her work now. She's done commercials, she's done voiceovers, she's
vailable for modeling, printing, hosting, and public appearances. She's not

(03:03):
under an agency of major representation in Hollywood, but she
has done a couple of different film things. I don't
really don't know them of what movies or they are.
And in television she's done some other shows. She's done
four pilots four pilots I've always seen here and one
series that was a recurring series. And she's done a

(03:27):
little bit of new media, so that means a lot
of the Netflix stuff or streaming in general now among
the things that she's done. Also, she's also done quite
a bit of work in stunt work. She was in Batgirl,

(03:48):
the movie that got shelled by Warner Brothers because the
whole deal with that because it was gonna make lose money,
and she was in the movie disenchanted as a stunt double.
And the movie the beat down. So there's things in
this that she's been part of and a lot of
acting training. She's also been trained in physical dance training.

(04:10):
She's done competition shooting, advanced riding, horse stunts, blue belt,
ken po, jiujitsu, boxing, MMA, firearm, disarmed swords, a lot
of different things to go and work into. You know,
combat in movies as a stunt, double boxing, hand in
hand combat, tactical firearms safety, live firearm, and wire work.

(04:31):
She studied at the New York Conservatory of Dramatic Arts
and at Butler University as a minor in theater and
a master or a major I guess in acting for
TV and film to your program now. According to her resume,
five foot five, one hundred and twenty four pounds and
again thirty two to thirty three years old. And if

(04:53):
I look at what she who she is in terms
of characteristics and measurements. She is fluent in Spanish, but
don't really know where sure her background comes from. But
we're gonna learn about some of that here because what's
interesting is when I look at her in one podcast

(05:13):
interview that she's on Aunt Address on YouTube. She was
another podcast that was talking about her career and there's
some things I want to go ahead and point out
about the fact that now there was an episode of
the Passion Pod which she was on almost three years
ago October thirty, first Halloween Night, twenty twenty two, on

(05:35):
their one hundredth episode, and they talked to Margo and
we learned about her work in originally coming from Minnesota,
and she's lived and traveled all over the world before
becoming based in Los Angeles. And in her story, this
is the same woman here, this actress, model, stunt performer,

(05:56):
and producer. She's also dealt with her own issues of trauma.
She had dealt with years and years of bullying, abuse
and two near death experiences, and to help heal and
empower herself, that's where she found martial arts. So for her,
it was a matter of recovery, a matter of empowerment,

(06:16):
or a matter of just trying to go and find
herself and re establish herself. Now, I'm not sure about
how far are we going through this, but I want
to take from a couple of clips in the two
podcasts just to get onto you about this is the
same girl that's talking right now, a girl that now
is a sugar daddy looking seeking sugar daddies that demanding

(06:39):
they at least have a minimum ten million dollar portfolio.
They're at least worth ten million dollars value she gets
right now. She says, it's a sugar baby sixteen to
seventeen thousand dollars a month. But on the surface, okay,
I've seen pictures on an answer Graham. She's an attractive woman.

(07:01):
There's no doubt about that. But I just want to
get a little bit of context into what we're getting
into here with this young lady. So this is her
on the Tell Me More podcasts talking about dynamics and
the sugar baby lifestyle, and so she also talks about
also finding and managing sugar daddies that she has been with.

(07:23):
So let's go and play a little bit of.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
That fun and the money. A lot of them were
for the love and the fun.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
And know this, like do they all like, so, how
many sugar daddies have you had at one time? Like,
what's the most that you that a person can manage?
I know you're extremely accomplished.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
Maybe too, okay, So two and a boyfriend and a
boyfriend okay to a boyfriend, Okay, it's.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Like maybe impossible sure, for sure, possible.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
So okay, so I don't even know if we've ever
heard that before. It that talk about the pravity and
the bountry head altogether. And I'm not blaming. I am
not judging this young lady, okay, but for those of
you that young ladies that would be interested in the
sugar baby lifestyle, all right, on the surface, hey, she's
you know, we could tell that she's you know, got

(08:12):
herself put together, hair done, makeup done, well dressed, looks cute,
casual chic, and you could tell she's been in Los
Angeles for a long time. Just get a feel of it.
But yeah, she says that she's vanished up to two
sugar Daddy simultaneously and a boyfriend that allowed this to
go on or that was not even aware of what

(08:34):
she was doing. But she's a minigant on this podcast. Okay,
go on a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
If you've had two at one time, is one of
your values around this or if there are any values
around it, like everyone needs.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
To know or yeah, I'm super transparent. Okay, so is
do you think that's part of my life style?

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Those ones like if I was with the love of
my life and having other guys it was because they
were looking for fun and I was just also looking
to have have my bills being paid. Well, my you know,
boyfriend at the time was helping me as well financially
if I needed it, buying me gifts, treating me like
a queen. But you know, again, it's tough.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, it is so tough.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
And I'm trying to build businesses that requires investment. Do
you know how hard it is to get a small
business loan?

Speaker 5 (09:20):
It is?

Speaker 3 (09:21):
And do you know that a small business loan will
only really give you one to two times the monthly
deposits that you have in your business bank account.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Okay, it's kind of hard to believe this is true
because again, on the surface, she is a trained actress,
so she could be putting this out there just to
kind of like get the idea of what was going
on here. I don't I didn't see a lot on
the instagrament in her background where I see her lavishly
living out a lifestyle. But the one thing is is
she's living in Los Angeles comfortably. Yeah, she needs she

(09:52):
needs something to go to maintain and the work in
all the different areas that she's in. If she's just
not getting many calls for auditions or not on the
set for many different things that's recurring or consistent. Then
yet she is probably doing something else to go ahead
and continue to supplement the lifestyle. So in this podcast
they also talk about profits based dating that I didn't

(10:13):
know we would get to this point, but wow, that
is man, I heard dad just I don't know what
to think about it, but let me pull that up
real quick as well, where Nicole Walters brings up the
definition of profit based dating.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Pina receiving, we're going to talk about in a very
specific category. I like to call it profit based dating,
if you will, but you may know it as being
a sugar baby. Now, I want to let you know
that why we're having this conversation is that I think
a lot of people may have opinions around what it's
like to be in a relationship with a give, the take,

(10:54):
the receiving and that dynamic. And I'm not here to judge.
I'm not here to tell you what to think, but
I am here to make sure you hear from someone
who is empowered and doing this the way they feel
it works best, so that you can make up your
own mind, all Right, and.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Then they introduced Margo here. But here's the thing. One
of the other areas I want to go and do
as well in this particular episode was to distigmatize sugar dating.
That's what you're talking about now. In the podcast, they
talk about how it's a sugar baby, that is someone
who operates in her femine energy and receives things effortlessly

(11:32):
just by being her divine self. And Margot refers to
a sugar baby as a trad wife in the making quote,
I want to be a trad wife who has my
own business. Is that my man can actually help me
self fund It's not a tradwife. Doesn't make any sense
right there, And she says if the profit based dating
is the same way you would apply to a job,

(11:52):
never go for a minimum wage. To anyone who judges that,
she asks, do you not feel comfortable having a soft life?
Do you not feel worthy of receiving a soft life? Listen?
That kind of thinking right there is delusional and to
put that out there as preaching it as gospel is
also delusional. Then she goes on to talk about the

(12:16):
common misconceptions of the sugar baby lifestyle, and she has
one a particular, and that the assumption that sugar babies
have daddy issues. Now in her she says her experience
device is the stereotype. But this is the interesting part, Okay.
She brings up when she talks about and we're I'm

(12:36):
gonna find the clip that can talk about this, where
that she had a strong bond with her father that
influenced how she views gender roles, particularly appreciation for the
traditional dynamic where a man protects and provides for a woman.
So in this particular podcast, I'm going to go in
and play for you real quick, where she talks about
first of all kinks and desensitation. Let's go and give
you that oosts.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Or fat or like, because I I'm looking for love.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
This this is a having thing for sure. So you
people know a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Also like people with a lot of money, they are
they are desensitized to the normal. They like to feel,
they need to feel something.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Okay, so let's get right into what it is. So
you find someone, you get them what is is.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Well, let's move along here. Also, an only fans compressions
of the shows also makes in this podcast.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
You know, because this is it's not blowing my mind
I know.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Some people listening, there's between like this and only fans, right, like.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yes, why through right because it's normalized. Right, there are
Instagram girls who literally post pictures of themselves.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
After I got my body done, I was in a
relation if.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
You had done, you might need to get in LiPo.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Done during the pandemic, when like I had all the
time in the world to heal, which was great. And
it went from like, I mean, I built my body
so that if you saw me naked on screen in
a movie, you would never know that I had my
body done. I wanted everything like so naturally classy, elegant,
tasteful and timeless.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Right, Like I can say like they're you're not going
to like change.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
One hundred percent. And he said he was unattracted to me,
and I'm like, bro, I look the best I've ever
looked in my life.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Dog, it's so good that I never had the kitties
like this.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
So I got on OnlyFans and I was just doing
Lingeriine swim because I was in this swim pageant. We
did thirty eight swimsuit look photoshoots on this pageant. I
did like I was like, I can just sell my
hot photos I don't need to do anything nude or inappropriate,
and I made great money. I only did it for
like six months, but people kept asking for customs and

(14:32):
I just wow.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
So it's still the idea of doing content that will
still be for profit, just because she's not doing on OnlyFans.
There's a distinction there. So let me give you what
she says in this interview with the Cole Walters about
her family life and some background on her before she
came to Hollywood from Minnesota, which I don't think she
mentions here, but she talks about her relationship with.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Her father, Rain.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
I come from a family who my father. I have
four parents, have had four parents, and majority of my
life I have lived a beautiful life. My parents have
done everything to take care of me and protect me,
and my father will always go above and beyond for me.
And maybe it's it comes from that of like really
having a father and a strong man in my life

(15:18):
who has always done whatever he could to provide for me.
And I'm someone who like I come with acids, I
will come with multiple properties. I will come with a
low key, you know, trust fund and.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
So well, so that's interesting. Yeah, Like because a lot
of people I think when they hear a woman is
engaging in it. I'm just going to loosely call it
sex work because I know that you're going to talk
more about sort of your perspective around that. But you
know women who are comfortable using their bodies and and
their personality.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Or putting everything in my pussy in the fridge when
I was babysitting myself like God, like my body, so
you always okay.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
So let's get into the part where she mentioned that
part about her relationship family. All I'm doing here is
finding the full context because you know what people were
gonna find this podcast, listen to Margo here and just
think that everything is hunky dory when it's not, because
she comes with emotional baggage. If you go ahead and

(16:17):
look at this podcast I talked about earlier, the Passion Pod. Well,
in this particular episode she talked about her life and
getting herself back together again. This is from the podcast
I'm telling you right now from the Cole Walters is
a week ago. This is three years ago, almost three
years ago, and this is her on the Passion Pod

(16:40):
talking about her family at that time.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Growing up, so I was always around older people and
I would go up and dress up to these award shows.
Like so, I just as a young girl, was always
also into like older guys, not like old or older,
like I was in eighth grade and he was like
a senior in high school.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
It's still not like.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Not crazy bad, like he's not in his twenties or thirties.
But like, so the girls in schools just didn't like me,
and I get it. They were threatened by me. It
was a lot of the girls that were in their
same grade that were being like, stop messing with our guys.
So they would like call me, leaving me voicemails four
times a day telling me to kill myself. They would
like pushing down the hallways, write horrible things in the bathroom,

(17:21):
you know, and they would have to lock the bathroom
to clean the bathroom. But so I shut down a
lot of the vulnerable parts in me, and I was
like I stopped singing, I stopped having doing like performances
and solos because I would just be so bullied. So
I shut down the real artist in me for a
very long time. And I went changed high schools and
I went to a private school, and I was like

(17:42):
great business, I'm super business minded. I'm super creative, I'm
super entrepreneurial, I'm such a self starter business. So I
went to business school, and in business school, I you know,
I actually won every business competition of the year of
my like sophomore year business competition, junior year business competition.
I was winning like thousands of dollars for best operating Practice,

(18:04):
best innovative business idea, all these things, and ended up
going to Europe and having which we'll also get into
just kind of saying how I got into acting.

Speaker 5 (18:13):
Why did you go to Europe?

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Then?

Speaker 5 (18:15):
If you were winning all these business things, why didn't
you just try to, you know, start a business or
find a mentorship or somewhere, you know what I mean?
Why didn't you go right business?

Speaker 3 (18:22):
This school? A lot of people in my sorority were
everyone studies abroad, and I was like, yeah, I wouldn't
I study abroad? Right? So yeah, there was a bunch
of girls in my sorority going to Spain, so we
were all And I was also getting out of an
abusive relationship where I was like, I have to I
have to leave. I have to get out of here

(18:42):
because it was bad. And I think also, you know,
when you're dating someone who's probably the life of the party,
and everyone loves him. He's super funny, charismatic. When you
break up and people still want to be invited to
the parties, people still want to be like in the
cool clip, they will pressure the girl to you know,

(19:04):
stop making a big deal out of it. So he
used to be like in my sorority, he was headhouse boy,
used to make all of our meals. So in my sorority,
I would every single meal, he'd be in the you know,
the cafeteria. Even when I would walk out of my
room and my sorority after sleeping, he'd be like changing
a light bulb in the hallway or cleaning the drains,
or he lived behind my sorority. He would see when

(19:25):
I came and left it with my car, like it
for sure. The cops definitely came and stopped several fights.
And I never also like turned him in for being
abusive because I was like, I love you, I'm a rider,
I'm a scorpio. I will like sabotage my whole life
because the US, there's a lot.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
Of times will go over the top to show you
they love you after they've just done something horrible and
it's really it messes.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
With you, yes, And so I tried to get him
fired from this job at my sorority and all the
girls were like, I can't believe you would try and
take away his job, like how dare you? And I
looked like I was the problem person because I was
like I don't have a single safe space where I
don't have a place where I can go and heal
my mental, heal my emotional like he's at where I live,

(20:08):
he's behind my sorority house. Like I can't go to
any parties. My friends are lying saying they're hanging out
with their boyfriend, but they're going to his party. Like
I felt like I was going to kill myself or
he was going to kill me, and so I needed
to leave. I actually cheated on a test and the
din of the school was like, I don't know why
you think we would let you go study abroad. You
have like four domestic violence things on your record because

(20:30):
he would always say I did it and I would
say he never did anything, and so they were like,
we have to expel you. And I was like, I'm
winning every single competition in the business school, like no
one had won every single year I was there, and
they were like, but your personal record is so horrible,
and I was like, if you don't let me go

(20:51):
study abroad. I had to say everything which really happened
in all the situations, and how he would hit me,
punch me, it was crazy, all these things. And then
I was like, but you have to let me go
study abroad because if you just let me stay here,
it's not going to be good. So I need to
go away, right, I need to get away. Yes, So
when I.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Was Wow, I wonder how many of those sugar daddies
and the boyfriend because in the last year or so
whatever of the current state that where she's at right
now being supported by all these men, because let's be honest,
I'm sure the boyfriend also gives some kind of financial support.

(21:29):
Maybe it's under the guys that well, he's just being
the good boyfriend. Well, we don't know, but it's obvious that.
I mean, if he's gonna be able to go ahead
and go out with her in a Los Angeles and
he's and this guy's an open relationship being aware, as
Margo says, that she's fully rather than sugar daddies, tell
you what I mean, I feel sorry for now she's

(21:54):
at this point listen at thirty three years old. Yeah,
I mean when you've gone through so much in your
teens and twenties and then you know, it is one
of those things where when you when you see women
that is part of your actresses This is not all
of them, but how many actresses do we see her
that are so good at acting and really just in

(22:15):
dramatic roles. Because he understand the trauma themselves from various
different ways, whether it came from their childhood or being
growing up in bad relationships, toxic families, broken families, whatever
it is, or what happens. Then when they get to
California and they got on the get that proverbial casting couch,

(22:36):
you know, I wouldn't be surprised on some of the
things that I think are true about her when she's
gone through bullying again teenagers, because who knows what it
might have been why these other girls were upset that
this girl was fully wrong with other boys, Like it
sounds like she was being a little bit loose in

(22:57):
high school and that she might have been with some
other guys. Is that there's a reason why those other
girls were jealous of her. That doesn't at all excuse
the behavior of bullying her going after her. Who knows
social media still was definitely still a thing, So who
knows what kind of bullying she got, cyber ruling or

(23:20):
physical bullying. And again what was happening during in high
school and she had no friends to kind of protect
her in that respect. And then at the same time,
we don't know what else is going on because you know,
you can talk about your father being very protective, but man,
there's a lot of things with the family. And I
don't hear about the mother either, Like where's the mother

(23:42):
in this situation? You know? Again, she says also four parents,
that she had four parents. You know, there's obviously a
divorce that went must have been gone through, so she
has two different sets of parents because I guess both
parents are either with significant others or married to a
significant other, whatever it is. So she's got that the
work off of the idea of the business school stuff,

(24:04):
where she, you know, is overachieving because she wants to
make something of herself after everything has happened, Like she
doesn't want to let all the abuse that she's gone
through identify who she is. So there's still something about
where she is intelligence, he's smart, she's a go getter,

(24:26):
and her career drive has pushed her into a lot
of different ways. Listen, it's very ambitious to go and
go into acting and to try to get the work
and be able to do what you're able to do,
and also just leave business school to go into acting
and go in that realm. But none of that is
even discussed in that Nicole Walter's podcast on Dear Media,
and you never hear about it because it was just

(24:50):
glommed over. But there's a lot that she went over,
and in this particular episode, she's she's telling us that
in the Passion pod did three years ago podcasts, that
she is recovering from all of it and that she's
using martial arts which is again finding a way to
go and self defends it's a victim mentality. You want

(25:12):
to be able to go ahead and protect yourself from
those that bully you or you know, boyfriends that are toxic,
and who knows what else might have happened. I'm sure
there are things that might have happened to her that
she has not opened up about, and who knows. There's
probably a therapist that knows what it is if she
has gone to one to help her overcome what kind

(25:32):
of trauma she's gone to who knows that she was
a rape victim or who knows what else. But I'm
sure if somebody wanted to go and find out, and
she went to somebody, talk about this because again her
mental state to try to go ahead and escape the
mental state she was dealing with, the trauma, the torture
she was dealing with in the sorority. Right, She's in

(25:53):
a sorority where all these other women also probably beautiful
or also very motivated and career driven, and also just
as jealous and vindictive as the girls in high school.
So whatever girl she was hanging around with, or that
hung around with her, or that interacted with her, you know,
they wanted to bond with her. But obviously there's something

(26:14):
about they got upset because this houseboy who was the
object of the desire and obviously sexual desire among the
other women in that sorority, and you can just imagine, well,
she's the one that got the good in the pick
of all the women that he probably could have gone after.
You know a lot of suitors in that house. When

(26:36):
he's getting things done. You can imagine like something out
of a romance novel. Oh look, his shirt's off, he's
got flannel on. Here's his toad body and the six
pack and all. And you know, a good looking guy
with the chops. And this girl, just like all the
other girls, is fantasy, is dreaming about getting to the
other with this guy, and she did. But then she's
also dealt with the fact that the guy was very

(26:57):
a bully and was narcissistic, was manipulative, go looking guy,
life of the party. People wanted to go to the
parties with him. So it's the part where it was
the attention. It was a limelight that he brought, but
he was so toxic and so bad. And the fact
that she also makes the mention of she defended him

(27:19):
and that she loved them. She didn't want to see
him get punished or go down for something that happened
because of her, And that's victimization. That's the part where, like,
I mean, that's you want to go ahead and say
that this girl is going to be a trad wife
or that the sugar baby, sugar baby's going to become
a trad wife in the making. No, no, you can't

(27:43):
for Margot, she'd have to go ahead and overcome whatever
still in with her, which is you know, I've always said,
like when I've looked at therapy for myself, it was
acceptance and commitment and just like you go ahead and
you confront, except to confront what has happened to you.
But then she went a different route where she decided
to go into the route of you know, behavioral therapy,

(28:08):
to go into the rout of finding self defense, finding
ways to go ahead and get her power back, get
her control back, so that no one could hurt her.
So if anybody comes near her now, now she has
her defense mechanism. She has self defense, which that along
with what she's gone through in her own emotional baggage,

(28:29):
makes her a good actress, makes your an aspiring, promising
actress at thirty three years old, She's motivate to keep
herself in the best shape. She's done a lot of
work when it comes to various diferent areas where we
talk about the resume and what she's done. So like
that's to take what's gone on with her and convert
it into something for her career that is inspiring, that's empowering,

(28:53):
that's a lot of respect right there. But then take
away what she's done right here, and now she's saying
to herself, I still got to get the bills paid.
The acting gig is not making any money. I need
to go be a sugar baby? Is that the right thing?
To go ahead and give that thinking to young women

(29:13):
out there that will find this podcast and say, hey,
she's got the right idea. I mean, in the podcast itself,
it's about being a sugar baby. It's pretty clear when
we go into this here she's finding a way to
go ahead and express how being a sugar baby empowers her.

(29:35):
But now, I mean she doesn't care about having children
of her own. Who knows or she's going to find
someone in her life down the line that after she's
gone through and given the part about the adventure going
to Europe, okay, saying she wants to go and study
abroad for business. Let's just make this clear. I'm pretty
sure that part of the thing of going to Europe
and going abroad is also just a clean change and

(29:57):
also that adventure type. Because of her her late teens
early twenties in college, Yeah, she probably wanted to find
her self away and think about like this too. In Minnesota,
of all places cold most of the year. She moved
to Los Angeles where it's you know, the sunshine. It's
that part of being in the warmth and like where

(30:18):
you'd find a lot of recovery places, right just you
were getting away from the depression of the darkness and
the drearyness of the winters in Minnesota to go into
the sunshine forever, sunshine, all year round, great weather in California.
And it's a different story for her, because I guarantee
you if we looked for Margot in Minnesota when she
was growing up, much different girl than she is now,

(30:41):
innos it's taken away and the toxicity that she went through,
who knows what it was now. She even said herself
always confronted around older men anyway, that was the other
thing she also dealt with too, So that was already
kind of the idea of she was already more into
older guys as part of that. So if that was
the case, then you would think that the father figure

(31:04):
would have the turner away, because why is she trying
to find a replacement for that father in another man
that will protect her? Why is that part? Why is
it that she didn't feel like, you know, to look
for a man that is like her father. Instead, she
wants to find a guy that will just support her
and her lifestyle because that's what matters to her. And

(31:27):
at the same time, she says herself, oh, well, she'll
go to different events, she'll be seen, and she'll still
do photo shoots. She'll still do things where she can
get content done and people will go and buy customs
from her. But she doesn't have to go to any
particular OnlyFans side or fans or anything like that to
go and keep it going. It's amazing. So she says,

(31:47):
when she decided to go and find a sugar daddy,
she had a lot of experience in the romance department,
and she meant she's been taking in a few street
rats over the years. She's now leveled up. She says
she's fallen in love with a lot of her sugar Daddy.
He's explaining that the most he's taken on at is one,
it was two or three. And then for her, she
talks about when she goes to meet sugar daddy's, she'll

(32:08):
scope out sugar Daddy's going to lunch, working at nice
hotels like the hotel, Barrel Air or the Maybourne, Beverly Hills,
even golf clubs. She also meets him on websites which
lists are networth and antal income and once a sugar
baby and sugar daddy match. Sex is not an expectation
about every meeting, all right, So that's for her going
to say that that that's the thing. I don't know

(32:28):
a lot of sugar daddies that are gonna want a
woman in her early thirties to just say, okay, I'm
still not giving up yet yet. She wants a guy that,
according to her, a good allowance on average with a
sugar daddy should be eight thousand to ten thousand dollars
a month. Do you understand what we're saying here. She's
recommending to everyday women out here, if you're just a

(32:49):
pretty girl out here eighteen twenty, twenty two, twenty five
or whatever, and she's putting the price tag at saying,
if you are just an average sugar baby looking for
a sugar daddy, you should expect the guy to spend
eight to ten thousand dollars a month on allowance alone,

(33:11):
not counting gifts, not counting other things. You're gonna ask
for man, that is amazing. I mean, that's a lot. Now.
She also says that part of the withholding of the
game is getting someone to make the effort. I'm very
empowered and thinking about it as well.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
Now.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
At the same way, she says that one of her
superpowers attributed to her successes as sugar baby is that quote,
I'm the Queen of receiving. Now I want to go
and play that part for I'll go let her. You know,
I've been saying enough myself, but I will let her
go and speak about that herself. So here's you're talking

(33:46):
about the power and the art of receiving.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Talk about that. What supermpowers? Do you think these superpowers
are directly related to the lifestyle of being a sugar baby?
Or is it just like things that you think are
just you that make it so that you can be
a sugar baby? Like can anyone do?

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Probably both, because everyone has special superpowers to them. So
one of my superpowers is that, like I've said it,
I'm the queen of receiving, and being the queen of
receiving also starts with having the utmost gratitude in recognizing

(34:22):
all the ways you already receive for the divine protection,
for the divine placement, for the divine favor, for all
these beautiful things in my life that I already have.
If you don't recognize how you're already receiving abundantly, then
you're not going to continue to receive. God pours into me,

(34:43):
out to me, and through me, back into the world
and back to me in a never ending cycle that
flows with the ferocity of an avalanche of abundance.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
So you don't even know scarcity. Scarcity is not even
in the room with that.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Because also the people that I date do not operate
on a scarcity mindset, and so they are also everything
they have as an asset their car, their house, their job,
their investment portfolio. You think these men are walking around
with something that doesn't look like their secret weapon and

(35:16):
their greatest asset. Because I pour belief into everyone that
I'm with, that's I like, my superpower is being a
number one hype girl.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Yeah, okay. She also was, according to what she says here,
was Miss Congeniality, the biggest and brightest personality in the room.
At the world finals for Miss Swimsuit USC International, she won.
She was Miss Los Angeles and also was rooming with
a girl who was runner up the year before. So yeah,

(35:47):
to give you the background on here of who she is,
there's some people pleasing in there, and I guess for
the right people, that's what she is. So she has
congeniality and she has a way of being gracious and
having gratitude, and that's the other partner she brings up here.
So that might be part of her part of graising

(36:08):
because whatever attention she's looking for, because I also feels
like there's a bit of an issue about the attention seeking,
which I mean, I understand that growing up the idea
of always want to be a tension seeing and that's
part of what she had here was that she did
get a lot of attention, and she enjoys the attention
that she gets, but at the same time, it's like

(36:29):
she was doing a lot to going to receive attention.
She was craving attention. It sounds like that's what it
was in growing up in Minnesota. And then what a
change here. Some of that still plays today in the
dating she does with Sugar Daddies. Now, so what does
that tell you about everything? And then she goes on

(36:52):
closes out and says that women have had who had
the relies only on themselves often struggle with embracing their
feminine side, feminine side and allowing themselves to receive. Quote.
They are in such survival that they don't know how
to sit back and receive without needing to do a
single thing. She doesn't see herself as a sex worker,
but is dating someone with money and says she sees
the money she earns as a gift or an allowance.

(37:13):
Her life model is to operate from a place of empowerment. Quote,
I see myself as an asset. Every woman should feel
comfortable asking for what they need and receiving it in
any relationship. Okay, I don't disagree with that. I get
if a woman wants to go and feel that way,
and that's who she is, as an asset, as a
commodity of value, and that's her value. I guess. It

(37:37):
just tells me that after all these years, I feel
like she has, guess gotten to the point where there's
a difference with her now. I mean, she doesn't feel
the same, and it's really amazing about what she says,
not in her prioritizing self care. From the interview from
the Passion Product she talks about that quote you always

(37:58):
have to take your care of yourself from so prietory
is prioritizing well being, even if it means less frequent
social outings, focusing on financial stability and building her businesses. Now,
the other part that I didn't realize that was in
here as well, which I should make a point of,
is that and this is part of the Passion podcast

(38:22):
that her parents were divorced young raised by four parents,
where we talked about earlier. She also says that she
was exposed to softcore porn early, leading to warped understanding relationships.
And then in Brussels, Belgium, when she was studying in
Europe overseas abroad, she was roofed and targeted by human

(38:43):
traffickers traffickers this guise as a band and targeted by
human traffickers as disguise as a band. As a band,
she nearly escaped physical assault and abduction with a friend
by running and yelling. And then years later a French
from Europe revealed that she had interviewed with police the
time and there was a home invasion. Six months after
she came back from Europe, she walked into a home

(39:06):
invasion involving armed drug dealers where she and her friend
were zip tied. She consciously chose not to be a
victim and spoke to the attackers, possibly saving their lives
and highlighting their involvement. She says that she experienced profound
anxiety and depression, wanting to die after accumulated trauma, and
that she had a divine calling from God that quote,

(39:28):
I made Joy a hero in real life so you
could play one on screen. So divine intervention prompted her
to go into acting. This is what she said. Now,
what has she done for herself to work on herself?
She used hypnosis to initially detach from PTSD, allowing her
to talk about events factually. So she used hypnosis to

(39:50):
work on acceptance confrontation or acceptance and confront confrontation. Yes,
she also did an acting exercise accidentally retriggering and releasing
the suppressed trauma, allowing her to process and live with
their things more fully. So that's quite interesting because she's

(40:12):
gone through that. But again it was something that happened
to her where she was retriggered and re released three
suppressed trauma so to come back out again. But she
did have that to go ahead and move forward. Then
she was along and talked about this here, which the
one thing is is that, yeah, she doesn't she's not

(40:32):
the same girl from Minnesota anymore. That young lady's gone.
She's evolved into a different variation of herself. But now
where we're at is, you know, now she's become a
woman who along with what she's doing right now in
her career, she has an entrepreneurial mindset. She's a modern woman,

(40:55):
you know, female empowered. And now she moves along and
she's done quite a bit of cosmetic procedures. We talked
about that. We heard about that as well, LiPo breast augmentation, filters, botox,
and that helped boost her self confidence, made her feel
like her best self. She also utilizes health and beauty

(41:16):
cheek codes like hyperbaric oxygen therapy and PRP micro needling,
so alternative treatments, biohacking. I get to hear about that
now on one of our podcasts on Cannabis Radio, so
I kind of know about this now. Also, she discusses
micro doescing mushrooms for PTSD, where she credits chemically rewiring

(41:37):
her brain and helping her detach triggers shares that others
have benefited from her openness, and she did have a
brief experience with OnlyFans and discussed it about being away
for artists to be compensated for the work without niderity
despite societal perceptions, and believes in sharing her truth to
empower others. That's everything now, that's from the other podcast

(42:00):
before she does this one on sugar Daddy's and her
being a sugar baby. But yeah, that's amazing what she's
gone through. And listen, I wanted to put everything out
there and just say, look, if you feel like you're
going to be a sugar baby, that's going to be successful.
What she's doing. I mean the path she's taken, the

(42:21):
fact that she's in Los Angels an aspiring actress, or
that she is acting and she is doing some work
in Hollywood. Okay, great, So she's in the right place
and still very attractive and just finding her way to
go ahead and just sustain a lifestyle that she has
to live that she wants to live. But she's not

(42:44):
going to keep herself now. She says she might find
love in the things that these men get for her
or how they support her, which there's a love for that,
and there's a gratitude for that. So, I mean, I
don't know how how interactive she is with the guys
in terms of intimacy or sex or anything like that.

(43:04):
There's no mention that really because she kind of makes
the point of always not making the most important thing,
and I'm pretty sure through her experience, I bet sex
is not the most important thing thro her anyway, and
she has other things she can do to give gratitude
to the guys that she is being supported by. So
the end of the day, guys, when you see a

(43:26):
sugar baby and you're on one of these sites, if
you've considered it okay, as you are well to do,
and you might consider to go and find a sugar baby.
This is the case right now where she's openly able
to go and talk about this and everything that she is. Listen.
I mean, when I look at what her background is,
the stuff that she would probably put on a dating site.
I'm an action actress, I train stunts, firearms, martial arts.

(43:48):
I'm a world finalist for Miss Wimso USA. And I'm
an entrepreneur. I create a whole bunch of businesses. So
that's part of where we are it's like you want
to reconc the idea if you're gonna be a sugar
baby and you say, okay, you want to supplement your lifestyle,
supplement the income that you're getting. Just keep in mind

(44:09):
that with everything I've said on this program about my
interactions on going on these websites or any girls that
were seeking sugar daddies, some of them have their own
level of emotional badgic backage. Again, like I said, thirty
percent are definitely just looking for the cash, just looking
for the bag. They just want what they can get,
and that's really what matters. The financial dominatrix. Basically, that's okay,

(44:32):
But like I said, a good seventy percent, there're gonna
be cases in the same way that Margo is. Where
she's gone through so much emotional trump that's a lot
for a woman that's good and take, or anybody to
take for that matter, And I really I'm glad she
found her place where she feels like she's in a
stable place. And listen, I'm not despeating the fact that

(44:53):
her being a sugar baby and she's being supported this way.
That's great for her. It's not a sustainable thing. But
in the interim good for her. I hope she's enjoying it,
and I hope she's putting aside for herself. But I
think if she could replace all the money and trigds
and the designer bags and all the other things she's getting,

(45:14):
if she could just go ahead and just have a
relationship with somebody that she can have children with, and
she can have a man who is protective and is
the love of her life and is you know, proper
and devoted and will give love that will surpass anything.
Could we have any financial value? If she could have

(45:36):
just had that? Would she want that? If she could
just have that, would she give up everything she's gotten
right now Los Angeles, Hollywood, be acting, the work, the money,
the lifestyle. Would she throw that away? Would she give
that up for real love?

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Not?

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Now? What about that young girl in Minnesota before all
this happened, Because the biggest thing that happened to her
is that it's unfortunately that young girl is not who
she is today. And one of the things I would
say for Margot is that, you know, I wonder if
she still is able to find who that young girl
was before she was traumatized, before all this happened to

(46:18):
her being exposed to soft core porn, being exposed to
bad boyfriends and bullying, and the kind of abuse she
went through. Imagine that because everything intensified, Remember that as
we look at what she went through before this transformant
a journey, she was early exposed to sexualization of severe

(46:42):
bullying to where she abandoned her artistic passions for business.
Achieving early success and then devistating experience is back to back.
It's like again, I've talked about a pattern of where
women have gone through trauma, this kind of emotional trauma,
and it intensifies comes something worse. So for her, it intensified.

(47:03):
It's a roller coaster and it just got bigger and bigger.
Abusive relationship at college, goes abroad to go study business,
human trafficking, attempts in Europe, a home invasion. When she
comes back, let her with deep anxiety and depression and
contemplation of suicide. That's near tragic and it's a shame

(47:24):
she took acting as a safe place to process her emotions.
And look at what she's done, which you know, a
lot of credit for her to try to try anything
and everything to try to get herself grounded again and
bring herself to some place so again. Hypnosis, the accidental,
her re exposure to her trauma, and acting class, pursuing

(47:45):
physical self defense, combating her depression, propelling her to her
career in stunts and action acting, and embodying her belief
that God chose to be a hero on screen after
being one in real life. Well, she's a survivor, aps
the survivor and bracing the power of no priorizing self care.
And she's going through various ventures right now, health, cheat codes, biohacking, microdosing,

(48:11):
all those things she wants to convert her paint. At
that time, she wanted to convert her painted the purpose
and inspiring others, particularly young girls, will be resilient, strong
and self aware take control of their own lives. That's
what she said at thirty years old, three years ago.
And today she's empowering woman in a different way. That
everyone should feel comfortable asking for what they need and

(48:33):
receiving it and any relationship. Now, I did not do
this podcast tonight to contradict or call any hypocrisy or
sanctimonious bullshit. She's saying, that's not what I'm here for.
I am not here to tear her down. And if

(48:54):
Margo hears this, that's not my intention. Please know that
this story got to me because I just saw this
here and I'm saying to myself, with other girls that
are out there, how many of those sugar babies have
gone through what Margo's gone through? Because that's an example
I've talked about before. This is a real example. The

(49:17):
only thing was is that in that podcast that she
did just a week ago, she didn't mention any of this.
None of that's going to come out. But I wanted
to go and do the research and realize the whole
story of Margo, because I think that whole story is
worth telling. Absolutely. And if this message gets out to
any of the young woman out there and you're hearing

(49:39):
this yourself and you can relate to Margo's story from
everything I'm telling you, from what I'm able to find
about her, I'd love to hear from you. If you're
catching this on YouTube, please go and leave a comment.
You want to leave an anonymous whatever you want to do.
If you want to just leave a comment in general,
King of Podcasts at yahoo dot com, leave it there

(50:00):
and just reach out. I love to go and hear
what you what you have for yourself and how you
feel about it. And also for the guys, I'd love
to go and get your take on this, because who
knows if Margo today would talk about all this. Obviously
for her probably not, because she feels like she's working
on it herself. She doesn't need to bring this to

(50:21):
anyone else. And I gotta understand that. And you know
what if I was in a situation where I was
trying to go and go out with her and I
wanted to know her more about her and find out
where she was and kind of analyze, you know, what's
what makes her take work, why she is in so
many different things at one time, and why she lives
the lights that she does, you know, behind the lifestyle,

(50:45):
behind this girl this in Los Angeles, it's the Hollywood
startling to be like this girl in Minnesota was a
different girl and that's been a long time ago. But
for Margot, as she hears this, after everything that you've
gone through, are you able to find a piece of

(51:06):
who you were back home? That you're still that young
girl that wanted to be noticed, had the attention, saw
so much in herself that a lot of people did
not look up to her about that looked down on her,
felt there was a jealousy something else going on that
caused it. Whatever that might be, I'm not here to judge.

(51:28):
I am the last to judge. All I did was
some research tonight and everything was able to be put together.
So it's the one part that I hope that in
her transformed the journey, that she doesn't lose part of herself.
I mean, the one thing is from everything I've seen her,
because obviously being in Hollywood, she is not gone at

(51:49):
the tattoos, She's not gone into anything where she's taken
away from herself. She's done things for herself to enhance,
but again it's the beauty thing. And what she's done
for herself is not any different than what a lot
of women have done out there in terms of enhancements,
breast augmentation, life pot things like that. Now, that's part
of the course. If she's happy, that's great, and if

(52:12):
what she's working on right now helps her, also great.
But I think the one part is that when she
goes down the line and maybe this lifestyle is not
what she wants to be a part of anymore, and
the acting doesn't stay consistent anymore, and there's another phase
in her life and she wants to settle down. I

(52:33):
think one of the things that she wants to be
able to find for herself no matter what, is whoever
that young girl was before all this happened, if she
could still find her inside of her, deep down inside
and bring that part out to the man that she's
going to be with the rest of her life or
whoever she's with, if she wants to find that another
who knows. I hope she can find that part of

(52:55):
her and she can bring that to the forefront, because
that would be a beautiful thing. Because I always believe like,
if you can find a party of yourself and bring
that back to you, it's saying, Okay, all these other
bad demons, all this history, all this that you've gone through,
has not defeated you. You haven't lost yourself completely. You've

(53:17):
not completely changed yourself because you feel like you need to.
All Right, There's other things I gonna be talking about tonight,
but I'll leave it there because I've gone along on
this and I must say, this is one of my
best episodes I've done. I'm really happy to have done this,
and this is the epitome of what this show is
all about. It's what I want to talk about. I

(53:40):
wouldn't have gone as long as I did if I
didn't think it was important. So I hope a lot
of people got a chance to go and go all
the way to the end of this episode and listen
to me on it. Thank you for doing that. But
I don't want to take away from her at all. Hey,
I'm you know, there are quite a few girls that
are out there that you know, we already know. There's
a lot of girls out there that there is something

(54:01):
about materialism and independence and what they want in life.
They want to just go out there and have fun,
and they don't have to go and go through what
Marco went through or other girls that have gone through
emotional trauma they have to go through either. They just
want to go ahead and have some fun they have
happened to be happening to them. They just get into

(54:22):
being a sugar baby because they want to be the
praise and the votress.

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