November 14, 2025 • 26 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
The story you're about to hear is true. The names
have been changed to protect the innocent. You're a detective sergeant.
You're assigned a robbery detail. A jewelry salesman is slugged
and robbed of twenty thousand dollars in precious stones. After
(00:30):
months of investigation, you'll finally discover the man responsible.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
For the hold up.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
You've got the evidence to prove him guilty. Your job
bring him in.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Dragnet.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
The document a drama of an actual crime. For the
next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police Department,
you will travel step by step on the side of
the law through an actual case. Transcribed from official police finance.
From beginning from crime to punishment, Dragnett is the story
of your police force and action.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Was Thursday, July eighteenth, was sultry in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
We were working the.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Day watch out of robbery detail. My partner's aid Jacobs.
The boss is Captain Diddyon. My name is Friday. It
was one thirty five pm when we got back to
the City Hall, the interrogation room.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
So now mister, yes, sir, you want to call a
captain and I'd let them nowhere bank.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Okay, I'd still like to know what this is all about,
sergeant dragging me down here in the middle.
Speaker 6 (01:36):
Of the day. I've got an office.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, it's just good. Fact good, Yeah, interrogation right.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
Let us check in you.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Yeah, I'm back work out finds. Would you please explain
what this is about? Why you've brought me down here?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
We think you know why.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
I don't. I haven't any idea.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Take me away from my star on a busy day,
you put a police guard on it, you insist on
bringing me down here.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
What's it all about? Tell me know you tell us,
mister Garvey, tell you about what? What? A jewel robbery?
Nine months ago? That hold up? What hold up?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
My store hasn't been talking about your friend Thomas Ashley?
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Ashley? What about him?
Speaker 7 (02:07):
We think you remember it nine months ago, parking lot
back of the building down on Poyt Street.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Oh sure, some hold up man slugged him and to
all his cases samples.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
But I remember it now for Tom.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
He've made a big haul, didn't he? Unset diame was
twenty thousand dollars worth. I remember it now. I don't
think Tom's gotten over it yet. It was a jewelry
salesman for the same company at the time, you know,
same company Tom was working for it.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
Yeah, we know all that.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Some of the big bosses thought Tom had a hand
in it. I figured it was a put up job.
Nothing was further from the truth. Yeah, so sure, I
know Tom. He's a close friend of mine. He wouldn't
be mixed up in a deal like that. Tom and
I worked out of the same office for years. We've
had him over the house for dinner. We've even been
on vacations together. It's one of the most honest men
I know.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
We be sure of all the sign Well, of course,
I'm sure that isn't why you called me down here,
is it? You don't think Tom had anything to do
with it robbery? Do you? You don't think he was
in on it?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
He had nothing to do with it. I think you
know that as well as we do.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
When why am I here? There's nothing I can tell
you about the hold up? Only what I heard from Tom,
what I read in the name. You can tell us
a lot more, Garvey. We didn't bring you just past
time a day.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Tom was sluck and his sample cases stones were taken.
That's all I can kill a liar, mister, what you
engineered the whole thing? We know it, and so to you.
Was this some kind of a joke If it is,
I think it's.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
In very long way from a joke. Garvey.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
You've planned the job, you got the loop. We can
give you chap in verse. I really think you're serious.
You think I robbed Tom. We're past the thinking stage, Garvey.
We already told you we know you robbed him. Oh
wait a minute.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
This thing is ridiculous, and the whole idea is ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
I don't know who gave you the so called information
on me, but it's wrong. There's nothing further from the truth.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Nobody gave us the information. We got it ourselves.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Really serious, I robbed Tom, and you can prove I didn't.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
You're getting the idea.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
I know what's say. It's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I robbed my best friend Tom, actually nine months ago.
I have twenty thousand dollars worth of diamonds and you
can prove every bit of it. Thought about it. I
think you're out of your mind. My name is George Garvey.
You sure I'm the man you want? There couldn't be
a mistake. No, there's no mistake. This thing would be
funny if I didn't think you were serious. Let me
ask you just one question. Maybe that'll clear it up
for you. If I held up tom Ashley, how is
(04:02):
it he didn't recognize him?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
You know better that guardy? What you didn't hold up
tom Ashley yourself? Yeah, I'm gonna do.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
It for you. Oh, I'll cloak and dagger.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
H I'm afraid this is getting a little too wild
for me.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Sergeant. Maybe you can waste time making ridiculous charges. I can.
I'm going back to my store.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Weekloup mistress not gonna do it.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
Excuse me? Are you sure you two men haven't been
drink it?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Down on?
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Mister Garvey, I told you I'm going to make my
store down.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Look, you have no right to keep me here. These
are ridiculous charges. You think I'm one of those cheap hoodlings.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
You used to deal. No, I come off at mister.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
You got a five thousand dollar car, a forty thousand
dollars home. That doesn't reach you a special treatment. You're
a thief. You know it as well as we do.
I don't have to take this from you. You haven't
got much choice. We just finished five months leg work
proving it, proving what right I said earlier.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
You engineered that hold up. We know who you got to.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Do it, we know how it was carried out, We
know how you're planning on disposing of the diamonds. We
know who your friends was, we know what the split was,
we know what you did with part of the money.
We know how much he got left. Right, Yeah, that's right.
What can I say? I don't even know what you're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I mean, what do you want it?
Speaker 6 (05:00):
Mister Garvey? Maybe you'd like to tell me why I
did always you know what better than we do. No,
I mean, and tell me you.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Weren't making enough money at your job to suit yourself
suit your wife either.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
It's pretty good, Maryland, get a big kick out of that.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
All right, fella, We can wait a lot as long
as you want. We spent nine months on this already.
In another few days, I'm gonna make that misdifference, just
as a matter of curiosity. How'd you first start off
on this tension? Whatever gave you the idea that I
had anything to do with.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
The whole up?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
When you started to spend money a new car, new
office for yourself, for a code for your wife, transferred
your two children to that private school. And that makes
a hold up man out of me because I wanted
to send my kids.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
To a better school.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Where the money come from? Can you explain that?
Speaker 6 (05:36):
But you think that's my business? Sergeant? Where I get
my money? What'd I do with it? How when you
get it? Stealing?
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I'm afraid you're going to just a little too far.
You insist I'm a thief, I'm gonna insist you prove it,
all right.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
Have a look over here, mister Garvey.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Yeah, some of the reports on the investigation reams of them.
They cover everything from the time of the jewel robbery
up the late yesterday. It's all right there, everything from
the crime report to science stable.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Well, how would that concern me?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Three quarters of the stuff concerns you. Have a look
for yourself.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
I still can't yet it straight in my mind. What
makes you think I had anything to do with that robbery?
Speaker 6 (06:07):
You know what this is, mister Garvey? This machine right here, No,
some kind of recording apparatus. That's right, it's a tape recorder.
You've been taking down this conversation, and why no not
this one.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
We've been recording every conversation that took place in your
office for.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
The last four months.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Every word, what do you mean just that, mister Garvey,
every time you talked on the.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
Phone, every visitor you had. It's all down on tape.
Twenty five reals of it.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
M interesting. Is that supposed to frighten me?
Speaker 5 (06:28):
No, we don't care if it frightens You're not.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Something else here.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Yes, the reports and what you've been doing for the
last four months, daily reports, every movement you made. That's
so everywhere you went, everybody you talk to, everything you did.
Wanna hear sample. This must be some kind of a joke.
It's the only explanation I can think of. May twelfth, Thursday.
Sergeant's Bitter Off and rapperty Those are the two officers
(06:54):
who were tailing you at the time you checked in
at your new office. At nine thirty eight am ten
oor three am. You had a visitor at Kenneth Tyson.
You talked to him, and your office conversations recorded. Tyson
left at ten eighteen am. At ten thirty two am,
you left your office. If you're trying to impress me,
I'm afraid it didn't working out very well.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Do you care for a cigarette jobbing?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
No thanks sign of my own All right, Oh, I've
wasted enough time. Exactly what's the point of all.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
It pretty simple. You're responsible for a robbery. We can
improve it. We're giving you a chance to make a statement.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
It's nonsense, is it.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Of course, people following me checking everything I do, where
I spend my money, where I send my kids to school.
What's it all about? It doesn't make any sense. All right,
mister Garvey. We've said it before. We can wait it
out as long as you want. Look, let's get this
thing straight. Let's go back to the beginning and take
it step by step.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
That's fine. The whole left was last fall, wasn't it
sometime in October?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
October seventh, Monday, uh twenty in the afternoon.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
All right, now, Just what am I supposed to have done?
None of your big references about a new coat for
my wife or where I send my kids to school.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Let's have some facts.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeh, alright, mister guard.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
And you went to work as a jewelry salesman for
the company ten years ago. Your friend Tom Ashley, the victim,
started the same year. The two of you have been
pretty close friends.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
That's right. I told you that I will skip the
rest of your background for now.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Two weeks before the robbery, on September twenty fourth.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
You had a meeting with the Kenneth Tyson. We met
in the cafeteria on the South Broadway.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Tyson's nineteen years old, who was with an older sister.
He works in the gas station. Only people where had
He's done some work in your carrent for That's.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
How you have to know him. So I think I
remember the boy. I don't know him well though I
don't recall him the meeting, he thought, Oh, you know
the boy very well.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
The time of the meeting, you promised him a thousand
dollars if you hold up your friend Tom Ashley, I
did did kill Tyson agreed to it, and you briefed
him on the plan. The following day, you gave him
a gun thirty two caliber Smith and Wesson serial number
three six two.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
Seven four nine. Since where did you get that in
from ash Tyson? Well, he's lying. Believe me if he
told you that he's lying.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Is he the one who robbed Tom October seventh at
your direction? And he was in a parking lot buying
the hunter Crosswell building. Tom actually came out to get
in his car. He had his case of sample diamonds
with him. Tyson held him up, slugg took the stones
and got away. Of course it's Abby's Tyson's trying to
say I put 'em up to it.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
He's trying to get out of it.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
That ply not mister Garvey boy couldn't have carried off
a hold up by himself.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Well, of course he could. It's obvious he's trying to
cover up.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
There were six people in the company you worked for.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
We knew that on Mondays actually always took the case
of sample diamonds along when he made his calls.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Only on Monday. You were one of the people who
knew that.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
I suppose you've considered the other five people and they.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Were all checked out at the time. They were all
cleared you along with him.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
But I'm not clear anymore. Is that it this young
hoodlum Tyson? You're willing to take his word over mine
after the robbery took the case of diamonds to you.
It was the next day you paid him five hundred
dollars and prompts from the nearly five hundred when he
got rid of the stones.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
Oh, I I suppose I've gotten rid of them, or
do I still have him?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Two months after the hold up, he contacted the fence
something in San Francisco. You drove up there and sold
him some of the stones, and he broke 'em up
and sold 'em.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
We know he saw 'em to.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
We know what he got for him with this fence.
He's supposed to be another good friend of mine. He's
still doing business with him. And then spread Lawrence said.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Who went on me?
Speaker 6 (09:54):
I don't know any Fred Lawrence can't even recall the name.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Now, maybe this will help you. Mister Garvey listened to
over the keeper Quarter. It's reel four and that day.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, I think so, all labeled there right on the
back of both Yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
Here we Oh what's all this about? Phone conversation, mister Garvey.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
One of the things were reported from your office.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
I told you about it before.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Let's see this one was on March eighteenth.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
I always thought wire tapping was against the law. Or
do you pay any attention to that?
Speaker 7 (10:23):
You didn't try the telephone line. We recorded everything. Come
take the grassroot install near your store and back in
your office. They started recording the day you moved in,
and that was the first March wasn't.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
I don't know why you're telling me. I can sue
you for that, you know, I can sue you for
your last dollar. All we're concerned with right now was
Fred Lawrence. You say you don't know what have you
listened to? This?
Speaker 4 (10:41):
This was recorded March eighteenth in your office, fourteen before
we go?
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Mm you am right?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Is the Lawrence?
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Sure? But not h right? How did you?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Oh? Good?
Speaker 6 (11:01):
Now are they fine? No? He at all hides you
know you's all.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
I believe he's a good kid. Nice alright?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Where uh, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
It might not be so good as you see? Kind
of here only your flat your thirty okay?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Fine?
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Appose eight thirty? You might like friends, my.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Dis your guardy?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Do you recognize that?
Speaker 6 (11:27):
How about a guard? I understand they can do clever things.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
But tape recorders nowadays there's a way of piecing words together.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Is in there.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
They can record your voice and then fix the tape.
Take a simple sentence and change the words around me
and just the opposite.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I mean, examine the tape.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
If you liked we didn't make a splice in or
at all, you'll find it the usual factory splice. It
just where it comes from the manufacturer. What difference does
it make?
Speaker 6 (11:45):
Anyway?
Speaker 4 (11:45):
There's nothing criminal about that conversation, I think at all.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
You told us a few minutes ago you didn't know
Fred Lawrence. You never heard of 'em. On that recording,
it sounds like you know him pretty well.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
It's a fairly common name, wouldn't you say, must be
quite a few Fred Lawrence's.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
I didn't happen to remember the name right off.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
How about Tyson? Tyson? He told us you didn't know
him well at all? I don't or it didn't sound.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
That way on that tape, did it. You were telling
Lawrence that he was all right? You said, believe me,
he's a good kid. Now what you said? How about it?
How about? What is this some kind of a frame?
What are you trying to make me say?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
I'm not gonna make you say anything, Garvey, we work
robbery detail.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
That's a job robberies. They pays to clean him up.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
I can pay you.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Well, never mind, I didn't mean that. I mean I
pay my taxes, I pay your salaries. I helped to anyway.
I don't know why I have to be treated like that.
No reason to make a big headache out of this
for anybody. Garvey, are you engineer to hold up? We
can prove that. We're giving you a chance to make
a statement. That's all we want. I have got nothing
to say. Make a statement about what all you're going
on is hearsay circumstantial evidence.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
You can't say I planned that, Rob, But you admit
you know Tyson? You know him well? I don't.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I admit nothing. What about the phone conversation?
Speaker 6 (12:49):
It's a fake? If only those things up all the time,
you know it as well as I do.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You'd made you know Fred Lawrence? Prove that from the recording?
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I admit nothing. You don't even know Tyson? Is that
what you want to say?
Speaker 6 (12:58):
I know him, that's all. He work on my car
a couple of times. I don't know him.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Well.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
All right, sir, I'd like to play you another recording.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Yet, so waste the time. I haven't got the whole
day to spend here. I gotta get back to my store.
I've got a business to offer. Long. Yeah, here we are,
April fifth.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
There's a lot of foolishness anyway. How do I know
you made those recordings?
Speaker 6 (13:16):
You could have gotten actors, maybe made 'em up yourselves.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
There weren't any dictographs. How do you make those sayings?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
There were dictographs, Metri Garvey.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
Remember before you moved into that new suite of offices,
you had them redecorated. Yes, there were sound technicians from
our crime lay about their working side by side of
the painters and carpenters installed dictographs in your store, them
back in your office about the entire place.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Wire tapping. I'll bring this into cord if it's the
last thing I do.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
Yeah, well, we already told you, mister Garvey, it's not
wire tapping. We didn't touch your phone. Minds, we didn't
have to this.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Invasion of privacy. I'm gonna take this into Chordia. Well,
let's listen to this recording. Might care if a few.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
Things clear up? What what are you trying to prove?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Okay, Joe's coming in here?
Speaker 6 (13:53):
They know this is aful fIF gam right? Oh? How
does well? Does they know him? An? Yeah? Okay, Tim, I's.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
You got my.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Iron's the garden?
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Yeah? How are you money to out?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
How you got in any way?
Speaker 6 (14:19):
Pretty good?
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Trying to get older you last week is.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
So hard to do.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
You know, I didn't very much?
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Pretty good? They have again in time to hear you
know the kids you go? You know I do.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Won't waste no time, like you know how the deal
was working out, the going back east?
Speaker 5 (14:30):
All me next month, like to get the rest.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
Of my money if I couldn't any It's just like
I told you the last time.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Can I'm sending yourself.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Nor the hope to hear in a couple of days.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
And I know that's what you told me before.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Was it a pretty heavy job?
Speaker 6 (14:40):
I could use the money? I mean it wasn't there
he every other minded I I gotta come, and I think,
h of course you do.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Can't.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
There's no question there instead that I haven't got it
right now.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Believe in you'd have it in a minute.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
If it we might have given you know, But that
was the agreement, wasn't it five hundred before the job,
five hundred after and have a last October.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
That's a pretty good stretch.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
All I can't. I told you the truth. I just
haven't got it now. Why don't you drop back in weekly?
So how about it, mister Garvey? What do you say
to that? It's ridiculous, that's all. It's an obvious fake.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
You can look at the tape if you like inspected,
if you can check every one of those twenty five reels,
we'll play every.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
One of them.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Or if you want fakes and they're bad ones and
that Now, look, I'll give you both a chance. Either
you book me in on a charge or else release me.
You try booking me in and I'll sue you for
false arrest. I'll break you, I'll see you blind. I
can promise you that, huh. Release me and I'll get
back to work. I'll forget all about it.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
Now you name it. Which one book me in or
release me? Oh, that's fair enough. You're gonna give us
a choice on bet. It's fair you could get in
a lot of hot water. Now it's up to you
which one you ran a bad bluff? Mister, we're booking
you in.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Thursday three point fifty five PM, Ed Jacobs and I
continued questioning the robbery suspect Ernest Garvey. Despite the evidence
at hand, he still refused to admit any knowledge of
the twenty thousand dollars jewels left nine months before the
questioning went on. Garby's answers became more and more confused.
We kept pressing, playing out the case against them. Step
by step four pm four thirty we stayed at it.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Must have taken quite a bit of money, didn't you, Carvey?
My wife knew for a coat new cor fore your shop?
Where'd you come from?
Speaker 6 (16:14):
Now? Look there has to be an answer. Where'd that
money come from? Simple?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I borrowed that, madge.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
You borrow some of it from friends, some from the banks.
I don't see how it concerns you.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
How much mind you borrow?
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Because you think that's my business? Wasn't it about seven
thousand dollars? Not about right? Yes? No, it was more.
Well what's the difference? It's my business? And you wanna
grab that phoner in and on with a dark round
that said, a right.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Complete financial following you, Mr Garvey, took us quite a
few weeks getting this together. A lot of we're must
like snooping in other people's affairs. No another especially it's
pretty dull. It's a copy of your bank statement. It's
a photo stat It doesn't make much sense. What do
you mean, Well, we checked your income for that month.
Out of the six hundred and twenty dollars and eighteen
cents your bank statement here shows you made deposits totaling
seven hundred and sixty dollars the same month. Now, how
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is that possible? For your information, I made a loan
that month. That's probably some of the loan money I deposited.
I quit my old job that time. I was going
in business for myself. I needed the money to redecorate
the new store in the office. It's as simple as that.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, I quotas test your loan papers right here.
Speaker 7 (17:13):
Loans for two thousand dollars in mine for that February
for three thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Another one in April too, that was for fifteen hundred
different back again, that's right.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Do we have to go over this line by line?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
In three months you made bank loans for six thousand,
five hundred dollars. Besides that, in the same three months
you were in a total of seventeen hundred and thirteen
dollars and eighty eight cents together. That makes eight thousand,
two hundred and thirteen dollars in eighty eight cents. What's
the point, hop is your bank statements Garvey. You have
five different savings accounts in five different banks. They show
from February to April, the same three months you made
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deposits of more than eleven thousand dollars.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
And how to you explain that?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Joy me?
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Any explanation? It's almost five o'clock. Can I use the phone?
I have to call my wife, and I don't know. Alright,
we'll have to listen in on the extension. Conversation's gonna
be mine.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
Yeah, I don't care. Okay, Down nine to get an
outside line, h.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
And order stats for examine Garvey, I see 'em.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
You wanna give us an explanation? You only get eighty
two hundred dollars? How could you bank eleven thousand? It
had to come from somewhere, didn't.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
It surely a personal matter, that's all. I borrowed three
thousand from a brother mine lives back in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
It already made three loans. Why you have to borrow
from your brother?
Speaker 6 (18:41):
You mind telling us?
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Yes, as a matter of fact, I do. I still
doesn't balance the books. Mister Garvey, you earned and borrowed
eighty two hundred dollars. You got another three thousand from
your brother. You say that's eleven thousand, two hundred. You
banked eleven thousand dollars.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
You always have to repeat I did leave you with
two hundred dollars. You and your family lived for three
months on two hundred dollars? Is that not that can
easily be a lot of people do it, yes, but
not your family. I'm getting sick and tired of this.
You're trying to tell me you know my family better
than I do. What they eat, what they spend, what
it takes to support them.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
We've been on the scene for nine months, Garvey. We
put in a lot of hours. You know your family
pretty well.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
If you like, I'll tody the last time he artag
steak from the meat market, when you paid your guess bill,
A last time you white bought a.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Pair of shoes.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
I guess this is standard procedure for you. I'm threatening people,
not threatening, mister Govey. We're giving you facts.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
There's another file here.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
It took us over a month to get this one together.
Complete record of your expenses where February first covers February, March, April,
May June.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
I hope the police department has a good lawyer. Sergeant.
You've done a fair warning, say you and your I'm sorry,
go ahead. I hope the police department has a good lawyer. Sergeant.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
You've got fair warning, I'm going to sue you for
your last time. Let me say you and your family
lived three months on two hundred dollars. That doesn't jibe
with what we've got here.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Take a look. If you want to advie forgeries, it's
all lies. I promise you.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
You got to stat of the receipt for your wife's
coach Garvey sixteen hundred and twelve dollars and thirty four cents.
That includes the tax paid four pushed out of the
contract for your new car, down payment two thousand dollars.
Flicker bill for the big part of you throw in
March March twentieth licker bill, three hundred and eighty seven dollars,
catering bill, one hundred and ninety four four year's check
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for tuition, room and board for your kids at the
private school you send 'em to.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
Eighteen hundred and sixty four dollars and seven cents. Well
that's only the beginning.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Garbage comes to a lot more than two hundred dollars.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
Have you heard enough? I met her trying to get
my wife again. I have to let her now and
had new handling extension whenever. Yeah, alright, go ahead down
line to get outside.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Talking. She might know I'm trying to get her stupid.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Well, wait a couple of minutes, you'll get through Gavin
on the phone all day long, gap on the phone
and play cards.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
It's tells you ever done it?
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Some more figures are for your Garby, would be a
good idea if you hear him built for two more
parties you through last month?
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Food built like it? Why do you have to keep
pushing that stuff at me?
Speaker 4 (21:07):
So you've been singing around finding out about my personal affairs.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
That's supposed to be good police workers.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
If this is the kind of rid of robbery, Garvey,
we're giving you a chance to make a statement like
what should I what for? Give you a statement? Have
you twisted around and incriminate me? I haven't had anything
to do with this kid, Tyson.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
I better try to call no downline person. I know,
I know you told it's a matter. It's a matter
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with her, stupid chill. I know I'm trying to get her.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Smilar Garby, if you get downline.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
And one more would you if you'll just play I
don't want to hear it. I'll just play a pace.
You think you're already here.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
In any same rail, or just pant it over there
to that other part.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Alright, tyson, mister Garvey, same place the office.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
All right.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
But you told me on the phone, you said you
had the dough for me today.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
You said to day's shirt.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
I wait a minute, tyson. I didn't say that at all.
I said maybe I'd have it for you. I didn't
say definitely. Look, I can't give you what I haven't got.
I want the five minute Darby I needed.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I stuck my neck out on a Robbie John.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
I get five to light.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
All right.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I don't be any pointer.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
You know, what do you say? Might not? Just don't. Yeah, And.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Man, she was never satisfied. She never couldn't be satisfied.
Always more she awas had him something. I don't put
him and your wife playing cards, gaping on the phone.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
That's all.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
She just kept riding me, day in day out. I
wasn't making enough money. She didn't have any clothes.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Kids ought to go to a better school. We ought
to have a new house, on and on.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
I ought to go in business for myself, make money,
lots of money. Same thing, all the time, talk talk talk,
There's only so much.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
You can take, you figured the robbery solved, the problem
is out it.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yes, so I would have tried anything just to shut
her up, get her off my back for a while.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
I guess he got Tyson out. The other man too,
Fred laugh.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Yeah, they were picked up a subternoon launch at the
airport toisement on the show Downtown, All three all at
the same time.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
What about your wife, Garvey, she know you played this robbery?
Why didn't tell her? I think she knows, though, pretty
sure she does. Maybe she'll be satisfied now. While I
was any money she had to have, it didn't even
leave me enough to pay off that kid, Tyson, private
school for the children, wall to wall, carpets in the house,
no dish washeror no coke, no car.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Everything. She just had to happen.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
H wanna take me? Book me up and I don't care.
We'll stop off down the hall, take your stables.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Sure, I don't care. All right, let's go I just
a minute. Him, Yeah, let me take him in him. Yeah,
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that's what I'm thinking. The story you have just heard
was true. The names were changed to protect the innocent.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
On November fourth, trial was held in Superior Court, Department
eighty seven, City and County of Los Angeles, State of
California in a moment the results of that trial.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Ernest W.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Garvey and Kenneth Tyson were tried and convicted of first
degree robbery one count and received sentences as prescribed by law.
Fred Lawrence was tried and convicted of receiving stolen property
one count. First degree robbery is punishable by imprisonment from
five years to life. Receiving stolen property as punishable by
a prison term of.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Not more than five years.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
You have just heard Dragnet, a series of authentic cases
from official files. Technical advice comes from the Office of
Chief of Police W. H. Parker, Los Angeles Police Department.
Heard Tonight where Barney Phillips, Vic Perrin, and Eddie Firestone
scripted by Jim Moser, music by Walter Schumann. Hell Gibney
speaking
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Is
The story you're about to hear is true. The names
have been changed to protect the innocent. You're a detective sergeant.
You're assigned a robbery detail. A jewelry salesman is slugged
and robbed of twenty thousand dollars in precious stones. After
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months of investigation, you'll finally discover the man responsible.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
For the hold up.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
You've got the evidence to prove him guilty. Your job
bring him in.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Dragnet.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
The document a drama of an actual crime. For the
next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles Police Department,
you will travel step by step on the side of
the law through an actual case. Transcribed from official police finance.
From beginning from crime to punishment, Dragnett is the story
of your police force and action.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Was Thursday, July eighteenth, was sultry in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
We were working the.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Day watch out of robbery detail. My partner's aid Jacobs.
The boss is Captain Diddyon. My name is Friday. It
was one thirty five pm when we got back to
the City Hall, the interrogation room.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
So now mister, yes, sir, you want to call a
captain and I'd let them nowhere bank.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Okay, I'd still like to know what this is all about,
sergeant dragging me down here in the middle.
Speaker 6 (01:36):
Of the day. I've got an office.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, it's just good. Fact good, Yeah, interrogation right.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
Let us check in you.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Yeah, I'm back work out finds. Would you please explain
what this is about? Why you've brought me down here?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
We think you know why.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
I don't. I haven't any idea.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Take me away from my star on a busy day,
you put a police guard on it, you insist on
bringing me down here.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
What's it all about? Tell me know you tell us,
mister Garvey, tell you about what? What? A jewel robbery?
Nine months ago? That hold up? What hold up?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
My store hasn't been talking about your friend Thomas Ashley?
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Ashley? What about him?
Speaker 7 (02:07):
We think you remember it nine months ago, parking lot
back of the building down on Poyt Street.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Oh sure, some hold up man slugged him and to
all his cases samples.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
But I remember it now for Tom.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
He've made a big haul, didn't he? Unset diame was
twenty thousand dollars worth. I remember it now. I don't
think Tom's gotten over it yet. It was a jewelry
salesman for the same company at the time, you know,
same company Tom was working for it.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
Yeah, we know all that.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Some of the big bosses thought Tom had a hand
in it. I figured it was a put up job.
Nothing was further from the truth. Yeah, so sure, I
know Tom. He's a close friend of mine. He wouldn't
be mixed up in a deal like that. Tom and
I worked out of the same office for years. We've
had him over the house for dinner. We've even been
on vacations together. It's one of the most honest men
I know.
Speaker 6 (02:45):
We be sure of all the sign Well, of course,
I'm sure that isn't why you called me down here,
is it? You don't think Tom had anything to do
with it robbery? Do you? You don't think he was
in on it?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
He had nothing to do with it. I think you
know that as well as we do.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
When why am I here? There's nothing I can tell
you about the hold up? Only what I heard from Tom,
what I read in the name. You can tell us
a lot more, Garvey. We didn't bring you just past
time a day.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Tom was sluck and his sample cases stones were taken.
That's all I can kill a liar, mister, what you
engineered the whole thing? We know it, and so to you.
Was this some kind of a joke If it is,
I think it's.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
In very long way from a joke. Garvey.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
You've planned the job, you got the loop. We can
give you chap in verse. I really think you're serious.
You think I robbed Tom. We're past the thinking stage, Garvey.
We already told you we know you robbed him. Oh
wait a minute.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
This thing is ridiculous, and the whole idea is ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
I don't know who gave you the so called information
on me, but it's wrong. There's nothing further from the truth.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Nobody gave us the information. We got it ourselves.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Really serious, I robbed Tom, and you can prove I didn't.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
You're getting the idea.
Speaker 6 (03:38):
I know what's say. It's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I robbed my best friend Tom, actually nine months ago.
I have twenty thousand dollars worth of diamonds and you
can prove every bit of it. Thought about it. I
think you're out of your mind. My name is George Garvey.
You sure I'm the man you want? There couldn't be
a mistake. No, there's no mistake. This thing would be
funny if I didn't think you were serious. Let me
ask you just one question. Maybe that'll clear it up
for you. If I held up tom Ashley, how is
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it he didn't recognize him?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
You know better that guardy? What you didn't hold up
tom Ashley yourself? Yeah, I'm gonna do.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
It for you. Oh, I'll cloak and dagger.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
H I'm afraid this is getting a little too wild
for me.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Sergeant. Maybe you can waste time making ridiculous charges. I can.
I'm going back to my store.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Weekloup mistress not gonna do it.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
Excuse me? Are you sure you two men haven't been
drink it?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Down on?
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Mister Garvey, I told you I'm going to make my
store down.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Look, you have no right to keep me here. These
are ridiculous charges. You think I'm one of those cheap hoodlings.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
You used to deal. No, I come off at mister.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
You got a five thousand dollar car, a forty thousand
dollars home. That doesn't reach you a special treatment. You're
a thief. You know it as well as we do.
I don't have to take this from you. You haven't
got much choice. We just finished five months leg work
proving it, proving what right I said earlier.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
You engineered that hold up. We know who you got to.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Do it, we know how it was carried out, We
know how you're planning on disposing of the diamonds. We
know who your friends was, we know what the split was,
we know what you did with part of the money.
We know how much he got left. Right, Yeah, that's right.
What can I say? I don't even know what you're
talking about.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I mean, what do you want it?
Speaker 6 (05:00):
Mister Garvey? Maybe you'd like to tell me why I
did always you know what better than we do. No,
I mean, and tell me you.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Weren't making enough money at your job to suit yourself
suit your wife either.
Speaker 6 (05:08):
It's pretty good, Maryland, get a big kick out of that.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
All right, fella, We can wait a lot as long
as you want. We spent nine months on this already.
In another few days, I'm gonna make that misdifference, just
as a matter of curiosity. How'd you first start off
on this tension? Whatever gave you the idea that I
had anything to do with.
Speaker 6 (05:24):
The whole up?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
When you started to spend money a new car, new
office for yourself, for a code for your wife, transferred
your two children to that private school. And that makes
a hold up man out of me because I wanted
to send my kids.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
To a better school.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Where the money come from? Can you explain that?
Speaker 6 (05:36):
But you think that's my business? Sergeant? Where I get
my money? What'd I do with it? How when you
get it? Stealing?
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I'm afraid you're going to just a little too far.
You insist I'm a thief, I'm gonna insist you prove it,
all right.
Speaker 6 (05:46):
Have a look over here, mister Garvey.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Yeah, some of the reports on the investigation reams of them.
They cover everything from the time of the jewel robbery
up the late yesterday. It's all right there, everything from
the crime report to science stable.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Well, how would that concern me?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Three quarters of the stuff concerns you. Have a look
for yourself.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
I still can't yet it straight in my mind. What
makes you think I had anything to do with that robbery?
Speaker 6 (06:07):
You know what this is, mister Garvey? This machine right here, No,
some kind of recording apparatus. That's right, it's a tape recorder.
You've been taking down this conversation, and why no not
this one.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
We've been recording every conversation that took place in your
office for.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
The last four months.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Every word, what do you mean just that, mister Garvey,
every time you talked on the.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
Phone, every visitor you had. It's all down on tape.
Twenty five reals of it.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
M interesting. Is that supposed to frighten me?
Speaker 5 (06:28):
No, we don't care if it frightens You're not.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
Something else here.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Yes, the reports and what you've been doing for the
last four months, daily reports, every movement you made. That's
so everywhere you went, everybody you talk to, everything you did.
Wanna hear sample. This must be some kind of a joke.
It's the only explanation I can think of. May twelfth, Thursday.
Sergeant's Bitter Off and rapperty Those are the two officers
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who were tailing you at the time you checked in
at your new office. At nine thirty eight am ten
oor three am. You had a visitor at Kenneth Tyson.
You talked to him, and your office conversations recorded. Tyson
left at ten eighteen am. At ten thirty two am,
you left your office. If you're trying to impress me,
I'm afraid it didn't working out very well.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Do you care for a cigarette jobbing?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
No thanks sign of my own All right, Oh, I've
wasted enough time. Exactly what's the point of all.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
It pretty simple. You're responsible for a robbery. We can
improve it. We're giving you a chance to make a statement.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
It's nonsense, is it.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Of course, people following me checking everything I do, where
I spend my money, where I send my kids to school.
What's it all about? It doesn't make any sense. All right,
mister Garvey. We've said it before. We can wait it
out as long as you want. Look, let's get this
thing straight. Let's go back to the beginning and take
it step by step.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
That's fine. The whole left was last fall, wasn't it
sometime in October?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
October seventh, Monday, uh twenty in the afternoon.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
All right, now, Just what am I supposed to have done?
None of your big references about a new coat for
my wife or where I send my kids to school.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Let's have some facts.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeh, alright, mister guard.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
And you went to work as a jewelry salesman for
the company ten years ago. Your friend Tom Ashley, the victim,
started the same year. The two of you have been
pretty close friends.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
That's right. I told you that I will skip the
rest of your background for now.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
Two weeks before the robbery, on September twenty fourth.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
You had a meeting with the Kenneth Tyson. We met
in the cafeteria on the South Broadway.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Tyson's nineteen years old, who was with an older sister.
He works in the gas station. Only people where had
He's done some work in your carrent for That's.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
How you have to know him. So I think I
remember the boy. I don't know him well though I
don't recall him the meeting, he thought, Oh, you know
the boy very well.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
The time of the meeting, you promised him a thousand
dollars if you hold up your friend Tom Ashley, I
did did kill Tyson agreed to it, and you briefed
him on the plan. The following day, you gave him
a gun thirty two caliber Smith and Wesson serial number
three six two.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
Seven four nine. Since where did you get that in
from ash Tyson? Well, he's lying. Believe me if he
told you that he's lying.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Is he the one who robbed Tom October seventh at
your direction? And he was in a parking lot buying
the hunter Crosswell building. Tom actually came out to get
in his car. He had his case of sample diamonds
with him. Tyson held him up, slugg took the stones
and got away. Of course it's Abby's Tyson's trying to
say I put 'em up to it.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
He's trying to get out of it.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
That ply not mister Garvey boy couldn't have carried off
a hold up by himself.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Well, of course he could. It's obvious he's trying to
cover up.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
There were six people in the company you worked for.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
We knew that on Mondays actually always took the case
of sample diamonds along when he made his calls.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Only on Monday. You were one of the people who
knew that.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
I suppose you've considered the other five people and they.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Were all checked out at the time. They were all
cleared you along with him.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
But I'm not clear anymore. Is that it this young
hoodlum Tyson? You're willing to take his word over mine
after the robbery took the case of diamonds to you.
It was the next day you paid him five hundred
dollars and prompts from the nearly five hundred when he
got rid of the stones.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
Oh, I I suppose I've gotten rid of them, or
do I still have him?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Two months after the hold up, he contacted the fence
something in San Francisco. You drove up there and sold
him some of the stones, and he broke 'em up
and sold 'em.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
We know he saw 'em to.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
We know what he got for him with this fence.
He's supposed to be another good friend of mine. He's
still doing business with him. And then spread Lawrence said.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Who went on me?
Speaker 6 (09:54):
I don't know any Fred Lawrence can't even recall the name.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Now, maybe this will help you. Mister Garvey listened to
over the keeper Quarter. It's reel four and that day.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, I think so, all labeled there right on the
back of both Yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
Here we Oh what's all this about? Phone conversation, mister Garvey.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
One of the things were reported from your office.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
I told you about it before.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Let's see this one was on March eighteenth.
Speaker 6 (10:19):
I always thought wire tapping was against the law. Or
do you pay any attention to that?
Speaker 7 (10:23):
You didn't try the telephone line. We recorded everything. Come
take the grassroot install near your store and back in
your office. They started recording the day you moved in,
and that was the first March wasn't.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
I don't know why you're telling me. I can sue
you for that, you know, I can sue you for
your last dollar. All we're concerned with right now was
Fred Lawrence. You say you don't know what have you
listened to? This?
Speaker 4 (10:41):
This was recorded March eighteenth in your office, fourteen before
we go?
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Mm you am right?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Is the Lawrence?
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (10:54):
Sure? But not h right? How did you?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Oh? Good?
Speaker 6 (11:01):
Now are they fine? No? He at all hides you
know you's all.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
I believe he's a good kid. Nice alright?
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Where uh, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (11:12):
It might not be so good as you see? Kind
of here only your flat your thirty okay?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Fine?
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Appose eight thirty? You might like friends, my.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Dis your guardy?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Do you recognize that?
Speaker 6 (11:27):
How about a guard? I understand they can do clever things.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
But tape recorders nowadays there's a way of piecing words together.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Is in there.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
They can record your voice and then fix the tape.
Take a simple sentence and change the words around me
and just the opposite.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
I mean, examine the tape.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
If you liked we didn't make a splice in or
at all, you'll find it the usual factory splice. It
just where it comes from the manufacturer. What difference does
it make?
Speaker 6 (11:45):
Anyway?
Speaker 4 (11:45):
There's nothing criminal about that conversation, I think at all.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
You told us a few minutes ago you didn't know
Fred Lawrence. You never heard of 'em. On that recording,
it sounds like you know him pretty well.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
It's a fairly common name, wouldn't you say, must be
quite a few Fred Lawrence's.
Speaker 6 (11:56):
I didn't happen to remember the name right off.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
How about Tyson? Tyson? He told us you didn't know
him well at all? I don't or it didn't sound.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
That way on that tape, did it. You were telling
Lawrence that he was all right? You said, believe me,
he's a good kid. Now what you said? How about it?
How about? What is this some kind of a frame?
What are you trying to make me say?
Speaker 4 (12:15):
I'm not gonna make you say anything, Garvey, we work
robbery detail.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
That's a job robberies. They pays to clean him up.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
I can pay you.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Well, never mind, I didn't mean that. I mean I
pay my taxes, I pay your salaries. I helped to anyway.
I don't know why I have to be treated like that.
No reason to make a big headache out of this
for anybody. Garvey, are you engineer to hold up? We
can prove that. We're giving you a chance to make
a statement. That's all we want. I have got nothing
to say. Make a statement about what all you're going
on is hearsay circumstantial evidence.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
You can't say I planned that, Rob, But you admit
you know Tyson? You know him well? I don't.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I admit nothing. What about the phone conversation?
Speaker 6 (12:49):
It's a fake? If only those things up all the time,
you know it as well as I do.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
You'd made you know Fred Lawrence? Prove that from the recording?
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I admit nothing. You don't even know Tyson? Is that
what you want to say?
Speaker 6 (12:58):
I know him, that's all. He work on my car
a couple of times. I don't know him.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Well.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
All right, sir, I'd like to play you another recording.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
Yet, so waste the time. I haven't got the whole
day to spend here. I gotta get back to my store.
I've got a business to offer. Long. Yeah, here we are,
April fifth.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
There's a lot of foolishness anyway. How do I know
you made those recordings?
Speaker 6 (13:16):
You could have gotten actors, maybe made 'em up yourselves.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
There weren't any dictographs. How do you make those sayings?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
There were dictographs, Metri Garvey.
Speaker 7 (13:24):
Remember before you moved into that new suite of offices,
you had them redecorated. Yes, there were sound technicians from
our crime lay about their working side by side of
the painters and carpenters installed dictographs in your store, them
back in your office about the entire place.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Wire tapping. I'll bring this into cord if it's the
last thing I do.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
Yeah, well, we already told you, mister Garvey, it's not
wire tapping. We didn't touch your phone. Minds, we didn't
have to this.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Invasion of privacy. I'm gonna take this into Chordia. Well,
let's listen to this recording. Might care if a few.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
Things clear up? What what are you trying to prove?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Okay, Joe's coming in here?
Speaker 6 (13:53):
They know this is aful fIF gam right? Oh? How
does well? Does they know him? An? Yeah? Okay, Tim, I's.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
You got my.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Iron's the garden?
Speaker 6 (14:15):
Yeah? How are you money to out?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
How you got in any way?
Speaker 6 (14:19):
Pretty good?
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Trying to get older you last week is.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
So hard to do.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
You know, I didn't very much?
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Pretty good? They have again in time to hear you
know the kids you go? You know I do.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Won't waste no time, like you know how the deal
was working out, the going back east?
Speaker 5 (14:30):
All me next month, like to get the rest.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
Of my money if I couldn't any It's just like
I told you the last time.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Can I'm sending yourself.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Nor the hope to hear in a couple of days.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
And I know that's what you told me before.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Was it a pretty heavy job?
Speaker 6 (14:40):
I could use the money? I mean it wasn't there
he every other minded I I gotta come, and I think,
h of course you do.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Can't.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
There's no question there instead that I haven't got it
right now.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Believe in you'd have it in a minute.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
If it we might have given you know, But that
was the agreement, wasn't it five hundred before the job,
five hundred after and have a last October.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
That's a pretty good stretch.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
All I can't. I told you the truth. I just
haven't got it now. Why don't you drop back in weekly?
So how about it, mister Garvey? What do you say
to that? It's ridiculous, that's all. It's an obvious fake.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
You can look at the tape if you like inspected,
if you can check every one of those twenty five reels,
we'll play every.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
One of them.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Or if you want fakes and they're bad ones and
that Now, look, I'll give you both a chance. Either
you book me in on a charge or else release me.
You try booking me in and I'll sue you for
false arrest. I'll break you, I'll see you blind. I
can promise you that, huh. Release me and I'll get
back to work. I'll forget all about it.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
Now you name it. Which one book me in or
release me? Oh, that's fair enough. You're gonna give us
a choice on bet. It's fair you could get in
a lot of hot water. Now it's up to you
which one you ran a bad bluff? Mister, we're booking
you in.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Thursday three point fifty five PM, Ed Jacobs and I
continued questioning the robbery suspect Ernest Garvey. Despite the evidence
at hand, he still refused to admit any knowledge of
the twenty thousand dollars jewels left nine months before the
questioning went on. Garby's answers became more and more confused.
We kept pressing, playing out the case against them. Step
by step four pm four thirty we stayed at it.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Must have taken quite a bit of money, didn't you, Carvey?
My wife knew for a coat new cor fore your shop?
Where'd you come from?
Speaker 6 (16:14):
Now? Look there has to be an answer. Where'd that
money come from? Simple?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I borrowed that, madge.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
You borrow some of it from friends, some from the banks.
I don't see how it concerns you.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
How much mind you borrow?
Speaker 6 (16:23):
Because you think that's my business? Wasn't it about seven
thousand dollars? Not about right? Yes? No, it was more.
Well what's the difference? It's my business? And you wanna
grab that phoner in and on with a dark round
that said, a right.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Complete financial following you, Mr Garvey, took us quite a
few weeks getting this together. A lot of we're must
like snooping in other people's affairs. No another especially it's
pretty dull. It's a copy of your bank statement. It's
a photo stat It doesn't make much sense. What do
you mean, Well, we checked your income for that month.
Out of the six hundred and twenty dollars and eighteen
cents your bank statement here shows you made deposits totaling
seven hundred and sixty dollars the same month. Now, how
(16:58):
is that possible? For your information, I made a loan
that month. That's probably some of the loan money I deposited.
I quit my old job that time. I was going
in business for myself. I needed the money to redecorate
the new store in the office. It's as simple as that.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, I quotas test your loan papers right here.
Speaker 7 (17:13):
Loans for two thousand dollars in mine for that February
for three thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Another one in April too, that was for fifteen hundred
different back again, that's right.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Do we have to go over this line by line?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
In three months you made bank loans for six thousand,
five hundred dollars. Besides that, in the same three months
you were in a total of seventeen hundred and thirteen
dollars and eighty eight cents together. That makes eight thousand,
two hundred and thirteen dollars in eighty eight cents. What's
the point, hop is your bank statements Garvey. You have
five different savings accounts in five different banks. They show
from February to April, the same three months you made
(17:45):
deposits of more than eleven thousand dollars.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
And how to you explain that?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Joy me?
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Any explanation? It's almost five o'clock. Can I use the phone?
I have to call my wife, and I don't know. Alright,
we'll have to listen in on the extension. Conversation's gonna
be mine.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
Yeah, I don't care. Okay, Down nine to get an
outside line, h.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
And order stats for examine Garvey, I see 'em.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
You wanna give us an explanation? You only get eighty
two hundred dollars? How could you bank eleven thousand? It
had to come from somewhere, didn't.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
It surely a personal matter, that's all. I borrowed three
thousand from a brother mine lives back in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
It already made three loans. Why you have to borrow
from your brother?
Speaker 6 (18:41):
You mind telling us?
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Yes, as a matter of fact, I do. I still
doesn't balance the books. Mister Garvey, you earned and borrowed
eighty two hundred dollars. You got another three thousand from
your brother. You say that's eleven thousand, two hundred. You
banked eleven thousand dollars.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Yes, that's right.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
You always have to repeat I did leave you with
two hundred dollars. You and your family lived for three
months on two hundred dollars? Is that not that can
easily be a lot of people do it, yes, but
not your family. I'm getting sick and tired of this.
You're trying to tell me you know my family better
than I do. What they eat, what they spend, what
it takes to support them.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
We've been on the scene for nine months, Garvey. We
put in a lot of hours. You know your family
pretty well.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
If you like, I'll tody the last time he artag
steak from the meat market, when you paid your guess bill,
A last time you white bought a.
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Pair of shoes.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
I guess this is standard procedure for you. I'm threatening people,
not threatening, mister Govey. We're giving you facts.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
There's another file here.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
It took us over a month to get this one together.
Complete record of your expenses where February first covers February, March, April,
May June.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
I hope the police department has a good lawyer. Sergeant.
You've done a fair warning, say you and your I'm sorry,
go ahead. I hope the police department has a good lawyer. Sergeant.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
You've got fair warning, I'm going to sue you for
your last time. Let me say you and your family
lived three months on two hundred dollars. That doesn't jibe
with what we've got here.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Take a look. If you want to advie forgeries, it's
all lies. I promise you.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
You got to stat of the receipt for your wife's
coach Garvey sixteen hundred and twelve dollars and thirty four cents.
That includes the tax paid four pushed out of the
contract for your new car, down payment two thousand dollars.
Flicker bill for the big part of you throw in
March March twentieth licker bill, three hundred and eighty seven dollars,
catering bill, one hundred and ninety four four year's check
(20:13):
for tuition, room and board for your kids at the
private school you send 'em to.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
Eighteen hundred and sixty four dollars and seven cents. Well
that's only the beginning.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Garbage comes to a lot more than two hundred dollars.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
Have you heard enough? I met her trying to get
my wife again. I have to let her now and
had new handling extension whenever. Yeah, alright, go ahead down
line to get outside.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
Talking. She might know I'm trying to get her stupid.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Well, wait a couple of minutes, you'll get through Gavin
on the phone all day long, gap on the phone
and play cards.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
It's tells you ever done it?
Speaker 4 (20:59):
Some more figures are for your Garby, would be a
good idea if you hear him built for two more
parties you through last month?
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Food built like it? Why do you have to keep
pushing that stuff at me?
Speaker 4 (21:07):
So you've been singing around finding out about my personal affairs.
Speaker 6 (21:10):
That's supposed to be good police workers.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
If this is the kind of rid of robbery, Garvey,
we're giving you a chance to make a statement like
what should I what for? Give you a statement? Have
you twisted around and incriminate me? I haven't had anything
to do with this kid, Tyson.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
I better try to call no downline person. I know,
I know you told it's a matter. It's a matter
(21:41):
with her, stupid chill. I know I'm trying to get her.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Smilar Garby, if you get downline.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
And one more would you if you'll just play I
don't want to hear it. I'll just play a pace.
You think you're already here.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
In any same rail, or just pant it over there
to that other part.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Alright, tyson, mister Garvey, same place the office.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
All right.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
But you told me on the phone, you said you
had the dough for me today.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
You said to day's shirt.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
I wait a minute, tyson. I didn't say that at all.
I said maybe I'd have it for you. I didn't
say definitely. Look, I can't give you what I haven't got.
I want the five minute Darby I needed.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I stuck my neck out on a Robbie John.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
I get five to light.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
All right.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I don't be any pointer.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
You know, what do you say? Might not? Just don't. Yeah, And.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Man, she was never satisfied. She never couldn't be satisfied.
Always more she awas had him something. I don't put
him and your wife playing cards, gaping on the phone.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
That's all.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
She just kept riding me, day in day out. I
wasn't making enough money. She didn't have any clothes.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Kids ought to go to a better school. We ought
to have a new house, on and on.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
I ought to go in business for myself, make money,
lots of money. Same thing, all the time, talk talk talk,
There's only so much.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
You can take, you figured the robbery solved, the problem
is out it.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yes, so I would have tried anything just to shut
her up, get her off my back for a while.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
I guess he got Tyson out. The other man too,
Fred laugh.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Yeah, they were picked up a subternoon launch at the
airport toisement on the show Downtown, All three all at
the same time.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
What about your wife, Garvey, she know you played this robbery?
Why didn't tell her? I think she knows, though, pretty
sure she does. Maybe she'll be satisfied now. While I
was any money she had to have, it didn't even
leave me enough to pay off that kid, Tyson, private
school for the children, wall to wall, carpets in the house,
no dish washeror no coke, no car.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
Everything. She just had to happen.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
H wanna take me? Book me up and I don't care.
We'll stop off down the hall, take your stables.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Sure, I don't care. All right, let's go I just
a minute. Him, Yeah, let me take him in him. Yeah,
(24:37):
that's what I'm thinking. The story you have just heard
was true. The names were changed to protect the innocent.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
On November fourth, trial was held in Superior Court, Department
eighty seven, City and County of Los Angeles, State of
California in a moment the results of that trial.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Ernest W.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Garvey and Kenneth Tyson were tried and convicted of first
degree robbery one count and received sentences as prescribed by law.
Fred Lawrence was tried and convicted of receiving stolen property
one count. First degree robbery is punishable by imprisonment from
five years to life. Receiving stolen property as punishable by
a prison term of.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Not more than five years.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
You have just heard Dragnet, a series of authentic cases
from official files. Technical advice comes from the Office of
Chief of Police W. H. Parker, Los Angeles Police Department.
Heard Tonight where Barney Phillips, Vic Perrin, and Eddie Firestone
scripted by Jim Moser, music by Walter Schumann. Hell Gibney
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Speaker 6 (26:02):
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