Found Footage- LIVE!! Film Foundations Microgenre: An Intro to Blair Witch, Cloverfield, and more!!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:29):
I want to move back because it's been quite some
time to film. Foundations the collaborative show between weirding Way
Media and Someone's Favorite Productions. I am your co host,
Chris Dashu from the aforementioned weirding Way Media.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
And I'm the other co host, Ryan Verrell from Someone's
Favorite Productions.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
On this show, we ask an answer for questions about
a given topic that is surrounding either an actor, director, franchise,
or microgenre. In this episode's case, it will be the
micro genre known as found fog. Our job is to
entice you to broaden your horizons on film, to encourage
you to travel down film tangents in the side roads
that you may have never traveled otherwise. We have no

(01:10):
guests today. It's just me and you.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Technically we do have a guest. Our guest is the chat.
They're the guest. You get to be part of this.
This is your fault, Geez, Louise found footage. Huh. It
feels like we're finally here. It feels like it only
took two years to get back to this point. I
guess because we've known each other for going on two
years now.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, a little bit, yeah, it's getting close.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, I guess it is twenty twenty five. I thought
it was twenty twenty four. For some reason we did
meet twenty three. That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, tonight is going to be a long conversation because
fan footage is interesting with how many genres it steeps through,
how many like micro micro genres in found footage you
can have with the Possession films or with the monster
films or what have you. Obviously we got to get
through some of the history behind this. What what was

(02:02):
your first four ray with footage mine?

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, I believe it was Cloverfield's. I believe if memory
serves that sounds about right. I didn't see Blair Witch
when it came out. Would not have been a thing
that I would have watched. I guess. Well, technically, the
first found footage thing I ever saw was We'll see
if anybody in the chat pops for it, because it's
it's a funny thing as far as I'm concerned, Alien

(02:28):
autopsy factor fiction on like, oh my god, like Fox,
do you remember that?

Speaker 2 (02:34):
I should?

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Jonathan Frakes nice guy, by the way, I got to
interview him a couple of years ago. Jonathan Frakes hosted.
Like the footage of that that was probably the first
found footage thing I ever saw, actually, to be honest,
and that scared the shit out of me. I mean,
I know it's fake now as an adult, but I
enjoy I mean I enjoy it now watching it. There's
a there's a monologue that Jonathan Frakes does at the

(02:56):
end that man, it's just grave. He's like, imagine if
you will, the aliens are real, and it's just like
he's so sincere and again like he's such a nice guy.
I mean, like me having interviewed him does not factor
into it at all, Like I was a fan of
that long before. But yeah, that for me is probably
I think the first thing I can remember. And then
in terms of like quote movies unquote, I think it's

(03:18):
probably Clover feel Yeah that sounds about yeah, I think, yeah, yeah.
There wasn't like a glut of them for a while,
and then there just kind of was like you know
what I mean, like there was there, there weren't and
then all of a sudden it's like we just couldn't
escape them. So yeah, that's that's that's mine. What about you?

Speaker 2 (03:40):
I I'm trying to remember in piece together the timeline
in my mind because it was either Blair Witch Project
or one that uh a lot of people forget is
found footage. But Cannibal Holocaust. Yeah, I can't remember which
one of those I saw first. Both, Uh, you know,
Blair Witch Project, obvious is a phenomenon that it came

(04:02):
out when I was twelve, I guess, and probably saw
when I.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Was fifteen or sixteen, But I imagine I.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Saw Cannibal Holocaust for the first time right before then.
I think, yeah, this is obviously the like, the original
fan footage for many people is Cannibell Holocaust, and it's
one of those first like notorious films that has this
aforementioned reputation of being so real that Diodato had to

(04:30):
take some of the actors to court and prove that
they were still alive. You've got the phenomenon through Blair
Witch Project. You got another phenomenon through Cloverfield. I love
how many of these in our minds have turned into
event films. And then you have stuff like Paranormal Activity.
That is another great one that I fell in love
with love those first few and that first one, obviously,

(04:53):
you know, many of us will remember that trailer where
they showed nothing from the film basically, but mostly just
people in the theater's reactions with night vision on seeing
them react to this, and then it suddenly made all
of the money. Ever, Yeah, I love a lot of
fan footage. I think Cannibal Holocaust probably came slightly before

(05:15):
Blair Witch. But it's an interesting genre. You just mentioned
one of the reasons, and that's you know, around you know,
the response to Cloverfield. So probably like two thousand and
nine or ten, we started getting way too many footage. Yeah,
And that's not to say that none of them are good,
because there's still quite a few that came out that

(05:36):
were great in the twenty tens. We're still seeing some
of them come out in recent years, but some of
them are truly just horrific, and people that love fan
footage for that period, you could sometimes watch ten or
fifteen of these before you watch a good one for
the first time in a while.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah, I will say, as far as I'm concerned, And
you said, like good, fan footage such a hard genre
to say good and bad because so much of it,
So much of it is about the conceit and like
selling the conceit because that's that's the problem with Cloverfield
is the the conceits never really sold as well as
I think they wanted to be sold, which is fine,

(06:16):
but I feel like, I don't know found like like
you said, like there's a lot of really bad found
footage movies, and it's like, I'm not like trying to
be mean, like, oh, subjectively they're bad, Like no, they're
objectively kind of not great. Like objectively they're kind of
not great. And I, again, as someone who's seen a
fair amount of found footage movies, I can say that,
but I don't like to. But also when you get

(06:38):
again something like Cloverfield, that is so I don't know,
such a big thing kind of in the industry. It
really moved the needle in a lot of ways, Like
it's the I don't want to get ahead of myself here,
but in a lot of ways it might be the
found footage movie. Everybody's gonna copy it, so it's not surprising.

(06:58):
But in my mind at least, found footage is just
it's a genre where either you like it or you don't,
and I don't feel like there's a lot of there's
a lot of room in between my wrong, No.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
I think you're absolutely right, and I think that one
thing that we're going to talk about tonight, our question
number two that we always cover, is going to be
kind of a crucial question because there are many there
are many opportunities for missteps if you are new to
found footage, and the way we always approach this is
essentially like, imagine if you've never seen any of this,

(07:29):
and I understand that for this micro genre, like some
of the episodes that we've done, this one's gonna be
kind of difficult for you have never seen any of them.
But maybe maybe this is about you really like diving
in and saying, you know, I kind of liked this
one I saw, but I really want to approach the
genre as a whole from a new point of view
or perspective that that first film that you watch could

(07:51):
kind of color how you view everything.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
So if you're watching something that was like a Sci
Fi Channel original from two thousand and eleven, it's probably
gonna put you off. But there are genuinely, like some
some no budget masterpieces in this micro genre that are
truly like some of my favorite films, just based on
the way that they're made and they make you feel

(08:16):
and they immerse you in the storyline.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
I agree, I'm really excited. There's there's a lot of
movies that we're going to talk about that I really like.
And there's a lot of movies that are gonna come
up that are real not great, a really great, real
real not great ones, and there are a lot of them.
A lot of them have to do with paranormal activity well.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
And one thing that we do sometimes is after the
first couple of questions, really before we get into number three,
we'll kind of list like, Hey, what are some other
big ones that just we haven't had a chance to
talk about. So as we're answering the questions here, make
sure you're answering the chat and get ready for that
conversation before question three, because we're gonna be talking about
a lot of titles tonight for sure.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah. There, Ryan's gonna have his work platform with all
of the movies he's gonna have to list yep. So
on that note, let's get to the first question. Ryan Verel,
spend like seven months since we've done one of these together,
you maybe don't even remember what the question is. What
do you consider to be a foundational title for found footage.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Well, I from the sound of it, we're gonna have
two different ones here, and I think that's a good
choice so that we can wax poetic about both of
these in a different way, which, funny enough, or they
both kind of come back to marketing and word of mouth.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna really show some love for
Blair rich project here. This to me is the main one.

(09:37):
You don't have to think that it's scary necessarily, you
don't have to be mystified by the ending, but there
is something about being lost in that sort of no
budget filmmaking magic here that really is a staple to
this micro genre. And you know we've talked about this
on the show before, but the marketing behind this where

(09:59):
literally they went and showed a cut of this at
cann and then just the word of mouth from that
started traveling and people were trading tapes of this, and
this whole like wildfire of a title started spreading like
from college campuses. People were starting to fall in love
with this movie that they couldn't even see yet, and

(10:20):
so when it finally released and they were able to
get it, it was something that the community was like
starving for it was something that people had heard about,
and if you were a real active film fan at
the time, this was kind of unheard of. It's not
like a James Cameron film that released two years earlier,
that played in theaters for ten of the twelve months
in nineteen ninety seven. This is just a bunch of

(10:41):
nobody's that people genuinely thought were real individuals lost in
the woods, and it turned into a phenomenon. And this
movie is so well done with so little. The stories
behind it are incredible. Shout out to Kevin Tudor, who's
the host of the Almost Major podcast, who literally about
ten minutes ago, I was just during the show. He's

(11:01):
one of the biggest fans ever and could talk about
this for the next twelve hours without breathing. This movie
has created fans like that, it is something that people
like foist their personality upon because it's such a monumental
moment in filmmaking, and I would personally like to posture
this is one of the last times that we saw

(11:22):
like truly truly innovative from the ground up filmmaking coming
out of the Hollywood scene. This is something that I
don't know that we're gonna get something like this ever again,
and not only because the publicity, but because it created
something brand new.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
I would agree, Yeah, I would agree with that. I think,
you know, blair obviously, blair Witch gets kind of ruined
by that Blair Witch prequel that came out. Yeah, I know. Eh,
I don't know what Adam wind Guard was thinking. I
don't know what any of them were thinking. The original

(11:59):
is important in a lot of ways, and then that
remake is not really but the original, I mean, the
original is the original. It kind of sets the standard, right,
I mean, does it hold up now in a lot
of ways, No, in a lot of ways. Yes, it
depends on how you look at it, Like, obviously it's fake,
but the ground swell at the time making it feel

(12:22):
real definitely contributed to the success of the movie broadly
at the time. I like blair Witch just fine. It's
not my favorite by any stretch of the imagination. I
understand why everybody likes it. I understand why it's so important.
I just think for me, it's not the one that
I would pick, and I think it's not the one
that it's the most approachable from a certain direction, and

(12:44):
that's that's.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
The interesting part of the show because it's not about
our favorites, because blair Witch isn't my favorite found footage either, but.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
No, it is neither one of ours. I think our
favorite might actually be the same thing.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
It would be up there. I don't know if it
would be the favorite, but really I would really have
to think about it.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Well, you're gonna have to fig pal, so I have
to think you knew this was coming.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Before you talk about Cloverfield. I want to shout out
this amazing release of the blair Witch Project from Second Site,
which is stacked more than a fan of blair Witch
Project ever needed, and yet it's incredible. If you do
not have the limited edition or release I believe it
is out of print now, but the standard editions all
of the on disc content, please go seek it out.

(13:29):
It is an absolute amazing package overall. And beyond that,
they're shipping the replacement disc for the audio problem that
I didn't even notice, so it's a great time to
go pick it up. And it's fairly inexpensive for just
the Blu ray.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
So I guess I guess my answer has to be Cloverfield.
I mean, like, I don't want it to be Cloverfield
for a whole host of reasons because I don't really
like Cloverfield that much. I think, honestly, I'll tell you
why I don't like Cloverfield that much. And this is
just me again me personally conceit in Cloverfield is wonky
out of the gate, Like they never put the camera

(14:04):
dow Is alway's gonna want to see this, Like bro,
like TJ. Miller put the camera down, run don't don't.
Somebody's gonna want to see this bullshit like that. I
think that's my problem broadly with Cloverfield is the conceit
does kind of not hold up. Uh. Outside of that,
I mean, it's the biggest found footage movie that's ever

(14:24):
come out, Like it's the most I mean, like, yes,
blair Witch is a massive success, but Cloverfield is like
the found footage movie, Like as far as I'm concerned,
like it's it. It stands alone because of the budget,
because of the speaking of the marketing, because of the
marketing for the movie, Like it kind of stands alone
as its own thing. And I think if you're gonna

(14:48):
show someone something and be like this is what found
footage is, I think Cloverfield makes the most sense, especially
living in a post nine to eleven universe, Like you
know what I mean, Like, Oh, I'm not saying Cloverfield's bad,
it's just Cloverfield. I have my problems with Cloverfield. The
conceit is the problem with Cloverfield. It's really hard to

(15:08):
get my head around the conceit because the conceit for
cloverfield's a little lazy. But all that to be said,
Cloverfield is like the pinnacle of found footage movies. I mean,
it's the biggest, most well produced found footage movie as
far as I'm concerned. Like, of any of the ones
that you can go watch, it's the one that I
think the most people have seen. It made the most waves.
I get the ar remember the arg and all that stuff,

(15:31):
like Jesus Christ Almighty, like tag Ruato and all that stuff.
And it's a lion or it's a live is it
a Vultron movie? Like I remember all that. I remember.
I remember going and seeing the first showing of Transformers
and seeing the trailer for Cloverfield and being taken. I
think the problem with Cloverfield is the marketing was too good.

(15:54):
The movie almost doesn't hold up to how good the
marketing is, which is fine. But I think Cloverfield, like
I said, is kind of the pinnacle of found footage. Again,
my feelings, my personal feelings on it a side, it
is the pinnacle of found footage movies, and I think
in a lot of ways it's the measuring stick by
which most found footage should be measured against in terms

(16:16):
of popularity and visibility in the public. Like is it
the best, No, but it's the most visible, that's for sure.
It's the one that most people know. And again, like
in a post nine to eleven universe, like it's like
watching nine to eleven the movie in a lot of ways,
like all those nine to eleven movies can't really do
Cloverfield justice given how close to nine to eleven. Cloverfield

(16:38):
feels right in a lot of ways. And it comes
out at a time and a place where that is
an experience where people like me and you were seeing
it on the news, people had lived it. So has
taken place in New York and it's twenty somethings and
they have camera and then you know not and look,
some of you in chat may get upset, some of
you may feel like I'm disappointing you. I personally don't

(17:01):
watch anything past the first Cloverfield ten. Cloverfield Lane kind
of falls apart in the last ten minutes. The Cloverfield
Paradox just that one, just a mess. Original Cloverfield is
it's a classic for a reason. Matt Reeves a hell
of a director. I mean, Jesus, look at what he
works on now, you know what I mean. Like, Matt

(17:22):
Reeves a hell of a director. It's a hell of
a movie that kind of gilded the lily. It's almost
a perfect found footage movie. There's just some things about
it that don't add up for me. But other than that,
if you're gonna show somebody found footage, I think it's
got to be Cloverfield. What do you think, Ryan, It's
a great choice. It's a Cloverfield or Blair Wits right,
like literally like and I frankly I think it's probably both.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
And that's the thing. These are two very different sides
of a many sided coin, because I think these are
two great choices, but also we're still both kind of
talking in the horror or horror adjacent subgenre, and a
lot of people when you think footage, you think horror, immediately,
which I get. Well, there's also a lot of non horror.

(18:04):
There's some good mystery ones, there's a couple a couple
decent romantic ones. I mean, we're going into the the
new genre of these like screen life films like Hosts
that are technically sort of found footage.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
At the end of the day, horror works so well
because it's putting you in those shoes of the person.
And that agree. I mean, that's what makes horror so scary, right,
That's what That's what makes horror work, as it were.
And so I mean it's kind of made for horror.
But I agree with you, like we we kind of
obviously are only talking about horror. But at the same time,

(18:38):
like I would say, and again this might this might
cause some iyre to some of you. I think the
horror movies are the best found footage movies.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
I would mostly agree. I mean, we're gonna after we
answer question number two. I have a feeling you're going
to now present the question of what is your favorite
or what is the best found footage? And my top
four or five are all definitely horror, I believe.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Am I asking you that now? Or am I ask
you that after we talk about what's a lesser? You
want to talk about our favorites right now? Because I
think that's fair. We can. Yeah, let's go, let's go
back and forth. Yeah, so what's so so in no
particular order, because I think that's more important. Go, let's go.
Let's let's do let's do four more each. That'll be
five each, So Cloverfield and Blair, which have already been covered,

(19:24):
So give me another one because I've no I got
I have plenty in no particular order.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
I think number one on my list what might end
up being Creep with Mark Duplas. I think it is
a masterpiece and a masterclass intention and telling a very interesting,
unique story that keeps you captivated. It is so damn
good and Mark Duplas creepy as shits in that field,
and the sequel underrated. I think it's very good.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Okay, I like Creep. I got to talk to the
director a long time ago. That's a personal favorite of mine.
I haven't thought about it in a while, but it's
a good one. I am going to throw out one again.
Horror the Poughkeepsie Tapes. Great choice, great movie. Took forever
to see it. I mean not me forever to see it,

(20:09):
like the broadly.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
The world, the world to see it.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah, I think you know. I got to interview the
Doubtle brothers in Stacy Schabowski back in the day, and
they told me that that was like a secret handshake
back in Hollywood, like if you like, oh, you guys
are the ones who directed the Poughkeepsie tapes. Huh, Like, oh,
that's cool, Like, yeah, Poughkeepsie Tapes is a good one.
I mean again, Like Poughkeepsie Tapes, you gotta kind of
suspend disbelief a little bit. But I like it. I

(20:35):
think it. I think it sells the gimmick and the
premise well enough. Some of the actings a little wonky,
but I think Popsie Tapes, especially in our true crime
fueled world, now, I feel like people probably slept on
the Poughkeepsie tapes or I mean again, just the fact
that the Poughkeepsie tapes just again was kind of hard
to see for the longest time.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Right. Uh. My second in this on is probably maybe
the only one that I could say is what I
think maybe a perfect film. I gotta go with rec
The Spanish Apartments Virus Outbreak film has remarkable acting, has incredible,
incredible scares in this, some really great effects, some things

(21:19):
that catch you off guard, some great sound work, some
very very great choices, all done in what is now
a franchise of not great films. But that first movie
is truly perfect.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
I'm more of a fan of the Jcarp version, also
directed by the Daubdell brothers. All right, now, am I right? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (21:42):
I think you're right. I love that you highlighted that.
I'm gonna highlight it again.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
That's a good one, good, good choice. I enjoy that movie.
I do enjoy the remake. I think the remake is
actually pretty good.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
It's not bad. It's nowhere near as good as Reck.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
But yeah, yeah, sure, all right, I'm gonna go with
another one, and again no particular order, because I actually
I realized that some of these movies are like some
of my favorite movies. It's like a rrect problem. I
really really really really really big shout out. And I
haven't seen the sequel. So if somebody chat has seen
the sequel, let me know. WNUF Halloween Special. I have
the vhs of it's sitting over there, like I went

(22:17):
out of my way to buy one on eBay a
long time ago. I'm a huge fan of it. It's
I don't know, I feel very lucky to I've gotten
an opportunity to talk to some of the people from
some of these things that I really like, like some
of my favorite movies. I've gotten the opportunity to talk
to the people and so wnuf like got to interview
Chris la Martinez long time ago. That was fun. But
it's just a it's a fun movie. It's it's a lot.

(22:39):
It's exactly it's trying to be a very specific thing,
and I think it nails it and I really like it.
But I also understand like I've put it on for
people and they're just like not interested, and I'm like, okay, fine,
I like it a lot, but I get it. Have
you seen it?

Speaker 2 (22:54):
I have? Also?

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Was it about my suggestion?

Speaker 2 (22:59):
No No No Vision has release both of them. The
company I work with, So I've seen it. I've seen
it and the sequel multiple times.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Oh well, excuse well.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
I've worked on another Crystal Martine film too.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Hold now to me, dingus, I haven't seen the second.
Is the second one good?

Speaker 2 (23:14):
It is very good. It feels different. Oh yeah, sure, yeah,
it's certainly worth watching.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
For sure. You got hook a brother up, I can
give you a link. Wow, okay, go ahead, I mean yeah,
like I just want to watch it. I mean I
feel like I feel like, Look, i feel like I've
done enough free publicity for the movie at this point
because I every time we talk about found footage movies,
I literally bring it up like it's just a lot.

(23:41):
It's a lot, Like it comes up all the fucking time,
Like yeah no in WNUF. I Like, I don't know
how many times I've brought it up there. I feel
like I feel like the same movies come up like
every time. So I'll kick it to you. Now give
me another one. Now, this is your third.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
One, baby, It is my third, and I hope that
you're going to use your as the one that we
were both thinking about. My third is a film called
Gonjiam Haunted Asylum. This movie is creepy, beyond belief live
streaming type of horror movie that is just so well
crafted and the again, the acting in this one is

(24:19):
like truly believable in so many of the scenes, but really,
like just shout out to the Asylum for being fucking
creepy as hell. They chose a great location. It filmed
so perfectly. You turn the lights off and that movie
is is It'll get under your skin for sure. Really
love that one again. Really great release that came out

(24:39):
fairly recently. Go check it out. It's a fantastic movie.
If you haven't seen it.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, it's a good one. I enjoy it. I wouldn't
put it in my top, but I enjoy it. It
was good seeing it A couple of times. I think
I want to say I covered it. I want to
say I covered on the Culture Cast maybe the last year,
the year before. Say so, is this where I get
to mention one of the things that's like definitely on

(25:04):
boldiv our list? Yeah, please do Hell House LC.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
I mean it's like the movie that we bonded over
first as friends, essentially that box that came out. I
haven't picked it up yet. I want to. I know
you did. I hope he's gonna grab it's good.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I don't know if it's close or.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Not within your albatross arm reach, probably six foot five
arm reach. I love Hell House LLC. The first one's great,
second one's good, third one's good. I like that I
can go to Target and see the guy who plays
one of the characters in the movie as a model
at Target. I love that. I love Hell House LLC.

(25:42):
It's a it's such a fun movie. I think it's
kind of everything I I. It's everything I want in
a found footage movie, and the premise in the conceit
is so fun. And I don't know. I I absolutely
love Hell House LLC. And I can't wait to see
whatever the next one is because I'm sure we're getting
another one, right.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
He's already started filming.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Ye, yeah, that's what I thought, like it's already been
announced or something.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
I do think he said that this is the last one,
which is an interesting move because I don't think he's
done that yet.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Yeah, I agree this one. Yeah not six?

Speaker 2 (26:17):
What is this?

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yes, it's Indiana Jones.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
I love this movie. The only thing I can say
bad about the first Hell House LLC is I think
the shaky CGI in the last like ninety seconds of
the movie kind of sucks. But I understand it's like
a very low budget movie. But man, they nailed it
for the rest of the movie, and I just wish
they got that last mieu and.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
A half perfect when the wall opens up.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Well that and the her going into the room at
the yeah oh.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Not great, but
it's not a low budget movie, you know, like and
it's off showing up on this list with other like
high budget movies. You know, it's pretty impressive. All right,
your your last one, and then I get one more
as well.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
My last one. It was chosen as a cover of
one of the Physical Media advocates because I love it
so much as above, so below has to be on
this list for me. I again kind of like going.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
To Stoutle Brothers again, Jesus dude, or they gotta listen to
this and be like, hello, you guys are such huge
fans of ours apparently this whole time.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
This movie again, kind of like I just mentioned for Gojiam,
the setting itself is kind of the star of this
And when you can make something so creepy, just like
with the background in passing for Somebody's angles. I truly
love that movie. I'm glad that more people have been
able to see it recently. It got a I think
a screen factory released in the last like six months.

(27:46):
Beautifully shot movie actually shot on site in the catacombs,
which is amazing, really great, really great movie that's truly
effective that I think this is one of the first
like low budget horror movies that took off on Netflix.
When it was streaming, it didn't get a lot of attention,
and then on streaming it became like a fairly big hit.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yeah, that's that's what I remember as well.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
All right, did you do four already or is this
your last night? No?

Speaker 1 (28:12):
This is my last one. So I kind of had
a hard time with this one because again, like I'm
one of mine is what I don't think counts. And
I can't mention ghost Watch because it's not found footage.
It's like it's so close but it's just like right,
it's at the cusp, and so I very good though, yeah,

(28:32):
ghost Watches, I mean, ghost Watch is one of my favorites,
like of all time period the end. So instead, I'm
gonna go with one that we haven't mentioned, uh, and
one that I really like and I think a lot
of people probably haven't seen, which is Digging up the Marrow.
It's Adam Green. Adam Green he hates people who hired
his movies. I interviewed him a long time ago and

(28:53):
he was very angry about that. I touch my for
like an hour straight. It's pretty intense. I really like
that movie. Ray Wise is great. Adam Green is great
as himself. I enjoy it. The lesson you know about it,
the better. I think it's a movie that going into
it is a lot of fun. And I mean, I

(29:14):
really like the artwork of Alex Party as well, So
if you like his work, then you're probably gonna like
the movie. And I think, I don't know, I think
everybody kind of has a different Adam Green thing that
they really like. Digging Up the Marrow is my favorite
Adam Green thing, which is maybe surprising because he's done
a lot of great stuff. But yeah, for me, digging

(29:34):
Up the Marrow is right there. I think Digging Up
the Marrow is a movie that not enough people have seen.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Agreed.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
How do you feel about it, Bradley.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
I mean, just truly love Adam Green. That's the biggest
thing to defend here. Some reason. His movie's just vibe
with me. I absolutely love him. All this stuff with
Joe Lynch have been great. Yeah, this is a good choice,
solid solid choice.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, I'm disappointed you didn't pick it. I had never
I heard you talk about it though, Like I don't
think we've ever talked about it.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Before, because it's it's still lesser Adam Green for me,
but it's still good.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
What's better than that? Hatchet?

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Hatchet? Frozen? Eye Frozen is a masterpiece I've ever seen it?
Oh man, it is. You got to watch that one.
Maybe that's the one that we should do and this
as an episode on your show, because oh yeah, that good.
It's it's so good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Is that where the people are stuck on the ski lift?

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Stuck on a ski lift potentially for a full weekend? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Interesting?

Speaker 2 (30:28):
All right, are we ready for our second question then?

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah? So the second question is as follows, could you
recommend a lesser known gem within the subject which might
not be suitable for a watch for newcomer.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
So a reminder for everybody that does not listened to
our Watch Film Foundations before. Essentially this is like what
would you offer as a second foray into the genre
or actor or whatever that you're talking about. And so
we just listed Blair Witch and Cloverfield as hey, these
are like entry points. And now here's something that's also
very good but could be off putting to somebody it's

(31:03):
kind of new to the genre and for me, this
is this is easily answered with one film and this
is the only one that came to mind for me.
Nineteen ninety two's Man Bites Dog. This is a French
film about a camera crew that's falling around a serial
killer who is also a thief and he's just kind

(31:24):
of doing what he does. We're talking about a guy
murdering people on camera and this cruise just kind of
along for the ride, and he gets more manic and
loses his mind as the movie goes on. The movie
itself is in French and it has some really great
scenery in it. Again as well, it's filmed on location
of many of these beautiful spots, but also many of

(31:46):
these rundown just nasty locations that you would expect a
serial killer a thief to kind of hang out nearby.
And Man Bites Dog is a goddamn masterpiece. But for
somebody coming new to found footage, I could totally see
this one just putting you off, Like the people in
these are gross. I don't want to follow this, This
is disgusting. However, after you've watched something like Cloverfield or
Blair Witch and you get sort of brought into this

(32:09):
moment of finding this footage and living in this submersive genre,
you got to kind of you got to kind of
go swim in the deep end a little bit. And
Man Bite's Dog is full of filth and treachery and
just really bad vibes. And after you're done, it's fascinating
to look back on just to see what this character
did while you were sitting here witnessing everything. The movie

(32:31):
is getting a Blu ray release from Imprint Films here
in just the next couple months. I think like the
end of March. It's the first time it's been released
on blue anywhere in the world. Had a really great
Criterion DVD release that was I think like the second
or third Criterion DVD I ever bought and fell in
love with the movie. Then it is incredible. The movie

(32:52):
is something that will blow you away if you've never
seen it, and also if you've never seen it. Other
than what I've said, go in blind, don't go look
up anything else. It is really interesting to see just
how this character develops. I guess is probably the best
word for that, like character development. It is so damn good. Yeah,
man Byes Dog. I can see how people will be
turned off, but I think it's a really great second

(33:14):
watch for fan footage.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Is this the point where I first off, I've never
seen it, which I feel like is kind of a
missed opportunity for me. Is this the part where I
mentioned things like, oh, man, I kind of feel like
I don't want to unleash this upon your audience, but
I'm sure that there are some people in your audience
who would be interested in And what I would say, like, again,

(33:36):
like this isn't me like advocating for these movies, but
Guinea Pig, Devil's Experiment or like the August Underground movies.
I'm not advocating for those, but I'm just mentioning those
offhand if you're into some more intense stuff, because man,
those are intense.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Weird, hard to recommend too.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, Like I mean, like a very specific person, I
would say my answer for this one is I don't
think it's really a lesser known gem, but I think
it's just a different flavor. And I'm not as big
of a fan, but I think some people, if they
watch it, some people, if they watch it, might find
it a little boring, but some people might vibe with
it really hard. Depending on your kind of level of
uncomfort or discomfort in your house. Paranormal activity the first

(34:18):
one I think is the right answer here. I it works.
It worked the first time, that's it. Like once I
watched it a second third time, I was like, it's okay,
But for some people it's gonna really like scare the
shit out of him, because best I can tell, it
really scared the shit out of some people when it
came out. I like it just fine. I think it's

(34:38):
a good movie, but I think it's kind of perfect
for this spot because again, like I don't think you're
gonna watch it more than once. You might if you
really vibe with it, you might, But it's a movie
worth watching. I think to see kind of almost like
a modern day blair Witch in a lot of ways,
Like how can we do blair Witch inside of a
house as opposed to blair Witch out in the out
in the woods, Because I mean again, like blair Witch

(35:01):
is scary, but really only if you're in the woods,
Like paranormal activity is scary because you're in your house,
like you go to betting in your house. So I
like paranormal activity just fine, but I think it needs
to be mentioned in this conversation. I think this spot
is the right spot for it. What do you think?

Speaker 2 (35:16):
I still love all of these movies, but.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Saying you're good or bad. It's just like I think
for some people, they're gonna watch it the first time
and go, eh, I yeah, well I enjoyed it. They'll
go I enjoyed it, but then they would never watch
it the second time.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Funny enough, the one thing that I thought of, when
you've just said all this is coming back to me,
how clean and sort of like barely pg. Thirteen this
movie is I kind of wonder if I could show
this to Jonah probably let's come.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Up scared of shit out.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
So I haven't told the story in a very long time.
On this channel, there's a lot of new people, so
I'm gonna share it again. I when I was gosh,
like twenty two to twenty five, lived in a house
in a very small neighborhood, like out in the middle
of We're in the desert. And it was a really
odd setup because we had the whole front of the
house where you would have the living room, and then

(36:07):
off of my bedroom there was a sliding glass door
to go out into what was essentially like a walled
in porch, but it had a back door to go
to the backyard from there. And we had a friend
that was coming over knowing that we were watching paranormal activity.
And we that were watching was me and my two sisters.
And I told him, Hey, I'm gonna go to the bathroom.
I'm gonna unlock the sliding glass door into my bedroom.

(36:29):
When you come in, go around the fence, go around
the backyard and come in through that sliding glass door
quietly and listen for the loud music and paranormal activity
and scare the shit out of my sisters. And so
I go to the bathroom and say I'll be right back,
come back in, and I had unlocked the door and
he came in, and when it got to one of
those moments where the sound obviously just gets really loud

(36:50):
and booming, and I had a wonderful sound system with
a time really nice subliffer, he grabbed the bedroom door
handle on my bedroom and just pulled it shut hard twice.
My youngest sister, who is over six feet tall, screamed
so loud that it hurt my ears and ran and
jumped on top of me in our living room. So

(37:11):
that I could protect her one of the funniest things ever.
I will never forget the story love paranormal activity solid,
it's good movie. Well, you want to list a bunch
of stuff that is not going to come up in
these two questions that we like or love or just
really want to give attention to, because there's a lot
in this genre.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah, I mean, somebody already mentioned VHS. VHS is worth
mentioning out of hand for a second. The house is
October built also worth mentioning. There's a lot. I mean,
there's just a lot. Like I like Apollo eighteen. I
know that that's not a popular one, but it's kind
of fun. I don't know. I think I think there's
a lot to enjoy about found footage. I just think

(37:51):
people it's not that people don't want to find the
things that they can enjoy, it's just I don't know.
I feel like found footage is so hard for some
people able to appreciate because they just they I don't know,
because they haven't seen very many good ones, because there
aren't very many good ones that are popular beyond like Cloverfield.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Right, I would agree there want to shout out the
visit and Night Shyamalan loved that movie quite a.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Bit Back from the brink, Sure did there are aspects
of Sinister that are found footage.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Love that one. Oh yeah, sure there are a lot
here that can be talked about, but really should take
a moment to highlight non horror fan footage. So really
want to shout out Project X better than people give
it credit for another couple big ones that recent movies
Searching and Missing, they're they're not horror, but they're like

(38:46):
mystery drama, like investigative things that are done in these
screen life stories that we're getting on many of these
nerror films like Host, which Host is fine. I didn't
hate it or anything, but it's just not my favorite.
I mentioned Mark Duplas earlier with creep Language Lessons is
another good one. Uh. I thought that was actually surprisingly

(39:07):
great to check it out if you've not seen it,
and then we've skirted around it all night, but got
to give time right now to Chronicle. Chronicle is uh.
It came out gosh, I can't remember if it came
out right before Iron Man or right around Iron Man,
but it was right before the whole zero here superhero
Craze took over and before the found footage Craze took

(39:28):
over and it was both done so well. Uh. You know,
creepy teenagers that get extra powers and are filming themselves
get these extra powers. That is such a difficult time
to to get powers in your life because you get
you know, the whole with great power comes great responsibility
thing is not something you think of at that moment,

(39:49):
and so things get shitty really quickly. Everybody that is
a part of Chronicle Uh has put in a really
incredible performance. But the story itself is just so interesting
to see people go through that development and sort of
turn into super villains at some points.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Also shout out from Zombies. The Last Actorcism Love The
Last Extorcism is essentially about a pastor or a preacher or
whatever that is. He's been an exorcist and he is
going into this to tell you how much they're fake
for exorcists, and of course it turns out this one
that he's getting this filming crew to show you that

(40:28):
it's fake, is a real demon and it ends up
being a real exorcism. It's an incredible movie. The stunt
work done by I think your name is Ashley Something.
The main actor of the Last Extorcism. She's incredible. Unfortunately,
the last thirty four seconds of the movie are god awful,
but just forget about those and the movie is amazing.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Into the Storm the Richard Armitage disaster movie found footage
movie with like tornadoes and stuff's kind of weird. I don't.
I mean, I don't remember disliking it, but I remember
I don't remember loving it. I think I remember finding
it again, like when it's non horror found footage. That's
kind of weird, But I mean, hey, people do it.

(41:08):
We mentioned VHS. There are a lot of VHS movies,
like a lot tons tons. Yeah, well, obviously they make money.
You know, as they make money, they're gonna keep making them.
Grave Encounters is good essentially, what would happen if Zach
Pagan's actually encountered ghosts and then you have Grave Encounters?
Trying to think what else? I mean again, I've already

(41:30):
mentioned like the furthest end of the Spectrum with August Underground,
which I'm not like advocating anybody go and look up like,
you know, I I don't know, I don't, I don't,
I don't know if I would advocate for a lot
of people watching like non horror found footage movies because
I just don't think they're very I don't know something

(41:51):
about horror and found footage, right, just like they go
too hand in hand for me to like, it's it's
hard for me to suggest anything else.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
I will argue against that with one more movie and
then one more oh one more horror.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
But like almost all these have been horror, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Like, well, no, I just mentioned like seven or eight
that are not I.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Know, but like I know, but like I'm saying, like
the bulk majority of these are correct. Uh, And yeah,
the ones that aren't stand out, I get it. I agree,
Like they really do stand out because when they're done
well and it's not a horror movie, like, they really
stand out.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
But the last one that's not horror that I really
wanted to throw out here end of watch absolutely amazing
cop movie. It's a bodycam footage essentially with Jake Chillenhall
and Michael Pania. Really really great film. Love that one.
And then the last horror movie that I wanted to
bring up, the only one I had on my list
other than the ones we've talked about, dead Stream came

(42:45):
out a handful of years ago. It's about a live
streamer going to a house that is supposedly haunted, and
he is the most unlikable character in the world, and
yet you love watching him. He is hilarious. You hope
for the worst for him, and yet hope for the best.
It is a great, great fun movie. Check it out
if you haven't seen it.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
I'm not I'm just trying to. I'm trying to think
if there's anything else that jumps out of me, like
there's We've covered a lot of stuff, like.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
You remember a bunch after we hit the dust, and now.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
That's how this always works, Like oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Well, oh, troll Hunter is a great one.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Yes, okay, The Devil Inside is not bad.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Yeah, it's it's good for a one time watch.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
I mean I feel like a lot of found footage
movies are kind of good for a one time watch.
I mean, like Taking of Deborah Logan, I feel yeah, yeah,
like I feel like that's good for a one time watch.
Have you seen Willow Creek? That one's pretty good, big
QUI to me, it's the Bobcat Goldweight movie.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yep, Borderlands, Yeah, it's a good one.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Unfriended, how do you feel about Unfriended?

Speaker 2 (43:50):
It's not bad. The second one is much better, funny enough,
dark Web, Unfriended, dark Web.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Dark Web. I'd like more alien found footage movies.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, I don't think it was. I don't think it
was found footage. But was it Close Encounters of the
Fourth Kind or whatever? I remember that one? Yeah, I
remember that one being pretty decent.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Yeah. What about The Sacrament kind of a sort of
a horror movie, but not really a horror movie.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Yeah, more of a cult movie. I guess it's not bad.
It's not my favorite, but it's not bad.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
What about Spree the movie with Joe Kiery.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Have not seen it yet. This has been on my
list for a while.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
He's he's pretty great. He's pretty great. It's pretty great.
I mean, I love Joe Carrey, so.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
But then he is like a pretty guy.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Yeah, I know, kid Lloyd.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
It was the awful reference.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Well, if you know, you know, you know, you know.
So what is the biggest impact that found footage is
ad in pop culture? Question number three? Where do you
where do you take this?

Speaker 2 (44:52):
So? Our question number three is always my favorite, which is,
you know the biggest impact on pop culture overall? Because
it's it can be sort of philosophical, like it can
be somebody getting inspired or something like that. But I
think really the answer here has to be this is
the genre that has allowed filmmakers to make their first

(45:14):
film for no money. I mean, we have so many
of these movies that are filmed on iPhones in a
dark house with a couple moodlights and some pretty crappy makeup,
and people get noticed and are suddenly making bigger movies.
And it's all because this is the genre that doesn't
have to be you know, something super well shot on

(45:38):
location during the day with big actors. This can be
just a really creepy location, hardly any light and done
where you don't have to hold the camera perfectly steady.
You can do it with next to no equipment. You
can shoot it for fourteen dollars and a couple free
launches for your crew and call it a day and
make literally a film, a feat your length film that

(46:01):
can be played and make a huge impact on people.
And films like Paranormal Activity have proven that it was
made for I think the total budget on that was
like fifteen grand and then it made like all of
the money. Ever, how what kind of world is that
not a great thing. It is the genre that has
allowed people to make great movies for no money.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
It's the great equalizer of the of the genres. That
really is exactly I'm I'm not sure that there is
a better answer here. I think that that is the answer.
It's the It is the one way that people are
able to make a movie has found footage Good Bad
Skin Skinner Marine is not found footage. And Ryan Brockman, though,

(46:47):
is Ryan Ryan doesn't even like it. Do you say
frogman focks?

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah, you gotta watch the movie to get then, I.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Just I mean frogman fucks because Frogman fucks. I don't
need to watch a movie Tono that the frogman fucks.
I believe the frog man fucks.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Albert here says fan footage movies in the twenty first
century are what slasher movies were in the eighties. How
do you feel about that?

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yeah, I could see where you're coming from. I think
that yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think at the end
of the day, found footage allows filmmakers to do something
really interesting and putting the audience in the shoes of
the person who's in the situation. But at the end
of the day, like that's not enough. It needs to

(47:28):
be more than that. There has to be more than that.
I love skinn A Rinks so much. It's not even funny,
I know, I know, I know it's like that and
in a violent nature, and know Saratu like it's just
like all these movies that are like made to annoy you.
I don't know, Like I think, at the end of
the day, if you want to make a movie for cheap,
it's often a horror movie. And if you want to

(47:49):
make a horror movie for cheaper, it's found footage. So
I think found footage is the great equalizer.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Right, And yeah, Albert says, horror movies in general or
considered entry level for beginning and want to be filmmakers,
But this is that takes it to a new level.
I mean, you don't truly need it more equipment than
what you already carry in your pocket on most days,
which is amazing. And the fact that we have that
is just a feat for filmmaking. I love it.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
I agree. Yeah, found footage is a found footage is
a genre that is very important to filmmaking as a whole.
I mean, Blair Witch was a jumping point for the
people involved with that movie. But found footage is just
it allows filmmakers to be creative in a way that
is really not I don't know. There's only one way
to do it, and that's found footage. That's really it,
Like there's no other way around it. Seeing a violentation

(48:40):
is great. The Max Headroom incident my brother has the
other one? Does that count as found footage? We spank
him on the ass with the with the fly swatter?
I know about that. That's that's classic. Found footage is
important to cinema, whether people like it or not. And
I think for more people than not, they've heard of
Blair Witch or Sceney Cloverfield and that's probably as far
as they go. But it has so much more to

(49:03):
it than that because it allows people to make movies
on the cheap, which is not a thing that's true
that that can happen. That used to happen, and it
happens now. So anything we want to mention before we
go to the last question.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
No, I think that was a solid conversation. It's just
not something that's we talk about enough. You know, when
you talk about how I don't want to say simple,
because it's still making a movie and making movies is
very difficult. But fan footage again, it is it's like
the Keys of the Kingdom. If you're dreaming of being
a filmmaker, it doesn't get much easier than will open

(49:40):
up your phone and just film something, damn it?

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Right? I agree? I agree, I agree. I mean in
a lot of ways, that's all creative endeavors. Just do it,
you know what I mean? Right, yeah, you know, consistency,
Just do it like you got to make it happen.
That's what I tell anybody that I work with, like
in terms of podcasting, like, consistency is the most important thing,
just doing it as it were. So so Ryan, what

(50:05):
is a cinematic bridge to found footage?

Speaker 2 (50:08):
So this question, for those that have never heard before,
is such an interesting one because you hear the if
you like X, you'll like why type of conversations.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Like X, you might like LSD.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
After this long conversation about fan footage, the question now
is what else If I already like this genre, will
tell me that I could like fand footage. And I
think this is starting to get a little blurred because
some of this can be considered fan footage. Like we
talked about WNUF earlier, but I really want to talk
about like live streams and screen life films and the

(50:41):
broadcast films all sort of meshed into one. So things
like the last broadcast WNUF and Coswatch, yeah, ghost Watch
and even not films, but like those those live streams
that hopefully other people in the chat have seen these,
and it's not just me being crazy, but like a
person just walking around Japan for five hours and just

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showing you what culture is like over there.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Oh you're talking about like Logan Paul not quite so
about their respect. That's what I've heard when Logan Paul
went to Japan, it was all about respect. That's why
I filmed. That's why I felt, I mean found footage, right,
he found a guy hanging in the forest. Any film
that found.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Footage, so like just a guy walking, you know, behind
storefronts through an alley and then you come out and
there's like hundreds of people on the sidewalk and just
seeing what it's like. That sort of thing. If you're
like fascinated with that type of footage, found footage is
an easy way to come to after that sort of thing.
Because obviously a lot of these are films on like

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the Little pedestal selfie stick thing for the backpacks or
the chest mounted camera tripods. But there they're really interesting
to see how you just portray things. And I think
it's a nice entry point to fan footage.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
What about you, I think mockumentaries are a good entry
way into horror or like I guess, horror found footage,
but I think found footage in general like mockumentaries. I
don't know if people like mockumentaries. I don't even know
if people like the term mockumentaries, but I think mockumentaries
are the obvious extension that you could get to for

(52:21):
found footage. I mean mockumentaries like Ghost to Watch. I
mean in a lot of ways, like Late Night with
the Devil's kind of a mockumentary in a lot of ways,
like those movies I feel like are the ones that
I think of when I think of things that are
the entry point, and they're a little bit they hold
your hand a little bit more, and a lot of ways,
The Chris Tapes is almost a mockumentary. So that's that

(52:42):
would be my answer. I think mockumentaries are like kind
of the the quote obvious answer here in terms of
what what could be a thing that other people have
heard of or at least more comfortable with. But then
it comes to the question of like what mockumentaries are
the other people know? Like, so, I don't know. Maybe
that's a question to be answered on another episode of
this show.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Now we have to do a mockumentaries episode.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Oh yeah, spinal tap, that's a good one. Well, yeah,
I think so. I mean spinal tap I think is
more of a mockumentary than it is footage. That's that's
I mean, that's the problem though, Like the line is
very narrow and thin, so that would be my choice.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah. Glad people were here to
be able to participate in this. For those that have
been watching all along this four hour excursions night, Chris, Uh,
for those that have liked your takes, where else can
they hear some of your work?

Speaker 1 (53:33):
Everything is over at Weirdingwaymedia dot com. That's where my show,
The Culture Cast is picking back up here pretty quickly. Uh,
you really are the most devious boss at a New
Yog City. Yeah. What we do in the Shadows is great,
same with the TV show. Weirdingway Media dot Com. That's
where you can go for all the stuff that I
work on Patreon dot com. Slash culture cast is where

(53:54):
you can go to support the stuff that I work
on me specifically. I guess you know. Times are hard
and shit's not getting any easier. If you can't help
out financially, cool, just like rate and review my stuff
on iTunes or wherever you get it, more than likely iTunes.
What about you, Ryan?

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Everybody watching on my channel knows that you can find
me at Someone's Favorite Productions dot com or over on
patreon dot com slash Disconnected. But this is a really
great time to jump on the Patreon as we're running
that promotion right now and happy to get some of
these stuff shipped out to people that are gonna love him.
And yeah, the releases you'll be getting is part of

(54:35):
that are incredible. Zapp being said, there's a lot more
to come through film Foundations, Disconnected, through Someone's Favorite Productions
and other shows. There's there's possibly even another show starting soon,
so look forward for that. And actually, on that note,
if you go in a love podcast, go check out

(54:56):
the newest podcast to join Someone's Favorite Productions podcast network,
Tumbleweeds and TV Cowboys, hosted by Hunter Robinson, really good
friend of mine. It's going to be covering landmark TV
shows like gun Smoke and the ox Bow incidents, and
Western films from throughout all of the decades I've recorded
an episode on there Will Dotson's done one or two

(55:18):
of them. You've got some Western experts showing up. It's
going to be an incredible show. Hope people liked it,
and yeah check it out.

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Speaker 3 (55:46):
Views, thoughts, experiences.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
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