Time-Bending Slashers with Zachary K. Bryant: An Introduction to Timecrimes, Happy Death Day, more!

A mix of sci-fi and terror can be found in every time-bending slasher, and we brought in my man Zach Bryant to help us keep our bearings as we travel back in time to check out this microgenre!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hello everyone, and welcome back to Film Foundations, the collaborative
show between weirding Way Media and Someone's Favorite Productions. I'm
your co host Ryan Verrel from Someone's Favorite Productions and Disconnected, and.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
I am Christashu all the Way from weirding Way Media
and the Internet's Worst Movie podcast, The Culture Cast. I'm
the one who's saying that. Nobody else has said that
to me. I'm just saying that about the show that
I've been doing for ten years now.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
On this show, we ask an answer four questions about
a given topic that's surrounding either an actor, director, franchise,
or micro genre, and man today's category excites me. As usual,
our job is to entice you to broaden your horizons
on film, to encourage you to travel down film tangents
and side roads and travel back in time to roads
that have never been traveled in your past. Guest today

(01:00):
is mister Zachary Bryant from They Live by Film, a
wonderful podcast that resides on the Someone's Favorite Productions podcast network. Zach,
thank you so much for joining us, Thank you for
having me. I will encourage everyone right now as you
are listening to pause this and go subscribe to They
Live by Film. It is literally one of my favorite

(01:20):
podcasts out there. Some of my favorite people talking about
some of the best films of all time and also,
you know, some funny things like guitar films and Deathbed,
the Bed That Eats and all the just the random
shit in between. It's wonderful not to mention some really
great interviews. But Zach, can you tell everybody else what
they Live by Film is without being funny? Like I did?

Speaker 3 (01:44):
I think you hit it on the on the head
pretty good. It's three of us that are on there.
I guess you could say we have one person and
ireland On's in Texas and I'm here in the Apple Achian,
so they try to ignore the accent. But essentially we
said week to week and one of us will pick
two or three movies of some type of theme. Usually

(02:06):
it's me choosing something shlocky, Adam choosing something a little
bit more artsy, and then Chris will just pick whatever
his fancy decides to hit him that day, and we'll
all make each other suffer. And then we get some
interviews with some boutique labels and things such as that.
If you're familiar with Ryan. Then we run in similar
circles there so, and right now we're doing a director's run.

(02:29):
Me and Chris are doing one on Lars van Tryer,
so be loving to look out for those, which actually
probably by the time this comes out, it'll probably be
at least a few episodes in I would assume.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
So, oh, yeah, my mom's favorite director is Lars von Trier.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Shockingly, I know, is it really? Because that's all?

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Oh, it is not.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
I would be could imagine though, Like, wouldn't that be
something My mom loves the house that Jack built, it's
her favorite movie.

Speaker 3 (03:01):
That'd be awesome.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
I would be, But then I'd question a lot of
things in my own life.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
I mean, it would make it would make sense about
a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Come on, Chris, you want to come watch Anti Christ
with me today?

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Is that the one where the guy? Yep? It is.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Well. As I said, we always talk about an actor, director,
franchisor micro genre, and today's is a is a very
unique micro genre. And the way that we're going to
be titling the episode is time bending slashers. So, Zach,
can you tell us what that means and why this
is fascinating for you?

Speaker 3 (03:37):
So Alex Slashers in general, because I'm real basic when
it comes to horror, and I just keep watching them
over and over again. But especially in the last few years,
there has been this weird fascination and I think part
of it is just Slashers trying to stay relevant. They'll
play a lot with time and so as they kept
coming out, I kept noticing a bit of a trend.

(03:57):
So ended up creating like a list of like twelve
that I found on letterbox. And they keep coming out,
so maybe it'll get a little bit longer. But yeah,
it's just, uh, they'll take these premises of whether it's
fantastically or through a scientific explanation of characters going back
in time or dealing with time in a very unique way. Uh,

(04:20):
while it revolves around a slasher.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Film, are you are you? I don't think we've ever
talked about this. You and I? Are you super into
other like time travel type films? No?

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Not really really, I mean I watch them. I mean
I mean I like Terminator, but you know it's it's
I was never a huge back to the Future type
guy or anything like that, So it's I think they're fine.
I'll watch them interesting.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
What about you? Chris, are you to time travel films.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
You mean broadly?

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, yeah, I mean there's quite a few out there.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
I you know, when we were when we were recording
earlier today, we brought it back to the future. You
brought it up like in Passing. I mean, that's the
one for everybody, right at least that's the most well
known time travel movie pop culture wise, right right. I
like time travel movies. I think now that we're kind
of in and boy, it didn't even take that an
even five minutes and we're here with something and like

(05:15):
with something like the MCU again dipping into a well
of time travel. I feel like time travel, for me
is a thing that gets has gotten overused. When we're
talking about franchise films and a lot of them, if
there's a sci fi element in any of these movies,
it can be almost like, oh there might be time travel.
Oh they could go back and fix it. I mean
like everybody was joking about that before Endgame came out,

(05:37):
and then that's exactly what it was. So I think
time travel as a device is overused and used incorrectly.
I think if we're talking about movies that have time
travel in them, I think they're fun. I just think again,
like in a lot of ways, it takes a lot
to really be interesting. If we're talking about time travel movies.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah, I would agree there there's got to be something
interesting that they add to the conversation. And I think
that's kind of where tonight's topic really comes in, because
with something like the modern obvious pick here is something
like Happy Death Day, when we're playing with the Groundhog
Day trope and going into this circular logic of time
and one person realizing that they're traveling through time in

(06:20):
a way that they're playing with time, I guess it
affects everything around them, and so it changes that takes
it on its head and completely screws with it when
you start seeing the way that they take that to
its extremes. I mean, the way that they show the
deaths on that first movie is super fun, and then
the second movie it it kind of like The Terminator,
like you already mentioned, it's kind of like a very

(06:42):
different genre. That first movie, like The Terminator is basically
a slasher, and then that second movie is more of
like a sci fi action pick. And so's it's interesting
how you start to compare certain ones of those, but
this letterbox list was great. We're gonna try to link
that in the description, of course, but I'm just fascinated

(07:04):
to hear what you're responsors going to be for this tonight.
But do you remember, like the first one on this
list that you hit? It's probably the Terminator, But which
one did you watch first? And why did it fascinate you?
For this?

Speaker 3 (07:15):
The Terminator is definitely the one I saw first, but
I think the one that I kind of noticed like
more of a trend for and I think probably a
lot of people really into horror watched Triangle because it
was kind of a sleeperhead And of course we talk
about Blu rays and that was out of print for
and it may still be, I'm not sure, but it was.
It is so such a long time. I remember it

(07:36):
was highly sought after. But there's just I don't know,
there's something intriguing about it because, you know, going back
to kind of what Chris said, there's this idea that
it feels like sometimes that they can use it incorrectly
in the sense that like time travel can be just
a fix, like we need to fix it. It's the
only way we can really do around it. Where something

(07:56):
like this. It's kind of the point. The point of
Triangle is to do this Sisyphian type of idea of
repeating the same actions over and over again. And I
just find that tremendously fascinating in a horror setting because
these are not typically you know, you talked about groundhog Day.
Groundhog Day is not a horror film, but in the

(08:19):
right light and context, it is that can be a
horrifying idea. And I like that they kind of take these,
whether it's Greek tragedy or they take something like groundhog
Day or It's a Wonderful Life and say, okay, but
these are horrifying ideas, let's make them into a horror movie.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Well, and even something like I mean again, we have
none of us have mentioned it, and it's not a
slasher movie, but it's again a good example of time
travel I think being used like you just mentioned, Zach
is kind of a fix And again, in some movies
that have time travel, that's literally the point of the narrative,
like a hot To time machine, they go back in
time to fix things. But at the same time, like

(08:55):
we've kind of already alluded to, imagine if that got
into the wrong hands, by accident and then you essentially
have what we're talking about. But yeah, I'm kind of
past the idea now of utilizing time travel in narratives
as a way to fix things. I don't think that
that's the best use of time travel because it seems
like the most pedantic and pedestrian way to use it now.

(09:16):
I mean, some of the movies we're going to talk about,
I'm sure they use that in a sense, but at
the same time they're also doing something unique or interesting
or different with it. I mean, even we've already mentioned
The Terminator. Even the Terminator starts to get to the
point where its use of time travel kind of stops
being not important in a way, but it kind of

(09:37):
starts using it the same way everybody else does. So
for me, like you both have kind of already alluded to,
like at this juncture in twenty twenty four, you have
to really do something for me to make time travel
movies worth watching, And one of them is taking it
and fusing it with another genre. So it's not just
time travel movies, it's time travel slasher movies, which exactly

(10:00):
like that for me is don't make it the fucking
point of the movie make it part of the movie,
not the point, but part of it. And when you
make it fused with another genre, I think, at least
for me, that's what I'm looking for. Is it to
be a component not the main vehicle.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
That makes sense? Well, Zach, since you are the guest tonight,
we will ask you first our first question, what do
you think is the best entry point for this micro genre?

Speaker 3 (10:29):
I mean, it's hard not to say the Terminator, but
I am gonna like move away and not say that,
because even though I have it on the list, it's
really the first example that I can think of of
an example of it. I don't necessarily think the rest
of the list takes from the Terminator as much as
it does earlier entries. So I already mentioned Triangle, and

(10:50):
I think, you know, just not to repeat myself, but
one thing I really like about Triangle and what a
lot of these do is they almost feel like kind
of Twilight zoni ish. They feel like they feel almost
like these these episodes that are just dropped in and
explored in that sense of way. You know. I really
like smaller films. I really like that kind of compactness

(11:13):
of them. And I think a lot of them pulled
from really they probably pulled from Time Crimes, which came
out before Triangle. But I think Triangle is the easiest
one to like really start with and kind of dip
your toes in, and it's a pretty solid movie all
the way around. That'll kind of be evolved with some
of these other films.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
I'm still shocked how many people have not seen Triangle.
I know it's been kind of hard to see on
physical media and it doesn't really stream all that often.
Did you see it when it first came out.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
I saw it on Netflix probably in like twenty twelve,
and then I bought the I bought the Blu ray
it was still in stock. I think I got it
for eight bucks on Amazon, and then years later I
found out it was out of print.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
There is a UK Blu ray of this, by the way,
that I believe is region free, so if you're still
looking for it, check that one out. I think Orbit
DVD carries it so often because this is the type
of movie that makes the rounds, Like people know that
this movie has a reputation, it's got twist, it's something
that's acted fairly well. It's a notorious, notorious title on

(12:17):
lots of lists for like really great underseen modern horror
movies and for that alone, like this is a great
pick for an entry point for the subject. Chris looking
at the list and any of these pop out as
for you as the best entry point.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, I'm I'm kind. I mean, look, I haven't seen Triangle,
so maybe it's better than this movie. But Happy Death
Day is I think for me the obvious choice here
other than like you mentioned, Zach, Terminator I think is
the I think and Ryan and I in this show
have been I think we've said this a lot more
at this point, as as close to every episode, almost
as we said the MCU.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
I would say The Terminator is pretty much a perfect
movie throughout.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
I mean I think from start to finish, I think
it's a it's a perfect movie. I think I know
that Ryan would disagree with me that it's not you.
You wouldn't say it's James Cameron's best film. I think
you know probably abyss right.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Uh No, Actually I'd probably go with Titanic. Actually that's fair.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
But I think for me it's James Cameron's only horror movie,
which is I mean, like you could say Terminator two is,
but I don't think that's fair. Terminator two is an
action movie with horror elements, But I mean, if we're
talking about a horror movie, and I mean, look, we
can say Prana to the spawning, that's also not fair.
But I think for me, the Terminator is a perfect movie.

(13:37):
And I think it's amazing that it's a James Cameron
horror movie, because a director of his caliber isn't making
horror right now in his career.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
To make it early on was what he did.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
But I think for me it's Happy death Day because
I enjoy that movie immensely love I love everything about
the movie. I have not seen the second one for
a whole host of reasons, namely because I like the
first one so much. I've heard that the second one
is vastly different, and so I'm not rushing out to
see the second one. But I love the lead, I

(14:08):
love the director. The director is also I believe the
screen writer on the film as well, if I'm not mistaken.
Ye yeah, And I mean again, we've talked about it
recently on our Scream episode. He was going to be
the one that was going to direct Scream seven, which
made I'm sure we're all nodding our heads here in
agreement that that was something that I was looking forward

(14:28):
to immensely because of how much I enjoyed Happy Death Day,
and now that's not happening, so I still have Happy
Death Day, which is I think. I don't think it's
a perfect movie. It has its issues, but in terms
of utilizing time travel in a way that most people
can recognize in a Groundhog Day way, but putting it
into an interesting narrative around trying to find the person
that eventually is going to kill you.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
I think it's a lot of fun. I do.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
I saw it two times in theaters, That's how much
I liked it, and I do not go to the
theaters more than.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Once to see things.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
So, however, my howmuchever we're one, my answer may be
I think it's also a very obvious answer.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
The thing that I think made Happy Death Day work
so much for me, because I'll be honest, I didn't
have like the highest expectations. I thought the trailers looked
fun enough, and I can see everything in theaters, so
it's not like a big entry point for me, But
it has a lot of emotion to it, Like I like,
there's a scene. I won't spoil anything, but like when
she has a conversation with her dad later in the film,
I was like, this is kind of getting to me
a little bit, like way more than it should for

(15:26):
this type of movie. The girl who acts the main
character Tree, she does a fantastic job in it.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah, Jessica Roth, I wish she was in more things
because she's I mean, I don't I mean, I don't
know if you can call someone a scream queen from
just being in two horror movies, but I mean, look,
I think her and I think her time on Happy
Death Day would would be a would make a pretty
good case for it. And I think the serial killer
designed in that movie is pretty interesting. I don't know
if it's more than just essentially ghost face but with

(15:54):
a different mask.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
But I mean again, I enjoy that movie a lot.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yeah, and it comes slashers, you know, there's you have
to get real creative now when you're trying to create
like an iconic look for anything anymore, because I mean,
I pick Triangle and how many times has the baghead
killer been used in a slasher movie.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
It's a lot.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Well, on the emotional note, I'm gonna throw in my
pick here, because this one's a pretty personal pick. I'm
gonna go with The Final Girls from twenty fifteen as
a good entry point. Not only is this like a
really solid horror movie because there's some good scares in there,
but also I think it's a good pick for somebody
that maybe is hesitant because of the slasher side, because

(16:35):
this is a very tame movie. It's very comedic, it's
got a lot of like dramatic elements, and so somebody
that may not be super into the genre just hearing
time bending slashers, it might be something that puts you
off a little bit. This is one that can appeal
to everybody, for those that have never heard the story
behind this movie. So it is about a person that
has acted in a film like twenty years ago. She's

(16:57):
now older and has a child. And in the first
just a couple of minutes of the movie, this is
gonna sound like a spoiler, it's not. There's a pretty
dramatic car crash scene and the mother dies and some
time passes, and the daughter that was with her she
goes to like a rep screening of her mom's film
and through just some random happenstance. The whole conceit of

(17:18):
this film is she gets thrust into this film with
her mom as they are showing this movie of her mom,
and now her and her friends are living in this
movie with her mother. And there's so many aspects of
this that hit home for me because there's, you know,
the whole aspect of leaving your legacy in the media
that you're choosing for your child, how that affects them.

(17:39):
There's the whole aspect of you know, losing a parent
and how that can affect the child. But truthfully, like
the personal aspects of this of the director of the writer,
I think it really comes through in some of the
climactic scenes of this film. The director, Todd Strascholson was
going through the recent loss of one of his own

(18:00):
parents and hearing hearing him speak on that after the
fact was super meaningful for me. But you can you
can genuinely feel that in that third act, I think,
and so all the dramatic side of that is to
me just a really appealing way for somebody to try
one of these out and probably still enjoy it even
if you don't love the slasher side.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
There is is that the writer that's father is the
guy who played father Karen and Exorcist?

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Is that the one I believe?

Speaker 3 (18:29):
So? Yeah, yeah, so having to like deal with your
knowing your parent more through the screen and their iconic
role as kind of a probably a tough thing to
deal with anyway.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Yeah, Joshua Joshua Miller, Yeah, he's uh yeah, yeah, I right,
I almost picked the Final Girls for this one.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
I'll just leave it at that.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
It's interesting.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
I think it's like the I think I think all
three of our picks are solid, very very solid. You
could you could not go wrong with any one of
these picks.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Yeah. I think it appeals to different types of people too.
I think Zach's pick is for people that are a
big fan of like horror movies already, because strangles pretty
pretty deeply in that side. And then uh, the Happy
Death Day that kind of appeals to like a few
different things, like the sci fi crowd more so, and
very much on the comedy side too. And then Final
Girls is just like if that's if it's not really

(19:24):
your thing for horror, this might be one that you
like the most because it's it's pretty tame in general.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
It has the saddest strip teathe in any movie ever.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
And who doesn't love Tysa Farmiga and stuff? Speaking of
someone who is I think a scream queen in their
own right at this point, along with their sister, which is,
you know, pretty great.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
So which pretty great? Is it her? Okay?

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, okay?

Speaker 4 (19:49):
But then technically, I mean they're well.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Technically, oh yeah, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Finally get to see them all.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Well, I guess there's not no there would be no
way to get them on screen together, and it makes
sense at this point. So unless they had like digitally
aged Tyson, right.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
We're at that point, it can happen, ye.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Jesus, or just have an older actress play the character.
That's perfectly fine.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Too, well, Zach, looking at this list, what is a
lesser known movie in this category of time bending slashers?
One that may not be the best entry point for
somebody trying to find one of these that would appeal
to them.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
So the one I'm going to go with is The Call,
which is actually a remake of another film on the
list called The Caller. Essentially, The Call is a South
Korean film about a girl whose father has passed away.
They move into a house and she starts to be
able to use the landline phone and receive phone calls
from someone in the past. If you've ever seen Frequency,

(20:50):
it's very similar to that. But what ends up happening
is the girl from the past becomes obsessed with the
girl because you know, she helped her not with that.
This is early so it's not really spoiled. She helps
have her father come back so her father does not
die tragically, and now the girl is very you know,
occupied with seeing her father that she lost. The girl
gets jealous and starts basically manipulating things from her side

(21:14):
and picking off people to essentially mess with her future
because she has just much more control in the past
of what she can and can't do. I think it
got buried really bad on Netflix because that's just a
habit on Netflix, as if they get something for an original,
they just throw it on there, no fanfare, no nothing.
I think it's a really particularly has a lot of detail.

(21:36):
It's very detail oriented, it's very I think it's a
little bit longer too. I think it's over two hours,
and of course, you know, with it being foreign language,
that can kind of be a turn off of people.
But I think it's it's really just a very fun
experience to go through, especially if you like the things
like Frequency, or if you've seen The Caller by any chance,
which is also really good, very similar premise, but yeah,

(22:00):
that would be my pick.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
I had never even heard of the Color of the
Call before I saw him on this list, and now
I am dying to see those because I loved Frequency,
and then reading your review and the first line was like,
I love frequencies, Like, well, shit, I trust that. Now
I gotta go watch this, Chris, have you seen these?

Speaker 4 (22:21):
I have not.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
This is one that's definitely gonna have to go on
the top of my list. And I mean you said
it's a little bit longer. Honestly, the South Korean horror
movies of the last handful of years, those have tended
to be a little bit longer, but they seem to
always hit perfectly. They're just really great right now.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, and I mean I think it's paced.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Well.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
I've seen this movie like three or four times now,
and I don't rewatch stuff quite as much as I
used to, so it's one I enjoy going back to.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
It makes sense, Chris, I know you're not deep in
the genre, do you have an answer for question number
two or should I share mine?

Speaker 4 (22:56):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (22:56):
No, I do, but I wonder if we have the
same answer.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
I know for a fact that we don't.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
How do you know what my answer is?

Speaker 1 (23:02):
My answer is not even on the list? Fine?

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Oh yeah, I mean so.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
I was.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
I was kind of trying to figure out what what
would constitute something that had I mean again like time travel, slashers, right,
so I went with time crimes. It might be an
obvious answer. I mean, I know what's on your list, Zach,
But I mean I think it's a fantastic movie. I
covered it r remember how long ago? At this point,
I mean it is for me. I mean it for me.

(23:34):
It is a very specific kind of horror movie. But
it's a kind of horror movie that I appreciate, which
is one that does not hold the audience's hand.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
At any stretch of the imagination.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
It is a it is a lot as a movie,
and I don't know, I enjoy it. And like you mentioned,
Zach with your pick, it's a foreign language film, so
I know that there's already a hill for some people
to climb up. Who are you know, not fans of reading?
I guess I don't know. I mean again, I cannot,
I cannot abide not watching movies with subtitles or foreign

(24:04):
language films. If that's something you're not into, that, well, okay,
so me Time Crimes.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
That's my answer Ryan.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Before I answer, Time Crimes is one of the most
stylish films on this list, and if you've not sought
this out before, you absolutely need to. Time Crimes is
part of the pun here. But it is a crime
that it's not seen as much as it is. I
don't know what about it is not appealing. I don't
know if it's just the lack of marketing or whatever.
This movie is certainly something that after listening to this,

(24:33):
you should probably go put it on your list, because
this movie is great.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
I think the only time it ever gets brought up
when I say because the reason I found it was
because people said, hey, if you like Triangle, you should
see Time Crimes. That came out a couple of years beforehand.
So it's always in the relation to Hey, you like Triangle,
watch this. It's never kind of on its own footing exactly.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah, that makes sense, and that's I mean, that's funny
because of what we're going to talk about. In question
number four, But on this one my pick, and you
kind of got to stretch the definition of time bending
slasher ever so slightly. But this one is a really
interesting movie that I saw either last year or the
year before for the first time, and it is nineteen
seventy nine's Time after Time. Have either of you seen

(25:17):
this movie?

Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (25:19):
Interesting choice.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
I will give you credit for picking something that's not
on the list that good, because that's a good choice,
my friend.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
So, Time after Time is about HG. Wells and his
time machine and something is happening in London where he
is meeting with a bunch of other scientists whatever, and
something happens and Jack the Ripper himself runs over to
the time machine and they both end up traveling in
time ahead however many years and ending up in San Francisco.

(25:50):
And they are in San Francisco in modern time when
this comes out, and HG. Wells is chasing down Jack
the Ripper to try to stop his reign essentially as
a serial killer. And this is such an odd conceit
on the genre, Like nothing about this makes a whole
lot of sense. The fact that they jump on a
time machine in London in whatever year it was, and

(26:12):
they end up in San Francisco randomly in nineteen seventy nine.
Is weird enough, But then this movie gets weaved into
with like this really fun romantic story between Malcolm McDowell
and Mary Steinbergen, who's great in this, And the big thing.
David Warner is the villain here. He is the one

(26:32):
that's playing Jack the Ripper, and as they are traveling
through modern day San Francisco, there's some funny situations with
them not understanding modern age. But then it's the fact
that this guy's a serial killer and you're chasing him
around San Francisco and trying to make sure that he's
not just randomly killing people. So this movie's kind of odd.

(26:54):
I'm glad that it was one that was on your
list and one that I liked, and the one that
hopefully we can add your list after you watch if
you think it fits the criteria. But this movie I
feel like nobody talks about in twenty twenty four. I
think there's a Warner Archive blu ray out there. I'm
not sure if it's streaming, But this movie is one
that you'll appreciate for a myriad of reasons. One if

(27:15):
you like Back to the Future and the whole trilogy.
It's Mary Steinbergen dealing with time travel before she was
in Back to the Future Part three. It's just incredibly acted.
I mean, the three leads we got Malcolm McDowell, David
Freakin Warner, and Mary Steinbergen. Like, that's an incredible ensemble.
And yeah, it's an odd story. It's not a perfect

(27:35):
movie by any means. It's there's a lot of conceits
that you got to deal with, the logic not entirely working.
But man, is this one good? What do you think
about this one? Chris?

Speaker 4 (27:44):
I enjoy this movie a fair amount.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
I had only seen it recently too, at the suggestion
of the Projection booths oone Mike White, because he's a
fan of it. And I mean, again, like, how could
you not be, given who plays Jack the Ripper, and
again given who plays HG.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Wells.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
So yeah, no, I'm I enjoy the movie immensely. You're right,
not a perfect movie by any stretch of the imagination,
but what a concept for a movie, right, you know,
And as someone who has spent the better part of
the last five years doing true crime and true crime
adjacent stuff, who else doesn't like a Jack the Ripper thing,
like there's there's not enough Jack the Ripper stuff, and
the stuff that there is out there is just like

(28:18):
Jack the Ripper period piece, as opposed to how do
we get Jack the Ripper into modern day times. That's
a real question everybody should be asking. So, yeah, no,
I enjoy it. I'm I'm glad you brought it up
because I I guess, well, I think it's fair that
it's on this list. I think it being a slasher
might a it's a bit of a stretch, but given that,

(28:42):
I guess between Zach and I could only give a
reading on the field on.

Speaker 4 (28:45):
This one, I think it's still fair.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
But you're right, like at least you understand, like it's
not that it's not a slasher, it's just that's not
the point of the movie in a lot of ways,
it's just like it's part of it, which is perfectly fine.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
That's what makes it interesting to me. It's a fish
out of water story about a serial killer in San
Francisco in nineteen seventy nine.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
And honestly, there's like I found it very fascinating slashers
that kind of came out between Halloween and Friday Thirteenth
because it's such a small margin, it's only two years.
But they are some weird ones like I think of
like Tourist Trap that is such a wild slasher movie
because like the conventions haven't been established yet, not fully,

(29:30):
and have it been cliched to death with the Friday
of the Thirteenth series and Nightmare on Elm Street and
everything else. So yeah, I'm very fascinated and curious to
watch this one.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Strongly suggest you seek it out. It's underseen, but it
is so worth it. You mentioned Tourist Trap. I adore
Tourist Trap. What do you think of the fact that
Barbara Crampton is producing a modern Tourist Trap that I
think it was announced by Bloody Disgusting as being a remake,
but then she made a video that made it seem
like this is just gonna be a legacy sequel of.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
I hope it's a legacy sequel because like House of
Wax exists, like the two thousand and five House of
Wax is a remake of tours Strap Ray more than
actual House.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
Of Wax as a Wax movies, not bad, Yeah, I
like it.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
I love two thousand slashers, Man, I think they're great.
Maybe it's nostalgia, but I'm.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Kind of with you on that.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Hey, there's a good topic for another micro genre, because man,
who doesn't want to talk about Valentine's Day?

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Am?

Speaker 4 (30:26):
I right?

Speaker 1 (30:26):
The movie's great.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
I mean it's not bad. I don't.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
I think it's aged rather well. I think it's aged
better than yeah. Well, and it's of a piece of
a lot of other things.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
And I wouldn't be interacting with Ron unless I brought
up that The Black Christmas two thousand and six. It
is fantastic and I will fight anyone on that forever.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
I mean, you're not wrong.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
You are not wrong, well, time after time, Zach, I
hope you. I hope you watch it and then feel
that it ends up on this list, because I understand
how some people might scoff at it being on here,
because again, the killing aspect is just like, it's like
an asterisk for this movie. It's mostly just why is
Jack the Ripper running down the street to a cable

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car in San Francisco.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Look, I I'm pretty lax when it comes to like
the definition of a slasher. Like I've I've shared my
ranking of like every slash movie I've watched in like
the last four years, and people like, that's not a
slasher movie. I'm like, it is, though, It's it's fine.
Like like I don't know how many arguments I've gotten
into because I put Alien on there. I'm like, Alien's
a slasher movie.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
It absolutely is a slasher movie.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah, I'm like, it follows every tropes.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
It's more of like a slasher meets a haunted house
movie too.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Oh, someone fights you on Alien being a slasher cheese.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
More than any other I get more people think Terminator
makes sense. But and that's the one. I'm like, maybe
that stretching it a little bit because he's mostly using
guns and stuff. But I'm like, I feel like it fits.
But now Alien, they're like, no, not a slasher movie.
I'm like, Okay, he's using a second jaw. That's why
it's so different.

Speaker 4 (31:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Well that leads us to our third part of the
discussion and dying to hear what you say about this one, Zach.
The question is what is the biggest impact that time
bending slashers has had on pop culture in your opinion?

Speaker 3 (32:11):
I think when you when you see a lot of
stuff like just to go back to the list for
a second, because I've went off the time after time.
I mean, when you see things like we talked about,
like Happy Death Day, we've talked about you know, I haven't.
I don't know if I've mentioned, but it's wonderful life
is on here you have Triangle, which is like a
Greek tragedy story, that type of thing. I think it

(32:33):
does have this encouragement to go seek out what they're
referencing because a lot of these, naturally by design, are
a little bit more meta narrative. They're a little bit
more deconstructions of like what slashers are. You look at
Final Girls, it's a lot more of a deconstruction of
the camp, the summer camp slasher, you know, f thirteenth

(32:53):
mad Man, whatever you want to go with, whatever your
poison is. And I think it can help people kind
of seek those out a little bit more, just because
the slasher film has been kind of forced to evolve
to stay alive, because the twenty tens were kind of
a rough time for slasher movies in my opinion, there
just wasn't a lot of them, and they're kind of
hitting more of a stride again, and I think it's

(33:15):
because of things like that.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Interesting what about you, Chris.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
I mean, I think we've kind of talked about it
a little bit already, but I think the obvious answer
is the Terminator, which is a series in franchise that
is persists.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
Well, we mentioned it on our Alien episode. It may
not continue to persist. It might be a dead franchise
for all I know. It kind of feels like it.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
But I think for me, if we're talking like, what
is the biggest effect time betting Slashers have had on cinema,
it's really introducing us to the Terminator character because for me, like,
I mean, that's the one, like you kind of already mentioned, Zach, Like,
some people might not even think of it as one,
but I think it exists firmly within the camp of Slasher.
And yeah, I mean, look, Determinator one and two are

(34:03):
pretty good. Beyond that, your mileedge will vary that pause.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
I was sitting there like, which one is he gonna
name after two? Like I'd love to know.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
The one, the one that Christian Bale thought was important
enough to blow up on set for I mean, I
actually don't, I don't, I don't mind Terminator Salvation mind you.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
So, I mean I couldn't imagine being on like a
Mick G like you know, set and saying this is
what it's worth getting mad over.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
Yeah, Nick G film, I think we said.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
I think we said something eerily similar on our Aliens podcast,
like of all things, a mc g movie, like this
isn't Scorsese, this isn't Quentin Tarantino. This guy who directed
I don't I would say Charlie's Angels, but I like
that movie. No, he's the guy who directed Terminator Salvation.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah, I mean, Terminator for me is a franchise that
is important. There was a ride at Universal Studios. There
have been all kinds of things it helped continue to
and I think, I mean, if you look at it,
it really helped put Arnold on the map too, I
mean in a big way. And then and then they
realized he was so popular that there's no way we
can make him the villain.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
Pass this point.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
He's always got to be the good guy because he's
just too damn charming. So yeah, for me, it's the
Terminator that's the biggest one percent in my mind, because again,
it's a franchise that could we could hear an announcement
tomorrow that they're making another one. There's nothing stopping them
at this point.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
And people will still go see it. Right, just watch it.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
And James Cameron will say how amazing it is one
way or another to try to it's Dan Ackroyd and
James Cameron. Man, somebody just writes them a check and
they go, these movies that we used to be and
that they're making now are amazing. We promised go see them.
How much was that check for?

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Again?

Speaker 2 (35:41):
I promise go see it? Like it's fine. But you're right, Zach, Like,
people will still go see it because it's the Terminator,
And I think that speaks volumes to the Terminator's ability
to permeate pop culture in a way that I'll be
back is said in plenty of things that aren't The Terminator,
including all of Schwarzenegger's movies anyway at this point. So yeah,

(36:02):
the Terminator is my answer.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
So I love that you said that about Cameron because
that's why I love John Carpenter. He'll he'll go cash
the check and then be like, eh, it's not the
Halloween I made, right.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
I Mean, there's something to be said for that too,
just cashing and then be like just kidding.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Vaccines everybody. I mean to be fair.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Dan Aykroyd did do that with Ghostbuster's twenty sixteen. He
was like, this movie's great, and then after it came out,
he's like, just kidding. That guy should never work in
Hollywood again. I think, paraphrasing his words, I think he
said that guy will never be welcome on the Sony
set again, is what he said, which clearly not the case.
But yeah, I guess you know, you pay somebody enough,
they'll say nice things.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah. For me on this one, I went into a
little more of like a philosophical method. I guess I
think that this is the perfect genre that you can
use to get somebody to try different styles of films.
And so that's what I'm going with is every every
genre needs a sort of like melding of a couple

(37:03):
of genres to get people to come to the other side.
So whether you're a big fan of horror, these might
be good to get you into sci fi films, or
if you love sci fi films, watching these might make
you go, oh, I might be more into horror than
I expected. And when you think about that, like the
whether it be some sort of like apocalyptic western or

(37:25):
a musical that's a horror movie, or an animated adult
filled feature or something like that. There are all these
things that take a couple, like very standard genres and
mash them together. And obviously time travel movies are kind
of already not standard by themselves, but when you mix
that with horror, it's kind of just this weird like

(37:46):
alchemy that you can expect something either really awesome or
kind of awkward to come out the other end. And
a lot of the ones on this list, like it
was hard for me to pick, like what is the
best one on here, because some of the ones that
we haven't even really said much about yet, Like Detention
is a freaking great movie and it deserves a lot
more attention than it got. It's it's one that hardly

(38:08):
anybody has seen. It's one that had a likable star
at the time, and yet here it is just like
linguishing at the bottom of everybody's list because hardly anybody's
seen it. And it's one where like if I everone
to described to someone what ADHD probably looks like like
on film, I'd be like, just watched Detention. It is
like hot paste all the way through. Yeah, that makes sense.

(38:30):
Another one that we haven't mentioned at all, Zach, I
would love because I know how much you love this movie.
Can you can you just spend a few minutes speaking
on Fish and Cat because that movie, first off, nobody
has seen it, and second off, it's it maybe is
the highest quality movie on this entire list.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Funny enough, Like, well, the number two question, I originally
had Fish and Cat as my answer, and I actually
changed it because I was like, I bet Ryan will
mention it, which thankfully, I'm glad you mentioned a movie
I have not seen, so that worked out. But uh,
Fishing Cat is just like such a cool movie for
anyone who isn't familiar with it. It came in a
box set from Def Crocodile. Ryan, you know how bad

(39:09):
I am.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
With pronouncing sharam mokrie.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Sharam mokrie set where he is currently made for. I
think he's actually getting ready to make us fifth or
he's currently Yeah, So one thing he likes to do.
I haven't seen all four. I've seen Fishing Cat, and
I've seen Invasion. He likes to do this idea of
one take films, but they are told in a non
linear style, so you go from person to person if

(39:35):
it's switching perspectives, if it's doing that, but you're getting
the information completely out of order. It is incredibly impressive
to watch. But essentially the movie is, I think they
describe it on the back, it's like Texas Chainsaw Massacre,
except for you don't really see anything. You're seeing this
from the people who you know, there's like these bad
people out in the woods, and you just see these

(39:58):
people who are walking around. They're talking about their drama,
they're talking about things they've seen nearby, they're talking about
this kite festival they're part of, and it's just such
a it's just like almost like a ballet of the
way it moves from like person to person and through
different times. And you know it doesn't have any like
traditional like slashings or killings or anything like that, but

(40:20):
that presence is just always kind of looming and you're
kind of waiting for the time to hit to when
they're gonna kind of get into that part.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, this is a this is a movie that it's
it's hard to recommend to people because it is a
little weird, obviously, but it is genuinely a masterpiece. This
is a movie that when somebody discovers it, it's it's
one of those ones that you go back to the
person that shared it with you and you just rave
about this movie and like thank them for sharing this

(40:55):
sort of secret with you. I do also want to
shout out that Zach also wrote a pretty great piece
on this movie for my physical media zine called The
Physical Media Advocate, and and it's astonishing piece. It's available
in print on Amazon. But I know how much you
love this movie. I'm glad that we could talk about
it at least a little bit tonight, because anybody that

(41:15):
has seen this, I've never heard anybody give this anything
less than literally like four and a half stars on letterbox.
This movie is it's a modern masterpiece. I don't know
how else to say it. And it's coming from somebody
that has been limited for making films and watching what
they can do with this, it's like, no, give this

(41:35):
guy all the money in the world to make small
movies like once a month and we will have just
a myriad of incredible pieces to ingest for the rest
of our lives.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Yeah, and you know, I know we've talked about plenty
of times. I'm sure we both have downstream in at
some point, but it's tough.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
One.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
The only way to say this film is really the
box set. I wish there was at least like some
other way because I think that's really limit in its
availability because I'm glad to have the box set. I
love the box set, but it is. It's pretty much,
as far as I know, the only way to see it.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yeah, I'm not sure if it's available elsewhere. I'm checking
right now. You can stream it on Canopy, So if
your library supports Canopy, go out there and do it.
You can rent it on Amazon for a dollar ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Wow, that's yeah, that's a dirt shape. So yeah, that's
better than the last time I checked. So that's much better.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
And it's I don't think we said it's fairly modern.
It's from twenty thirteen, so it's one that it's it's
not going to turn anybody away because it looks older
or anything like that. It is. It is a very
well made, very stylish movie.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Yeah, Like the colors really pop because it's so dreary,
like the whole thing is, you know, I guess how
I would expect London to look, but you know, these
colors are the kites and everything just pop so much.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
And then the other one I've not seen totally killer
yet that's on the list. How do you feel about
that one? Overall?

Speaker 3 (42:56):
I think it's fine. I mean it kind of feels
a little bit redundant when you know it's it's surrounded
by it's after the Happy Depth Day movies. It came
out in the same year. It's a wonderful knife. I
do think it's better than it's a wonderful knife, but
it does feel a little retready. I think you've kind
of got a it's doing like the it's doing some

(43:17):
nineties nostalgia, but it's still in the late eighties, so
you know, if you're kind of tired of that. It's
it's kind of a tough sell, but I mean it's
it doesn't glamorize it as much as a lot of
eighties nostalgia tends to do.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Interesting. So it's yeah, I think that came out right
around it. It's a wonderful knife too, right.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Yeah, I think one. I think it came out in
like either October or November, and then It's a wonderful Knife,
came out right around Christmas.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
It's so odd when stuff like that happens, when they're
so similarly just happened to come out around the same time. Chris,
any other questions or thoughts on this before we go
into our fourth question.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
I haven't seen any of the movies you guys were
talking about, so I have to check them out.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Well, this one is going to be interesting. I'm sure
we've talked of a lot about these touch points already,
But what is a cinematic bridge to time bed time
bending Slashers? In your opinion, there's Zach because obviously you
could go something in sci fi, something in Slashers, But
to get to something as specific as this, I feel
like you got to go for something fairly unique.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Yeah, I think, you know, if you're trying to bridge
to it, I think it's just it's a much easier
sell to maybe someone who's just obsessively watches any schlock
they find on two B that says Slasher somewhere in it,
and you're like cool, and you just kind of maybe
get tired out. It's easy to bridge from there. I
think it's as far as like what it can bridge to,

(44:44):
you know, I think it does bridge back to more
normalized Slashers. But I think it bridges to you mentioned
in your last one about bridging to like so many
different subgenres that are there, or bridging to I mentioned
the movies that a lot of them are based on,
like a Wonderful Life, Groundhog Day. You know, I think
they're all there, and of course Terminator links you to

(45:06):
camera and so you can you can do quite a
bit with that and get all sorts of places.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
It's good pick, good pick.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
Chris, you know. I mean, I I think I agree
with Zach.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
I mean, I think if you're a fan, I think
if you're a fan of Slashers, you.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
Should check these movies out.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
And I think if you're a fan of time travel movies,
you should check these out. And I think that those
two groups will get enough out of most of these
movies to be satisfied either way. I mean, maybe one
will be a little bit more satisfied with one movie
over another, just because one leans harder on the time
traveler slasher.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
Thing more than the other.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
But for me, I mean again, I think those two
main genres are if you're a fan of either the
main genres, this is a very good subgenre or micro
genre to go into and kind of see what you
like and what resonates with you.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
Because I haven't seen a whole lot of the new
news stuff.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
I haven't seen. It's a wonderful knife. I haven't seen
the what's the eighties one.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
Called totally Killer, totally Killer.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
I haven't seen either of those, and they've been on
my list of things to watch, so I don't know.
I mean, like you both have mentioned, like these kinds
of movies don't come out any any with any amount
of frequency. This is kind of its own thing. It
is kind of nuts that one year we got two
essentially like back to back, But you know, it's just
for me. These movies are I mean again, if you're

(46:31):
into Slashers, this should be your thing as far as
I'm concerned, Like that's it. But I'm very curious to
hear what Ryan says because I feel like my answer
is pretty pedestrian.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
I I was trying to think back to how I
felt when I watched a lot of these movies that
are on this list. And this might be a little
bit odd, but I feel like the perfect single film
bridge to get to this is if you love Cabin
in the Woods, you will probably love anything on this list.
Cavin in the Woods is odd because it is sort

(47:03):
of sci fi in a weird way, but it's not
really played for that. It's more like a horror comedy
in total. But when you think about it, there are
a lot of elements about it that make it a
sci fi film in a couple different ways. I mean,
the fact that we have essentially a god controlling this
entire situation, and the end of the film is the

(47:24):
end of the world as far as we know. It
leads to these thoughts that you know, it could be
something that you view in this bottle of Sure, it
is basically on the surface horror movie, but the way
that they're playing with technology in this the way that
they're playing with the viewers expectations, I feel like it

(47:44):
takes you for a ride that a lot of the
films on your list, specifically, Zach, it takes you for
some similar rides. I don't know that I've ever talked
to either of you about Kavin in the Woods much. Zach,
how do you feel about Kevin in the Woods?

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Oh Man, this is gonna be awkward. I don't like
Cabin in the Wood.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
No, I get that, I get that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Yeah, Mine really comes down to, like I get it,
Like I completely understand the appeal Cabin in the Woods,
but I've always struggled with the idea that I know
the final message of the film is really what kind
of like takes me out of it because it almost
sometimes feels like a hor what horror fans look like

(48:23):
to people who were not in that community or into
that genre, how they perceive them more than maybe what
they really are, because there's that whole thing with like
sacrifice to the blood God, because it's like that's what
horror audiences are. They're there for the deaths and the
kills and nothing else. That is what they want. And
I think I've struggled with that element, but I do

(48:45):
agree with what you're saying. I think it is a
good bridge. I think it you know, if somebody likes it.
I am in the complete minority when it comes to
Cabin in the Woods, and I understand that.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yeah, and yeah, I didn't mean saying if you like
the time bending Slashers, you have like Kevin the Woods obviously,
but it feels like that sort of thing where fans
of Kvin the Woods are probably more susceptible to liking
these ones, which is an odd way to look at it. Chris,
you seem to agree with Zach. How do you feel
like Kavin in the Woods.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
I Actually, what's funny is if you had asked me
this maybe like two years ago, I would agree with Zach.
But I rewatched it last year and I actually enjoyed
it a lot more than I remembered enjoying it. I
disliked it for a different reason than Zach did. The
reason I disliked it is because feel like, in a
lot of ways, the movie's talking down to you as
an audience. I mean, it's a similar thing, I guess,

(49:34):
but in a lot of ways, like I don't know,
it feels like for me and this is you know,
maybe it's a symptom of who writes the movie.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
Maybe it's a symptom of who directed the movie. I
think it's more a symptom of who wrote the movie
in a lot of ways.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
If you know what I mean, I would not be surprised.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
He who wrote the movie is not someone that I
resonate with. I actually like Drew Goddard of Fairmount, but
Joss Whedon, he's someone that I I'm not a huge
fan of so I always kind of looked at Cavin
in the Woods as like it's his mouthpiece about a horror,
about horror as a franchise, as holistically and for me,
Joss Whedon's not someone whose opinion I really care about

(50:13):
on horror movies.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Sorry, I just don't.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
I know.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
He directed Buffy the Vampire Vamfire, that Buffy the Vampire Slayer,
but Joss Whedon for me, is not a horror director
by any stretch of the imagination. So yeah, Cavin in
the Woods I like it more now, But I like
it more now for different reasons, just because I think
it's a rather smartly written movie that is saying something

(50:38):
about being a fan of horror. But I can also
see where Zach's coming from where it's like it's also
kind of like needling the horror fans. But again, I
think that's because Joss Whedon is not really a fan
of horror movies.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
So again, I mean he is very self self important.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
Yes, I guess.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
Loves the way his own fart smell, that's for.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Sure, I will happily admit to I have an extra
I don't know if it's nostalgia, but like I've a
really heightened memory of this movie. This is the only
film I ever got to see in D box. Have
either of you ever watched a movie in D box?

Speaker 3 (51:08):
I did Foling Kingdom, I did in D box?

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Interesting, How was that good?

Speaker 3 (51:14):
My girlfriend's like the biggest Jurassic Park fan I've ever met.
She has like a shrine in another room of Jurassic Park,
so it was really more for her, but I think
it helps the experience. I enjoyed D box, but we
don't have it here anymore.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
So Yeah. I went to a super small theater out
in the middle of freaking nowhere in California and the
desert that I had to go, almost an hour from
where I was where I grew up, and they were
randomly showing cabin in the woods and I was like, uh.
We went that night to try to get tickets and
because there was no like online ordering for this at

(51:47):
that time. But when we went in there, the regular
seats for some reason were like fourteen and they were like,
or you can upgrade the D box and it's only
five dollars more. I think it was like nineteen dollars
each and we were like, I don't know what that is,
but let's try it. It sounds exciting, and it turned
out to be like a really great movie for it,
Like the the there's a I think there's a dolly

(52:09):
shot near the beginning where they crane up from the
Maybe it's not a dolly shot they either way. It's
not like a drone shot either, but they crane up
from the street to the window level of the house.
When they're showing at the beginning when you first meet
the stoner and he shows the bong and all that
and something about what they did with the chairs, it
literally felt like you were rising the entire time with it,

(52:31):
like this is insane. I don't know how they're doing that,
but that's amazing. But then, of course, after the whole
elevator start to open near the end of this movie
and everything, everything just goes insane and your movie based
or your chair basically turns into a massage chair. It was.
It was a really weird movie to watch in d box,
but I certainly enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
I think, I guess it's one they can just transfer
anything into D box. I'm guessing, like because I guess
you're just designing like the chair movements and things like that.
I guess it's the main purpose of the vibetions surprise.
They didn't do it for more things, honestly, at least
not around here, Like we have one. We had one
D Box theater, and I don't think anybody ever went, Chris.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
Do we have one anywhere within a couple hours of us?

Speaker 4 (53:11):
I don't think so. I know that well. I mean
there's one in Dallas, I know that much.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
And they have like the equivalent at a theater, and
they have like a bunch of theaters in the movie theater.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
With it too.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
It's not just like a row or two, it's like
half of the movie theater or something.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
I've never been to this that sounds.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
I love those kinds of rides, but I don't think
I want to sit in it for fucking two hours. Sorry,
I mean I love I mean I love those kinds
of rides at Disney and at Universal Studios and everywhere
in between.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
But that's like three minutes, four minutes tops. Like after
a while, I'm like, I.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Gotta assume that that just becomes obnoxious and I don't
want to do it anymore.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
I'm not gonna watch the Irishman in D Box. That's
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Honestly, I would for the novelty of it. Yeah, I
want to go see it in a D box.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
I wonder what would be like the worst thing to
watch in D box, Just like something that has more
like maybe like Maniac and D box or like a
f like uh oh, you know would be great in
D box. Hardcore Henry Jesus Christ about people just having
to spew left and right God.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
In a movie that already makes you sick.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Yeah, or Cloverfield with with D box that would be
pretty good too.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
On D box. They should have done it more in
the two thousands when like cameras were getting smaller and
they were like, we can move this around so much now,
and they were going hardcore with it every time.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Interesting. Uh yeah, this has been This has been such
a fun topic to dive into because it's so it's
so damn unique, and when you think of micro genres,
this is the type of thing that I think people
will like happily dive into because when you think about it,
your list itself had what twelve movies and even if
you add time after time, which again it's a borderline

(54:55):
if it counts or not. Thirteen. I was trying to
think real hard of some other ones. But this is
not a wide.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Genre, no, And I was I'm very glad you gave
me one because I was sitting there like, man, I
wish I could you know. I love when I run
across them because I'm just like, it's like the one
list I take care of on letterbox. It's like, I
will take care of this one, and I'm like, I
cannot think of any other ones. I like searched and
searched and searched. So I'm glad you gave me another
one though. I'm very excited about that. Yeah, I appreciate that. Well,

(55:25):
why don't we talk about they Live by Film again
for a minute. What are some of the like the
deep dives that you guys have done over the last
year just to maybe entice some more people to come
over and subscribe. Oh okay, so we just finish our
Cubic run. So if you want something like you're going
through as films or anything. I think our series on
that was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed doing it,

(55:45):
and I think it's nice unifier. Like as different as
our opinions are, I don't know most people like Kubrick
or at least like enough Kubrick films. It's gonna be
a lot different that me and Chris went to Van Treyer,
So that's a little bit. But beyond that, we have
plenty of interviews. I actually will talk while I sit

(56:07):
there and try to figure out which interviews we've done
most recently.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
But he's Sam Degan.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Yeah, see, you know better than me, and that's that.
I feel real sad now. But yeah, recently, one I
picked was a Nicholas Cage. I have an obsession with
Nicholas Cage. So if you want to hear us talk
about his post Oscar Win nominations of where he played
in the Rock con Air and Face Off, I think

(56:36):
that one's a lot of fun. It's we get really
into slocky mess. If you want to hear me miserable,
we did a guitar episode where I am completely miserable,
where I only liked one movie sort of okay, and
I have not watched any more of his stuff, and
I think I think those are two good ones. I
think those are good ones to start with, just because

(56:56):
I think it highlights some different types of movies. But yeah, I'll.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Go with that. Well, other than they live by film.
Where can everybody follow you on the internet?

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Sir? You can follow me on letterboxed on Dharma Bombs
all one word, I think you. I don't know if
you have to do one word, but it's all one word.
And beyond that you can follow us on Instagram. That's
where they live by film as well. I don't have
much social media privately, so yeah, that's about all you

(57:28):
can call me on.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Zach is also a frequent collaborator over on my channel.
We do some fun out of the box conversations. He's
on Reconnected every so often, and he's some of the
one of the guests that I look forward to the
most because we always dive into something random. The first
couple of times we did it, it was very horror focused.
So after that we said, let's start doing some things
that are a little off the wall. We've been doing.

(57:51):
We've been doing some fun ones for that. We're about
to do another one soon, so I hope everybody comes
and checks those out. What about you, Chris?

Speaker 2 (57:57):
As always, you can find me over at weirdingwaymedia dot com,
where this show and so many other fantastic shows can
be found, including the ones that I work on, but
I always like highlighting you things that I don't work
on because I think they're pretty amazing on their own.
The Feminine Critique, Eighties tv Ladies, the award winning podcast
Eighties tv Ladies, and film Entarie is a projection booth.

(58:17):
I could keep going, but I think you should just
take your fingers, type in weirding Way Media on whatever
keyboard you're sitting in front of and listen for yourself.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
What about you, Ryan everywhere under the Disconnected and someone's
favorite productions. There's lots of stuff coming out over this
next year that whether it be physical media or a
zine called The Physical Media Advocate, or who knows what
other idea, I'm going to throw out their next and
hope to God that its successful. So we'll see looking
forward to all those, Zach, thanks for doing this. Hopefully

(58:47):
we can have you on again because one of the
other topics that you hinted at, I'm dying to have
you on for it, so we'll look to get that
scheduled for the next couple months.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Well, thank you guys for having me. I very much
joint that's there's a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
I'm glad. On that note, we hope,