Episode 204: Do You Care About the Charts

Today we talking the hip hop charts and what that means for the genre overall, what is relevant to legacy in hip hop, some more horror topics and more

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
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Speaker 2 (01:02):
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I got my man for Cardi said, saying the building.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
With everybody it is still sucking Halloween. I don't give
a fucking.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
You got di the building? What is happening people? What
is happening in people?

Speaker 2 (01:20):
We got I don't know what doing.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
They got kick off the shot or to do everybody?
How y'all doing? How was everybody Halloween? Man? It was good.
It was smooth.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Obviously we all went off. You know, wait, do people
and in your players? Did y'all give up handy at all?

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Bro? Trick stream was so crazy this year, Like it
was at night that time.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
This time it was only Friday, Like we haven't had
that forever, No because brown there there's the weekend before.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Only want to change yet because they had it Friday night,
which was dope, because said my pops, he remember when
they stopped it because like it was around the time
when they was young and somebody ended up getting kidnapped,
and so my mom and pops was talking about it
like that's when they stopped the night one and they
would do it on then like the Sunday after Halloween
or the Sunday before Halloween.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
But this was the first ship that they brought it
back as a night.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
But I mean I didn't understand that. I guess I
feel like I've always Trick Street that night he was
a kid.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
That's why think about how long ago that was, like
certain neighborhoods and Milwaukee has always been you know what
that moved afternoon of Sundays like that one to four
block or whatever.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Yeah, that makes.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Sense then because like I said, like I do remember
like the nighttime trick.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
I remember the kid.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Of course, when I got older with a kid, we
wouldn't even trickstret our neighborhood, no work, because we're going
treating in like outside of Milwaukee County.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
You said, we were doing it in the.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Brown Deer for the longest for us, you know, I'm
saying still, but like I'm saying, but like this Friday,
you know what I'm saying, This fast Friday, it was
we had a couple, we had a lot of kids
pop up on our on our block, and it was
just really dope.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Just kind of see that because I remember, like I said,
growing up, like I said, trigger treating that night. You
know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying, people
scaring you and ship like that. Like I used to
always love that you get to the house, they got
like the coughing out.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
There, you know, you know somebody only.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
I think that's what it would because in some cases,
even on the Sundays, like you said, you were still
cat your Milwaukee daytime tricker treating and still go somewhere
else at night.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
The trick treat that nighttime w because that's that's where
that's where the fun happens, you know what I'm.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
Saying, and everything like that.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
But again, yeah, we went out. You know what I'm saying,
Hey man, happy birthday to my nigga Paccardi.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Yeah, you know what, I thank you, thank you. We
was off a pie because Bacarty was out of town.
But you know, since they moved on for another year
and we got to do.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Some Halloween ship you know last year we went to
we did the Haunted House for you.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yeah, so that was fired.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
I definitely I definitely missed out of my Houn House
action this year as a leaf a. You know, at
one time, even if I'm gonna go once at least.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
And we saw the xenom Worf turned up to Afro Beats.
Was crazy. That was the white ship.

Speaker 6 (04:17):
What's there was a white white Afro Beat all these
black people, all these Africans.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
And she was in there getting it with a cold
like she said.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
And I remember, like I said, when we first saw
like with the light flash like you like, I feel
like feel like a for real like like a slow head,
like don't what the fuckings going on?

Speaker 4 (04:43):
Like like no, that was that was dope. That was dope.
It was smooth, and then you know what's fun. So
here's what I realized.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
I realized that I haven't been to a lot of
afrobeats clubs, right because when old girl was working and
the nigga was doing like doing call the Jamaican ship
with the leg up and ship, I realized, you've never
seen that in person. I never seen that in person.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
Slips ship.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
I was legit waiting for him to spin on her
ass because I was like, bro, he was they was
doing all the look yes, yes, look what I was.
I was. I was like, bro, this nigga about to
jump over somebody, and like, bro, I ain't never.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Seen it in person. I only seen it online.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
And so I believe now when you see a bigga
chip off the roofs, y'all really go crazy like be
doing it. Second realization, dish fit this spot which maybe
believe this nigga didn't be an abrial beats club like
the movies.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
I've never seen before. I walked over he was doing
it to the garden in the elements I do. I
do like a good afro around telling me what brought
me in there?

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Just this, this is this really my introduction to an
afro club.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
That was your first time?

Speaker 2 (06:02):
I re like bro Bro, I go to a lot
of nigga ship and then you know what I'm saying,
maybe some pop ship, white people ship.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
I ain't never been at afrobe spot. This is my
literally my first time. I mean's a different vibe, ain't
you really? It's really hard to see nobody moving right.
There's a lot of afro beat spots that be happening
on the East Side.

Speaker 6 (06:21):
But if you really want to turn up, you really
want to challenge yourself, be musty by the end of
the night, go to Chicago nigga that Afro beach party
and it'd be the same settings. It don't always be
big viees. About've been to like too. That was in
a big view. Then we went to a club where
it was an afrobeast DJ and then at the end
they had it was not jeezy.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
It was something big Boy.

Speaker 6 (06:46):
Big Boy came out and I'm like, Nigga, we in
this motherfucker hot dying.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
It's so infectious. Bro. What then like the first five
minutes I was in that circle like yeah, you Nigga's
a move that.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
We saw.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
I was doing it. I was like, we're doing it.
You just can't you just can't steal. I saw like
three dance battles, like you know what I'm saying. That
was like, Bro. I was like, Bro, this is this
is a vibe. Bro.

Speaker 7 (07:16):
Like the first one I ever went to it was
a warehouse party. Wow, it was a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
It was a lot of people.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
It was great.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
That's not like that's cracking like I said, it's just
like you really understand like when you be in certain
spaces like that and just like be especially when it
is like a party that's like this is pure afro.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
You really do.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Understand dynamic, dynamic of all those other locate like just
being in a hood bar hearing nothing but rap all day.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
You're saying being like an R and B job, Like.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
You're saying, like the vibes are so different in all
different spaces. Like like I said, even just going to
R and B, like just doing this pure R and B,
different vibes and just like being at a nigga you're saying,
it was like.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
You know, and this is what for me would I
also even even just even realized, even with the month
of October, having that, like I said, going out to
that spot of afrobeats and shit like that, and this
more of a Halloween the vibes and shit like, to me,
this has been my most Halloween October that I've had
in a while. And yet because here's the thing, in general,
the week of Halloween is usually when I go, like

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really go hard on, Like I'm gonna watch some spooky movies, you.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Know what I'm saying, maybe play a horror game.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
But because y'all been playing horror games all month, I've
been tapping into y'all stuff a lot. I started playing
some different indie horror games and shit like that.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
I was watching. I did my Stranger Things rewatch to
try to get, you know what I'm saying, in the
mindset for the next Stranger Thing. So I finished that.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
You know what I'm saying, I just I've been doing
way more Halloween stuff for the full month of October
that I'm like, bro, I don't think I've ever had
a full October. Like I said, Halloween, I generally give
it a week. I know that y'all normally probably give
it a little bit more attention. But for me, this
has been the most October, most Halloween October I've ever had.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
I mean, I feel like that even in space, like
I said, me trying to make it a very intentional
like playing horror games and doing ship like you're saying, like.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
You know, I mean, the horror movie thing is just
year round. I don't really know for you is you're saying.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
I try to put more intentional in it and like
to but it be like, bro, you're gonna watch this
ship you're saying, like you're gonna all you're saying. But
the gaming thing for me was like, bro, like let's
specifically pick especially because I'm just not getting in too
my Twitter. It was like, let's actually trend like not treading,
but you know, like let's play make.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
Sure for that ship this.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
But I didn't realize McCarty was as scary as he
was with horror games.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
Nigga had me playing that game blind. I'm like, I'm
not annoyed like this.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
This is a revelation for me with Briccardi and gaming.
I did not know that he was that jump scared
with games and ship like that. Was playing Tasmo Sobie
and he was like, bro, I don't play game.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
I was like, wait, what right? You make it like
this whole I'm like, all right, cool, I can't what
you said. Let's play. And I'm like, hell yeah, somebody
else I know who be playing these games. But it's
gonna be smooth.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Answered so many questions because I remember when that Resident
Evil was the sixth the one.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
The first that the first person shooter, first person first one.
I remember when it first came out, right, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Me and Live talked about it how much we love
that game, and Riccardi really didn't. He was like, oh yeah, man,
I probably check it out, but he never did. I did.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
I haven't. I got a small it's still on my Twitch.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
I realized the games that Briguardian a deep dive into
a whole lot of indie games, horror games, ship like that,
but like the first person one, know them Chase one,
he don't really get it too.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Answered so many questions that I really if you got
that last try right now, we need to try that.
But I'm like, that's what I'm saying, Like it's you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
But I mean I grew up on like like real
Resident Evil third person behind and I enjoyed that. Yeah,
we too, because like, but like I said, one is
switched to first person. I'm like, bro, it's a different
kind of game.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
But I've never played like even like I never like
it was call of duty and that kind of got
me in the first person games. I really always enjoyed
third person games over really anything like Parents like Eve,
Resident Evil them are my favorite, Like you and.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
I really don't. I'm not a big first person shooter.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
I like only first person game that I generally like,
I invest in that. I'm like, all right, I'm okay
with is call of duty most I avoid most first
person shooters first person mode games. Right, So when but again,
I love the Alien franchise so much that I was like,
all right, I'm gonna do the Alien Isolation one.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
I love the Resident Evil franchise much. I'm gonna do
Resident Evil one. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
But so it's like the property has to be bigger
than my disdain for first person and I mean that's
why I didn't like Cyberpunk as much, as great as
that game is. After three, after an hour and a half,
I said, I cannot continue to play this game.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
I like this first person.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Like the only game I played like that and that
I actually enjoyed was Dead Sex Person. Yeah, I actually
really enjoyed as a third person I mean as a
first person game. But I mean, yeah, it's like it's
really like the like it's just really the first person aspect.
To me, it is just so I guess it's supposed
to be immersive, but I also feel like in my mind,

(12:16):
I feel like it's a cheap shot at like it's
just the art in general, Like when you in third parton,
you just see more the surroundings, You see more what's
going on.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
I might disagree, Like I'm.

Speaker 7 (12:25):
Gonna one hundred percent disagree as somebody who's been learning
Unreal Engine, that shit don't change you are, like, but
you still have to create all of that. It's just
your camera is different, like literally from it's a it's
a switch of a camera.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
So to me, the reason why I disagree to also,
I feel like, if we're talking about the technicolities of it,
I think it's more impressive to be able to create
a first person like.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
I like the technicolity behind first person. I definitely appreciate.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
I just as a gamer, I don't enjoy it because
I'm a I like to casually game, right, I feel
like first person I've really got to be.

Speaker 7 (13:04):
But also now with that to going to the technicology,
you have to think about things in perspective of you
looking at you a third person, you don't necessarily you
have a you have a set volk. You have like
a set point that you can always say, hey, this
all should be five meters away from it.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
So I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
But when you and third person like, like, go see
your like just whatever you can see the walk you're
saying that you see the amount of effort put into
like nigga, we did show this nigga moving around, but like,
you don't see that in the first person, like and most
game first person looking at your feet, ain't no feet there.
They don't put the feet you're.

Speaker 4 (13:38):
Saying, it's just your hands, nigga, Like that's all it is.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Even though you can look everywhere, you can't see none
of your body where you should. So I feel like
that's like the cheap thing of it is like we
can remove the whole body element and what the environment
does to this person's body to just give you a
visual immersion of what but you not like I lose
myself as being like I'm not the actually I'm not
actual person here because I got my hands like.

Speaker 7 (14:09):
A lot of well I don't say a lot, but
there are definitely a good number of first person games
that they do show your feet and your legs moving
and stuff like that. And again I can't say it's
a cheat of it, because I think it's it's.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
Just a different use of technically, it's a different use.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
So in a game like Call of Duty, though, would
you would you want that to be a third person
they had the third person with which you enjoyed boards
because because I wouldn't even want to pay I wouldn't
even want to play.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
That's fast paced for like frenzy ships, like I don't
really like I'm just shooting my gun. Yeah, so it's
like I don't care about my feet.

Speaker 7 (14:50):
But most of the games that our first person like that,
our games like that that are fast paced shooting games like.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
That, Like I don't have not gonna say that this
was one of my favorite, Like like I can play
action rent the game, but when you when you really
get me immersed into a space for now, I gotta
be looking for clues and up and up in this
area and do like.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
To me, I get it.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
But that's why that's why I said, like I can
play if Resident Evil didn't have like the like the
newer Agents Evil didn't have a chase mechanic, I was
playing all day. So it's like because I can still
sit in first person and just enjoy, you know, looking
for this and doing whatever. But now it's a nigga
coming after me every time you're saying and I gotta
keep looking back or I gotta keep being in the corners,
like I don't need all that energy like I actually do.

(15:32):
Like that's gonna say, I like third person gains more
cause I really like to sit in moms and just
be like you're just looking at the I know what
I need to do here.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
Now I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
But however, if we're when we're getting into horror games,
and if we're talking about guess what is the purpose
of a horror game?

Speaker 4 (15:47):
It's also Sario evoke you.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Like I said, I think a third person shooter definitely
is best for horror games. Like I said, as much
as I love first person shooter as much as I
love third person shooter.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
First person in a horror day Okay, Okay, yeah, that's
how I said it wrong.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Much as I love third person third person view first
person in a horror game, it adds way more because
one not only that most of the ones that are
the first person, they want you to put the headphones on, right,
So now you got the headphones on, now your first
person you really immersive in it.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
It adds to the terror. Bro I think both have
their qualities.

Speaker 6 (16:21):
They do you can you could definitely get some terror
out of a third person because like certain is it
the call of duty, zombies, certain wave after wave, you
don't know what's behind you, And I think that's the
whole purpose. Is like one view can be the just

(16:41):
like we say, for the sound immersiveness of it, where
you hear the sounds and you feel it.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
Where that other view is like terror.

Speaker 6 (16:50):
Like yeah, we want to have suspense for first person,
but I want terror for third person.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
And sometimes that's me. I enjoy the fact where it's
like I.

Speaker 6 (16:59):
Need like when we were and it's like I don't
have an option other than picking it up and like running. Yeah,
so I didn't like that. It wasn't like a scare
for me. It just kind of made me feel like
I have no control really over my environment or the
game where when I'm playing Zombies Nigga and I'm running,
but like you said, I can see.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
That red getting darker and darker, like ship like I got.
It's something about.

Speaker 6 (17:20):
That where it makes me think better, makes me think
a little harder, Like how am I gonna get.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
Out of there?

Speaker 7 (17:25):
I was gonna say to that, And to that point
you start to feel like, oh shit, this is really
happening to me.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Like that's what I think.

Speaker 7 (17:30):
What I was gonna say when you said you just
made a mistake. That for me first person is like
when you got a jump scare or something. It really
do feel like because obviously you in it, because that's
my first time in the screen whatever, Like you might
in the third person, you might see a little thing
hid in there You're like, let me go here in
the stag. Okay, now I was making sense because I

(17:55):
do like the fact that like it really do feel like,
oh ship okay, Like.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
For me is like it is like like like.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Even even I still get scared, even like we're like
what words like the over even if it's the third person,
like just the overrun, like a third person.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
You do see that kind of dynamic like a zombies
like you said we talked about.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
In first person, you just feel it, hits it whatever
behind you. But in third person you're gonna see like dog.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
But it's like.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
The third person when fifty motherfucker zombies that surrounding me,
I feel more confident that I can come out at
person you've seen the right the.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
First person, I feel a little bit more like, Okay,
this might not go out. When you when you see
walla zombies coming at you, you're like sh You're trying
to move to cad see my eggs in and ship
like that.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
You know what I'm saying first person, I really don't know,
Like that's what I'm saying, Like I feel like like
it really it is that is that it's that change
of like vision because like I said, when I was
talking about ZE seven and I talked about like I said,
the only video that's ever shown on my Twitch is
the scene if anybody played it like I said, when
they was when he was eating with everybody at the

(19:03):
table like early in the game, and then he got
a wait for the table and the very first time
the damn.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Bust through the wall. You're seeing like I can evil,
And that's first first. So I'm like, bro, I remember
pause that ship like.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
That, y'all. Bro, That's how I said it.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
With the Alien isolation the first time I realized that
this one is a little bit more sensitive. It's not
just like regular Nemesis chase where I could just go
like I was running and I was like, okay, get
up unt of this tape. I got up out at
this table. I saw the alien come through, and.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
I must have like nudged a little bit, made a
little bit of noise. That a ren so fast, but
it got me. I said, oh ship. And to be
a truth with them.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
As much as I love hard games and I know
and I know they probably have the best animations, I
don't like dying like I feel like Resident Evil, even
making my time playing one, two.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
And three then with straight clean rugs like if I died,
I'm really like, yo, bro, pause, you know. The only
time I ever like one of my like I said,
we all died. If you didn't die, he was close
to dying. The first thing players Evil when the dogs
came through the window.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
You didn't expect that, You didn't know what about.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
There's ever a time like I think. I think for me,
I probably have the less. If I really talk about
my history of me playing as Evil, I have not
seen none of like written, none of the deaths.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Like like, I'm just really evil. The first one to remember,
I would, I would do a replay. You know what
they did really well? They really set up the terror
of the screen because you remember before before them dogs come,
remember it does that that quick run where.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
It's like you, not even it's not you.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
It's a cut scene and it's it's first person of
the dog, the dog running real fast, and then it
comes back to you.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
And then they bust through in broth. They said they.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Set that horror whoever, like the director of the Resident
Evil one game, the original one, they really had a
vision and they really like like the only the.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Only two times I remember, I feel like I've never
If I did die by the liquor, it was by accident.
But the only thing I know, I strually died by
that really blew my ship was the Hunters.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
Take up in one swoop with the hind but also
but then you got like Silent Hills.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Silent Hill really set the scene like a motherfucker playing
a Silent.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
Hill to remake that ship terrified.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
But but think about the original, the original when you
like remember because if you if you remember the Silent
Hill game, you first get to that town and it's
a regular town, right, it's empty, but it's a regular town,
like there's no people there, but it's empty.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
And then that first.

Speaker 6 (21:41):
You got to go with something to come out, and
then that.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
First nightfall is when you really realize, oh wait a minute,
there's another aspect the side of the hill that I
did not know about. And that's what you say, because
I think, if I'm not mistaken, that first nightfall happened
when you go to that first tunnel or that first building,
and that's when you first see those things there with
the if you take the flashlight away, you know what
I'm saying, You gotta put the flashlight on them to
keep the.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
Nurses because they keep coming. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Never, I feel like I've never heard that he was
talking about. Have you ever played any hard games really no.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
No, I feel I walk.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
The Tai walking dead, Yeah, walking dead, and like what
is that dear one?

Speaker 4 (22:25):
Guns with the guns? He is the first person game.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
I played, like like zombie games, zombie horror games like
Waves though right, like like Days Gone, Okay.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
The third person is not like Days Gone with like
that gave me anxiety, like to watch Niggers play and
like that the Hord coming out, like bro, that's too much.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
But said something like that, Like when I play Last
of Us Hordes come right, I feel like I feel
more confident that I can get out of that Hord
in that third person, but it's like Days Gone.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
When is that first person?

Speaker 1 (22:59):
You know?

Speaker 2 (23:01):
But like the games where what's the other one Left
for Dead? When the hordes come and left it, I
feel way more anxiety that I'm not going to be
able to get out of here.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
I mean I get that, but look at that s
you up, Like even Left for Dead as a first
person game, the scars of Left for Dead, what's shooting
like killing zombie and that other muff that I can just
grab you out of nowhere and you're like hold on,
I got like now I'm snatched up or.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Whatever so it's like, I difinitely agree with that. So
technicology question for you, because I feel like you would
know this answer.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Swapper what's happening by he shout out, swipe man.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
In the building? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
More Steam games, in any games are first person. It's
the first person easier to do the third person.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
I mean when you got a lower budget, Yeah, for sure.
I mean Viaccardia is right when he says, you don't
you know, you don't.

Speaker 7 (23:54):
Have to see half your things, and like when you
don't have to you don't have to worry about essentially
doing a character model.

Speaker 4 (24:01):
That that's that's.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Because I realized that, because like I'm just a physical
are diving more into Steam, you know what I'm saying,
Steam games and everything like that, the games that.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
We can try a horror game.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
But I realized that all the games that even interest
me that I've been seeing have been first person.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (24:19):
A lot of indis, especially on Steam. It feels like
I and obviously Steam has so many games, but it
definitely feels like a lot of them are first person.
And I do think it's because not necessarily it's easier.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
You don't. Either you don't. Maybe the person doesn't know
how to.

Speaker 7 (24:36):
Make a good character model, or he's like trying to
hear she is trying to outsource it.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
That's less I gotta pay if I need to go
first person. So that kind of leads me to a
fun topic that I have.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
If you guys, was able to develop a game one
or are you doing first person?

Speaker 4 (24:53):
Third person? Probably third person third person?

Speaker 2 (24:59):
I'm development to I already. I already had my game
idea forever.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
You're saying the.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
First person is actually a top down top so first
person third person top down?

Speaker 4 (25:13):
Mine is third person, third person easier trip Mine could
be third person too, but or rather I like top.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Down, I'm gonna go first person, first person, I'm going
third person for sure. What type of game you're making?
So you already got your let' start with you. I
told like, bro, I told you already that. And my
thing is like it came even with it would be
the idea was already four gee seid, But it's like
he said, it became solid, like oh, that's the perfect idea.
But it's like it would be like this, like the
top downs.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
I always ate my neighbors you're said, or Selda in
a sense, but it's a zombie game, like what I'm
saying against the Waves, like you're still doing that, but
it's like question, I got my thing is I love that?
I always would love that sprite like that kind of
like you're.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Saying, so, yours is not necessarily Waves of Hordes. It's
an actual storyline story go through stage.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
But you got to like because my thing is like
Zelda is one of my favorite favorite games.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
You're saying, so, and Zelda has been made in so.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Many like that that look and that even design of
the game hasn't made in so many other kinds of games.
You're saying, like this a top down dungeon crawler, do this,
do this, get this new weapon to do this whatever.
So it's like that's the same thing I would want
to do, Like I would want to do a top
down sprites and you know, but if you just put
it into insign me a pockalypt style. So it's like

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it would be whoever you pick, like if it was
a key set team, like whoever you pick, you got
to save everybody else, like you're saying, and just you know,
like you got a squad of everybody you can pick from,
and you literally doing some of your pocalypse top down,
getting new weapons, everybody got their own abilities or whatever,
because like players like Zelda, Okay, it's really to me
in my life's a really youth. The game eventually definitely happened.

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What type of game did you make?

Speaker 4 (26:52):
Like a narrative RPG style game, so like you know,
open world.

Speaker 7 (26:55):
This short like how Ghost take a sus Sushima like
those type of open world games, and but it wouldn't
be open like a super open story like I wanted
to have a set narrative okay, so right.

Speaker 6 (27:10):
Oh, mom, would be more like a little blend of
like a Devil may Cry, like a Gotham Arkham Knight,
because I would want like a I would want all
the serial not serial killar but like movie or you
know headliners, whether it's Freddie Jason Chucky. You know how

(27:31):
like a Double may Cry, you gotta go against a
different boss or a different demon and then and through
that stage you gotta deal with whatever their you know,
power is. I would love to have that where like
each stage you're just going through a different like whatever.
That top movie would be so like night broa on
Elm Street three. You gotta go through the cycle, you know,
the cycle ward to get to the Freddy, and through

(27:52):
it you're gonna have jump scares and all that shit.
But all you got is like pistols or you know
what I'm saying, maybe like a graph or some shit
that would be.

Speaker 8 (28:00):
Okay, trip wrestling, the house wrestling, literal wrestling up Airbnb.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Wrestling a different seting you said podcast, you get the term,
the gek said podcast.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
You're still like.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
More like a taste of life type of deal, like
Bully or.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
Bully, Bullies Bullies.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
I'm going through it right now because I got g
T A plus and so you get access to old
school Rockstar games I've been playing.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Bully would still be like I said, it would still
be like a school setting thing like.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
Bully or yeah, a school or neighborhood from your house
to the school and everything that can go wrong in
the neighborhood between the neighborhood and the school, your house
and the school, so you got all of those different
high jinks and of just making it to school, then
everything that's happening at school, you know, the high jinks
from after school to coming home or you know, any

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other outside activity that you have for that week.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Bully to me as a as a I guess you
wanna say the sense like a symbol of our early ages,
like a fighting sim or whatever Bully was. Because you
had to go to school, you do, claud You had
to do like things, but you also still had like
you are kid, so motherfuckers, you got bullies and you
got the crushes.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
The teachers on you. You can't be tarty, you can't
like like I enjoyed Bully, Mine would.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Be kind of like, you know, I realized mine might
not be a third person. It might not be considered
a third person. It might be considered I think second person.

Speaker 7 (29:38):
But if it because I don't know, I don't know
what this is called.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
But it's kind of like it's a mix of like
battle acts and blood in the sand. So you're not
where you like, let's say me you ditch and like
if all of us had a character that we play,
but we're all on the same screen.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
We can see the same screen, but we're all kind
of like, you know, we got to gop co op.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, you just sound like you just I guess you're
talking about like you're talking about the battle that the
battle like we're fighting each other.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
No, we're on the same team. The goal is to
get clear the stage and go to the next stage.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
But it's everybody has different assets, so it's like if
it's geek set, like like my move, I.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
Might have speed, you might have fire, did might have lightning?

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Like you know, I'm saying everybody, yeah, yeah, but we're moving,
pushing for the story.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
It can be first to third however you want. It's
just pretty much a co op.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
But but that but that look of how like streets
of rage and battle acts, like what is that you're
talking about side scrolls, but it wouldn't be sidec That's
why I said blood in the same it's two point d. Yeah, yeah,
blood in the sand that but whatever that yeah, but
whatever that was whatever, I don't know what that view
was called. That that was okay, yeah, blood sanies over

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the shoulder like you're saying.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
But nonetheless, that would be it would be where it
would be.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
A co op where people like you know what I'm saying,
each character has a different one.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Of course they's gonna be around some hood ships. So
we just saying like this stove gig, well like this
multiple people like like so yeah, so like say, I
would have to find the version. Yeah, okay, two point five.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
So it's still side scroll, like it's still like we're
going from one room to the next one.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
But like I said, but we were doing it like
either taking over a block or something like that.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
You know what I'm saying, You know the.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Ultimate like drug Empire and ship like that, because then
and have like GTA elements in it.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
You know what I'm saying. We definitely selling drugs, were definitely
running in houses.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
No, No, he didn't do hard. I just said what
type of game? Okay, my bad? I thought you said
what type of horror? No, I was just it's whatever
kind of game like mine was like like bro, yeah game.
That game has been in my mind ever since I
ever played. Tell so for me because there's a couple
of games, because I have a casual game that I
want to do.

Speaker 7 (31:56):
So somebody else confirmed first, because it could just be bolded.
I don't know what he was like, he just got here,
but something Is it just him or something?

Speaker 4 (32:03):
With the mic? Can you hear me? Let me say
that we looked listen, look I was I was gonna
sayst so are we good. Maybe it's me my voice
is as you know.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
That might be bold said, I did just change it.
It wasn't on the marching track.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
So okay. But like I got a casual game.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
So like you know, I listen, I love like my
roller Coaster Tycoons and you know what I'm saying, sim
City and Sims and ship like that.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
Right, So there was just one game. Wait, this is
still inside there two point five. This is another game
that game.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Crazy started over and I got a casual game that
I also always had in mind.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Hurt that sentence, but I thought you meant like inside
this game.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
But I always had this idea of a game. So
there was this one game and it almost had it.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
But it was his game mobile called Crime Coast right,
and it was literally it was literally yeah, and it
was literally like that. It was literally like it was.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
A game where like you pretty much you create your game,
but you're taking over blocks and everything like that, but
you really got to build, like you know, you you
get to build your your base.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
Is this No, I'm not doing that. That game is decade.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Where where I felt that they lacked in is that
it was more so just like a base setup, like
you set your base.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
And everything like that building, but there was never no.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Like you know what I'm saying, You gotta get active,
you gotta go out there and actually distribute the drugs.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
So like I always had this.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Kind of like blend of like that crime Coast style
game also with like a like a Farmville, but it's
really more focused on drugs, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
Gonna make one one one type of game.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Yeah, Yo, My other game that I really really really
can I really actually like chess, like this first chess,
but I would love because I've only played a couple
of them, Brandy, and it don't be a lot of them.
But like I love actual real battle chess games where

(34:14):
the chess pieces are actual pieces. So when you do
the actual like whatever it is, it's a fight scene
and like it's only been like two in my.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Life ever play I'm like what I'm saying, it goes
like also, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
So like so if I had, like, could you say
a casual game, I would I would definitely do a
chess game that was a battle chess. So it's like
even if you think you about like if I'm even
I'm just trying to take this pawn to this pawn.
You still gotta beat like we when we go to
that scene and me Likenlage like your bad.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
We gotta fight. So you if you beat me the nugga,
you just lost you.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
Also, I want to ask, do everybody here play chess?
I know this? Do I know? I do?

Speaker 6 (35:01):
I just learned that you used to. I ain't playing
like middle school.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
I feel confident my chess skills like dig I look
at Digits, my only competition.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
Okay, that was a lot of statement. I'm just saying off.
That's because I know Dish.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
I know me and Dish didn't play, so I know
Digit my competition me and we try to we go
against my pops. That's who taught us. You know what
I'm saying. I didn't know about your chess game, so
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah, I mean I played, I was, I was. I
had my moment of my life and being in school,
being on the team. He was a chess club mid
middle school, middle school. I have my Ruther food and
the white person.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
That's definitely you know that could be something listening all right,
A little behind the scenes, were talking about.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
New content that we can do. We got there's a
lot of competitive.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Games that we we need to get some some pecking
order in geek set.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
I mean we can get Connect for a tournament.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Is going to get some tournaments going, you know what
I'm saying, get some tournaments.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
Man ain't gonna lie. I just learned how to play
Battleship this year. Just I've only played like.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Broa we had in the middle, which is crazy because
my dad introduced us to Battleship when we was moving
around the country early.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
What love Battleship? I left to play Battleship. We played
battle Shots.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
You gotta play it on the phone. I was on
the phone. You got it because you ain't got that game.
They got an electric board.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
Now that yeah, the election saying yeah, like I like
the idea of it.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
But it was always like, so what classic game do
you believe that you are a beast in that nobody
can see you in?

Speaker 4 (36:42):
Like when I believe trouble Chess Connect for I'm player War.
I mean, I mean I.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Do feel like I do feel like I'm you don't
want to see me in cans Bro.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
Quarters Quarters is Christy curveball.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Curveball, which the curve, curveball.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
Going to come back and it comes back to you.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
The goal is to hit You got to throw the
ball like I'm on one side curve on the other
side of y'all niggas needed.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
To create that. It's almost like it's almost like carry
you haven't hit it the right way. Remember tips, Yeah, bro, tips,
I remember tip Yeah. Tip. I was like the morning work.
We would do that before we go. Timp out was
first as the kids trying to sag a nigga out like.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
I don't have to wait, I wait, listen cans. I
love cans. I ain't never shoot a teen. I only
go for twenty higher, never shot at ten.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
You know, I feel like I'm pretty leading cans Cans.
I was out of two three like you said, three shooters.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
I hate. Would have wanted to be asked.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Laying the game, and I would lay like I feel
very confident in chests. I feel very confident Monopoly because
I play. I play Monopoly as a strategy. Like I said,
some people play casually, some people don't like to play.
Some people play just to play. I played Monopoly with
a strategy. I love Monopoly like so when people say

(38:16):
it takes too long, I'm like, not with me. I
know how to get niggas up out of there. I'll
be on it. In Monopoly, I mean.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
I feel like, sorry, sorry I was I mean sorry.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
I like sorry, I mean Chess, I feel yeah Chess,
I feel like I'm I feel like I'm pretty elite
in chests.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
I ain't playing a very long time.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
I told my daughter, and that kind of stopped, like
we haven't played a long time, but I need a
new ports on of the reason why he's playing forever.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
I used to just I'm that type of nigga. I
used to actually like have it set and play myself.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (38:41):
You know what ches what makes chess so elite. Chess
is probably the only game board game that people look
for the exquisite version of it.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
Like if you see a marble or a glass chess board,
you stopped like clean. I hate. I always hated Checkers.
I like the Chinese Checkers better Chakers.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
I hated because I feel like Shakers was like Domino.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Like Checkers, if you if you got, if you got
set up the right way, you flip the board on
the nigga, da, what was the one you like with
the like as Nigga.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
It was. It was not but it was an R word.
It was a game. Mom used to always have us
play it was it was because like I said, no,
it was a it was a board It was a
it was a board game with tows because I know,
we played My gen a lot like so that.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
I said, you know when you in the military and
you travel, you play a lot of these. Yeah, so
we played like I said, we used to play My John.
We used to play like Bro, like I'm trying. I
was the leading operation. Operation was Operation Hippo.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
You know I was good. I was. I was not
good at operation. You wasn't good at You didn't have
a city end.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
That's you know what game cross fire cross I was
fucking the leader. Bro got about cross Crossfire, Bro, that
was my ship. I had that motherfucking crossfires my ship.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
I forgot.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
We used to like you said, what you want pictionary,
Pictionary Pictonary is my ship.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
It was like rage. It's tough to say, like, oh,
I know I'm the leader.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Lying on a good partner, But I but the pictionary
truthfully as a game.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
Like I love like the show, even the show.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Like the idea of like Nigga got real quick and
you figured what like to me, like that is an
idea was one of the greatest, Like, that's a that's
a great game.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
So what's not the picture? What's the other one you
did before? Pictionary? Taboo? That's the one, you guess, right.
Taboo is also very reliant on the good team.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
But here's the thing I feel like with me because
I rely, I'm a I'm a callback machine.

Speaker 4 (40:53):
Right.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
We may have a joke about something and I'm like,
all right, old girl from overs, and you like you
remember it based off of what I'm good at that
I'm such a callback machine.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
But relying on this mate, it is.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
But I'm confident in my my able to call back
and how obscuring it is that you want to know
exactly what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
But when I bring it up.

Speaker 7 (41:19):
What I'm saying for a line on the teammate still that.
But I'm not even talking about them. I'm not talking
about like them being able to pick up what you
call back. You have to be able to have that
with that, Like there are many times I don't playing
Tamboo works, we're playing randoms I never I never played.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
But you start feeling confident, all right, you know, I'm
just meeting Kings for the first time. So being King
on teams.

Speaker 7 (41:40):
It's like, I gotta figure out to make introlnta because
I could be a bad teammate. King could be a
bad teammate, and neither one of us know that until
we start.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
So bad team.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
I feel that bad teammates because you already look at
you like this Nigga's not gonna help.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
It's communication.

Speaker 6 (41:59):
Play both of those with people that I've never played
games before, and it's the hardest the.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
World and trying to reference some ship you can't say, yeah,
that's what I'm saying to me.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
I'm like, all right, how well do I know this person?

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Like if I don't have any inside jokes with you,
I know it's gonna be hard. But I got at
least have some jokes that we only.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
Have that I can't.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Definitely okay, but no, And so in the realm of
a good partner. It makes me think though, so in
a game that absolutely requires a good partner, everybody here
plays s page.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
Right, No, I don't. You don't like that the same
reason you need plays, but he don't like to play. Nigga,
I know how to play used to play.

Speaker 7 (42:40):
I'm p I prepare, I prepared for battle every time
I want better for myself.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
At my theory has always been I was like, all right,
if I needed a space partner, I either got to
get a cardier king.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
That was my theory that you guys probably be the
best or really good as faith listen this thing.

Speaker 6 (42:59):
I have just seen so many fights and break like Nigga,
I've seen marriages Damn there fall apart over a reason.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
You think.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
It's like you can't be cold all the time, Like
even saying like Nigga, we all honest, like you didn't
have had a bad fucking hand or even your partner
you over, Like damn, I.

Speaker 6 (43:19):
Gotta because with me with a certain ship, right, Like
if you really good at something, you really good at it,
because that's just what it is. Spade is one of
them games where you could really you could be really
good at it because you just know how to use cars,
you know what I'm saying. So like the table you got,
you gotta know that you gotta understand what I have,
what people this person had.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
So that's what always blew me when it came to spacees.
It's like you.

Speaker 6 (43:44):
Gotta be very attentive and patient, like aware of the details.
I can't play with you, bro, if you got some
on your mind and.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
You go on to something right now, bro, you niggas
be so like, I'm like, bro, can we can't be
talking plays bads?

Speaker 1 (44:02):
No?

Speaker 2 (44:03):
No, you like, oh, we want to know what you got, nigga,
you got what books?

Speaker 4 (44:08):
Youve got?

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Like you.

Speaker 6 (44:11):
And that's that's why I stopped playing Spade because everybody
has a personal view.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
A housepae supposed to go. But that's why I said
I prepared for battle because I kept going there happy
like I know how to play, so I can play.

Speaker 7 (44:25):
But everybody, everybody don't play like that. Niggas don't care
about that because.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
Because if you are the talking to the nigga, then
anybody like brother y'all talking about.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
That's why you can't talk. You really have to go
in for battle. And I'm like, I don't. I want
better for myself. It's a game, it's great, but that's
too much.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Niggas make it very stressful. Another nigga walk in a
phase and winning what that was? Another nigga on the
outside pops in the same where y'all at the games.

Speaker 6 (45:00):
Yeah, because the hierarchy is who losing and which one
of y'all making? Yeah, yeah, which one of you niggas
don't know how to play? And it's gonna telling me
to talk to nigga trying to joke and ship. No, nigga,
pay attention to the car.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
But like I know, like I said for me, like
like I've been, I've been that kid that's been around
the adults at the table like you can't play it
situation right, So like but so I grew up actually
sawings like seeing like my father and my uncles whatever
cuss each other out talking but still plays.

Speaker 7 (45:30):
Like butting out. That part is fine because now I'm
paying attentions because I need to be able to talk
ship to.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
You about the first saying come on record like ships
and then be like they like whole ass like like
but you still.

Speaker 6 (45:46):
Like talking about like football today, but you know probably
said they probably talking in cold like a mother.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
Conversation was real for me.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
I've learned that because like when I tried to learn,
like being that space niggas like what the fuck y'all
talking about? And I'm asking about the day. So if
so all right? So one we are we know Clint
Coly shout out the creator of the world series and spades.
He calls up right now, Bacardi, I need you to
grab a space player.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
Who you grabbing? Who you picking out.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Of geek set for your money geek set?

Speaker 4 (46:21):
Please don't pick me.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Because I'm like, I feel like I feel like I
would just be like, well, if you get out of head,
can gonna be somebody? What's my thing is? Like I said,
I know how to play. So even though kingom but Nigga,

(46:43):
you're talking too much.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
You realize like we know he's doing that. So but
with something on the other side and take me be like, bro, y'all,
what the is this? Like a chill out? We got this?

Speaker 6 (46:52):
That's the thing. I don't talk like I respond what
I'm saying. I don't talk because that's the thing. I
want to throw niggas off.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
Know what it was like? So you know I'm having
a full blown con with kidding. He's like, ye y'all know,
like tweeeen.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Hold nothing having small talk try to get nigga might
get roight up.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
I say, we ain't talk about nothing like we chilling.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
I picked Ditch because I know his game, like I
said originally, like I said, in general, I'm like, I
as soon that y'all good, But I know digit's games.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
I probably pick this want to be frustrated with you me.
This is the partner against my parents manion times like
if y'all have a coach, you all talk to each other. No,
we haven't really, we haven't.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Really we haven't played enough to establish like qu'es and
ship like that.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
Am I thinking? Like I said, I'm playing with niggas.
Where where that ship is? That goofy like I've heard
I've been playing with niggas like.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
You let your hand right now, and it's like that
means like you haven't hurt you like like that space
I've been in that Like I've been in that space
with niggas.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
Like now, Bro, because listen, this story is real. Ship.

Speaker 6 (48:00):
I was playing at Walmart Bro two thousand and three.
We played you talked about it. We're talking about We
ran up Boston Nigga over receiving and then we placed.
We played we did Dominoes Nigga and we ran the
ass for an hour straight, two hours, so our spades,
our dominoes, and I learned facial expression conversation. All that

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shit matter because like my biggest thing, and it's a
secret I give because I ain't playing no more. Well,
my hand is pretty fucking nice. I'll just kind of smirk.
I'll just you know, I'll look at motherfucker you know,
give that, because then they know, oh, he got some
ship in his hand. My hand week is a bitch.
I'm gonna look at you straight like you got it.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
I went.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
The most open thing in spades that people allowed in
the space, even if you're lying, is well, hope you
got this one, because you might.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Have it be full of lion. But niggas can say
that across the table. Don't nobody say shit about it.

Speaker 4 (48:58):
So digital big. If you have to pick some geek set.

Speaker 7 (49:01):
I'll probably pick you like just because, like you said,
we've we've played together many a time. Even without being
able to talk, you can kind of under you can
understand like, all right, I ain't got this hand, know
that he got up.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
Mm hmm it probably did. I feel like we do
the least the mind of talking, you.

Speaker 6 (49:28):
Know, because I can tell his face was pressure and
everything like all right, Trip, But then I was like, Trip,
don't really sound like or you know he don't feel
like he.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Don't trip what you got.

Speaker 7 (49:50):
You can tell and like even though like you said,
he'd be silent sometimes, but like you could tell that.
This is our conversation talking about Spade. I looked over
a couple of times. He's not he's not how to
do anything to energet.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
You play what you got, but you know how to play, right.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
I don't play space because now everybody plays space the
same way.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
That's true, and I don't.

Speaker 5 (50:13):
I hate getting into that.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
How we do it here, it's like, well, you know
what the house rooms, house rules, joker stuff, all that
in general is how people lay that ship out does rules.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
I feel like post.

Speaker 5 (50:28):
Because you don't tell people how to play slad, but
you just know how you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
I feel like when you're in a house, Like if
I'm the host of my house and we're playing space,
it's my fucking house rules.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
If you win, even if you beat me, it's still
the house rules. Of course, that's the purpose.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
I don't get to the table were playing my way
now because we will like my parents house rules.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Back when we were.

Speaker 7 (50:53):
Still having twenty parties, my parents had them typed up
what happened during the state.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
I don't know what happened during the game, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
They're playing so his name if in reality, if I
had to pick somebody that I know everybody know, I'll
put my cousin Joe Doff.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Joey is one of the most My cousin Joey is
one of the most intense space players. He talked ship,
but he knows he knows how to play the game. However,
that nigga definitely has rules. And that's what it was
because because if I'm not mistaken, I think Pops in him.
They played jo Joe induce Deuice right, Dad will play whatever.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
But I believe that that's it.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
And Joey is that he one of the ones that
is like, no, we're gonna do it this way and everything.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
And so my father and again this that.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
That's uncle Rudolph to my cousin Joey, right, And so
of course they draw jackets with each other. My mother
said he got fed up, like no, we house rules.

Speaker 7 (51:46):
Funny bitches up because there was their pre party. So
I don't know what happened during the party that they disappeared,
but I was playing, you know, cousin, my dad comes
busted in room and pretty these damn rules again, I'm like.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
What are your legal crazy? And this is King would
know because he's he's a military man as well. My
father is a military man through and through right, very stoic,
very military man.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
However, still from the hood.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
You know what I'm saying, And it's funny, is because
it feels like there's only certain family members that can
bring the hood out of my dad, right, Like my
cousin Joey is that cousin that comes with hennessy and
pours up everybody. My dad don't drink hennessy until my
cousin Joey's around.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
Every event, family.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Event, I see, I look over, I to see my
cousin over there, and my dad cut like my dad
next thing, you know, my dad doing the splits in
the middle of the party.

Speaker 7 (52:40):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Still that still take me to a place that I
just never thought I would have to be in my life.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
Right lately but latantly saying, the last one took one
left because the last time he did it, it took him
along with the recovery than it normally does. You know
I'm saying, he let a specializa.

Speaker 7 (53:10):
I went over the house today after I had already
like we weren't at the event, so we we this
is your dad right now. The next day the packer
gave ball usually watching the living room, the big TV
and stuff, I'm coming, like, where's Dad?

Speaker 4 (53:27):
Like the way he's still sleep in there. He looked
it up.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
He was.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
Little too. Ain't no way picture in my father like
I got. But so like I said, I say all
that the same in that moment.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
The only person that get my dad dad and yelling
over the table over some spades is most likely my
cousin Joan.

Speaker 4 (53:52):
Michelle is his sister, older sister.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
So you know, it turned like and Mam Michelle, she
she that same one.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
She she also that little auntie.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
She out of all the aunts, you know, you know
Auntie Auntie s they evolved into a different level, right,
a lot of aunties they evolved into that.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
Reserved and you know what I'm saying a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
You know what I'm saying now At Michelle has been
at Michelle my whole life.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
She's the one that I'm twelve years old.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
I'm in the back of the station whacking and she
bumping two bock hit him up, wrapping every word.

Speaker 7 (54:20):
While Auntie's growing to reserve book. We ain't got no reserve.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
I feel like, okay, it depends.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
It depends on because at the nie I feel like
she is unless you get into political sports.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
It could be she just need feel passionate enough about it.
How the nice will go off in the heartbeat.

Speaker 7 (54:38):
At least the moors are deserved.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
Less you bring her food that she don't like, I
never know.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
We got we got characters in bro, like my aunt
Devor is one of the ones that you don't want
to go to a restaurant with. I love my Aunt
Deborah's so much, but she is guaranteed to send the
food back.

Speaker 4 (54:57):
Oh God, guarantee, like not like like you like, bro.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
If she don't give the food back, that is a shock, Like,
oh ship, she didn't send it back, like you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
So it's like, that's.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
That's that, that's that family dynamic. But yeah, spades, that,
like I said, most likely is Joey. That Joey your mom.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
Got over there?

Speaker 2 (55:15):
All right, So I want to have a hip hop
conversation with y'all because this this course has been pissing
me off, and I want to I want to get
y'all takes on it. All, Right, So the first time
and what they say thirty eight years, thirty nine years,
whatever the case, forty years, forty years, I think it
was rounding up.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Okay, okay, there has there's no hip hop song on
the top top forty billboard, billboard, billboard, Top forties, right,
and in forty years there hasn't been a hip hop
song on the This is.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
The first time, the first time that there's not one. Oh,
the first time is first time that there's not one.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
So now, of course, and this is more so the
stands and you know, of course, than saying it. But
it caused the conversation. So the stands like, oh, this
is what y'all wanted. Huh, y'all want to do?

Speaker 4 (56:00):
Champion K died and the clips and everything like that.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
But when Drake wasn't, y'all, y'all xd out Drake and
Nicki Minaj, and now look what happened to hip hop?

Speaker 4 (56:08):
Right? That's their argument. Yeah, so me as a part,
it was.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
That's the thing though, it's the common the common denominator
of the last year that everybody been on it.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
It's been Drake or Nick. Drake's definitely been on it everything,
but but he's not been the sole purpose.

Speaker 5 (56:23):
I think this last year was the first year in
a long time he's not on a song in the
top four. Yeah, he's always been on.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
He's always been on something like that. Now as an artist,
this is my take in regards to it. I was like, one,
I love hip hop, like as a culture, I don't.
I don't know when this happened, but I was like,
when the fuck did the charts determine the culture?

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Right?

Speaker 2 (56:43):
I was like, yes, it's it's It is a dope
feat to be like, oh yeah, I'm running the summer,
I'm on the chart. But for the love of hip
hop and in general what hip hop is as a culture,
it was always something that spoke about identity.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
It's spoke about our culture. It spoked about you know.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Being black people, expressions, spoked about you know what I'm saying,
the issues that's going on, and the focus was never
on the chart.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
No, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Yes, there's artists who make songs specifically for the charts
and make songs specifically to top the chart, but that
has not ever been.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
The essence of the core of hip hop.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
So to me, yeah, so to me, hip hop not
being on the charts is not as it is not
a slight to the hip hop culture in general, because
I'm like, we're still getting culturally dope artistic things. Like
I said, we got the Clips album, we got Tyler
the Creator album, we got Jid album, we got you
know what I'm saying, what Kendrick did there was, we

(57:35):
got what a Chance did, Like, we got so many
dope hip hop albums still, And I feel like even
with the conversations, like even when people debate, like when
I debate artists versus artists, I don't ever bring up
the sales and the charts and everything like that in
it because to me, I've focused on impact. I focus
on There's a lot of bro I talked about We
talked about it a couple of weeks back where I

(57:56):
was like, one of my favorite people that was on
Rock and Fello was Memphis Bleek. He wasn't a top
selling person in Rockefeller, but I loved the music that
he gave out. There was another group that came out
way before Clips, Right Run that way right before Clips,
and I thought that that album was perfect, but Clips
was just a little bit bigger. It was Philly's most
wanted Yeah, Philly's most wanted album, get Down or Lay Down?
Fully Neptunes produced same type of vibe and everything that

(58:19):
you would have got onup of people.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
He had two groups of design.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
And I love that album and I still champion that
album anytime time I talk about a flawless album front
to back, I talk about Twist, the Adrenaline Rush, Right,
these are albums that are not conventionally successful on the chart,
but they still mean so much to hip hop as
a culture. So to me, I was just like, all
this conversation about all hip hop's dot on the chart?
Hip hop is dead? Now y'all did this champion Kendrick

(58:46):
Lamar and everything. I'm like, Bro, this is the most
bullshit conversation ever. And for me, I'm just like, am
I the alien here? So I wondered even say, like,
do you feel hip hop is dead? Because we am
the charge? I guess what do y'all take on this discourse?

Speaker 4 (58:58):
So two things first, this is one, it's very cool.

Speaker 7 (59:01):
You don't know why they picked the top forty because
they don't have a top forty chart, so there's a
top one hundred chart on that's the chart. You want
to know what they did in top forty because forty
three is the first rap track three tracks. They had
to pick an arbitrary number to create a narrative.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
But they always the top forty. But even what you're saying,
what you're.

Speaker 7 (59:18):
Saying, it's an arbitrary number to create a dumb narrative.
And then just outside of that, it's I saw somebody
say it on Twitter, and I really wish I had
their name, but they were essentially saying that hip hop
isn't dying, it's going back to what it is. And
if you don't understand that, it's because you weren't there
for what it is. Whether you weren't you were a

(59:39):
clock chaser, you were there because hip hop was the thing.
But even even outside of like even like back in
the day, now all that there's always been underground hip hop.
It's just hip hop is going back to its roots.
And you didn't really love the craft.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
You love what was popular, and that's why you don't
understand it. That's why.

Speaker 6 (01:00:02):
I mean, they sound real dumb, because at the end
of the day, you gauging if you're gauging the success
of the entire genre on the top forty, not understanding
that we're going into a global market period, like bro,
who cares what if you got bad bunny k pop
in the same market with country music, hip hop, jazz, blues,

(01:00:24):
all this, everybody getting exposure to everybody having their moment
at the going into the fall season where literally in
the US we're looking at fucking Mariah carry As being
the top you know voice out here for the next
two months. You really mad because we don't have a
hip hop song in the top forty, and you're basing
it off Drake and Nikki, who both they're not in jail.

(01:00:47):
They have been dropping records, they have been doing.

Speaker 5 (01:00:51):
You inherently they're not hip hop.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
But this is this is and this is also something
that I was like for the and again I sho.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
When and are like, bro, because I just talked about
it with Director x On he had a song called
pop Star.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Literally this was within the past five years of him
calling himself a pop star. Yeah, but but here's this
is this is this is where I think this then
this is why I'm specifically addressing the stands because I feel,
I do like to believe that there's still some Drake
fans out there who are able to look at things
objectively and it's not just one way or the other. Right,

(01:01:30):
all through this beef, when people were saying Drake's done,
Drake's done, Drake's done, the Drake.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
Stands have been saying, Oh, but he ain't done. Look
at it. He's still putting out music.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
He's still number one on the charts, he's still number
one here, he's still never won on Spotify.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
But then if y'all, if y'all are putting.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
So much weight on because there's no song in the
top forty as hip hop is dead and y're trying
to blame Kendrick, But y'all just spent the past two
years telling us that Drake was still number one bro
like that, that that argument doesn't even make sense because
now if you're talking about it, you need to blame
who was the number one in the in that in
that in that genre, And if y'all saying that Drake
was still number one in that genre, then it's not

(01:02:06):
kendricks fault.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
It's really Drake's fault. But again, I don't believe.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
It's nobody's fault because to me, the charts don't determine
if the culture is moving.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
Well, we're bro the World Series.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
To the people, But to the people, the World Series
just happened, and the World Series had to tap back into.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
A hip hop beef. And now I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
I don't care what anybody's fair feels about what side
you are on the beef. The fact that the World
Series took that opportunity to rehash and read for a
hip hop beef means that the culture itself is still
as relevant as possible.

Speaker 6 (01:02:38):
So to piggyback off that to to help you, well,
I mean to help people understand it's better.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
Yesterday I was in Madison, Wisconsin.

Speaker 6 (01:02:46):
These literally the bar we was at the sports bar
played not like us directly after the Dodgers won, and
this was a room full of middle age or older one. Yeah,
we just left Jid concert, so look like they're hyped up.
But that's, like you said, to your point, that's how
connected that beef was. Like a dude was in the

(01:03:08):
in the bar saying, bro, I bet you when the
Blue Jays win, Drake gonna drop with this. That's what
And I'm looking like, Bro, it's over, like the beef
is over.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
You can't.

Speaker 6 (01:03:21):
He was dead ass, Like, no, bro, Bro, promise you
because this would be the perfect opportunity and this would
be the resurgence, and you know, hip hop needs this.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
And it's so funny that we have this.

Speaker 6 (01:03:31):
Conversation because yesterday I thought this nigga was crazy ass,
Like hip hop needs this because Drake and Kendrick they
need like Drake needs his get back, and we are saying, right, bro,
if he does it, it's corny.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
Bro. Think about it this way.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Baseball Like, okay, the sports that really been unanimous with
hip hop has been football and basketball. We have a
lot of dope ass black you know what I'm saying
players in baseball, but it's just never really been associated.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
With with hip hop.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Right, NLB is considered no matter what, baseball is America's game.

Speaker 4 (01:04:05):
That has always been the case. It's been America's game,
America's game. Bro. When it was announced, they immediately started
referencing Drake and Kendrick.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Two people that probably have not touched a bat in baseball,
and since.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
They was kids.

Speaker 5 (01:04:22):
King Drake, he threw out the ball, threw out the
first page of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Okay, Okay, you know what I'm saying that, But I'm
just saying.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
As as far as yeah, you know, I know, I
know that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
But what I'm saying as far as playing like they
like this, why people are calling the people been calling
this round three. They said round one was to be
Round two was caught and this is round three.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
It's like nothing. Yeah that literally only because it's Toronto
in l A. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:04:51):
Yeah, it's the perfect It's the perfect story.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
So to me that that is proof that bro, the culture,
fuck the numbers, the culture is still as relevant as
possible that America's game for whatever reason they wanted to
connect with the youth they want to connect with, whatever
reason that they chose to make that connection, and they
confirmed it by as soon as they won ESPN they
played they I mean not ESPN Nike did they commercial

(01:05:17):
cut off?

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
I Love La.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Played Kencha Lamar's on it like they literally in the
video you show it, it cuts off and then he
played Swuabble up by Kenrick Lamar.

Speaker 5 (01:05:24):
The official poster.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
The official poster is GNX driving saying we they not
like us with the championship trophy on there drinking the back.

Speaker 5 (01:05:36):
The official post from ESPN.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
So it's like, there's no way that y'all can say
hip hop is dead when all these entities are trying
to still connect with him.

Speaker 5 (01:05:49):
It's so crazy that they say that, But they say
that every so often. Every I would say, like every
ten to fifteen years, they say hip hop is dead
for this reason. Last time they said hip hop was
dead was because of all the tune.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:06:01):
Yeah, So it's always going to be that because irrit.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Like as the marketing thing, like even with Jay, Like
I mean with Jay, the saying like it's in the
hip hop and New Death artio and you use it
like you're in that spec Like, bro, what.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
Is its speaking of Jay?

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Another discourse that's been pissing me off versus Yeah, and
we're the only coaching that does this. I realized this
because I was like, you would never hear somebody who
funks with rock and roll be like John Lennon. These
new niggas washed John Lennon, Like, Bro, we so disrespectful
to our legends. You know what I'm saying. I'm like, Bro,
jay Z is jay Z no matter who or what

(01:06:42):
you think, jay Z has said. Jay Z like, there's
a there's artists that I believe that can give jay
Z a good run for his money. But some of
the names that that throwing in there, I'm like, bro,
y'all cannot be.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
I don't want to see it. But here's the thing,
this is how, this is how I don't really care
to see jay Z.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Jasey said that ship during this JAYZ said that shit
during the pandemic four years ago. I don't know why
this conversation is even being rehashed and shout out to
Rob Markman. He was a conversation on Twitter spaces with
Rob Markman and jay Z. You know, won two things
with that jay Z said when they said would you
ever do a verses?

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
I don't really think anybody can see me on the verses.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
One, I don't see anything wrong with somebo jay Z
saying that what happens as an artist, especially in hip hop?
Are you not supposed to feel like you the best?
Are you not supposed to feel like you're the number one?
Are you not supposed to feel like anybody can see you?
So that's okay. I didn't see no issue with him
saying that. But two, bro, if it's a legend. You're
supposed to match him up with legends. Don't be bringing

(01:07:40):
up these random ass niggas. I'm like, but we like
I said, you know what I'm saying. If John Lennon
because Eminem, I don't know where. I don't believe Eminem
will win, but Eminem is a legend, and it is
right to me that he deserves that he deserves to
be able to have that conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
No, I'm open to people here. This is me personally.
I don't think think you think he would win? Do
you think you should have been Remember is not a
big Jayzon fan.

Speaker 5 (01:08:04):
I would say, like, honestly as a fan of both,
when you think about versus overall, the one person that
can give off the same or will be he has
the same amount of states president.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
They said, I agree we'll be able to will be
a good match. Like, listen, quietest cap I believe Drake
would be a good match. I believe Wang would be
a good match. I will believe that would be a
good match. I believe not to be a good match.
I believe dm X would be a good match. Like
there's certain people.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
That I'm like, they deserve to be being that conversation. Sorry,
and I don't get what you said.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
No, I'm talking about song. I'm not talking about the
actual presentation. I'm just saying so, yeah, yeah, you gotta
be there. But I'm saying song for song. If we're
talking song for songs, there's certain people that I do
believe that I'm like, if.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
Matters and it would be good songs, Broy but they
couldn't do Hot Boys songs and Turken White. But but again,
to me, that's not disrespect saying those names. Just all
those people are legends in their right. No, that's fair.

(01:09:20):
You know what I'm saying. But again it's like you said,
you know, I said you, but you don't have to
be a weak ass versus which one. Listen, Listen, I
want to know. I want to know why I'm not
the biggest fan. I'm not a big because I'm not fan.
So here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
I'm not feminem songs don't didn't age well for me
to me, that that them songs ain't hidden.

Speaker 4 (01:09:40):
Is the point?

Speaker 6 (01:09:40):
Okay, this is just me playing devils out. Isn't the
point that jay Z would carry it anyway?

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
So what does it matter who he fight like? Who
That's why I don't want to know. I want a
good match. It's not about who jay Z faces.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
I don't want to see jay Z like I don't
want to see j versus like I don't care about.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
That at all at all.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
I like to hear and I'm a fan of jay Z,
but it's like, Bro, I don't give a funk about
you sitting here, Like I can't.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
Even imagine jay Z that platform giving me mad talking.
This is my time and I'll do it.

Speaker 7 (01:10:12):
I don't give a bro that's interesting because you clearly
care about it for other artists, Why what is it?

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
What is it about? Because of that, because it's like, Bro,
you you are, I would be like you are to
be like that. I need to hear from jay Z
because I mean, I think.

Speaker 7 (01:10:26):
It's different than what you're thinking, because he's saying, literally,
you're this is beneath you.

Speaker 6 (01:10:30):
Yeah, that is not what I'm thinking. That's what I'm thinking.
That's literally what I'm thinking. But it's also the same
thing as I've always been preaching. Jay Z's music is
just different music. It is, like I'm saying, it's not club,
is not getting ready to go out, It's not hype
you up music, but not anybody it is in a sense.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
So that's because you think about versus is you're going
song for song, you know what? You know what I'm saying,
what song verses that we had? What is the most
lyrical verses that we had?

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
That was the focus on this versus now, But they
played all you know what you feel real?

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
That was the most lyrics. It was just because they
made that type of music.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
No so so so in the sense of what King
is saying, I'm saying, what is our like like we
didn't think about it, like the common versus tile lip
quality would be a dope ast verses. Let me let
me laying a common versus tilip quality would be a
dope as verses, as far as lyricism, as far as
like that type of song. But you won't get like
they hit. It won't be like oh I remember when

(01:11:35):
I was in the club. It'll be more so focused
than on the structure of the song, the lyrics of
the song. And and I don't think we ever had
a versus. Liked the concept of versus. Remember that the
concept of verses came out with Swiss and bro battling. Yeah,
so it's always about rocking the party. But yeah, it

(01:11:56):
started with two DJs saying, entertain you niggas.

Speaker 6 (01:11:59):
Online better or by playing this, and then it turned
into only artists and that's what turned into time. I
never thought about it, you know. That's why they don't
talk about soulful battle. They're only talking about cracking.

Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
Like with R and B. They play the R and
B like the bobs. You know what I'm saying. But
that's that's what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
That was like, it's like that really because like they
tried even now, trying to make it seem like.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Even when peeing and being like, it's not about the
it's not about the battle. We're just trying to st
Nigga's a battle. That's why it's called versus.

Speaker 4 (01:12:33):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
You're playing your best to someone's best, and at your age,
whatever you're gonna be, you finish sending that motherfucker like Nigga.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
We was. But also hold on but to a lyricist though,
because like you said, you know what I'm saying, me,
I dabbling both, you know what I'm saying. I was
in the clubs, but then also I really love you
know what I'm saying, like saying some super lyrical stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
Like I would love, you know, a daylight zo versus
you know what I'm saying like they're saying. I know,
I get what they say, but I'm saying, do y'all
feel do y'all see? Is there a way do y'all?
Y'all so it with me? Versus versus made for versus
is made for internet ship That's all you can do.
Don't want wear saves. So if you so, if you slunge,

(01:13:18):
couldn't do it versus like we couldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
So we're exing out Tyler, We're xing out most, We're
xing out common.

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
Even if you were to do like a jay Z
versus Nines. I'm talking, let's let's just hit away.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
From the major people because I understand them even in
that space, because that would to me just because of
the growth of them both and because of what they like,
what they stand for.

Speaker 4 (01:13:40):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
I will respect that versus, but y'all gotta put the
battle songs in, like y'all gonna have to.

Speaker 6 (01:13:49):
Everything else is irrelevant because it don't matter if you
if you show so if the versus is gonna go,
you start off with ether, you start off with all
that some conscious ship, that's gonna be the dumbest versus
ever because you're gonna start off hot and then get
quiet and cold.

Speaker 4 (01:14:07):
But I mean, but even like I.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Said, were Jason now his life, it wouldn't be everything
from his own and he's gonna go in some fourth
form four where he got a little bit more conscious
that what he's saying, that would lose what's all, what's
the go to song for? For like if we're going
off of what like what King is explaining and based
off of the verses in general, there was nothing on
for before that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
Really got the club, got people move instead. That wasn't
that type of exactly, so go you go, and that
I say, I guess in that sense it can.

Speaker 7 (01:14:39):
Versus as a as a concept, you can do one
of them, but versus as a brand because it's especially
now it's built thrown like being like almost like a concert.

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
You would have. Theirs would have to be more of
like like a sit down with it, so like look
at like look at it like there's a.

Speaker 6 (01:15:01):
No, no, I hear what y'all trying to do? It's
not what I'm saying, is this is just I'm going
off of their their mom. They they they never had
a sit down. The closest sit down was Gucci Man
and Jesus. But even that was that the anticipation was
they had to make it relax up there because it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
Was tension and Gucci's ready to take it there.

Speaker 6 (01:15:26):
And that's that's why the only reason why they even
try to make that kind of grown manage. But the
music was still club bangers.

Speaker 4 (01:15:31):
But I love I love Gucci.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
I love Gucci's like interview, what he said, like he's
like Jeezy was he was better than me.

Speaker 4 (01:15:38):
Jeez was the one that had the playlist, like because
I know what you was. He said, if you played next,
I know what you are.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
But it's like so it's like you gotta That's why
it's like that's what I say, Like even for Jesus,
even for that like that, that Versus is an important
one to me when I look at Versus in general,
because it's like y'all knew what y'all was doing and
swearing over that, y'all knew what y'all trying to get
Jesus face smurter.

Speaker 4 (01:16:02):
It was like, I'm not gonna get y'all energy. Well
the goose he gonna give y'all that he was ready
to give y'all.

Speaker 6 (01:16:07):
He was ready, but he also got to do it
because you gotta think at the time, Jesus is bigger
than That's.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:16:12):
So what you said, you what I can think of
that will probably be something, is what King is saying.
There's probably the dmax Snoop door. They were sitting down
in the studio gonna hit.

Speaker 4 (01:16:21):
But also.

Speaker 5 (01:16:24):
And they were breaking it down. Man, I like's how
you you know, you formed your verse on this one,
and I love what you did with the words on
this one, you know what I mean. So they were
breaking down the art a little bit more than that too.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
So I got a question then, So like, so when
I'm thinking about so taking it away from the major stars,
but just like dope ass people and shit like that.
Like all right, so let's say we got like a
try versus the roots. Do y'all think that there's a
world where that can be a versus? Because I feel like,
to me, as a hip hop head, love the tribe,
what you just said I can do, Like I was
watching that that's not hit base.

Speaker 4 (01:16:54):
What you just said.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
What I would want because I think that between versus
is my hits versus your hits. But in the love
of hip hop, I would love or just it couldn't
be called versus, but it is me Like like I like,
if I was the roots and I'm like, Yo, bro
actually wanted to sit down with with tried, and I
want to tell them about the songs that inspired us

(01:17:17):
and we liked and what we did, and like y'all
perform those and y'all do the same back, you know
what I'm saying, Like, really, you could do it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:26):
Everybody. So in my feeling, I feel like most.

Speaker 6 (01:17:30):
Regardless whether it was underground hip hop or you were
you know, mid ground, whatever you want to call it,
if you weren't super commercial, you still had a hit somewhere,
whether they use it in a movie, a TV show,
something like that. I think everybody had something like that.
You could do it and lead out with those and
throw in some of those underground classics and have a

(01:17:51):
decent battle you know of de decent versus. But I
think it's how you market it that's gonna be the problem.
It's just like if we said, you know, a Wu
tang versus uh locks, right, niggas know these people because
they they both have commercial hits or they have something
where it's like, oh I can we can push on that,

(01:18:12):
we can pull on it. But at the same time
you have you make a good point, filler that people
that won't push people away, you know why you make
a good point.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
So in that sense, if we just do Wu Tang
versus the Locks in the platform that it is right now,
the Locks is going to watch Utang because they have
way more hits than Wu Tang. However, if we position
it more like what BACARTI was talking about, then you
get into those duances because Wu Tang got a lot
of cultural things that has not hits that the mand
But like if you was tapped in the hip hop

(01:18:42):
and you listen to Wu Tang, you definitely because like
Locks have way more hits.

Speaker 4 (01:18:46):
Than But I argue that it's not your hit. I'm
talking about mainstreaming. I'm talking about people I remembers they have.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
They have they has two songs that is cultural, that
is that is out of the ether juggernaut.

Speaker 4 (01:19:04):
You know what I'm saying. That is that is cream
and then that is oh no, see you tripping. It
is a lot more that that that in that in.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
That versus and talking about in that versus, in that
versus the platform like how when verse like if in versus,
if we gonna make it plays, that's gonna the arena's
gonna rough. If cream plays, the arena is going to rough.

Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
You knowing like that now.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
If you get into ODB solos, that's why, that's why,
that's that's that's what I'm saying. That's why ODB was
such a such a star in Wu Tang because he
broke the mold of Wu Tang. He was doing the
stuff that we were seeing the locks and Jada kiss
and everything was doing. But again it's still he had
a good five to six where Wou Tang has I mean,

(01:19:49):
where the locks has enough of those to fit a
full twenty?

Speaker 4 (01:19:53):
How propular do you think the locks are in Japan?

Speaker 6 (01:19:58):
Weake, We'll take no, we'll take it's clearlym in Japan.
But who popular do you think Wu Tang? I mean
the locksays in China?

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
No clear them.

Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
So what I'm saying, I'm not disagreeing.

Speaker 6 (01:20:11):
And we did a versus member versus is global, But
that's doing and that that that chat or that ticket
sale them, Nigga's gonna be there for Wu Tank.

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
I'm gonna be real with you.

Speaker 6 (01:20:21):
What I'm saying is because outside like your your argument,
I feel is coming from cultural, from black culture, I'm
saying global and that's what's argument.

Speaker 4 (01:20:32):
So I'm not disposing.

Speaker 6 (01:20:33):
But what I'm saying is when we that's that's the
main My main point at the beginning of all this
was the problem is people keep thinking secular instead of like, Yo,
this is a global market, bro.

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
Everybody is pitching.

Speaker 6 (01:20:48):
Everybody can pitch in now to root for these artists,
especially when you put it on YouTube, Twitch and all
that ship. So we can no longer say the culture
that don't mean ship because it's niggas in Japan out
here doing ship that they saw niggas in Memphis and.

Speaker 4 (01:21:02):
I mean and also I want to say this to
I love those videos something like that Memphis ju when
they actually come here to collapse.

Speaker 6 (01:21:19):
And that's what I'm saying, We as a whole, our
culture has to get away from talking like it's only
black because but.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Again, the only reason why I said based off of
what you're saying, and we're talking hits as as big
as that, even even with their fan base then and
being as global as they was, that doesn't turn them
those those B side songs into hits.

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
Those are still considered b side songs. I mean, who
the charts is considers a hit.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
But we're supposed to be like you just the one
that's been Literally we've been in this hut because charts.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
Shouldn't be No, it's not. So I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
So that's why I'm saying I wanted to expand for
if we expand versus to not just focusing on what's
considered a hit, then I agree with you. But either
traditional sense of versus what you guys just told me
is the hits is the what people oh that got
to me moving.

Speaker 6 (01:22:11):
But no of the hit you gotta remember too, hits
is relative because we're not talking about like everybody didn't
make the charts.

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
That's you. She didn't make the chart.

Speaker 6 (01:22:20):
You know what I'm saying, like everybody don't make the
club play because if your music ain't that ship.

Speaker 4 (01:22:24):
But everybody knows the bangers. Everybody knows that. So what
I saw, I'm saying, like, what the what was the
one of the prehistoric theme song? Had it? I know
you talking about with everybody in there everybody.

Speaker 6 (01:22:38):
You know how many people have brought that song up
to me in the last ten years where they like,
that's one of my favorite.

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
You know what I'm saying. But in my mind that
was like one of the most overlooked career was like party.

Speaker 6 (01:22:54):
I thought it was one of those like, bro, they
made a video for this everything and I'm like, that's
fucked up that that that's on flop.

Speaker 4 (01:23:00):
But look, I long it took twenty years for me
to be like or it didn't people call it? Yeah, people, we.

Speaker 6 (01:23:06):
Can't say because the numbers and all that shit at
the time don't hit all that that it is, like,
it wasn't a hit.

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
It could be a hit, Bro, it could be a
jop jam and that's a hit. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:23:16):
So that means how we gotta look at it like
a nigga can really cut wu tak it come out
bro with twenty fucking hits depending on the avenue.

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
In which they were used. But again that goes back
to what you guys said. It's really based on the
market because we do it based off of how versus
is just set up. Now the locks is going to win.
That was my main point.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
If we base it off of how versus is right
now and we just say, wo tang in the locks,
the locks is going to clear, but getting based off
of marketing if we go by you in your space
of reality of like the fan base of who Tang people,
because if I grew up around in that whole bunch
of niggas who want who love who Tang, we all
believe it.

Speaker 7 (01:23:54):
Yeah, that's where I guess I was getting confused when
you guys talk about who's gonna win not because it's
first don't well and maybe I just never see it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:02):
They don't come out with an a this is who,
this is who pretty much university but no living university
cleared right now?

Speaker 7 (01:24:11):
People, that's versus discourse like that, do you care about
the discourse after the fact that if you're talking about it?
Why if I'm if I'm persons putting on the verses,
why do I care about the discourse.

Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
Versus care because they want people to see you talking
about it. But as the culture, which what makes it evident?

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
I think this is where you get the conversation that yeah,
people care because every podcast since then has to have
a moment of talking about the no living versus cash
money and everybody has said who won, and everybody has
had a moment of say, but what you're saying as
far as the business wise, they just want people to
talk about it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
And there's I mean, it's just like battle rap.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
There's never going to be a clear winner. No, but
that's why Smacked the U r L TV don't have
an official winner.

Speaker 4 (01:24:53):
But you know who won based off of the chat.
It's a fan yeah, which is the moment.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
And I mean, and my thing is like I think
it's like what I try to like even in the
space of like when it comes to versus, in the
space the true simplicity and bottom line versus is like
what what tiling and sweat? You know, Switzerland trying to
do is give niggas back spins, give niggas.

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
And what you're doing, what you're doing secessity. My thing
is like.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
This like oh who won and whatever, But it's like, nigga,
we give you an opportunity to bring back song that
you ain't played for everything.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
Yeah, even the space of like the locks.

Speaker 3 (01:25:36):
Thing is like yes, I personally because we are I agree,
Wuchang is their international their own space already. Like I'm
not saying lots they've been in Japan, they're probably having
it on time.

Speaker 4 (01:25:48):
They're more bigger than They're definitely more bigger than Tang's whole.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Persona kind of touches on Japan and Chinese saying, so
they've been know about them niggas way you're there, And I.

Speaker 6 (01:26:00):
Think my thing is because like I just kind of
saw this happen yesterday at the concert. Young Nudy was
one of the openers, right, I know Young Nudy because
he had you know what I'm saying that Peaches and
Neck plays and it was a.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
TikTok song or whatever, right, but the people didn't know.

Speaker 6 (01:26:19):
You know what I'm saying, And it was wild because
actually happened with Jedd two, like the fact that they
we were in this era of TikTok music and like
all of that stuff is so like it makes an artist,
it makes a song. These dudes that are like they
use that today advantage and the crowd don't even know
who the fuck they were until they put the song on,
and you saw like shock in motherfucker's faces, Like all

(01:26:42):
night they just been bouncing as soon as they heard
Peach's Egg.

Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
But they're like, yeah, he even said it like if
you didn't know he like you didn't know me. Now
you know you want to know what's funny about that?
And this is kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
As a and this is going, this is this is
probably gonna be probably the one that I feel definitely
like a purist and stuff like that. The reason why
I don't like the TikTok era right now, where I
love that they're making so many stars. People generally only
know the first sixty seconds of a song. I've seen
it literally in concert. I've seen it literally. If people

(01:27:18):
know the TikTok sound, get to that second verse, they
don't know shit. And I'm just like, bro, what happened
to the game?

Speaker 7 (01:27:24):
I love because I'm no, no, no no, I mean
it started.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
Somewhere, it started going somewhere, It started somewhere. But it's
just like, I'm just like, damn, bro, that's so unfortunate.
And you know, it just funny because, like I said,
that used to be a joke in the hip hop
community because DJ used to do that in mixed shows.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
They'll play the first verse the hook and then mixed
another and they're like, bro, why you keep don't leave
it out? The second song?

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
We want to hear the whole song, and it just
that became the thing where it's like, it's like that's
what like low key artists like Big X the Plug
figured it out. Big X the Plug would give you
a hook, a verse and a hook and then head
out next song. And it's because that it's just like, bro,
you gotta be so boomed, like real quick. And it's

(01:28:09):
just like for me as a lover of music, a
lover of it, I'm just like, damn, bro, like I'm
because you know what, I'm the person I ain't never
been one of them people that was like a six
minute song, Oh my god, Like I'm like.

Speaker 4 (01:28:22):
Bro, I want to see what this about to talk
about for six minutes? Bro, about four minutes, I feel numb.
I'm like, it depends on what the talking is. If
it's a six minute club banger, I probably don't need
to hear SI. It was like if it's bro. When
I when I was so heavy on Joe Button, I
used to love Joe.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Butden's longer song because I know that it's gonna be
a story, it's gonna be intricate, it's gonna be him
going in depth. Like to me, I used to love
the I love the art. I love the art of
making songs so much that I want to see somebody
like I love depending on the artist. When Kanye gave
BRO perfect example, slow Jams on the radio.

Speaker 4 (01:28:54):
On the on the album is significantly better the album slow.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
The song slow jazz album, get in there and on
it it's a little bit longer, it's more creative, Like
I like the album version of six so better than
the radio version.

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
Bro.

Speaker 6 (01:29:08):
Listen, when I was working at the bar, I actually
had a dude who do music, and he broke it
down to him. He said, man, listen, anybody needs to
ask a rap because people don't want to pay attention
to a full song. And he was like, if you
give me sixteen bars, He's like, I'll give you a hook.
I'll write you a hook. He said, you throw that
on the front. Back you got a song. And I

(01:29:30):
was tripping because at this time I'm not into music.

Speaker 4 (01:29:33):
I didn't like.

Speaker 6 (01:29:33):
I probably did production a couple of times, but I
had never legitimately wrote lyrics with a purpose for people
to hear them, other than like some homies or something
like that. Bro, that nigga really changed my life because
I started to dig into it and it is very
simple because the most attention you gonna get bro is
off that that formula.

Speaker 4 (01:29:55):
And I hate it, but that's really what it is like.
It is like like Jingle era. It's it's like right
heart to heart.

Speaker 3 (01:30:04):
But it's us as a people though, where it's like
we just want simpler and simpler and simpler ship.

Speaker 4 (01:30:09):
But you know why.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
About movies trying to say, like now, like you have
to accept that even understanding that as much as we
love movies, there are people in the world who.

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
Are saying, like Nigga's short content is really what's now.

Speaker 6 (01:30:25):
I believe it comes by we were overdone, like we
had so much and from the from movie wise to
the short content, people have taken c G I they
taking Yeah, they've taken all this ship to a whole
other level. And we're so desensitized to it that now
we want somebody just to come with basic with a story.

Speaker 4 (01:30:48):
Looks we will, we'll look at it, we'll fuck with it.

Speaker 5 (01:30:52):
It's just it's over involved over time, right, because whenever
hip hop first started, you have one radio station that
would give you hip hop. So no matter how long
the song gets, it's getting played all the way through
because you got the one one chance to make it
make you know, so as you got more and more
radio stations playing more and more hip hop songs, don't
get as much spin. I'm gonna give you two and

(01:31:14):
a half minutes of this because I got another song
I need to play the stay ahead of this station,
you know what I mean? And you know it's crazy
if be so easy to go in there and give
you three hunks free and three sixteens. Now you're not
getting three sixteens.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
You might get two twelves or they cut your beat
off right and you don't ever want the song.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Yeah, And you know what's crazy because I literally coming
here to the studio today, I just saw the article
that hit my even I didn't read it yet, but
the subject they say, they said shorts are paying out
more than long form content.

Speaker 4 (01:31:41):
Is long form content dead? And I'm just like, Bro,
that was something.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
Dying because it's just like I said, in general, it
is like we simply want the most simplistic, like.

Speaker 4 (01:31:51):
Like you, I realized because I don't, but I don't
want short simple shit. We live in like where I say,
like Bro, we wish the glock. This nature of human.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
Society is the fact that we just we should not
have all of this infant We shouldn't much.

Speaker 7 (01:32:06):
I'm gona be honest, I don't think it's that. It's
it's it's it's a very crazy cycle. What it is
is there everybody just sort of wants the thing, like
the thing that everybody like, everybody wants to fit fit in. Right,
So then you you tell them, Okay, this is what
everybody's liking. So before it was you know, it's always

(01:32:26):
the quickest thing to make you the quickest buck. So
it's this everybody everybody likes this thing that is you know,
only one verse, one hook.

Speaker 4 (01:32:34):
Everybody only likes that.

Speaker 7 (01:32:35):
So now I don't tell enough people that I don't
told you even I just got to tell the right
people that I don't go to tell a lot of people.
I need to tell somebody who everybody gonna believe in.
And now, oh, everybody liked that. So that's where the
money is. So now the people who want we just
saw it with designer.

Speaker 4 (01:32:49):
Look just put up album a bitch Now.

Speaker 9 (01:33:04):
Philosophy, philosophy, and he always he said that specifically, I
can always wrap, but this is just and.

Speaker 4 (01:33:15):
That's my that's my point.

Speaker 7 (01:33:16):
Exactly what it is is that everybody sees the money
in it and they go, well, what's the quickest route
to the money?

Speaker 4 (01:33:22):
Oh, they telling me that this is what everybody likes,
so this is what I'm gonna make.

Speaker 7 (01:33:26):
So now the niggas who watching it again, clearly this
must be with everybody like, because it's all that's being made. Boom,
now the cycle and started all over again. And I
know I got a ten fold had on the body, but.

Speaker 4 (01:33:35):
It's realistically like it. It's a vicious.

Speaker 7 (01:33:38):
Cycle of niggas is telling people what to like, so
they only making what they think niggas like. And again
that's all you're seeing is what niggas.

Speaker 3 (01:33:45):
But not even do it because like the niggas like
like most of these niggas signed the labels, like we're
talking about this music and general that they signed the
labels who are promoting that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
You know, you want to get another ring of the circle.

Speaker 6 (01:33:56):
Yes, it's like it's no different than us diversifying. They're
probably still making long form, but they're still gonna make
artists match.

Speaker 4 (01:34:07):
That might be a new thing. Now now you've give
it somebody an album, you give your label the album
We need track two, four and five.

Speaker 6 (01:34:15):
But that's always there's always been because think about it,
even we talk, you go back and look at a
lot of people's records.

Speaker 4 (01:34:21):
They always said it we front load our club.

Speaker 6 (01:34:24):
Ship for the radio. Shit that we know got good reception.
That ship in the middle is with how a nigga Really?
So here's so here's why I think it's changing.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
And I agree with you because there used to be
artists that you're like, all right, you know for a
fact that there's gonna be three songs that are out
of the mold.

Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
It's gonna be club songs, radio songs. It's gonna be
a song, it's gonna be a club song, it's gonna
be a song with an army singer.

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
There's gonna be another song that's kind of universal. But
the bulk of the album, you're gonna get the meat
and potatoes and everything. But now we're getting more, which
comes back to what we originally talked about, is that
the art of hip hop it was not based on
the charts, but the charts, like what you said, it's
only playing what they said.

Speaker 4 (01:35:02):
This is what we say. People are like, we went
this short.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
People started making that and then when people this year,
and I think that, I think this goes why I'm
so passionate about hip Hop's not that in a very
very this year, in a very very long time, hip hop.

Speaker 4 (01:35:18):
Has been so fucking dope.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
Like I said, like I said, all those albums that
we talked about clips Tyler the Creator, Chance the rapper,
you know what I'm saying, mob Deep, you know what
I'm saying, We got so much dope hip hop albums
and it was not focused on that, just that quick
sound that he would sound right. And like I said,
to what this said, designer probably seen that, like, oh wait,
niggas want to rap.

Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
Now niggas is really liking that. Let me go back
to that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
Now people are putting more thought into their album. I
was hip hop and that's not the charts, and that's
why we're not on the chart.

Speaker 6 (01:35:49):
But that does not mean But that goes along with
what Riccardi said, we all shouldn't be talking to each other.
The reality of internet and social media. Like back in
the day before social media, before all of this became
so widespread, like minded individuals created, like created these communications,
right or people who really had a like I talked

(01:36:11):
to a radio person radio person, tell me the truth.
I asked them straight up, why do y'all play the
same shit every day? He said, because these are the people,
the people who participate in voting for it are the
people that we listen to. So I'm not going online
to vote for this ship on you know whatever radio station,
or I'm not calling in high schoolers are middle schoolers
are That is the reason why the charts don't matter,

(01:36:31):
because the charts are. And what he also capt real
was they don't even do it on an everyday basis,
So like because me, you and us don't call in
and partic acts for a lock song or the New
Kindred song or whoever song, it just never changes.

Speaker 4 (01:36:49):
It never gets put up there, but we don't. We
also never complained that they wasn't on the charts, that's right.
Focus with that whatever, we you never complained about the
big party's point.

Speaker 7 (01:37:01):
I think then that is also where social media really
probably took that because before when you think about the nineties,
two thousands, early thousands and all that, because we weren't
a social media heavy as we are now, there were
every region had a culture, whereas you know, black culture
now is like just black culture whereas black culture in

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the nineties and early thousands, it was black New York culture,
Black East Coast cultures.

Speaker 4 (01:37:30):
You wanted to go that black Southern culture it was,
and a lot of it, like it's still there.

Speaker 7 (01:37:35):
But because everything's on the internet, everybody's putting stuff I can,
I can.

Speaker 4 (01:37:39):
I can hear a nigga from.

Speaker 7 (01:37:40):
New York talk them there in real time, so you
were immediately trying to pick up his mannerisms. Where it's
like ten, fifteen, twenty years ago, you might have you
might have known somebody from Chicago beause you know, it's
easy to get down there.

Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
So it's like every region had its own like dialect almost.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
But to that point too, also because I said, I've
had these conversations with people, but the conversation was different.

Speaker 4 (01:38:00):
I think that that to me, that's the big issue,
right because I remember I remember talking to.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
A New York nigga and he telling me, Bro, this
nigga jay Z, but he wanted to call this niggas
ever And I'm like, Bro, twist the by that nigga twisted?

Speaker 4 (01:38:11):
And you know what I'm saying. We talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
Albums, We're talking about themes, We're talking about lyrics not
once in that conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:38:17):
They were like, but nof twisted sold this and Jayson
so that it was just focused on that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
When Niggas was arguing Outcast is the greatest hip hop
group ever, Niggas like, now both Thugs and Army is
because X what I mean it was never numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
But it really never but it was real. It was
I mean, that's what I'm saying that. That's when I
say about we get too much information. We didn't talk about.

Speaker 4 (01:38:39):
Charts, as liked talking about what you liked. Now you're
seeing billboard ass and goes back to that's all saying.

Speaker 7 (01:38:50):
It goes back to the regent thing because you not
you're not caring when you're looking at it, and then
crust the entire country. You're like, Okay, how do I
how do I figure out a way to saying that
they clearly is killing it in every one of these things.
Whereas before when you weren't talking to somebody, you're seeing
this Internet or the national view, You're thinking, like everybody
on my block or everybody in the schools that I'm

(01:39:11):
around the place that I go to in this area,
which is in your region, were all talking about this thing,
this is. This is all I got to hype up.
This is And you're coming from a thing, You're coming
from a separate region. I understand you're not gonna have
the same viewpoint. It like it because the Internet had
just turned black culture to black culture. They assume that
every black person and no matter where they are, like

(01:39:33):
a nigga who grew up here didn't have the same
experience the nigga grew up in La And so the
way that we interact with the art that is music
is going to be different. And before we realize that
because we knew that that. Okay, I can tell from
the way you talk that your region is different.

Speaker 4 (01:39:49):
Nowadays they like nigga. I haven't seen a nigga saying
all that shit online, So clearly we all say it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
And thing like I said, when the company is when
you just immediate in general, like when you think about
like the source delix of magazine you got about twenty
thirty artists they that you and out that whole magazine
that you're about to learn.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
About before the Internet, that's all you It might be
a small slippet, it might be a article.

Speaker 4 (01:40:16):
Was a source for my article? Was this tall this.
You know what I'm saying. Somebody saw was like, oh,
I know she's hearing it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
Now you can just search rap artists, right, and you're
gonna get like a plethora of like from all over
the world.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
But so like even when you think about like the
commune communication you had as a kid and was like, bro,
I fuck with jay Z whatever, but this nigga reading
the same bookcause.

Speaker 4 (01:40:41):
You'll be like, I actually like Snoop and all that,
like they highlight you said, like, but all your information
you got but again to that point. But to that point,
it still was in numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
It was okay, who got he got hip hop quotable,
he got four mics to the source, right, It was
still based off of the content, based off of that.
To me, it's the numbers that's pissing me off. Or
the charge is like, when did the chart position become
the debating point? That was we used to we used
to debate the lyrics, we used to debate the metaphors,

(01:41:13):
and similar.

Speaker 4 (01:41:19):
Started it. But and I hate that. I think might
have been bad boy. It might have been bad boy.

Speaker 7 (01:41:28):
It might have been bad Boy, because when you start
thinking about you start hearing rappers start referencing I got
X Y and Z.

Speaker 4 (01:41:33):
I feel like that that started with bad.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
Might have been bad jay Z Definitely, he definitely jumped
in and competed, you know what I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:41:42):
Saying, jay Z. Definitely jay Z.

Speaker 2 (01:41:45):
I give jay Z the credit for the elitism of
like in general, he was like, oh Ship, you know
what I'm saying. Hip hop used to be raw and
rugged used to be in that. You could be in
there with a fucking pit bull dog chain and you
still rugged. You know I'm saying, That's why d vesic belove.
Jay Z was the one that was like, niggas got gold,
niggas we got platinum, Yeah, niggas drinking y'all, niggas drinking regularly.

Speaker 4 (01:42:04):
Good nigga, we got chrystal.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
Like, jay Z made an elitism in there for sure,
But bad Boy was always definitely very bragget about being
number one. D Remix is ideal, Dinny's remix idea, and
everything was more so like we can top the charts
by giving them something familiar but also making it hip hop.

Speaker 4 (01:42:22):
That was that was Diddy ship. So what you're saying
is low key jay Z ruined hip hop. Jay Z
made it harder.

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
I ain't gonna say, but jay zat.

Speaker 6 (01:42:36):
I was loving to hear niggas talk about Jada And
as they started talking about jay Z, all the ooze coming.

Speaker 4 (01:42:41):
No, no his name. I've always been what he was,
always been very honest.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
About you know what I'm saying, Like I said, hold still,
he is still my goal. But there was a lot
of ship that he tried to push that was bullshit.
When he was like the button up that he had
niggas in there looking like they coming fresh off costs
in the job.

Speaker 4 (01:42:57):
That was some bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
Happened us in the club in the motherfucker sweater vest
and ship like that multitude was really some bullshit.

Speaker 4 (01:43:03):
And I said, I dropped the kool aid. And when
I look back, and I'm like, bro, there was a
lot of songs got fu with, right, So like I
called jay Z out on his bullshit. You know what
I'm saying. But I still recognize him as my goal.
You know what I'm saying, man, You know I just
like that. This makes you warrant my heart.

Speaker 6 (01:43:16):
You've been dealing with more When jay Z stands than
actual it's so different than the Drake stand.

Speaker 4 (01:43:23):
There's theirs stands will never saw stand will become more
than to me.

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
Anybody who thinks Drake Drake is like a hip hop
artist is a stand like Bro, he's a pop artist.

Speaker 4 (01:43:33):
He's a multi talented musician. You know what different and
the funniest thing is And this is why it's so
crazy to me. I'm like, when when Drake leans into
be this pop star entertaining whatever, I like him the most.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
When he did the video with Chris Brown and everything
and they had that little segment, Bro, I thought that
was the funniest shit ever.

Speaker 4 (01:43:54):
I was like, Bro, this is I like, I like
what he leans to that, but then we can't gettinue
and I know that natural you should like him because
he can, you know, be goofy Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
When he hosted Saturday Y Live, Bro, I literally hit
the group chat and I was like, Bro, this nigga
Drake about to get into his own back like this.

Speaker 4 (01:44:14):
I was like, Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
I was like, Drake is probably one of the only
artists right at that time, I was like, he probably
one of the only artists that I know that he
can have a legit entertainment, like he could do movies,
like he.

Speaker 4 (01:44:24):
About to go that right, But he was so far
from it. And then when he didn't follow up, and
I was like, what the this nigga doing?

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
Bro? Like bro what he said?

Speaker 3 (01:44:34):
Like, Bro, I just really wanted this nigga to be
You're a woman rapped like this dude, like it's not
about it, And I think people thought a little way.

Speaker 4 (01:44:42):
I said, like, don't just wrap about the women.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
But it's like, bro, you already have a persona that's
pop commercial is perfect, Like we.

Speaker 4 (01:44:51):
Don't need you being no nigga in black talking about
you want to rob that. We don't need that like
you are. You are the commercial success of cash money
for whatever height he fight. He fighting a hard fight
against that the world and gonna be like, bro, you ain't.
Here's why people were.

Speaker 7 (01:45:12):
I remember I remember hold on because I'm saying I
remember exactly when Drake first came out because it was
like all the niggas at school, I fucked your life
like some of his tracks and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:45:23):
So I was fucking with it. And I remember this
nigga went to school. His name was Blair, and.

Speaker 7 (01:45:29):
Yeah Blair, but I remember we was talking about it
in graphic design and it was me got Richard and stuff,
and we were Drake should hit.

Speaker 4 (01:45:40):
He was like, man, that's for the bitches he was.

Speaker 7 (01:45:42):
I listened, I listened to real niggas ship, and I'm like, I,
Drake saw enough niggas saying stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:45:49):
So I agree with you on that. But what I'm
saying is, and.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
I felt like there was more people that was more
accepted of. You don't because where the cod section that
I had with people? No, that's saying so let me
let me let me get my point out of regard
because I've had a lot of conversations with people, especially
you know what I'm saying in general, people has always
viewed Drake as another extension, kind of like a childish

(01:46:14):
game being a Donald Glover, right, and so when he
went through it too though I know he did, but
again he Donald Glover is still walking it and now
people just look at Donnal Glover as who he is. Right.

Speaker 4 (01:46:23):
I feel like he was tired, but he was tired
everything because I feel like, no, no, no, I did, like.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
Exactly, that's the trajectory that me and a lot of
people thought that Drake was. He was like, bro Jake
has already accomplished all he can with hip hop. There's
no more than he needs to do and that Saturday
Life one. Literally bro I had multiple conversations with when
he hosted at In Their Lives. Everybody that I talked
to all sentiments thought like, oh, he about to get
into his Donald Glover.

Speaker 4 (01:46:53):
Shiit he about to start doing movies, shows and ship
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
And yes, people, he's gonna He's gonna have a period
of people gonna be like, oh, you know what I'm saying,
you fake, But people like eventually he's gonna come out
at the end if people just gonna look at him
as the entertainer that he is, that's what we thought
he was going, you.

Speaker 6 (01:47:07):
Know, honestly to look at it. I'm gonna be fair,
and it's not being a Drake hater. I think Drake
can be funny at times, but you have to want
to be funny, right like Marlon Wayne's or or Kevin Hart.
They want to be funny in the room. And I
don't think Drake always wants to know.

Speaker 4 (01:47:26):
He don't.

Speaker 6 (01:47:27):
And I don't think he can into any other type
of acting because that's not his birth, not.

Speaker 4 (01:47:34):
Be a mob. The rapping, but no, no, that's the thing.
The rapping is the easiest.

Speaker 6 (01:47:38):
Thing to go to so I mean, and the mob
figure mentality comes with the rapping, you know what I mean.
So that's why I only think he's staying where he is.
But I also feel like that's what contributes to his downfall,
is that you're so one dimensional and so predictable that
I yesterday when they were talking about this, right, they

(01:48:00):
felt it like Nigga, I wouldn't be surprised. I woke
up this morning expected because I'm like, Bro, that's just
the type of behavior that he has, where if you
were a cooler mind, Bro, Drake would be still toped.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
So so so I'm not disagree with you because I
agree with you one hundred percent. What I'm saying is
we thought the turn of the We thought he was
turning the leaf at that point, and he didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:48:23):
He just went with like you said, I feel like
I thought that he never gave us a hekling that.
That's what I mean. That's what I think.

Speaker 3 (01:48:30):
I think that's when people don't realize it is like
I feel like, like I said, when we talk about
Drake being a machine, same as I say about Jay,
Like I like Jay.

Speaker 4 (01:48:36):
I like Drake, but they are both to me.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
Both examples of the machine behind you, and you have
to work with niggas like a lot of NIGGASO hated
jay Is because the labels like you.

Speaker 4 (01:48:47):
Gotta work with j Bro. That's the documentary I've been
trying to find. Bro. They literally explain this.

Speaker 6 (01:48:52):
The whole concept of the Drake and jay Z machine
was that they were They were okay with whatever it
needed to happen on the lake side. So if you saying, look,
we need you to wrap this when you've seen this,
we need to perform here, they okay with all that shit.
But their trajectory was on their own accord. They wanted
to be business minded. So whatever it took, I'm gonna
get there, but I'll do this with the understanding that

(01:49:15):
when I'm done, I got parts. And that's what happened.
So I think that's the same thing with Drake with
his you know obo and all that. I would do
whatever y'all need me to do, but my endgame, isybody
want to.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
Niggas actually like putting niggas like, i'maj right, you don't
want to.

Speaker 4 (01:49:30):
Be an actor? You don't know? I want to know.

Speaker 6 (01:49:34):
And that's why I think we noticed all his composiveness,
the gambling the wool, this the wool that all that
shit goes with that mindset of I'm the boss, bro,
I'm the king, so I do it the funk I want.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:49:44):
And that's why I think his downfall and rap is
that because you can't focus your true talents, my nigga,
like you are an actor slash entertainer. Just make a
fucking banger. Just make a banger. You don't got to
be about nobody. It ain't gotta be about a woman.

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
It could just be he wants to be this mob
top number one on the top, nobody bigger than me.

Speaker 3 (01:50:04):
But it's like, but you've been raised and I just
saying behind on the machine Like I'm not saying that.
I'm not saying that jay Z wasn't big in every
collab or whatever he did, but a lot of that
ship was aligned by the label that we need to
do this, do this ship together. You know, I'm saying,
we think from our outside, like to put it in
the ultimate fucking niggas and book like no and hers
who setting this up on the song like same as Drake.

(01:50:27):
So it was like if if even the younger urs
of art, like all these things who are hood niggas
and like nigga watching this nigga on fucking you know
what I'm saying. Now, he's gonna be he finna do
my hook like he finish sing, but like he like.

Speaker 2 (01:50:39):
He gotta get the first verse, like he gotta y'all
take y'all cutting my verse to put Drake up?

Speaker 4 (01:50:45):
Who the dog right?

Speaker 2 (01:50:48):
Many times because the label was like but you are
made like the machine made you that where it's like, Bro,
I don't got to do monk.

Speaker 4 (01:50:54):
They gonna tell me I'm a song anyway, like you
what I'm saying, like I like your ship. It's like
your shit, and I guarantee you's gonna be a remix,
Like it's gonna be a remix with a nigga hotter
than both of them.

Speaker 3 (01:51:06):
So I mean, so like I get when people like
like that would like it's not about us when you
hear about the actual industry.

Speaker 4 (01:51:11):
People people like secretly now like oh I hate drinking.

Speaker 3 (01:51:14):
I understand the work, Like, bro, you probably did have
to do a lot of shit where you're like, well,
I don't really need drinking the song.

Speaker 6 (01:51:21):
Come, this ain't no different than what if easy ease
deal with the win the way it was supposed to easy,
even be jay Z, because you would have had your writer,
you would have had your muscle, you would have had
your homeboy in your group that you can utilize. Jay
Z had Memphis Bleak as his homeboy, he had a
Freeway as his writer, and you had your You had

(01:51:45):
so many other guys that could be your muscle. Yea,
and look at look where they are now compared to you.
That's what y'all need to be looking at. Jay Z
is the nigga right now with a head full of hair,
healthy as a horse, beautiful wife, on touring business.

Speaker 4 (01:52:01):
Fuck the music. He could give a fucking where's everybody else?

Speaker 6 (01:52:05):
Sat niggas is trying to make so they can go
perform to get some money because he that's the thing
the draw is.

Speaker 4 (01:52:12):
Hey, Bro, I took from y'all. I appreciated y'all, But
when Bean say, man, I feel like I was deserving more. Yeah,
But when Memphis tried to tell you when When when Dame.

Speaker 6 (01:52:22):
Tried to tell when Cameron got to the label and
told you niggas to y'all face, bro, your man's fucking
y'all y'all talked, I remember back in them days because
I was a Cameron.

Speaker 4 (01:52:31):
Fan like that.

Speaker 6 (01:52:31):
I like that because I like niggas with business sense.
That nigga went in there and read the contracts and
told these niggas the numbers. This niggas is easy e
y'all and y'all so fucking stupid because he gave you
a couple million.

Speaker 4 (01:52:42):
What you're gonna do when you.

Speaker 6 (01:52:43):
Sick, nigga, What you're gonna do when you oh, what
you're gonna do when you gotta go do there jail
time and get out? And now you're looking crazy. And
that's the reality of why I don't fuck with jay Z,
not because all the music ain't dope. The music could
be dope, bro, but it ain't yours.

Speaker 4 (01:52:59):
With you on that.

Speaker 6 (01:53:00):
No, it's just saying, if we all know you were
able to take songs from niggas that you that was
just on the label from from both sides, Rockefeller and
Depth Jam.

Speaker 4 (01:53:09):
I really liked that, bro. Give me that that's bogus
or not even that's not even jay Z doing it
like I said, it's it's delightful. You say, is you
bring your song to the end like I think this
song whatever, Like Jay Z looked better on this. That's
that's that. But that's not happening.

Speaker 2 (01:53:23):
That didn't happen with Ja No no, no no no
as A as A Rockefeller history, and I'll let you know.
What happens is that Baseline Studios. There was three producers
that was always at Baseline Studios. It was Kanye, it
was just blazed.

Speaker 4 (01:53:36):
And then it was it was well not.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
No Google, y'all, y'all go and Google right and A
Baseline Studios. What ends up happening is that niggas was
constantly working. Jay would come into that studio and say
I'm on that record and just drop his verse. At
that point, jay Z was so big that it was
like listen here, you can either put this song out
with Jay or the song this is gonna come out right.

(01:54:01):
So so it's not him. He never took a song
from anybody. It's just either you, I'm on this song card.
So that But but again, the A and R has
never really brought the now producers brought songs to whole.
Like I said, we saw that in Black and the
Uh and Fade to Black, where Pharrell will have a

(01:54:21):
song that this is the concept of the song and
Jayson would put the verse to that, or Kanye will
bring you concept of the song that's not that is not.
There was never an an ran because the only A
and R that had access to Hole throughout his whole
career has been Lenny S.

Speaker 4 (01:54:36):
And Lenny S is not person on a creative standpoint.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
He's more a person of a person that brings the
creative around, not to song wise, but he will bring
people around j that helps fuel them. So, like we said,
when people say young Christian, young Christs even came out
and said, he said, I never wrote for Hole. However,
there was a moment. There was times where Hole would
ask me about my style, asked me about the things
that I do, and then me and him will kind
of go over things like that. So, like I said,

(01:55:00):
Hope have never had anybody wrote for him. Hope has
not had anybody ever give him a song. He has
producers present, present ideas, then then the hooks. But again,
but it's not that's lyrics. Nobody lyrics. You know what's crazy.
I hear I heard all that.

Speaker 6 (01:55:16):
But in reality, if he never if if the way
that they describe it that I've heard it, there's no
way he would even know it was given to him
because what you just said. If the producer saying, Yo,
I got your song I really want you for and
it's already written, you just got to recite it. What

(01:55:38):
happened though, I'm telling you, bro, with song, I'm telling
that this is this is this has already been known
in New York spaces.

Speaker 4 (01:55:48):
But this is how Bro, when I when I find is.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
Definitely because because I multiple producers that dont work with,
whole multiple artists.

Speaker 4 (01:55:56):
That they all involved with the play. The whole label
was involved with the play. So so random nigga from
the bow Daga listen to, versus the nigga that was
this is nigga that was in the industry. They just worked.
They weren't working for depth jab.

Speaker 2 (01:56:14):
I have never seen that one person say anybody's ever
written anything for cooks.

Speaker 4 (01:56:20):
Construct the song idea. But Hove has been his own
ship throughout his whole career. Bro, Bro, even when Kanye
talked about So what's interesting about all of this is
this is literally the only genre you have to go to.

Speaker 7 (01:56:34):
This if you talk, if you talk about everything like
you guys were talking, like when you were talking about everything,
that all the producer had to do, and you're like, yeah,
that's sound of the same stuff, and you're looking at
it as a negative every other genre. That's that's a
good producer who comes in with, Hey, here's the here's
the song, here's the here's the vibe I had for
this song, and then you work with the songwriter and
the artist to say, Okay, this is to flush that out,

(01:56:57):
but hold over because y'all, y'all went the whole thing,
and and you were asking what I was laughing about.
That's what I'm thinking the entire time, like this is
so fucking asinine to me that it really is this.
I can't put together a piece of work, and it's
the I gotta do.

Speaker 4 (01:57:15):
If I didn't do. Every single.

Speaker 10 (01:57:18):
Who created this separated hip hop from no y'all know
you started this conversation with the exact villain and you would,
y'all let it go over your head every time.

Speaker 6 (01:57:29):
Jay Z created that dynamic by saying, nobody writes to me,
I don't write I'm the bravest of all time on
this on that.

Speaker 4 (01:57:40):
Get first, but he was.

Speaker 6 (01:57:42):
He was the most mainstream guy to put that thought
process in most people's head. Just so you know, you
got a bigger platform.

Speaker 4 (01:57:51):
No, no, listen, just so we get on people who
have bigger platforms for saying crazy ship.

Speaker 1 (01:57:55):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:57:56):
Jay Z was at that time one of the biggest names,
him and Wayne, and they both was on that ship
knowing that that's not real because music has always been
collaborative effort.

Speaker 4 (01:58:06):
But they're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:58:07):
Their lyrics, talking about the song, they're talking about their bars,
their birth.

Speaker 6 (01:58:11):
They brought to the table, morphed into a unreasonable expectation.

Speaker 4 (01:58:17):
Of hip hop. But but that's my point.

Speaker 7 (01:58:18):
I don't think that this started with them because I
remember niggas saying that in nineties track talking about every.

Speaker 4 (01:58:25):
This is all me like that they it's just in general. Yeah,
so it's like that's just like that's been hip hop funk.
That was right, that he's not because Easy E did
to write and ship. But but but we also know
easy was the drug dealing money behind this.

Speaker 6 (01:58:45):
Like Baby didn't write his ship, right, We knew that,
So we didn't expect that what I'm saying, and it
was easy He never said nothing that you was like, Bro,
that's just so lyrically cold.

Speaker 4 (01:58:55):
I gotta remember that ship. It was probably just catching okay, right,
some ship had something that I was like, what.

Speaker 7 (01:59:06):
It's like, I said, it's still like it's been from
day one that hip hop has been.

Speaker 4 (01:59:12):
This has to be.

Speaker 7 (01:59:12):
It has to be completely solo effort. It can't be
nobody else can help me. Fuck everybody else.

Speaker 5 (01:59:18):
It's me and fully that's what hip hop us from
the basis, it was me versus you. You know, I
got these bars, I got these lyrics. I'm rocking the
party or you rocking the part.

Speaker 4 (01:59:29):
Right, that's it. It's just you and I.

Speaker 5 (01:59:31):
Either you got it or I got it. It has
since evolved from that because now you got oh man,
I got this guy that makes me beats.

Speaker 4 (01:59:36):
Oh you got somebody to do that for you?

Speaker 5 (01:59:38):
Oh yeah, he you know he got beats here. Come
to look at me so often.

Speaker 4 (01:59:41):
All that's cool.

Speaker 5 (01:59:42):
I just thought this verse on there, and now that
that's popping out, now we're a team, and yeah, that
that has been evolved to. Okay, well, I got a
couple of bars for you. If you could just perform
a verse around these couple of bars, we can work
on us together. Okay, Well, now I got this whole
verse for you. Just go ahead and spit this for me.

Speaker 4 (01:59:57):
You know, what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:59:59):
So it has since evolved to a more collaborative effort,
but at the basis of when people want to be
back adacious about it. Of course I'm doing all this
on my own.

Speaker 7 (02:00:09):
But not that part that's cool, And that's not even
the part that's asking not to me, because that is crazy.
The part that's asinine to me is a nigga know
all that excuse it for they fave but trash, noney,
nine other niggas.

Speaker 2 (02:00:21):
That's say, that's the part that's right and to that
point to me, and again I guess it just is
everybody's whatever they rated on right.

Speaker 4 (02:00:30):
So to me, somebody getting help on a hook or
a song.

Speaker 2 (02:00:33):
Concept to me was never or not if your verse
was written to me, That's where I'm like, okay, your verse.

Speaker 4 (02:00:40):
You didn't write your own verse.

Speaker 2 (02:00:42):
That's not your verse is the first part, the hook,
the concept of the song, because again a lot of
the times you might you might just be more lyrical
on just give me a topic and I can go.
But I can't think of a dope ass topic. Somebody
else may come up with a topic. Somebody's ben to
come up with the hook. I'm more so for when
I'm when I'm judging lyricists, I just did you write
that whole those lyrics yourself, those lyrics, not the hook,

(02:01:05):
not the concept.

Speaker 4 (02:01:05):
Of those lyricis somebody say this hook had to be lyrical.
So that's what I said, with with with with with
whole ship.

Speaker 2 (02:01:14):
Yes, he might have had a whole lot of help
from producers giving them songs, song concepts and everything like that.
This is the structure I need you to fill in
these verses, but those verses was all whole.

Speaker 4 (02:01:25):
And to me, that's why hole is my goal. I
go off of that, and again that collaborative effort, I
credit it on because like I said, you try to
credit it to a lot of the A and R,
but whole and it's been proven and behind the scenes
footage and everything like that, and even talking to artists.

Speaker 2 (02:01:41):
Hove has a lot of hands in working with producers.
He's pansitive and producers. But again, but he's also good.

Speaker 4 (02:01:51):
Bro.

Speaker 6 (02:01:51):
You cannot have the whole was the powered by the
machine and m but everybody wants to work with them.

Speaker 4 (02:02:01):
That's the power of the machine. Is gonna make it
like yours an assignment. That's the cardis takes like yeah, everybody.
That's what the reason.

Speaker 2 (02:02:11):
And I'm just like I said, I am a fan
of jay Z, but the reason everybody loved is Z.

Speaker 4 (02:02:16):
Everybody.

Speaker 3 (02:02:17):
When you think about the producer, be like, man, I
would love the producer. It's the machine that's you know
that jay Z.

Speaker 4 (02:02:24):
Is money, you know you know what.

Speaker 6 (02:02:28):
So this to me is the same argument that Drake
tries to have with the fact that the label pushes
who they want and they put their money where they want,
right and the lave always say we do what's best
for the business. And all I'm saying is we have
to constantly remember that when we look at artists because
the artist didn't do it alone, Like you just want
to work with jaz Loan because of visibility, right, But

(02:02:51):
when you did four four four? How many niggas? Was like, yo, bro,
we want to fee on your next project? A lot
of people probably No, No, I'm sure it was a lot.

Speaker 4 (02:02:59):
But at what John? Was it the new niggas? But
was it just niggas?

Speaker 6 (02:03:03):
I was like, well, I see an opportunity. No, I
will reach out and I'll and I'll see if he
wants to work with So this is this is so
two things. The one, I don't give it so one,
I don't give it all to the machine. I do
say jay Z ended up getting.

Speaker 4 (02:03:18):
What I'm saying. The only the reason why it does
sound like.

Speaker 6 (02:03:26):
Not ranking his music when I'm talking about this ship
like I'm saying, like I will listen to a jay
Z song and in my recent listens, yeah, it don't
attract me.

Speaker 4 (02:03:36):
But that's always been because just like when you get
to a certain level.

Speaker 6 (02:03:40):
You start just rapping and you know whatever, Like if
I don't feel like what you rapping you actually feel,
then it just won't hit for me. And that's kind
of how I felt with him. But I respect jay
Z as far as rapping wise, I just feel his
direction ain't.

Speaker 4 (02:03:56):
That at the end game.

Speaker 6 (02:03:57):
But the end game is something business wise has always
been the that's always been the thing.

Speaker 4 (02:04:04):
Like you but here's the thing, Yeah you know what.

Speaker 2 (02:04:11):
Business But here's why, here's what I'm saying, here's what
I said has been hit because it's it's also based
off of what is the audience that you did this
out for, right, and his audience that he did that
album for is for those lyricists and for those people
who are a little bit more on that conscious of
rap style. Right, So the people who said, oh shit,
I want to be you started seeing black Thought, you

(02:04:32):
started seeing com you started seeing all these respected lyricists
who said, Yo, Hope was on some ship and I
want to be a part of that moving forward. Yeah,
you're not gonna get the young boys and money bag
Yo and ship like that, the J I D s
and ship like that.

Speaker 4 (02:04:46):
Who want to be on that unless you are.

Speaker 2 (02:04:48):
Self consciously saying, you know what I see what Hove
is trying to preach in regards to that, I want
to be a part of that. And at stake, Hope
is not making music for the top forty. He's not
making music for the being the popping or being club.
He's making music he has them, But at this at
this stage, he's not just like just like Nas at
this stage is not right. Now, we're looking at some

(02:05:09):
of our elder statements. We saw what Clips did, we
saw what My Deep did, we see what Nas did.
We see what Hove did with four forty four. They
are making music that are more so this is timeless
to the culture. They're not making music for that. And
so yes, there are people that are still going to
want to be like, yes, I want to be on
what Hove is on. I want to be what's on
NAS is on because they are changing that jectory again.

(02:05:31):
To me, this is why I'm like, what I love
about the culture, but I hate about the culture is
that yes, people are not people are being blind to
the sub genres of the culture. You have a pocket
of the culture who are more conscious of saying this
is what we're doing. You have people that are still
making club anthems and still making clubs songs, and that's
what their purpose is for. I don't want to hear

(02:05:53):
jay Z make another club song, but I mean I
don't want to hear NAS being made.

Speaker 3 (02:05:58):
Was like what I think we always feel like realizes
like even in jay Z's face, like he's out.

Speaker 4 (02:06:04):
Of that contract, like he's doesn't what he's.

Speaker 3 (02:06:06):
Doing four for a four nd was doing what the
funk they want to do, Like there is nobody telling
him no more of course to do anything. So like
like you're saying, like because that we're in love with
everything he's doing, it's like it's just not the contract now,
so we wouldn't getting that though we was under contract.

Speaker 4 (02:06:22):
So what I'm saying, like even when we're talking about
like Drake, Like Drake is like still giving contract music,
like he's not.

Speaker 2 (02:06:30):
Out of the ship to be like, but it goes
back to what I originally said when I thought he
was getting out the contract and he was going to
go to he's about to become the next Donald Glover
and as.

Speaker 4 (02:06:39):
That is his fault.

Speaker 7 (02:06:41):
That is Drake's fault because remember he had If you
are reading this, it's too late that dou.

Speaker 4 (02:06:47):
In the contract and that's when it's the sad Q.
I thought this, I didn't get a niggas some more money,
like I said, he that's his fault.

Speaker 2 (02:06:57):
I thought he was going to a whole different strategsphere
was like you can do entertainment and you can pop
out and do an Apple when you want to.

Speaker 11 (02:07:02):
You can pop out of Apple people songs you want.
I thought he was going there, and then he signed
the new thing and it was like, bro, what is
going on? But I mean what I'm saying, like you
signed a new deal that they knew. Like that's what
I'm saying, Like that's why I like even with even
with Like I said, I'm a fan of both of them,
and I agree, like I said, Jay Z's fan fandom.
You are the hay JZ in the beginning, because you
knew it was a machine, and you just it was

(02:07:23):
in that like that whole a little bit foil pit thing,
like you know what I'm saying, the machine, but if
even even the reality of it is just like it's
no different than what we always go through, sixty reds
probably because the machine is putting more money and making.

Speaker 4 (02:07:35):
Sure you can see sixty red everywhere else.

Speaker 1 (02:07:40):
Put it.

Speaker 4 (02:07:42):
When we talked about last last podcast, they put that
same night live and they put it on a TV show.
I got about that. That's the machine is like, bro,
we need your presence to be shown everywhere.

Speaker 7 (02:07:56):
I will, but damn, I think both of y'all could
be correct where it's like, I don't think the machine
makes people, but they will for sure see somebody who
because that is why you got to come in have
an x amount of TikTok followers because we're not we're
not making niggas. But oh we saw you got this,
and we know we can amplify this ten million to

(02:08:18):
make it a hundred million.

Speaker 2 (02:08:19):
Oh yeah, you know, we know at the end of
the day, Ye we ain't see the machine make a
make a star in a Wow.

Speaker 4 (02:08:30):
Yeah, but that's still don't like.

Speaker 2 (02:08:34):
But that's still considered a while before that Maclamore, that's
still considered a while ago.

Speaker 4 (02:08:39):
I don't like the Maclamore. I don't think she.

Speaker 5 (02:08:42):
I think post.

Speaker 4 (02:08:45):
That's still ago. That's still.

Speaker 7 (02:08:49):
Jack Carlo had the song that Pops and that was it.
If the Machine would have made him, he would have
an extended success, I think.

Speaker 4 (02:08:54):
But I think the last the.

Speaker 2 (02:08:56):
Last person that I sink Drake jumped on like I
can do it is music wise, But the last.

Speaker 4 (02:09:02):
Person that I see the machine made was Bobby. That's
the podcast the Little White They be doing the podcast
like the yes, well, she one of the biggest podcasters
out right now. Like what she's like, he said, not
music wise wise, like yes, bro, bro she has.

Speaker 2 (02:09:27):
She had no past history of podcasting, no past media experience.

Speaker 4 (02:09:33):
Whoever gave her Drake for the first interview. Her first
interview was Drake her first I could have whatever she
came out with right off the gate.

Speaker 2 (02:09:49):
It's just right out the gate, but the past personality
and we was like, oh she was doing a little
bit here, she have a streaming followed she.

Speaker 4 (02:09:56):
Just popped out before her thing, she had too many
followers on TikTok doing what that woman that's just white
people ain't.

Speaker 7 (02:10:09):
Gonna like that that really is anything. And again it's
gonna sound really crazy, but anything that has a multicom
of black culture but it's a white person doing it,
it blows up.

Speaker 2 (02:10:19):
Because she did was still funny Marco style. Yeah, she's
just still funny. But man, let's get into recommendations. Man,
we already to the recommendations.

Speaker 3 (02:10:27):
Actually want because I still want to kind of stick
in Halloween for a little bit. Okay, So I really
I really wanted to know every like everybody's like, I mean,
you kind of said your space too. I like, you
had a lot of Halloween this Halloween, okay, but just
like some of their everybody's biggest moment of this this
Halloween or just the month October, like movie this usually

(02:10:47):
that you saw this month or whatever, like, but just
still still keeping Halloween.

Speaker 4 (02:10:51):
Okay, did I'll say my strangest things rewatch?

Speaker 2 (02:10:54):
I rewatched strange So I waited off God, I knew
I was going to do the rewatch up to it,
and I said, you know what, I'm gonna watch it
during October. So I rewatched all the Stranger Things in October,
and it hits way different when you can watch it
just Incession, my first time watching it in secession, Like
I watched it as the.

Speaker 4 (02:11:11):
Season went, but remember there was so much long breaks.

Speaker 2 (02:11:13):
But watching him all season one through five, seven, six
for whatever, how many season is four?

Speaker 4 (02:11:20):
Yeah, one through four and just watching it all, Bro,
Stranger Things is a golden series.

Speaker 2 (02:11:26):
Like even the lows that we that we talked about
we had, you know what I'm saying that we talked
about when we covered the series and shit like that,
it's just like it wasn't as low as I thought
it was. And Stranger Things in full, when you watch
it in full, the story that they're telling, the horror
elements of it, the surprise elements of it, the nostalgia

(02:11:47):
of the town and the field and everything. Stranger Things
is really a golded show. Bro, It's could it's in
my top five shows ever, Like with my rewatch now
that I think about it, like, it's really in my
top five ever because us everything that they get, Like
I'm so invested in Bro, the minor characters, I got
invested in the major characters.

Speaker 4 (02:12:06):
Of course, I'm invested in the story.

Speaker 2 (02:12:08):
You know what I'm saying, even the the when I
think about like the horror elements of like the monster design,
the demo, Gordon's design, Vecna design, the.

Speaker 1 (02:12:18):
U.

Speaker 4 (02:12:19):
Now I was gonna call it the smoke Monster.

Speaker 2 (02:12:21):
The mind flair even like just like you know saying,
the music associated with it, Like even outside of running
up them hill, running up that hill, they always had
that like that, Like just they really created the world
and it sucks you into it where you're like, yo,
this is like I'm in it.

Speaker 4 (02:12:38):
I'm in Hawkins. You know what I'm saying, You're invested
in all that story.

Speaker 2 (02:12:43):
So yeah, my strange thing to you rotters, it really
it really amplified how much I love this show, this series.

Speaker 4 (02:12:51):
Mmm, that's good. That's nice.

Speaker 7 (02:12:55):
It'll probably just be all the different horror games out
than playing like I Steam Next Sects every October or
that that minute thought year, but there is typically one
in October, and most years I usually just pick whatever games.
But I made it a like a focal point to
pick all horror games because obviously it's Halloween and.

Speaker 4 (02:13:15):
It's a lot of talented games out there.

Speaker 7 (02:13:18):
If you had to pick one, Oh, my favorite probably
a shift at midnight, midnight, midnight is fun.

Speaker 2 (02:13:25):
Watching this place midnight. That's what really lost me to like,
I think I want to play some more Steam games.
Game that game, fun gameplay, maybe you want to play
And that kind of pushed me into Steam.

Speaker 7 (02:13:37):
One, just because it's such a simple concept of literally
somebody comes in and you got to see if they're
human or not and then be like, it's just that
gameplay loop is so easy. If that's a game where
you can like you got twenty minutes you want to
kill fuck it. I'm gonna play a couple of Round
the Ship tik that midnight. It's it's such a fun game.

Speaker 4 (02:13:58):
Mine would be.

Speaker 3 (02:14:00):
I mean, so, I mean, like I agree with it,
like I feel like like the game, and like I said,
like for me, uh fath like fatimotobia, like fatophobia was
so far my favorite, like horror game I played in October.

Speaker 4 (02:14:16):
Like and but like I said, for me, that came
later in October too.

Speaker 2 (02:14:20):
But it's like like but even if we talked about Elier,
when I was saying like I really don't like change
hard or like that, but it's like or even first
person hard.

Speaker 3 (02:14:28):
That is what kind of made me like, Bro, you
need to get back into your rest, like you need
to get like get over this ship.

Speaker 4 (02:14:34):
You're saying, you know, you get over this ship real quick.

Speaker 2 (02:14:37):
You know why it's so crazy to me that those
games you don't really like, that you wasn't diving into
is that you are such a reactive person that this
fits perfectly for your personality. Bro. Why it It's like, bro,
people people will watch just to see you, Like, Bro,
I got to see how the CARDI react to this.

Speaker 3 (02:14:55):
And I think, but also I think for me too,
it's like like I said, for when I'm residing in
the past, like I've always had a weird thing about
this playing hard.

Speaker 4 (02:15:05):
Game by myself in general anyway.

Speaker 3 (02:15:06):
But you're saying, like I like, I've run through some
games and play You're saying, like in certain games, but
it is like the Chase Hard Ship because I do,
even even without twitch or whatever, I talk to myself
like playing the game like you're saying. So it's like,
I don't know what it was in the comfort zone
of just like like I'm in this space of being
online streaming and somebody might be watching me whatever, you know,

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I don't know nobody watched me but it's like I
can kind of go through that little bit more.

Speaker 4 (02:15:31):
E's easier.

Speaker 2 (02:15:32):
So it's like, even, like I said, I feel like
you're more self conscious about people hearing you scared, Like
I want the neighbors to know.

Speaker 4 (02:15:37):
I don't want nobody scared, like I said, Like I.

Speaker 3 (02:15:41):
Said, like I said, the key thing is like I
don't like dying, Like I just don't. I don't like
I don't like running for my life.

Speaker 4 (02:15:47):
I don't like dying. I just don't like it. There
any other game in the world they cause you to die.
It's the fact that you say this statement, like we
go like, well, no, we like dying.

Speaker 3 (02:16:00):
I don't want to run for your life, like I said,
Like I said, Like when like when me and King
was playing What's the name the.

Speaker 4 (02:16:07):
Hip grabbing me was like this is a lot. But
but when me and this play before me, I'm like,
you know what, a little bit like you get a
little weird glitch that my hands like with that, like
I can do that, you ain't going it's different Outlast Trials.
Just just let you know. So I mean.

Speaker 2 (02:16:28):
But but I feel like even even me kicking into
that space of October does like I said, liken like
even like knowing like digit play whatever.

Speaker 4 (02:16:37):
It's like I would try all these games now in
a sense like I will.

Speaker 3 (02:16:40):
Really you need a comfort person you ideas not even
space was like like I said, I want to. I
want to run through the resid evil games like that,
like I want to.

Speaker 4 (02:16:49):
I want to. These are my.

Speaker 3 (02:16:50):
Favorite Giants games. I would be live at watch when
you do the rest in games, and it's like I
can't like I can't remove myself. I can't wait to
to I would be lying for that check. So like
like I said, I want to play all those games.
So it's like for me, it really kind of reignited
my love of Like, bro, you really like horror games.
You got to get over this ship and just like

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and play them.

Speaker 2 (02:17:13):
Because it's like I do like if if it's a
genre game I like the most.

Speaker 4 (02:17:17):
It really is horror games, Like I like Zion games.
I like all that kind of ship.

Speaker 2 (02:17:21):
I like, I like the exploration and like the scares.
I do like to jump scares of all the ship.
I just say, first person you're saying so like I
said that any third person game like so I would
run three D Company out there, y'all want to bring.

Speaker 4 (02:17:34):
I would run through D sessions. If it's a fort
D company, you want to bring deek set to experience it,
please bring us. You're saying, I need a card to
experience this. So it's like so, I mean so yeah,
So like for me, it's like, really remember the Allen
one that it was a four D theater Brandon was going.
It was a situation where it was like, all right,

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you're four D and we're gonna go up in space.

Speaker 2 (02:17:58):
We go up in space and it's a guy that like,
hey us, and he telling us a story and everything
like that, and there's aliens out of the here shouder
this alien and then the alien accidentally gets transported to
where we at.

Speaker 4 (02:18:07):
We're four D and then we see the alien in
it and then break the break the glass. But it's
four D. So now the alien loose in the room
and we need a chair.

Speaker 2 (02:18:17):
Ship.

Speaker 4 (02:18:18):
Bro. I know, my little cousin lost.

Speaker 7 (02:18:20):
His shot, like breaking was so terrified and we got
back out there.

Speaker 4 (02:18:26):
I'm like, bro, so we need not because you know
it's four D.

Speaker 2 (02:18:36):
Walking around, then you hear somebody scream like they got
eight and they got shoot a little bit of the
water in that bro, my dad was.

Speaker 4 (02:18:44):
I think I think my dad heard that. Two adults
in there allredon Bro. He's sitting next to me. I'm like,
for this, this man is about this kid is about
to die. All look like somebody.

Speaker 2 (02:18:58):
So I did play like even when I was in
when I was in when I was in Texas, I
went to what the fuck.

Speaker 1 (02:19:04):
Is it called?

Speaker 4 (02:19:06):
Cousin Cosum was one? I mean that was I was
I was gonna recommend that because I was Matrix.

Speaker 3 (02:19:11):
But it's not really hard, but I'm definitely like Matrix
was cald at that cosm thing like that ship was.

Speaker 2 (02:19:18):
But it looked like But I did go to like
what I'm like David. I the name of the planet
was like one of the David Bust places and they
had like the virtual reality game and it was one
of those where we didn't like, I'm like we was.

Speaker 3 (02:19:28):
It was two different ones and when like the guy
that was like we was gonna pick this other one
that kind of like walk around, He's like, y'all probably
like this other one. And it was like a four
planel thing but the panel moved, you know what I'm saying,
all ship yeah, but it was like so we were
doing like an actual like zombie thing, but it was
like you were on a flying machine like so like

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you put the VR thing on and it was like
I didn't know, like I'm like some big cre like
look at the like after some big creature whatever and
the game start where you just leased on the ground
and you hear it I paid talking like I'm getting
injured together whatever going that fuck it took off, but.

Speaker 4 (02:20:06):
You feel like it for I'm like, dog, this is
like and the wind was blowing like it was.

Speaker 6 (02:20:12):
A crazy v expirit like we did that in Vegas.
Though that's crazy and that ship was but native to be.

Speaker 2 (02:20:18):
Our experience, bro, So it's like we need more horror
experiences bring geek sets specifically with Cardis.

Speaker 4 (02:20:24):
But I mean I was like, I said, get a
camera on them too, my game thing.

Speaker 3 (02:20:28):
But it's like I really, like I said, even just
throughout October, I really enjoy I've been in the space where.

Speaker 2 (02:20:34):
I've been letting live TV just kind of show the life.
You're gonna show a lot of hard so a lot.
I've watched a lot of movies commercial even with the
person because it's like I ain't seen.

Speaker 5 (02:20:46):
This forever, Like I'm saying like she was going crazy already.

Speaker 3 (02:20:49):
Yeah, Like I had the moment where I went through
all the j sions because they was just living like
a day, like it was back.

Speaker 4 (02:20:53):
To back to back to back, and I'm like, what
commercial whatever on TV? I watched all the screams and
I was like, damn, I forgot and movies.

Speaker 3 (02:21:02):
So it's like, like I said, but what I would
do when to say, like back, Brian Brooklyn is one
of my favorite art Like I really realized watched it.
It was so it was on so many times live TV,
like I'll just turn my TV on to be like
it pop up like this is all halfway through whatever,
and I caught it one time and just watched it
straight through and just forgot how great that movie really was,

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you're saying, and like I feel like I feel like
we I feel like we slip on it when we
talk about like black horror movies and shing like that,
like just really because it really.

Speaker 4 (02:21:33):
Wasn't a horror movie. Kind of got it was like
horror comedy.

Speaker 3 (02:21:36):
But Eddie didn't fast as a job being a Empire bro,
like absolutely, like he really did, you're saying, And even
in that space of understanding, Like I think that just
brought me to my things just talking about like you know,
he finna finally do is we haven't never had an
Eddie Murphy documentary, like I think they can do a
Netflix watch to watch it too, But it's like that

(02:21:57):
even that in like Hard Knights, like that was a
we're kind of things that were pop up on this
on on throughout the month, and it was just like
bro Eddie had a fucking dumb assu bro like in
his life. Even where he's at now it can still
do ship, but when he was in his prime as
a black man like bro, nobody can really touch Eddie
Murphy and what he did in moves to films like

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the TV show.

Speaker 4 (02:22:18):
So all right trip.

Speaker 5 (02:22:22):
So I also been watching Stranger Things Back, but just
outside of that, just really getting into you know, I
like to watch those reality TV shows as far as
like Ghost Adventures and ship like that, you know, getting
you know, involved in watching those because I feel like
around Halloween is the personal time to really be well

(02:22:42):
versed into that. Outside of watching the Stranger Things Back,
just been getting prepared for the new season that's coming
out and watching Welcome to Darry.

Speaker 4 (02:22:56):
I I was gonna.

Speaker 2 (02:22:58):
You, but I feel like, I do you want to talk?
I want to know if everybody watched it. That's not
like I wanted to actually talk about it.

Speaker 4 (02:23:05):
I didn't chance to watch it. I'm surprised. It's good.
It's so good. I'm gonna try to check it out
this week my probably October.

Speaker 6 (02:23:12):
I got two things, I guess. So the first would
be every year I do try to do a series,
a new series that I have not watched before, and
I try to like watch the whole thing. So the
beginning of the month I did do Terrifier from All
Hollows Eve all the way to Terrified three.

Speaker 4 (02:23:27):
And I think it's a really good storyline. Like I know,
Terrifiers gory, and he has.

Speaker 6 (02:23:32):
Some really crazy kill, crazy kill you get past it,
it's actually a really good story. Now it's kind of
it's still kind of be great in a sense of
like it's not too intricate, and it's definitely been done before.

Speaker 4 (02:23:46):
But when you mix it on top of the visuals,
it makes it.

Speaker 6 (02:23:50):
It makes it a little bit more interesting, you know
what I'm saying, a little more tolerable, uh, And it
kind of gives not necessarily meaning to the kills, but
it it makes it make sense. So that was my
That was like something I was really happy I did early.
Just got it out the way because they all are peacocks.
It was like boom boom boom, got it out the way.

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And my second recommendation, so I advise people, man, if
y'all gonna.

Speaker 4 (02:24:17):
Dress up or y'all gonna like go do stuff for Halloween,
do it as a group.

Speaker 6 (02:24:22):
Because we had a really good time this year. Me,
my wife and my sons were the Ninja Turtles and
there were like just like last year. Like so the
last few years we've been doing family costume or whatever.
So like we did Star Wars, the whole cast of
Star Wars for the most part. I think before that,
we did Mario Brothers and it was dope. Like it's

(02:24:47):
just really but it's the reception I think you get
so a better reception when you have like a group
of us, because like it was wild. We was on
the other side of town and like families was coming outside. Bro,
they ain't candy. They just wanted wanted to.

Speaker 4 (02:25:01):
Be like turtle power and like just you know what
I'm saying, my son's getting that vibe.

Speaker 6 (02:25:07):
Like at one point, like it was houses they had candy,
like right across street from each other, but in the
middle of a manhole cover.

Speaker 4 (02:25:14):
Me and him walking down the street.

Speaker 6 (02:25:16):
First he do run and jump like he you know
what I said, Like he even said like turtle power
and jumped. I'm like, bro, everybody loved it. And I
think that's what we kind of got away from with Halloween.
What is really about having a really good time, not
just like having a really intricate consta or looking real
sex because I know that was the thing too.

Speaker 2 (02:25:36):
You know what that made me think about with Turtles, Man,
the manhole cover was so associated with the Turtles, I
feel like we could they were straight away from that
with the Turtles.

Speaker 4 (02:25:45):
Like it's not like I feel like I feel like
we lost kids.

Speaker 6 (02:25:48):
I feel like we hate the manhole covers because we
drive now they don't associate it.

Speaker 4 (02:25:56):
Everybody want to.

Speaker 2 (02:25:57):
Down but you couldn't even lift the motherfuckers you remember
as kids we saw walked by like turn those down
there like the strongest hell bro. You know. To Chang's point,
even about that, man, I did my my closet cosplay
of knuckles and so much joy of people like.

Speaker 4 (02:26:14):
I saw like it was pair of look what got
Look you got?

Speaker 2 (02:26:17):
And I'm like, I'm not even in four knuckles. I
just had the gloves, my red the red hoodie. You
know what I'm saying. But people, it's just.

Speaker 4 (02:26:23):
Like, you know what I'm saying, that fun people love it, man,
But I mean OG recommendation. Man.

Speaker 2 (02:26:28):
First things first, before we get into OG recommendations again. Man,
we talked about her when she popped in, but I
want to say, Man, make sure y'all follow Swiper Man.

Speaker 4 (02:26:35):
Swiper is the new member of geek set. Man been
doing a lot of gaming.

Speaker 2 (02:26:38):
If you've been watching Disch's gaming space and everything like that,
then you are very familiar with Swiper. We finally made
an official brought Swiper on to the team. So make
sure you follow Swiper. Make sure you go check out,
you know, all of her pages, check out her gaming
as well. Show us some support, throw some eagles in
the chat for her, and you know what I'm saying,
when y'all see her going live or anything like that, though,

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eagles in her chat as well.

Speaker 4 (02:27:01):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:27:02):
Make sure you follow everybody's social media page as we've
been saying, and everybody is putting out more content. Man
did is gaming. He got a nice little community over there.
But Cardi's gaming, he got his community over there. King
is gaming and also putting out more movie shit. Trip
is gaming. Like you said, get go, make.

Speaker 4 (02:27:17):
Sure you follow everybody, Man, get everybody's stuff up.

Speaker 2 (02:27:20):
I'm gonna start gaming more man, Like I said, Did
inspired me, mccardi inspired me, King inspired me. So Trip
inspired everybody inspired me because I've been saying more gaming
in October. So I'm gonna be doing twelve minutes. For
those who know about twelve minutes, it's a loop game.
I started on mobile and I'll say, oh fuck that,
I want to play that now. So it's really you're

(02:27:40):
trying to discover a murder that happened. You want to
figure out why this cop want to kill your wife,
and you got twelve minutes to figure it out other
way loops, and you know the character.

Speaker 4 (02:27:50):
Your character knows that you're in a loop.

Speaker 2 (02:27:52):
So now you can use those clues from what happened
in the loop to try to figure out and try
to convince your wife and try to figure out this case.
I haven't figured it out yet, and so I was like, fuck,
I'm about to do it on on Twitch now. So
I'm getting my Twitch stream together, got to get my
setup together and everything. But yeah, look out for my
Twitch because I'm gonna be uh streaming that and I'm
I'm gonna dive.

Speaker 4 (02:28:13):
Into some more Steam games. Make sure you go to
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Speaker 2 (02:28:17):
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