June 4, 2023 • 56 mins
Ben was born in New Orleans. His first ten years were spent on the family’s Mississippi Delta cotton farm before the family relocated to Dallas, Texas. As an adult he has lived in Dallas,
New Orleans, San Francisco, and Colorado Springs.
In a previous life, Ben Coleman worked as a sales and marketing executive for a NASDAQ 100 International company. In 2001 he experienced a health crisis which led him to begin exploring alternatives to traditional Western medicine.
Long desiring to write, Ben published his first romantic suspense novel in 2013. He and his wife live in Colorado Springs where they thoroughly enjoy being close by to all six of their grandchildren.
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New Orleans, San Francisco, and Colorado Springs.
In a previous life, Ben Coleman worked as a sales and marketing executive for a NASDAQ 100 International company. In 2001 he experienced a health crisis which led him to begin exploring alternatives to traditional Western medicine.
Long desiring to write, Ben published his first romantic suspense novel in 2013. He and his wife live in Colorado Springs where they thoroughly enjoy being close by to all six of their grandchildren.
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/healthy-alternatives-with-dr-janet-hull--5836098/support.
Please note that all XZBN radio and/or television shows are Copyright © REL-MAR McConnell Meda Company, Niagara, Ontario, Canada – www.rel-mar.com. For more Episodes of this show and all shows produced, broadcasted and syndicated from REL-MAR McConell Media Company and The 'X' Zone Broadcast Network and the 'X' Zone TV Channell, visit www.xzbn.net. For programming, distribution, and syndication inquiries, email programming@xzbn.net.
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TV, dot com and now hereis the host of Healthy Alternatives, Doctor
Janet Hull. How do everybody?Welcome to another edition of Healthy Alternatives And
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today I have a very special guest. And when I say that, I
really mean it. He's a veryspecial guest to me because I have known
Ben Coleman since junior high school,which was just a few years ago.
Um Ben and and I have followedone another through social media over over the
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years, and when he posted upan article talking about his cancer recovery and
about a Chinese supplement that I nevercan pronounce correctly. I've had too much
Latin. I think arta Messenen.I hope I said that, right,
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Ben. I immediately contacted him becauseof what I do with alternative medicine and
alternative supplements that most people don't knowabout. I was not only intrigued with
his wonderful story, but having knownbeen for so long, absolutely in awe
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and admiration over what he's done.So he's been so gracious to come onto
my show today. So we're gonnabe talking like old friends. But he's
got a story to tell you thatwill just blow your socks off. Welcome
Ben Coleman, Hi Jan, thankyou for having me. Your story is
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phenomenal because your story is one ofstrength, and it's one of faith,
and it's a story that you wisheveryone would just try when they've been diagnosed
with a disease. But it's notthat easy, and I've been through it
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myself, but nothing compared with thediagnosis of cancer, and so I really
really want you to just take yourtime. We've got plenty of time to
talk about the good, bad andthe ugly of the details about what you
went through. And this was howmany years ago, in two thousand and
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one, and I'll I'll tell youwhat happened. I was our kids were
all in school in Dallas and older. We didn't want to move them.
I had a wonderful career job opportunityout on the West coast in the Bay
Area, and so we kept ourhome in Dallas and got a place in
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San franci Usco. And I commutedback and forth every week or every other
week to be with the family backin Dallas. I was by myself on
a March morning in two thousand andone. I got up. I'm not
really a morning person, never havebeen. So I got up, went
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through the normal routine of getting readyto go to work, and was shaving
and noticed that there was a numbnesson my face, and I thought,
gosh, this is so strange.I had a small bump up in my
head and my face seemed numb andsagging a little bit on my right side.
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A thought, well, that's strange. But I went about the routine,
got ready, got on into theoffice and my assistant looked at me
and instead of a happy, normalgreeting, she said, you just look
awful, and I thank you.I don't feel so good. Something I
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don't feel so good. Something's alittle off. I kept. As the
morning went on, I felt worseand worse and called my art and wife
back in Dallas and told her whatwas going on. And she said,
you need to go to the emergencyroom right now. And that's what I
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did. So I drove myself intothe emergency room and described all of the
symptoms. Waited like you do sooften in emergency rooms. It seemed like
for hours, and they finally sawme started running tests. Definitely, you
have some form of paralysis. Wedon't know what's causing it. Tests over
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the next few weeks I ended upresulting in that I had a tumor was
growing into my skull blocking the nerveson the right side of my face and
that's why I had the numbers.So got a surgeon and I asked,
In fact, I asked the emergencyroom doctor. I said, hey,
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I've never I don't have any connectionsout here in the city to mute back
and forth. What would you doif this were your family? If I
were your family member, if Iwere your son, or your daughter or
your husband, what would you do? And she said, well I would.
I would obviously get a surgeon andget it removed and see what see
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where that goes. And I said, well, who would you recommend if
it were you? She said,well, the person that I would recommend
is out of your network, andI don't care about that. Who is
the best? She said, well, he's full And I said, oh
great, And I said, wouldyou make a call for me, call
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him and tell him that you havesomeone that that really needs to see you.
And she did. She wrote hisname down, she called him.
I was in to see him thenext day. And in May of two
thousand and one, I had surgery. They removed the tumor. It had
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not metastasized, which they didn't knowuntil they got in, but it had
grown deeply into my skull, andso they did get it out and I
ended up the worst part about thewhole thing, it wasn't really that painful.
The worst thing about it were thehorrible drainage tubes. If anybody's had
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surgery with drainage tubes. You knowexactly what I'm talking about. A few
weeks later, the tubes were removed. I was in a follow up visit
with my surgeon who referred me toI had an oncologist by then he had
referred me to the person that heloved and respected as an I'm the collegist,
and in seeing her, they deliveredthe news that they got it all.
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They are convinced based on testing thatthey did around the tumor and all
in the tissue that it was localized, had not spread anywhere else. But
they said I had a sixty sevenpercent chance of having one or more multiple
tumors within the first year, andand that if it metastasized, if they
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didn't catch it early my five year, my five year life expectancy plan was
not too great. So I startedevery three months I would go back to
my oncologists and and for for fiveyears, every three months, even when
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I moved back to that and leftthat position, I flew back to San
Francisco and my own Nickel insurance wouldnot cover it, and did the test.
I went through a series of bloodtests and other types of tests to
see if cancer had returned. Sothat's how That's how it all began for
me when I heard the when Iheard jan the prognosis that I was there
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was, you know, a twoand three chance that I was going to
have yet another tumor somewhere else inmy body. I thought, gosh,
what else can I do? Yeah, and their their hope to me was,
well, you just early detection andyou just try to catch it quickly,
and then did they do the traditionalchemotherapy and radiation. Did not have
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to have radiation and did not haveto have chemo. They had talked about
while I was in surgery doing thetesting, and we had talked about putting
what they called pellets into my headthat they did not. They the testing
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reveal that they did not have todo that, that it was so localized
and had and had not spread,and you know it was They actually told
me it was two type of tumorsin one. I don't have it written
down, so I don't know whichwhat they were. Uh. I was
off work for about three weeks,got back into work three weeks. Had
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that was about it? Yeah,I uh, I felt a lot better,
not one hundred percent, but Ifelt a lot better. The numbness
began to slowly go away. AndI was describing to one of the members
of my sales team. I manageda large sales team out throughout the Bay
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Area. And I was describing toone of the members of my sales team
and he said, well, youknow, Daniel is from China and he
was trained as a Chinese doctor.And I said, well, no,
I didn't know that. And hesaid, well, I'm going to tell
him what's going on with you?And I said, well, sure,
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I don't I don't mind. Afew days later, Daniel came into my
office and we got to talking andI described what had happened and what was
going on the all. I've beenout and been sick and had some problems.
And he looked at me and hesaid, he told me his history
of being trained in China, andand he looked at me and he said,
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are you open to trying some Chineseremedies that we've been using for thousands
of years? Wow said, well, of course I'm open. I said,
you know, what do I have? What do I have to lose?
Because here I'm I'm most likely goingto have a not at least one
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more tumor within a year, andmaybe who knows what else I'm open.
We're about ready to take a breakhere. We got about a minute left,
and so what I want to dowhen we get back. I want
to hear the details about your Chinesethe Chinese doctor, and what he recommended
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to you, and what your thoughtswere when you were approached with this alternative,
because when he asked if you wereopen, I don't think a lot
of people would be, so,you know, I think what you did
was extremely brave and courageous. We'retalking with Ben Coleman, who is an
author, which we will get intothat as well after the first or the
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second segment is over, and yourstory about having a cancerous tumor removed from
your brain and how you have recoveredfrom this, because that was in two
thousand and one, so we aretalking a long time ago. That's the
best way to put it. Sowe will return after the break, and
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I hope I have the timing downgood. They've changed the timing on us,
and I might be a little earlyhere. Oops, I get the
breaks. Still don't have the breaksdown right, but we will talk about
this when we come back, andhopefully I've got my break timing down.
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Welcome back to healthy alternatives with mygood friend, my longtime friend and author
Ben Coleman, before the break whichI grossly butchered, we were talking about
a challenge. I guess I wouldconsider it maybe a life challenge. Ben,
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when you've had a malignant tumor removedand you've been told that it's going
to return in as early as ayear. My guests would be that when
someone comes up to you and asksyou if you are open for alternatives,
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that would to me be a verychallenging question. But it seemed like you
took it. You took it andran with it. So tell us about
the doctor that was working at youroffice at that time. Well, he
had been trained in China. Hisfamily had immigrated for political reasons, and
he was unable to practice medicine.He did not have a proper credentials in
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the US to do that. Sohe was working in my salesforce and he
came to my office and he said, here in China we have been treating
tumors and cancer for thousands of years. And he named the name, and
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it was art a Messmin And Ithought, well, I've never I have
no, I never heard of it. And in fact, I had never
done anything in any type of alternativecare or treatment. So I told him,
I said, hey, let metalk to my oncologists about it.
And I don't feel like I haveanything to lose, but let me talk
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to her. So I did.She had no problems with me trying alternative
therapies. I don't know if that'sa West Coast thing or her whatever,
but she had no problems with that. Provided and she said, provided you
continue to come to your quarterly testings, providing you continue your traditional treatments.
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And I said, well, okay. So Daniel told me, he said,
here's what you need to do.You need to get I'm going to
find it for you here in theStates. And he found a particular Artu
messanin that had the potency that hethought that he thought I needed. He
said, okay, this stuff canbe toxic. So what you do is
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one month you're going to be onthis protocol and you take it's hundred milligram
capsules of art A messanin. Youtake two three times a day for one
month, and that's it. Witha full glass of water first thing in
the morning, last, you know, before a meal, for about half
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an hour and you do that forone solid month, and he said,
within twenty four to forty eight hoursof your first ghost, if you have
any cancer cells in your body,they will be they will be dead.
Well to me, that was itwas just not very believable. But again
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I thought, well, that's notanything like the traditional therapy that take you
know, take two capsules three timesa day and it's going to kill the
cancer. I thought, yeah,okay, well I'll give it a shot.
So I started. I started theprotocol that he recommended with just arto
messanin, and I had no sideeffects, no reactions whatsoever. Then I
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was not able to really do anyresearch on arte mess And then I didn't
know of anything being written about itor anything like that. Since I have
learned that the World Health Organization usesArto messanin to treat malaria in Africa and
so, and since there had beensome cancer studies with arto messanum. But
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I did that, and then inmy next follow up with my oncologist,
she said she looked at me andsaid, you know, we've got the
tumor and we're going to monitor that, but you are not healthy, you
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are overweight, you don't you havehorrible sleep habits. You're out of shape,
and she was right. I wasa hundred pounds overweight. I was
I could barely walk up an inclinewithout getting winded. And she sat She
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sat me down, and by thispoint we had become somewhat friends. We
had actually run into each other ata San Francisco has these wonderful art galleries
and wine tastings. When they openedit bring in someone new, and she
and I just happened to run intoeach other at one of those events,
both of us invited and struck itup. She called me in and set
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me down on the on the tableand she said, Ben, she said,
you are very sick. You're unhealthy. You lead an unhealthy lifestyle.
It's you've got to lose the weight. You've got to get rid of stress
in your life, and you've gotto start getting back in shape, or
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else you're going to have a stroke. That didn't mean up. Yep,
blood pressure was off the charts.So I started taking the traditional medicine for
that, and yeah, yeah,I started taking uh those Licenti reals.
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She told me I'd be on itfor the rest of my life. But
that didn't turn out to be true. I I she told what she did
was painted a picture for me thatreally was was horrible. I said,
so what does it mean what thisstroke? She says, you're a very
high stroke risk and if you don'tlose weight. She said, we can't
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ever tell about strokes of where thatwhat they're going to lead to. But
she said, I just want youto get a visual in your mind of
you being paralyzed in a hospital bedwith somebody changing your diaper. And I
said, oh, that's how that'sAnd I couldn't get that out of my
mind. And so that motivated meto start on a program to lose the
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weight, eat differently and get ridof stress. And she made some recommendations
to me on the stress thing,and so I started. I started a
diet, I started an exercise regiment, and I remember I did a stationary
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bike. I was so overweight whenI first started. It was so discouraging
because I could go two minutes andthat was about it. I was in
that bad of shape, and twominutes got to be three, got to
be higher and higher. I switchedto an elliptical and started doing an elliptical
and got to where I could doan elliptical for an hour. Heart great.
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Yeah. I joined a gym anddid and did the elliptical thing five
days a week. And then Istarted weight training and I lost all combined,
I lost a hundred pounds over aboutnine months. Wow. Wow wow.
And this was still in San Francisco, right, Yeah, I was
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still in San Francisco, and partof the stress issue was my high pressure
corporate job. And she finally toldme, she said, Okay, you're
doing everything. Great. We hadbeen able to as I lost the weight
and got in shape, I wasable to reduce the license April and eventually
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cut it out completely, which youknow, baffled my doctor. She said,
yeah, I've just never had thishappen, and I find okay.
But I started following what she recommended, and on a I had problems getting
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into the meditation thing. I guesssome of us type A people don't sit
still for very long very well andget in doing that. So she recommended
something that she had heard of calledHolosinc, which is a binaural put the
earbuds in your ear or the headphonesin your ear, and it does brain
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wave adjustments because it sends different frequenciesinto each ear and it gets you into
a meditative state pretty quickly. SoI didn't. It's called Holosinc. And
I started that, and it is. Uh it's Holosinc dot com, I
believe. And I put the linksof everything we're talking about jen on my
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website. I've made a post andso if people want to find out more,
they can go to the website andclick click on the links, which
ISOs dot com. Right, BenHolman, that's it. And I did
that. I started doing that anhour a day, became addicted to it.
Really, it was hard to believethat I could find an hour and
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the day to do that and towork out. So getting healthy took time.
And then I you know, ofcourse, I went quarterly for my
check up and a year hit andno cancer, no tumor. Two years
hit, no cancer, no tumor. I had left the job and was
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retired from the industry that I've beenin for twenty five years, and did
some consulting work, started my owninternet marketing business with just me. I
had been a a front of theroom person with salespeople, training salespeople literally
all over the world for for yearsand uh right I did uh we uh
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a Nasdaq one hundred company internationals,so I'm a million mile or on two
different airlines. That's how much Itraveled. There were some some some years
I ended up in hotel rooms somewhereon the planet for three hundred nights a
year. So it was just ahigh stress, go go go, and
that's part of what led me tobe unhealthy. But then the stress of
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a meeting, a quarterly we tookthe company public meeting, quarterly budgets,
revenue goals, all of that takesa toll and uh no kidding, and
that's yeah, and it did forme. I was I was stat and
sick and burned out, and finallythe stress I just knew that I had
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to leave and do something else.I've left San Francisco, went back to
Dallas to home, continued to getto get healthy and and went hit.
Eventually kept going back to San Franciscoand ended up five years and no tumor
and no cancer. My on colleaguejust said, Okay, we're going to
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annual visits. You've made it fiveyears and we'll do an annual visit.
I did my art of messenin protocolreligiously every six months. I mean,
I literally plugged it into my calendarand started it and did it for a
month every every six months. Andyou still do, correct, you still
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do? Oh? Yeah, absolutelystill do. And there are a number
of reasons for that. The Iwas, I was an adopted kid,
and as I had children, yep, as I had children and my girls
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grew up, one of them hadan issue with olympectomy at a at a
rather young age, had to havethat removed. It was not malignant or
anything, but as they would goto their obigan constantly, their medical history
would be inquired about. They wantedto know, do you have a history
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of breast cancer or any type ofcancer in your family? I didn't know,
right, so I didn't know.They kept pressing me on it.
The girls did, and I said, well, maybe I should just find
out my roots. Took the ancestrytest, I guess not seven years ago
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now ended up with the ancestry testfinding my biological Wow. Ben, I'm
getting ready to take another break.If I have this downright, We've got
the minutes back, so hopefully we'llbe back after the break because I want
to hear a lot of details aboutthat, especially since I'm an adopted kid.
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Myself very interested in what you found, and hopefully I've got my breaks
down. I think I might havethem a little early. They've cut us
back from fifteen minutes a segment tothirteen minutes a segment, and I've set
them at thirteen minutes. But itseems like we've got alrighty, welcome back
to Healthy Alternatives. I'm going toafter this last break, I'm gonna try
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to do better. Instead of gettingbetter each show, I'm getting worse at
the breaks for the breaks, Somy apologies for that. But Ben,
this is really really interesting because havingbeen adopted myself, having been diagnosed with
a disease that they asked is itin your case? Isn't in your family
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history? And I had to say, I don't know. This was really
interesting, So you you did theancestry dot com type thing to tell Yeah,
I did. I did the ancestrydot com UH DNA test. Had
some matches of like third cousins.UH. The place that I was adopted
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out of had a private Facebook groupand I had joined that and they assigned
what they call a search angel tohelp me trace down and track down my
my roots. They did. Theyfound it through both records and DNA confirmed,
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and I I learned that my biologicalfather I contacted uh connections to both.
I kind of found out that mybiological father had died four years prior,
but that my biological mother was stillalive. So I followed their recommendations
and made contact with her. Oneof the first one of the first questions
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she asked, is do you havedaughters? And I said, yes,
I do, And she said,well, I need to let you know,
but I can't remember exactly, butI think she said, like six
of my first cousin women had breastcancer and I have had breast cancer.
And I said, well, Isaid, that's actually what motivated me to
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to do the search. I hada great adoption experience, so I wasn't
overly curious other than to help mykids out. From a medical standpoint,
I wanted to know, is therea history of of you know, tumors
and cancer and breast cancer, andwhat is the medical history? And I
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got it and turned out that ironically, a few years after that, three
years ago, my youngest daughter wasdoing a self exam. She was thirty
six at the time, and shenoticed a lump was concerned, went in
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and got it tested and was diagnosedwith breast cancer. And boy, that
was traumatic enough because she was atthe time pregnant with their third child,
and her husband is in the militaryand had just been sent out of state
for a six to nine months trainingand was not in was not here,
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was not with her, able tobe with her. She had two other
kids that were under five. Wow. So we rallied to help her out,
commuted back and forth to Colorado Springsfrom Dallas. At the time,
the family members did. My oldestdaughter and I took the lion's share of
that and helped her out with theboys and took her to chemo. She
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had one form of chemo during thepregnancy. Immediately after the pregnancy she had
a total mestectomy, and then anotherround of chemo. They did get all
the cancer for her for her andshe's doing great. But during that whole
time, I've told her, Isaid, well, you can't take artem
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messen and because you're pregnant and I'mnot comfortable with they're not enough studies with
arte messin. And then I've beenable to find and while you're pregnant,
you just can't do that. Butwhen you get through with that and get
through. It's your chemo. I'mbuying you smart a Messen, and then
I want you to do it.She's wide open to it. She was
also open to alternative therapies because shehad grown up with me and I was
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doing alternative things, and I wasI was not private about what I believed.
Darda Messin then did. I'm conveensedtoday more than ever that Arda Messinn
is the reason I have still today, no tumors and no cancer anywhere in
my body. Now. We sheended up going finding an alternative, more
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holistic treatment place, and I wrotethe name of it down and I posted
these links. But here in Colorado. She found a place called try Life
Health and Fort Collins, and shewent to there and saw a guy,
a doctor, medical doctor named RogerBillichrit. They ended up doing a blood
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test and through a place called rgCC Laboratory in Greece, she took two
tests that I've never heard of.But one is called an onco trace test
and another is called an economics test. They don't do that to those tests
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in the States. They sent offto Greece her blood. It came back
with what cancer, what particular itemssupplements, vitamins, minerals, diet fights
the cancer. And she called mewhen she got the results back. So
they deal holistically with diet and exerciseand certain things. So she called me
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when she got back from the followup visit and she said, Dad,
you're not going to believe what this. One of these tests found worked to
prevent and kill cancer in my bodyand to prevent it because she was all
on prevention at that point. AndI said, well what and she said,
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they have prescribed our mess into mefrom Greece. Yeah, this is
from the blood as a result ofthe blood test that they did in Greece.
That heard the doctor and Fort Collinsat this clinic, h had her
own and then all of it wasthat plus diet. I simply did the
arte messinen on a six month protocolfor one month at a time. Every
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six months. She's on a differentprescription for it. She takes some of
it every every week, and it'sI think it's it's different. I'm continuing
to follow mine. But we wereboth very surprised that after all of these
years, there has been studied andthey are now at finding that arto messinin
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uh does have impact on cancer cells. Can you tell us more details about
the artem messimen. Yeah, well, I'll tell you that the artem and
then that I now use I'm doing. I found one that's a little bit
more potent. I had no reactions, but I'm I take Zazi brand artem
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Messen and plus Bioparine. When Ifirst started the Artemessen and protocol, it
cost about three hundred and fifty tofour hundred dollars for two bottles of one
hundred milligram tablets that would last mea month, and it was a little
bit hard to find sometimes. Todaythis brand that I take is available for
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twenty five dollars on Amazon a bottle. So yeah, my treatment every six
months cost me about fifty dollars outof pocket. And you know, I'm
I'm convinced now, having been throughthis with myself and more recently with my
daughter, that that big pharma doesn'tnecessary early want this information out and they
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would rather have the cancer. Thewhole cancer industry just keep flourishing because it
is very expensive to have cancer.You can speak freely about this on this
particular channel here and on this station, So that's why I'm here. We
can speak freely about what we haveexperienced and what we believe. And I
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agree with you one hundred and tenpercent. Yeah, they don't want the
information out and they don't want you. I believe they don't want you seeking
alternatives. I was fortunate with adoctor who was open to that and didn't
scare me to death. But Iwill tell you that my oldest daughter and
I were having a conversation this week, and she has several friends that have
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advanced stage cancer, and she hastold them my story has given them information
about art a mess and what Ido, and they're just not open to
it. If I what do youhave to lose? If you have cancer,
right and you've been given a deathsentence and your own chemo that is
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destroying your body and killing good andbad cells, what what do you have
to lose? And do you thinkthat I didn't have anything? People have?
You have to face death, andyou and I both face death,
and I don't know what do youthink about that? I mean, some
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people want to run from death.They want to run from it, they
want to postpone it, they don'twant to think about it. And then
sometimes like you and I, youlaying in a hospital bed talking to the
maker, just saying, Okay,if it's my time, it's my time.
I don't want to go. Butwe faced death. Do you think
maybe that's a lot of it orsome of it? I think I think
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yes I do. And I did, you know, I did get to
the point where I had to makea decision, Okay, do I want
to live or do I just wantto give up and go on and go
and be with Jesus and live happilyever after an even uh I want my
wife and my children helped to motivateme to have a desire to live a
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healthier lifestyle and be around for themespecially. They wanted me to be around,
uh for to walk them down theaisle, the girls, and to
be a part of their lives,you know, and they and they were
vocal about telling me that. SoI have I have a faith, I
know where I'm going. I'm notwhen it's all when it's all over and
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it's my time, but it wasn'tmy time and it and it still isn't
my time to go yet. Andso I'm making them trying to make the
most, trying to make the mostof it. I think, jan one
of the problems is just indoctrination bythe by Western medicine. I think to
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a degree, we've we've believed andbeen through all of that. But I
think we've learned some lessons to throughthe whole COVID experience in more recent years,
and people are opening up to beingmore I guess, to realize that
maybe there's more out there than justwhat the powers that be are telling us.
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You know, I saw a bigchange in after COVID as well.
I saw some people that completely boughtinto the fear, and then I saw
the exact opposite as well, assome people were going, wait a minute,
I don't think that this is turningout to be the way it should
be. It's not healthy and madechanges in society that have really put us
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backwards in time. And I thinkthat there are some people waking up because
of the COVID experience. But I'lltell you is something. Okay, now
my timer is saying we got thirtyseconds to break, so this one goes.
But I definitely want to talk aboutwhen we come back, and it'll
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be our last segments, and Iwant to talk a little bit about your
books and how your daughters are doing, and the other things that you're doing
for preventative medicine, preventative principles sothat you don't have to worry about the
cancer or anything else coming back.And I definitely want to talk about facing
the fear, which is something thatI think is pretty authentic. People do
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have to face the fear when they'regiven a diagnosis of a deadly disease,
but cancer has got to top that, I would assume. So when we
return, we're talking to Ben Coleman, who used to be a marketing executive
with NASDA companies and changed his lifestyle, started writing books in twenty thirteen,
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moved got away from the stress andthe pressure in his life, turned his
health around, and paid it forwardto help not only his daughters, but
he's helping other people as well.I've got an article written about two articles
actually written about you, and nowwe've got the show that we're going to
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archive, and so I'm telling you, I am so impressed was not only
your story but on how much itcan help others been this is just fantastic.
My timer has gone off and I'mstill talking, so we're just gonna
keep going here. Welcome back toour last segment with Ben Coleman. And
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oh man, this went fast.But again it was talking with a longtime
friend about an experience that he andhis family have had. That's something that
most people don't want to ever gothrough. And sometimes when people are faced
with this decision in their life,they don't quite take the road that you
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and I both took. And havingyour daughters have an experience with breast cancer
and your now your older daughter,her tumor was not malignant. Correct or
her sister correct, Yeah, shedid not have cancer. But she's like
a hawk, yeah, big time. Absolutely, And and I have a
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quite a few family members that justare that are doing the Arte mess that
much younger, don't have any historywith cancer, that are doing the Arte
messin and protocol that I do everysix months. I want to mention to
you that my daughter's oncologist, notthe clinic that she went to for holistic
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medicine, but her oncologist had hergo through genetic testing to find out more
about her cancer and she the testingwas done by a company called Invite.
This whole genetic thing is fascinating.When they found out that she had two
broken genes, they were very interestedin an older guide like me, and
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they asked if I would be willingto go through the genetic testing. I
said, well, anything for mydaughter, of course I would, because
they wanted to know the history.And so the testing I think was about
five or six thousand dollars they didfor me. They're trying to build their
database invite I think that's how yousaid. Anyway, I did the multi
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cancer panel and they encouraged all biologicalfamily to my daughter to do the same
thing to see if they had brokengenes as what they call them, or
genetic mutations. I ended up testingpositive for two broken genes, and people
want to know about it. It'sthe m IF broken gene's It is responsible
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for significantly increased rates of melanoma,kidney cancer, and renal cell carcinoma.
I also tested positive for another brokengene called PLB two, and that's responsible
for increased rates of pancreatic cancer andbreast cancer higher, much higher than the
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general population. That's a lot ofinformation. I've put it on my website,
ben Coleman books dot com. Bottomline with all of that, I
got one from my biological mother andone from my biological father. My biological
mother did test and she tested positivefor the breastcancer broken gene and my youngest
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daughter ended up getting both through me, and my other oldest daughter got none
of it. So the genetic thingis crazy. She has You know,
my wife got tested, she wasperfect, had no broken jeans. Lets
me know that all of the defectsin the family come through me. Anyway,
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I say all of that. Ishare all of this to say that
for me, what I've learned inthe last three I only did this genetic
test three years ago. For me, it underscores what I believe that with
all of these predispositions that I havefrom melanoma and pancreatic cancer and all of
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this, I think Arte Messen hasbeen much more important for me than I
previously realized. Because it is twentytwenty three. I have no cancer and
no tumors and they have not returned. And I do do a few other
I do do a few other things. I just wrote it down that I've
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learned over the years. For cancer, I take NAC, I take something
called q h p QQ, andthen I take another HERB called Ashlaganda,
and all of those I believe havehave some impact on cancer prevention based on
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my research. And again I putlinks there exactly what I'm taking, what
I'm doing, the protocol that I'mfollowing, and at my website Ben colemanbooks
dot com. Well, Ben,I think that this information is not only
life saving for people, but theseare supplements that do no harm, that
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they're actually natural. Other acs inthe wild are going to come into contact
with them and chew on them andbe exposed to them. So for as
much as we know, animals regularlyseek these out in the wild and eat
them for prevention for toxic toxic killthat they might have eaten, or berries
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for birds, or that they've beenexposed to human antigens and nigens. So,
you know, I think this isfantastic. Now, do you take
a multi vitamin or anything else oris this it? Uh? I know,
I do take a multi vitamin.I take a high potency multi vitamin
for men over fifty I take.I do do a vitamin C regimen with
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with immune immune support. So Itake. I take a handful of supplements
actually yeah, and half for youand half for years. Well you know
I have to, I mean eversince my diagnosis in nineteen ninety one,
shoote, I took over fifty supplementswhen I was curing myself from graves to
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ease um initially and now I've definitelybacked off to my to my selected ones,
but my favorite ones. But yeah, I pretty much have taken my
supplements since nineteen ninety one. Ithink we've figured out that they help.
I mean, they really do takestress off the body. The body doesn't
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have to work so hard. Wehave less colds and flu um. I
got COVID, which knocked me flaton my back for a week. Uh
did you get COVID? I didU and early on we didn't know what
it was. Same here and wegot it early on. I was as
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sick as I've ever been. Yeah, just horribly sick. It took me
six weeks to get over. ButI was fortunate that I I immediately went
to, Okay, what do Iwhat do I do? What what do
I take? So yeah, samething with me. I was taking everything
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homeopathic, herbs, you know,everything that I had in the in the
cabinet, and then I just sleptit off. I slept for five days
and then Yeah, the recovery wasa slow crawl up, but I think
our bodies were supported and of course, you know, we both came through
it just fine. None of mykids got it. Yeah, you know,
but well tell me, I wantto know if you're still going to
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the gym, if you're still workingout. You did relocate to a wonderful,
outdoorsy environment. We did. Weare when COVID hit. I guess
one of the benefits for us isthat for my family, my daughters and
my daughter and son in law,they could work anywhere and they both in
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lung with companies for a good longtime. And my oldest daughter had always
and youngest had always a dream ofbeing in the same city and raising their
kids together. And she they justdecided, Okay, we're moving to Colorado
Springs to be near one another.That's my and they said, hey,
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do y'all want to go, Andwe said we thought about it, and
said yep. So all six ofour grandchildren are within fifteen minutes of us.
We're in Klara Springs. Absolutely loveit. Never dreamed we would be
living in the mountains. Walk outthe back door up on the deck and
we have a view of Pike's Teakstill has snow on them, by the
way, and it's just it's justbeen. It's a wonderful life. We
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love all being in the same citydoing life together. My youngest daughter's cancer
helped us reset our priorities of whatis and what is most important. I
took a break from riding to beavailable to help with the grandkids, and
and then we moved and while thehouse was being finished, we lived up
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at up in the mountains at ninetyfour hundred feet for nine months and regroup
and it's just been great, it'sbeen wonderful. Well, tell me now,
when you moved back from San Franciscoto Dallas. How long was that
after your cancer and you moved backto Dallas and started a business of your
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own, right? Yeah? Ayear. I moved back to Dallas within
a year, and I knew thatI had to get out of the corporate
deal that I was doing. Itwas just it was too much. My
doctor had convinced me of that.So within the year I was, I
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left and went back to Dallas,started my own business, did that for
ten years, and then I startedwriting books books. After after you retired
from your second business. Yeah,after after I left that, after I
said okay, Well, my mymy bride of forty seven years actually told
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me, she said, you know, you're not getting me younger. You've
had this dream of writing for aslong as I can remember, why don't
you get on with it? Andso I said, well, okay,
So I hired a writing coach andand wrote my first novel, and im
I did that, and I'm givingit away for free download today for if
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you'll go to my website, you'llhave the link and it's a free download
for my very first one. Sometimesauthors read their first novel and it's cringeworthy,
but I'm letting you down. I'mgiving it away for five days as
a as a free download for peoplethat want to be entertained with romantic suspense
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with a little bit of fantasy involvedin It is strictly entertainment reading. It's
fiction. It's called The Thin Place. And you've got three in a series,
right, yeah, I have threein the series. I'm working.
I'm back to writing now. I'mworking on a Thin Places Dallas. They're
three in the series. I'm givingaway the very first one. It's called
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Thin Places Santa Fe. And allof everything I write about are places that
I've been, and there are alot of real places, but I've created
what I think are fun characters thatI almost have gotten to know, like
family and a lot of I've hadsome positive feedback that people enjoy the enjoy
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the adventure, and enjoy the escape. Well, well, i'll tell you
what. It's a lot of workwriting a book. And you've written this
three and then you've got a children'sbook too, right, I did.
What I did was yes, Ido have a children's book, but that
book is a compilation of text messagesthat I just did for fun. I
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published it. My wife and Idecided to keep our granddaughter so that she
did not need to go into daycarefor her first year. My wife had
my oldest daughter had to go backto work. So every every day in
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early afternoon, I would send atext update about mid afternoon and I called
it Madlin's mid midday Update. Hername is Madlin. Compiled all these crazy
text messages as if they were fromwritten by the baby to her parents and
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made it into a book. ThenI tell you something. I cannot tell
you how much I admire you andyour family. Your family supporting you as
she went through all of this,and then when it slipped you supporting your
family when your daughters were going throughall of this. You guys have come
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out of the fire stronger, closer, and much more a preventive of life,
I can tell, and I cannotthank you enough. We're about to
come to a close. I wantto make sure that everybody finds Ben at
Ben Coleman books dot com. Hehas his story, he has information about
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his books and the series, andhe's got the links that he can provide
you for what he has done tokeep his cancer from returning. And we
hope that his daughter's cancer never returnseither. So I thank you so much
for joining us today and next weekon Healthy Alternatives, we're going to be
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talking to author Kim Thompson. Shewrote the book I'm Into the Garden about
home gardening how you can take growyour own food in your home, at
your home and bring it into yourkitchen and cook it up for dinner.
This is doctor Janet Starhall. Pleasevisit me at my site Janethall dot com.
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Janet Hull. How do everybody?Welcome to another edition of Healthy Alternatives And
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today I have a very special guest. And when I say that, I
really mean it. He's a veryspecial guest to me because I have known
Ben Coleman since junior high school,which was just a few years ago.
Um Ben and and I have followedone another through social media over over the
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years, and when he posted upan article talking about his cancer recovery and
about a Chinese supplement that I nevercan pronounce correctly. I've had too much
Latin. I think arta Messenen.I hope I said that, right,
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Ben. I immediately contacted him becauseof what I do with alternative medicine and
alternative supplements that most people don't knowabout. I was not only intrigued with
his wonderful story, but having knownbeen for so long, absolutely in awe
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and admiration over what he's done.So he's been so gracious to come onto
my show today. So we're gonnabe talking like old friends. But he's
got a story to tell you thatwill just blow your socks off. Welcome
Ben Coleman, Hi Jan, thankyou for having me. Your story is
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phenomenal because your story is one ofstrength, and it's one of faith,
and it's a story that you wisheveryone would just try when they've been diagnosed
with a disease. But it's notthat easy, and I've been through it
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myself, but nothing compared with thediagnosis of cancer, and so I really
really want you to just take yourtime. We've got plenty of time to
talk about the good, bad andthe ugly of the details about what you
went through. And this was howmany years ago, in two thousand and
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one, and I'll I'll tell youwhat happened. I was our kids were
all in school in Dallas and older. We didn't want to move them.
I had a wonderful career job opportunityout on the West coast in the Bay
Area, and so we kept ourhome in Dallas and got a place in
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San franci Usco. And I commutedback and forth every week or every other
week to be with the family backin Dallas. I was by myself on
a March morning in two thousand andone. I got up. I'm not
really a morning person, never havebeen. So I got up, went
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through the normal routine of getting readyto go to work, and was shaving
and noticed that there was a numbnesson my face, and I thought,
gosh, this is so strange.I had a small bump up in my
head and my face seemed numb andsagging a little bit on my right side.
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A thought, well, that's strange. But I went about the routine,
got ready, got on into theoffice and my assistant looked at me
and instead of a happy, normalgreeting, she said, you just look
awful, and I thank you.I don't feel so good. Something I
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don't feel so good. Something's alittle off. I kept. As the
morning went on, I felt worseand worse and called my art and wife
back in Dallas and told her whatwas going on. And she said,
you need to go to the emergencyroom right now. And that's what I
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did. So I drove myself intothe emergency room and described all of the
symptoms. Waited like you do sooften in emergency rooms. It seemed like
for hours, and they finally sawme started running tests. Definitely, you
have some form of paralysis. Wedon't know what's causing it. Tests over
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the next few weeks I ended upresulting in that I had a tumor was
growing into my skull blocking the nerveson the right side of my face and
that's why I had the numbers.So got a surgeon and I asked,
In fact, I asked the emergencyroom doctor. I said, hey,
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I've never I don't have any connectionsout here in the city to mute back
and forth. What would you doif this were your family? If I
were your family member, if Iwere your son, or your daughter or
your husband, what would you do? And she said, well I would.
I would obviously get a surgeon andget it removed and see what see
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where that goes. And I said, well, who would you recommend if
it were you? She said,well, the person that I would recommend
is out of your network, andI don't care about that. Who is
the best? She said, well, he's full And I said, oh
great, And I said, wouldyou make a call for me, call
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him and tell him that you havesomeone that that really needs to see you.
And she did. She wrote hisname down, she called him.
I was in to see him thenext day. And in May of two
thousand and one, I had surgery. They removed the tumor. It had
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not metastasized, which they didn't knowuntil they got in, but it had
grown deeply into my skull, andso they did get it out and I
ended up the worst part about thewhole thing, it wasn't really that painful.
The worst thing about it were thehorrible drainage tubes. If anybody's had
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surgery with drainage tubes. You knowexactly what I'm talking about. A few
weeks later, the tubes were removed. I was in a follow up visit
with my surgeon who referred me toI had an oncologist by then he had
referred me to the person that heloved and respected as an I'm the collegist,
and in seeing her, they deliveredthe news that they got it all.
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They are convinced based on testing thatthey did around the tumor and all
in the tissue that it was localized, had not spread anywhere else. But
they said I had a sixty sevenpercent chance of having one or more multiple
tumors within the first year, andand that if it metastasized, if they
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didn't catch it early my five year, my five year life expectancy plan was
not too great. So I startedevery three months I would go back to
my oncologists and and for for fiveyears, every three months, even when
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I moved back to that and leftthat position, I flew back to San
Francisco and my own Nickel insurance wouldnot cover it, and did the test.
I went through a series of bloodtests and other types of tests to
see if cancer had returned. Sothat's how That's how it all began for
me when I heard the when Iheard jan the prognosis that I was there
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was, you know, a twoand three chance that I was going to
have yet another tumor somewhere else inmy body. I thought, gosh,
what else can I do? Yeah, and their their hope to me was,
well, you just early detection andyou just try to catch it quickly,
and then did they do the traditionalchemotherapy and radiation. Did not have
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to have radiation and did not haveto have chemo. They had talked about
while I was in surgery doing thetesting, and we had talked about putting
what they called pellets into my headthat they did not. They the testing
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reveal that they did not have todo that, that it was so localized
and had and had not spread,and you know it was They actually told
me it was two type of tumorsin one. I don't have it written
down, so I don't know whichwhat they were. Uh. I was
off work for about three weeks,got back into work three weeks. Had
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that was about it? Yeah,I uh, I felt a lot better,
not one hundred percent, but Ifelt a lot better. The numbness
began to slowly go away. AndI was describing to one of the members
of my sales team. I manageda large sales team out throughout the Bay
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Area. And I was describing toone of the members of my sales team
and he said, well, youknow, Daniel is from China and he
was trained as a Chinese doctor.And I said, well, no,
I didn't know that. And hesaid, well, I'm going to tell
him what's going on with you?And I said, well, sure,
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I don't I don't mind. Afew days later, Daniel came into my
office and we got to talking andI described what had happened and what was
going on the all. I've beenout and been sick and had some problems.
And he looked at me and hesaid, he told me his history
of being trained in China, andand he looked at me and he said,
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are you open to trying some Chineseremedies that we've been using for thousands
of years? Wow said, well, of course I'm open. I said,
you know, what do I have? What do I have to lose?
Because here I'm I'm most likely goingto have a not at least one
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more tumor within a year, andmaybe who knows what else I'm open.
We're about ready to take a breakhere. We got about a minute left,
and so what I want to dowhen we get back. I want
to hear the details about your Chinesethe Chinese doctor, and what he recommended
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to you, and what your thoughtswere when you were approached with this alternative,
because when he asked if you wereopen, I don't think a lot
of people would be, so,you know, I think what you did
was extremely brave and courageous. We'retalking with Ben Coleman, who is an
author, which we will get intothat as well after the first or the
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second segment is over, and yourstory about having a cancerous tumor removed from
your brain and how you have recoveredfrom this, because that was in two
thousand and one, so we aretalking a long time ago. That's the
best way to put it. Sowe will return after the break, and
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I hope I have the timing downgood. They've changed the timing on us,
and I might be a little earlyhere. Oops, I get the
breaks. Still don't have the breaksdown right, but we will talk about
this when we come back, andhopefully I've got my break timing down.
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Welcome back to healthy alternatives with mygood friend, my longtime friend and author
Ben Coleman, before the break whichI grossly butchered, we were talking about
a challenge. I guess I wouldconsider it maybe a life challenge. Ben,
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when you've had a malignant tumor removedand you've been told that it's going
to return in as early as ayear. My guests would be that when
someone comes up to you and asksyou if you are open for alternatives,
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that would to me be a verychallenging question. But it seemed like you
took it. You took it andran with it. So tell us about
the doctor that was working at youroffice at that time. Well, he
had been trained in China. Hisfamily had immigrated for political reasons, and
he was unable to practice medicine.He did not have a proper credentials in
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the US to do that. Sohe was working in my salesforce and he
came to my office and he said, here in China we have been treating
tumors and cancer for thousands of years. And he named the name, and
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it was art a Messmin And Ithought, well, I've never I have
no, I never heard of it. And in fact, I had never
done anything in any type of alternativecare or treatment. So I told him,
I said, hey, let metalk to my oncologists about it.
And I don't feel like I haveanything to lose, but let me talk
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to her. So I did.She had no problems with me trying alternative
therapies. I don't know if that'sa West Coast thing or her whatever,
but she had no problems with that. Provided and she said, provided you
continue to come to your quarterly testings, providing you continue your traditional treatments.
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And I said, well, okay. So Daniel told me, he said,
here's what you need to do.You need to get I'm going to
find it for you here in theStates. And he found a particular Artu
messanin that had the potency that hethought that he thought I needed. He
said, okay, this stuff canbe toxic. So what you do is
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one month you're going to be onthis protocol and you take it's hundred milligram
capsules of art A messanin. Youtake two three times a day for one
month, and that's it. Witha full glass of water first thing in
the morning, last, you know, before a meal, for about half
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an hour and you do that forone solid month, and he said,
within twenty four to forty eight hoursof your first ghost, if you have
any cancer cells in your body,they will be they will be dead.
Well to me, that was itwas just not very believable. But again
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I thought, well, that's notanything like the traditional therapy that take you
know, take two capsules three timesa day and it's going to kill the
cancer. I thought, yeah,okay, well I'll give it a shot.
So I started. I started theprotocol that he recommended with just arto
messanin, and I had no sideeffects, no reactions whatsoever. Then I
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was not able to really do anyresearch on arte mess And then I didn't
know of anything being written about itor anything like that. Since I have
learned that the World Health Organization usesArto messanin to treat malaria in Africa and
so, and since there had beensome cancer studies with arto messanum. But
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I did that, and then inmy next follow up with my oncologist,
she said she looked at me andsaid, you know, we've got the
tumor and we're going to monitor that, but you are not healthy, you
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are overweight, you don't you havehorrible sleep habits. You're out of shape,
and she was right. I wasa hundred pounds overweight. I was
I could barely walk up an inclinewithout getting winded. And she sat She
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sat me down, and by thispoint we had become somewhat friends. We
had actually run into each other ata San Francisco has these wonderful art galleries
and wine tastings. When they openedit bring in someone new, and she
and I just happened to run intoeach other at one of those events,
both of us invited and struck itup. She called me in and set
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me down on the on the tableand she said, Ben, she said,
you are very sick. You're unhealthy. You lead an unhealthy lifestyle.
It's you've got to lose the weight. You've got to get rid of stress
in your life, and you've gotto start getting back in shape, or
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else you're going to have a stroke. That didn't mean up. Yep,
blood pressure was off the charts.So I started taking the traditional medicine for
that, and yeah, yeah,I started taking uh those Licenti reals.
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She told me I'd be on itfor the rest of my life. But
that didn't turn out to be true. I I she told what she did
was painted a picture for me thatreally was was horrible. I said,
so what does it mean what thisstroke? She says, you're a very
high stroke risk and if you don'tlose weight. She said, we can't
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ever tell about strokes of where thatwhat they're going to lead to. But
she said, I just want youto get a visual in your mind of
you being paralyzed in a hospital bedwith somebody changing your diaper. And I
said, oh, that's how that'sAnd I couldn't get that out of my
mind. And so that motivated meto start on a program to lose the
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weight, eat differently and get ridof stress. And she made some recommendations
to me on the stress thing,and so I started. I started a
diet, I started an exercise regiment, and I remember I did a stationary
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bike. I was so overweight whenI first started. It was so discouraging
because I could go two minutes andthat was about it. I was in
that bad of shape, and twominutes got to be three, got to
be higher and higher. I switchedto an elliptical and started doing an elliptical
and got to where I could doan elliptical for an hour. Heart great.
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Yeah. I joined a gym anddid and did the elliptical thing five
days a week. And then Istarted weight training and I lost all combined,
I lost a hundred pounds over aboutnine months. Wow. Wow wow.
And this was still in San Francisco, right, Yeah, I was
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still in San Francisco, and partof the stress issue was my high pressure
corporate job. And she finally toldme, she said, Okay, you're
doing everything. Great. We hadbeen able to as I lost the weight
and got in shape, I wasable to reduce the license April and eventually
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cut it out completely, which youknow, baffled my doctor. She said,
yeah, I've just never had thishappen, and I find okay.
But I started following what she recommended, and on a I had problems getting
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into the meditation thing. I guesssome of us type A people don't sit
still for very long very well andget in doing that. So she recommended
something that she had heard of calledHolosinc, which is a binaural put the
earbuds in your ear or the headphonesin your ear, and it does brain
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wave adjustments because it sends different frequenciesinto each ear and it gets you into
a meditative state pretty quickly. SoI didn't. It's called Holosinc. And
I started that, and it is. Uh it's Holosinc dot com, I
believe. And I put the linksof everything we're talking about jen on my
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website. I've made a post andso if people want to find out more,
they can go to the website andclick click on the links, which
ISOs dot com. Right, BenHolman, that's it. And I did
that. I started doing that anhour a day, became addicted to it.
Really, it was hard to believethat I could find an hour and
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the day to do that and towork out. So getting healthy took time.
And then I you know, ofcourse, I went quarterly for my
check up and a year hit andno cancer, no tumor. Two years
hit, no cancer, no tumor. I had left the job and was
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retired from the industry that I've beenin for twenty five years, and did
some consulting work, started my owninternet marketing business with just me. I
had been a a front of theroom person with salespeople, training salespeople literally
all over the world for for yearsand uh right I did uh we uh
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a Nasdaq one hundred company internationals,so I'm a million mile or on two
different airlines. That's how much Itraveled. There were some some some years
I ended up in hotel rooms somewhereon the planet for three hundred nights a
year. So it was just ahigh stress, go go go, and
that's part of what led me tobe unhealthy. But then the stress of
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a meeting, a quarterly we tookthe company public meeting, quarterly budgets,
revenue goals, all of that takesa toll and uh no kidding, and
that's yeah, and it did forme. I was I was stat and
sick and burned out, and finallythe stress I just knew that I had
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to leave and do something else.I've left San Francisco, went back to
Dallas to home, continued to getto get healthy and and went hit.
Eventually kept going back to San Franciscoand ended up five years and no tumor
and no cancer. My on colleaguejust said, Okay, we're going to
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annual visits. You've made it fiveyears and we'll do an annual visit.
I did my art of messenin protocolreligiously every six months. I mean,
I literally plugged it into my calendarand started it and did it for a
month every every six months. Andyou still do, correct, you still
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do? Oh? Yeah, absolutelystill do. And there are a number
of reasons for that. The Iwas, I was an adopted kid,
and as I had children, yep, as I had children and my girls
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grew up, one of them hadan issue with olympectomy at a at a
rather young age, had to havethat removed. It was not malignant or
anything, but as they would goto their obigan constantly, their medical history
would be inquired about. They wantedto know, do you have a history
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of breast cancer or any type ofcancer in your family? I didn't know,
right, so I didn't know.They kept pressing me on it.
The girls did, and I said, well, maybe I should just find
out my roots. Took the ancestrytest, I guess not seven years ago
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now ended up with the ancestry testfinding my biological Wow. Ben, I'm
getting ready to take another break.If I have this downright, We've got
the minutes back, so hopefully we'llbe back after the break because I want
to hear a lot of details aboutthat, especially since I'm an adopted kid.
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Myself very interested in what you found, and hopefully I've got my breaks
down. I think I might havethem a little early. They've cut us
back from fifteen minutes a segment tothirteen minutes a segment, and I've set
them at thirteen minutes. But itseems like we've got alrighty, welcome back
to Healthy Alternatives. I'm going toafter this last break, I'm gonna try
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to do better. Instead of gettingbetter each show, I'm getting worse at
the breaks for the breaks, Somy apologies for that. But Ben,
this is really really interesting because havingbeen adopted myself, having been diagnosed with
a disease that they asked is itin your case? Isn't in your family
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history? And I had to say, I don't know. This was really
interesting, So you you did theancestry dot com type thing to tell Yeah,
I did. I did the ancestrydot com UH DNA test. Had
some matches of like third cousins.UH. The place that I was adopted
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out of had a private Facebook groupand I had joined that and they assigned
what they call a search angel tohelp me trace down and track down my
my roots. They did. Theyfound it through both records and DNA confirmed,
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and I I learned that my biologicalfather I contacted uh connections to both.
I kind of found out that mybiological father had died four years prior,
but that my biological mother was stillalive. So I followed their recommendations
and made contact with her. Oneof the first one of the first questions
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she asked, is do you havedaughters? And I said, yes,
I do, And she said,well, I need to let you know,
but I can't remember exactly, butI think she said, like six
of my first cousin women had breastcancer and I have had breast cancer.
And I said, well, Isaid, that's actually what motivated me to
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to do the search. I hada great adoption experience, so I wasn't
overly curious other than to help mykids out. From a medical standpoint,
I wanted to know, is therea history of of you know, tumors
and cancer and breast cancer, andwhat is the medical history? And I
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got it and turned out that ironically, a few years after that, three
years ago, my youngest daughter wasdoing a self exam. She was thirty
six at the time, and shenoticed a lump was concerned, went in
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and got it tested and was diagnosedwith breast cancer. And boy, that
was traumatic enough because she was atthe time pregnant with their third child,
and her husband is in the militaryand had just been sent out of state
for a six to nine months trainingand was not in was not here,
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was not with her, able tobe with her. She had two other
kids that were under five. Wow. So we rallied to help her out,
commuted back and forth to Colorado Springsfrom Dallas. At the time,
the family members did. My oldestdaughter and I took the lion's share of
that and helped her out with theboys and took her to chemo. She
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had one form of chemo during thepregnancy. Immediately after the pregnancy she had
a total mestectomy, and then anotherround of chemo. They did get all
the cancer for her for her andshe's doing great. But during that whole
time, I've told her, Isaid, well, you can't take artem
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messen and because you're pregnant and I'mnot comfortable with they're not enough studies with
arte messin. And then I've beenable to find and while you're pregnant,
you just can't do that. Butwhen you get through with that and get
through. It's your chemo. I'mbuying you smart a Messen, and then
I want you to do it.She's wide open to it. She was
also open to alternative therapies because shehad grown up with me and I was
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doing alternative things, and I wasI was not private about what I believed.
Darda Messin then did. I'm conveensedtoday more than ever that Arda Messinn
is the reason I have still today, no tumors and no cancer anywhere in
my body. Now. We sheended up going finding an alternative, more
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holistic treatment place, and I wrotethe name of it down and I posted
these links. But here in Colorado. She found a place called try Life
Health and Fort Collins, and shewent to there and saw a guy,
a doctor, medical doctor named RogerBillichrit. They ended up doing a blood
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test and through a place called rgCC Laboratory in Greece, she took two
tests that I've never heard of.But one is called an onco trace test
and another is called an economics test. They don't do that to those tests
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in the States. They sent offto Greece her blood. It came back
with what cancer, what particular itemssupplements, vitamins, minerals, diet fights
the cancer. And she called mewhen she got the results back. So
they deal holistically with diet and exerciseand certain things. So she called me
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when she got back from the followup visit and she said, Dad,
you're not going to believe what this. One of these tests found worked to
prevent and kill cancer in my bodyand to prevent it because she was all
on prevention at that point. AndI said, well what and she said,
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they have prescribed our mess into mefrom Greece. Yeah, this is
from the blood as a result ofthe blood test that they did in Greece.
That heard the doctor and Fort Collinsat this clinic, h had her
own and then all of it wasthat plus diet. I simply did the
arte messinen on a six month protocolfor one month at a time. Every
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six months. She's on a differentprescription for it. She takes some of
it every every week, and it'sI think it's it's different. I'm continuing
to follow mine. But we wereboth very surprised that after all of these
years, there has been studied andthey are now at finding that arto messinin
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uh does have impact on cancer cells. Can you tell us more details about
the artem messimen. Yeah, well, I'll tell you that the artem and
then that I now use I'm doing. I found one that's a little bit
more potent. I had no reactions, but I'm I take Zazi brand artem
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Messen and plus Bioparine. When Ifirst started the Artemessen and protocol, it
cost about three hundred and fifty tofour hundred dollars for two bottles of one
hundred milligram tablets that would last mea month, and it was a little
bit hard to find sometimes. Todaythis brand that I take is available for
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twenty five dollars on Amazon a bottle. So yeah, my treatment every six
months cost me about fifty dollars outof pocket. And you know, I'm
I'm convinced now, having been throughthis with myself and more recently with my
daughter, that that big pharma doesn'tnecessary early want this information out and they
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would rather have the cancer. Thewhole cancer industry just keep flourishing because it
is very expensive to have cancer.You can speak freely about this on this
particular channel here and on this station, So that's why I'm here. We
can speak freely about what we haveexperienced and what we believe. And I
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agree with you one hundred and tenpercent. Yeah, they don't want the
information out and they don't want you. I believe they don't want you seeking
alternatives. I was fortunate with adoctor who was open to that and didn't
scare me to death. But Iwill tell you that my oldest daughter and
I were having a conversation this week, and she has several friends that have
(36:47):
advanced stage cancer, and she hastold them my story has given them information
about art a mess and what Ido, and they're just not open to
it. If I what do youhave to lose? If you have cancer,
right and you've been given a deathsentence and your own chemo that is
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destroying your body and killing good andbad cells, what what do you have
to lose? And do you thinkthat I didn't have anything? People have?
You have to face death, andyou and I both face death,
and I don't know what do youthink about that? I mean, some
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people want to run from death.They want to run from it, they
want to postpone it, they don'twant to think about it. And then
sometimes like you and I, youlaying in a hospital bed talking to the
maker, just saying, Okay,if it's my time, it's my time.
I don't want to go. Butwe faced death. Do you think
maybe that's a lot of it orsome of it? I think I think
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yes I do. And I did, you know, I did get to
the point where I had to makea decision, Okay, do I want
to live or do I just wantto give up and go on and go
and be with Jesus and live happilyever after an even uh I want my
wife and my children helped to motivateme to have a desire to live a
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healthier lifestyle and be around for themespecially. They wanted me to be around,
uh for to walk them down theaisle, the girls, and to
be a part of their lives,you know, and they and they were
vocal about telling me that. SoI have I have a faith, I
know where I'm going. I'm notwhen it's all when it's all over and
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it's my time, but it wasn'tmy time and it and it still isn't
my time to go yet. Andso I'm making them trying to make the
most, trying to make the mostof it. I think, jan one
of the problems is just indoctrination bythe by Western medicine. I think to
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a degree, we've we've believed andbeen through all of that. But I
think we've learned some lessons to throughthe whole COVID experience in more recent years,
and people are opening up to beingmore I guess, to realize that
maybe there's more out there than justwhat the powers that be are telling us.
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You know, I saw a bigchange in after COVID as well.
I saw some people that completely boughtinto the fear, and then I saw
the exact opposite as well, assome people were going, wait a minute,
I don't think that this is turningout to be the way it should
be. It's not healthy and madechanges in society that have really put us
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backwards in time. And I thinkthat there are some people waking up because
of the COVID experience. But I'lltell you is something. Okay, now
my timer is saying we got thirtyseconds to break, so this one goes.
But I definitely want to talk aboutwhen we come back, and it'll
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be our last segments, and Iwant to talk a little bit about your
books and how your daughters are doing, and the other things that you're doing
for preventative medicine, preventative principles sothat you don't have to worry about the
cancer or anything else coming back.And I definitely want to talk about facing
the fear, which is something thatI think is pretty authentic. People do
(40:39):
have to face the fear when they'regiven a diagnosis of a deadly disease,
but cancer has got to top that, I would assume. So when we
return, we're talking to Ben Coleman, who used to be a marketing executive
with NASDA companies and changed his lifestyle, started writing books in twenty thirteen,
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moved got away from the stress andthe pressure in his life, turned his
health around, and paid it forwardto help not only his daughters, but
he's helping other people as well.I've got an article written about two articles
actually written about you, and nowwe've got the show that we're going to
(41:30):
archive, and so I'm telling you, I am so impressed was not only
your story but on how much itcan help others been this is just fantastic.
My timer has gone off and I'mstill talking, so we're just gonna
keep going here. Welcome back toour last segment with Ben Coleman. And
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oh man, this went fast.But again it was talking with a longtime
friend about an experience that he andhis family have had. That's something that
most people don't want to ever gothrough. And sometimes when people are faced
with this decision in their life,they don't quite take the road that you
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and I both took. And havingyour daughters have an experience with breast cancer
and your now your older daughter,her tumor was not malignant. Correct or
her sister correct, Yeah, shedid not have cancer. But she's like
a hawk, yeah, big time. Absolutely, And and I have a
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quite a few family members that justare that are doing the Arte mess that
much younger, don't have any historywith cancer, that are doing the Arte
messin and protocol that I do everysix months. I want to mention to
you that my daughter's oncologist, notthe clinic that she went to for holistic
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medicine, but her oncologist had hergo through genetic testing to find out more
about her cancer and she the testingwas done by a company called Invite.
This whole genetic thing is fascinating.When they found out that she had two
broken genes, they were very interestedin an older guide like me, and
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they asked if I would be willingto go through the genetic testing. I
said, well, anything for mydaughter, of course I would, because
they wanted to know the history.And so the testing I think was about
five or six thousand dollars they didfor me. They're trying to build their
database invite I think that's how yousaid. Anyway, I did the multi
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cancer panel and they encouraged all biologicalfamily to my daughter to do the same
thing to see if they had brokengenes as what they call them, or
genetic mutations. I ended up testingpositive for two broken genes, and people
want to know about it. It'sthe m IF broken gene's It is responsible
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for significantly increased rates of melanoma,kidney cancer, and renal cell carcinoma.
I also tested positive for another brokengene called PLB two, and that's responsible
for increased rates of pancreatic cancer andbreast cancer higher, much higher than the
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general population. That's a lot ofinformation. I've put it on my website,
ben Coleman books dot com. Bottomline with all of that, I
got one from my biological mother andone from my biological father. My biological
mother did test and she tested positivefor the breastcancer broken gene and my youngest
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daughter ended up getting both through me, and my other oldest daughter got none
of it. So the genetic thingis crazy. She has You know,
my wife got tested, she wasperfect, had no broken jeans. Lets
me know that all of the defectsin the family come through me. Anyway,
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I say all of that. Ishare all of this to say that
for me, what I've learned inthe last three I only did this genetic
test three years ago. For me, it underscores what I believe that with
all of these predispositions that I havefrom melanoma and pancreatic cancer and all of
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this, I think Arte Messen hasbeen much more important for me than I
previously realized. Because it is twentytwenty three. I have no cancer and
no tumors and they have not returned. And I do do a few other
I do do a few other things. I just wrote it down that I've
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learned over the years. For cancer, I take NAC, I take something
called q h p QQ, andthen I take another HERB called Ashlaganda,
and all of those I believe havehave some impact on cancer prevention based on
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my research. And again I putlinks there exactly what I'm taking, what
I'm doing, the protocol that I'mfollowing, and at my website Ben colemanbooks
dot com. Well, Ben,I think that this information is not only
life saving for people, but theseare supplements that do no harm, that
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they're actually natural. Other acs inthe wild are going to come into contact
with them and chew on them andbe exposed to them. So for as
much as we know, animals regularlyseek these out in the wild and eat
them for prevention for toxic toxic killthat they might have eaten, or berries
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for birds, or that they've beenexposed to human antigens and nigens. So,
you know, I think this isfantastic. Now, do you take
a multi vitamin or anything else oris this it? Uh? I know,
I do take a multi vitamin.I take a high potency multi vitamin
for men over fifty I take.I do do a vitamin C regimen with
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with immune immune support. So Itake. I take a handful of supplements
actually yeah, and half for youand half for years. Well you know
I have to, I mean eversince my diagnosis in nineteen ninety one,
shoote, I took over fifty supplementswhen I was curing myself from graves to
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ease um initially and now I've definitelybacked off to my to my selected ones,
but my favorite ones. But yeah, I pretty much have taken my
supplements since nineteen ninety one. Ithink we've figured out that they help.
I mean, they really do takestress off the body. The body doesn't
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have to work so hard. Wehave less colds and flu um. I
got COVID, which knocked me flaton my back for a week. Uh
did you get COVID? I didU and early on we didn't know what
it was. Same here and wegot it early on. I was as
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sick as I've ever been. Yeah, just horribly sick. It took me
six weeks to get over. ButI was fortunate that I I immediately went
to, Okay, what do Iwhat do I do? What what do
I take? So yeah, samething with me. I was taking everything
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homeopathic, herbs, you know,everything that I had in the in the
cabinet, and then I just sleptit off. I slept for five days
and then Yeah, the recovery wasa slow crawl up, but I think
our bodies were supported and of course, you know, we both came through
it just fine. None of mykids got it. Yeah, you know,
but well tell me, I wantto know if you're still going to
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the gym, if you're still workingout. You did relocate to a wonderful,
outdoorsy environment. We did. Weare when COVID hit. I guess
one of the benefits for us isthat for my family, my daughters and
my daughter and son in law,they could work anywhere and they both in
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lung with companies for a good longtime. And my oldest daughter had always
and youngest had always a dream ofbeing in the same city and raising their
kids together. And she they justdecided, Okay, we're moving to Colorado
Springs to be near one another.That's my and they said, hey,
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do y'all want to go, Andwe said we thought about it, and
said yep. So all six ofour grandchildren are within fifteen minutes of us.
We're in Klara Springs. Absolutely loveit. Never dreamed we would be
living in the mountains. Walk outthe back door up on the deck and
we have a view of Pike's Teakstill has snow on them, by the
way, and it's just it's justbeen. It's a wonderful life. We
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love all being in the same citydoing life together. My youngest daughter's cancer
helped us reset our priorities of whatis and what is most important. I
took a break from riding to beavailable to help with the grandkids, and
and then we moved and while thehouse was being finished, we lived up
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at up in the mountains at ninetyfour hundred feet for nine months and regroup
and it's just been great, it'sbeen wonderful. Well, tell me now,
when you moved back from San Franciscoto Dallas. How long was that
after your cancer and you moved backto Dallas and started a business of your
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own, right? Yeah? Ayear. I moved back to Dallas within
a year, and I knew thatI had to get out of the corporate
deal that I was doing. Itwas just it was too much. My
doctor had convinced me of that.So within the year I was, I
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left and went back to Dallas,started my own business, did that for
ten years, and then I startedwriting books books. After after you retired
from your second business. Yeah,after after I left that, after I
said okay, Well, my mymy bride of forty seven years actually told
(52:07):
me, she said, you know, you're not getting me younger. You've
had this dream of writing for aslong as I can remember, why don't
you get on with it? Andso I said, well, okay,
So I hired a writing coach andand wrote my first novel, and im
I did that, and I'm givingit away for free download today for if
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you'll go to my website, you'llhave the link and it's a free download
for my very first one. Sometimesauthors read their first novel and it's cringeworthy,
but I'm letting you down. I'mgiving it away for five days as
a as a free download for peoplethat want to be entertained with romantic suspense
(52:50):
with a little bit of fantasy involvedin It is strictly entertainment reading. It's
fiction. It's called The Thin Place. And you've got three in a series,
right, yeah, I have threein the series. I'm working.
I'm back to writing now. I'mworking on a Thin Places Dallas. They're
three in the series. I'm givingaway the very first one. It's called
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Thin Places Santa Fe. And allof everything I write about are places that
I've been, and there are alot of real places, but I've created
what I think are fun characters thatI almost have gotten to know, like
family and a lot of I've hadsome positive feedback that people enjoy the enjoy
(53:30):
the adventure, and enjoy the escape. Well, well, i'll tell you
what. It's a lot of workwriting a book. And you've written this
three and then you've got a children'sbook too, right, I did.
What I did was yes, Ido have a children's book, but that
book is a compilation of text messagesthat I just did for fun. I
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published it. My wife and Idecided to keep our granddaughter so that she
did not need to go into daycarefor her first year. My wife had
my oldest daughter had to go backto work. So every every day in
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early afternoon, I would send atext update about mid afternoon and I called
it Madlin's mid midday Update. Hername is Madlin. Compiled all these crazy
text messages as if they were fromwritten by the baby to her parents and
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made it into a book. ThenI tell you something. I cannot tell
you how much I admire you andyour family. Your family supporting you as
she went through all of this,and then when it slipped you supporting your
family when your daughters were going throughall of this. You guys have come
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out of the fire stronger, closer, and much more a preventive of life,
I can tell, and I cannotthank you enough. We're about to
come to a close. I wantto make sure that everybody finds Ben at
Ben Coleman books dot com. Hehas his story, he has information about
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his books and the series, andhe's got the links that he can provide
you for what he has done tokeep his cancer from returning. And we
hope that his daughter's cancer never returnseither. So I thank you so much
for joining us today and next weekon Healthy Alternatives, we're going to be
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talking to author Kim Thompson. Shewrote the book I'm Into the Garden about
home gardening how you can take growyour own food in your home, at
your home and bring it into yourkitchen and cook it up for dinner.
This is doctor Janet Starhall. Pleasevisit me at my site Janethall dot com.
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And we appreciate you joining us todayfor Healthy Alternatives and we look forward
to seeing you next week. Thankyou so much
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The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.