October 28, 2025 • 28 mins
Ellen Kamhi talks with Dr. Lisa Cooney, a trauma therapist, intuitive healer, and the creator of the ROAR® Method, a transformative approach to healing. With over 25 years of experience, Dr. Lisa specializes in helping individuals overcome trauma, PTSD, and disconnection through a blend of psychotherapy, energy work, and spiritual guidance. In her new book, The Body Of Change, Dr. Lisa Cooney explores how reconnecting with our bodies can unlock our highest potential.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to urbally Yours and I venture into the world
of natural medicine. Here's your host, doctor Ellenkamai, the natural
nurse who will help you take the leap to ultimate
wellness and greetings.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Thank you so much for joining me, Ellencami, the natural Nurse,
for another edition of erbally Yours right here on the
Voice of Nassau Community College ninety point three WHPC. Listen
on air or online at iHeartRadio Odyssey tune In app
(00:32):
smart speakers. You can go online to nccradio dot org
or download our own free WHPC app and listen to
twenty four to seven broadcast right here from the Voice
of Nasau Community College at ninety point three WHPC and
(00:54):
rbally Yours brings you the latest information about the many
facets in the world of natural living. Today. We are
so happy to have on board information about the body
of change and we have as our guest doctor Lisa
Kuhner Cooney, and she is a trauma therapist, intuitive healer
(01:18):
and the creator of the Roar method. Maybe it involves lions,
I don't know, will ask her, but it's a transformative
approach to healing. Doctor Lisa has been working for over
twenty five years and specializes in helping individuals overcome trauma, PTSD,
(01:39):
and disconnection through a blend of psychotherapy, energy work, and
spiritual guidance. Her work is deeply personal, drawing from her
own healing journey, and she has a new book called
The Body of Change. Thank you so much for joining
us today on herbal Yours, Doctor Lisa Kuhne.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Thank you so so much, Ellen. What a beautiful I
love herbally Yours right, because we do. I love that title.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Well, you know, I'm an herbalist. Many of our guests
will share, you know, herbs that work for them. It's
something that you might have in your armarium, but you
have lots of skills there. Why did you name your
book the Body of Change?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Because I am a firm believer from my own personal
experience having a body and having a body that at
one time got sick, and then having a body at
one time that got well from the sickness alternatively and
not necessarily through the allopathic suggestions that were given me.
I'm not against allopathic medicines. I'm I'm with everything that works,
(02:46):
however it works for you. And then when I got
sick at the age of thirty and I'd never been
ill before I went through this experience. But I went
through this experience where I literally told the doctors that
I didn't like what they were telling me as my
options because I was thirty and they wanted to take naturally,
so they were doing what they were supposed to do
(03:08):
certain organs and things like that from my body, and
I was like, I'm way too young for this, for
any organs to leave my body, I am not doing
it that way. So I was fortunate and found an
energetic healing institute that helped me meet my desire, and
that was to heal it more spiritually and energetically and
(03:32):
doing some really deep work and yes, some herbs and
bio energetic medicines, those sorts of things. And so from
that experience many years ago, I changed my whole tune
in my practice to really becoming your own inner physician.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
So what was what were you trained in and what
was your original practice that you then changed to a
more spiritual focus.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Well, I was am still licensed as a marriage and
family therapist with a doctor in psychology, so it's all
psychology focus has been my but it was more traditional,
let's say. And from this experience I went into. First
I tried hypnotherapy, then I tried shamanism, and then I
got into like a spiritual community and did meditations and
(04:23):
those sorts of things, and then I found a Theta
healing institute with Stata Healing Institute actually that I went
to and I really connected with the founder, and that
is a spiritual, physical, and psychological healing modality that is
pretty much described as a deep state of meditation using
(04:45):
the theta brainwave and the gamma of brain waves delta
brain waves to heal essentially. And through that work to
about three months, I stayed at the institute and actually
doubled and got my master masters in Fata healing while
I healed myself of the disease without going through the
(05:07):
surgery of what they wanted to do and what they suggested.
And once I did that, when I came back to
and then I was living in California, came back and
I changed my practice to a more still psychologically based,
but with the more spiritual energy healing.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So you brought that in. So that's very very interesting
path because you have all the conventional scientific learning and
appropriate licensure which you've got, and you find that that
is something that supports you and supports your clients and patients.
But then you brought in an an additional deeper understanding
(05:47):
of spiritual.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
And energetic healing, especially for things like trauma and addiction
and depression and anxiety, which was the focus of my
work using how do you explain soul fragments and what
happens when someone experiences a trauma from a not just
a psychological perspective where you actually have to walk the
(06:10):
person energetically to that moment where their worst moment in
their life potentially and find their quote unquote soul and
the fragments of their soul that left their body during
the trauma and bring them back without the trauma.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
So would you say sad thing like that? Because I've
had a lot of experiences which are things like past
life regression centsments that you actually can see sort of.
I remember one my relationship with one of my children
who now fifties, right, it is a long time, yeah,
But when I was doing that, I actually saw an
(06:51):
incident that explained to me some of the challenges and
fractures that we were having within our relationship at that time.
Exactly me being a parent that really helped me remove
myself from just being triggered by it and being able
to sort of watch it and heal it.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Well, we can have a whole show on that. Because
I got two kids of my own who are twenty
three and twenty one right now. I was a little
bit of a later bloomer in my children life and
I am fifty five now. So it's like I use
these skills with them exactly like you said, instead of
because I noticed I was getting more reactive with one
(07:33):
of them than the other, and I was like, wait
a second, I know how to do this. I can
just step out from being quote unquote the adult and
the parent and having to get these things done and
blah blah blah blah blah. See this soul, a being
as a soul, and let the soul talk to me
about what it needs. And yes, I used my clairvoyance,
(07:56):
use the words seeing this. You were able to see it,
your clairvoyance, your clare audience, which is your hearing, and
your clear sentience, which is your feeling. And so it
has been super helpful in my parenting and in my
home life and in my relationship as well as with
the clients that I've worked with over the last close
(08:17):
to thirty years.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Now, well, you use some interesting words, and I do
want to let our listeners know that we're speaking to
doctor Lisa Kooney. That's COO n e Y And we
do have links to your website d Lisa Kuney dot com.
And you have some very interesting vocabulary that we'd like
you to share. What this means? What is a soul print?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I actually heard that term in Israel when I happen
to be there. I wrote my dissertation actually in Israel.
I am not Jewish, not that it matters, but I
found I based my dissertation believe it or not, in
Judaism because I found this word coin by a rabbi,
and part of my doctorate, I should say there's a
(09:03):
sub concentration in socially engaged spirituality. So I studied all
the world's religions. I grew up Catholic. I actually grew up.
It's funny you said Nasal Community College. I grew up
in Garden City. My mom still lives there.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
We're doing this show from NASA Community College and guard
Is I know, so you're right.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Cousin works in adela Phi as a sociologist as a
teacher that like we're all over. So it's like I
was so like please that I'm speaking to where I
grew up. So I heard this term when I was
in Israel doing some research for my dissertation on what
was Judaism and what was soul printing? And what was
(09:43):
this term called soul print and what did it mean?
And essentially the rabbi explained to me that a sole print,
if you take a look at your fingerprint, like on
your thumb, it is the contour and character of our
thumb print that is uniquely each of ours and impressing
(10:03):
our soul print on the lips of this reality according
to this system. Okay, Judaism or this part of Judaism,
I can't say this soule print is part of Judaism
in its totality. It was coined by a rabbi who
just happened to be Jewish and practice Judaism. But it
is a term that you know, I use to describe
(10:26):
to people what is yours is unique. Doesn't matter what
your mother or father, or sister or brother, or teachers
or are telling you what you should do, or even
what school you go to, but all those things point
you in a direction and kind of our training wheels
to point you in the direction of what is your soul?
(10:49):
What are you doing here? And when you unleash your
soul print on the lips of this reality, it's when
you do something you love to do that you don't
even it doesn't even feel like work for you. It's
just a part of who you are. And it's actually
probably really easy for you to be and do whatever
(11:11):
such thing is. Like for me to talk now, it's
very easy and to talk about my work and what
I do. But when I was, you know, eighteen or
nineteen or twenty, I was not as well versed as
I am now. I found that part of my soul
print was writing books because I have a few of them.
Was speaking to the public, whether it be a podcast
(11:34):
or interviews or live and I've traveled all over the
world with groups of five to three thousand. So that's
part of my soul print. So it's the thing that
you love to do that sometimes you excuse that you
can't create a career out of or work or even money,
or it's too good to be true. That's your soul
(11:57):
print and impressing that on the lips of this or
reality is the goal of spiritual living.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Well, let me let me reintroduce you to our audience
so that you know they remember who we're listening to today,
and i'd like to remind you that you're listening to
herbally Yours on the Voice of Nassau Community College ninety
point three WHPC and you can listen live or you
can go to online sources like nccradio dot org or
(12:27):
any podcast venue that you like to listen to. And
today's guest, we're so happy to have doctor Lisa Cooney,
who just said she's written several books and you can
find had a doctor Lisa Cooney dot com. We have
a live link to that, and now we're talking about
her book, A Body of Change. And you really focused
(12:50):
in your professional life on trauma quite a bit. So
what brings people to have that kind of feeling of
you know, disconnect, Like what what does trauma do?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
I'll bring in the Raar method, which which I developed
and is kind of like my signature method. I think
it might be the best and quickest and easiest way
to explain that very deep and beautiful question you asked
Ellen about what is drama especially.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
And that's the roar like a lion.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Yeah, yeah, are because to heal from trauma and addiction
and the tragedies that some of us face, you know
that are well egregious sometimes and no matter what, traumas
and tragedies have an impact, that impact has let's say
(13:39):
different levels, right, But with the raar method, you can
alleviate the trauma of any situation by following the principles.
And basically what leads to trauma is four d's denial, dissociation, disconnection,
(14:01):
and defense defending. So denial, defending, dissociation, disconnection. So essentially,
when there's a situation that goes on, let's just say,
for ease, let's just say somebody was mugged, robbed at night,
you're alone, whatever that situation happens, and you're coming to
therapy to work on it as an example, But in
(14:23):
the moment that that happens, you have to kind of
deny what's going on and defend against fearing for your
life while trying to save your life or get out
of the situation at least unharmed, so to speak. The
violation is there no matter what, but any further violation
you have to use a form of denial and defending
(14:47):
to survive it, and then you dissociate from yourself by
surviving it, and then you can disconnect from the moment
because you had to survive it. It's all natural. Most
people don't get this. So let's say magnified out like
I'm explaining it to identify the depth and breadth of
(15:11):
the trauma. So if I can get somebody to tell
me what happened, and to go over the situation and
tell me what happened, what did you have to deny
about the situation, deny that your life was endangered.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
They have to reflect, they have to reflect on why
is dramatic to them?
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Right? And so then I point out, Okay, that's the denial,
that's the defending, that's the dissociation, that's the disconnection. And
I use the metaphor of being in a jail cell
that each of these four d's is like a jail
cell bar that locks them in a cage of abuse,
so that they're actually regurgitating the trauma over and over
(15:56):
and over and over again, even though they let's say,
made it out alive and it's months later and they're
still not sleeping, or they're still jumping when they feel
somebody behind them, or they still don't want to be
touched by their partner because that mugging or situation grab
(16:17):
them on their body and they're having flashbacks. But if
I can break down and have them reflect as you said,
and talk about these levels of the four d's, I
can show them how they're in a cage, and it's
a cage of their making through their mind. But it's
not a wrongness. They just decided to do this. Well,
(16:42):
it's intrinsic. They didn't necessarily decide. It's like a light
switch that switches on inside of us. Animals have it
in the wild intrinsically. We humans have it in our
brain psychologically, and in some respects, thank god we do,
because there's a way that we can survive these things
strgle being a human in this life. You know, planes, trainings, automobiles,
(17:04):
car accidents, you never know, people walking into places these
days with AR fifteen. Sorry to bring in some politics
and traumas. It's different than when I grew up. I
was born in nineteen sixty nine. It's a little different.
It's probably always been out there, but it's like everywhere
every single day now and that brings a lot of
(17:25):
stress for people, and I find more people are living
in their own cage of abuse because of the world happenings.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
But in going Far, you have to say, at first,
you have to recognize that you're having trauma, because I
find many people are traumatized, but they never step back
enough to look at the situation they're in. They're just
within the uproarious and often negative emotional experiences.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Of it, which is why I call it the Raar
methodize you have to have the tenacity of consciousness, like
a lions war, to face this demon down, which is terror,
which is unfathomable potential pain, which is terror for your life,
which is shame for getting yourself into that situation, even
(18:15):
though it wasn't your fault, right, There's a lot of
things that go on. Anger at the violation, anger at
yourself for not being more aware, Grief about the disconnect
between you and the world, you and your family, you
and people because of the trauma. There's so much. Trauma
doesn't just affect one thing. It affects your body, it
(18:35):
affects your mind, It affects your psyche, It affects your
sexual relationships, it affects your money and it affects your health.
So if I can identify with somebody from their situation,
the cage of abuse, and then get them to embrace
and embody what they would have liked to have happened,
(18:56):
and basically that's where the work gets really deep. Then
I have them go through the emotions of it and
say what they couldn't say to save their life during
the moment, feel what they couldn't feel during the moment
because they were so focused on saving their life as
they should be, and so on. And I would do
this with a lot of veterans from being able.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Oh, I imagine like so many of them have trauma.
Let's talk about Let's allow just one client of the
many many that you have worked with just pop into
your head so you can share their story without obviously
identifying them necessarily. But what was it, How did they
reach out to you, what activities did you take with them,
(19:40):
and what was the outcome?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
So thank you for that. I had a client that
was in a breakup in a relationship. This is something
everybody can relate to, and they were and it was
an amical breakup somewhere in their mid twenties, very amicable
they really loved each other separated as friends. However, the
person who reached out to me was having bouts of anger, rage, depression, shame, nightmares,
(20:12):
random stuff that didn't make any sense as she explained
it to me on the first call. And then when
we got into the sessions, I was able to identify
with her the time in her life. And this is key.
I basically had to take the feeling she was feeling
in the moment do a little bit of hypnotherapy, which
(20:33):
is just walking her back to a younger time. Of course,
I just met her, so I didn't know what the
younger time would bring up. But we happened to get
to a younger time in her family when she was
about somewhere between the ages of four and five, and
she remembers watching her parents fight at the dinner table
(20:54):
and then tell each other that they loved each other.
Woman that I was working with was like something was
wrong there, like they're they're fighting, but then they're telling
each other that they love each other. In that moment,
we were able to identify that she decided that love
was hate and hate was love, which is a dual belief, right,
(21:18):
And then if hate is love and love is hate?
How do you actually be intimate because you're always going
to you know, always, how do you be intimate? And
how do you really live in the unconditional love nature
of you know, the best part of a relationship. I'm
not saying you always live that way. There's good, it's
good to have some conflicts every once in a while
(21:39):
brings the level of the relationship to another level. But
in this case, her decision that love was hate and
hate was love made her decide at four and five
years of age that relationship was unsafe and that that
was what was triggering her angerage, fury, and shame about
(22:01):
this amical breakup at twenty five, But it was the
route was actually at her parents' relationship at four or five.
So we got to identify what she was denying thinking
that it was about the relationship and the present, when
it was really about what she witnessed in her parents'
relationship and how she was projecting that, if you will,
(22:24):
on this amical full breakup, making up feelings that weren't
there in her twenties, but were actually the feelings she
never dealt with in her family system with her parents.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
So did that manor did that make sense to her
when you were like pointing that out that it had
actually been sort of misplaced.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yes, it made perfect sense to her because then we
got into all the feelings in dealing with her parents
and letting her body talk it out. The body of change,
because once the body does what it couldn't do in
certain situations when we three four, five, ten, fifteen, eighteen,
first loves, breakups, marriage, saying or relationship things, parent things.
(23:08):
Once the body says or does what it couldn't say
or do back, then fifty percent of the problem is
solved because then it's out of the cellular memory. And
once it's out of the cellular memory, we could teach
the cells a new pattern and a new belief system
because it's free and clear, and that's what I call
(23:29):
We start with the four d's and we end in
the raw method with the four c's, which is choosing
for you. When you become clear and aware of your
belief systems and what you're choosing, you have this free
will which empowers you committing to you when you commit
with the action to change yourself and find out what
(23:50):
you are projecting on something else and learn to be
accountable to it and learn to identify when you're projecting,
to stop that and not put it on other people
in your relationship, and then trusting that the universe, as
you move forward in truth, will collaborate with you because
it only wants good for you. The universe is a
(24:12):
giving universe. If you ask for good, you will get good.
If you ask for I don't have this, I don't
have that, you will get that good. To watch your
language and then also then choosing for you, committing to you,
collaborating with the universe, conspiring to bless you, and then
creating your life from there. And that's how I work
with trauma. Identify the cage of abuse which allows you
(24:35):
not to exist in the full, instant, freest expression of
who you are, and then move that person. When we
identify the scenario and the belief systems move that scenario
to empowerment. How can the person choose for themselves, commit
to themselves, collaborate with the universe, blessing themselves and creating
their life from there in all situations financially, relationally, psychological, spiritually,
(25:01):
friend wise, personally, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
So when it makes sense, it does, and when you
pointed it out to this individual, then does it come
at someone like an epiphany, like a door opening, like
clarity moving in, and then she didn't really have to
change her actions, only her internal perception.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
She had to change her internal perception first. That's a
very astute way of giving me the key to say,
that's the crux of my work is to get to
the person internally and then have the change be internal.
Become like your own inner physician, so that when you're
interacting in the world, you actually have a better chance
(25:43):
at creating it the way you want it because you're
clear internally.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
And what kind of daily practices would be involved in
someone to be able to create that kind of perceptual change.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
There's practices that I teach my clients specifically about how
to ground themselves, how to put one hand on the
center of your heart and one hand on the lower abdomen,
and there's some affirmative phrases that we repeat over and over.
I also teach them some light energetic processing work, how
(26:16):
to ground themselves, how to put a protective barrier around
them when they're not feeling so strong, get out in
nature and feel the sun on your face for five.
That's very specific actions. Yes, tones in their house and
music in their house to uplift the energy. I work
(26:37):
a lot with people energetically on clutter space, cluttered mind.
I do a lot of this energetic work. It's not
I don't particularly any longer do just talk therapy, and
I haven't for lots of decades actually.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
But I want to thank you so much for sharing
so many clear interventions that you are able to do. Listeners,
I'd like you to know that we've been listening to
doctor Lisa Cooney. You can find her at Drlisacooney dot com.
She has lots more very interesting information. And I want
to thank you so much for being our guest today.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Thank you so much, Ellen, thank you for the time,
and it was really lovely to get connect with the
Nasau Community College Radio. And thank you from my hometown,
and thank you everybody for listening. I hope you got
something from it, and feel free to reach out if
you would like some more information.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And thank you for tuning into rbally. Yours produced in
the studios of ninety point three WHPC, NASA Community College,
Garden City, New York. For further information, email us at
WHPC at NCC dot b DU. This is your host
Ellencami at Naturalnurse dot com inviting you to join us
(27:53):
next week for another edition of rbally Yours. Until then,
we hope that you stay healthy.
Welcome to urbally Yours and I venture into the world
of natural medicine. Here's your host, doctor Ellenkamai, the natural
nurse who will help you take the leap to ultimate
wellness and greetings.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Thank you so much for joining me, Ellencami, the natural Nurse,
for another edition of erbally Yours right here on the
Voice of Nassau Community College ninety point three WHPC. Listen
on air or online at iHeartRadio Odyssey tune In app
(00:32):
smart speakers. You can go online to nccradio dot org
or download our own free WHPC app and listen to
twenty four to seven broadcast right here from the Voice
of Nasau Community College at ninety point three WHPC and
(00:54):
rbally Yours brings you the latest information about the many
facets in the world of natural living. Today. We are
so happy to have on board information about the body
of change and we have as our guest doctor Lisa
Kuhner Cooney, and she is a trauma therapist, intuitive healer
(01:18):
and the creator of the Roar method. Maybe it involves lions,
I don't know, will ask her, but it's a transformative
approach to healing. Doctor Lisa has been working for over
twenty five years and specializes in helping individuals overcome trauma, PTSD,
(01:39):
and disconnection through a blend of psychotherapy, energy work, and
spiritual guidance. Her work is deeply personal, drawing from her
own healing journey, and she has a new book called
The Body of Change. Thank you so much for joining
us today on herbal Yours, Doctor Lisa Kuhne.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Thank you so so much, Ellen. What a beautiful I
love herbally Yours right, because we do. I love that title.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Well, you know, I'm an herbalist. Many of our guests
will share, you know, herbs that work for them. It's
something that you might have in your armarium, but you
have lots of skills there. Why did you name your
book the Body of Change?
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Because I am a firm believer from my own personal
experience having a body and having a body that at
one time got sick, and then having a body at
one time that got well from the sickness alternatively and
not necessarily through the allopathic suggestions that were given me.
I'm not against allopathic medicines. I'm I'm with everything that works,
(02:46):
however it works for you. And then when I got
sick at the age of thirty and I'd never been
ill before I went through this experience. But I went
through this experience where I literally told the doctors that
I didn't like what they were telling me as my
options because I was thirty and they wanted to take naturally,
so they were doing what they were supposed to do
(03:08):
certain organs and things like that from my body, and
I was like, I'm way too young for this, for
any organs to leave my body, I am not doing
it that way. So I was fortunate and found an
energetic healing institute that helped me meet my desire, and
that was to heal it more spiritually and energetically and
(03:32):
doing some really deep work and yes, some herbs and
bio energetic medicines, those sorts of things. And so from
that experience many years ago, I changed my whole tune
in my practice to really becoming your own inner physician.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
So what was what were you trained in and what
was your original practice that you then changed to a
more spiritual focus.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Well, I was am still licensed as a marriage and
family therapist with a doctor in psychology, so it's all
psychology focus has been my but it was more traditional,
let's say. And from this experience I went into. First
I tried hypnotherapy, then I tried shamanism, and then I
got into like a spiritual community and did meditations and
(04:23):
those sorts of things, and then I found a Theta
healing institute with Stata Healing Institute actually that I went
to and I really connected with the founder, and that
is a spiritual, physical, and psychological healing modality that is
pretty much described as a deep state of meditation using
(04:45):
the theta brainwave and the gamma of brain waves delta
brain waves to heal essentially. And through that work to
about three months, I stayed at the institute and actually
doubled and got my master masters in Fata healing while
I healed myself of the disease without going through the
(05:07):
surgery of what they wanted to do and what they suggested.
And once I did that, when I came back to
and then I was living in California, came back and
I changed my practice to a more still psychologically based,
but with the more spiritual energy healing.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So you brought that in. So that's very very interesting
path because you have all the conventional scientific learning and
appropriate licensure which you've got, and you find that that
is something that supports you and supports your clients and patients.
But then you brought in an an additional deeper understanding
(05:47):
of spiritual.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
And energetic healing, especially for things like trauma and addiction
and depression and anxiety, which was the focus of my
work using how do you explain soul fragments and what
happens when someone experiences a trauma from a not just
a psychological perspective where you actually have to walk the
(06:10):
person energetically to that moment where their worst moment in
their life potentially and find their quote unquote soul and
the fragments of their soul that left their body during
the trauma and bring them back without the trauma.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
So would you say sad thing like that? Because I've
had a lot of experiences which are things like past
life regression centsments that you actually can see sort of.
I remember one my relationship with one of my children
who now fifties, right, it is a long time, yeah,
But when I was doing that, I actually saw an
(06:51):
incident that explained to me some of the challenges and
fractures that we were having within our relationship at that time.
Exactly me being a parent that really helped me remove
myself from just being triggered by it and being able
to sort of watch it and heal it.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Well, we can have a whole show on that. Because
I got two kids of my own who are twenty
three and twenty one right now. I was a little
bit of a later bloomer in my children life and
I am fifty five now. So it's like I use
these skills with them exactly like you said, instead of
because I noticed I was getting more reactive with one
(07:33):
of them than the other, and I was like, wait
a second, I know how to do this. I can
just step out from being quote unquote the adult and
the parent and having to get these things done and
blah blah blah blah blah. See this soul, a being
as a soul, and let the soul talk to me
about what it needs. And yes, I used my clairvoyance,
(07:56):
use the words seeing this. You were able to see it,
your clairvoyance, your clare audience, which is your hearing, and
your clear sentience, which is your feeling. And so it
has been super helpful in my parenting and in my
home life and in my relationship as well as with
the clients that I've worked with over the last close
(08:17):
to thirty years.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Now, well, you use some interesting words, and I do
want to let our listeners know that we're speaking to
doctor Lisa Kooney. That's COO n e Y And we
do have links to your website d Lisa Kuney dot com.
And you have some very interesting vocabulary that we'd like
you to share. What this means? What is a soul print?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I actually heard that term in Israel when I happen
to be there. I wrote my dissertation actually in Israel.
I am not Jewish, not that it matters, but I
found I based my dissertation believe it or not, in
Judaism because I found this word coin by a rabbi,
and part of my doctorate, I should say there's a
(09:03):
sub concentration in socially engaged spirituality. So I studied all
the world's religions. I grew up Catholic. I actually grew up.
It's funny you said Nasal Community College. I grew up
in Garden City. My mom still lives there.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
We're doing this show from NASA Community College and guard
Is I know, so you're right.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Cousin works in adela Phi as a sociologist as a
teacher that like we're all over. So it's like I
was so like please that I'm speaking to where I
grew up. So I heard this term when I was
in Israel doing some research for my dissertation on what
was Judaism and what was soul printing? And what was
(09:43):
this term called soul print and what did it mean?
And essentially the rabbi explained to me that a sole print,
if you take a look at your fingerprint, like on
your thumb, it is the contour and character of our
thumb print that is uniquely each of ours and impressing
(10:03):
our soul print on the lips of this reality according
to this system. Okay, Judaism or this part of Judaism,
I can't say this soule print is part of Judaism
in its totality. It was coined by a rabbi who
just happened to be Jewish and practice Judaism. But it
is a term that you know, I use to describe
(10:26):
to people what is yours is unique. Doesn't matter what
your mother or father, or sister or brother, or teachers
or are telling you what you should do, or even
what school you go to, but all those things point
you in a direction and kind of our training wheels
to point you in the direction of what is your soul?
(10:49):
What are you doing here? And when you unleash your
soul print on the lips of this reality, it's when
you do something you love to do that you don't
even it doesn't even feel like work for you. It's
just a part of who you are. And it's actually
probably really easy for you to be and do whatever
(11:11):
such thing is. Like for me to talk now, it's
very easy and to talk about my work and what
I do. But when I was, you know, eighteen or
nineteen or twenty, I was not as well versed as
I am now. I found that part of my soul
print was writing books because I have a few of them.
Was speaking to the public, whether it be a podcast
(11:34):
or interviews or live and I've traveled all over the
world with groups of five to three thousand. So that's
part of my soul print. So it's the thing that
you love to do that sometimes you excuse that you
can't create a career out of or work or even money,
or it's too good to be true. That's your soul
(11:57):
print and impressing that on the lips of this or
reality is the goal of spiritual living.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Well, let me let me reintroduce you to our audience
so that you know they remember who we're listening to today,
and i'd like to remind you that you're listening to
herbally Yours on the Voice of Nassau Community College ninety
point three WHPC and you can listen live or you
can go to online sources like nccradio dot org or
(12:27):
any podcast venue that you like to listen to. And
today's guest, we're so happy to have doctor Lisa Cooney,
who just said she's written several books and you can
find had a doctor Lisa Cooney dot com. We have
a live link to that, and now we're talking about
her book, A Body of Change. And you really focused
(12:50):
in your professional life on trauma quite a bit. So
what brings people to have that kind of feeling of
you know, disconnect, Like what what does trauma do?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
I'll bring in the Raar method, which which I developed
and is kind of like my signature method. I think
it might be the best and quickest and easiest way
to explain that very deep and beautiful question you asked
Ellen about what is drama especially.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
And that's the roar like a lion.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Yeah, yeah, are because to heal from trauma and addiction
and the tragedies that some of us face, you know
that are well egregious sometimes and no matter what, traumas
and tragedies have an impact, that impact has let's say
(13:39):
different levels, right, But with the raar method, you can
alleviate the trauma of any situation by following the principles.
And basically what leads to trauma is four d's denial, dissociation, disconnection,
(14:01):
and defense defending. So denial, defending, dissociation, disconnection. So essentially,
when there's a situation that goes on, let's just say,
for ease, let's just say somebody was mugged, robbed at night,
you're alone, whatever that situation happens, and you're coming to
therapy to work on it as an example, But in
(14:23):
the moment that that happens, you have to kind of
deny what's going on and defend against fearing for your
life while trying to save your life or get out
of the situation at least unharmed, so to speak. The
violation is there no matter what, but any further violation
you have to use a form of denial and defending
(14:47):
to survive it, and then you dissociate from yourself by
surviving it, and then you can disconnect from the moment
because you had to survive it. It's all natural. Most
people don't get this. So let's say magnified out like
I'm explaining it to identify the depth and breadth of
(15:11):
the trauma. So if I can get somebody to tell
me what happened, and to go over the situation and
tell me what happened, what did you have to deny
about the situation, deny that your life was endangered.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
They have to reflect, they have to reflect on why
is dramatic to them?
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Right? And so then I point out, Okay, that's the denial,
that's the defending, that's the dissociation, that's the disconnection. And
I use the metaphor of being in a jail cell
that each of these four d's is like a jail
cell bar that locks them in a cage of abuse,
so that they're actually regurgitating the trauma over and over
(15:56):
and over and over again, even though they let's say,
made it out alive and it's months later and they're
still not sleeping, or they're still jumping when they feel
somebody behind them, or they still don't want to be
touched by their partner because that mugging or situation grab
(16:17):
them on their body and they're having flashbacks. But if
I can break down and have them reflect as you said,
and talk about these levels of the four d's, I
can show them how they're in a cage, and it's
a cage of their making through their mind. But it's
not a wrongness. They just decided to do this. Well,
(16:42):
it's intrinsic. They didn't necessarily decide. It's like a light
switch that switches on inside of us. Animals have it
in the wild intrinsically. We humans have it in our
brain psychologically, and in some respects, thank god we do,
because there's a way that we can survive these things
strgle being a human in this life. You know, planes, trainings, automobiles,
(17:04):
car accidents, you never know, people walking into places these
days with AR fifteen. Sorry to bring in some politics
and traumas. It's different than when I grew up. I
was born in nineteen sixty nine. It's a little different.
It's probably always been out there, but it's like everywhere
every single day now and that brings a lot of
(17:25):
stress for people, and I find more people are living
in their own cage of abuse because of the world happenings.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
But in going Far, you have to say, at first,
you have to recognize that you're having trauma, because I
find many people are traumatized, but they never step back
enough to look at the situation they're in. They're just
within the uproarious and often negative emotional experiences.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Of it, which is why I call it the Raar
methodize you have to have the tenacity of consciousness, like
a lions war, to face this demon down, which is terror,
which is unfathomable potential pain, which is terror for your life,
which is shame for getting yourself into that situation, even
(18:15):
though it wasn't your fault, right, There's a lot of
things that go on. Anger at the violation, anger at
yourself for not being more aware, Grief about the disconnect
between you and the world, you and your family, you
and people because of the trauma. There's so much. Trauma
doesn't just affect one thing. It affects your body, it
(18:35):
affects your mind, It affects your psyche, It affects your
sexual relationships, it affects your money and it affects your health.
So if I can identify with somebody from their situation,
the cage of abuse, and then get them to embrace
and embody what they would have liked to have happened,
(18:56):
and basically that's where the work gets really deep. Then
I have them go through the emotions of it and
say what they couldn't say to save their life during
the moment, feel what they couldn't feel during the moment
because they were so focused on saving their life as
they should be, and so on. And I would do
this with a lot of veterans from being able.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Oh, I imagine like so many of them have trauma.
Let's talk about Let's allow just one client of the
many many that you have worked with just pop into
your head so you can share their story without obviously
identifying them necessarily. But what was it, How did they
reach out to you, what activities did you take with them,
(19:40):
and what was the outcome?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
So thank you for that. I had a client that
was in a breakup in a relationship. This is something
everybody can relate to, and they were and it was
an amical breakup somewhere in their mid twenties, very amicable
they really loved each other separated as friends. However, the
person who reached out to me was having bouts of anger, rage, depression, shame, nightmares,
(20:12):
random stuff that didn't make any sense as she explained
it to me on the first call. And then when
we got into the sessions, I was able to identify
with her the time in her life. And this is key.
I basically had to take the feeling she was feeling
in the moment do a little bit of hypnotherapy, which
(20:33):
is just walking her back to a younger time. Of course,
I just met her, so I didn't know what the
younger time would bring up. But we happened to get
to a younger time in her family when she was
about somewhere between the ages of four and five, and
she remembers watching her parents fight at the dinner table
(20:54):
and then tell each other that they loved each other.
Woman that I was working with was like something was
wrong there, like they're they're fighting, but then they're telling
each other that they love each other. In that moment,
we were able to identify that she decided that love
was hate and hate was love, which is a dual belief, right,
(21:18):
And then if hate is love and love is hate?
How do you actually be intimate because you're always going
to you know, always, how do you be intimate? And
how do you really live in the unconditional love nature
of you know, the best part of a relationship. I'm
not saying you always live that way. There's good, it's
good to have some conflicts every once in a while
(21:39):
brings the level of the relationship to another level. But
in this case, her decision that love was hate and
hate was love made her decide at four and five
years of age that relationship was unsafe and that that
was what was triggering her angerage, fury, and shame about
(22:01):
this amical breakup at twenty five, But it was the
route was actually at her parents' relationship at four or five.
So we got to identify what she was denying thinking
that it was about the relationship and the present, when
it was really about what she witnessed in her parents'
relationship and how she was projecting that, if you will,
(22:24):
on this amical full breakup, making up feelings that weren't
there in her twenties, but were actually the feelings she
never dealt with in her family system with her parents.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
So did that manor did that make sense to her
when you were like pointing that out that it had
actually been sort of misplaced.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yes, it made perfect sense to her because then we
got into all the feelings in dealing with her parents
and letting her body talk it out. The body of change,
because once the body does what it couldn't do in
certain situations when we three four, five, ten, fifteen, eighteen,
first loves, breakups, marriage, saying or relationship things, parent things.
(23:08):
Once the body says or does what it couldn't say
or do back, then fifty percent of the problem is
solved because then it's out of the cellular memory. And
once it's out of the cellular memory, we could teach
the cells a new pattern and a new belief system
because it's free and clear, and that's what I call
(23:29):
We start with the four d's and we end in
the raw method with the four c's, which is choosing
for you. When you become clear and aware of your
belief systems and what you're choosing, you have this free
will which empowers you committing to you when you commit
with the action to change yourself and find out what
(23:50):
you are projecting on something else and learn to be
accountable to it and learn to identify when you're projecting,
to stop that and not put it on other people
in your relationship, and then trusting that the universe, as
you move forward in truth, will collaborate with you because
it only wants good for you. The universe is a
(24:12):
giving universe. If you ask for good, you will get good.
If you ask for I don't have this, I don't
have that, you will get that good. To watch your
language and then also then choosing for you, committing to you,
collaborating with the universe, conspiring to bless you, and then
creating your life from there. And that's how I work
with trauma. Identify the cage of abuse which allows you
(24:35):
not to exist in the full, instant, freest expression of
who you are, and then move that person. When we
identify the scenario and the belief systems move that scenario
to empowerment. How can the person choose for themselves, commit
to themselves, collaborate with the universe, blessing themselves and creating
their life from there in all situations financially, relationally, psychological, spiritually,
(25:01):
friend wise, personally, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
So when it makes sense, it does, and when you
pointed it out to this individual, then does it come
at someone like an epiphany, like a door opening, like
clarity moving in, and then she didn't really have to
change her actions, only her internal perception.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
She had to change her internal perception first. That's a
very astute way of giving me the key to say,
that's the crux of my work is to get to
the person internally and then have the change be internal.
Become like your own inner physician, so that when you're
interacting in the world, you actually have a better chance
(25:43):
at creating it the way you want it because you're
clear internally.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
And what kind of daily practices would be involved in
someone to be able to create that kind of perceptual change.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
There's practices that I teach my clients specifically about how
to ground themselves, how to put one hand on the
center of your heart and one hand on the lower abdomen,
and there's some affirmative phrases that we repeat over and over.
I also teach them some light energetic processing work, how
(26:16):
to ground themselves, how to put a protective barrier around
them when they're not feeling so strong, get out in
nature and feel the sun on your face for five.
That's very specific actions. Yes, tones in their house and
music in their house to uplift the energy. I work
(26:37):
a lot with people energetically on clutter space, cluttered mind.
I do a lot of this energetic work. It's not
I don't particularly any longer do just talk therapy, and
I haven't for lots of decades actually.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
But I want to thank you so much for sharing
so many clear interventions that you are able to do. Listeners,
I'd like you to know that we've been listening to
doctor Lisa Cooney. You can find her at Drlisacooney dot com.
She has lots more very interesting information. And I want
to thank you so much for being our guest today.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Thank you so much, Ellen, thank you for the time,
and it was really lovely to get connect with the
Nasau Community College Radio. And thank you from my hometown,
and thank you everybody for listening. I hope you got
something from it, and feel free to reach out if
you would like some more information.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
And thank you for tuning into rbally. Yours produced in
the studios of ninety point three WHPC, NASA Community College,
Garden City, New York. For further information, email us at
WHPC at NCC dot b DU. This is your host
Ellencami at Naturalnurse dot com inviting you to join us
(27:53):
next week for another edition of rbally Yours. Until then,
we hope that you stay healthy.
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