November 7, 2025 • 50 mins
Statement analysis of the ransom note continues this week. Evidence released publicly in the case helps to shed some light on how this gruesome and shocking murder took place, but it leaves a lot of questions as to why such a fantastical ruse was used in this case. I suspect that we aren’t being told all there is to know about the inner workings of John Ramsey’s life and business which this ransom note seems to target. The over use of words in the ransom note really sings Zodiac Killer.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:52):
Good Morning, tru seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
Today we're going to continue on with the John Vne
Ramsey evidence. We were working actually on a statement analysis
last week where we were talking about or discussing an
individual's analysis of the statements that were made in that
(01:14):
ransom note. Let me see if I can collect his
name again real quick, Mark McLish. So, we had ended
out basically with a couple pages left to go over,
in which case he's breaking down the linguistics of the
ransom note. Of course, in this presentation he's attempting to
(01:35):
show how it is Pansy Ramsey that wrote this note. However,
the family has been cleared from any wrongdoing in this case,
well at least from actively having murdered their own daughter.
This was actually done? When did I say? This was done?
Two thousand and one, So this was basically about four
years after the death of John Vnay. And let's see
(01:57):
if we can get ourselves back to yes. Okay, So
and while we wait for Lindsay to come back with us. Oh,
here she is. Good morning, Lindsay mcbrear. Oh where is
your You're here, You're here, but I don't hear you.
Oh there you are. Ah, good morning morning. I'm exhausted.
(02:23):
I went deep sea fishing, yes, yesterday, and we did
not finish boiling the crabs until about midnight last night.
So I'm barely hanging in there. But We're gonna make
it through.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yay.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Oh well, yes, I'm good eating.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Well I didn't get to eat it yet, obviously. That
was all cutting prepping. Yeah, I'm doing all the things
except for eating. But that's okay. My mama made a
great meal for us when we got home, so we
had a hot meal at about nine thirty ten o'clock
at night. Ah. Well, we left off at the end
of the statement, analysis and examination of the ransom note,
(02:59):
so I'm just going to pick up where we left
off and if Nolan joins us today, I'm sure one
will pop him in, but I have not talked to
him to know whether or not he's going to be here. Yeah,
all right, so we left off where it was talking
about the kidnapper demanded one hundred and eighteen thousand from
the Ramseys and this is very unusual. Well, of course
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it's an unusual amount, but most people would ask for
a much larger amount. There's a reason why the writer
chose one hundred and eighteen. Even John Ramsey agrees that
that the number one eighteen is significant to the killer.
It has been reported that in nineteen ninety six, John
Ramsey received a bonus of one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars,
And he asks, is this a coincidence? When the writer
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had to think of a number, one hundred and eighteen
thousand was on his mind? How does that make you feel?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Definitely, excuse me, not on his mind, right, I don't
believe in coincidence. Is for one, and for two, you
don't get like the exact amount just randomly, like there's
no way.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Right, And I mean, of course they're they're alluding to
the fact that Ramsey's would have known this number, and
that of course ties them back to this note in
some fashion. But we've seen a lot of inside information
in some of these crimes, and of course this one
is no different. So the knowing of you know, where
her room was, where to take her from the entryway
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and exit out of the basement, I mean there was
a lot of inside knowledge obviously if a perpetratory to
come in and done this. And welcome Nolan del Campo
to the show. Good morning, everybody, Good morning, good morning.
Just got started back on the John Benne Ramsey statement analysis.
(04:51):
I mean you're talking about one hundred and eighteen thousand,
which was consistent number with this of business.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
So the.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Person that is doing the statement analysis says in number six,
in lines thirteen through sixteen, the writer states, if we monitor,
we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery
of the money and hence an an earlier pickup of
your daughter. The word hence is a formal way of saying. Therefore,
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the writer starts out the ransom note misspelling words, giving
the appearance he is uneducated. However, his educatational level begins
to show when he uses words such as hence. This
author pretty much says, and I think everybody uses hents
now since this was such a big thing back in
nineteen ninety six, I hear a lot of people using hens.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
A word.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Are you not used at this week? I probably have.
We should look to see if this word appears in
any writings of Patsy Ramsey. And then they said, well
it does. On December fourteenth of nineteen ninety seven, the
First United Methodist Church in Boulder, Colorado held a memorial
service for John Bennet. In the program, there was a
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Christmas message from the Ramsey family. This message was also
posted on the Ramsey family's website. In the message, we
find the statement, had there been no birth of Price,
there would be no hope of eternal life and hence
no hope of ever being with our loved ones. Again,
I go back and forth on this because I think
we talked a little bit about hence last week right
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where I said that I'll do an examination and where
I've never executed a letter or formation in a certain way.
After studying it, say for three four days, I'll find
myself actually using that particular structure following that examination when
I know I've never used it before or so it's
almost as if it gets ingreened at your head and
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becomes part of your arsenal, if you will. And I
would have to say that she probably read this note
a million times, even after you know, John Beney was found,
probably trying to just rationalize what this note was saying.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Uh So, yeah, I think that it was just there.
I don't think there's any aspect of that word.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Honestly, what do you mean aspect?
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I don't think there's anything that uh, I mean, there's
nothing particular to me that seems would be with that word,
because I mean, I use that word, and.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I think that had this been a Christmas greeting from
the year previous to her dying, then that would throw
suspect on them. But since this is a year after
her death and they've read this word hence in this
letter who knows how many times, makes you feel as
though it could just have been. And of course we
are also using christ language, right, God language. I don't
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know how to say this correctly because I'm just not
a Christian. I'm not a religious person spiritual with the earth,
got this, but nope, this religious stuff is really kind
of just to be another organized money maker. But I
feel like hence is actually used right in that terminology,
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like in the Bible, may or may not have significance, don't.
I don't like Lindsay saying I don't see the importance
of it. Really doesn't really stand out to me. No,
For something that somebody picked out about what she wrote
a year after her daughter had died, that has no
importance to me. Had, like I said, had that been
the message the year before, then we might be talking
(08:52):
about something. But even then, because they are such high
influential people, obviously with John Maney and all the pageants
and all followers and these kind of things, even if
they had done it ahead of time, that would have
been something another piece of insight information somebody may have
already known about her before writing this note, right Yeah, Well,
(09:15):
he goes on to say, the word hence is a
transition word. You do not have to use the word
and with it. For example, the arcade was closed, hence
I spent my money at the mall. The writer of
the ransom note used the phrase, and hence in their
Christmas message, the Ramseys used this same exact phrase. Had
there been no birth of Christ, there would be no
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hope of eternal life and hence no hope of ever
being with our loved ones again again. They read this
in this note go ahead, Nolan, Oh, that's all right.
I just tried to kick my mom called I get
rid of her. Oh, I was like, I also feel
(09:59):
like when we were dealing with the Zodiac that he
used a lot of non uh not need. He used
a lot of phrases that were not needed. So we
was basically double staying and doubling down on things and
statements in his own messages. So this is no different
to me. And like using the word rather and you know,
these these pretentious words that aren't necessary in the sentence
(10:26):
because the sentence works without it, And we seen a
lot of that in the Zodiac, so this wasn't too
far off that mark.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Well, and you don't, I mean, I've never seen anybody
use and hands.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Well, that's because they mean the same thing.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
And of course, once again we're going back to the
fact that they've read this message about their daughter a
million times. I'm sure.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah, he around somebody all the time and they say
a certain saying like dude, then you're gonna eventually start
saying dude because you've been around them so much. I
mean I've picked it up from my kids.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
So, right, what was Yeah, there was one that people like, uh, irregardless. Right,
So the people say irregardless when that's not even technically
a word, it's regardless because irregardless pretty much means the
same thing regardless, like, and so yeah, I see people
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using that, and that's because again, like you just said, lindsay,
they listen to other people say it a lot of times.
And I used to actually say irregardless like way back
in the day, but learned that that was not the
correct way to state that word, and since have removed that.
So now I do get a little chuckle every now
and again when I hear somebody say irregardless, but I
(11:41):
want to correct them. Not my place, you guys, roll
with it. If you haven't learned it yourself, you're not
going to learn it from me. As a journalist. I
learned early, long earlier on not to use irregardless.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Right, Well, And I was I was a that took
ap English in high school, and I took Advanced English
in college. So I'm like, I'm a writer too, So
I mean, I can't stand it. It draws me.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Notes when somebody says, yeah, I just.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Forget something's not right in the Senate. I'm like, oh
my god, why did they do this? Like that's really
the first thing I do.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Mine's editing. So if I read something that's not correctly
stated or has misspellings or the use of the incorrect words,
it drives my mind crazy. I can no longer focus
on what I'm supposed to be reading because I get
all caught up in their edits. And then I'm mad
that I'm having to read this with edits, and I'm
I'm done. I don't even want to look at it anymore.
(12:48):
But I'm sure I have plenty of edit issues in
my presentation. I'm sure of it. I've seen many. None
of us are above it. So he goes on to
say the writer started to say that upon receiving the money,
he would delivered John Bennet to her parents. He then
realized that a kidnapped kidnapper would not deliver the hostage,
but would tell the authorities where she can be found.
(13:08):
I thought that was a very interesting point there, because
you're right, the who's going to show up with this
kid in person and take the chances of being arrested yeah,
or is there your I Kennedy revealed at at minimum, Yeah,
what are you even gonna say? I gave her to
a friend like that friend isn't gonna go down until
(13:29):
they cough you up. Come on.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
In their Lifetime movies and they're like, Okay, well i'll
drop I'm dropping her off at the fire department.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
If you do right, Yeah, you're gonna drop her somewhere
and tell her where she can be found, which is
basically what he's saying here. He says, Therefore, it's such
a long letter and it's just a rust. Yes, it's
just weird. I think that's what made everybody want to
look at the Ramsays because it was I mean, it's
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something you had to sit around and have time to do.
But I feel like that's prime frame in which she
discovered the note and called the police. She didn't heed
or pay attention to the note that said do not
contact the police. It's literally what she did do. So
I mean, if you're telling me that she called all
of her friends, got all of her friends over there,
and then they all sat around trying to put together
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this note to get the Ramsays out of trouble again,
I think you have some issues with that philosophy. It
just doesn't get any water well.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
And it's like constantly the person that's writing it is
constantly explaining, constantly.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Right and over explaining the over disclosures. So he goes
on to talk about this whole we would deliver, and
of course this word was then I believe, crossed out,
so he said, therefore he changed it to pick up.
So first he said we'll deliver her, then he classed
that out and changed it to pick up. It's doubtful
that a kidnapper would make this mistake. More importantly, the
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e and examination of the author's writing style shows us
that whatever comes before the phrase and hence is supposed
to come after the phrase. And hence, so I thought
this was also an interesting take. They put in here
that seeing we might call you early to arrange an
earlier delivery of the money, and hence a earlier delivery.
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But then he crossed that out pick up of your daughter.
And so the author in this letter is using it
correctly right, it's before and after. And in their book
The Death of Innocence, Patsy Ramsey addresses the use of
the phrase and hence she says, actually, I have no
idea why we use that phrase. Maybe we'd seen it
(15:39):
so many times in reading the ransom note and having
to write it over and over again for the police,
that it became part of our subconscious vocabulary. She is
one hundred percent correct. I just described this as a
document examiner. It says, who knows? Then again, maybe people
everywhere use the phrase and hence every day of the week,
because it's a normal part of the English life, which,
(16:01):
as Lindsay mentioned, it says, like I said, when was
the last time you used that phrase? This guy wants
you to believe that it's just not something that's often used,
so he goes on to say it is not part
of the normal English vocabulary. Patsy Ramsey does not tell
us why they used the phrase Hello Da. Did you
not just hear her say? She only says maybe it
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is because they saw it in the ransom note and
had to write it several times for the police. She
then asked a question who knows? She doesn't know it
is I literally didn't know why I used that formation
the next day when I know that was not in
my writing arsenal the day before, or you know, previous
to that examination says, she is trying to sweep this
(16:47):
under the carpet, as if it is no big deal. However,
this is a very big deal. We have the same
phrase that is in the ransom note appearing in their writings.
On October twelfth of two thousand, the Ramseys did a
webcast interview with I'm sure that's not our governor right.
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In the interview, John Ramsey makes the following statement, the
justice justice system is a government organization, ding ding ding,
and hence should be looked at with some degree of skepticism.
Many Ramsey supporters believe the Ramseys did subconsciously adopt the
phrase and hence found it in the ransom and found
it in the ransom note. It says, Okay, I will
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admit it as possible, but let's take a look at
the phrase. And hence, when we look at the original
ransom note, we find the writer had crossed out a word,
and that's the word delivery. We see the same writing
style in the Ramsey's Christmas message. Had there been well,
we've already read that, and hence no hope of ever
being with our loved ones again. So the Ramsey supporters
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would have us believe that the Ramsey's not only adopted
the word hence, they also adopted the phrase and hence
oh my god. And they also adopted the killer's writing style,
but not probable. So he doesn't seem to understand is
he's trying to bifurcate the two words. That is exactly
how it was written in the note.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
It seems like to me, is what So a lot
of cops do this, A lot of cops and investigators,
like with a case, they know their correct protocol to
look at every angle, but it's like a lot of
times they don't, and they are they are phyxiated on
on one group of people or one person, and then
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that gets distraction from everything else. So then like they're
so focused that they try to fit the puzzle pieces
together that will not fit in together, but they try
to fit them. It's like they force them. And so
that seems like what they're doing here, and it's like
they're forcing it to fit there what they think, even
though it may not be for any nefarious reason, because
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most of times it's not. I mean, there are of this,
but I mean you gotta if you think about it
as you it puts yourself in that chair like then
you can see what I'm saying. Like you, you wanted
to be this because you want to be the one
that solve it. But you can't be like that. And
so that's where they messed up.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I think, well, I mean, when this guy tries to
say that and hence is something that you know is
their writing style. Once again, they read and hent they
read and hence as many times as they read the
word hence in this note, right, had they never seen
this note, had this note never been you know, something
that they located inside of the house and they had
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never seen the and hence statement, then it becomes very
significant that you find them using it in everyday life
or communications, because that is in fact the way they write.
But in this particular case, and hence it goes together.
So why this author is trying to, you know, state
that it's bifurcated and the fact that that it's together
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makes that more significant when that's exactly how they read
it a probably one hundred million times, who knows how
many times she had to write this note. That will
also instill the nhance into your arsenal. I tell people
that when I'm a wordy, so when I learn a
new word. I want to say it as many times
possible in a proper sentence throughout the week, so that
it becomes a part of my arsenal. And I they
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say twenty one times makes a habit, right, So how
many times has she a read this and wrote this?
And I'm pretty sure that it's likely more than twenty
one times, which would now have instilled it in her arsenal.
I think the author has just got it backwards, like
if the timeframes are swopped or they never saw this letter,
then yes, that would be significant. But to me it
simply is not. And again it's an overuse or word
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salad if you will. That's what I called a zodiac right.
He'd use multiple words in a single sentence, and some
of them weren't necessary, but they basically meant the same thing. Well,
all that takes us to fat Cat. I don't know
if you guys, what is your perception of fat cat? O?
Speaker 4 (20:59):
God?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Mm hm, someone that's the rich? Yeah, in kind of
a what's what's the word over the top A little
bit yep, this little version of this fact.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I want to know that that that they have money
and power, right well, or want somebody to know or
that's somebody's perception of.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Right yea. And with a lot of the things that
I did with the Zodiac, I would look up some
of the phrasing. You know, we found a lot of
it to be very Southern. Some of it originated actually
from love Att, Texas, where Jack originated himself. So of
course I ran a look up to see what fat
cat meant. I mean, I figured fat cat was just
somebody with money. Doesn't necessarily mean you're fat, but you're
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pretty much hopping all over town just whipping out that cash.
So when I looked it up, I was kind of
it was very interesting to see the makeup and background
of that statement. So fat cat is that the term
that I looked up from Wikipedia, which is the free encyclopedia,
and it says fat cat is a political term originally just.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Go ahead, I'm trying to find something. Go ahead, keep going.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Oh okay, So it says fat cat is a political
term originally describing a rich political donor, also called an
angel or a big money man. So I found that
to be extremely interesting because we are saying that these
are politically driven, you know, murders, some of these are
legitimately like to stop somebody even in their tracks of
you know, running for a particular office, as we've seen
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with some of these governors or senators that have lost
their children. I think that John Ramsey is probably right
up there with the amount of money that he was making,
it says. The New York Times has described fat cats
as symbols of a deeply corrupt campaign finance system riddled
with loopholes. How' that one make you feel?
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Oh? Yeah, he is exactly what they just described. But
there's another word that was used in political Im trying
to find it.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
No, but I'm just trying to cover the words that
are actually in this particular ransom note in fat cat
was one of the ones they used. I just thought
it was very interesting to note that it is a
symbol of a deeply corrupt campaign finance system riddled with loopholes.
That kind of like runs right up the alley of
this whole theory that we've got this group that's working
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for you know, the mob, the syndicates, the media, politicians,
or at least make creating a narrative for somebody who's
in power.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Right, Yeah, that's exactly what this whole thing is.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
With Americans seeing them as recipients of the perks of power,
but able to buy access and influence policy, and even
veto appointments. It is commonly used to describe a rich,
greedy person who, due to ownership of large amounts of capital,
is able to live easy off off the work of others.
In the UK, it is also used to refer to
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executives whose pay is deemed by others to be excessive.
The word was first used in the nineteen twenties in
the United States to describe rich political donors. The terms
coinage for political purposes has been attributed to Frank Kent,
a writer of the Baltimore Sun, whose essay fat Cats
and Free Rids appeared in The American Mercury, a magazine
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of commentary run by H. L. McKennon. And Kent wrote
a fat cat as a man of large means and
no political experience, who, having reached middle age and success
in business, and finding no further thrill of satisfaction in
the mere pilling piling up of more millions, develops a
yearning for some sort of public honor and is willing
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to pay for it. The machine has what it seeks
public honor, and he has the money. The machine needs
the nineteen sixty kss right. The nineteen sixty campaign for
the Democraocratic nomination to the presidency was marked by competition
between fellow Senators Hubert Humphrey and John F. Kennedy. Their
first meeting was in the Wisconsin primary, where Kennedy's well
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organized and well funded campaign defeated Humphrey's energetic but poorly
funded effort. Humphrey objected to the media, the Kennedy forces
are waging a psychological blitz that I cannot match. I'm
not the candidate of the fat cats. A nineteen seventy
two book by sociologist G. William Domhoff titled fat Cats
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and Democrats Interesting They put those together contrasted the Democratic
parties perceived populism with its funding structure. In dom Hooff's view,
the short of a nationwide system of public financing for candidates,
it seems likely that wealthy fat cats will find one
way or another to finance the candidates of their choice.
The campaign finance reforms following the Watergate scandal greatly reduced
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the amount of money that individ jewels could contribute to
a political campaign. In the words of Ben J. Wattenberg
the fat cats were driven from the temple. That's certainly
not true. They're just now taking the money more quietly, right, Huh.
I don't think any of this funding is.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
What does it say? What does it mean when they're
taking it from the temple? Like, what is it? A
figure of speech?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Were driven from the temple kind of like the evil
cast out by God? I would think, right, the temple,
I would think would be like church or or something
like that. Fat cats were driven from the temple. And
obviously it's a derogatory term.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
And who finds these organizations? Who are the donors?
Speaker 2 (26:40):
That's that's that well, it would be like Trump facilitating
the Clintons administration, right, he was a heavy donor donor
to their.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
But but we know about those donors. But I'm talking
about other donors for corporations uh that are.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Uh, they're looking for their agenda to be hass their legislation.
Do you know they're trying to get their person into
office so that they can somehow affect laws. Do you
have your hand up or are you waving off your
mom again? Yeah? No, I think that it literally boils
(27:23):
down to I think it's kind of like this whole
thing we had with the redistricting that was going on. Clearly,
the you know Democrats were willing to shut down America
and start America if they didn't get these hundreds of
billions of dollars to feed non Americans and foreign affair
foreign help. They are so adamant about wanting to do this,
They're willing to detriment the US you know, population in
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order to facilitate this agenda, which tells me that this
is very dollar to them. Well, this is very important
to them for some reason. If they're willing to starve
us and shut us down over this money they want
to be able to give to these people, What power
are they getting back from these people? This is a
this is a tip for tat guys. They're not doing
this out of the goodness of their hearts. They want
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to make it look like they're bleeding hearts that are
wanting to help everybody. But the reality is is that
there is some aguenda that's going to be met. They're
going to have to receive light kind benefits from these
individuals that they're pushing so hard for, and the fact
that they're willing to demise us over it is just
absolutely astounding, and yes, fifty passed.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
What did yob.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Knew someone?
Speaker 4 (28:36):
They're trying to be a text our land anytime they
want to. Anytime they want to, they can change the
amount of how much it's being taxed. They're trying to
pass that, and it was like ninety to ten said no,
and I was like, oh, yeah, that was never going
to pass. Like no, one that was never going to
pass to do that on their land. Well, but they
were trying to say that it was going to go
to these fire departments and all these other uh, low
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funded places.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
But that's not Yeah, but Newsom is using a primarily
democratic state under the rhetoric and the weaponization of the media,
stating that Trump had something to do with this redistricting,
when in fact he didn't. The redistricting of taxes which
occurred last year was based on the illegal mapping that
cut through racial areas, so there was a clear cut
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and they could see that this was biased against these
other races and that's why that redistricting happened. But there
was some rhetoric that was put out there at some point,
and it may be fake as well, because we know
the media is completely facilitating the narrative that we see
that the Democrats see, so they get everybody on board
as a Democrat to be mad that Trump is redistricting
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and he's jerry Mandarin and he's trying to steal votes.
He's not he I guess he made some comment to
taxes that give Republicans an extra five seats. Now whether
that was a joke or whether that was even really said,
we will never know. But that's what they're going to
tell the Democrats. Now. The Democrats are running around, let's
redistrict all of our states, and they're doing it as
a tent for tat. They're doing it in an call
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it a vote and say it's legal. I'm sorry, I
just don't buy that. We already voted. And when I
was reading it, there's many states that have done it
over the last year. California is one of the very
few that Newsom outwardly says, I'm doing this to gain
more Democratic seats to counter any Republican seats that are
gained over here. So he's legitimately the evil narcissist that
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wants to make things happen, and he asked the public
to do it, and he acts like that's some Legal Act,
and the Dems just don't seem to understand that's not
going away. Once we give them that redistricting power, I
highly doubt we'll see a pack And I think even
the news is already not describing it correctly because what
I read was that did you read the measure? Nolan?
(30:54):
Not completely? It said something like five years, So it
basically said that this was going to go on for
five years as a temporary thing and be given back.
And I knew that that would run them right through
Trump's presidency. Obviously. What they're clearly trying to do is
prevent a power poll by Republicans to continue in Senate
and Congress with Trump being a Republican in office, which
(31:17):
no big deal. But even my own media I almost
even turned off the radio station I love because they
said it was only three years. I said, no, did
you not read the measure? And why are you telling
the public three? It's five?
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I was blown away because when I counted it, out
of my mind, that surpasses the next three years of
Trump's presidency. So whatever, either way, it's all dirty, and
Knewsome did it dirty. Nobody did it dirty, while others
were actually redistricting for legitimate reasons, and who knows the
last time they were redistrict whether or not, that wasn't
something the Democrats had their hands and that gave them
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that power to begin with. This is just what we
don't know. I mean, nothing is on the up and up.
And you can't take any of this stuff or face value.
You just you're listening to the news and you think
that they're telling you the truth when back there doing
just the opposite.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Well, you had your and you have to go back
and do your own research with anything that anyone says
at this point.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Well, and that's why I did it. And I saw
all the other states that were doing and it looked
to me that Texas and Florida were doing it based
on inadequacies in the actual districting, and it was unfair
to those different races. So it was racially illegal for
them to have mapped those districts that way. Or there's
a possibility that even mid decade that the population we have,
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you know, x amount of people leaving California and going
to Idaho and too Florida and they're they're now you're
repopulating an area that is going to make those maps
districtly incorrect as far as the numbers and the people
that it represents. So I think that Florida and Yeah
and Texas were doing it based on those guidelines, and
everybody else just decided, oh, we're going to get in
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on this. But I think that the the one that
was really wrong was the one out there saying we're
going to prevent the gerrymandering when that's exactly what you
were doing, and California freaking bought it. What a bunch
of sheeples. Anyways, During a nineteen ninety seven thousand dollars
per plate dinner at the Hilton Washington for the Republican Party,
Oh funny that we go there, which The New York
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Times dubbed a lucrative display of the resilience of big
money campaign fundraising, street protesters calling for further reform, dressed
in fat cat costumes enchanted, hey, hey, ho ho, corporate
fat cats like Tim Gurlick have to go. In the
two thousand and eight Democratic race, a group of wealthy
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backers of Senator Hillary Clinton wrote to Speaker of the
House Nancy Pelosi, warning her they might withdraw financial support
for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee of Pelosi if did
not change her position on whether the party's super delegates
should support the party's pledged delegate leader. According to the
Center for Response of Politics, the signers included donors such
(33:55):
as HAMS. Saban and Robert L. Johnson, and had given
the party new twenty four million since two thousand. So
see where where did we cut off? Where do we
cut off how much money a person can donate? I
mean exactly here, that's a lot of money from one
two entities. In response to the grassroots Liberal Political Action Committee,
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move ON called the move the worst kind of insider politics,
billionaires bullying our elected leaders into ignoring the will of
the voters, but reassured members that when all pull, when
we all pull our resources together, we're stronger than the
fat cats.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
So let me tell you something about the donors, because
it does tie into this into everything. So, so another
way that they have been money laundering is through donors
and under disguise of donating money to other countries and
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other corporations that are tax free, even not tax free.
That's literally how they've been doing it. They've been they
so they don't go They probably still go through the
banks like they used to do with Bush. But and
back in yeah, you know senior Bush days. But they
caught onto the bank thing. So it's like, okay, well
(35:16):
we go to now we're that. Then they go to
uh doing it through donate donors.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
But with they would they well in their private right,
so you're not knowing who's donating the money. They're not
telling you, So that that.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Well, and they can only tell they can tell you
if they choose to which a lot of them do.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
There.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
You can go out there and look and see different
corporations who donates what, and it will list, but then
they'll also say, uh, it'll also list ones that are private,
but it just says private.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Well to me, this whole measure fifty thing is exactly
what I've been saying that. You know, this country was
built on illegal monies and gains. A lot of these
families that are the high flute and rich individuals that
own pretty mu much everything. Their money in the beginning
was made illegally, and then they turn around and became
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politicians with that money. They legitimize themselves in legitimate businesses
if you want to call it that, and then turn
around and run for political realm, and so that they
can change the legislation to benefit themselves, so they're no
longer breaking law. And that's basically what I saw with
Measure fifty is that he has now created a legal
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avenue to break the law and do exactly what he
shouldn't be doing, which is changing things specifically so specifically
create these democratic seats in order. But he's using it
as what he declares as a way to counteract or
counterbalance what it is that the Trump group is doing. Well.
(36:48):
Trump did not redistrict Texas guys. Maybe maybe he did
ask for an extra five seats, but who knows if
he'd have gotten them. Asking for him and getting them
is completely do different things either way.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
We can see it's that was very toud of it
with them, with the politicians, and.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Well, I look at money, I look at things that
our forefathers had anticipated and expected that there would not
be any monopolies. This was going to give everybody the
fair right to make or break themselves in America doing
whatever it is that they want to do. When the
reality is is that you have, you know, one person
who owns all of the cable companies, or at least
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a cable company in every single state. But they give
it a different name. So this is how they figured
out to overcome that monopoly situation is we'll just create
a law that says, if we name it something else,
call it something else, run it as a separate entity
in a different state, we can then monopolize the entire
United States in every state or city within with the
(37:46):
same exact business, making us a monopoly, but we call
it something else. So they just create a law so
that they're no longer breaking law, but they're benefiting and
making money from it. And that's why they're that's why
they're yeah, supporting different you know, political agendas or people
to get them into office so that they could create
the legislature that's going to then make them even more legal.
(38:06):
But it's all based on illegal Everybody out there, I
don't know what.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Why do they keep passing all these laws, Like okay,
one of the first children's laws was made by John Walsh.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
But but he's that law is supposed to be against
it's not for It's not like he create a law
that now allows him to be a pedophile. But that's
what I'm saying is happening in some of these cases,
especially with it you know, monopoly and businesses and one
person running.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Does it actually does the systems they use.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Helps them?
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Yeah, you identify right?
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, well yeah, it will help them to identify missing children.
I mean, well, it was supposed to help.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Identify missing ones that aren't missing.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
It did, I think initially when the program came about,
let's fingerprint your kids and get a DNA swab and
let's do all of this stuff, it literally legitimately did
help to identify children all across the United States. Maybe
just imagine what. Yeah, So, to finish off the fat
Cat series, it says the word has since acquired a
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meaning of rich, powerful person of possibly undeserved wealth. Now,
why would he call himself that, right? Why would he
or Patsy refer to themselves as somebody that's rich, powerful
and undeserved of their wealth. Because I'm pretty sure that
John Ramsey believes that his visits, well, I had read
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some things that indicated he had sold an outdated software
program to Lockheed was that I think it was, and
that the technology was due to change. So he's selling
them an old version of it. And evidently that was
a government contract for big money. And you were, yeah,
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you had some people that were pissed off in the end,
and maybe that could have been one of the reasons
that he, you know, suffered the loss that he suffered.
Either way, it says in the British media printed media,
a fat cat is usually depicted as a fat a
cat faced, clad in pinstripe suit. That's to me, mob, corpulent,
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middle aged man holding or smoking a thick cigar, representing
a Venyl banker or a high earner executive or captain
of an industry.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
And just describes literally all of them.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
All of them if.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
You think about it. They want you to think, there's
all these separate groups. Okay, you at the mob, the mafia,
the cartel, this, that, But these groups that are separate
cannot cannot function house without each other, without each other, yes,
and without communicating with each other exactly. Yep.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
So I have the Charla Void, Michigan address, I believe,
which was the Ramsey home. We I mean, we'll talk
about them not here in a second, But I don't
think that that eight year old Burke could have executed
that Garrett or that type of thought. She was found
covered in a white blanket and it was supposedly her
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favorite blanket, which has also been perceived as a message
of comfort. Usually, when somebody feels guilty or you know,
feels remorse for something that they have done, they will
you know, cover usually the face of the individual that
they've killed. I've seen in many cases. But to provide
them with some type of comfort also indicate some type
of a personal connection or that that person didn't really
(41:48):
want to commit that crime. Maybe that individual was being
forced to and then subsequently felt bad about it, but
was going to give her something of comfort which happened
to be her And either she was holding onto that
blanket when he stole We're from her bed, or he
was aware of the fact that that was the favorite
blanket on the Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Was was was Jack in the navy?
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yes? Yeah, So I lost you? I lost your sound?
Is it me, Nolan? Are you there? I'm here, yes, okay.
So I've just lost her. I don't see her, okay,
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so she's probably gonna have to come back on. So
I lost that sound, okay.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
So that not is identical, uh, to the the one
that was created in the Ramsey case, to the ones
the same exact way typically of that are that sailors
are taught in the Navy.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
And do you know the name of that not, because
that's something I've been on the search for. Did you
figure out what that knot was? I haven't.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
I haven't. Somewhere can.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
We're gonna look at some of the knots I've been collecting,
because of course this obviously intrigued me. And any place
that I go where they have fishing or crab or whatever,
they usually in those types of restaurants will have great, big,
huge framed versions of all different types of nautical knots.
So we'll look at that in the second let's see
so January thirty, first, twenty ten, mister David Temlack, South Carolinia,
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Myrtle Beach, Roadrunner Holding Company LLC and Time Warner Entertainment Company.
I have no clue why this is in here, but
I must have done some research that led me in
that direction. I don't know what that was about. Huh
okay anyways. Outsiders and intruder theories. The intruder theory suggests
an unknown individual entered the Ramsey home and committed the crime.
(43:47):
Supporters of this idea point to the unidentified DNA found
at the scene. Several individuals in the Ramsey social circle
were investigated, including family, friends, and household staff. No concrete
evidence linked to any of these people to the murder.
Some theories focused on a plausible pedophile ring targeting child
beauty pageant contestants. These claims remain unsubstantiated. Law enforcement explored
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connections to other unsolved child murders in the area, but
no definitive links were established. Later confessions gosh, we're about
five minutes in. Let's just go back with this whole.
I know that you believe that there's a possibility that
the Ramses know more about what occurred or happened to
their daughter. Is that correct? Lindsay, oh, yeah, so the
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pedophile ring. While I had heard that, I'm sure everybody
heard that, but you would have probably read that in
like the Esquire or the Star magazine or some of
these not So they want you to believe not so reputable,
right rags and tabloids, when reality is there's probably some truth,
maybe just a grain, but that they surround it by
something so sensational that it makes it look unbelievable. Right, Ye,
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So I think that there's a huge possibility, obviously, and
that even lends to the fact of later Confessions where
John Mark Carr confessed to John Bennese murder in two
thousand and six, attracting a significant media attention. His DNA
did not match the evidence from the crime scene, and
his confession was deemed false. So we have another person
here with inside information such as the ransom note contained, right,
(45:24):
whether he was force fed this or not, we are
going to definitely talk about him next week because as
we go into this stuff, he was literally busted and
e jailed for child pornography on his computer at school
where he worked. So we will get into and that
touch base obviously, right, that drew half of America over to,
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oh it's a pedophile ring.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
Well, and why does this happen so much? They bring
in this food, they think, oh, he might have done it,
and then oh, well he didn't do it. But we
found poor in his house, We found porn on his bone, We.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Found no, no, no, no, no, no, there was porn. There
was porn found on his computer in two thousand and one.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
I'm saying, I'm saying there's a many of them like this, many.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
No I know, no, I know. I'm just saying that
this is a patsy that they used. I think not
only to not only to perpetuate the Anthrax mailings in
Malaysia and Thailand, which is exactly where he absconded to,
but also to perpetuate the thought or concept that the
Zodiac was overseas and no longer in the US. And
we're going to show that through the different letters as
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we come to the end of this year presentation. We'll
look at letters to Tom Voight, We'll look at the
mailing of the Anthrax letters. Well, we'll look at a
lot of this stuff and how it all kind of
ties together. But John Mark Carr was under arrest, and
he was in jail, and for some reason, forty five
days before his trial, was released on his own recognisance,
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either to go get his affairs together or whatever it was.
I mean, you don't put this man in jail for
almost eight months and then let him go forty five
days before his trial and then he leaves the country
only to return after the Zodiac has passed away, and
all these other things that he has been tied to
kind of put this little ball into a neat little
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circle for us.
Speaker 4 (47:20):
It says Dean who George zen.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Is No, I have not not yet, and I don't
think we have enough time to kind of cover that.
We're down to our last couple minutes. But I'm going
to finish reading this slide hopefully, and then we'll go
to las Yeah, this slide, and then we'll go to
last minute statements. Other individuals have come forward over the
years claiming responsibility for the crime. None of these confessions
have been substantiated by evidence. Some armchair detectives and online
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sluice continue to propose new theories and potential suspects. These
claims are often speculative and lack solid investigated. Backing authorities
remain open to new leads and continue to investigate credible
information in their efforts to solve the Cave. Related Okay
genealogy research says that genetic genealogy has emerged as a
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powerful tool in criminal investigations. This method combines DNA analysis
with traditional genealogical research to identify potential suspects or relatives.
Law enforcement agencies now have access to vast genetic databases.
These resources will allow investigators to trace family trees and
find distant relatives of unidentified DNA samples. In this ongoing
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case of the John ben A. Ramsey, they have known
about these DNA We caught the Golden State killers several
years ago. Now why have they not applied? Why do
we not have results? Why haven't they told us through
this DNA matches at least genealogical at this point? How
have they traced this back and what's going on with it?
But I know John Ramsey talked about it in his
last docuseriies. So that puts us down to about our
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last minute. Is there anything either of you would like
to add?
Speaker 4 (48:56):
Okay, So, did you know they're going to do like
a Netflix a Netflix documentary like with the reenactment of
this whole saga of John Benay and then it was canceled?
Speaker 2 (49:07):
No, why would they do a ring.
Speaker 4 (49:11):
Or last month?
Speaker 2 (49:12):
So a reenactment over what took place against the Ramseys,
because there's no way to reenact a crime you weren't
there for.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
It was supposed to have. Melissa McCartney is as acting
as Patsy.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Wow, that sounds more like it's just hype for money,
like they are just going to the unsolved Zodiac case.
They're going to keep making money off this unsolved.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
What exactly it is? All?
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Right? Well, I and I want to hear about George
then when we come back. So next week, you guys, everybody,
have a wonderful weekend. We will see you next Friday
as we continue down the path of more at least
evidence in the John Benny Ramsey case. What we've seen
on the media, in newspapers and in magazines. You guys,
take care and have a great weekend.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
So yeah, you do
Speaker 2 (50:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:52):
Good Morning, tru seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
Today we're going to continue on with the John Vne
Ramsey evidence. We were working actually on a statement analysis
last week where we were talking about or discussing an
individual's analysis of the statements that were made in that
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ransom note. Let me see if I can collect his
name again real quick, Mark McLish. So, we had ended
out basically with a couple pages left to go over,
in which case he's breaking down the linguistics of the
ransom note. Of course, in this presentation he's attempting to
(01:35):
show how it is Pansy Ramsey that wrote this note. However,
the family has been cleared from any wrongdoing in this case,
well at least from actively having murdered their own daughter.
This was actually done? When did I say? This was done?
Two thousand and one, So this was basically about four
years after the death of John Vnay. And let's see
(01:57):
if we can get ourselves back to yes. Okay, So
and while we wait for Lindsay to come back with us. Oh,
here she is. Good morning, Lindsay mcbrear. Oh where is
your You're here, You're here, but I don't hear you.
Oh there you are. Ah, good morning morning. I'm exhausted.
(02:23):
I went deep sea fishing, yes, yesterday, and we did
not finish boiling the crabs until about midnight last night.
So I'm barely hanging in there. But We're gonna make
it through.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yay.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Oh well, yes, I'm good eating.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Well I didn't get to eat it yet, obviously. That
was all cutting prepping. Yeah, I'm doing all the things
except for eating. But that's okay. My mama made a
great meal for us when we got home, so we
had a hot meal at about nine thirty ten o'clock
at night. Ah. Well, we left off at the end
of the statement, analysis and examination of the ransom note,
(02:59):
so I'm just going to pick up where we left
off and if Nolan joins us today, I'm sure one
will pop him in, but I have not talked to
him to know whether or not he's going to be here. Yeah,
all right, so we left off where it was talking
about the kidnapper demanded one hundred and eighteen thousand from
the Ramseys and this is very unusual. Well, of course
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it's an unusual amount, but most people would ask for
a much larger amount. There's a reason why the writer
chose one hundred and eighteen. Even John Ramsey agrees that
that the number one eighteen is significant to the killer.
It has been reported that in nineteen ninety six, John
Ramsey received a bonus of one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars,
And he asks, is this a coincidence? When the writer
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had to think of a number, one hundred and eighteen
thousand was on his mind? How does that make you feel?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Definitely, excuse me, not on his mind, right, I don't
believe in coincidence. Is for one, and for two, you
don't get like the exact amount just randomly, like there's
no way.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Right, And I mean, of course they're they're alluding to
the fact that Ramsey's would have known this number, and
that of course ties them back to this note in
some fashion. But we've seen a lot of inside information
in some of these crimes, and of course this one
is no different. So the knowing of you know, where
her room was, where to take her from the entryway
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and exit out of the basement, I mean there was
a lot of inside knowledge obviously if a perpetratory to
come in and done this. And welcome Nolan del Campo
to the show. Good morning, everybody, Good morning, good morning.
Just got started back on the John Benne Ramsey statement analysis.
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I mean you're talking about one hundred and eighteen thousand,
which was consistent number with this of business.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
So the.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Person that is doing the statement analysis says in number six,
in lines thirteen through sixteen, the writer states, if we monitor,
we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery
of the money and hence an an earlier pickup of
your daughter. The word hence is a formal way of saying. Therefore,
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the writer starts out the ransom note misspelling words, giving
the appearance he is uneducated. However, his educatational level begins
to show when he uses words such as hence. This
author pretty much says, and I think everybody uses hents
now since this was such a big thing back in
nineteen ninety six, I hear a lot of people using hens.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
A word.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Are you not used at this week? I probably have.
We should look to see if this word appears in
any writings of Patsy Ramsey. And then they said, well
it does. On December fourteenth of nineteen ninety seven, the
First United Methodist Church in Boulder, Colorado held a memorial
service for John Bennet. In the program, there was a
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Christmas message from the Ramsey family. This message was also
posted on the Ramsey family's website. In the message, we
find the statement, had there been no birth of Price,
there would be no hope of eternal life and hence
no hope of ever being with our loved ones. Again,
I go back and forth on this because I think
we talked a little bit about hence last week right
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where I said that I'll do an examination and where
I've never executed a letter or formation in a certain way.
After studying it, say for three four days, I'll find
myself actually using that particular structure following that examination when
I know I've never used it before or so it's
almost as if it gets ingreened at your head and
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becomes part of your arsenal, if you will. And I
would have to say that she probably read this note
a million times, even after you know, John Beney was found,
probably trying to just rationalize what this note was saying.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Uh So, yeah, I think that it was just there.
I don't think there's any aspect of that word.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Honestly, what do you mean aspect?
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I don't think there's anything that uh, I mean, there's
nothing particular to me that seems would be with that word,
because I mean, I use that word, and.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I think that had this been a Christmas greeting from
the year previous to her dying, then that would throw
suspect on them. But since this is a year after
her death and they've read this word hence in this
letter who knows how many times, makes you feel as
though it could just have been. And of course we
are also using christ language, right, God language. I don't
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know how to say this correctly because I'm just not
a Christian. I'm not a religious person spiritual with the earth,
got this, but nope, this religious stuff is really kind
of just to be another organized money maker. But I
feel like hence is actually used right in that terminology,
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like in the Bible, may or may not have significance, don't.
I don't like Lindsay saying I don't see the importance
of it. Really doesn't really stand out to me. No,
For something that somebody picked out about what she wrote
a year after her daughter had died, that has no
importance to me. Had, like I said, had that been
the message the year before, then we might be talking
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about something. But even then, because they are such high
influential people, obviously with John Maney and all the pageants
and all followers and these kind of things, even if
they had done it ahead of time, that would have
been something another piece of insight information somebody may have
already known about her before writing this note, right Yeah, Well,
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he goes on to say, the word hence is a
transition word. You do not have to use the word
and with it. For example, the arcade was closed, hence
I spent my money at the mall. The writer of
the ransom note used the phrase, and hence in their
Christmas message, the Ramseys used this same exact phrase. Had
there been no birth of Christ, there would be no
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hope of eternal life and hence no hope of ever
being with our loved ones again again. They read this
in this note go ahead, Nolan, Oh, that's all right.
I just tried to kick my mom called I get
rid of her. Oh, I was like, I also feel
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like when we were dealing with the Zodiac that he
used a lot of non uh not need. He used
a lot of phrases that were not needed. So we
was basically double staying and doubling down on things and
statements in his own messages. So this is no different
to me. And like using the word rather and you know,
these these pretentious words that aren't necessary in the sentence
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because the sentence works without it, And we seen a
lot of that in the Zodiac, so this wasn't too
far off that mark.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Well, and you don't, I mean, I've never seen anybody
use and hands.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Well, that's because they mean the same thing.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
And of course, once again we're going back to the
fact that they've read this message about their daughter a
million times. I'm sure.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah, he around somebody all the time and they say
a certain saying like dude, then you're gonna eventually start
saying dude because you've been around them so much. I
mean I've picked it up from my kids.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
So, right, what was Yeah, there was one that people like, uh, irregardless. Right,
So the people say irregardless when that's not even technically
a word, it's regardless because irregardless pretty much means the
same thing regardless, like, and so yeah, I see people
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using that, and that's because again, like you just said, lindsay,
they listen to other people say it a lot of times.
And I used to actually say irregardless like way back
in the day, but learned that that was not the
correct way to state that word, and since have removed that.
So now I do get a little chuckle every now
and again when I hear somebody say irregardless, but I
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want to correct them. Not my place, you guys, roll
with it. If you haven't learned it yourself, you're not
going to learn it from me. As a journalist. I
learned early, long earlier on not to use irregardless.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Right, Well, And I was I was a that took
ap English in high school, and I took Advanced English
in college. So I'm like, I'm a writer too, So
I mean, I can't stand it. It draws me.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Notes when somebody says, yeah, I just.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Forget something's not right in the Senate. I'm like, oh
my god, why did they do this? Like that's really
the first thing I do.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Mine's editing. So if I read something that's not correctly
stated or has misspellings or the use of the incorrect words,
it drives my mind crazy. I can no longer focus
on what I'm supposed to be reading because I get
all caught up in their edits. And then I'm mad
that I'm having to read this with edits, and I'm
I'm done. I don't even want to look at it anymore.
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But I'm sure I have plenty of edit issues in
my presentation. I'm sure of it. I've seen many. None
of us are above it. So he goes on to
say the writer started to say that upon receiving the money,
he would delivered John Bennet to her parents. He then
realized that a kidnapped kidnapper would not deliver the hostage,
but would tell the authorities where she can be found.
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I thought that was a very interesting point there, because
you're right, the who's going to show up with this
kid in person and take the chances of being arrested yeah,
or is there your I Kennedy revealed at at minimum, Yeah,
what are you even gonna say? I gave her to
a friend like that friend isn't gonna go down until
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they cough you up. Come on.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
In their Lifetime movies and they're like, Okay, well i'll
drop I'm dropping her off at the fire department.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
If you do right, Yeah, you're gonna drop her somewhere
and tell her where she can be found, which is
basically what he's saying here. He says, Therefore, it's such
a long letter and it's just a rust. Yes, it's
just weird. I think that's what made everybody want to
look at the Ramsays because it was I mean, it's
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something you had to sit around and have time to do.
But I feel like that's prime frame in which she
discovered the note and called the police. She didn't heed
or pay attention to the note that said do not
contact the police. It's literally what she did do. So
I mean, if you're telling me that she called all
of her friends, got all of her friends over there,
and then they all sat around trying to put together
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this note to get the Ramsays out of trouble again,
I think you have some issues with that philosophy. It
just doesn't get any water well.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
And it's like constantly the person that's writing it is
constantly explaining, constantly.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Right and over explaining the over disclosures. So he goes
on to talk about this whole we would deliver, and
of course this word was then I believe, crossed out,
so he said, therefore he changed it to pick up.
So first he said we'll deliver her, then he classed
that out and changed it to pick up. It's doubtful
that a kidnapper would make this mistake. More importantly, the
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e and examination of the author's writing style shows us
that whatever comes before the phrase and hence is supposed
to come after the phrase. And hence, so I thought
this was also an interesting take. They put in here
that seeing we might call you early to arrange an
earlier delivery of the money, and hence a earlier delivery.
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But then he crossed that out pick up of your daughter.
And so the author in this letter is using it
correctly right, it's before and after. And in their book
The Death of Innocence, Patsy Ramsey addresses the use of
the phrase and hence she says, actually, I have no
idea why we use that phrase. Maybe we'd seen it
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so many times in reading the ransom note and having
to write it over and over again for the police,
that it became part of our subconscious vocabulary. She is
one hundred percent correct. I just described this as a
document examiner. It says, who knows? Then again, maybe people
everywhere use the phrase and hence every day of the week,
because it's a normal part of the English life, which,
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as Lindsay mentioned, it says, like I said, when was
the last time you used that phrase? This guy wants
you to believe that it's just not something that's often used,
so he goes on to say it is not part
of the normal English vocabulary. Patsy Ramsey does not tell
us why they used the phrase Hello Da. Did you
not just hear her say? She only says maybe it
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is because they saw it in the ransom note and
had to write it several times for the police. She
then asked a question who knows? She doesn't know it
is I literally didn't know why I used that formation
the next day when I know that was not in
my writing arsenal the day before, or you know, previous
to that examination says, she is trying to sweep this
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under the carpet, as if it is no big deal. However,
this is a very big deal. We have the same
phrase that is in the ransom note appearing in their writings.
On October twelfth of two thousand, the Ramseys did a
webcast interview with I'm sure that's not our governor right.
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In the interview, John Ramsey makes the following statement, the
justice justice system is a government organization, ding ding ding,
and hence should be looked at with some degree of skepticism.
Many Ramsey supporters believe the Ramseys did subconsciously adopt the
phrase and hence found it in the ransom and found
it in the ransom note. It says, Okay, I will
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admit it as possible, but let's take a look at
the phrase. And hence, when we look at the original
ransom note, we find the writer had crossed out a word,
and that's the word delivery. We see the same writing
style in the Ramsey's Christmas message. Had there been well,
we've already read that, and hence no hope of ever
being with our loved ones again. So the Ramsey supporters
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would have us believe that the Ramsey's not only adopted
the word hence, they also adopted the phrase and hence
oh my god. And they also adopted the killer's writing style,
but not probable. So he doesn't seem to understand is
he's trying to bifurcate the two words. That is exactly
how it was written in the note.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
It seems like to me, is what So a lot
of cops do this, A lot of cops and investigators,
like with a case, they know their correct protocol to
look at every angle, but it's like a lot of
times they don't, and they are they are phyxiated on
on one group of people or one person, and then
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that gets distraction from everything else. So then like they're
so focused that they try to fit the puzzle pieces
together that will not fit in together, but they try
to fit them. It's like they force them. And so
that seems like what they're doing here, and it's like
they're forcing it to fit there what they think, even
though it may not be for any nefarious reason, because
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most of times it's not. I mean, there are of this,
but I mean you gotta if you think about it
as you it puts yourself in that chair like then
you can see what I'm saying. Like you, you wanted
to be this because you want to be the one
that solve it. But you can't be like that. And
so that's where they messed up.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I think, well, I mean, when this guy tries to
say that and hence is something that you know is
their writing style. Once again, they read and hent they
read and hence as many times as they read the
word hence in this note, right, had they never seen
this note, had this note never been you know, something
that they located inside of the house and they had
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never seen the and hence statement, then it becomes very
significant that you find them using it in everyday life
or communications, because that is in fact the way they write.
But in this particular case, and hence it goes together.
So why this author is trying to, you know, state
that it's bifurcated and the fact that that it's together
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makes that more significant when that's exactly how they read
it a probably one hundred million times, who knows how
many times she had to write this note. That will
also instill the nhance into your arsenal. I tell people
that when I'm a wordy, so when I learn a
new word. I want to say it as many times
possible in a proper sentence throughout the week, so that
it becomes a part of my arsenal. And I they
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say twenty one times makes a habit, right, So how
many times has she a read this and wrote this?
And I'm pretty sure that it's likely more than twenty
one times, which would now have instilled it in her arsenal.
I think the author has just got it backwards, like
if the timeframes are swopped or they never saw this letter,
then yes, that would be significant. But to me it
simply is not. And again it's an overuse or word
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salad if you will. That's what I called a zodiac right.
He'd use multiple words in a single sentence, and some
of them weren't necessary, but they basically meant the same thing. Well,
all that takes us to fat Cat. I don't know
if you guys, what is your perception of fat cat? O?
Speaker 4 (20:59):
God?
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Mm hm, someone that's the rich? Yeah, in kind of
a what's what's the word over the top A little
bit yep, this little version of this fact.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
I want to know that that that they have money
and power, right well, or want somebody to know or
that's somebody's perception of.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Right yea. And with a lot of the things that
I did with the Zodiac, I would look up some
of the phrasing. You know, we found a lot of
it to be very Southern. Some of it originated actually
from love Att, Texas, where Jack originated himself. So of
course I ran a look up to see what fat
cat meant. I mean, I figured fat cat was just
somebody with money. Doesn't necessarily mean you're fat, but you're
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pretty much hopping all over town just whipping out that cash.
So when I looked it up, I was kind of
it was very interesting to see the makeup and background
of that statement. So fat cat is that the term
that I looked up from Wikipedia, which is the free encyclopedia,
and it says fat cat is a political term originally just.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Go ahead, I'm trying to find something. Go ahead, keep going.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Oh okay, So it says fat cat is a political
term originally describing a rich political donor, also called an
angel or a big money man. So I found that
to be extremely interesting because we are saying that these
are politically driven, you know, murders, some of these are
legitimately like to stop somebody even in their tracks of
you know, running for a particular office, as we've seen
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with some of these governors or senators that have lost
their children. I think that John Ramsey is probably right
up there with the amount of money that he was making,
it says. The New York Times has described fat cats
as symbols of a deeply corrupt campaign finance system riddled
with loopholes. How' that one make you feel?
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Oh? Yeah, he is exactly what they just described. But
there's another word that was used in political Im trying
to find it.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
No, but I'm just trying to cover the words that
are actually in this particular ransom note in fat cat
was one of the ones they used. I just thought
it was very interesting to note that it is a
symbol of a deeply corrupt campaign finance system riddled with loopholes.
That kind of like runs right up the alley of
this whole theory that we've got this group that's working
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for you know, the mob, the syndicates, the media, politicians,
or at least make creating a narrative for somebody who's
in power.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Right, Yeah, that's exactly what this whole thing is.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
With Americans seeing them as recipients of the perks of power,
but able to buy access and influence policy, and even
veto appointments. It is commonly used to describe a rich,
greedy person who, due to ownership of large amounts of capital,
is able to live easy off off the work of others.
In the UK, it is also used to refer to
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executives whose pay is deemed by others to be excessive.
The word was first used in the nineteen twenties in
the United States to describe rich political donors. The terms
coinage for political purposes has been attributed to Frank Kent,
a writer of the Baltimore Sun, whose essay fat Cats
and Free Rids appeared in The American Mercury, a magazine
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of commentary run by H. L. McKennon. And Kent wrote
a fat cat as a man of large means and
no political experience, who, having reached middle age and success
in business, and finding no further thrill of satisfaction in
the mere pilling piling up of more millions, develops a
yearning for some sort of public honor and is willing
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to pay for it. The machine has what it seeks
public honor, and he has the money. The machine needs
the nineteen sixty kss right. The nineteen sixty campaign for
the Democraocratic nomination to the presidency was marked by competition
between fellow Senators Hubert Humphrey and John F. Kennedy. Their
first meeting was in the Wisconsin primary, where Kennedy's well
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organized and well funded campaign defeated Humphrey's energetic but poorly
funded effort. Humphrey objected to the media, the Kennedy forces
are waging a psychological blitz that I cannot match. I'm
not the candidate of the fat cats. A nineteen seventy
two book by sociologist G. William Domhoff titled fat Cats
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and Democrats Interesting They put those together contrasted the Democratic
parties perceived populism with its funding structure. In dom Hooff's view,
the short of a nationwide system of public financing for candidates,
it seems likely that wealthy fat cats will find one
way or another to finance the candidates of their choice.
The campaign finance reforms following the Watergate scandal greatly reduced
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the amount of money that individ jewels could contribute to
a political campaign. In the words of Ben J. Wattenberg
the fat cats were driven from the temple. That's certainly
not true. They're just now taking the money more quietly, right, Huh.
I don't think any of this funding is.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
What does it say? What does it mean when they're
taking it from the temple? Like, what is it? A
figure of speech?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Were driven from the temple kind of like the evil
cast out by God? I would think, right, the temple,
I would think would be like church or or something
like that. Fat cats were driven from the temple. And
obviously it's a derogatory term.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
And who finds these organizations? Who are the donors?
Speaker 2 (26:40):
That's that's that well, it would be like Trump facilitating
the Clintons administration, right, he was a heavy donor donor
to their.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
But but we know about those donors. But I'm talking
about other donors for corporations uh that are.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Uh, they're looking for their agenda to be hass their legislation.
Do you know they're trying to get their person into
office so that they can somehow affect laws. Do you
have your hand up or are you waving off your
mom again? Yeah? No, I think that it literally boils
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down to I think it's kind of like this whole
thing we had with the redistricting that was going on. Clearly,
the you know Democrats were willing to shut down America
and start America if they didn't get these hundreds of
billions of dollars to feed non Americans and foreign affair
foreign help. They are so adamant about wanting to do this,
They're willing to detriment the US you know, population in
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order to facilitate this agenda, which tells me that this
is very dollar to them. Well, this is very important
to them for some reason. If they're willing to starve
us and shut us down over this money they want
to be able to give to these people, What power
are they getting back from these people? This is a
this is a tip for tat guys. They're not doing
this out of the goodness of their hearts. They want
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to make it look like they're bleeding hearts that are
wanting to help everybody. But the reality is is that
there is some aguenda that's going to be met. They're
going to have to receive light kind benefits from these
individuals that they're pushing so hard for, and the fact
that they're willing to demise us over it is just
absolutely astounding, and yes, fifty passed.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
What did yob.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Knew someone?
Speaker 4 (28:36):
They're trying to be a text our land anytime they
want to. Anytime they want to, they can change the
amount of how much it's being taxed. They're trying to
pass that, and it was like ninety to ten said no,
and I was like, oh, yeah, that was never going
to pass. Like no, one that was never going to
pass to do that on their land. Well, but they
were trying to say that it was going to go
to these fire departments and all these other uh, low
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funded places.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
But that's not Yeah, but Newsom is using a primarily
democratic state under the rhetoric and the weaponization of the media,
stating that Trump had something to do with this redistricting,
when in fact he didn't. The redistricting of taxes which
occurred last year was based on the illegal mapping that
cut through racial areas, so there was a clear cut
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and they could see that this was biased against these
other races and that's why that redistricting happened. But there
was some rhetoric that was put out there at some point,
and it may be fake as well, because we know
the media is completely facilitating the narrative that we see
that the Democrats see, so they get everybody on board
as a Democrat to be mad that Trump is redistricting
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and he's jerry Mandarin and he's trying to steal votes.
He's not he I guess he made some comment to
taxes that give Republicans an extra five seats. Now whether
that was a joke or whether that was even really said,
we will never know. But that's what they're going to
tell the Democrats. Now. The Democrats are running around, let's
redistrict all of our states, and they're doing it as
a tent for tat. They're doing it in an call
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it a vote and say it's legal. I'm sorry, I
just don't buy that. We already voted. And when I
was reading it, there's many states that have done it
over the last year. California is one of the very
few that Newsom outwardly says, I'm doing this to gain
more Democratic seats to counter any Republican seats that are
gained over here. So he's legitimately the evil narcissist that
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wants to make things happen, and he asked the public
to do it, and he acts like that's some Legal Act,
and the Dems just don't seem to understand that's not
going away. Once we give them that redistricting power, I
highly doubt we'll see a pack And I think even
the news is already not describing it correctly because what
I read was that did you read the measure? Nolan?
(30:54):
Not completely? It said something like five years, So it
basically said that this was going to go on for
five years as a temporary thing and be given back.
And I knew that that would run them right through
Trump's presidency. Obviously. What they're clearly trying to do is
prevent a power poll by Republicans to continue in Senate
and Congress with Trump being a Republican in office, which
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no big deal. But even my own media I almost
even turned off the radio station I love because they
said it was only three years. I said, no, did
you not read the measure? And why are you telling
the public three? It's five?
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I was blown away because when I counted it, out
of my mind, that surpasses the next three years of
Trump's presidency. So whatever, either way, it's all dirty, and
Knewsome did it dirty. Nobody did it dirty, while others
were actually redistricting for legitimate reasons, and who knows the
last time they were redistrict whether or not, that wasn't
something the Democrats had their hands and that gave them
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that power to begin with. This is just what we
don't know. I mean, nothing is on the up and up.
And you can't take any of this stuff or face value.
You just you're listening to the news and you think
that they're telling you the truth when back there doing
just the opposite.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Well, you had your and you have to go back
and do your own research with anything that anyone says
at this point.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Well, and that's why I did it. And I saw
all the other states that were doing and it looked
to me that Texas and Florida were doing it based
on inadequacies in the actual districting, and it was unfair
to those different races. So it was racially illegal for
them to have mapped those districts that way. Or there's
a possibility that even mid decade that the population we have,
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you know, x amount of people leaving California and going
to Idaho and too Florida and they're they're now you're
repopulating an area that is going to make those maps
districtly incorrect as far as the numbers and the people
that it represents. So I think that Florida and Yeah
and Texas were doing it based on those guidelines, and
everybody else just decided, oh, we're going to get in
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on this. But I think that the the one that
was really wrong was the one out there saying we're
going to prevent the gerrymandering when that's exactly what you
were doing, and California freaking bought it. What a bunch
of sheeples. Anyways, During a nineteen ninety seven thousand dollars
per plate dinner at the Hilton Washington for the Republican Party,
Oh funny that we go there, which The New York
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Times dubbed a lucrative display of the resilience of big
money campaign fundraising, street protesters calling for further reform, dressed
in fat cat costumes enchanted, hey, hey, ho ho, corporate
fat cats like Tim Gurlick have to go. In the
two thousand and eight Democratic race, a group of wealthy
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backers of Senator Hillary Clinton wrote to Speaker of the
House Nancy Pelosi, warning her they might withdraw financial support
for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee of Pelosi if did
not change her position on whether the party's super delegates
should support the party's pledged delegate leader. According to the
Center for Response of Politics, the signers included donors such
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as HAMS. Saban and Robert L. Johnson, and had given
the party new twenty four million since two thousand. So
see where where did we cut off? Where do we
cut off how much money a person can donate? I
mean exactly here, that's a lot of money from one
two entities. In response to the grassroots Liberal Political Action Committee,
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move ON called the move the worst kind of insider politics,
billionaires bullying our elected leaders into ignoring the will of
the voters, but reassured members that when all pull, when
we all pull our resources together, we're stronger than the
fat cats.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
So let me tell you something about the donors, because
it does tie into this into everything. So, so another
way that they have been money laundering is through donors
and under disguise of donating money to other countries and
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other corporations that are tax free, even not tax free.
That's literally how they've been doing it. They've been they
so they don't go They probably still go through the
banks like they used to do with Bush. But and
back in yeah, you know senior Bush days. But they
caught onto the bank thing. So it's like, okay, well
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we go to now we're that. Then they go to
uh doing it through donate donors.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
But with they would they well in their private right,
so you're not knowing who's donating the money. They're not
telling you, So that that.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Well, and they can only tell they can tell you
if they choose to which a lot of them do.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
There.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
You can go out there and look and see different
corporations who donates what, and it will list, but then
they'll also say, uh, it'll also list ones that are private,
but it just says private.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Well to me, this whole measure fifty thing is exactly
what I've been saying that. You know, this country was
built on illegal monies and gains. A lot of these
families that are the high flute and rich individuals that
own pretty mu much everything. Their money in the beginning
was made illegally, and then they turn around and became
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politicians with that money. They legitimize themselves in legitimate businesses
if you want to call it that, and then turn
around and run for political realm, and so that they
can change the legislation to benefit themselves, so they're no
longer breaking law. And that's basically what I saw with
Measure fifty is that he has now created a legal
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avenue to break the law and do exactly what he
shouldn't be doing, which is changing things specifically so specifically
create these democratic seats in order. But he's using it
as what he declares as a way to counteract or
counterbalance what it is that the Trump group is doing. Well.
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Trump did not redistrict Texas guys. Maybe maybe he did
ask for an extra five seats, but who knows if
he'd have gotten them. Asking for him and getting them
is completely do different things either way.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
We can see it's that was very toud of it
with them, with the politicians, and.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Well, I look at money, I look at things that
our forefathers had anticipated and expected that there would not
be any monopolies. This was going to give everybody the
fair right to make or break themselves in America doing
whatever it is that they want to do. When the
reality is is that you have, you know, one person
who owns all of the cable companies, or at least
(37:25):
a cable company in every single state. But they give
it a different name. So this is how they figured
out to overcome that monopoly situation is we'll just create
a law that says, if we name it something else,
call it something else, run it as a separate entity
in a different state, we can then monopolize the entire
United States in every state or city within with the
(37:46):
same exact business, making us a monopoly, but we call
it something else. So they just create a law so
that they're no longer breaking law, but they're benefiting and
making money from it. And that's why they're that's why
they're yeah, supporting different you know, political agendas or people
to get them into office so that they could create
the legislature that's going to then make them even more legal.
(38:06):
But it's all based on illegal Everybody out there, I
don't know what.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Why do they keep passing all these laws, Like okay,
one of the first children's laws was made by John Walsh.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
But but he's that law is supposed to be against
it's not for It's not like he create a law
that now allows him to be a pedophile. But that's
what I'm saying is happening in some of these cases,
especially with it you know, monopoly and businesses and one
person running.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Does it actually does the systems they use.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Helps them?
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Yeah, you identify right?
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, well yeah, it will help them to identify missing children.
I mean, well, it was supposed to help.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Identify missing ones that aren't missing.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
It did, I think initially when the program came about,
let's fingerprint your kids and get a DNA swab and
let's do all of this stuff, it literally legitimately did
help to identify children all across the United States. Maybe
just imagine what. Yeah, So, to finish off the fat
Cat series, it says the word has since acquired a
(39:27):
meaning of rich, powerful person of possibly undeserved wealth. Now,
why would he call himself that, right? Why would he
or Patsy refer to themselves as somebody that's rich, powerful
and undeserved of their wealth. Because I'm pretty sure that
John Ramsey believes that his visits, well, I had read
(39:49):
some things that indicated he had sold an outdated software
program to Lockheed was that I think it was, and
that the technology was due to change. So he's selling
them an old version of it. And evidently that was
a government contract for big money. And you were, yeah,
(40:10):
you had some people that were pissed off in the end,
and maybe that could have been one of the reasons
that he, you know, suffered the loss that he suffered.
Either way, it says in the British media printed media,
a fat cat is usually depicted as a fat a
cat faced, clad in pinstripe suit. That's to me, mob, corpulent,
(40:30):
middle aged man holding or smoking a thick cigar, representing
a Venyl banker or a high earner executive or captain
of an industry.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
And just describes literally all of them.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
All of them if.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
You think about it. They want you to think, there's
all these separate groups. Okay, you at the mob, the mafia,
the cartel, this, that, But these groups that are separate
cannot cannot function house without each other, without each other, yes,
and without communicating with each other exactly. Yep.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
So I have the Charla Void, Michigan address, I believe,
which was the Ramsey home. We I mean, we'll talk
about them not here in a second, But I don't
think that that eight year old Burke could have executed
that Garrett or that type of thought. She was found
covered in a white blanket and it was supposedly her
(41:28):
favorite blanket, which has also been perceived as a message
of comfort. Usually, when somebody feels guilty or you know,
feels remorse for something that they have done, they will
you know, cover usually the face of the individual that
they've killed. I've seen in many cases. But to provide
them with some type of comfort also indicate some type
of a personal connection or that that person didn't really
(41:48):
want to commit that crime. Maybe that individual was being
forced to and then subsequently felt bad about it, but
was going to give her something of comfort which happened
to be her And either she was holding onto that
blanket when he stole We're from her bed, or he
was aware of the fact that that was the favorite
blanket on the Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Was was was Jack in the navy?
Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yes? Yeah, So I lost you? I lost your sound?
Is it me, Nolan? Are you there? I'm here, yes, okay.
So I've just lost her. I don't see her, okay,
(42:34):
so she's probably gonna have to come back on. So
I lost that sound, okay.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
So that not is identical, uh, to the the one
that was created in the Ramsey case, to the ones
the same exact way typically of that are that sailors
are taught in the Navy.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
And do you know the name of that not, because
that's something I've been on the search for. Did you
figure out what that knot was? I haven't.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
I haven't. Somewhere can.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
We're gonna look at some of the knots I've been collecting,
because of course this obviously intrigued me. And any place
that I go where they have fishing or crab or whatever,
they usually in those types of restaurants will have great, big,
huge framed versions of all different types of nautical knots.
So we'll look at that in the second let's see
so January thirty, first, twenty ten, mister David Temlack, South Carolinia,
(43:25):
Myrtle Beach, Roadrunner Holding Company LLC and Time Warner Entertainment Company.
I have no clue why this is in here, but
I must have done some research that led me in
that direction. I don't know what that was about. Huh
okay anyways. Outsiders and intruder theories. The intruder theory suggests
an unknown individual entered the Ramsey home and committed the crime.
(43:47):
Supporters of this idea point to the unidentified DNA found
at the scene. Several individuals in the Ramsey social circle
were investigated, including family, friends, and household staff. No concrete
evidence linked to any of these people to the murder.
Some theories focused on a plausible pedophile ring targeting child
beauty pageant contestants. These claims remain unsubstantiated. Law enforcement explored
(44:12):
connections to other unsolved child murders in the area, but
no definitive links were established. Later confessions gosh, we're about
five minutes in. Let's just go back with this whole.
I know that you believe that there's a possibility that
the Ramses know more about what occurred or happened to
their daughter. Is that correct? Lindsay, oh, yeah, so the
(44:36):
pedophile ring. While I had heard that, I'm sure everybody
heard that, but you would have probably read that in
like the Esquire or the Star magazine or some of
these not So they want you to believe not so reputable,
right rags and tabloids, when reality is there's probably some truth,
maybe just a grain, but that they surround it by
something so sensational that it makes it look unbelievable. Right, Ye,
(45:00):
So I think that there's a huge possibility, obviously, and
that even lends to the fact of later Confessions where
John Mark Carr confessed to John Bennese murder in two
thousand and six, attracting a significant media attention. His DNA
did not match the evidence from the crime scene, and
his confession was deemed false. So we have another person
here with inside information such as the ransom note contained, right,
(45:24):
whether he was force fed this or not, we are
going to definitely talk about him next week because as
we go into this stuff, he was literally busted and
e jailed for child pornography on his computer at school
where he worked. So we will get into and that
touch base obviously, right, that drew half of America over to,
(45:45):
oh it's a pedophile ring.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
Well, and why does this happen so much? They bring
in this food, they think, oh, he might have done it,
and then oh, well he didn't do it. But we
found poor in his house, We found porn on his bone, We.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Found no, no, no, no, no, no, there was porn. There
was porn found on his computer in two thousand and one.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
I'm saying, I'm saying there's a many of them like this, many.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
No I know, no, I know. I'm just saying that
this is a patsy that they used. I think not
only to not only to perpetuate the Anthrax mailings in
Malaysia and Thailand, which is exactly where he absconded to,
but also to perpetuate the thought or concept that the
Zodiac was overseas and no longer in the US. And
we're going to show that through the different letters as
(46:35):
we come to the end of this year presentation. We'll
look at letters to Tom Voight, We'll look at the
mailing of the Anthrax letters. Well, we'll look at a
lot of this stuff and how it all kind of
ties together. But John Mark Carr was under arrest, and
he was in jail, and for some reason, forty five
days before his trial, was released on his own recognisance,
(46:57):
either to go get his affairs together or whatever it was.
I mean, you don't put this man in jail for
almost eight months and then let him go forty five
days before his trial and then he leaves the country
only to return after the Zodiac has passed away, and
all these other things that he has been tied to
kind of put this little ball into a neat little
(47:17):
circle for us.
Speaker 4 (47:20):
It says Dean who George zen.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Is No, I have not not yet, and I don't
think we have enough time to kind of cover that.
We're down to our last couple minutes. But I'm going
to finish reading this slide hopefully, and then we'll go
to las Yeah, this slide, and then we'll go to
last minute statements. Other individuals have come forward over the
years claiming responsibility for the crime. None of these confessions
have been substantiated by evidence. Some armchair detectives and online
(47:46):
sluice continue to propose new theories and potential suspects. These
claims are often speculative and lack solid investigated. Backing authorities
remain open to new leads and continue to investigate credible
information in their efforts to solve the Cave. Related Okay
genealogy research says that genetic genealogy has emerged as a
(48:07):
powerful tool in criminal investigations. This method combines DNA analysis
with traditional genealogical research to identify potential suspects or relatives.
Law enforcement agencies now have access to vast genetic databases.
These resources will allow investigators to trace family trees and
find distant relatives of unidentified DNA samples. In this ongoing
(48:28):
case of the John ben A. Ramsey, they have known
about these DNA We caught the Golden State killers several
years ago. Now why have they not applied? Why do
we not have results? Why haven't they told us through
this DNA matches at least genealogical at this point? How
have they traced this back and what's going on with it?
But I know John Ramsey talked about it in his
last docuseriies. So that puts us down to about our
(48:52):
last minute. Is there anything either of you would like
to add?
Speaker 4 (48:56):
Okay, So, did you know they're going to do like
a Netflix a Netflix documentary like with the reenactment of
this whole saga of John Benay and then it was canceled?
Speaker 2 (49:07):
No, why would they do a ring.
Speaker 4 (49:11):
Or last month?
Speaker 2 (49:12):
So a reenactment over what took place against the Ramseys,
because there's no way to reenact a crime you weren't
there for.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
It was supposed to have. Melissa McCartney is as acting
as Patsy.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Wow, that sounds more like it's just hype for money,
like they are just going to the unsolved Zodiac case.
They're going to keep making money off this unsolved.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
What exactly it is? All?
Speaker 2 (49:39):
Right? Well, I and I want to hear about George
then when we come back. So next week, you guys, everybody,
have a wonderful weekend. We will see you next Friday
as we continue down the path of more at least
evidence in the John Benny Ramsey case. What we've seen
on the media, in newspapers and in magazines. You guys,
take care and have a great weekend.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
So yeah, you do
Speaker 2 (50:01):
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