Couple Murdered & a Small Town’s Secrets Begin to Surface

Couple Murdered & a Small Town’s Secrets Begin to Surface

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Johnson, County nine one one. I need the name. It
was bad. Okay, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (00:25):
He attained my response.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Okay, I can't sign the Paul.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Oh my gosh, blood on it.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Oh my god, there's a baby here. The blood on
the baby. He don't look right. The mom is bleeding
to there's what I wanted to her on the floor,
sit down and looks like she's trying to get to
her baby. Okay, is it like a fab round or
I don't know. I've not touched him.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
There's no pulse.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I'm needing one of them. They're both badies too. Oh god.
What's the female's name, Billy Jane? Okay, how's the baby
does she's not crying, he's awake. The baby looks like
maybe it's been ups hit crime for a while and
probably cried till we can't cry more. Okay, the squad's coming,

(01:18):
cauld I hang up now, please.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
In the twenty first century, we leave behind the digital
story of our lives, chronicle of our greatest triumphs, but
also our darkest nightmares.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
It was the question on the minds of many, what
could prompt anyone to brutally kill Billy Payne Junior and
Billy Jean Hayworth inside their home while in the presence
of their little baby.

Speaker 6 (02:03):
And now joining me on the Ecronomicast hotline.

Speaker 5 (02:06):
Tracy Greenwell bills your older brother.

Speaker 7 (02:10):
Yes, he's three years older than me. Whatever he did,
we done it together. Every time we left each other's side.
You know, most people say, oh, I love you, you know whatever,
good night. We'd stick our tongue out and say, got
you last. I've never seen anybody that wanted to go
like he did. You couldn't tie him down. He worked

(02:32):
twelve hour shifts and then it didn't matter.

Speaker 8 (02:34):
He would go.

Speaker 7 (02:36):
We'd got a backbone rock and repel off the backbone rock.
That was one of our every weekend things.

Speaker 8 (02:51):
He had a Mustang. Everybody wanted his must Tang. I
always had the door open. You may want to come in,
come home. I went downtow one day.

Speaker 7 (03:02):
There was cars all over the place. I said, what
are they doing over there? They was having a cookout
Fourth of July. I mean, everybody in the county was there.
You thought this was having the big fireworks from town there.

Speaker 8 (03:14):
But that's just how he was.

Speaker 7 (03:24):
Jamie was a little bit older than us Christmas dinners
we would have at our grandma's.

Speaker 8 (03:29):
We had always I'll be there. He was family.

Speaker 7 (03:39):
They both worked at the cotton factory Parked Mills. They
started talking to each other there and he fell head
over heels for her.

Speaker 8 (03:49):
She was a lot younger than Billy. She along everybody.
I don't think I ever sooner mad. She was a sweetheart.

Speaker 7 (04:06):
It's like fate brought them together because he was getting older.
It's time to chill out. And it took somebody like
Village James to come into his life to make you
want to do that. And I feel like he just
fell in love with her and he was done with
it all.

Speaker 8 (04:20):
They were a perfect comple.

Speaker 6 (04:36):
This is a house that is in a rural area,
but it's still got some neighbors around it. It's a
very small house. There's a back entrance way which is
a sliding door.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Their faces are swells. They're black and blue over the
coles their watch.

Speaker 6 (04:56):
Bill Payne's body was laying on top of the bed.
He was clothed in only his shorts that we presume
he was sleeping in, and he had a gunshot wound
to his face below his left eye.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
I see blood around the throat.

Speaker 9 (05:14):
Oh gosh.

Speaker 6 (05:17):
He also had a large slice wound around his neck.
Billy Jean Hayworth's body was found in another bedroom with
a single gunshot wound to the side of her head
and within her arms was her seven month old baby, Tyler,
who was still alive.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
See Donald looks like she started to get to her baby.

Speaker 10 (06:02):
To say fair as they rock.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
Doson mof he died.

Speaker 6 (06:14):
Mountain City is at the very northeast tip of Tennessee.
It borders both Virginia and North Carolina. It's a very
rural county, very mountainous. Basically, everybody knows everyone else. There's
not a lot of secrets, so the police are able

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to narrow down the people who had a beef with
the victims very quickly.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Today is February the one, twenty twelve.

Speaker 8 (06:48):
Agent Lawton myself are en route.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Speak to missus Janelle Potter.

Speaker 11 (06:59):
Second JAF anybody and everybody had any contact with a
pet poles or anything like that.

Speaker 12 (07:19):
They have been harassing and living prop got got friends

(07:46):
and everything.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Have you posted on the back.

Speaker 8 (08:00):
That's all I've ever said.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
I feel bad about the situation because she went, but.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
She was a baby.

Speaker 12 (08:12):
I was too pretty that I wasn't from here, so
they were going to be accepted.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
I don't even care if I'm standing here.

Speaker 12 (08:31):
Okay, I guess I won't.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
Calling in on an ecronomic cast hotline Christy Duncan.

Speaker 7 (08:41):
She's the sister of Janelle Potter.

Speaker 8 (08:45):
I was a happy kid.

Speaker 13 (08:47):
I had good parents. My sister, Janelle is six years
younger than I am, and my mom basically went back
to college and went back to work, so my dad
was a stay.

Speaker 14 (08:58):
At home dad.

Speaker 8 (08:59):
He was a good dad.

Speaker 13 (09:02):
He was a very caring individual, but he was very
protective of his family, his kids. To this day, my
father is infatuated with my mother.

Speaker 8 (09:13):
They were high school sweethearts.

Speaker 13 (09:14):
They met at fourteen and fifteen years old. We had
a lot of happy times. Every summer we all did
go up to Port Alleghany, which was where my grandmother
and grandfather owned a hunting camp, and there was no TV.
We were outside learning how to shoot. I used to
save my allowance up to learn how to shoot. We
learned from a very young age. You know, you don't

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touch a gun unless dad are pop up or there,
and you never show your friends. Everything is locked up.
I mean, we were taught proper gun safety, and I
was happy.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
Did the big apartment.

Speaker 13 (09:53):
Over the years, my sister started developing certain learning disabilities,
started having hearing problems, and then she developed diabetes hi
after about twelve thirteen years old in my life is
when things started going downhill.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Toma.

Speaker 8 (10:13):
I guess I love you Christy.

Speaker 13 (10:17):
My mother and I never really saw eye to eye,
but it got worse as I became a teenager.

Speaker 15 (10:31):
Out as two car garage star.

Speaker 10 (10:35):
Starger.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yah. How do you know them?

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Oh boy?

Speaker 3 (11:08):
If you know Tracy pretty well, she's sister Abuilt. I
met her about five years ago.

Speaker 12 (11:16):
And we were afraid at the tipe me and her
at bill we were friends. I was rock Cloba twice
with not really rock Clay because of scare of heights.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Gie.

Speaker 12 (11:30):
Billie was not there at that time.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Bill was either going to her.

Speaker 7 (11:37):
I worked at a pharmacy and she was coming with
her parents to get their medicine. She was telling us
her parents will her to do nothing in her being
at her age.

Speaker 8 (11:46):
We felt bad for h Herpendz. He is not like Jamie.

(12:07):
He was not even nowhere near good enough for her.
Then they started had to stick around.

Speaker 16 (12:17):
He's just the prise favorite pride for yours.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
He's a friend of our family.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
They'll bring him over here a one time, Jamie, feel
like your boyfriend.

Speaker 12 (12:31):
Now he's just a really good pride.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Mm hm.

Speaker 9 (12:43):
Hm hm.

Speaker 10 (12:55):
H mus kirt, No under said that you were. She's
the billy right, Yeah, he's my second cousin. Can you
explain to me what kind of problems all were happening?

Speaker 9 (13:17):
I don't have Facebook.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
I don't know not to buy it.

Speaker 15 (13:20):
Same people use it.

Speaker 16 (13:24):
Bills had told me that they've been emails on the
stuff pasted back.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
I mean me and me and Bills.

Speaker 16 (13:31):
Would I say with cousins like brothers, we never did
take anything personally?

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Who is todayl to you? She's a friend, She's just
friends girlfriend.

Speaker 16 (13:46):
I'm just friends of the family.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Leive me this, it's our drive dass stuff. Questions did you.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
She real or village?

Speaker 10 (14:05):
I say, I mean he's my brother.

Speaker 9 (14:07):
Ain't no way I can't marry him.

Speaker 16 (14:10):
Did you participate or that they were gonna be killed
before they were killed?

Speaker 1 (15:05):
I know, you know, don't care for faith.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Somebody even guessing about it.

Speaker 6 (15:08):
You know this case is not a hard case to
say that.

Speaker 17 (15:10):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 10 (15:12):
The person that killed bill.

Speaker 16 (15:13):
Get two things on the shot would kill him? Actually
shot it make could his throught. The one thing that
people are gonna testify that you said you was gonna do.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
One day was cut his throat. Mkay, I don't think
it was your idea. I want yea.

Speaker 10 (15:28):
I I'm begging a different with you.

Speaker 16 (15:29):
But it takes a cold bloody, hateful person that shoe
on the whole day.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
He does. I don't think it was that.

Speaker 10 (15:41):
I first say, I just don't.

Speaker 18 (15:46):
Who was shot?

Speaker 1 (15:48):
Who had to go to tell you who? I'm had
to go? Hey, hey you.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
B Yeah, I'm sorry, Yeah, okay.

Speaker 18 (16:41):
Today's date is February six, two thousand twelve, especially in
scott Light and vascated Joe Ward with Jamie Kurd making
a phone call the Buddy Potter.

Speaker 19 (16:55):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Hello, hello, oh hi, hi you alright?

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah, well we just got an emails saying a book to.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Nah from Chris Na.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
Did you have a lot of tactor?

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah, now you passed it.

Speaker 9 (17:20):
Yeah, well that's wonderful.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
I'm so glad.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
I as uh bout you round?

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Yeah, let you o?

Speaker 20 (17:31):
How you doing?

Speaker 9 (17:32):
Alright?

Speaker 19 (17:32):
How's it going?

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Should everything go? Alright?

Speaker 15 (17:36):
Well?

Speaker 9 (17:37):
They're uh fomting fingers foting fingers, yeah, and bomting fingers
at me and uh cheer Christmas. You got rid of
everything as from very Denny. Uh huh okay, that makes
them feel out there?

Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (18:00):
Uh is the c I here c I a.

Speaker 6 (18:25):
H that is like a brother.

Speaker 19 (18:30):
Uh. I call him Somery here.

Speaker 16 (18:35):
They tell him chrias the house. The boy is really
bet his first uh Korea you know believe that's felt okay.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
And how he's mattering, he.

Speaker 16 (18:52):
I'm esting about the cells.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
There they uh say, as they worked for.

Speaker 6 (19:02):
They had no idea what he was talking about, so
they don't really delve into it.

Speaker 17 (19:16):
Why do you think that somebody has told you I'm
the one who killed Billy Payne and uh now his
girlfriend Billy. Here's the thing, why can I we've been
investigating this case. We don't think you should know.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
You should.

Speaker 19 (19:39):
Think.

Speaker 21 (19:40):
Like I said, we have evidence, we have testimony. We
have you talking about it on tape, me talking about.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
A signors you know, read everything, having no new thing.
Uh okay, I like you going there. You have allowed

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that your voice that you're talking to gaming her. That's me.
I had not that.

Speaker 14 (20:56):
Simm mmmmmm yeah.

Speaker 9 (21:17):
M m h m hm m m.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
I did not feel anybody who did.

Speaker 19 (21:31):
I don't know, buddy, you know, you know, no, I
don't optilize. I don't believe the jar. You will go
all each other.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
I believe.

Speaker 19 (21:44):
Sitting tired, the most precious person in your life being
attacked and arrested constantly.

Speaker 14 (21:53):
Hm hmmmmm m hm m hm.

Speaker 22 (22:03):
I know that, okay, I know, I know that that's
the truth there. And yeah, when you hear people providing
to take your catch your daughter in a restroom and

(22:27):
gonna take her at the back of the store, and
they want to take her and get her so second
field and murder her, and they wanted to rape her
because she's a virgin.

Speaker 19 (22:38):
And.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Just so much you now, boy, you know M telling
you what you did. Just want look you all out there, co.

Speaker 20 (23:41):
Time barber, before you find out somebody else wants you know,
I was involved in identity.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Hm h m hm.

Speaker 8 (24:05):
M h m hm.

Speaker 18 (24:29):
H.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
I did it.

Speaker 18 (24:42):
What I do want a friend.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Didn't you think about it more? You said in my ear,
and I saw it.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
They say they got proved.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
So I just with you, child, No, I love you.

Speaker 20 (25:03):
And I better protect you.

Speaker 9 (25:06):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 8 (25:11):
I didn't know what to do. I didn't know what
to think. I didn't know what to say because we
were all friends. When you got some call, what what.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
What were you thinking?

Speaker 3 (25:37):
I don't understand that. I really don't. It's not his nature.
I absolutely did not waste that he did this, or
that he would do this, or were you that four
years we were all him.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
What time did you go to bed? I can you remember?

Speaker 8 (25:54):
Well?

Speaker 3 (25:54):
See, I go to bed around one, so I got
up around five. By fifteen, he's still sitting there at
the TV on. I was back in my room probably
about five thirty. But when he gets thought settled and
the dead gets up, it tweaks a little, heard it
and it kind of jo and I thought, that's him.
He's here.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
So if he had left you, you think you would
have no certainly, Okay.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
I don't waven murder now. I'm so upset about that baby.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, but if you made me saying you.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
I've been up here right away? We went there against
something actually ate we were leaving. It's when Billy pulled up.
He almost ran over James here of me's death.

Speaker 8 (26:52):
Then he guess.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Against Jamie he was. We couldn't even hear what he
was saying. He was a whispering.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
He was going to kill him or her.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
That I want to tell you because you're their friends.
So yeah, well he's gonna he's gonna first, he's gonna
tell Jamie. Now, you're supposed to be my brother, part
of my heart, and you don't. You don't be a
friends with being people.

Speaker 5 (27:19):
H Marvin Potter Junior and Jamie Lynn Kurd are charged
with first degree murder and both have ties to Janelle Potter.
But it was her online relationship to the victims that
started controversy.

Speaker 8 (27:42):
After you started being friends with her, she would be
like starting on somebody you know.

Speaker 15 (27:48):
M h.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
According to Sheriff Reese, when Payne and Hayworth blocked and
removed her as a friend on Facebook, Janelle Potter and
didn't take it lightly. But it's the suspects who we're
told have a history of standing up for Janelle Potter.

Speaker 6 (28:10):
Mister Kerr is the cousin of mister Billy Payne, and
there was apparently some tension there regarding who's taken whose side.

Speaker 7 (28:21):
Billy and Jamie wasn't talking because they were mad at
each other for some ungoly reasons. I knowed that they
had been arguing, but I never dreamed it would go
to somebody killed somebody.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
And her parents supported her as well, which is why
investigators are now collecting the online conversations as evidence and
are pointing to a computer as the source of a
gruesome murder.

Speaker 6 (29:10):
Chris popped up in Janelle's emails. Chris would write to
Barbara and report about his surveillance of the Bill Payne residence.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
H M. I mainly want to give a little background.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
I know that my father admitted to join this, and
I don't know. I'm not really convinced of everything yet
because my sister and my mother are very powerful people.

Speaker 13 (30:45):
As far as this whole thing with my father, as
the news has it, he's mad because they defriended his
dark You know that's not problem.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
If you know anything about my neck, you probably give out.

Speaker 12 (30:54):
The man can't use his computer to save his life.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
I only even turn it.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
All wanting to be around one because he's scared.

Speaker 8 (30:58):
To death of Yeah, you need the dinner.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
What he's pissed over is whatever Janelle and Barb have
told him has happened.

Speaker 20 (31:10):
I was going to ask you that's exactly what that is.

Speaker 13 (31:12):
Whatever Barba Janelle say, he believes they are very manipulative people.

Speaker 12 (31:18):
They always have been.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
The Sarah's crossed my mind, and my.

Speaker 8 (31:22):
Sister and that John Jamie.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
You know, saying they were getting ready to do this,
my boys saying no.

Speaker 13 (31:28):
I'll take care of it, just like he's done everything
else in my life.

Speaker 21 (31:30):
I'll take care of it for that.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Janelle is to blame for this.

Speaker 15 (31:38):
Have you ever heard Barbara or Janelle? Everybody referred to
anybody named Chris.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Christ is trying substa.

Speaker 13 (31:50):
Yeah, the jells that have always making up stories, well friends, this.

Speaker 15 (31:58):
Person to somebody that's both were born in the exact
same day year, everything as Janelle one minute apartment.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Janelle, that could be. That's why thinking.

Speaker 6 (32:21):
It was obvious to me this wasn't a real Cia person.
The language was crude and was very consistent with her
writing and actuality based on grammatical texts and tendencies. That's
the same person Janelle was able to use this online
fake identity to manipulate her mother. The last name was

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attached to an email or two and the name went to.

Speaker 8 (33:07):
Chris Jaden.

Speaker 6 (33:11):
And Scott Lot from the TB. I tracked down a
real Chris Jaden and it just so happens. He had
been a high school classmate ofer Janelle Potter.

Speaker 20 (33:26):
I was actually at home outside and uh, you know,
they pulled up in my driveway and I was freaking out.

Speaker 8 (33:33):
What kind of questions were they asking you?

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Uh?

Speaker 11 (33:35):
You know, if I really was who I was?

Speaker 20 (33:38):
Did I work for the CIA? Did I have any
kind of like interaction with Janelle after high school?

Speaker 15 (33:44):
Were you ever in the CIA?

Speaker 20 (33:46):
No, I was never in the CIA.

Speaker 6 (33:49):
When they said the name Janelle Potter, did you remember
the name immediately?

Speaker 19 (33:54):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (33:54):
Yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 20 (33:54):
She definitely was one of those people that stuck out
in high school. Everybody he knew her because of how
weird she was.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Well, you got such a big math.

Speaker 20 (34:05):
She would she would pull all types of crazy act.
You always complained she was like sick, anything to drive
the attention towards her. I used to say, I to her.
She used to acknowledge me in school, and I used
to acknowledge her back, you know, just kind of give
her that comfort tune.

Speaker 8 (34:21):
You know, why did she pick you?

Speaker 20 (34:26):
You know, I don't know, I don't know. Maybe because
I was nicer her. That's probably why she picked me.

Speaker 19 (34:33):
At least hermise.

Speaker 6 (34:34):
She probably had a crush on him at some point,
and then after high school, creates this fantasy of Chris
that is like her protector, her big brother she never had,
and we wind up seeing him in our homicide investigation.

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In Tennessee, just like a lot of states, we have
a criminal responsibility for the conduct of another statue. In
our state, it says if you direct, solicit, aid, or
attempt to aid another person in the commission of an
offence with the intent that it happened, then you're just
as guilty. So if I ask you to kill my spouse,
and I mean it, then you do it, then I

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could be found guilty of that crime. And in this case,
when you look at the entirety that Chris emails, we
had what was probably a solicitation.

Speaker 13 (35:44):
You had every press you can imagine. And when I
got up on the stand now said I was his daughter,
all you could hear were the zoomings of the.

Speaker 12 (35:54):
Camera in the back.

Speaker 8 (35:55):
You just heard zeus.

Speaker 13 (35:57):
Apparently nobody knew that there was another daughter. It was very,
very weird, And I remember looking him in the eye
the entire time. He wouldn't even look at me. When
the prosecution rested, the defense stood up and said, your honor,
we rest. There was no defense nothing, There was no

(36:24):
physical evidence against him. What convicted him was his phone
call to my mother where he told her he was involved,
and they played that in the courtroom, and then the
jury said, that is why we convicted him.

Speaker 6 (37:01):
What is your reaction.

Speaker 13 (37:04):
I was sitting two seats behind him, and I just
remember my heart sinking. But it didn't surprise me. I
still today can remember that feeling of just my heart
dropping into my stomach.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
H Hello, computer on my night and all internet for

(37:57):
a friend fast. We don't think you're bed father at all.
Though we don't have anything at all. I'm right over
her high book. There's nothing on there.

Speaker 20 (38:16):
There's there's not a thing on her Facebook. We're looking
at it right now.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
See why do you already?

Speaker 4 (38:22):
Oh my god?

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Ye?

Speaker 4 (38:24):
Why have a new word.

Speaker 19 (38:27):
All this.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
To be on the interview. I don't know who it is,
I swear I doubt if you please ask her not
please to study that offer. I think your damn price.
See I slem. If you call here in, I'm gonna
do something about it.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
M hm.

Speaker 6 (39:01):
The judge presiding over this case call these murders the
most bizarre, senseless murders he's ever seen.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
On Janelle.

Speaker 6 (39:15):
You've got a thirty year old woman catfishing her mother.
Janelle was fictitious, Chris, But Chris would write to Barbara
she was able to use this online fake identity to
manipulate her mother. We wound up introducing two hundred and

(39:38):
seven pages of emails, plus I don't know how many
pages of Facebook documents.

Speaker 7 (39:45):
There was so much more hatred that nobody knew because
it was fake. None of that happened, though it was true.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Looking back on it, you feel like you've been.

Speaker 6 (40:09):
Manipulating any way by.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
The Potter family.

Speaker 23 (40:12):
Yes, Barbara and Janelle remain emotionless as Johnson County's Chief
Deputy Joe Woodard takes the stand. Water tells the jury
that during the investigation he found Barbara tearing up emails
and pictures. That's why she's charged with tampering of evidence.

Speaker 6 (40:34):
The one question I gave to the jury at the
end of my comments, I said, I want you to
close your eyes and imagine this case ever happening without
Janelle Potter, and I want you to ask that same
question about Barbara Potter, and if you know this isn't
going to happen without their involvement, and you know in
your heart what your verdict needs to be. Bring the

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jury in, please.

Speaker 13 (41:16):
I was at my uncle's house and I remember stating
that I am finally free for the first time in
my life.

Speaker 8 (41:23):
It was sadness.

Speaker 13 (41:26):
I felt like at least the victims had some justice.

Speaker 20 (41:31):
We can breathe now.

Speaker 8 (41:32):
We're still hurting and we'll always be hurting. Billy didn't
get to call me on Mother's Day. It was hard.
We have justice.

Speaker 6 (41:47):
That moment, families what you always dream of. You see
what they've lost, and you hope that you can give
them some moment of satisfaction.

Speaker 8 (41:59):
We tried to be a friend and they ended up dead.
M h.

Speaker 7 (42:06):
They were good people, you know, they were just living
a normal life to be happy. They didn't have to
make nothing up, but they didn't have to lie about nothing.
I think the hardest was with Jamie because we were
all so close.

Speaker 8 (42:24):
He was family, you know, he was our friend who
he could have stopped it help with the greats and
saying well kid, I'm going to say everything about both
of them. They were just a perfect couple. They were

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going to get married and and now they won't ever
get the chance to be. She never got the chance
to go out and by it wouldn't dress. H. They
took that from her. H.