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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Serial killer as we define it in the FBI, is
three or more victims over a period of time. So
kill one person, you wait a while, cooling off period,
you kill another one. You wait a while, and you
kill another one. Leanne Emory is the daughter of Howard
and Darlene Emory. She left home on January sixteenth, the
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two thousand and three and told her parents she was
going to Mexico with friends to go caving.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
A few days after she left my place, car was
found abandoned in Moab, Utah, and I haven't seen her since.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Jennifer Markham is the daughter of Bob Markham and Mary Willis.
Her car was found part at the Denver International Airport
February eighteenth, two thousand and three.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
If she didn't call me in a few months, then
I would call her, and I'd always say, Jennifer, give
me a call. I want to make sure you're okay.
Nothing's happened to you.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Casey McLeod is the daughter of Rob and Lloy MacLeod.
She was nineteen years old at the time that she disappeared.
She was offered a ride to work. She never returned,
and that was the night of August twenty third, two
thousand and three.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
At first we thought she was a runaway. It's a
story that made sense. But slowly over time we became
convinced that that wasn't the truth.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
I know Casey was set up.
Speaker 6 (01:37):
I feel I let her do.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Terry Kimball was a recent divorcee who came to the
Denver area seeking work on a ranch. Around the first
of August two thousand and four, he disappeared.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Was there any point agent goosing that you realized that
these cases, all four of them, were somehow connected.
Speaker 7 (02:01):
Yes, we know about four victims. We don't know if
there are other victims. But serial killers don't just kill
four people and be done with it.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
The person that was causing this trouble, his name was Hannibal.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
It's chilling, It's silence of the lambs.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Was he in your town in two thousand and three?
Was he in your town in two thousand and four,
or was he in your town in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 7 (02:32):
He's very, very manipulative. He draws people into him. He
makes you believe great things will happen for you, and
you end up debting.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Wow, that's, for some reason, one of my all time
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favorite pictures ever because it looks like she's just sitting
there visiting with you, not pose, not formal hanging out.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
This is Rob mccleoud's daily ritual. You say you visit
this website every day? Why do you do it just.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
To see her just for a sec. And then there's
been real emotional days that I can't I can't possibly
look at her pictures.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Rob's daughter, nineteen year old Casey McLeod vanished in August
two thousand and three. Tell us about her personality.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Bright and bubbly and fun. She was a very happy,
easy to get along with, wanting to please.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Type of kid.
Speaker 8 (04:27):
She danced and sang all the time, all around the
house all the time.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Casey was Robin Laurie McLeod's only child. Laurie when she
was a toddler, they doated on her.
Speaker 8 (04:44):
Casey was brought up in bubble wrap. We protected her
from everything.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
But Casey's sheltered life didn't last long. Robin Laurie divorced
when she was four, and as she got older, Casey
grew rebellious.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
She's button heads with her mom and started smoking and
started engaging in behavior in high school that her mom
didn't approve of, and packed her up and moved her
down to her aunts in Arizona.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Phoenix was Casey's new home, and that's where she met
best friend Tabitha Morton.
Speaker 9 (05:16):
We're both turning sixteen, and believe when I met her,
we were so close, literally that we were practically attached
at the hip because we worked together, and we were
going to school together, and we spent so much of
our personal time together.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
But after high school, Tabitha says, Casey fell in with
the wrong crowd.
Speaker 10 (05:34):
There was a.
Speaker 11 (05:34):
Girl that decided to move in with her. This girl
was heavy into drugs and she was bringing lots of people,
you know, who were using drugs to the house quite often.
Casey kind of fell into that.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
When I noticed that something.
Speaker 11 (05:52):
Was wrong, I called her yet and I said, I
think that Casey's.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
In some trouble.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
So she was sent back to Colorado in late two
thousand and one.
Speaker 11 (06:04):
I didn't change our friendship. I think it actually mean
it stronger because.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
She knew I was really looking out for her.
Speaker 8 (06:10):
She had a few months of drug use, but that's
not who she was.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
As Casey settled back into her old surroundings, a new
man entered her mother's life. Scott Kimball.
Speaker 8 (06:24):
He was great, and he was very charming and funny
and smart.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Now living with Scott and Laurie, Casey seemed to be
getting herself back on track with new friends and a
new job. But then came a shocking disappointment. Scott found
drugs in the house, and when.
Speaker 8 (06:49):
I confronted Casey, she swore to me that they weren't hers.
She begged me to get a drug test, and I
didn't believe her.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
When Laurie threatened to turn her into the cops, Casey
took off down the road on her bicycle. What did
you think happened to Casey?
Speaker 8 (07:11):
I thought she took off because I didn't believe her.
I worried sick about her. I drove around looking for her.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
At first, Rob was angry Casey had run away before.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I was worried about her, but not to the point
of that I thought any foul play appened. I figured
she was over found a friend and was crashing over
at their place. She'd call or eventually just show up
like she had before.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
But two days later, when Casey failed to show up
for her shift at a sandwich shop, Laurie became frantic.
Speaker 8 (07:52):
I went to the police, and they told me that
it was not my right to find her. Casey was
over eighteen, She was not runaway. She simply left.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
You didn't file a missing person's report.
Speaker 8 (08:05):
The police won't allow that. There had to be blood
evidence of foul play in order to file a missing
person's report.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
But at least Laurie had the support of Scott Kimball,
who had important law enforcement contacts.
Speaker 8 (08:20):
He worked for the FBI. He helped catch bad guys.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
So when she disappeared, did you talk to Scott?
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (08:27):
What did Scott say.
Speaker 8 (08:30):
With his connections with the FBI, we'll find her.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Desperate, Laurie even married Scott, seeing him as the only
hope to finding her daughter, and sure enough, he turned
up a few leads, including evidence that Casey had stopped
by the house very recently when no one was home.
Speaker 8 (08:50):
He found Casey's necklace on her doorknob.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Even more promising, Scott found a neighbor who said he
had seen Casey weeks after she disappeared.
Speaker 8 (09:00):
The neighbor said that Casey had been at the house
with her boyfriend and his sister.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Back in Phoenix, Tabitha Morton was also looking frantically for
her friend.
Speaker 11 (09:15):
I called everybody that we knew, I set up a
MySpace peach for her, contacted people from high school, house
out flyers.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Weeks, then months went by.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
The most unbearable thing for me to think of my
daughter is that someone took her something precious, something important
to me, and destroyed it and threw it away like
it wasn't important to anybody.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Together, Rob and Tabitha began to wonder if the key
to Casey's disappearance might be much closer to home.
Speaker 11 (09:48):
It was just this nagging feeling that kept going through
my head that there was something more than what we
were finding.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Over the course of time. You're wondering where is she?
You know, is she hurt? Is she hungry?
Speaker 5 (10:18):
These thoughts tormented Rob McLeod from the time his daughter
Casey vanished in August two thousand and three. But what
Rob didn't know was that another Colorado father was asking
those very same questions.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
You wonder where is she? Has she been kidnapped? You
wonder what in the world has happened to her?
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Seven months before Casey McLeod disappeared, Howard Emery's twenty four
year old daughter Leanne had also mysteriously vanished. So Howard
tell me about this picture of Leanne.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
She was about fourteen years old. As you can see,
she also loved the outdoors, were always exploring the rocky mountains.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Howard Emery has spent countless hours replaying Leanne's life, a
life that began full of promise.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
She was a straight A student in high school and
actually graduated a year early.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
But Leanne's life soon spiraled downwards. Her mother's severe health
problems kept Leanne from finishing college, She lost her job
as a veterinarian's assistant, and she landed in an abusive marriage.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I think it was almost kind of the turning point.
I think she had a real feeling that she really
wasn't worth much, that she couldn't do much.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
In two thousand and two, Leanne left her husband, but
her father was still concerned because she began a relationship
with a prisoner named Stephen Holly. On January sixteenth, two
thousand and three, Leanne's car, with its unique license plate,
pulled out of the driveway.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Though dog she loved the most was Dalmatians. On her car,
she had a license plate that said dow Gal.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Leanne said she was heading for a caving trip in
Mexico with friends. But two weeks later, Howard got a
call that still haunts him. It was the Sheriff's department
in moab Utah.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
And they says, well, I hate to tell you, but
we found her car abandoned in the canyon lands in
moab utahist yesterday. They told me about the license plate
and I knew immediately this is Leanne's car.
Speaker 10 (12:40):
All her clothes stuff like that was left in the car.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Brent Pace, a seasoned Utah investigator at Tracker, could tell
someone had picked LeAnn up.
Speaker 10 (12:51):
The car was actually pulled straight into here with it
just like this, like you just drove in off that
road and parked it right here. And then the driver
got out and walked back and got in another vehicle
one set of shee prints, leaving this car to another.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
Set of tire tracks.
Speaker 10 (13:10):
And because of that, you know, we were kind of concerned,
you know, maybe something did happen out here.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Like the mcleouds. Howard tried to file a missing persons
report back in Colorado, but was shut down, so he
decided to play detective himself.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
So I wanted to know why she was gone. There's
obviously a million questions here.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Using credit card records, Howard pieced together Leanne's trail in
the weeks before she disappeared. She didn't go to Mexico.
He discovered Leanne was leading a secret life. She spent
the ten days before she vanished traveling through the Western
United States, writing bad and charging thousands of dollars to
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her father's credit card.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I was totally bewildered. She was either threatened or blackmailed.
She would not have done this on her own.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
And it seemed Howard was right. She came across several
emails Leanne had sent a cousin just days before she left,
Emails that hinted she was in trouble but was being
protected by someone with a curious nickname. She says.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And as for Hannibal, I think I can trust him.
He's actually protecting me. My thought was protecting her from what.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
A few clues arrived in several cryptic letters from Leanne's
prison boyfriend, Stephen Holly.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Basically, he told me that she was in terrible danger
and please call the FBI.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Immediately alarmed, Howard went to visit Holly, who told him
that Hannibal was a former inmate he had put in
touch with Leanne.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
He says, tell me about Hannibal. Do you think he
would hurt my daughter? He says, well, I really don't
think Hannibal would hurt Leanne. But Hannibal does know some
people that wouldn't hesitape to kill Leanne if he asked
them to do it.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
But Holly refused to reveal Hannibal's true identity, and when
Howard brought Holly's story to the FBI, the agent he
spoke to dismissed it as pure fiction.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
There's a possible kidnapping here, and yet and yet he
showed no interest whatsoever.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
As time passed, everyone was left with more questions than
when they began, even Brent Pace, who kept up the search.
Speaker 10 (15:47):
It's hard to be involved in a case and not
know the wise why this happened. It's hard to forget
these kind of cases. I mean, it's somebody's child, a
human being, you know, And so those are questions Ginger
really won't answer.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
But no one realized Hannibal was actually working for the
FBI and married to Laurie McLeod. Hannibal's real name Scott.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
Kimball, right bof didn't else.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Laurie McLeod began having suspicions about Scott Kimball after they
were married in August two thousand and three, the same
month her daughter Casey went missing.
Speaker 8 (16:52):
Off and on, he would say things that didn't feel right,
and again when I would question him, he would make
me feel I was losing my mind, And to be
perfectly honest, I wanted to feel that what I was
thinking wasn't right.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
But it wasn't until two years later that Laurie shared
some disturbing information with her ex husband, Rob McLeod.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I'm talking to Laurie and she goes, well, that whole
weekend Casey went miss is not quite what I told you.
There's a little bit more to it than that.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
What did she say?
Speaker 4 (17:28):
She said, Scott took off the same weekend Casey did
on a solo mystery. I don't know where he went
camping trip.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Laurie and Rob weren't the only ones asking questions. In
early two thousand and six, Kimball became a suspect in
a case that Lafayette, Colorado detective Gary Thatcher was investigating.
When did you first hear of the name Scott Kimball?
Speaker 12 (17:52):
It was when I had an officer come to me
with this Chuck Frod case. That was the first time
I heard about him.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Learned that Kimball's job with the FBI was as a
paid criminal informant. He was also a con artist who
had spent most of his life racking up felony convictions
and prison time all over the Western United States. But
when Thatcher went to find Kimball, he was gone.
Speaker 12 (18:19):
Well, it was January two thousand and six. Initially I
was talking to Laurie about where is Scott Kimball, and
then she dropped that on me, as that Casey's missing
and she's suspicious of Scott. That was the eye opener
that you the check fraud is important here, but there's
a much bigger picture to this investigation.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
A warrant was put out for Kimball's arrest. Two months later,
US Marshalls tracked him down and after a dramatic high
speed chase through California's Coachella Valley, arrested the con man.
Now with Kimball safely in custody, Detective Thatcher made up
vow to Rob McLeod.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
He says, Rob's where the smoke, there's fire? He says
I will not forget Casey. I will not rest until
we figure out what happened to her.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
As thatcher dug deeper, he learned from the FBI that
Kimball was connected years earlier to yet another missing Colorado woman,
Jennifer Markham.
Speaker 12 (19:23):
Now it was just one more thing added onto the
pile of suspicion.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Jennifer was a struggling single mother who worked as a stripper.
On February seventeenth, two thousand and three, she visited her boyfriend,
drug dealer Steve Ennis, in prison. Shortly after that visit,
she vanished.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
His total anxiety began to wonder where is she?
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Her father, Bob Markham, like the other fathers, was stumped.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
All you can do is hope that maybe she'd been
arrested somehow. I'll put in jail. That's where she's at.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
How old did you go through that? For a year?
Then one day Bob's phone rang. It was an FBI
agent named Carl Slough.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
And they asked if Jennifer's there, and I said no.
At that point, Ath said that something bad may have
happened to her.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Agent Sloft revealed that Jennifer's car had been found abandoned
at the Denver Airport.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
It was after a while that we found out that
they had found it a year before, and nobody had
contacted it.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Didn't that seem odd.
Speaker 13 (20:33):
I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Markham kept pressing Schlof for answers, so the agent set
up a meeting with his informant, who had once shared
a prison cell with Jennifer's boyfriend. That informant was Scott Kimball.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
He told me he knew where she was, how she died,
how it happened. Everything.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Jennifer's mother, Mary Willis, came with Bob to this park
to meet Scott Kimball. He told them that Jennifer had
been killed by some of her boyfriend's drug associates. Kimball
said he had even seen pictures of her dead.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
He told me she was strangled, she was tied up,
and she was strangled from behind, and she put up
a fight.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
As he was telling you this, what were you thinking
of him?
Speaker 6 (21:30):
I was thinking, how could he know this?
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Then Kimball made Jennifer's parents a chilling offer.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
When we were done with the conversation, get ready to leave.
Then he came up and said, if you stay until tomorrow,
I'll go up in the mountains with you and take
yours up in the mountains to show you where she's at.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
You didn't go with him, neither did Direx wife. No,
why not?
Speaker 3 (21:53):
When we got done talking at the picnic table and stuff,
I'd already decided that Scott Kimball had killed my daughter.
I thought that if we went in the mountains with
him the next day or then, that they never see
us again.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
When Jennifer's parents brought their suspicions to Agent Slough, he
dismissed them and defended his informant.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
He trusted Shott Kimbell. Never should have trusted Scott Kimball.
I always had the impression that the FBI has meet
Scott to make it so we would feel badly about
what Jennifer was doing and how she'd been living in
her life. And I didn't care because I loved Jennifer
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and no.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Matter what she did, we.
Speaker 13 (22:41):
Want her back.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I think they really thought.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
That by doing this we would become one of the families.
They would just turn around and get on the airplane
and go back home, and Jennifer would just be disappear.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
So Bob Markham took matters into his own hands and
put up a billboard next to the strip club where
Jennifer had once danced.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
We wanted to try and find out if someone would
come forward to some information about her.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
It worked, and in June of six, this would have been
a couple months after Scott was apprehended. I'm reading in
the newspaper about Bob Markham putting up a billboard for
his missing daughter, for Jennifer Markham, and as I'm reading
the story, I come across Scott Kimball's name in the
story that he is the last one. Jennifer was spending
time with my heart about leapt out of my chest.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
When Rob called, he said we have something in common.
He said, my daughter disappeared and my ex wife is
married to Scott Kimball.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Hungry for more information, Bob went to see Laurie MacLeod and.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Then I asked, Laurie, is there anyone else that you
could think of that you've been around you and Scott
that you haven't ever seen again. And it was just
like a light bulb went off in her head. She
sat back in a chair and then she goes, oh
my god, She says, Uncle Terry came and lived with
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us for a couple of weeks, and then he left
and we'd never seen him again.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Scott Kimball's uncle, Terry Kimball, had vanished from their home
in two thousand and four.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
I immediately knew that I finally had something to go
to the FBI with.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
So, together Bob Markham and Rob McLeod, two fathers with
missing daughters, marched into the FBI's Denver office, and revealed
their suspicions about Scott Kimball to the new supervisor.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
The final thing we told them is, you guys have
a choice. You could be the hero of the zero.
Either look into it, or you can be the zero
and you can ignore us. I think they took it
as Wow, maybe there is something here, we better look
into it.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
In the fall of two thousand and six, just weeks
after Bob Markham and Rob McLeod met with the FBI,
special agent Jonathan Groosing was assigned to investigate Scott Kimball.
If you had to pick one thing that drives Scott Kimball,
what is it?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Greed? Most likely, and not only greed for money, but
he craves attention and he craves power as well.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Joining agent groosing on the case was Detective Gary Thatcher,
already a year into his own investigation of Kimball. Together,
they embarked on the most complex cat and mouse game
of their careers as they began to interview Kimball, who
was still in jail pending for odd charges.
Speaker 12 (26:01):
You know, he's very good with coming up with stories,
and so when you're sitting there listening to him, you're thinking,
how do I prove this? How do I disprove it?
How do I, you know, substantiate this with facts.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
One of Kimball's stories was that his uncle Terry, now
missing for two years, had won the Ohio Lottery and
moved to Mexico with a stripper.
Speaker 12 (26:21):
The Ohio State Lottery never paid out to Terry Kimball,
he was never a winner.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
The investigator suspected Terry was murdered when Kimball discovered he
had come into some money from a divorce.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Terry was carrying around thousands and thousands of dollars in
a briefcase he wouldn't let go of for me. That's
enough motive for him to kill Terry.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Next, Groosing and Thatcher focused on Jennifer Markham. She had
first come to Kimball's attention when he shared a cell
with her boyfriend Steve Ennis back in two thousand and two.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
And Scott Kimball saw pictures of Jennifer up on the
wall and she was a very attractive woman, and he
made such comments to Steve that he could find her
a good job when.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
He got out to prison. What was his real motive?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
His real motive was to have Jennifer for himself.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
The con man also wanted to get out of prison,
and he had a plan. Kimball convinced the FBI that
Jennifer Markham was part of a murder for higher plot.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
No information that I have says that she even knew
about this plot that Scott was spinning when he was
there in prison, But.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
The FBI bought Kimball's story at the time, and when
he was released in December two thousand and two, he
went to work as an informant in the phony case.
Two months later, Jennifer vanished, but while Goosing was trying
to figure out what actually happened to Jennifer, he got
an unexpected lead.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
So I interviewed Steve Nis about Jennifer's disappearance, and at
the end of the interview when we were about to
wrap up, he said, oh, and one other thing, there
was another guy down here in the prison that had
a girlfriend disappear that Scott might have had something to
do with.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
That inmate was Stephen Holly, Leanne Emory's boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I spoke with mister Emory and said, I'm doing an investigation.
I'm trying to speak with LeeAnne Emery. And he said,
we haven't seen Leanne since two thousand and three.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
And when you heard those words, what thoughts?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
One thing I did send a chill down my spine
because I knew then that this was going to be
another victim of Scott Kimball.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Investigators felt they could prove that when they found Leanne's
picture or hair dyed brown on Kimball's laptop. Boulder County
Prosecutor Amy Akoubo, Oh my god.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
The last person that Casey was known to be with
was Scott Kimball.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
Oh my god.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
The last person that Jennifer Markham was known to be
with was Scott Kimball.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Oh my god.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
LeeAnne Emory was the last person that Scott Kimball was with.
And so bit by bit, piece by piece, it became
apparent just how dangerous he was.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
But there were still no bodies and the con man
was admitting to nothing. Investigators kept pushing, and finally, in
April two thousand and eight, Kimball dropped a hint.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
He said in this meeting that there was a girl
who died of a drug overdose that was on national
forest land.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Groosing had a receipt showing Kimball was in Walden, Colorado,
near a national forest. That same weekend, Casey McLeod went missing.
He called the Forest Service.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I asked if they had any missing people up there.
I ended up speaking with basically the phone receptionists, and
she said no, but a skull was found up here
last winter, so maybe you can check on that.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
A hunter had stumbled across the skull. Groosing ordered a
DNA test on the remains and they proved to be
Casey McLeod's. Finally, the Scott Kimball case was an official
homicide investigation.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
And he went to great links to conceal these bodies,
and I believe he thought no one would ever find them.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
After four long years, Rob McLeod finally had an answer
to his prayers.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
One way or another, She's coming home.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
She's not lost anymore, and Laurie McLeod's worst nightmares were realized.
What do you think really happened?
Speaker 8 (30:42):
I believe Scott planted the drugs to set everything up.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
That was to get her out of the house. Yes,
so he can get her, just separate us. Yes, you
find out that the man that you married, the man
who said he was going to be there to help
you find Casey, you now find out that he may
have been one who killed her.
Speaker 8 (31:01):
Yes, it's impossible to describe knowing that you've married your
daughter's murderer.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
But with no evidence of how Casey died and with
no other bodies, prosecutors worried they still did not have
enough to put Kimball on trial for murder.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
Meeting after meeting after meeting, and briefing and continual here's
all the evidence that we have. Do you think we
have enough yet?
Speaker 5 (31:30):
In December two thousand and eight, prosecutors got one step
closer to putting Kimball away for good when he was
sentenced to forty eight years on his recent nonviolent crimes.
But lead prosecutor Katerina Booth wanted more.
Speaker 14 (31:45):
What we wanted him marked for, of course, is the
violent murderer.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
That he is, so prosecutors made a difficult decision. They
offered Kimball a deal, no charges a first degree murder
if he would lead them to the three missing bodies.
Kimball accepted, and in the winter of two thousand and nine,
he led authorities to the remote canyons of eastern Utah,
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where he claimed they would find the remains of Leanne
Emery and Jennifer Markham.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Every day he was full of energy, and he gave
us to do list. Did you do this? Did you
get satellite imagery? Did you get a plane to fly
me over?
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Kimball spent days leading the FBI and the Grand County
Sheriff's Department on a fruitless search for Leanne. But then
agent Grusing spotted something.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
This is that right in here?
Speaker 5 (32:41):
Right in here? Yeah? What exactly did you see? Down there?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Some bones where the big boulder is. And then there
was a rock to the left. Lifted up the rock
and it was a hair clip with hair by that time,
and it was her.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Leanne Emery had lain on this lonely canyon ledge for
six years.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
She had a high potential and she just took the
wrong four got involved with the wrong people, and she
didn't deserve.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
This found near her bones was a spent bullet. It
matched Scott Kimball's gun.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
We believe that Scott marched her up here and executed her.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
What do you suppose Scott Kimball murdered.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Lean Leanne had been dragged into laundering money for Scott,
So I believe that Leanne had served her purpose and
that he was done with her, and that's why he
took her up here and killed her.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
Now only one missing woman remained. But is this suspected
serial killer finally ready to reveal what happened to Jennifer Markham?
Do you know?
Speaker 6 (34:01):
You know?
Speaker 5 (34:01):
I believe I do.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I think Scott enjoys manipulating people. He's very good at
twisting the truth.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
After taking investigators to the body of Leanne Emery, Scott
Kimball told them where to find the remains of his
uncle Terry, but his leads about Jennifer Markham's body in
Utah turned up empty.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
We not only searched it with Scott here, we came
back and searched it with Grand County with canine units.
We searched it with the geologists. We've flown over it
with airplanes, and nothing's here.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Do you know exactly where?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
No?
Speaker 14 (34:50):
I believe I know the area, the area, and we
have to realize I was at the location one time
it was dark. I was there once.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Scott Kimball insists he's trying to help find Jennifer, But
is it just another con.
Speaker 14 (35:06):
I've made every effort to help them with Jennifer. I've
told him I'd take a polygraph to make sure that
I'm being truthful in the direction that I've given him
what I remember.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
He's very methodical, he's very careful where he puts his victims,
and I give it basically zero probability that he has
forgotten where Jennifer Markham is.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Nevertheless, in October two thousand and nine, the families of
Scott Kimball's victims gather in court.
Speaker 12 (35:38):
It was nice to be able to be there, to
look him in the eye and you watch him take
some accountability.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
The con man had been charged with second degree murder.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Scott Lee Kimball's caused death to Terry Kimball, and Scott
Lee Kimball would cause.
Speaker 15 (35:51):
Death with Jennifer Markham. Dan every and case and cloud,
how do you play Hilty?
Speaker 5 (35:56):
You're not guilty, kilty, And with that word guilty, a
monumental six year case finally comes to an end.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
You never gave up for those families because you can
only imagine the torture they went through and.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
Their distress and sadness.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
And now Bob Markham and Rob McLeod, the two fathers
whose determination forced the FBI to investigate what happened to
their daughters, addressed the court.
Speaker 15 (36:30):
Casey Don McLeod was my firstborn daughter. I was present
right there the very first moment she took her first breath.
Scott Kimball was there to take her last.
Speaker 13 (36:42):
Scott Kimball has destroyed our lives.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
Our lives will never get the same.
Speaker 13 (36:47):
How many other people are missing as a result of
his life.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
And Howard Emery finally confronts Hannibal. My daughter was a.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Young woman with feelings and dreams, yeps, and to treat
her like trash is despicable. He is a liar, a deceiver,
a murderer for.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
The deaths of four people. Scott Kimball is sentenced to
seventy years, but he insists he's not a serial killer.
I'm just a guy.
Speaker 14 (37:19):
People could call me cold blooded, cold hearted, but you'll
find dozens of people that will say just the opposite.
He'll give you the shirt off his back.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
He freely admits only to the murder of his own
uncle and speaks in riddles about the three young women.
Speaker 14 (37:33):
I did kill Terry Kimball, I did, and for the
other three, I was a mechanism.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
I was part of the mechanics. Mechanism could be many things.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
Mechanism could be the person pulled in trigger.
Speaker 14 (37:44):
It could be it could be the person that are
arranged for the hit or the death or whatever you
want to call it. And there's a lot, a lot
it could be.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
If there were other people involved who committed the murders.
You're not going to reveal what it was.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
Never will I reveal who it was.
Speaker 14 (37:57):
I'm not the FBI, I'm not the police.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Investigators, say Kimball won't name accomplices for a very good reason.
They don't exist.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
I think the murders of these women are very private
to him. I believe there was some sort of sexual
attraction for him as well that he didn't like to
talk about. I believe that's why he's able to take
responsibility for Uncle Terry's death, because it was purely for
financial gain, but there was something else involved with Scott
and these three girls.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
Whatever darkness fuels got Kimball's murderous rampage. The victims' families
are grateful the FBI finally helped unmask the killer. Did
anyone from the FBI ever apologize to you?
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Repeatedly, Lay says, We're sorry, this is all happened. He
hoodwinked us. He's fooled everybody.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
Yet they remain angry at the system and agent Carl Schlof,
whose negligence they say gave Kimball the freedom to commit
the murders.
Speaker 8 (38:58):
If someone were watching, Scott Casey would still be here today.
Jennifer was the person he was let out of prison
to monitor, and she went missing almost immediately.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
Jim Davis of the FBI's Denver office says, the FBI
cannot constantly monitor criminal informants.
Speaker 16 (39:17):
We can't control them twenty four hours a day. We
just we don't have the resources to do that, and
really we don't have the authority to do it. You know,
this case is a tragedy. I mean it's a tragedy
for the victims. It's a tragedy for the victims' families.
But to be clear, you know that the individual responsible
for that is Scott Kemball, And it's not the FBI,
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it's it's not anybody else. It is him.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
He did it. Although we use the phrase dealing with
the devil, I guess you were dealing with the devil
in this case.
Speaker 16 (39:46):
He is as close as I've seen.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
What remains are shattered lives, but at least two lost
daughters have finally come home.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
As long as I'm alive, her memory is always going
to be there, and I have to reconcile the fact
that I won't ever see her again.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Casey's loss is like the background noise of my life.
I can find joy and happiness and feel normal a
lot of the time, but when it's quiet, she's that
background noise that's always there.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
However, the search for Jennifer Markham continues. As her father
waits for news that may never come. He takes solace
in the fact that it was his perseverance that helped
put his daughter's killer away. The possibility today exists that
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you may never know where she's buried.
Speaker 13 (40:52):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
I really would like to have my daughter's body pack.
But knowing Scott Campbell is in prison, and that he's
not going to be getting out of prison for at
least thirty five years means more to me than you
can imagine. And to me, my daughter's souls in heaven
and wherever her body is, it'll be joined back with
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her soul.
Speaker 13 (41:19):
Someday.
Speaker 17 (41:37):
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Serial killer as we define it in the FBI, is
three or more victims over a period of time. So
kill one person, you wait a while, cooling off period,
you kill another one. You wait a while, and you
kill another one. Leanne Emory is the daughter of Howard
and Darlene Emory. She left home on January sixteenth, the
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two thousand and three and told her parents she was
going to Mexico with friends to go caving.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
A few days after she left my place, car was
found abandoned in Moab, Utah, and I haven't seen her since.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Jennifer Markham is the daughter of Bob Markham and Mary Willis.
Her car was found part at the Denver International Airport
February eighteenth, two thousand and three.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
If she didn't call me in a few months, then
I would call her, and I'd always say, Jennifer, give
me a call. I want to make sure you're okay.
Nothing's happened to you.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Casey McLeod is the daughter of Rob and Lloy MacLeod.
She was nineteen years old at the time that she disappeared.
She was offered a ride to work. She never returned,
and that was the night of August twenty third, two
thousand and three.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
At first we thought she was a runaway. It's a
story that made sense. But slowly over time we became
convinced that that wasn't the truth.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
I know Casey was set up.
Speaker 6 (01:37):
I feel I let her do.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Terry Kimball was a recent divorcee who came to the
Denver area seeking work on a ranch. Around the first
of August two thousand and four, he disappeared.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Was there any point agent goosing that you realized that
these cases, all four of them, were somehow connected.
Speaker 7 (02:01):
Yes, we know about four victims. We don't know if
there are other victims. But serial killers don't just kill
four people and be done with it.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
The person that was causing this trouble, his name was Hannibal.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
It's chilling, It's silence of the lambs.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Was he in your town in two thousand and three?
Was he in your town in two thousand and four,
or was he in your town in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 7 (02:32):
He's very, very manipulative. He draws people into him. He
makes you believe great things will happen for you, and
you end up debting.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Wow, that's, for some reason, one of my all time
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favorite pictures ever because it looks like she's just sitting
there visiting with you, not pose, not formal hanging out.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
This is Rob mccleoud's daily ritual. You say you visit
this website every day? Why do you do it just.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
To see her just for a sec. And then there's
been real emotional days that I can't I can't possibly
look at her pictures.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Rob's daughter, nineteen year old Casey McLeod vanished in August
two thousand and three. Tell us about her personality.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Bright and bubbly and fun. She was a very happy,
easy to get along with, wanting to please.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
Type of kid.
Speaker 8 (04:27):
She danced and sang all the time, all around the
house all the time.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Casey was Robin Laurie McLeod's only child. Laurie when she
was a toddler, they doated on her.
Speaker 8 (04:44):
Casey was brought up in bubble wrap. We protected her
from everything.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
But Casey's sheltered life didn't last long. Robin Laurie divorced
when she was four, and as she got older, Casey
grew rebellious.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
She's button heads with her mom and started smoking and
started engaging in behavior in high school that her mom
didn't approve of, and packed her up and moved her
down to her aunts in Arizona.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Phoenix was Casey's new home, and that's where she met
best friend Tabitha Morton.
Speaker 9 (05:16):
We're both turning sixteen, and believe when I met her,
we were so close, literally that we were practically attached
at the hip because we worked together, and we were
going to school together, and we spent so much of
our personal time together.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
But after high school, Tabitha says, Casey fell in with
the wrong crowd.
Speaker 10 (05:34):
There was a.
Speaker 11 (05:34):
Girl that decided to move in with her. This girl
was heavy into drugs and she was bringing lots of people,
you know, who were using drugs to the house quite often.
Casey kind of fell into that.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
When I noticed that something.
Speaker 11 (05:52):
Was wrong, I called her yet and I said, I
think that Casey's.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
In some trouble.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
So she was sent back to Colorado in late two
thousand and one.
Speaker 11 (06:04):
I didn't change our friendship. I think it actually mean
it stronger because.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
She knew I was really looking out for her.
Speaker 8 (06:10):
She had a few months of drug use, but that's
not who she was.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
As Casey settled back into her old surroundings, a new
man entered her mother's life. Scott Kimball.
Speaker 8 (06:24):
He was great, and he was very charming and funny
and smart.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Now living with Scott and Laurie, Casey seemed to be
getting herself back on track with new friends and a
new job. But then came a shocking disappointment. Scott found
drugs in the house, and when.
Speaker 8 (06:49):
I confronted Casey, she swore to me that they weren't hers.
She begged me to get a drug test, and I
didn't believe her.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
When Laurie threatened to turn her into the cops, Casey
took off down the road on her bicycle. What did
you think happened to Casey?
Speaker 8 (07:11):
I thought she took off because I didn't believe her.
I worried sick about her. I drove around looking for her.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
At first, Rob was angry Casey had run away before.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
I was worried about her, but not to the point
of that I thought any foul play appened. I figured
she was over found a friend and was crashing over
at their place. She'd call or eventually just show up
like she had before.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
But two days later, when Casey failed to show up
for her shift at a sandwich shop, Laurie became frantic.
Speaker 8 (07:52):
I went to the police, and they told me that
it was not my right to find her. Casey was
over eighteen, She was not runaway. She simply left.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
You didn't file a missing person's report.
Speaker 8 (08:05):
The police won't allow that. There had to be blood
evidence of foul play in order to file a missing
person's report.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
But at least Laurie had the support of Scott Kimball,
who had important law enforcement contacts.
Speaker 8 (08:20):
He worked for the FBI. He helped catch bad guys.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
So when she disappeared, did you talk to Scott?
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (08:27):
What did Scott say.
Speaker 8 (08:30):
With his connections with the FBI, we'll find her.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Desperate, Laurie even married Scott, seeing him as the only
hope to finding her daughter, and sure enough, he turned
up a few leads, including evidence that Casey had stopped
by the house very recently when no one was home.
Speaker 8 (08:50):
He found Casey's necklace on her doorknob.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Even more promising, Scott found a neighbor who said he
had seen Casey weeks after she disappeared.
Speaker 8 (09:00):
The neighbor said that Casey had been at the house
with her boyfriend and his sister.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Back in Phoenix, Tabitha Morton was also looking frantically for
her friend.
Speaker 11 (09:15):
I called everybody that we knew, I set up a
MySpace peach for her, contacted people from high school, house
out flyers.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Weeks, then months went by.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
The most unbearable thing for me to think of my
daughter is that someone took her something precious, something important
to me, and destroyed it and threw it away like
it wasn't important to anybody.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
Together, Rob and Tabitha began to wonder if the key
to Casey's disappearance might be much closer to home.
Speaker 11 (09:48):
It was just this nagging feeling that kept going through
my head that there was something more than what we
were finding.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Over the course of time. You're wondering where is she?
You know, is she hurt? Is she hungry?
Speaker 5 (10:18):
These thoughts tormented Rob McLeod from the time his daughter
Casey vanished in August two thousand and three. But what
Rob didn't know was that another Colorado father was asking
those very same questions.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
You wonder where is she? Has she been kidnapped? You
wonder what in the world has happened to her?
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Seven months before Casey McLeod disappeared, Howard Emery's twenty four
year old daughter Leanne had also mysteriously vanished. So Howard
tell me about this picture of Leanne.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
She was about fourteen years old. As you can see,
she also loved the outdoors, were always exploring the rocky mountains.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Howard Emery has spent countless hours replaying Leanne's life, a
life that began full of promise.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
She was a straight A student in high school and
actually graduated a year early.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
But Leanne's life soon spiraled downwards. Her mother's severe health
problems kept Leanne from finishing college, She lost her job
as a veterinarian's assistant, and she landed in an abusive marriage.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I think it was almost kind of the turning point.
I think she had a real feeling that she really
wasn't worth much, that she couldn't do much.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
In two thousand and two, Leanne left her husband, but
her father was still concerned because she began a relationship
with a prisoner named Stephen Holly. On January sixteenth, two
thousand and three, Leanne's car, with its unique license plate,
pulled out of the driveway.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Though dog she loved the most was Dalmatians. On her car,
she had a license plate that said dow Gal.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Leanne said she was heading for a caving trip in
Mexico with friends. But two weeks later, Howard got a
call that still haunts him. It was the Sheriff's department
in moab Utah.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
And they says, well, I hate to tell you, but
we found her car abandoned in the canyon lands in
moab utahist yesterday. They told me about the license plate
and I knew immediately this is Leanne's car.
Speaker 10 (12:40):
All her clothes stuff like that was left in the car.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Brent Pace, a seasoned Utah investigator at Tracker, could tell
someone had picked LeAnn up.
Speaker 10 (12:51):
The car was actually pulled straight into here with it
just like this, like you just drove in off that
road and parked it right here. And then the driver
got out and walked back and got in another vehicle
one set of shee prints, leaving this car to another.
Speaker 6 (13:07):
Set of tire tracks.
Speaker 10 (13:10):
And because of that, you know, we were kind of concerned,
you know, maybe something did happen out here.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Like the mcleouds. Howard tried to file a missing persons
report back in Colorado, but was shut down, so he
decided to play detective himself.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
So I wanted to know why she was gone. There's
obviously a million questions here.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Using credit card records, Howard pieced together Leanne's trail in
the weeks before she disappeared. She didn't go to Mexico.
He discovered Leanne was leading a secret life. She spent
the ten days before she vanished traveling through the Western
United States, writing bad and charging thousands of dollars to
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her father's credit card.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I was totally bewildered. She was either threatened or blackmailed.
She would not have done this on her own.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
And it seemed Howard was right. She came across several
emails Leanne had sent a cousin just days before she left,
Emails that hinted she was in trouble but was being
protected by someone with a curious nickname. She says.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And as for Hannibal, I think I can trust him.
He's actually protecting me. My thought was protecting her from what.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
A few clues arrived in several cryptic letters from Leanne's
prison boyfriend, Stephen Holly.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Basically, he told me that she was in terrible danger
and please call the FBI.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Immediately alarmed, Howard went to visit Holly, who told him
that Hannibal was a former inmate he had put in
touch with Leanne.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
He says, tell me about Hannibal. Do you think he
would hurt my daughter? He says, well, I really don't
think Hannibal would hurt Leanne. But Hannibal does know some
people that wouldn't hesitape to kill Leanne if he asked
them to do it.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
But Holly refused to reveal Hannibal's true identity, and when
Howard brought Holly's story to the FBI, the agent he
spoke to dismissed it as pure fiction.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
There's a possible kidnapping here, and yet and yet he
showed no interest whatsoever.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
As time passed, everyone was left with more questions than
when they began, even Brent Pace, who kept up the search.
Speaker 10 (15:47):
It's hard to be involved in a case and not
know the wise why this happened. It's hard to forget
these kind of cases. I mean, it's somebody's child, a
human being, you know, And so those are questions Ginger
really won't answer.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
But no one realized Hannibal was actually working for the
FBI and married to Laurie McLeod. Hannibal's real name Scott.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
Kimball, right bof didn't else.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Laurie McLeod began having suspicions about Scott Kimball after they
were married in August two thousand and three, the same
month her daughter Casey went missing.
Speaker 8 (16:52):
Off and on, he would say things that didn't feel right,
and again when I would question him, he would make
me feel I was losing my mind, And to be
perfectly honest, I wanted to feel that what I was
thinking wasn't right.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
But it wasn't until two years later that Laurie shared
some disturbing information with her ex husband, Rob McLeod.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I'm talking to Laurie and she goes, well, that whole
weekend Casey went miss is not quite what I told you.
There's a little bit more to it than that.
Speaker 5 (17:27):
What did she say?
Speaker 4 (17:28):
She said, Scott took off the same weekend Casey did
on a solo mystery. I don't know where he went
camping trip.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Laurie and Rob weren't the only ones asking questions. In
early two thousand and six, Kimball became a suspect in
a case that Lafayette, Colorado detective Gary Thatcher was investigating.
When did you first hear of the name Scott Kimball?
Speaker 12 (17:52):
It was when I had an officer come to me
with this Chuck Frod case. That was the first time
I heard about him.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Learned that Kimball's job with the FBI was as a
paid criminal informant. He was also a con artist who
had spent most of his life racking up felony convictions
and prison time all over the Western United States. But
when Thatcher went to find Kimball, he was gone.
Speaker 12 (18:19):
Well, it was January two thousand and six. Initially I
was talking to Laurie about where is Scott Kimball, and
then she dropped that on me, as that Casey's missing
and she's suspicious of Scott. That was the eye opener
that you the check fraud is important here, but there's
a much bigger picture to this investigation.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
A warrant was put out for Kimball's arrest. Two months later,
US Marshalls tracked him down and after a dramatic high
speed chase through California's Coachella Valley, arrested the con man.
Now with Kimball safely in custody, Detective Thatcher made up
vow to Rob McLeod.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
He says, Rob's where the smoke, there's fire? He says
I will not forget Casey. I will not rest until
we figure out what happened to her.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
As thatcher dug deeper, he learned from the FBI that
Kimball was connected years earlier to yet another missing Colorado woman,
Jennifer Markham.
Speaker 12 (19:23):
Now it was just one more thing added onto the
pile of suspicion.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Jennifer was a struggling single mother who worked as a stripper.
On February seventeenth, two thousand and three, she visited her boyfriend,
drug dealer Steve Ennis, in prison. Shortly after that visit,
she vanished.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
His total anxiety began to wonder where is she?
Speaker 5 (19:51):
Her father, Bob Markham, like the other fathers, was stumped.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
All you can do is hope that maybe she'd been
arrested somehow. I'll put in jail. That's where she's at.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
How old did you go through that? For a year?
Then one day Bob's phone rang. It was an FBI
agent named Carl Slough.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
And they asked if Jennifer's there, and I said no.
At that point, Ath said that something bad may have
happened to her.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Agent Sloft revealed that Jennifer's car had been found abandoned
at the Denver Airport.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
It was after a while that we found out that
they had found it a year before, and nobody had
contacted it.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Didn't that seem odd.
Speaker 13 (20:33):
I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Markham kept pressing Schlof for answers, so the agent set
up a meeting with his informant, who had once shared
a prison cell with Jennifer's boyfriend. That informant was Scott Kimball.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
He told me he knew where she was, how she died,
how it happened. Everything.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Jennifer's mother, Mary Willis, came with Bob to this park
to meet Scott Kimball. He told them that Jennifer had
been killed by some of her boyfriend's drug associates. Kimball
said he had even seen pictures of her dead.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
He told me she was strangled, she was tied up,
and she was strangled from behind, and she put up
a fight.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
As he was telling you this, what were you thinking
of him?
Speaker 6 (21:30):
I was thinking, how could he know this?
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Then Kimball made Jennifer's parents a chilling offer.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
When we were done with the conversation, get ready to leave.
Then he came up and said, if you stay until tomorrow,
I'll go up in the mountains with you and take
yours up in the mountains to show you where she's at.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
You didn't go with him, neither did Direx wife. No,
why not?
Speaker 3 (21:53):
When we got done talking at the picnic table and stuff,
I'd already decided that Scott Kimball had killed my daughter.
I thought that if we went in the mountains with
him the next day or then, that they never see
us again.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
When Jennifer's parents brought their suspicions to Agent Slough, he
dismissed them and defended his informant.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
He trusted Shott Kimbell. Never should have trusted Scott Kimball.
I always had the impression that the FBI has meet
Scott to make it so we would feel badly about
what Jennifer was doing and how she'd been living in
her life. And I didn't care because I loved Jennifer
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and no.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Matter what she did, we.
Speaker 13 (22:41):
Want her back.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I think they really thought.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
That by doing this we would become one of the families.
They would just turn around and get on the airplane
and go back home, and Jennifer would just be disappear.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
So Bob Markham took matters into his own hands and
put up a billboard next to the strip club where
Jennifer had once danced.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
We wanted to try and find out if someone would
come forward to some information about her.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
It worked, and in June of six, this would have been
a couple months after Scott was apprehended. I'm reading in
the newspaper about Bob Markham putting up a billboard for
his missing daughter, for Jennifer Markham, and as I'm reading
the story, I come across Scott Kimball's name in the
story that he is the last one. Jennifer was spending
time with my heart about leapt out of my chest.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
When Rob called, he said we have something in common.
He said, my daughter disappeared and my ex wife is
married to Scott Kimball.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Hungry for more information, Bob went to see Laurie MacLeod and.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Then I asked, Laurie, is there anyone else that you
could think of that you've been around you and Scott
that you haven't ever seen again. And it was just
like a light bulb went off in her head. She
sat back in a chair and then she goes, oh
my god, She says, Uncle Terry came and lived with
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us for a couple of weeks, and then he left
and we'd never seen him again.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Scott Kimball's uncle, Terry Kimball, had vanished from their home
in two thousand and four.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
I immediately knew that I finally had something to go
to the FBI with.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
So, together Bob Markham and Rob McLeod, two fathers with
missing daughters, marched into the FBI's Denver office, and revealed
their suspicions about Scott Kimball to the new supervisor.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
The final thing we told them is, you guys have
a choice. You could be the hero of the zero.
Either look into it, or you can be the zero
and you can ignore us. I think they took it
as Wow, maybe there is something here, we better look
into it.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
In the fall of two thousand and six, just weeks
after Bob Markham and Rob McLeod met with the FBI,
special agent Jonathan Groosing was assigned to investigate Scott Kimball.
If you had to pick one thing that drives Scott Kimball,
what is it?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Greed? Most likely, and not only greed for money, but
he craves attention and he craves power as well.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Joining agent groosing on the case was Detective Gary Thatcher,
already a year into his own investigation of Kimball. Together,
they embarked on the most complex cat and mouse game
of their careers as they began to interview Kimball, who
was still in jail pending for odd charges.
Speaker 12 (26:01):
You know, he's very good with coming up with stories,
and so when you're sitting there listening to him, you're thinking,
how do I prove this? How do I disprove it?
How do I, you know, substantiate this with facts.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
One of Kimball's stories was that his uncle Terry, now
missing for two years, had won the Ohio Lottery and
moved to Mexico with a stripper.
Speaker 12 (26:21):
The Ohio State Lottery never paid out to Terry Kimball,
he was never a winner.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
The investigator suspected Terry was murdered when Kimball discovered he
had come into some money from a divorce.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Terry was carrying around thousands and thousands of dollars in
a briefcase he wouldn't let go of for me. That's
enough motive for him to kill Terry.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Next, Groosing and Thatcher focused on Jennifer Markham. She had
first come to Kimball's attention when he shared a cell
with her boyfriend Steve Ennis back in two thousand and two.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
And Scott Kimball saw pictures of Jennifer up on the
wall and she was a very attractive woman, and he
made such comments to Steve that he could find her
a good job when.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
He got out to prison. What was his real motive?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
His real motive was to have Jennifer for himself.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
The con man also wanted to get out of prison,
and he had a plan. Kimball convinced the FBI that
Jennifer Markham was part of a murder for higher plot.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
No information that I have says that she even knew
about this plot that Scott was spinning when he was
there in prison, But.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
The FBI bought Kimball's story at the time, and when
he was released in December two thousand and two, he
went to work as an informant in the phony case.
Two months later, Jennifer vanished, but while Goosing was trying
to figure out what actually happened to Jennifer, he got
an unexpected lead.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
So I interviewed Steve Nis about Jennifer's disappearance, and at
the end of the interview when we were about to
wrap up, he said, oh, and one other thing, there
was another guy down here in the prison that had
a girlfriend disappear that Scott might have had something to
do with.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
That inmate was Stephen Holly, Leanne Emory's boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I spoke with mister Emory and said, I'm doing an investigation.
I'm trying to speak with LeeAnne Emery. And he said,
we haven't seen Leanne since two thousand and three.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
And when you heard those words, what thoughts?
Speaker 1 (28:29):
One thing I did send a chill down my spine
because I knew then that this was going to be
another victim of Scott Kimball.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Investigators felt they could prove that when they found Leanne's
picture or hair dyed brown on Kimball's laptop. Boulder County
Prosecutor Amy Akoubo, Oh my god.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
The last person that Casey was known to be with
was Scott Kimball.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
Oh my god.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
The last person that Jennifer Markham was known to be
with was Scott Kimball.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Oh my god.
Speaker 7 (28:57):
LeeAnne Emory was the last person that Scott Kimball was with.
And so bit by bit, piece by piece, it became
apparent just how dangerous he was.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
But there were still no bodies and the con man
was admitting to nothing. Investigators kept pushing, and finally, in
April two thousand and eight, Kimball dropped a hint.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
He said in this meeting that there was a girl
who died of a drug overdose that was on national
forest land.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
Groosing had a receipt showing Kimball was in Walden, Colorado,
near a national forest. That same weekend, Casey McLeod went missing.
He called the Forest Service.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I asked if they had any missing people up there.
I ended up speaking with basically the phone receptionists, and
she said no, but a skull was found up here
last winter, so maybe you can check on that.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
A hunter had stumbled across the skull. Groosing ordered a
DNA test on the remains and they proved to be
Casey McLeod's. Finally, the Scott Kimball case was an official
homicide investigation.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
And he went to great links to conceal these bodies,
and I believe he thought no one would ever find them.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
After four long years, Rob McLeod finally had an answer
to his prayers.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
One way or another, She's coming home.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
She's not lost anymore, and Laurie McLeod's worst nightmares were realized.
What do you think really happened?
Speaker 8 (30:42):
I believe Scott planted the drugs to set everything up.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
That was to get her out of the house. Yes,
so he can get her, just separate us. Yes, you
find out that the man that you married, the man
who said he was going to be there to help
you find Casey, you now find out that he may
have been one who killed her.
Speaker 8 (31:01):
Yes, it's impossible to describe knowing that you've married your
daughter's murderer.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
But with no evidence of how Casey died and with
no other bodies, prosecutors worried they still did not have
enough to put Kimball on trial for murder.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
Meeting after meeting after meeting, and briefing and continual here's
all the evidence that we have. Do you think we
have enough yet?
Speaker 5 (31:30):
In December two thousand and eight, prosecutors got one step
closer to putting Kimball away for good when he was
sentenced to forty eight years on his recent nonviolent crimes.
But lead prosecutor Katerina Booth wanted more.
Speaker 14 (31:45):
What we wanted him marked for, of course, is the
violent murderer.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
That he is, so prosecutors made a difficult decision. They
offered Kimball a deal, no charges a first degree murder
if he would lead them to the three missing bodies.
Kimball accepted, and in the winter of two thousand and nine,
he led authorities to the remote canyons of eastern Utah,
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where he claimed they would find the remains of Leanne
Emery and Jennifer Markham.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Every day he was full of energy, and he gave
us to do list. Did you do this? Did you
get satellite imagery? Did you get a plane to fly
me over?
Speaker 5 (32:29):
Kimball spent days leading the FBI and the Grand County
Sheriff's Department on a fruitless search for Leanne. But then
agent Grusing spotted something.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
This is that right in here?
Speaker 5 (32:41):
Right in here? Yeah? What exactly did you see? Down there?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Some bones where the big boulder is. And then there
was a rock to the left. Lifted up the rock
and it was a hair clip with hair by that time,
and it was her.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Leanne Emery had lain on this lonely canyon ledge for
six years.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
She had a high potential and she just took the
wrong four got involved with the wrong people, and she
didn't deserve.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
This found near her bones was a spent bullet. It
matched Scott Kimball's gun.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
We believe that Scott marched her up here and executed her.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
What do you suppose Scott Kimball murdered.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Lean Leanne had been dragged into laundering money for Scott,
So I believe that Leanne had served her purpose and
that he was done with her, and that's why he
took her up here and killed her.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
Now only one missing woman remained. But is this suspected
serial killer finally ready to reveal what happened to Jennifer Markham?
Do you know?
Speaker 6 (34:01):
You know?
Speaker 5 (34:01):
I believe I do.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I think Scott enjoys manipulating people. He's very good at
twisting the truth.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
After taking investigators to the body of Leanne Emery, Scott
Kimball told them where to find the remains of his
uncle Terry, but his leads about Jennifer Markham's body in
Utah turned up empty.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
We not only searched it with Scott here, we came
back and searched it with Grand County with canine units.
We searched it with the geologists. We've flown over it
with airplanes, and nothing's here.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Do you know exactly where?
Speaker 2 (34:50):
No?
Speaker 14 (34:50):
I believe I know the area, the area, and we
have to realize I was at the location one time
it was dark. I was there once.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Scott Kimball insists he's trying to help find Jennifer, But
is it just another con.
Speaker 14 (35:06):
I've made every effort to help them with Jennifer. I've
told him I'd take a polygraph to make sure that
I'm being truthful in the direction that I've given him
what I remember.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
He's very methodical, he's very careful where he puts his victims,
and I give it basically zero probability that he has
forgotten where Jennifer Markham is.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Nevertheless, in October two thousand and nine, the families of
Scott Kimball's victims gather in court.
Speaker 12 (35:38):
It was nice to be able to be there, to
look him in the eye and you watch him take
some accountability.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
The con man had been charged with second degree murder.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Scott Lee Kimball's caused death to Terry Kimball, and Scott
Lee Kimball would cause.
Speaker 15 (35:51):
Death with Jennifer Markham. Dan every and case and cloud,
how do you play Hilty?
Speaker 5 (35:56):
You're not guilty, kilty, And with that word guilty, a
monumental six year case finally comes to an end.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
You never gave up for those families because you can
only imagine the torture they went through and.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
Their distress and sadness.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
And now Bob Markham and Rob McLeod, the two fathers
whose determination forced the FBI to investigate what happened to
their daughters, addressed the court.
Speaker 15 (36:30):
Casey Don McLeod was my firstborn daughter. I was present
right there the very first moment she took her first breath.
Scott Kimball was there to take her last.
Speaker 13 (36:42):
Scott Kimball has destroyed our lives.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
Our lives will never get the same.
Speaker 13 (36:47):
How many other people are missing as a result of
his life.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
And Howard Emery finally confronts Hannibal. My daughter was a.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Young woman with feelings and dreams, yeps, and to treat
her like trash is despicable. He is a liar, a deceiver,
a murderer for.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
The deaths of four people. Scott Kimball is sentenced to
seventy years, but he insists he's not a serial killer.
I'm just a guy.
Speaker 14 (37:19):
People could call me cold blooded, cold hearted, but you'll
find dozens of people that will say just the opposite.
He'll give you the shirt off his back.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
He freely admits only to the murder of his own
uncle and speaks in riddles about the three young women.
Speaker 14 (37:33):
I did kill Terry Kimball, I did, and for the
other three, I was a mechanism.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
I was part of the mechanics. Mechanism could be many things.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
Mechanism could be the person pulled in trigger.
Speaker 14 (37:44):
It could be it could be the person that are
arranged for the hit or the death or whatever you
want to call it. And there's a lot, a lot
it could be.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
If there were other people involved who committed the murders.
You're not going to reveal what it was.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
Never will I reveal who it was.
Speaker 14 (37:57):
I'm not the FBI, I'm not the police.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Investigators, say Kimball won't name accomplices for a very good reason.
They don't exist.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
I think the murders of these women are very private
to him. I believe there was some sort of sexual
attraction for him as well that he didn't like to
talk about. I believe that's why he's able to take
responsibility for Uncle Terry's death, because it was purely for
financial gain, but there was something else involved with Scott
and these three girls.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
Whatever darkness fuels got Kimball's murderous rampage. The victims' families
are grateful the FBI finally helped unmask the killer. Did
anyone from the FBI ever apologize to you?
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Repeatedly, Lay says, We're sorry, this is all happened. He
hoodwinked us. He's fooled everybody.
Speaker 5 (38:49):
Yet they remain angry at the system and agent Carl Schlof,
whose negligence they say gave Kimball the freedom to commit
the murders.
Speaker 8 (38:58):
If someone were watching, Scott Casey would still be here today.
Jennifer was the person he was let out of prison
to monitor, and she went missing almost immediately.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
Jim Davis of the FBI's Denver office says, the FBI
cannot constantly monitor criminal informants.
Speaker 16 (39:17):
We can't control them twenty four hours a day. We
just we don't have the resources to do that, and
really we don't have the authority to do it. You know,
this case is a tragedy. I mean it's a tragedy
for the victims. It's a tragedy for the victims' families.
But to be clear, you know that the individual responsible
for that is Scott Kemball, And it's not the FBI,
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it's it's not anybody else. It is him.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
He did it. Although we use the phrase dealing with
the devil, I guess you were dealing with the devil
in this case.
Speaker 16 (39:46):
He is as close as I've seen.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
What remains are shattered lives, but at least two lost
daughters have finally come home.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
As long as I'm alive, her memory is always going
to be there, and I have to reconcile the fact
that I won't ever see her again.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Casey's loss is like the background noise of my life.
I can find joy and happiness and feel normal a
lot of the time, but when it's quiet, she's that
background noise that's always there.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
However, the search for Jennifer Markham continues. As her father
waits for news that may never come. He takes solace
in the fact that it was his perseverance that helped
put his daughter's killer away. The possibility today exists that
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you may never know where she's buried.
Speaker 13 (40:52):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
I really would like to have my daughter's body pack.
But knowing Scott Campbell is in prison, and that he's
not going to be getting out of prison for at
least thirty five years means more to me than you
can imagine. And to me, my daughter's souls in heaven
and wherever her body is, it'll be joined back with
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her soul.
Speaker 13 (41:19):
Someday.
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