The Billings Family Murder That Shocked the World! (True Crime Documentary)

The Billings Family Murder That Shocked the World! (True Crime Documentary)

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Bird and Melody Billings were inside their spacious home when
investigators believe men dressed as Ninja's launched a commando style
raid on their compound. In just a few minutes, the
Billings were dead and a safe inside was missing. The
search for suspects began with an important clue video of
a large passenger van seen at the crime scene.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
For that matter, I'm not capable of what happened there.
I'm not capable of that. Do you believe my van
was there? I think, yeah, okay, I think I need
an attorney them.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
No, what's long? Order A whole bunch. I've seen. This
is exactly how they do it. Don't ask everybody the questions.
There are actors.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
Man.

Speaker 5 (00:41):
This is Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Junior, a karate instructor who
thought he could get away with murdering two people during
a robbery. The victims were Bird and Melanie Billings, parents
of sixteen children, most of them with disabilities. What Gonzales
didn't know is that his own father and several members
of his crew would soon turn against him, exposing the

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entire plan.

Speaker 6 (01:03):
Here's we thank you should go.

Speaker 7 (01:08):
Okay, I like my age, just like I killed I
know going to say some before out me. But he's
aw we say some able to kill us.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
And film pat said he killed about them, Yes, sir,
I'm pretty sure he said yea. These words.

Speaker 5 (01:28):
Those were the words of Leonard Gonzalez Senior, Frederick Thornton,
and Wayne Coldern, three of the seven men who took
part in the robbery that ended in double homicide on
one July evening in two thousand and nine. Detectives would
soon uncover false leads about the Mexican mafia, a hidden safe,
and a network of accomplices. It all led to one

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death penalty, conviction and lengthy sentences for nearly everyone else involved.
On July ninth, two thousand and nine, a red van
and a gold suv pulled up to the buildings large
home in Pensacola, Florida. Three men dressed head to toe
when black jumped out. One wore a jacket marked with
a double dragon karate insignia. They moved quickly. One headed

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to the garage, two forced their way through the front door.
Inside were eleven of the couple's sixteen adopted children, ranging
from toddlers to young teens, many with serious physical and
developmental disabilities.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Patrick. Yes, Patrick went on in a child turn around.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
What happened next was a nightmare. What happened inside was brutal.
Bird Billings was asleep when the intruders broke in. He
stepped into the hallway and was told you're going to die.
A child heard the countdown. Bird shouted no way again
and again. Then came the gunfire. He was hit seven times.

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One of the kids said he saw his dad grab
the back of one of the men's necks like he
tried to fight. Melanie was shot in the chest execution style,
and I like, my age.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Is like killed.

Speaker 7 (03:07):
And it was like, if we tell anybody else, I
don't really want to say that, we're going to say
so before me.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
We say saldill kill us and film.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
The intruders rushed was safe and carried it out, but
it was the wrong one. The safe they grabbed had
paperwork and small items. Just a few feet away was
the real safe, holding hundreds of thousands in cash. At
seven fifteen pm, the men fled, but they left behind
the most important clue, the Billings home security cameras.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
The search for suspects began with an important clue video
of a large passenger van seen at the crime scene.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
Law enforcement quickly traced the red van and brought Leonard
Patrick Gonzalez Junior, who goes by Patrick, in for questioning.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
We appreciate whatever I can do.

Speaker 8 (04:00):
I don't you know, believe me.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
When I saw the the pictures on the uh TV,
I mean, I was like, damn, like you know, and
not the other guy.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
You know.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
So I'm thinking, you know me, what guy, the guy
that this is about. This is about that thing in Beautile, right,
That's what my mom told me. Yeah, so yeah, So
I was like, shit, I mean, you.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Saw the picture of the band on TV.

Speaker 9 (04:20):
Yeah, man, that's your band. Excuse me, that picture is
the same band that's in You're going.

Speaker 8 (04:26):
Right, similar, similar, very similar to that band.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
But no, it's not.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
It can't be the same band. It's not the same band.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Okay, who is that?

Speaker 8 (04:36):
Because it it can't be the same band.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
I mean, what do you mean? Oh okay, I understand
what you're saying. Why at the end, because that.

Speaker 8 (04:46):
I mean, that band was it's been over there.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
I mean it couldn't have they spent your dad's puny.

Speaker 9 (04:54):
Yeah, okay, I guess it's didn't you know about the
death investigation you know about Mr bud Yes, mkay T.
I guess we'll start.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
How do you know him? I've known him?

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Let's see you about two years ago he made a
donation of Project fight Back.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
What do you mean by a donation? He gave us
five thousand dollars five thousand? Did about alone? I think
you just get it to us. I said, Ah, that's
how you're doing. Yeah, that's how you made it. Yep. Kay.
And what happened from there?

Speaker 2 (05:38):
That's I mean I haven't spoken with him and or
seen him in a couple of years.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
In a couple of years.

Speaker 6 (05:46):
Did you ever have a studio out in pace?

Speaker 8 (05:48):
Yes, that's the one that he helped me with.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Oh, well maybe a year a year and a half.
It was the La that studio.

Speaker 8 (05:54):
It was a Project fight Back, but it was ultimate
Martial Arts.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
We were teaching the UDT stuff and uh, that's stuff there.
It's about a year and a half, two years ago.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
Oh talking about martial arts, Yes, sir, and that's all
my wh Where where's that at?

Speaker 3 (06:07):
I've heard of it? That was on Woodbine. We closed
down him Woodbine, that's right, Okay, didn't work out or
what I know? They they had called me, they had
called him. Not hear it yet? Got bad? Didn't it? So?
Now did he?

Speaker 8 (06:23):
Was he business partners for a year?

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Are he just long as you might have h No him.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
He I went to cab and asked him for some
money and to see if I could get some money
for the studio and for project.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
And he said he might have someone that'll make a donation.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
And originally I was hoping he would be a business partner,
but he said, I can't do that.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
He says, but I will do.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
This, And he freaking gave us five thousand dollars like
it was nothing.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Just here you go, just like m just like that,
first time anyone's ever done that. How much? How much
you get? Five thousand? That's pretty very yeah, yeah, very
very gent.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
I mean the thing is, I even told him I'd
come train him and his family and everything.

Speaker 8 (07:08):
That's why I'm just like blown away by.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
The whole thing. I told him I teaching defensive tactics
and everything.

Speaker 9 (07:13):
So you met him through cam mm hey hoo kind
of hood yum and y'all, And you only met him.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
At one time one time. No, I came in another
time and saw him. I came in another time. In fact,
I met him the first time and then I came
in and that's when he gave me the money, cause
I gave him a proposal about Project fight Back and
everything and information. That's how I met him. I mean,
he's pretty he was interested in UDT. I mean, he's
very security conscious in his office. He's got monitors where

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he could see everything in his house all the time.
I mean, this guy was well prepared. I'm surprised this
went down like this without a.

Speaker 8 (07:51):
Shootout or something, you know.

Speaker 5 (07:53):
Patrick told detectives the house was fully wired with cameras,
insisting he would never be reckless enough to target it.
The Billings had home surveillance everywhere, covering the outside perimeter
and nearly every room inside except the master bedroom. Their nanny,
April Spencer, explained the system was meant to monitor the
couple's eleven children for safety. It was Spencer who first

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discovered the aftermath after receiving a frantic call from the
Billing's ten year old son with down syndrome, who had
witnessed the attack. But according to Patrick Gonzalez, the cameras
weren't just for watching the kids. He claimed they were
a protection against the Mexican mafia.

Speaker 9 (08:32):
So you get home and I probably did, but you
don't remember what time you get home.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
No, I mean it's probably around I don't know, eight
or nine, something like that, too late.

Speaker 9 (08:42):
Yeah, okay, did how'd you want up hearing about the murder.

Speaker 8 (08:51):
On the television?

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Ah? What'd you think? Well?

Speaker 2 (08:56):
They said it was a red sub and I'm going
I know that, guy, I've got a red SUV and
I'm thinking that sh you know what I mean. And
then they came back later and said it was a
red van. About that time, I was like, really, oh,
that's just great. That's what about the person? Then I
heard about the wife and realized that was what happened
about it. That's really messed up.

Speaker 8 (09:17):
Everybody knows mister.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Dillons was involved in a lot of stuff.

Speaker 8 (09:20):
So I mean, that's.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
What was he involved in?

Speaker 8 (09:25):
M just I mean he's dead now, Yeah, help help us?

Speaker 9 (09:30):
I know, maybe we I mean, what you think might
not be significant might be significant.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Dues.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
I don't know I made any trouble with anything, cause
I sure don't want to testify against some people.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
I don't wanna do that, so I'm not gonna.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I I don't I don't wanna put myself in jeopardy,
So we'll just say that he had business partners that
were rather than scrupulous. He was known for it on
the street at least i'd heard, and UH like.

Speaker 10 (09:55):
Hey, I mean say we got it.

Speaker 11 (09:58):
We don't find out let me say that, say that
I am. You know you might not be in a
position to feel this way. Okay, you're suspect in this
right now. That's what we're in here trying to tell
you from a get we're trying to do that. Why
do you think you're here? Why do you think I
was asking you where you're at?

Speaker 3 (10:16):
I thought you were asking everybody that.

Speaker 11 (10:18):
Everybody's a suspect right now. Everybody everybody's but you. You're
not in that position to sit up here and tell us.
You're not gonna tell us this. You need to let us.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
Be the judge of what we need to know. We're
trying to help you out in this situation. And I
wasn't worried about what's gonna happen down the road.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
As far as that I've got six kids, I can
appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
But we're you know, you're not gonna be Your business
is not gonna be put out in the street.

Speaker 11 (10:47):
What you're saying, what I'm saying stays in this room.
Well it's right that well, I mean, but you are
you asking tell us about the rumors? That's all we're
asking what they call you path? Oh, we're asking any path. Wait,
don't asking you to make shut up?

Speaker 9 (11:08):
And what you' and again you might not think it's
like you said, it's rumors and stuff.

Speaker 10 (11:13):
Might be something that we need.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
To know and that we don't know.

Speaker 8 (11:18):
Because you don't, you buried, You don't how the straight work.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Sometimes y'all know more than we do most of the time.

Speaker 11 (11:26):
Matter of fact, See, you could be sitting here rear
confirming what we already know or what or you might
have that one piece of that puzzle that that we
don't have.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
But you don't need to sit there and hold it
back from us right now because you're still in the
mix of everything you do.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
You see what I'm saying, You see what I'm trying
to say. Everybody's still in the mix.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
I'm worried about me because I'm anything, but I just
don't want these other guys coming up.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
But you don't know what everybody else is saying about you, though,
either I'm not worried about well, I'm just saying just
just be you know, truck straight up? Was you think
it's rumor? Tell us the rumor and let us be the.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Judge of that. That's all. That's all I'm.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Asking you said, a plan, it's r okay rumored that
he has business acquaintances with certain Mexican people.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Is that enough? What that he that are in Alabama?
That the hell would that be? I mean, I hate
to be read and I shouldn't even touch not because
of Mexican How would that be enough? What kind of it? Who?

Speaker 12 (12:34):
In me?

Speaker 3 (12:35):
What is that?

Speaker 8 (12:36):
The Mexican mob here?

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Okay? Associated with them? That's what you? Alright? What what
kind of dealers you're talking about her? I mean, like
I said, that's just the word that he cleans money
for him, that's all. Who's who's this contact person with?

(12:58):
Who was his contact? I don't know. I don't know
what point around about like Lilian, That's all I know.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
I don't know anything else on that. At this point,
it's getting kind of this is a scary situation.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
That is I don't wanna talk about this. I mean
I really don't.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
I really don't unless you guys can guarantee me that
I'm safe from anything that they could do.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
One nothing.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
I'm not gonna step on these people or uh uh.
These are the kind of people that I think. That's
what I think happened over there.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
You know what I mean? I think why you killed
that these this man and his why?

Speaker 13 (13:38):
I just I mean, I.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Watched the History Channel. I I watch Gangland. I know
about all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
M others are more uh huh you do some people
do you you do? And that's what you think in
it said and like to be able to hit it.
That's what I think. One man, gang faighters, I mean, uh,
the ma, the Maxkan Mama. That's what you're thinking when

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I think, but what g what makes you think that?
Just give me your fa what's your opinion?

Speaker 2 (14:12):
The whole thing, the way that it happened, I mean,
to to hurt a woman, I mean, no one would
you know what I'm saying. The whole thing, the way
it happened was just to you know what I'm saying.
And then the same thing in Alabama right after that,
I'm thinking, that's what happened all about When they're then.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
The same people do It's something in Alabama. That's a
husband and wife at a bar or something like that. Wow.

Speaker 8 (14:41):
That and that's where these guys are.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
So don't say about the same same time as this.

Speaker 14 (14:46):
What now?

Speaker 8 (14:47):
Yeah, wow, we met some kids, you know.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
There's why i'd had time rage faper or watch the
vave Bensby. Well, I thought they connected them too.

Speaker 14 (14:53):
Well.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
I don't know how now we have.

Speaker 8 (14:55):
We don't got in touch with the Lillian people or
folio or whatever.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Yeah, I mean we've taught did anything.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Well, I don't, I mean not. All I know is
that that's rumor on the street. This is the room
the street. I don't know anything more than that about that.
As far as as far as the vehicle, y'all are
welcome to inspect that, you.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Know, that's fine. I mean.

Speaker 5 (15:21):
Bird Billings built his well through a chain of used
car dealerships across Escambia County. One of them, Hispanic American
Auto Sales, was co managed with Henry cab Tice, a
longtime associate who ran operations and later became a name
Patrick Gonzalez, dropped during interrogation. Cab had hired a Spanish

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speaking manager, Silvano Gonzalez, no relation to Patrick. To expand
their customer base. When the dealership began struggling, Silvano arranged
a twenty thousand dollars loan, then revealed the source, the
Mexican Mafia. If the debt wasn't paid, he warned they
would come after everyone, Cab, Bird and their families. The

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loan destroyed the partnership, leaving Bird and Cab bitter enemies,
with reports suggesting Cab may have owed Bird hundreds of
thousands of dollars. During this time, Patrick Gonzales Junior was
connecting to both men. He worked for a Cab at
Auto Land and gave him martial arts lessons, while also
borrowing five thousand dollars from Bird to open a dojo.

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The dojo quickly failed, and Patrick never repaid the loan.
These ties planted the idea in Patrick's mind that he
could link Bird to the so called Mexican Mafia and
shift suspicion away from himself, but detectives didn't believe it
for a second Anyways.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
That van doesn't even match the same van that was
over there. I don't think that's, you know, the same deal, because.

Speaker 11 (16:46):
I can look at it and see just by these pictures,
there no.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
By laying your eyes on the thing on television and
that picture and then looking at what I got. In fact,
the one on television was a different I mean, that's
a different vehicle, which that one was a lot nicer
than the one that but that this.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Is that's the only one day showing on TV right now?

Speaker 11 (17:07):
Yeah, okay, look, how look how the story of this
ship is. Okay, this is what you're seeing on TV.
This not might may may not necessarily be what we've got.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yeah, yeah, y'all got digitizers and all that kind of stuff, you.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
Know, y'all. So you can't tell me for sure this
is not your van, Yes I can. You can tell
me right now that you aren't driving it that day.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
But I I knew that that man was there, that
that man was not involved in anything.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Cause your dad. Was you at your dad's house that day? Yes,
I did. I came by there that now, you know.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Yes, And by the time I got home, my dad
was three sheets in the wind.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
So I'm telling you now, right.

Speaker 11 (17:50):
But what I'm trying to say, I'm not accusing of
your dad or you. I'm just saying you cannot confirm
everything he does.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
No, not if I'm not there, That's what I'm saying.
That's all I'm saying. You don't know what he did, dollars,
you weren't there with it. I know he was drinking
well and probably took a flex a rill on top
of it.

Speaker 9 (18:12):
Do you understand where we're at and while we're eliminating
from trying to eliminate you, Yes, I do.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Tell me when you get it. Tell me, first of all,
I know what you think.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Anybody that's got a van that's similar events to the
description of what you're looking for, you're gonna question.

Speaker 13 (18:30):
I understand that.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Not only that's one part. And now I saw that
you have CAB's name written down, so you probably know that.

Speaker 8 (18:36):
I know that him and Cab aren't the.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Best of friends, which I know, and I'm dear friends
with Cabin.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
I believe me, I never had any problem with.

Speaker 9 (18:48):
But now we've got you with a red man who
knows our victim.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yeah, I know, that's I understand. That's why you're calling
that you're in that group, that circle, a circle you're in.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
It, I understand. But the thing is, why didn't do anything?
Let's work our way out of it. Then I didn't
get my way in it. I'm just gonna give you
whatever questions you asked me, I don't get it all.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
His answer, you're in it, but you're in it, how fun?
Just get you out of it because you're in it,
whether you like it or not. How uncomfortable it is.

Speaker 8 (19:21):
It's very uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
I understand that it's.

Speaker 8 (19:23):
Extremely uncomfortable being in this room like that. I wish
there was jou mirra in here or something.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
Well, so you see you have well, you know it's
the stupid what do you have a mirror? As ever,
it's stupid, doesn't matter. So you've been out here.

Speaker 8 (19:38):
For no watch long order a whole bunch.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
I'm seeing exactly. This is exactly how they do it.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
Just like ask everybody the questions there are as man,
that's pretend life.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
This is real. Right, you're in the big leagues. This
is the big leagues. I understand that. But I also
understand that the right your room called me. They said
it right going.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
In the van there or two different things.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
My eye you know, hm, I said that, you don't
know the others We got in and I believe we've
got the right.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Band here, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
But you do you believe my band is the right man.
The band that was, sir, you believe my band was that.
I think so, man, Okay, I think I need an attorney. Then,
in fact, I do need an attorney. If we're doing.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
That, nobody's accusing you of doing it. I didn't tell
you not. I said, that's my opinion.

Speaker 8 (20:44):
That means a lot. You're the chief investigator.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
I'm not a chief investigator.

Speaker 8 (20:48):
You're investigator in the Golden.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
I've watched the show, and the show the show's gonna
get you in trouble. We'll talk to 'em.

Speaker 15 (21:00):
Watch the show, then you know it's TV.

Speaker 5 (21:04):
Patrick's story collapsed almost immediately on July twelfth, two thousand
and nine. The very next day, his father, Leonard Patrick
Gonzalez Senior, came forward and told detectives everything. Florida Assistant
State Attorney John Malkin later described it bluntly. Instead of
going fishing, they went out to commit a robbery. Leonard

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said it was Patrick who organized the entire plan, choosing
who could enter the house, who would stay back, and
how the money would be divided. He identified Wayne Colderan
as part of the crew, likely the one driving the van.
The rest, he said, were four young black men he
only knew by nicknames like Slim and g According to him,

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they showed up on the day of the crime, heavily
armed and followed Patrick's lead.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Okay, you pull on the driveway. What happens here?

Speaker 16 (21:55):
Everybody? John shan Nor's cake it hop? Okay, all right,
and that's all I thought it was.

Speaker 14 (22:04):
Okay, people, all right, I'm gonna show you a photograph
of the house because you mentioned where they went in,
and it's a nighttime photograph.

Speaker 17 (22:14):
But could you point to those doors that you're talking
about and just put an X mark where you're talking about,
and then one and then put your initials?

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Mind if you don't mind, or we get up.

Speaker 6 (22:29):
Two, Bobby, can you holler for a sharpie because it's
not coming out? And then there's one right there?

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Okay, okay, you a sharp house? All right?

Speaker 17 (22:43):
Then there one and you're telling me right here right here? Yeah, okay,
all right, I'm gonna go. I gotta get a darker
pin for what all you do is to initial those okay?
And then you said you were you were still in
the band.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
What did you do next? Got in the driver's seat?
Uh huh.

Speaker 16 (23:05):
They told me to get into driver's seat and turn
it around, and I ain't gonna get it in the driver's
seat and put the damn only two doors getting into.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
The back of it.

Speaker 16 (23:12):
On the outside, I would say, I'm not plumb dumb,
but shit always there, so I must be.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Mkay alright, And then what happens after that?

Speaker 16 (23:29):
We get down in the yard, doors open on them,
Everything's going fine, and then all of a sudden.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Right out, right right out. Mkay, m what just thing?
When you've heard about file file file file out?

Speaker 16 (23:45):
I like to shut on myself my thought. Oh dear god, no,
Now I'm hoping they're just shooting in the set it
in or some kind they shit trying to scare the
handle out of somebody.

Speaker 17 (24:00):
And you said earlier there were all kind of different
SI types of guns. But do you remember if Wayne
had a big gun or a handgun.

Speaker 6 (24:08):
And he had a hand gun?

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Okay, do you remember if.

Speaker 17 (24:11):
Pat had a big gun or a handgun?

Speaker 3 (24:16):
Hey?

Speaker 6 (24:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Do you remember if the Blacks had big guns.

Speaker 6 (24:21):
Or hand think big guns?

Speaker 17 (24:24):
Big guns? When when we say big guns, are we
talking like this or you know, like this, or how
do I how describe to me what you mean by
big gun streets where were okay? Alright, kay, they come back,
they get the van.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Where do you go?

Speaker 6 (24:45):
We go down about two or three blocks I don't know,
Dave Road.

Speaker 16 (24:50):
You take a left, swap everything out of the van,
Wayne and I take the van, take a right, go
straight back to my house.

Speaker 6 (25:00):
And we got down around Mobile Highway.

Speaker 16 (25:04):
And uh where that Alabama Produce mark used to be
and uh County of Mountain kinds slinging around and going
r I said, oh ship, we know where they going?
Uh mkay, And y'all went on to your house, yes, sir, kay, alright,

(25:27):
what happened there? What happened that your house was Gone's house?
Put the van up, put the van back into thing. Uh.

Speaker 14 (25:46):
Was there a discussion about splitting up the stuff there
at the house?

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (25:50):
When everything is taken care of, then wan'na splittered up?

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Who said they? What do you after?

Speaker 14 (25:56):
He g?

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Okay, was he did he have the stuff? I don't
know something you've got it? What does an to steal
bother you? Real quick? Okay? Oh go ahead.

Speaker 17 (26:10):
Okay, when right you're at the house at just pointed
to where we decided to paint it all.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Yeah, okay, very briefly tell us what you did to
lead to the van.

Speaker 16 (26:25):
Painted the shit out of the side of it. That
wouldn't change in my co cort and we were scared.
I said, well, help mission, hereatic gas and I'll change
the cloor. So I've wrote about fifty fifty uratic gas.
And then you can see one size red, one size purple.

Speaker 14 (26:46):
Okay, Uh, do you know where any of the guns
are or might be?

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Now?

Speaker 16 (26:52):
No, sir, I have not the biggest idea, So helpe
you God.

Speaker 14 (26:56):
Now I believe Now what about Wayne? Has he said
anything about his gun, where it is or what he
did with it?

Speaker 4 (27:04):
All right?

Speaker 3 (27:05):
And you know what kind of gun he had?

Speaker 14 (27:07):
What happened when the black men came over to your
house the day y'all went to do the robbery? Who
who introduced them to you? Was Wayne there and introduced
them to you?

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Wayne was there? Patrick? Was there?

Speaker 6 (27:22):
Into four blacks?

Speaker 16 (27:23):
And here by this kind of my native Frank.

Speaker 14 (27:28):
Well, that's why I was getting ready to ask you,
what's the What names did the blacks give you? I'm
sure there must give you may have given you false names.
One of them was Gene was what g g I
liked the letter g correct.

Speaker 6 (27:45):
Okay. The other one was, uh, I.

Speaker 16 (27:52):
Wanna say David or Ricky or some kind of shit
like that, but I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Okay, that's good now, Okay, okay one h huh that's
a number.

Speaker 14 (28:14):
Okay, let's see, I think we could not co Yeah,
let's uh talk about let me step out and see
and talk to small people and see. I'm considering letting
you call your son and try and convince him to
come in and uh talk to us.

Speaker 6 (28:31):
When we do that fun it's I always show let
my ask all.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Let me go.

Speaker 17 (28:38):
Alright, for the record, mister, as you're stepping out, and
I'm gonna I'm gonna do a little mop up work, okay,
for this official statement, Okay, and then I'll turn it
off out from there.

Speaker 16 (28:47):
I'll tag that yes, uh, further record, is there any
chance of me going home tonight?

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Miss? I'm sorry, I can't. I can't let you go.

Speaker 5 (28:59):
Detectives now question Wayne Colderon. He had been a long
time associate of Leonard Gonzalez, often considered his right hand man.
Colderon had worked with Leonard on car repairs and other
odd jobs, and had known Patrick since Patrick was a teenager.
During questioning. Colderon eventually cooperated and identified Patrick Gonzalez as
the ringleader, but in the early stages of the interrogation,

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the detectives grew frustrated with his vague answers and his
inability to clearly connect the events.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
See you see, I've been sitting here, You've been what
with us? Now you want to get us off your chest.
You want to tell us that you want to tell
us the big show us the big picture. Okay, you
said something about you're concerned with the safety of your friend.
I can appreciate that. He tells you what we can do.

(29:51):
But Wayanne will tell you some son, this is not
gonna go away. How are you forty so you're still
a young man. He tells me that all the time.
You know, you still got a good your second half
of your line to go. But you you're gonna sit here,
and it wasn't And once we leave this room, you

(30:14):
can just pretty much thrown it away. I mean, and
I'm sure they told you your cooperation and your statements
will be beneficial to help us out there on this,
but it can also it can also be beneficial for you.
We don't need we don't really need it. But my question,

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you are you sitting here telling me are you ready
to tell me?

Speaker 3 (30:43):
You ready?

Speaker 4 (30:44):
You're ready, and you're willing to take that chance in
front of a jury. Are you willing to take that
chance that you're gonna you know, you're gonna walk by
just what you told us. You ain't told us nothing.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
You want.

Speaker 15 (30:57):
I can see you want to tell us.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
You want to be straight up with us.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
And just cause you got caught up in this shit, man,
don't make you a bad person. It may makes you
a person that made the wrong choice.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Do I believe you intended to.

Speaker 15 (31:15):
Anybody get hurt?

Speaker 18 (31:17):
Nah?

Speaker 3 (31:17):
I think so.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
I think something once ay everybody got there, something went
wrong and somebody panicked.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
I don't know. I mean.

Speaker 14 (31:31):
The cerel surveillance takes surnarios, that's what they keep telling me.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
I don't I I don't ever known that. W h No,
there was something outside cause y'all got a picture of
the lamp. You donna pick that? Damn up?

Speaker 10 (31:52):
Wait you howde it been from Ray Charleston?

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Say that? Yeah, and you show me pictures that we're
taking other bodies.

Speaker 10 (32:07):
That wasn't surveillance. It was us taking pictures.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
That's the product that was left behind. You know, if
you not listen to it was damn damn right if.

Speaker 10 (32:19):
Nasty, and that's what we wanted.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
No answers.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
H Wait, I you know, look at me, bruh. I
don't care. H. Mister Billings may not have been the
best person in the world.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
I don't even know. Listen to listen to them.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Okay, that's fine, but that man didn't and his wife
didn't have it that. There was no need for them
to go out that way, No, sir, to be they
didn't deserve what they got.

Speaker 15 (32:57):
No, eight children now now they were our parents.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
Those eight children has got this handicap, this ability depended
on those people.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
That's no more.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Okay, think about your children, the children. You got kids, correct,
I've got kids white. If I if this happened to me,
I would hope somebody would work as hard as we've
been working, and and and the people that we've been
talking to was willing to step up this plate. You

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cooperate and being straight up with us. Tonight is gonna
go will go a long way.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Later on down the.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
Road, it will go a long way, cause, like we
said earlier, we're getting to the point now where we're
we're finished.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
You know. You know, I'm tired.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
We've been working this year since since Thursday night.

Speaker 15 (33:57):
We're getting I'm tired. I hadn't been able to see
my face.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
I only go home to take me about the hour
power that a shower, and then we're back out here.

Speaker 15 (34:08):
You don't want to you don't want to walk out.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
This door like this. This is not the way you
want to go out.

Speaker 15 (34:22):
I beg you to be a man and.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
Step up to the plate and tell I'm asking you.
Just tell us me you're involved. You say you didn't
shoot to anybody.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
I didn't shoot anybody. Tell us what. I couldn't even
tell you where to get a guy here other than
my mother in laws. Well I heard that. I heard that.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
Okay, you know that.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
I heard that.

Speaker 15 (34:53):
I want to know what you're involved is.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
I don't want to hear this out of you know,
Just tell us what you what your party, this was,
what you what's your part.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
In the You know what you know and what you did.

Speaker 5 (35:07):
After some time, Colder and family broke down and began
cooperating with the investigators. He once again brought up Mexicans
during his account, but detectives grew frustrated, believing he was
holding back details and showing selective memory.

Speaker 10 (35:23):
No, really didn't. That's why you should tell us the
damn truth.

Speaker 15 (35:26):
See, I say remorse, I say remorse.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Brother.

Speaker 10 (35:33):
If you sit down, you're telling me everything.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Man, you suppose set yourself prey. Come on, come on,
PEPSI you read tell me was supposed to be a robber.
The wasn't he supposed to be a robbery. Huh? But
they're supposed to.

Speaker 10 (35:57):
Tell me about it, man, tell me about it? Sat down,
you gonna tell me?

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Now? Shit, that was a doke. Alright, But do you
wanna talk to her or you don't know?

Speaker 10 (36:17):
I I think so, or you wanna talk.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Happened with a cause that's the last.

Speaker 14 (36:23):
A lot of people, a lot of this is how
to call prize, Well, all this coming on, golf priest.

Speaker 10 (36:32):
Tell me what's going on about golf priest?

Speaker 14 (36:36):
Let's see that's I'm just guessing it. But you know,
I was supposed we were supposed to go and literally
it was supposed to be any collections.

Speaker 15 (36:49):
Okay.

Speaker 14 (36:49):
I didn't know anything about it, rober. I didn't know
anything about murder until Friday. I didn't even know if
that had anything to.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Do with.

Speaker 14 (37:03):
Matter of fact, I didn't even know anything about the
vand ben it all ben Itt until.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
This morning. The right. I've been around that vand I
worked on that vand I am not.

Speaker 15 (37:22):
Why let me pause.

Speaker 13 (37:26):
You do that.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
You and Leonard drove back to Leonard's house in the
band had right after the homicide, right after the word
y'all returned to Leonard's house in that cart.

Speaker 15 (37:36):
That band. I got people putting you there in that
van that night, in that yard.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
On Palm Court, got his brother who who's brought her?
Leonard and Frank's playton constantly.

Speaker 15 (37:50):
They Leonard and Frank didn't drive that man back to
his damn house.

Speaker 19 (37:53):
I didn't say that he saw Frank's picture when I
picked it up.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
Now, No, Frank ain't where he's gonna told him.

Speaker 15 (38:00):
I hadn't even talked to Frank. I talked to Frank.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
That's why guy's freaking picture.

Speaker 10 (38:04):
But he didn't telling me that shit. You just saw
his getting picture.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
Hey, Hey, we've talked to a lot of people since
Thursday night, hundreds of people that that neighborhood I used
to I grew up in that neighborhood years ago.

Speaker 15 (38:22):
I did you know where Vegas Court is. I think
so that's over there in Brentwood Park.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
That was my running neighborhood when I was a kid.

Speaker 15 (38:31):
People that's appos. It used to be a pose knit
neighborhood though, and that.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
The people, the people that is running living there now
watch out for each other, but a lot more than what.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
We used to do.

Speaker 15 (38:43):
But there's people on the streets at all times of
the day and a night.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
On over there in that neighborhood.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
I'm tired of playing this game, this little mouse and
you know, cat and mouse.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Shit.

Speaker 15 (38:58):
My back hurt, my knees hurt, my head is hurting.
I got to go home and see my young.

Speaker 10 (39:06):
If you don't wanna talk to us, tell us now.
If you wanna talk to us, tell us now.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Yeah, I mean all right, say that, hold on?

Speaker 4 (39:21):
What's out?

Speaker 3 (39:27):
When you make a terrible mistake?

Speaker 14 (39:29):
Brou Patrick guns stated he's arranged.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
All of this.

Speaker 15 (39:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
So you're wanting to talk to him, listen, yes, okay,
tell me everything, because alright, I ain't going through this shit. Aga. Okay,
did we need to sit there? Just stand up there?
You canna stand from me, alright?

Speaker 10 (39:49):
Hadrick guns On sweat.

Speaker 14 (39:52):
He approached me where I'm supposed to be by Robert
was supposed to be him.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
Packing that money.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
Okay, okay, yeah, he clared you went where did he cleact?

Speaker 14 (40:03):
You?

Speaker 3 (40:03):
I mean, contact your act and the stands house to day.

Speaker 14 (40:13):
And I didn't know anything that was going on. It
was honestly supposed to be either picking up to make
a delivery or picking up money.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 14 (40:31):
For some ex constructors. Yeah, I don't know everybody that
was there.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
I really don't.

Speaker 5 (40:41):
After spending a night in jail, Cold Run changed his
approach and gave detectives a cleaner, more consistent account of
what happened.

Speaker 20 (40:50):
Let's start from the beginning, okay, because you missed the
part of it I don't. Let's not talk about actual crime.
Let's go back to the trailer because you're jumping on him. Man,
who somebody out there staking the place out? I know that, okay,
and you know that.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
I really don't know.

Speaker 20 (41:08):
Okay, they went out there, mas all right, they went
out there before okay.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
Right, and came back or stayed in the area. Okay,
the Palm Court thing, Let's go back to that.

Speaker 20 (41:22):
Okay, when you were at the trailer, at Palm Court
and all these people showed up go from there you
met you were jumping on me everybody you got in.

Speaker 21 (41:33):
No no, no, no, no no no no no no,
you're missing some things.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
Man.

Speaker 14 (41:51):
I remember being there and me and Lennon's job was
driving vand drop it off down the road from where
the place was so they can get in it and
get a collect money.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Where'd y'all park it that? When you drove it down there?
It's like a little pool. UF. I don't know if
it's no way station or.

Speaker 21 (42:24):
Uh, alright, do me that this is what this is,
how it's gonna have to happen, so you can remember
closure runs. Okay, we'll get you need pump ord.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Y'all are in the van right, Yes there he's driving, No, sir,
who's driving?

Speaker 14 (42:52):
I started out? Uh, then we changed up. I remember
what passed where the place was?

Speaker 3 (42:59):
Okay, okay, what do you do that for? To meet up?
So you could find out exactly what it was? Mkay?
How were y'all gonna talk we dropped the van off? No, no,
how were y'all gonna talk to each other? Telephone? You
mean the radio supposed to be in walkie talks that

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you had green and white and gray. I think the
telephones the cell phone. Yeah, so y you were driving
up there? You parked it on the side of the road, right, Yes,
I didn't have a phone or anything that's I took.

Speaker 21 (43:39):
Do you remember seeing something on the left, don't you
that you thought was a waystation?

Speaker 14 (43:45):
Right?

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Yes? Did you park the van on the right? And
then you love parked on the left? Okay, you parked
on the west.

Speaker 6 (43:55):
Now what you did?

Speaker 3 (43:56):
You got in the vehicle? What do the other guys
gun on? Whose car?

Speaker 15 (43:59):
Huh uh?

Speaker 3 (44:00):
The gold super colored issue? Alright? The two was driving out.
I'm thinking of this this fella that year, alright. I
who else was in the car? Man Winter? And two
of the black eyes alright, then went.

Speaker 14 (44:20):
On to.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Run up and a little pad who went? Who went?
Say against? Who went to? We and the T vehicle?
Everybody in the vehicle grow up the hood a good
bit and up with Pad.

Speaker 14 (44:40):
Some more vehicles. People changed around the vehicles went back.
They jumped in the red band. Three or four of
them did drive around the front.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Who's three or four? Who? Leonard?

Speaker 14 (45:05):
And I think three of the black guys one of
'em was roving up and down the street. Me and
Pat were suppushed to go across the fence, which that
didn't work out too big and UH time got around

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there too. They were in the house before we got there.
Who was in the house, the black guys they had
done it, went in, kicked the door in. I don't no,
I didn't honestly see if they kicked the door, turned
the door.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Knob lets, you know they weren't.

Speaker 14 (45:44):
Now you were in the back of the house, the
backside some you and Patrick, Yes, Patrick went on and
I seen a child.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
I stepped in. When I seen the child, I turned
around started using.

Speaker 6 (45:56):
Out the door.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Who did the one two three, I'd dare again, I
don't know, but it was yeah at one two three
thinking that. I mean, did.

Speaker 20 (46:09):
Anybody say before the one two three you're gonna die?

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Or was that after they kicked the door in?

Speaker 14 (46:16):
I don't remember hearing anything, but you're gonna die.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
So you went through the back door and saw the
chip right, And I.

Speaker 14 (46:24):
Went out there and met Wonard at the band. You
ran to the front, run to the side of the
UH driver's side of the van.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Did you go through the house to get there? You know,
sir run on the outside.

Speaker 14 (46:37):
I were right there by the door on. I don't
know if it knocked the very back door. You in
right here, mkay?

Speaker 3 (46:50):
And what happened after that? Fee miss there?

Speaker 14 (46:57):
Everybody's filing the van I and last the road and
the old sub stopped, picked everybody up with me and
learned there was nothing left in the main.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
I don't even know that they got anything where Petrick
go with them? Fellas? Where'd they go back to get?
I guess hissu B which is was part? Where?

Speaker 13 (47:30):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Somewhere up the road we're at a gas station. I
don't know if a gas station side road. I don't
think it was.

Speaker 6 (47:38):
A gas station.

Speaker 14 (47:39):
Pressure departured on the side of the road. But I
do know hearing that Pat off the two suspects who
told you that, I'm pretty sure Pat did pretty posit that.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Pat said he killed both them. Yes, sir, I'm pretty
sure he said in those.

Speaker 21 (48:07):
Words, did you sing him with a gun at that
when he was having a conversations?

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Ah, singing with the gun? Yes.

Speaker 5 (48:15):
But Calderon's version conflicted with that of Frederick Thornton, who
turned himself in on July thirteenth. Thornton was one of
the four black accomplices that neither Calderon nor Leonard Gonzalez
could initially name. The others were Gary Sumner, Donnie Stalworth,
and sixteen year old rakeem Florence. All of them were
tied to Patrick Gonzalez through a small custom body shop

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in Fort Walton Beach called Fifth Dimensions. The shop was
run by Gary Sumner, who acted as the middleman. He
helped Gonzalez recruit the others by pitching the job as
a high stakes robbery with a huge payout. Sumner introduced Thornton, Florence,
and Stalworth to the group, hosted late night planning meetups
at the shop, and provided a space where Gonzales handed

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out weapons and explained the plan. The younger recruits, Florence
and Thornton were told they could expect millions and that
the target was a drug dealer possibly connected to the
Mexican mafia. Thornton claimed that he, Florence, Stalworth, Colderon, Leonard
and Patrick all rode together in a red van while
Sumner followed behind in the Gold Explorer. He insisted he

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never left the van during the attack. His account clashed
with Colderuns, and both men tried to minimalize their roles
in the double homicide inside the Billings home.

Speaker 22 (49:30):
Yeah you hear of your own free will Leander Rash.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
You know you have.

Speaker 14 (49:35):
Lawyer president, you contacted us right, okay, and you don't
hung lawyers.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Correct, that's what happened. Okay. One day, who's that uh racan?

Speaker 7 (49:53):
Okay said outside a small.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
M so uh, Gary poled, though, who's scary a friend
of us? You didn't have last night?

Speaker 23 (50:07):
No okay? And they asked us a thin we wanna go?
S We rode well, so were his rocks. So we
had a rode out there the Princi cole cray, I'm
I'm talking talking.

Speaker 7 (50:28):
We had rode out of the Princi Colet and were
some niggo we're just smoking whatever.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
So well they was talking about the nigga to get
some more weed from some now so uh we had
a drug.

Speaker 7 (50:39):
We had gotten a red van that's what they always spelt,
getting weeds in the red down.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
So we had gotten red down. Who's the red pan
gong to? From my understanding, his name was Spring, that's
what we call Himkay. That was this guy. So we
got in now and we all went over there.

Speaker 7 (51:00):
Uh we had to go to down now, raccin we
was in uh not the first room when you get
in the band of the second room that was in there,
and two was in the front and two it was
in the die.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
So who's in the vand what he? Only people that I.

Speaker 7 (51:17):
Love there was in the vand with me was me
Raccuum Stalls?

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Whose dolls? These my friends? Well just my friend know
through Geary. You don't know his name?

Speaker 15 (51:29):
Largest Stalls?

Speaker 10 (51:31):
Okay, what have you say that Stalls Stalls?

Speaker 3 (51:33):
Yeah, it's your black guy, white guy black? Okay?

Speaker 10 (51:38):
Was Gary red.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Now he was in another bar okodnt car where they like,
uh ten, what time Tanawa? Did you go Tannish work?
And that's garysh car?

Speaker 23 (51:54):
Yeah, okay, who is the name?

Speaker 3 (52:00):
You just there? Trust Gary? And in the van that
you strain and dish Racquin and stars okay stors r
can right now? Okay? Who else was in the man
new rocketing stars? And I don't know the other people

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are just latter that day? Who can you travel? One
was white tall? Uh taller last year? How long here?

Speaker 7 (52:30):
And then there was another white one with a low
cup fad did by my heart?

Speaker 3 (52:36):
And then the other two that though I don't even
remember how they live before a woman. No, the only
people that lived in for a woman with the one
out that was me Rakking and Gary. You got Gary
last name? No, I don't know the last name. So
how how many told were in the band? Oh, it's

(53:00):
six six to sixth person they got stalls or a
king and the other two I tells about now.

Speaker 14 (53:08):
The white man went long hair, a white man was
a little cut fade, and you who's the other person?

Speaker 3 (53:14):
I don't know, I I'm I just don't okay. So
there's an it's a white man or a black man. White? Okay.

Speaker 22 (53:19):
So there's three white males you know in three black
mouse yeah okay, and Gary's in the other g other
gun and the explorer.

Speaker 7 (53:30):
So, uh, they got out and there a king stayed
in there. Go get out river flows like this, So yeah,
I stayed in now.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
And they went in there where they get out at? Like,
what do you mean you said they got out? Yeah,
they got out a bean at the house they brought
up at the house. What the house the deer's house.

Speaker 7 (53:47):
I don't know the name the people that they kill, Okay,
I just prom Then I got out and they went
in the house or whatever. So I guess they said
that one buy some weed. So now I can't stand
in the trump and then you know it's light.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
I saw that. I came out there, came back out,
and I don't think his name Pat Patrick, Patrick so
de other white deal. Well either way, now, yeah, I
came over with the gun and was like I killed him.

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It was like I killed him his wife and I
did not why age, just like I killed him.

Speaker 7 (54:31):
And there was like, if we tell anybody else, I
don't really wanna say nothing. I've never gotta say something
before something happen to me. But he said if we
say something, they're gonna kill us and will move down
the Mole family.

Speaker 5 (54:45):
By this point, detectives had a clearer picture of who
took part in the job in the July ninth, two
thousand nine robbery that became a double homicide in the
building's home, but one major piece was still missing. A
real estate agent named Pam Long. She was Patrick Gonzalez's landlord,
his employer, and a quiet supporter. In the days leading

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up to the crime, Pam allowed Patrick and his crew
to use an antique shop she owned for planning sessions.
She even followed them during a daytime drive past the
Billing's residence as they scouted the property. Witnesses later said
Pam often relied on Patrick when she needed someone to
apply pressure, using him for evictions or situations that required intimidation.

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She was also believed to have supplied the firearms used
in the robbery. Looking back at Wayne Colderan's first interrogation,
it's clear how he gradually began pointing to Pam's husband,
Hugh Wiggins, but even then he repeated that the entire
plan had originated with Patrick Gonzalez.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
That's all Patrick Gonzalez. He come up with the idea.
And I don't know if I was in it. Okay,
I do know. I don't know who all I had gone,
Commander Fruits. Did you see guns when I was in
Golf Breeze. When you're in Golf Breeze, who did you

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see with guns? Who went in the house? Whose house?

Speaker 14 (56:10):
I don't know the lady's name, I really don't. I mean,
I'm being honest, but I know where it's at.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Okay, So you went to a house at Golf Breeze
and you saw guns? What guns? Fully automatic rifles?

Speaker 10 (56:26):
And you know how to get to discessles.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Pretty sure.

Speaker 10 (56:33):
Let me ask you something, what the hell are you
all scared about?

Speaker 12 (56:35):
If it's just a couple of black guys and Patrick,
there are you scared of Patrick?

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Okay?

Speaker 12 (56:42):
So you're scared of Patrick because he showed you these
guns at golf breeze at some woman's house.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Was he friends with her? Did he portray them as
his guns? Nah? Just to access? And I don't know.

Speaker 14 (57:02):
I mean, I really thought it was all be us,
you know, because all I hear is this mafia this,
this mafia that or this or that.

Speaker 24 (57:11):
And I'm like, okay, well, do you have some Mexican
mafia people with him? Have you ever seen Mexican mafia people?
It sounds like you got Patrick, his dad and some
black guys hanging out.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Me and Letter were hanging out for just sitting there talking,
just me and Lernt. Okay, you're talking at the day
of or you talking to General basically every day with
that day in the morning and so in the afternoon.

Speaker 19 (57:44):
So that day y'all are talking. What are y'all talking about?
Anythink that's gonna interest me? Probably not, because it was
trying to get work. Okay, So have the subject of this.
I mean, he gave you this hypothetic call a few
weeks before and.

Speaker 10 (58:01):
You turn it down.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
What made you it come up again? Oh?

Speaker 10 (58:06):
He just show up all the little Hey, let's go
do some business.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
I mean, what what happened? What was the catalyst? Mh?
They shut up? In fact, I think you call him
talk to Okay? What was said? What did you hear

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on your end of it? I'll be right here, I'll
be here when you get here, okay. And Leonard gets
off the phone.

Speaker 10 (58:38):
He was to say, hey, my son's coming over.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
Yeah, okay, So that means and then I was off.
I was asked if I could, if I would ride
by who? Okay? So you wait? Patrick comes over there
and Leonard's been talking. Okay.

Speaker 12 (58:57):
So Patrick comes over to you and he said, you
mind going ride in the office. She's this job for
a couple hundred bucks when you get paid.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
In a couple of days, a couple or three days,
especially when.

Speaker 12 (59:07):
After things cleared, everything's cleared, And you took that to
mean what cleared?

Speaker 3 (59:14):
And then they had people that hadn't capped mind or
away dog or whatever.

Speaker 10 (59:20):
Okay, and oh he got these three or poor black
males also there and why does he need you?

Speaker 3 (59:29):
I don't know, okay, I mean I don't, And he
doesn't show you a weapon. You don't see him with
a weapon. You don't see any of them with weapons.
And they're all wearing casual clothes. It sounds like they
can go out. Huh. Okay, I don't get this story.

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So this is what you were scared to tell me.
I don't know lady's name, what the gods are, but
pl that is what they call her. Pls what they
called her.

Speaker 10 (01:00:08):
Some lady golf freeze, ask dam something, haam something.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
That's only right. I don't think that's where the house
is where I sent gods think, cause I can. The
street turns in and goes something like this, and it's
right here, everybody red.

Speaker 14 (01:00:28):
I can't take the exact address, the street name, but
I do know it shows red seventy something sixty nine
sixty eight seventies.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Be at GTX A GTS. Well this ss U.

Speaker 10 (01:00:49):
GTS.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
I think so it was all hard gs gs and
uh maroon shiving minivan on the new ones. I don't know.
I don't know. I got I'm excited to know what

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to pushing the button. I think it's all. I got
it on one side. I think she's got a bunch
of houses. When I was on soundview once, what I think.

Speaker 14 (01:01:29):
It sound you or something like that, she's supposed to
own a bunch of houses with real estate?

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Would have you this? That and the other? I don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:01:46):
What kind of guns did you say that?

Speaker 14 (01:01:50):
Revolvers, handguns, pistols, shotguns, rifles.

Speaker 5 (01:01:55):
Both the red minivan and the buick used in the
crime were owned by Pamlong after the robbery, the group
split up and switched into the red mini van to
get away. That same van had already been caught on
security cameras days earlier in a Walmart parking lot, where
everyone involved except Leonard Gonzalez, was recorded buying boots. Those

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boots were later matched to the imprint left on the
door when it was kicked in during the break in
on July thirteenth, The same day, Wayne Calderon brought up
Pam's name, Leonard Gonzalez also mentioned her this house.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Over in goth Breeze.

Speaker 17 (01:02:30):
Pam.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Yes, okay, you've been to that house before? Yes, I have?
Have you? Have you been there? Who you there at
that house.

Speaker 13 (01:02:39):
With my son Patrick?

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Just you and Patrick? Yes, was Wayne William.

Speaker 25 (01:02:49):
I don't know if Wayne ever went there or not.
He might possibly have went there one time with us.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Okay, do you you recall this? The can you identify
I described house?

Speaker 14 (01:03:00):
Is?

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Is it? Is it a house with the stilts?

Speaker 25 (01:03:02):
Uh?

Speaker 14 (01:03:02):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
The f the fall on the steps is off the ground.

Speaker 13 (01:03:07):
The back is up on stelts.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
Okay.

Speaker 13 (01:03:11):
The front has about uh forty foot front.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Porch sta a stamp. You gotta clock off some steps
on it?

Speaker 13 (01:03:19):
Uh about this high?

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Okay? You know what color it is? No? I do not?
What was your reason? What was the reason?

Speaker 14 (01:03:29):
Y'all?

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Right? There? That day.

Speaker 25 (01:03:31):
I was out there to give her a price on
doing some work on one of her houses.

Speaker 13 (01:03:38):
And she has a wooden deck on the rear back
side of her pool.

Speaker 25 (01:03:43):
And I quoted to her a price uh two hundred
and fifty dollars to pressure wise to pressure wise crist
excuse me to pressure wash the flaking paint stain.

Speaker 13 (01:03:55):
Off of it, and then with her buying the stain
to restain it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
Okay.

Speaker 25 (01:04:01):
Also she had asked me to bid another house that
she owns. I could think to it, but I couldn't
tell you where it is.

Speaker 13 (01:04:11):
It's right near the.

Speaker 25 (01:04:13):
Last street before you'd go over Bob's site and stick
it right and it's back in there. She wanted me
to wash that house for three hundred dollars, and I
told her there was no way in hell I was
going forty feet house for three hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Mkay, what's bound what's bound out?

Speaker 8 (01:04:30):
Blonde hair?

Speaker 13 (01:04:33):
And we'd say dirty blonde hair.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Okay, this this house and gun bridges. Pam's house. Is
that where the guns are kept?

Speaker 13 (01:04:47):
I don't know where the guns are kept. Pam has
numerous houses?

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
What what what does she do for a living?

Speaker 13 (01:04:56):
Think she owns Pam Long Realty?

Speaker 14 (01:04:59):
She the.

Speaker 25 (01:05:02):
Buzz houses, features them up, turns them over and a
profit releases them out.

Speaker 13 (01:05:08):
Whichever. I think she has a construction company.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
Is this a Pam that owns that? Like that flea
market down the road on ninety eight.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
Or Trade Trade Trade Center and Keith mo Antis that's
the same family.

Speaker 5 (01:05:31):
By July fifteenth, police located Pam Long on her boat
at the wharf of Marina in Orange Beach, Alabama. It
was never confirmed if she and her partner were attempting
to flee, but Pam later stated the boat's engine had
failed and that police arrived shortly after she received a
phone call from a friend. Both Pam and her boyfriend,
Hugh Wickins were taken in for questioning.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Okay, you can have a couple of mons. Okay 's
is that? Okay? Pam?

Speaker 14 (01:06:07):
I appreciate the opportunity to meet with you, UH, as
I indicated to.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Uh Charlie.

Speaker 14 (01:06:16):
Just briefly outside in order to protect Charlie and me
and you were recording the conversation, and I wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
To talk with you directly. Charlie talk with.

Speaker 14 (01:06:30):
Me and indicated that you might ha and this is
is un haven't given you mirandomized?

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
This is not admissible in court. It's not that kind
of discussion.

Speaker 14 (01:06:43):
Indicating too that you might be able to be helpful, UH,
regarding this murder case that we've been working on.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
For the last uh four or five days.

Speaker 14 (01:06:54):
And I explained to him that I felt that this
was your best opportunity to be helpful and that I
would like an opportunity to speak with you directly and
explain that to you. Charlie agreed. I know he's talked
with you, and obviously you've agreed to listen to what

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I have to say and talk to you a little
bit about in general terms about some information we have.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
We have.

Speaker 14 (01:07:34):
Quite a bit of information that we've gathered just in
the last four or five days. There is information coming.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
In to us today this morning at lunch, and it's
clear to me.

Speaker 14 (01:07:56):
That we are probably going to charge you with accessory
after the fact, if not other charges.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
Now, in terms of the evidence we have, we know
that your van had the safe put in after the.

Speaker 14 (01:08:25):
Home invasion occurred. We know that, based on what the
witnesses have told us, you were in the van, and
it's important.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
To us that we get the safe.

Speaker 14 (01:08:45):
We don't have the safe. There's other evidence that may
implicate you as well. I'm not sure the extent of
which the evidence in your house implication. You probably know

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more about that than we do, but we do know
that the problem you have, the main problem you have,
is that that safe was in your band and and
we want that safe.

Speaker 15 (01:09:21):
Now.

Speaker 14 (01:09:22):
I'm in a position where your lawyer's told me that
you can't, that you don't feel comfortable talking today, that
he doesn't feel.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
Comfortable recommending that you talk.

Speaker 14 (01:09:35):
My purpose in meeting with you is to convince you
that it is in your best interest to talk today,
we are eventually, in my opinion, going to make a
a case. And at that point time it's unlikely Charlie

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and I have discussed it, and I'm not going to
absolutely positively rule out anything, but I'm not going to
be in any mood then to.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
To talk to you at all.

Speaker 18 (01:10:31):
Well heard a straight from the horse's mouth. And then
how much you say anything. Let me and her further
discuss this and and let me give her my best
advice and and we'll proceed.

Speaker 5 (01:10:47):
Pem Long eventually cooperated with investigators, admitting her role and
revealing the location of the saint, which had been buried
under bricks in her backyard, But the case took one
last turn. Her supposed boyfriend, Hugh, was actually her husband
and their marriage was illegal. Hugh Wiggins was still legally
married to another woman, Connie Weiss. When she learned about

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the case, she contacted police and disclosed that her divorce
from Hugh had never been finalized, despite their separation more
than ten years earlier. She also described Hugh's obsession with
firearms and how he had recently asked their adult son
to buy a van. Their son also recalled overhearing a
conversation at Hugh's house between Hugh and Patrick Gonzales Junior

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about using zip ties to restrain people. Connie and Hugh
often talked about wanting to be a gangster, and had
once remarked, if you have to kill them, kill them.
Investigators treated her statements as credible. With Pam already in custody,
Hugh agreed to cooperate in exchange for limited immunity. He
revealed the locations of both the safe and the weapons.

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The nine millimeter handgun used to kill Melanie Billings was
found wrapped in paper and tape in the back seat
of his nineteen seven twenty one Bwick Grand Sport, which
Pam had left at the repair shop. Hugh also admitted
he and Pam had traveled to Moss Point, Mississippi, where
they hid additional firearms with the friend. At Denson, investigators
recovered two Mossburg twelve gag shotguns, a Mac ninety assault rifle,

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a Ruger Mini fourteen, an ar style rifle, and ammunition.
Patrick Gonzalez Junior was convicted of two counts of first
degree murder and sentenced to death. His father, Leonard Gonzalez Senior,
who confessed to being the getaway driver was sentenced to
life without parole and later died in prison in twenty fifteen.
Wayne Calderon, Donnie Stalworth, and rakeem Florence also received life sentences.

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Frederick Thornton reduced his sentence by co operating, while Gary
Sumner was convicted on lesser charges tied to the robbery.
Pamela Wiggins Long accepted a plea deal and was convicted
of accessory after the fact to first degree murder. She
was sentenced to twenty eight years, but died in custody
in twenty fifteen. Her husband, Hugh Wiggins, avoided prison through immunity,

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despite hiding the safe and weapons, transporting them across state lines,
and concealing the murder weapon in his car. No evidence
ever linked the case to the Mexican Mafia. During trial,
prosecutors played the Billing's own surveillance footage. Rareking, Florence, and
Frederick Thornton identified themselves on camera, narrating their actions and
pointing out others involved. Prosecutor John Malkin described it as

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almost a color commentary from the men who were inside
the house On July ninth, two thousand nine, Bird and
Melanie Billings were murdered in their house, while several of
their children witnessed the terror. The attackers left with the
wrong safe, missing the fortune they expected, and within days
their scheme unraveled under betrayal and confession. In the end,

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nearly every accomplice tried to shift the blame, but nothing
could undo the cruelty or bring back Bird and Melanie
Billings