September 9, 2024 • 47 mins
Actor and musician Sam Palladio sits down with Emily to discuss a Metallica t-shirt deciding his fate, what it's like being BFFs with Charles Esten, and his time on the hit series 'Nashville.' Emily gets Sam to re-route his UK tour to the US for her personal benefit, Sam contemplates a career switch to marine-themed children's music, and neither Emily nor Sam can remember where his character from Netflix's 'The Princess Switch' is from, no matter how hard they try. So pre-save Sam's album, forget what fictional country you live in, and don't honk at me, I'm already crying as you listen to Episode 14 of 'How To Make It With Emily & Haley.'
Sam's debut album, 'The Perfect Summer's Day, Before We Lost The Light' releases September 13.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Emily and I'm Hayley. After meeting online, we
became international best friends who bonded over how hard it
is to find success in the entertainment industry. Join us
and our celebrity co authors as they help us write
the book on how to make it and, more importantly,
(00:20):
uncover what making it even means. You know, saying we
met online sounds a lot sexier than it actually is. Emily,
you don't think it's clear we met on a networking site? No,
I think it sounds very much like I swiped right
on you, my friend. Would you like to meet a
British person online site? We're going to have to do
this again now, aren't we. Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Hi, my name's Sam Palladio and I wanted to be
a marine biologist when I grew up.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yes, okay, tell me tell me all about it. How
did it start? Did the dream die?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Did it die because I wasn't clever enough actually, so
that's a sad start. But no. So I grew up
on the southwest coast of England, down in Cornwall, which
is beautiful coastal. I was a minute from the beach,
grew up surfing and swimming and you know it's cold water,
but it's it's a beautiful kind of beachside. Childhood, so
I guess I was just obsessed with tide pools and
(01:29):
collecting sea creatures. And I had like aquariums outside like
my front door and like in my room, and my
dad would take me down to the down to the
beach every few days and we'd fill up buckets of
water and so so I love that kind of stuff.
And then also the other side of my family on
my mom's side, are all marine biologists, so like my uncle,
(01:50):
my aunt, my cousins, you know, were so in that world.
And it also kind of came from my grandpa Alan,
who's about to be one hundred and two, and he
was scuba diving his whole life. He retired at like
fifty five, so he's been retired for a long time.
(02:12):
But after his retirement he ended up you know, he
had an old diving buddy and they were diving up
until they were about eighty years old and studying marine
ecology and sea life. And so I just loved that
as a kid. Actually behind me, I've got like an
octopus posters. I just realized very on brand. So all
the way up until about like seventeen eighteen. I was
like two, like I was at college. But at that
(02:37):
same time, I've been playing bands and doing theater and
really enjoying that, but still like, no, no, I want
to you know, I want to be like an oceanographer
or something when I grew up. So it wasn't until
I got to like, yeah, sixteen seventeen at what we
call college in the UK, so that's sixteen to eighteen.
Then you got a university, so it's like pre university.
But I was taking like science and chemistry and also
(02:59):
like photography and French. I think with my subjects, so
like no kind of like music or theater or And
then I spent about two months like sitting in chemistry
labs trying to understand how on earth to do these
equations and looking around the room and I was in
like a Metallica T shirt and everyone else is in
like science equipment gear. I'm like, oh, maybe this isn't
(03:21):
my Maybe I'm not supposed to do this, So I
dropped everything. I took theater and music. Wow, okay, I'm out.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Just because of the health that you picked it that morning?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, right, just because of the T shirt. No, because
at that point I'd been really I've been writing a
lot of music, I've been in garage bands, I've been
really enjoying like school theater club and after school theater,
and I was in like a dance group, and so
this sort of like performing arts stuff was clearly taking
over and was clearly what I was feeling is more
(03:54):
my world, but still trying to like honor the no
science thing, and that didn't.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I feel like that's the age where you realize what
the job actually is, right like, and and people who
want to like almost would criss cross like people who
thought they wanted to be a performer and then realize
what goes into that would.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
True and they back out of that, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, and then you're like, oh shit, this I have
to like doing all this?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, just looking at like I'm dyslexic as well, so
looking at like tables and and I enjoyed like the
periodic table and stuff, but it was just the mass that, yeah,
it involved, it was the mass and stuff involved. I
was like, I can't do it. I just want to
like being I just want to go Snorkeling was basically
like my realization I want to do that a fan,
(04:48):
So yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
More of a vacation marine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was
a story. I feel like that was a journey we
just went on. So we then go to two random
(05:10):
facts found out about you from the internet. Oh, respond,
so far we haven't framed anyone for any crimes or anything.
That's good.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
That's good. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
The first one is that you have an Instagram for
your dog. Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I do? I do.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
He's very cute. Is he is he Instagram? Like? Does
he have fans that are just his fans and not
your fans?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I would like to think so I'm a bad Instagram
dog dad, because it's one of those you know, you
set it up when you first get a dog, and
he's actually like, he's not He's not in Doug the
Pug territory of course, even though Doug the Pug is
one of his friends. I have to add so because
Doug the Pugs dad, Yeah, Dougs down the road. So
(05:59):
you know, River's been to dog's birthday and vice versa.
But he's a sweet boy. He's a whippet, so he's
you know, he's sort of the in between Italian Greyhound
and a greyhound. He's my little boy. You know, that's
another one of those.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Things where you don't realize how much work would go
into actually having an Instagram for your dog. You start yeah,
and then you're.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Like, yeah, I did a few posts in twenty eighteen
or something, and then every year I'm like, oh, I
have a you know, I occasionally tag him into something
and then he gets a load of a load of love.
Oh I've got a Yeah. Trying to balance an acting
career and music career in a dog Instagram account is,
you know, coming up with coming up with dog content.
It's probably much easier than trying to come up with like,
(06:42):
here's this new single that I'm trying to promote content.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Very okay, Yeah, that's okay, to stick with the dog.
Save that thought, because that goes into one of my questions.
But I have to get to your second random fact,
which is that you seem to have a lovely friendship
with Charles m Yeah. I guessing this started in the
Nashville days, and so what is it about that you
(07:11):
guys that that makes that friendship so strong?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Well, you know, the Nashville TV show was such a
unique experience for us all on the show because I
think we all came to We all came to the
job as musicians as well. We all act, but we
all played instruments. We all sat, well, we're all aspiring,
you know, rock stars. And then they you know, that
(07:36):
show went for six years. So we all moved to Nashville.
I moved from England. I'd never been to America before. Wow,
I booked at a gig. I booked the gig off
of self tape from London. You know, so then suddenly
I might dropped into Nashville, Chips dropped into Nashville. Claire
Bow and you know, Chris Carmack, We're all just like,
this place is incredible. So because it wasn't one of
(07:58):
those jobs that just we did a couple of work
and then we all disappeared somewhere else. We were here
within twenty two episodes a season, so we were here
for ten months of the year for like basically five
six years. So we just got really close. And you know,
we're all pursuing a lot of us are pursuing music outs,
you know, our own original music. I've got my first
(08:19):
record coming out September thirteenth. You know, it's been ten
years in the making, but you know, so hell, hell
we will, we will. I've been doing that a lot,
but you know, we all just support each other. And
so Chip still lives here and I still live here,
and that's a testament to how cool the city is
and how welcomed we felt, so that any opportunity like
(08:42):
he's playing, he's doing a single release, or he's doing
I mean I was even in London like two months
ago and he was playing the London Palladium, which is
an incredible venue, and I was like, dude, I'm going
to be in town. He's like, You've got to come
up and sing one, okay, And then I get the
glory of walking out a guest and we do that
all the time, which is great. He's a hustler. I
(09:03):
love him so much. He's super talented. He's hilariously funny.
He can play damn good bad guy on outer Banks,
and he can write a good country tune. And he's
always been really supportive of me, and he's just a
lovely guy. So yeah, special, it was a special TV show.
You know, you get some of these jobs that just
you do for a few months, and that was fun.
But this has become that show changed my life and
(09:25):
has been a huge chapter. I had all my twenties
here and you know, into my thirties, and so I'm
still here. I'm still sitting in Nashville right now.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
And you do you travel back and forth a lot?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yep, I guess a lot of that is well, one
seeing family, but two Yeah, I'm putting this record out,
which for me, I wrote so much of it in
the UK. Yeah, it's a record which is a combination
of my ten years here in Nashville but also wanting
to get back to my roots in the UK, and
so it was all written out of there. We've got
(09:56):
a big push to start the sort of promo over there,
and I'm doing a UK tour in September to the border,
a headline tour, and so I've been back and forth
a lot in the last few months. And then of
course I've got a load of mates getting married this summer,
so I was there like a week ago and I
leave on Monday to go back for another, like my
best Majeor Gina's wedding in my hometown. So it's been
(10:17):
a fun summer and a lot of traveling. Thankfully, there's
a direct flight from Nashville these days.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, that's very true. Yeah. I noticed there were no
US dates for the tour, so I was like, well,
I've I did my part. I would do more, but.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Well, we're certainly like we're starting there, a little push there,
and then the US dates are are en route, shall
we say?
Speaker 1 (10:37):
So?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Okay, whenever, you know, whenever they're out. You know, I
know a guy that might be able to sort your tickets.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Okay, thank you. I just actually went randomly to the
New Kids on the Block concert last week, Wolberg's guest,
because he was wow podcast there you go wild. Yeah, yeah,
we can make it happen. The reason I start to
this show was to get free concert tickets. Let's be honest.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
That's why I started acting, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, yeah, So do you have a tough time? I
was living in California for ten years when I moved
back recently from Los Angeles to the East Coast, and
I'm wondering, like, that's within my own country, but I'm
wondering if you have to like shift because I find
the world is so different on this side of the
(11:27):
country versus the West Coast, and I'm wondering, like, is
there a mode that you go into when you are
in Nashville versus England, or do you find that it's
pretty Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
When I get to the UK, it's usually it'd be
for work, or it'd be for some promo, or it'd
be for like like a few days or a week,
and I'm trying to see as many friends as i
can and also try not to ignore some friends that
you don't want to see that you know you might
run into. It's always seems to be kind of go
go go for a second when I get there. But
then I'm also, like I talked about earlier, I'm from
(11:59):
the southwest of England, which is like a six hour
train from London. So it's basically the same as flying
from New York to London. So I've got to do
the first journey to get to London and then this
sort of pilgrimage down to the last town in England.
So that's always a gear shift because that's a bit
of a reset. And I get home and I'm on
the coast and I miss I'm very landlocked here so
(12:22):
in Tennessee, so I missed, I missed the ocean, I
missed some space. So there's there's the shoulders drop a
little bit, I think when I get home, and then
I've just got to switch my leg driving onto the
side of the road, brain in gear. Oh pretty much,
which is weirdly happens instantly and I don't think about it.
But occasionally I'm in a parking lot or a car park,
as I'd say, that's the only time it screws me over,
(12:45):
and I'm just pulling out of a spot, and then
I just going on to a pilot and I don't
know where I'm going to the main roads. Thankfully, I
think I'm all right.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I don't think I'll ever be able to I've only
been to England once, it was last summer, and I
don't think I will ever not be in an uber
you want.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Safety, Well, my first, like my first experience of driving
in the States was i'd shot the Nashville show. I
flew to LA for the first time for pilot season
or something, you know, for just for like killing time
while we waited to see if the show got picked up.
And so right, well, I guess I need to drive
around LA. So I hired a car and just kind
of got in. I was like, what do I do?
(13:21):
And I ended up I was like, I know I
do I'll just follow the guy in front of me.
So I end up my first intersection where, of course,
in the UK you don't do the thing where you know,
if you want to turn left across oncoming traffic in
the States, you sort of pull out into the middle
and just like try and squeeze past. So I thought, well,
I'll just follow what the guy in front of me does.
Of course I end up at the front my first
(13:42):
intersection ever, with so much traffic coming towards going how
the hell do I get across? How do I do it?
And it wasn't until this like Porsche behind me just
like slammed his horn, whipped around me and cut across that.
I was like, oh, that's how you do it. So
then I just followed him.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
You need to get a flag just be like oh yeah, sorry, though,
like a student driver. Do you guys have student driver
bumper stickers? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, the l plates and stuffy and.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, just do that.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I saw a bumper stick yesterday and it said don't
honk at me. I'm already crying, and I was like,
I need them.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
That's most people that should just be like sprayed onto
every car like as a as a government advisory.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yes, exactly. So earlier you mentioned when we're talking about
your dog's Instagram page, the of kind of like the
world where maybe you didn't but this is where my
brain went. Is kind of like this world we're now
(14:48):
in where you can very easily compare yourself to other
people with views and streams and likes and all that stuff. Followers.
I mean, I was working in TV and film before,
and that already seems so crowded, But music, to me
seems like a whole other beast. And I'm wondering how
kind of I imagine that you'd have to be reminding
(15:09):
yourself of, like why you got into it in the
first place, and the love. Yeah, do you find that
that's a struggle and how do you kind of balance that?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah? No, for sure it is. And I think it's
it's because I've had two sides of it. I've had
the thing where I'm on a show that I don't
need to physically be promoting every day. Hey, please watch
the next episode. In Nashville, there's thankfully a couple million
dollar budget and marketing over there. So now I'm on
the other side of it as an independent artist putting
out music for the first time, going oh, yes, got
(15:40):
to put the work in. Yeah, it's very easy to
get lost in trying to think up be a content creator,
which I'm not. I tried my best to be a
decent songwriter and like get that far and then it's like, cool,
I've got the record made, and I know I've got
to learn this other skill set, which is content creation.
And I think because I'm coming into into this game
(16:00):
a few years behind, maybe a twenty year old that's
like so tech savvy and TikTok savvy, and I just
didn't really kind of grow up in that world of
that's your everyday way of communicating. I'm not that old obviously,
but in terms of like making music with social media
sort of in mind, Yeah, there's a bit of that
(16:22):
these days. And I get it. It's that if you
want to get the hook out there, you want to
hit that chorus twenty five seconds in to keep attention
spans because they're so short, because we're so used to
the zero point three second of a flip. And I
kind of hate the fact that you can see all
the numbers and you can see the exact amount of
people who've watched it or viewed it or listened to
(16:42):
it for the exact amount of time, and you go, oh,
I've I've got ten thousand views on this and you
look and actually each view is no aer point, not
two of a second or something, and that you're like, well,
that doesn't really count. So I'd rather be like blissfully unaware.
But I also understand that it's it can be a
useful resource to know where you need to put some
(17:03):
investment or up your game or so, yeah, I find
it challenging because I put this debut record. I wrote
a lot of the songs a few years ago, and
then I made the record about two years ago, and
then it takes that long to find your team and
put the pieces together and then start shooting videos. And
so you end up putting so much creative energy and
love into this thing and then, like I say, and
(17:25):
then you face with shit, how do I get it
out here? Now? What are the algorithms that I need
to try and hit? Because that's a challenge. I found
that my Nashville fan base, they're super loyal and I
love it. And we get to go to the UK
and do these arena tours with myself and the cast
of Nashville. It's wild. But then that doesn't actually really
translate to like my own stuff coming out. I know
(17:45):
it is a little different. I'm more in the alternative
world as opposed to I'm not putting out a country record.
But yeah, there's algorithms that think that, oh, this isn't
this isn't Sam Palladio. Yeah, because also I did all
these Christmas songs for these Netflix films. I did, so
my Spotify is like random soundtracks that I've been on
and like Christmas music, and then I'm putting out like
indie rock band britpop and it's like, don't understand that.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
The amount of times I told myself today I can't
just talk about the Princess switch is it's been difficult.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Hey, I'm all here, you got me, you got me,
So if you want to chat about it, I'm all down.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I just the season. The season is coming. So it's
the gift that keeps giving.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Well, it was great because I had a reason to
watch a Christmas movie.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Now I'm sorry, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I loved it, are you No? I'm already got my
Halloween stuff, like ready to go so I'm fair enough.
It was a treat. It was a treat for me.
But but yeah, I find it's it's difficult, especially with
this kind of stuff. Is we'll compile a video of
some guests saying this really powerful motivational thing, but then
(18:56):
all cut a clip of me being an idiot and
saying something, and then and I just being stupid and
that one. I'm like, we yeah, can I direct you
to like it?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
By the way, it's also yeah, so it's weird, isn't it?
The same thing just shot a bunch of music videos,
put a lot of money and time into and fantastic,
and then a little stupid promo that you just did
on an iPhone to try and get people to watch
the video pops off and you're like, no, no, no, no,
but what about the video?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, it's it's so hard because then I get like
these incredible opportunities from having an Instagram, and I'm just like, ough,
you can't not It's I hate it. I think it'll
be interesting in ten years or twenty years how people
decide what they like when this stuff is less spoon
fed to them.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, I think the people with fan bases who actually
enjoy the person or the music or whatever the project
is will prevail over. Like, there's a couple of artists
that I love, have loved for like almost ten years
who recently blew up, and I like don't want to
go to the concert right now because I don't want
to have to be there with all the people who
(20:06):
found them on top.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Interesting, I'm like I preferred it when it wasn't this,
and not in like a annoying like oh I have
to be original way, but just like they're going to
I know what they're going to play, and I know
they're going to play it because it's it's on social
media right now, and I anyway.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Well that's it. And I think like record labels and
management companies and stuff, see it's it's a business at
the end of the day, it's the music business. So
they see that, hey, this trend is working on this,
you know, you should make music that caters to this audience.
But actually, yeah, that can just strip away the art
form really if if you're not careful. So you know,
(20:49):
for me, I tried to make this record in a
vacuum with a couple of producers that were dear friends
and at that point, didn't have a management, didn't have
a record deal, didn't have anything. So this record came
out of like, okay, right, heart on the sleeve, what
do I feel like? Is me? And then yes, it
might not be the the biggest pop song in the
world or something, but it feels like representative of a
(21:10):
story I'm trying to tell about me. Because of course,
as I've been an active for most of my career,
it's playing a lot of roles and so here I'm
trying to get back to the bones of it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, are there any songs about sea creatures or marine miles?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
There's a lot of I mean yeah, there's lyrics about
swimming with sharks. Literally. There's a song called boat that's
all about for my dad. Basically like the record to
get a little deeper, Actually, I lost my mum in
twenty eighteen, so the record's all dedicated to her, and
so it's very much a family affair and a sense
(21:47):
of there's the title track is a sort of dedication
to her, and then I've got on the other side
of things. The song for my Dad that's a sort
of uplifting, sort of almost like Blink one eighty two
Anthem things. Yeah, it's like dancing through the sadness of everything.
And that's what I wanted to do, is kind of
like lay it all out there, but then find ways
(22:09):
to find joy in those sad moments. Will put yourself
out of the dark times by celebrating life too. There's
definitely there's lots of ocean, oceanic references and beach and
summer Gone, like the Summer as a single I just
put out, which is all about being in California and
San Diego and being on the beach, and I shot
the I shot the video of my hometown on the beach, and.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
So yeah, hard hard pivot to like a children's musician
and just sing about marine wild, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
The octopus was coming down the stairs.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
But yeah, yeah, a whole album.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
The guy who wrote Baby Shark lives here and he
occasionally whips it out a songwriters round and it's like genius.
Oh my god, my nephew.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Is too, and he loves that song. So we go,
there's they don't have I just realized they don't have
hopefully they don't have social media, so.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Two, yeah, maybe it may be starting.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, Oh my god, yeah, my my niece, I was
looking at gifts for her for her first birthday and
you can buy like a little plastic iPhone toy that's
like a rattle and I that bummed me out. That
was a tough So next we move into a section
(23:40):
called the Story, where we give our guests an opportunity
to share a moment from your career journey. It could
be the start, it could be yesterday. That's a moment
of like what the heck am I doing? What? What
am I doing this all for? And the hope is
so that our listeners can can realize that the shit
(24:01):
they're doing to try and make it in their careers
is worth it.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I had a quick look just before we started, so
I was like, okay, I can talk about that. I
can talk about that. But there's a sort of a
job horror story that made me certainly question like what
am I doing? And like why does this industry treat
you so badly? So basically, I was in a West
(24:24):
End show in London and I'd done an audition for
this commercial, for a BlackBerry commercial, and blackberries was still
a thing your listeners to be like, what's a BlackBerry?
So this was fifteen years ago, as I think and
I got this gig and it was one of those
that like page you really well for like a day's work,
and it was like a year salary or something. Oh
my god, this is going to be amazing. But I
(24:45):
was in this play and I had to take the
night off sick and it was on a Saturday, so
I had two shows to pull a double sickie. So
I got it and the morning off just had to
call up and so sorry, I can't. I don't think
I can make it in and they're like, it's okay,
we'll send the doctor over. It's like no, I couldn't
possibly even open the door. Somehow got away with that.
(25:08):
They were like, oh right, well we'll put your understudy on.
And so the show I was in at that point
they were rehearsing a complete duplicate cast to go out
and do a UK tour. So there was like one
rehearsal room in the whole of London and one street
that I really didn't want to be on that day.
Of course, what happens is that I get the call
sheet for where like the holding set is before we
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go to set to shoot the commercial, and it's outside
the rehearsal room where my director, the whole creative team.
I know they're all in this room. So I am
absolutely bricking it. And so we pull up to the holding,
which is a double decker bus that they'd hired, which
is would be cool normally, but that meant that meant
it was tall enough and the top deck is where
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we were getting held that I could look into the
windows and see my boss in there and see like
the guy who was playing my role, and go, oh
my god. And I just had to tell the other
actors like, hey, I'm so sorry if I'm like absolutely
sweating right now, but you see that guy down there, Yeah,
he's my boss. I pulled the sicky, like I could
get fired from this play I'm in. So that was
that was the start of the day. And then what
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I'm getting to is we got to set, which was
in the Hoxton in London, really cool little area. I
turn up and the little storyline was like a guy
and a girl at a coffee shop, interacting, having a
little fight, making up, kissing make up kind of thing.
So simple little thing. And so there's one lead girl
and then I turned up and there's this other actor
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there also called Sam. Hilariously enough so I say, hey, man,
how you doing. I'm Sam. I'm playing the lead in
the video. And he's like, oh, well, I'm Sam and
I'm playing the lead in the video. What I think
there's a mistaken No, I'm playing the guy that comes
in and meets the girl in the coffee shop. And
I'm like, you know, I'm doing the huh. So then
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they call first Sam to set and start like shooting
this commercial, and so I'm sort of walking around the
set trying to like talk to producers and like hey,
what's trying to find out what the hell's going on.
So eventually, like in between setups, I get to the
producer and hey, And it turned out that because it
was BlackBerry, they had so much money that the director
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wanted to shoot this other guy because he'd been in
another part of the commercial, so he wanted to kind
of link the same character in this other story. And
they'd gone, Okay, we'll pay for that, you shoot your version,
but we want Sam Pladio, so we'll we'll shoot him
as well. So I had to turn up and eventually
found the director and the guy goes, look, I know
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you're an insecure actor, but this is what we're doing.
I want to shoot him. I want him for my video.
They they've made me hire you as well, but you're
insecure about it. I get it. But we're going with
this guy, so talk about And this is actually the
first thing I'd ever done on camera. I'd never booked
a TV show, I'd never done it was my first commercial.
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So then I've eventually got in and I shot it
myself often thankfully it turned out that I'd signed the
contract before, so they had to use me. But but
so I made I made the cut. But at the
same time, I was like, you know, what is happening
right now?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
What?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
There was so much money, so much like don't give
a fuck thrown around, and this director was such a
dick and to sort of feel like he had the
power just to look just completely blot shoot me down
and not have any empathy for what they were doing,
which was pretty messed up, honestly and kind of unheard
up to shoot something twice that I was just like,
(28:34):
what am I doing? And I could have lost my
job because I was in the theater things like this.
There was a lot on the line for me that day,
and the director just kind of threw me under the bus,
but it worked out eventually. I got away with it
and I never told you know anybody that, so hopefully
I don't get sued ten years later.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I don't know what the statute of limitations is.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, that's probably past.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, okay, but in John probably good Clarry, because who
has a BlackBerry anymore. They shouldn't have spent that money
on shooting.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
They'd still be they'd still be in production if they had.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
They hadn't our episode that's coming out Monday. The actor.
He also was talking about an audition and a director
who was super rude, like, it's just very bizarre to
me that, like you you make it to doing the
job and you're like angry and miserable in me and
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I don't quite understand. Moving on to our definition of
making it and this could be, this can be I learned.
I have to preface this. This can be in life
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or in your career or what. It doesn't have to be, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Well. I think the definition of making it for me
lies in the music world, and I think it lies
in sort of legacy and what you leave behind for
others and what connects people. Honestly, so I found that
music and storytelling is a powerful thing if you're able
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to create a piece of art that you put out
in the world that someone can relate to and relate
that to their life and share a story and make
them think about somebody they miss or they love, or
that's really important to me. I put this single out
last year, which was the first track off my record.
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The album's out not yet, but I talked about it
this September. Yeah, Yeah, and this song is called something
on my Mind and it's that's the song that I
wrote for my mum about losing her, and so I
put that out as the first thing ever last year.
And yeah, the amount of beautiful messages I got from people,
saying one in particular really got me. That was a
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girl who had lost her aunt, who she was incredibly
close to and hadn't been able to grieve or cry
about it for like six months. It had been she
just wasn't able to process anything, and she sent me
this message that was like, Hey, I just want to
say I've just listened to your song about losing your mum,
and I want to say thank you, because it's just
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I've just been able to cry for the first time
about my aunt and it's opened up a load of
stuff and thank you for sharing that. So I was like, man,
you know, that's what you do. That's what you do
it for, I think, And that's what so you know, Yeah,
it'd be great to have some gold plaques and stuff.
But if it means that there's a small group of
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people that can be touched by something that you've created
that you get to leave behind and for others to
find along the trail, then I think that's that's the
definition of making it for me, is just connecting to
other human beings and feeling a kinship and feeling like
we're in this shared experience together. And yeah, you can
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have an oscar, you can have whatever, you can have
a mansion with a Ferrari, but it's like that's cool stuff,
but that's just stuff. Yeah, if you can be a
Neil Young and leave behind a body of work that
in the future somebody might find.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I was going to ask, is there's someone that brings
that to mine for you?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah, somebody like Because my music taste was so eclectic.
I grew up playing rock bands and then I discovered
like seventies folk, and then I went to Nashville and
so I just kind of weave around through stuff. But
some like James Taylor, classic American folks singer, somebody like that.
His music got me through a really hard time when
my mum was very unwell, and mum loved his music,
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so it connected me to her and it connected me
to his beautiful storytelling and songs. So yeah, there's somebody
like that that I go. He's in his late seventies now,
but will always be a part of my sort of
like musical journey, your radar or I don't know, there'd
be a space in my my existence, my vibration for
like James Taylor's song.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
So yeah, I think that's that's very sweet. Good answer.
It's good, just like not listing or not saying what
you wanted to be currently are. It's like if you
had been like what ye're like, Hey.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I fucking made well look.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
At me now, that's our time. No.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
If you had to pick a chapter title that sums
up your career journey thus far, m what would it be?
Speaker 2 (33:47):
My chapter for this little section was I think should
be titled who Knew a Country Music Star could be?
Cornish's That was my like like bingo, card, I guess
you know, I'm surrounded by this music country music royalty
and grand old operies down the road and these hilarious
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things that I've experienced these these last ten years, and
from this little coastal fishing village in England.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
It's like, have there been any musicians, like big musicians
that come out of your area.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Dot dot There's there's there's like musicians that are sort
of from that, Like the most famous she's not a musician,
but Fandy Newton, the great actress, was from my hometown.
Grew up in my hometown randomly, but there's like there's
there's sporadic things like Roger Taylor from Queen, the drummer
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of Queen grew up down the road. And there's a
few musician musician things like that. I think actually meet
Meet Fleetwood from Pleetwood, Mac was another like cornish village connection.
So there's there's a few things like that, but there's
no I don't think there's real be big artists or
big band to come out of particularly my little tiny
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end of England. There's like twenty thousand people in my town.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Is the grand Old Opry, you know what it is here?
Like if you mentioned it there to a random person,
would they have really no idea?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yeah I had. I mean I was around music and
I was an actor in London in my mid twenties,
and I had never heard of Grand Old Oprey. I
didn't know anything about country music. I was into some
of the stuff. I was talking about the seventies folks stuff,
but I didn't know about modern country music. I didn't
know about the carry Underwoods and Brad Paisley's and all
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those kind of folks. That was completely oblivious and yeah,
grand od Oprey, No, what's that? And then you come
to learn of the history of some venues and that
shows me on the air for almost one hundred years
and depart the careers of well just popularized country music
world white because I think it was the I think
it literally had an antenna that could reach the furthest
(36:04):
It was one of those where like, oh, logistically obviously
that the genre connected with America, but it also helped
that this thing could get it out as far as
it possibly could, so like people could pick it up.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yeah, maybe others couldn't. So it's really interesting. But I
do love a bit of music history. For me, like
certain musicians feel like story about characters or superheroes, or
like fiction like Willie Nelson or something. It feels like
a fiction. Yeah, it feels like Davy Crockett or something
like that, or like, yeah, but they're here, and so
it's quite funny that the world me ends up at
(36:40):
the ground ot Ot Breed, which I've played probably forty
times in the last ten years.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
That's amazing. Who's the person you were? How do I
phrase this? Who's the person that you met that you
were the most surprised at how normal a person they were?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah, Okay, it's not really country music related, if that's
all right, that's fine. There's this Scottish band called Biffy
Clyro who are my favorite band and have been for decades.
It's sort of pop metal prog. It's like, there's the
most amazing sonic stuff. But they're absolutely huge in Europe
(37:18):
and England. And I grown up because I played drums.
I grown up drumming out Ben Johnson's drum parts and
just Simon Neil's the lead singers. They're a trio and
they sing. They're all Scottish and Simon sings in this
beautiful Scottish accent. So it's really like it really punchy
and very melodic. But he also does the kind of
screen core stuff which is wild. And they all play
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they're all covered in tattoos, and they all play shirtless,
and that's the thing, you know, but they do. They
do like insane pyro fifty thousand people's shit, you know,
Oh wow, amazing. So I found out that they were
playing a little tiny rock club here in Nashville called
the Mercy Lounge a few years ago, which I was
like two hundred and fifty people. I was like, what
the hell of Biffy Clyro playing? Oh my god, this
(38:00):
is amazing. So I got the night off work. I
was filming in Nashville, and the outside persona, if you
just saw them, you'd go like, all these guys look
a bit dodgy, just completely tatted up. They're in they're
in a metal band.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
They've lost their shirts.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah, like where are their clothes? But I managed to
like send a I did a little tweet before I
got there, like I can't wait to see Biffy Clyro
tonight at the Mercy Lounge, you know, And I got
a response straight away. She was like, oh fantastic, can't
wait to meet you. Will put some passes backstage. I
didn't know them. I was like, oh my god, is
(38:35):
this a miss is this a mistake? So then I
watched the show. It was amazing, and yeah, I'd stuck
my head backstage afterwards. Hello, was anybody there? And I'd
played this venue before. It's tiny, and Simon just comes
kind of running out. He's out and just got out
of the shower. He's like wrapped up in a towel
and like a dressing gown, and they're like, hello, Oh
my god, it's so great to meet you. And and
(38:57):
I said, what's happening? And they'd watched every episode in Nashville,
the huge National. He was like, oh my god, Rain
has just died in the show. What the fuck? And
so it was hilarious because yes, I had this perception
that maybe these guys are like super cool, but they're
just the sweetest guys. And that's led to me opening
tours for them. Sam is actually singing on my Deby record.
(39:18):
We haven't worked together now, so it's a kind of
like I should have put that in my definition of
making it is that like one of my heroes is
on my debut record, but yeah, the freaconceptions completely out
the window there here.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
That's so cool. I have to get a Twitter.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Oh god, I'm old. I believe it's changed its name now.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Oh yeah, no, I won't be getting a Twitter.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
You don't need that.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I don't think you're How old are you? I don't
think you're that much.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
No, I'm a lady. Never tells I'm in my thirties.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Okay, I just look right, yeah eighteen anyway.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Hey, hey, yeah for us, yeah, yeay for us.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Ex I love to be taken a little bit more seriously.
So it's like I could use like bump me up
a few years.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Okay, yeah, it seems to be doing just fine.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Oh thank you so much. So do you get recognized yourself,
and if so, is it more for Nashville or is
it more for the Princess.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
It's funny, yeah, it's mostly for Nashville, but you hit
that season like November time starts rolling around and then
it's like, oh my god, you from the Princess, which
one of my favorites is. I was like playing paintball
out in the middle of the woods in Tennessee a
few years ago for my birthday with some friends and
there's like some little girls there. The dad came up
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and was like, I'm very sorry, not that he was English,
but are you are you Prince Edward. I'm there in
like camo gear and covered in paint and will you
meet my six year old daughter? Hello? Shoot with a
paintball gun. But yeah, it's it was a fun time
shooting that Christmas movie, and like I say, it kind
of comes back around every year, and I wrote some
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songs for it so they get they get a lot
of love each year. And that's that's kind of like
that legacy thing I talked about earlier. It's like, yeah,
you do a piece of work that the kids can
enjoy that you kind of go, that's sweet, man, like
families can watch together. But yeah, mostly Nashville, of course,
when like the height of the show a few years ago. Yeah,
you walk down me and Chip walk down Broadway and.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
It's oh yeah, everyone's like, what it's like filming right now?
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, And even like I'll go to the Bluebird Cafe
and I watch some friends play and sometimes sort of
stand at the back by the soundboard. And then I realized, oh,
that's what my character used to do. He was the
sound engineer Bluebird. So then occasionally, like some people turn
around and look and they're like, is that gunnet at
the soundboard? Like it was it a reality show? So yeah,
(41:55):
if I have any little ego boost, I just walked
downtown for a second. All the like, oh my god,
you around and all the children like, we don't know
what that is. That's so funny, but we love Princess Switch.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yes, yeah, yeah, exactly where was that? Where the fictional place?
Where was that supposed to in the beginning when she's
doing like this little map and I was like trying
to figure out where somewhere.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
In eastern Europe, right, I think it's it's supposed to
be somewhere, you know, we filmed in Romania, and so
it's it's somewhere around Transvania area. Let's just say it's
it's what's it called the fictional land?
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Well, it's you are one of the royalty there, I was.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
I should know. I'm the prince of Oh my god,
I'm the Prince of Monrovia, Moldovia.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
What wait a minute, your disaster? This is.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
People keep going like are they going to bring it
back for a fourth one? And then I'll see this
and they'll be like, what sound's not coming back.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
All I'm getting is uh, Chicago, which is not helpful.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Chicago to here we are in. No, I think it's
in the same kind of territory as a Christmas prince Montenaro.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Ah, why were we saying Monrovia because I think do
you sound like types of sauces for like me?
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah, well, because I think when they have the baking
contests in the first thing, I think that's in monroe
Via maybe, or it's like the baking contest of Montenaro.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Right Montenaro. Yeah, and Baul Gravia. What a disaster. Well yeah,
on that note, yeah, yeah, I am going to thank
you here, so thank you. Oh plug your plug your
oh please yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Hey, it's been really fun. Thanks for having me. Just
tell us, tell us okay, yeah, you know sure sure.
Ure tour So my debut record comes out September thirteenth.
I'm hitting the UK back half of September. September twenty
second is the first show in Leeds and it takes
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me for five or six shows through the end of September.
So yeah, it's an exciting time.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Pre save it now, yeah, and then book some dates in.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
The US for sure. There's definitely there's definitely a few
things coming. There's going to be a Nasville show in
October that we're figuring out. Oh fun, and then we'll
go from there.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
So okay, well I live near New York, so.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yeah, I'm going to try. I want to do the Nashville,
LA New York little like soft release soft celebration thing
at the end of this year and then hit next
year run in with some festivals and fine stuff.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
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Speaker 2 (46:08):
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Hi, I'm Emily and I'm Hayley. After meeting online, we
became international best friends who bonded over how hard it
is to find success in the entertainment industry. Join us
and our celebrity co authors as they help us write
the book on how to make it and, more importantly,
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uncover what making it even means. You know, saying we
met online sounds a lot sexier than it actually is. Emily,
you don't think it's clear we met on a networking site? No,
I think it sounds very much like I swiped right
on you, my friend. Would you like to meet a
British person online site? We're going to have to do
this again now, aren't we. Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Hi, my name's Sam Palladio and I wanted to be
a marine biologist when I grew up.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yes, okay, tell me tell me all about it. How
did it start? Did the dream die?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Did it die because I wasn't clever enough actually, so
that's a sad start. But no. So I grew up
on the southwest coast of England, down in Cornwall, which
is beautiful coastal. I was a minute from the beach,
grew up surfing and swimming and you know it's cold water,
but it's it's a beautiful kind of beachside. Childhood, so
I guess I was just obsessed with tide pools and
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collecting sea creatures. And I had like aquariums outside like
my front door and like in my room, and my
dad would take me down to the down to the
beach every few days and we'd fill up buckets of
water and so so I love that kind of stuff.
And then also the other side of my family on
my mom's side, are all marine biologists, so like my uncle,
(01:50):
my aunt, my cousins, you know, were so in that world.
And it also kind of came from my grandpa Alan,
who's about to be one hundred and two, and he
was scuba diving his whole life. He retired at like
fifty five, so he's been retired for a long time.
(02:12):
But after his retirement he ended up you know, he
had an old diving buddy and they were diving up
until they were about eighty years old and studying marine
ecology and sea life. And so I just loved that
as a kid. Actually behind me, I've got like an
octopus posters. I just realized very on brand. So all
the way up until about like seventeen eighteen. I was
like two, like I was at college. But at that
(02:37):
same time, I've been playing bands and doing theater and
really enjoying that, but still like, no, no, I want
to you know, I want to be like an oceanographer
or something when I grew up. So it wasn't until
I got to like, yeah, sixteen seventeen at what we
call college in the UK, so that's sixteen to eighteen.
Then you got a university, so it's like pre university.
But I was taking like science and chemistry and also
(02:59):
like photography and French. I think with my subjects, so
like no kind of like music or theater or And
then I spent about two months like sitting in chemistry
labs trying to understand how on earth to do these
equations and looking around the room and I was in
like a Metallica T shirt and everyone else is in
like science equipment gear. I'm like, oh, maybe this isn't
(03:21):
my Maybe I'm not supposed to do this, So I
dropped everything. I took theater and music. Wow, okay, I'm out.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Just because of the health that you picked it that morning?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, right, just because of the T shirt. No, because
at that point I'd been really I've been writing a
lot of music, I've been in garage bands, I've been
really enjoying like school theater club and after school theater,
and I was in like a dance group, and so
this sort of like performing arts stuff was clearly taking
over and was clearly what I was feeling is more
(03:54):
my world, but still trying to like honor the no
science thing, and that didn't.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I feel like that's the age where you realize what
the job actually is, right like, and and people who
want to like almost would criss cross like people who
thought they wanted to be a performer and then realize
what goes into that would.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
True and they back out of that, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, and then you're like, oh shit, this I have
to like doing all this?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, just looking at like I'm dyslexic as well, so
looking at like tables and and I enjoyed like the
periodic table and stuff, but it was just the mass that, yeah,
it involved, it was the mass and stuff involved. I
was like, I can't do it. I just want to
like being I just want to go Snorkeling was basically
like my realization I want to do that a fan,
(04:48):
So yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
More of a vacation marine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was
a story. I feel like that was a journey we
just went on. So we then go to two random
(05:10):
facts found out about you from the internet. Oh, respond,
so far we haven't framed anyone for any crimes or anything.
That's good.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
That's good. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
The first one is that you have an Instagram for
your dog. Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I do? I do.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
He's very cute. Is he is he Instagram? Like? Does
he have fans that are just his fans and not
your fans?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I would like to think so I'm a bad Instagram
dog dad, because it's one of those you know, you
set it up when you first get a dog, and
he's actually like, he's not He's not in Doug the
Pug territory of course, even though Doug the Pug is
one of his friends. I have to add so because
Doug the Pugs dad, Yeah, Dougs down the road. So
(05:59):
you know, River's been to dog's birthday and vice versa.
But he's a sweet boy. He's a whippet, so he's
you know, he's sort of the in between Italian Greyhound
and a greyhound. He's my little boy. You know, that's
another one of those.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Things where you don't realize how much work would go
into actually having an Instagram for your dog. You start yeah,
and then you're.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Like, yeah, I did a few posts in twenty eighteen
or something, and then every year I'm like, oh, I
have a you know, I occasionally tag him into something
and then he gets a load of a load of love.
Oh I've got a Yeah. Trying to balance an acting
career and music career in a dog Instagram account is,
you know, coming up with coming up with dog content.
It's probably much easier than trying to come up with like,
(06:42):
here's this new single that I'm trying to promote content.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Very okay, Yeah, that's okay, to stick with the dog.
Save that thought, because that goes into one of my questions.
But I have to get to your second random fact,
which is that you seem to have a lovely friendship
with Charles m Yeah. I guessing this started in the
Nashville days, and so what is it about that you
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guys that that makes that friendship so strong?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Well, you know, the Nashville TV show was such a
unique experience for us all on the show because I
think we all came to We all came to the
job as musicians as well. We all act, but we
all played instruments. We all sat, well, we're all aspiring,
you know, rock stars. And then they you know, that
(07:36):
show went for six years. So we all moved to Nashville.
I moved from England. I'd never been to America before. Wow,
I booked at a gig. I booked the gig off
of self tape from London. You know, so then suddenly
I might dropped into Nashville, Chips dropped into Nashville. Claire
Bow and you know, Chris Carmack, We're all just like,
this place is incredible. So because it wasn't one of
(07:58):
those jobs that just we did a couple of work
and then we all disappeared somewhere else. We were here
within twenty two episodes a season, so we were here
for ten months of the year for like basically five
six years. So we just got really close. And you know,
we're all pursuing a lot of us are pursuing music outs,
you know, our own original music. I've got my first
(08:19):
record coming out September thirteenth. You know, it's been ten
years in the making, but you know, so hell, hell
we will, we will. I've been doing that a lot,
but you know, we all just support each other. And
so Chip still lives here and I still live here,
and that's a testament to how cool the city is
and how welcomed we felt, so that any opportunity like
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he's playing, he's doing a single release, or he's doing
I mean I was even in London like two months
ago and he was playing the London Palladium, which is
an incredible venue, and I was like, dude, I'm going
to be in town. He's like, You've got to come
up and sing one, okay, And then I get the
glory of walking out a guest and we do that
all the time, which is great. He's a hustler. I
(09:03):
love him so much. He's super talented. He's hilariously funny.
He can play damn good bad guy on outer Banks,
and he can write a good country tune. And he's
always been really supportive of me, and he's just a
lovely guy. So yeah, special, it was a special TV show.
You know, you get some of these jobs that just
you do for a few months, and that was fun.
But this has become that show changed my life and
(09:25):
has been a huge chapter. I had all my twenties
here and you know, into my thirties, and so I'm
still here. I'm still sitting in Nashville right now.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
And you do you travel back and forth a lot?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yep, I guess a lot of that is well, one
seeing family, but two Yeah, I'm putting this record out,
which for me, I wrote so much of it in
the UK. Yeah, it's a record which is a combination
of my ten years here in Nashville but also wanting
to get back to my roots in the UK, and
so it was all written out of there. We've got
(09:56):
a big push to start the sort of promo over there,
and I'm doing a UK tour in September to the border,
a headline tour, and so I've been back and forth
a lot in the last few months. And then of
course I've got a load of mates getting married this summer,
so I was there like a week ago and I
leave on Monday to go back for another, like my
best Majeor Gina's wedding in my hometown. So it's been
(10:17):
a fun summer and a lot of traveling. Thankfully, there's
a direct flight from Nashville these days.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, that's very true. Yeah. I noticed there were no
US dates for the tour, so I was like, well,
I've I did my part. I would do more, but.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Well, we're certainly like we're starting there, a little push there,
and then the US dates are are en route, shall
we say?
Speaker 1 (10:37):
So?
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Okay, whenever, you know, whenever they're out. You know, I
know a guy that might be able to sort your tickets.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Okay, thank you. I just actually went randomly to the
New Kids on the Block concert last week, Wolberg's guest,
because he was wow podcast there you go wild. Yeah, yeah,
we can make it happen. The reason I start to
this show was to get free concert tickets. Let's be honest.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
That's why I started acting, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, yeah, So do you have a tough time? I
was living in California for ten years when I moved
back recently from Los Angeles to the East Coast, and
I'm wondering, like, that's within my own country, but I'm
wondering if you have to like shift because I find
the world is so different on this side of the
(11:27):
country versus the West Coast, and I'm wondering, like, is
there a mode that you go into when you are
in Nashville versus England, or do you find that it's
pretty Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
When I get to the UK, it's usually it'd be
for work, or it'd be for some promo, or it'd
be for like like a few days or a week,
and I'm trying to see as many friends as i
can and also try not to ignore some friends that
you don't want to see that you know you might
run into. It's always seems to be kind of go
go go for a second when I get there. But
then I'm also, like I talked about earlier, I'm from
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the southwest of England, which is like a six hour
train from London. So it's basically the same as flying
from New York to London. So I've got to do
the first journey to get to London and then this
sort of pilgrimage down to the last town in England.
So that's always a gear shift because that's a bit
of a reset. And I get home and I'm on
the coast and I miss I'm very landlocked here so
(12:22):
in Tennessee, so I missed, I missed the ocean, I
missed some space. So there's there's the shoulders drop a
little bit, I think when I get home, and then
I've just got to switch my leg driving onto the
side of the road, brain in gear. Oh pretty much,
which is weirdly happens instantly and I don't think about it.
But occasionally I'm in a parking lot or a car park,
as I'd say, that's the only time it screws me over,
(12:45):
and I'm just pulling out of a spot, and then
I just going on to a pilot and I don't
know where I'm going to the main roads. Thankfully, I
think I'm all right.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I don't think I'll ever be able to I've only
been to England once, it was last summer, and I
don't think I will ever not be in an uber
you want.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Safety, Well, my first, like my first experience of driving
in the States was i'd shot the Nashville show. I
flew to LA for the first time for pilot season
or something, you know, for just for like killing time
while we waited to see if the show got picked up.
And so right, well, I guess I need to drive
around LA. So I hired a car and just kind
of got in. I was like, what do I do?
(13:21):
And I ended up I was like, I know I
do I'll just follow the guy in front of me.
So I end up my first intersection where, of course,
in the UK you don't do the thing where you know,
if you want to turn left across oncoming traffic in
the States, you sort of pull out into the middle
and just like try and squeeze past. So I thought, well,
I'll just follow what the guy in front of me does.
Of course I end up at the front my first
(13:42):
intersection ever, with so much traffic coming towards going how
the hell do I get across? How do I do it?
And it wasn't until this like Porsche behind me just
like slammed his horn, whipped around me and cut across that.
I was like, oh, that's how you do it. So
then I just followed him.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
You need to get a flag just be like oh yeah, sorry, though,
like a student driver. Do you guys have student driver
bumper stickers? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, the l plates and stuffy and.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Yeah, just do that.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I saw a bumper stick yesterday and it said don't
honk at me. I'm already crying, and I was like,
I need them.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
That's most people that should just be like sprayed onto
every car like as a as a government advisory.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yes, exactly. So earlier you mentioned when we're talking about
your dog's Instagram page, the of kind of like the
world where maybe you didn't but this is where my
brain went. Is kind of like this world we're now
(14:48):
in where you can very easily compare yourself to other
people with views and streams and likes and all that stuff. Followers.
I mean, I was working in TV and film before,
and that already seems so crowded, But music, to me
seems like a whole other beast. And I'm wondering how
kind of I imagine that you'd have to be reminding
(15:09):
yourself of, like why you got into it in the
first place, and the love. Yeah, do you find that
that's a struggle and how do you kind of balance that?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah? No, for sure it is. And I think it's
it's because I've had two sides of it. I've had
the thing where I'm on a show that I don't
need to physically be promoting every day. Hey, please watch
the next episode. In Nashville, there's thankfully a couple million
dollar budget and marketing over there. So now I'm on
the other side of it as an independent artist putting
out music for the first time, going oh, yes, got
(15:40):
to put the work in. Yeah, it's very easy to
get lost in trying to think up be a content creator,
which I'm not. I tried my best to be a
decent songwriter and like get that far and then it's like, cool,
I've got the record made, and I know I've got
to learn this other skill set, which is content creation.
And I think because I'm coming into into this game
(16:00):
a few years behind, maybe a twenty year old that's
like so tech savvy and TikTok savvy, and I just
didn't really kind of grow up in that world of
that's your everyday way of communicating. I'm not that old obviously,
but in terms of like making music with social media
sort of in mind, Yeah, there's a bit of that
(16:22):
these days. And I get it. It's that if you
want to get the hook out there, you want to
hit that chorus twenty five seconds in to keep attention
spans because they're so short, because we're so used to
the zero point three second of a flip. And I
kind of hate the fact that you can see all
the numbers and you can see the exact amount of
people who've watched it or viewed it or listened to
(16:42):
it for the exact amount of time, and you go, oh,
I've I've got ten thousand views on this and you
look and actually each view is no aer point, not
two of a second or something, and that you're like, well,
that doesn't really count. So I'd rather be like blissfully unaware.
But I also understand that it's it can be a
useful resource to know where you need to put some
(17:03):
investment or up your game or so, yeah, I find
it challenging because I put this debut record. I wrote
a lot of the songs a few years ago, and
then I made the record about two years ago, and
then it takes that long to find your team and
put the pieces together and then start shooting videos. And
so you end up putting so much creative energy and
love into this thing and then, like I say, and
(17:25):
then you face with shit, how do I get it
out here? Now? What are the algorithms that I need
to try and hit? Because that's a challenge. I found
that my Nashville fan base, they're super loyal and I
love it. And we get to go to the UK
and do these arena tours with myself and the cast
of Nashville. It's wild. But then that doesn't actually really
translate to like my own stuff coming out. I know
(17:45):
it is a little different. I'm more in the alternative
world as opposed to I'm not putting out a country record.
But yeah, there's algorithms that think that, oh, this isn't
this isn't Sam Palladio. Yeah, because also I did all
these Christmas songs for these Netflix films. I did, so
my Spotify is like random soundtracks that I've been on
and like Christmas music, and then I'm putting out like
indie rock band britpop and it's like, don't understand that.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
The amount of times I told myself today I can't
just talk about the Princess switch is it's been difficult.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Hey, I'm all here, you got me, you got me,
So if you want to chat about it, I'm all down.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I just the season. The season is coming. So it's
the gift that keeps giving.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Well, it was great because I had a reason to
watch a Christmas movie.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Now I'm sorry, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I loved it, are you No? I'm already got my
Halloween stuff, like ready to go so I'm fair enough.
It was a treat. It was a treat for me.
But but yeah, I find it's it's difficult, especially with
this kind of stuff. Is we'll compile a video of
some guests saying this really powerful motivational thing, but then
(18:56):
all cut a clip of me being an idiot and
saying something, and then and I just being stupid and
that one. I'm like, we yeah, can I direct you
to like it?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
By the way, it's also yeah, so it's weird, isn't it?
The same thing just shot a bunch of music videos,
put a lot of money and time into and fantastic,
and then a little stupid promo that you just did
on an iPhone to try and get people to watch
the video pops off and you're like, no, no, no, no,
but what about the video?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, it's it's so hard because then I get like
these incredible opportunities from having an Instagram, and I'm just like, ough,
you can't not It's I hate it. I think it'll
be interesting in ten years or twenty years how people
decide what they like when this stuff is less spoon
fed to them.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, I think the people with fan bases who actually
enjoy the person or the music or whatever the project
is will prevail over. Like, there's a couple of artists
that I love, have loved for like almost ten years
who recently blew up, and I like don't want to
go to the concert right now because I don't want
to have to be there with all the people who
(20:06):
found them on top.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Interesting, I'm like I preferred it when it wasn't this,
and not in like a annoying like oh I have
to be original way, but just like they're going to
I know what they're going to play, and I know
they're going to play it because it's it's on social
media right now, and I anyway.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Well that's it. And I think like record labels and
management companies and stuff, see it's it's a business at
the end of the day, it's the music business. So
they see that, hey, this trend is working on this,
you know, you should make music that caters to this audience.
But actually, yeah, that can just strip away the art
form really if if you're not careful. So you know,
(20:49):
for me, I tried to make this record in a
vacuum with a couple of producers that were dear friends
and at that point, didn't have a management, didn't have
a record deal, didn't have anything. So this record came
out of like, okay, right, heart on the sleeve, what
do I feel like? Is me? And then yes, it
might not be the the biggest pop song in the
world or something, but it feels like representative of a
(21:10):
story I'm trying to tell about me. Because of course,
as I've been an active for most of my career,
it's playing a lot of roles and so here I'm
trying to get back to the bones of it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, are there any songs about sea creatures or marine miles?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
There's a lot of I mean yeah, there's lyrics about
swimming with sharks. Literally. There's a song called boat that's
all about for my dad. Basically like the record to
get a little deeper, Actually, I lost my mum in
twenty eighteen, so the record's all dedicated to her, and
so it's very much a family affair and a sense
(21:47):
of there's the title track is a sort of dedication
to her, and then I've got on the other side
of things. The song for my Dad that's a sort
of uplifting, sort of almost like Blink one eighty two
Anthem things. Yeah, it's like dancing through the sadness of everything.
And that's what I wanted to do, is kind of
like lay it all out there, but then find ways
(22:09):
to find joy in those sad moments. Will put yourself
out of the dark times by celebrating life too. There's
definitely there's lots of ocean, oceanic references and beach and
summer Gone, like the Summer as a single I just
put out, which is all about being in California and
San Diego and being on the beach, and I shot
the I shot the video of my hometown on the beach, and.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
So yeah, hard hard pivot to like a children's musician
and just sing about marine wild, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
The octopus was coming down the stairs.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
But yeah, yeah, a whole album.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
The guy who wrote Baby Shark lives here and he
occasionally whips it out a songwriters round and it's like genius.
Oh my god, my nephew.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Is too, and he loves that song. So we go,
there's they don't have I just realized they don't have
hopefully they don't have social media, so.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Two, yeah, maybe it may be starting.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Yeah, Oh my god, yeah, my my niece, I was
looking at gifts for her for her first birthday and
you can buy like a little plastic iPhone toy that's
like a rattle and I that bummed me out. That
was a tough So next we move into a section
(23:40):
called the Story, where we give our guests an opportunity
to share a moment from your career journey. It could
be the start, it could be yesterday. That's a moment
of like what the heck am I doing? What? What
am I doing this all for? And the hope is
so that our listeners can can realize that the shit
(24:01):
they're doing to try and make it in their careers
is worth it.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I had a quick look just before we started, so
I was like, okay, I can talk about that. I
can talk about that. But there's a sort of a
job horror story that made me certainly question like what
am I doing? And like why does this industry treat
you so badly? So basically, I was in a West
(24:24):
End show in London and I'd done an audition for
this commercial, for a BlackBerry commercial, and blackberries was still
a thing your listeners to be like, what's a BlackBerry?
So this was fifteen years ago, as I think and
I got this gig and it was one of those
that like page you really well for like a day's work,
and it was like a year salary or something. Oh
my god, this is going to be amazing. But I
(24:45):
was in this play and I had to take the
night off sick and it was on a Saturday, so
I had two shows to pull a double sickie. So
I got it and the morning off just had to
call up and so sorry, I can't. I don't think
I can make it in and they're like, it's okay,
we'll send the doctor over. It's like no, I couldn't
possibly even open the door. Somehow got away with that.
(25:08):
They were like, oh right, well we'll put your understudy on.
And so the show I was in at that point
they were rehearsing a complete duplicate cast to go out
and do a UK tour. So there was like one
rehearsal room in the whole of London and one street
that I really didn't want to be on that day.
Of course, what happens is that I get the call
sheet for where like the holding set is before we
(25:30):
go to set to shoot the commercial, and it's outside
the rehearsal room where my director, the whole creative team.
I know they're all in this room. So I am
absolutely bricking it. And so we pull up to the holding,
which is a double decker bus that they'd hired, which
is would be cool normally, but that meant that meant
it was tall enough and the top deck is where
(25:52):
we were getting held that I could look into the
windows and see my boss in there and see like
the guy who was playing my role, and go, oh
my god. And I just had to tell the other
actors like, hey, I'm so sorry if I'm like absolutely
sweating right now, but you see that guy down there, Yeah,
he's my boss. I pulled the sicky, like I could
get fired from this play I'm in. So that was
that was the start of the day. And then what
(26:12):
I'm getting to is we got to set, which was
in the Hoxton in London, really cool little area. I
turn up and the little storyline was like a guy
and a girl at a coffee shop, interacting, having a
little fight, making up, kissing make up kind of thing.
So simple little thing. And so there's one lead girl
and then I turned up and there's this other actor
(26:32):
there also called Sam. Hilariously enough so I say, hey, man,
how you doing. I'm Sam. I'm playing the lead in
the video. And he's like, oh, well, I'm Sam and
I'm playing the lead in the video. What I think
there's a mistaken No, I'm playing the guy that comes
in and meets the girl in the coffee shop. And
I'm like, you know, I'm doing the huh. So then
(26:53):
they call first Sam to set and start like shooting
this commercial, and so I'm sort of walking around the
set trying to like talk to producers and like hey,
what's trying to find out what the hell's going on.
So eventually, like in between setups, I get to the
producer and hey, And it turned out that because it
was BlackBerry, they had so much money that the director
(27:15):
wanted to shoot this other guy because he'd been in
another part of the commercial, so he wanted to kind
of link the same character in this other story. And
they'd gone, Okay, we'll pay for that, you shoot your version,
but we want Sam Pladio, so we'll we'll shoot him
as well. So I had to turn up and eventually
found the director and the guy goes, look, I know
(27:35):
you're an insecure actor, but this is what we're doing.
I want to shoot him. I want him for my video.
They they've made me hire you as well, but you're
insecure about it. I get it. But we're going with
this guy, so talk about And this is actually the
first thing I'd ever done on camera. I'd never booked
a TV show, I'd never done it was my first commercial.
(27:57):
So then I've eventually got in and I shot it
myself often thankfully it turned out that I'd signed the
contract before, so they had to use me. But but
so I made I made the cut. But at the
same time, I was like, you know, what is happening
right now?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
What?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
There was so much money, so much like don't give
a fuck thrown around, and this director was such a
dick and to sort of feel like he had the
power just to look just completely blot shoot me down
and not have any empathy for what they were doing,
which was pretty messed up, honestly and kind of unheard
up to shoot something twice that I was just like,
(28:34):
what am I doing? And I could have lost my
job because I was in the theater things like this.
There was a lot on the line for me that day,
and the director just kind of threw me under the bus,
but it worked out eventually. I got away with it
and I never told you know anybody that, so hopefully
I don't get sued ten years later.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I don't know what the statute of limitations is.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, that's probably past.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, okay, but in John probably good Clarry, because who
has a BlackBerry anymore. They shouldn't have spent that money
on shooting.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
They'd still be they'd still be in production if they had.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
They hadn't our episode that's coming out Monday. The actor.
He also was talking about an audition and a director
who was super rude, like, it's just very bizarre to
me that, like you you make it to doing the
job and you're like angry and miserable in me and
(29:26):
I don't quite understand. Moving on to our definition of
making it and this could be, this can be I learned.
I have to preface this. This can be in life
(29:47):
or in your career or what. It doesn't have to be, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Well. I think the definition of making it for me
lies in the music world, and I think it lies
in sort of legacy and what you leave behind for
others and what connects people. Honestly, so I found that
music and storytelling is a powerful thing if you're able
(30:17):
to create a piece of art that you put out
in the world that someone can relate to and relate
that to their life and share a story and make
them think about somebody they miss or they love, or
that's really important to me. I put this single out
last year, which was the first track off my record.
(30:39):
The album's out not yet, but I talked about it
this September. Yeah, Yeah, and this song is called something
on my Mind and it's that's the song that I
wrote for my mum about losing her, and so I
put that out as the first thing ever last year.
And yeah, the amount of beautiful messages I got from people,
saying one in particular really got me. That was a
(31:02):
girl who had lost her aunt, who she was incredibly
close to and hadn't been able to grieve or cry
about it for like six months. It had been she
just wasn't able to process anything, and she sent me
this message that was like, Hey, I just want to
say I've just listened to your song about losing your mum,
and I want to say thank you, because it's just
(31:23):
I've just been able to cry for the first time
about my aunt and it's opened up a load of
stuff and thank you for sharing that. So I was like, man,
you know, that's what you do. That's what you do
it for, I think, And that's what so you know, Yeah,
it'd be great to have some gold plaques and stuff.
But if it means that there's a small group of
(31:45):
people that can be touched by something that you've created
that you get to leave behind and for others to
find along the trail, then I think that's that's the
definition of making it for me, is just connecting to
other human beings and feeling a kinship and feeling like
we're in this shared experience together. And yeah, you can
(32:05):
have an oscar, you can have whatever, you can have
a mansion with a Ferrari, but it's like that's cool stuff,
but that's just stuff. Yeah, if you can be a
Neil Young and leave behind a body of work that
in the future somebody might find.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I was going to ask, is there's someone that brings
that to mine for you?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah, somebody like Because my music taste was so eclectic.
I grew up playing rock bands and then I discovered
like seventies folk, and then I went to Nashville and
so I just kind of weave around through stuff. But
some like James Taylor, classic American folks singer, somebody like that.
His music got me through a really hard time when
my mum was very unwell, and mum loved his music,
(32:46):
so it connected me to her and it connected me
to his beautiful storytelling and songs. So yeah, there's somebody
like that that I go. He's in his late seventies now,
but will always be a part of my sort of
like musical journey, your radar or I don't know, there'd
be a space in my my existence, my vibration for
like James Taylor's song.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
So yeah, I think that's that's very sweet. Good answer.
It's good, just like not listing or not saying what
you wanted to be currently are. It's like if you
had been like what ye're like, Hey.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I fucking made well look.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
At me now, that's our time. No.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
If you had to pick a chapter title that sums
up your career journey thus far, m what would it be?
Speaker 2 (33:47):
My chapter for this little section was I think should
be titled who Knew a Country Music Star could be?
Cornish's That was my like like bingo, card, I guess
you know, I'm surrounded by this music country music royalty
and grand old operies down the road and these hilarious
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things that I've experienced these these last ten years, and
from this little coastal fishing village in England.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
It's like, have there been any musicians, like big musicians
that come out of your area.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Dot dot There's there's there's like musicians that are sort
of from that, Like the most famous she's not a musician,
but Fandy Newton, the great actress, was from my hometown.
Grew up in my hometown randomly, but there's like there's
there's sporadic things like Roger Taylor from Queen, the drummer
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of Queen grew up down the road. And there's a
few musician musician things like that. I think actually meet
Meet Fleetwood from Pleetwood, Mac was another like cornish village connection.
So there's there's a few things like that, but there's
no I don't think there's real be big artists or
big band to come out of particularly my little tiny
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end of England. There's like twenty thousand people in my town.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Is the grand Old Opry, you know what it is here?
Like if you mentioned it there to a random person,
would they have really no idea?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yeah I had. I mean I was around music and
I was an actor in London in my mid twenties,
and I had never heard of Grand Old Oprey. I
didn't know anything about country music. I was into some
of the stuff. I was talking about the seventies folks stuff,
but I didn't know about modern country music. I didn't
know about the carry Underwoods and Brad Paisley's and all
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those kind of folks. That was completely oblivious and yeah,
grand od Oprey, No, what's that? And then you come
to learn of the history of some venues and that
shows me on the air for almost one hundred years
and depart the careers of well just popularized country music
world white because I think it was the I think
it literally had an antenna that could reach the furthest
(36:04):
It was one of those where like, oh, logistically obviously
that the genre connected with America, but it also helped
that this thing could get it out as far as
it possibly could, so like people could pick it up.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yeah, maybe others couldn't. So it's really interesting. But I
do love a bit of music history. For me, like
certain musicians feel like story about characters or superheroes, or
like fiction like Willie Nelson or something. It feels like
a fiction. Yeah, it feels like Davy Crockett or something
like that, or like, yeah, but they're here, and so
it's quite funny that the world me ends up at
(36:40):
the ground ot Ot Breed, which I've played probably forty
times in the last ten years.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
That's amazing. Who's the person you were? How do I
phrase this? Who's the person that you met that you
were the most surprised at how normal a person they were?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah, Okay, it's not really country music related, if that's
all right, that's fine. There's this Scottish band called Biffy
Clyro who are my favorite band and have been for decades.
It's sort of pop metal prog. It's like, there's the
most amazing sonic stuff. But they're absolutely huge in Europe
(37:18):
and England. And I grown up because I played drums.
I grown up drumming out Ben Johnson's drum parts and
just Simon Neil's the lead singers. They're a trio and
they sing. They're all Scottish and Simon sings in this
beautiful Scottish accent. So it's really like it really punchy
and very melodic. But he also does the kind of
screen core stuff which is wild. And they all play
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they're all covered in tattoos, and they all play shirtless,
and that's the thing, you know, but they do. They
do like insane pyro fifty thousand people's shit, you know,
Oh wow, amazing. So I found out that they were
playing a little tiny rock club here in Nashville called
the Mercy Lounge a few years ago, which I was
like two hundred and fifty people. I was like, what
the hell of Biffy Clyro playing? Oh my god, this
(38:00):
is amazing. So I got the night off work. I
was filming in Nashville, and the outside persona, if you
just saw them, you'd go like, all these guys look
a bit dodgy, just completely tatted up. They're in they're
in a metal band.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
They've lost their shirts.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yeah, like where are their clothes? But I managed to
like send a I did a little tweet before I
got there, like I can't wait to see Biffy Clyro
tonight at the Mercy Lounge, you know, And I got
a response straight away. She was like, oh fantastic, can't
wait to meet you. Will put some passes backstage. I
didn't know them. I was like, oh my god, is
(38:35):
this a miss is this a mistake? So then I
watched the show. It was amazing, and yeah, I'd stuck
my head backstage afterwards. Hello, was anybody there? And I'd
played this venue before. It's tiny, and Simon just comes
kind of running out. He's out and just got out
of the shower. He's like wrapped up in a towel
and like a dressing gown, and they're like, hello, Oh
my god, it's so great to meet you. And and
(38:57):
I said, what's happening? And they'd watched every episode in Nashville,
the huge National. He was like, oh my god, Rain
has just died in the show. What the fuck? And
so it was hilarious because yes, I had this perception
that maybe these guys are like super cool, but they're
just the sweetest guys. And that's led to me opening
tours for them. Sam is actually singing on my Deby record.
(39:18):
We haven't worked together now, so it's a kind of
like I should have put that in my definition of
making it is that like one of my heroes is
on my debut record, but yeah, the freaconceptions completely out
the window there here.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
That's so cool. I have to get a Twitter.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Oh god, I'm old. I believe it's changed its name now.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Oh yeah, no, I won't be getting a Twitter.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
You don't need that.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
I don't think you're How old are you? I don't
think you're that much.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
No, I'm a lady. Never tells I'm in my thirties.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Okay, I just look right, yeah eighteen anyway.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Hey, hey, yeah for us, yeah, yeay for us.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Ex I love to be taken a little bit more seriously.
So it's like I could use like bump me up
a few years.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Okay, yeah, it seems to be doing just fine.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Oh thank you so much. So do you get recognized yourself,
and if so, is it more for Nashville or is
it more for the Princess.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
It's funny, yeah, it's mostly for Nashville, but you hit
that season like November time starts rolling around and then
it's like, oh my god, you from the Princess, which
one of my favorites is. I was like playing paintball
out in the middle of the woods in Tennessee a
few years ago for my birthday with some friends and
there's like some little girls there. The dad came up
(40:47):
and was like, I'm very sorry, not that he was English,
but are you are you Prince Edward. I'm there in
like camo gear and covered in paint and will you
meet my six year old daughter? Hello? Shoot with a
paintball gun. But yeah, it's it was a fun time
shooting that Christmas movie, and like I say, it kind
of comes back around every year, and I wrote some
(41:09):
songs for it so they get they get a lot
of love each year. And that's that's kind of like
that legacy thing I talked about earlier. It's like, yeah,
you do a piece of work that the kids can
enjoy that you kind of go, that's sweet, man, like
families can watch together. But yeah, mostly Nashville, of course,
when like the height of the show a few years ago. Yeah,
you walk down me and Chip walk down Broadway and.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
It's oh yeah, everyone's like, what it's like filming right now?
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, And even like I'll go to the Bluebird Cafe
and I watch some friends play and sometimes sort of
stand at the back by the soundboard. And then I realized, oh,
that's what my character used to do. He was the
sound engineer Bluebird. So then occasionally, like some people turn
around and look and they're like, is that gunnet at
the soundboard? Like it was it a reality show? So yeah,
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if I have any little ego boost, I just walked
downtown for a second. All the like, oh my god,
you around and all the children like, we don't know
what that is. That's so funny, but we love Princess Switch.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Yes, yeah, yeah, exactly where was that? Where the fictional place?
Where was that supposed to in the beginning when she's
doing like this little map and I was like trying
to figure out where somewhere.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
In eastern Europe, right, I think it's it's supposed to
be somewhere, you know, we filmed in Romania, and so
it's it's somewhere around Transvania area. Let's just say it's
it's what's it called the fictional land?
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Well, it's you are one of the royalty there, I was.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
I should know. I'm the prince of Oh my god,
I'm the Prince of Monrovia, Moldovia.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
What wait a minute, your disaster? This is.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
People keep going like are they going to bring it
back for a fourth one? And then I'll see this
and they'll be like, what sound's not coming back.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
All I'm getting is uh, Chicago, which is not helpful.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Chicago to here we are in. No, I think it's
in the same kind of territory as a Christmas prince Montenaro.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Ah, why were we saying Monrovia because I think do
you sound like types of sauces for like me?
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Yeah, well, because I think when they have the baking
contests in the first thing, I think that's in monroe
Via maybe, or it's like the baking contest of Montenaro.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Right Montenaro. Yeah, and Baul Gravia. What a disaster. Well yeah,
on that note, yeah, yeah, I am going to thank
you here, so thank you. Oh plug your plug your
oh please yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Hey, it's been really fun. Thanks for having me. Just
tell us, tell us okay, yeah, you know sure sure.
Ure tour So my debut record comes out September thirteenth.
I'm hitting the UK back half of September. September twenty
second is the first show in Leeds and it takes
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me for five or six shows through the end of September.
So yeah, it's an exciting time.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Pre save it now, yeah, and then book some dates in.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
The US for sure. There's definitely there's definitely a few
things coming. There's going to be a Nasville show in
October that we're figuring out. Oh fun, and then we'll
go from there.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
So okay, well I live near New York, so.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yeah, I'm going to try. I want to do the Nashville,
LA New York little like soft release soft celebration thing
at the end of this year and then hit next
year run in with some festivals and fine stuff.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
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