April 21, 2025 • 62 mins
Actor Ólafur 'Darri' Ólafsson joins Emily & Haley to discuss being star-struck on the set of 'Severance,' his role in the 'Eurovision Song Contest,' and is the first guest to wonder how Emily & Haley know each other. Emily can't help but talk about 'The Office,' Haley wonders if Darri's audiobook career will take him anywhere saucy, and we find out if Iceland is really as cold as it sounds.
So tuck your leather jacket into your pants, sing Jaja Ding Dong, and don't get a hand tattoo as you listen to Episode 22 of 'How To Make It With Emily & Haley,' our first interview to ever take place in three different countries.
Watch this full interview on our YouTube channel: @HowToMakeItPodcast
Follow us on Instagram: @HowToMakeItPodcast
So tuck your leather jacket into your pants, sing Jaja Ding Dong, and don't get a hand tattoo as you listen to Episode 22 of 'How To Make It With Emily & Haley,' our first interview to ever take place in three different countries.
Watch this full interview on our YouTube channel: @HowToMakeItPodcast
Follow us on Instagram: @HowToMakeItPodcast
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Emily and I'm Hailey. After meeting online, we
became international best friends who bonded over how hard it
is to find success in the entertainment industry.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Join us and our celebrity co authors as they help
us write the book on how to make.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
It and, more importantly, uncover what making it even means?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
May that made us sound so much more serious than
we actually are?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Should we switch rolls on this this time? Okay, see
that's the intro.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Hi, my name is Olaboratoriolson, and I wanted to be
probably you know, a fireman or a policeman or something.
At the start, we never thought actor.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I think, never really.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Really, Oh what took you down that past?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Then?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
The simple answer is probably best. When I was in college,
I was in a class. There were nineteen girls and
two boys, and I remember the girls were involved in
the theater, so the theater group and they came. They
had had a read through. No boys showed up, so
they asked the boys to join, and I was like, well, yeah,
(01:23):
it can't be all bad, and sure enough I went
and kind of fell in love with it.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
That's a great origin story.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Basically because of girls.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, well that's great.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I think that's a reason why a lot of guys
get into the acting.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
You know, probably I know that my wife's a dancer,
and I know why, you know. I I've always been
fascinated by dancers. And it's not only because of dance,
it's also because, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
So you didn't want to be a centaur center when
you grew up Center Clause. I read from my from
one of my slightly surprising fats off the Internet about you.
I found out that, yeah, one of your credits is
center Clause.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Oh yes, which is a fantastic show called kiff On
for Disney. Yeah, it is a an a minute show.
So they have this this guy who I think it
called it Halfway Festival or something. He sort of celebrates
in the summer, and he's called center Claus instead of
(02:32):
Santa Claus. And he is just a great, great, sort
of wonderfully weird version of a summary Santa Claus.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
That's a great half clause half center in the summer.
Love it, absolutely love it. What was your surprising fats
off the internet?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Emily, Well, my fact is that you have done several
audio books, and as an audiobook enthusiast, it makes a
huge difference who's narrating to me, and given some of
the parts you've played like that are kind of scary,
you wouldn't think that you have a soothing voice, but
(03:11):
you have a very soothing voice.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I'm wondering if you if you agree, or if if like,
what what makes you think you're a good audiobook person?
Because I think you're really great?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Ah wow. First of all, like most of the parts,
like I'm better known in Iceland by playing like really
nice people. I think most of my parts here have
been really nice and sort of upstanding police, but at
good people. And then anytime I go abroad I play
these usually pretty horrible men.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
What does that say about us? I want?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I mean, I think it's fantastic. I really really enjoy it.
I think that's a great part of being an actor.
And I feel really privileged that I have gotten to
play so many you know, comedic comedic parts, or dramatic parts,
or superbly scary parts. I think that's a great thing
(04:10):
when it comes to audiobooks, because I agree with you,
like I the reader can have such a huge effect
on how you sort of experience the book, and you
know that can be to a great effect. I don't
know if you've ever heard or listen to Kevin Barry
A Night out of Tangier. Oh my God, like I could.
(04:31):
I could listen to that man just for the rest
of my life. I'll repeat and then, you know, there
are other books that have kind of been ruined because
for me, especially like I tend not to like when
it's being over dramatized, you know, yeah, and all the
women talk like this, I just can't listen to it.
(04:55):
It just doesn't work for me. So I don't know.
I try to do a good job, but I also
I probably underwhelm when it comes to reading audiobooks. Very often.
I'm like in the same tone.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
But that's good because my mom and I we were
driving for some reason across several states, and we we
were like, we're gonna listen to an audiobook, and we
chose an Agatha Christie book, which is inherently like if
you drift off for ten seconds, you're lost. And I
think whoever the publisher was was like, let's get someone
(05:30):
like Sorry Haley, who is so stereotypically British that like
they over and it was like and so we were
in the car driving and we'd be and then like
the GPS would go off and you'd be like.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Like we.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So it's I think it's better to be calm and
you know, not trying to overdo it because you can't
see the person, so it's not even like the performance
is you know, we can't see what's going on.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, this is true. I always once listening to the
audio book of the book's song Bird Song, Sorry Sebastian folks,
and it's got some really raunchy bits in it. And
I was going across the Humber Bridge, which is a
big old bridge in the north of England, and I
came to the toll where you have to pay your money,
(06:21):
and as I came to the toll, this very vivid
description of this very rude scene and yeah, he just
didn't know where to look or bless him. Yes, so yeah,
be careful with the audio. Have you ever had to
do one of those adcinerate and intimatecy.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I have never. There was there is a writer who
has written a bit of erotica here in Iceland who
asked me to read her stories that I asked my
wife and she was like maybe not and I was like, okay,
no problem.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
We're ten minutes into the interview and we're already talking
about erotica. I know, I know, I'm gonna oh, sorry, no,
I had to.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I had a segue. I had a segue. It naturally
went Emily.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Well, do you mind if I throw in one last
fact because I have to it so sorry. Our listeners
are probably gonna turn this off when I say this,
but I have a weird obsession with Sack Woods. I'd
say no, absolutely, I saw wait, okay, listen, Hailey, I
(07:35):
have to say this. I saw the other day you
shared one of his videos on your Instagram. Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
You're let me look him up. I don't really know
who that is.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Oh my god, Sacks.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I mean Sack Wots. Oh my god. Yes, I'm sorry.
One of the funniest people alive.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Dumb it.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I'm trying to make this go away.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
You know, I've been trying to get him on this
podcast for a year and a half, and every time
there's any connection to Zach Woods with a guest, I'm like, so,
what do you what's your opinion? Like, do you have
a so I just I saw that and I was like.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yes, I find him to be screeningly funny, and I
love his very long, ironic sort of where it seems
to be cheering on someone or something and it just
goes on and on, and I just love it. I
think it's really good.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
This was sorry, It's fine, It's fine. He's a very
funny guy. I'll give him it. I am expected level
of stalking.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
No, but see, it's one of those things where like
I've forgotten how this started.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I know I can't remember either.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I can't remember how we started this. I've never listened,
I've not I just think he is so brilliant and
he's a character of himself and I love that, and
so any chance to discuss his comedy, I'm gonna take it.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I mean, he he on a show like The Office
is just I mean, it's just screamingly funny, and it
just seems to be a person that has a very
easy sort of way of taking the pits of himself.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, in the way.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
And if you usually those are the funniest people.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
If you, I don't know if you have this show
in Iceland, but if you have access to the Peacock
show that he did called in the No, it's it's
a claymation I have seen that it's on Peacock here,
which the office is also on its like NBC's streaming up.
But it's it's he plays an MPR host, and it's
(09:47):
all claimation, and the interviews with the celebrities that the
MPR host does are all improvised and it's the actual
celebrity fantastic, So please.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
A little bit between two ferns is probably one of
the things.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
You know, it's in that mean.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Those interviews, Oh god, that they exist.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yes, exactly, it's the it's the inherent silliness that I
wish there was more of on the internet. Anyway, Haley,
would you like it? Like Hailey, listen, we cleaned it
up a couple of minutes. You can move us on.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I just it was totally worth I enjoyed it. I enjoyed.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I was gonna I was going to take.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
You on from kind of sexy scenes in third song
to you being like this almost unlikely sex symbol and
trapped because like it was trapped the show that like
launched your career.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I mean, my career has been been a really funny career.
So I started. I graduated from the drama school here
in Iceland, twenty seven years ago something like that. And
for the first ten years I just did a lot
of theater. I did a few films. I graduated from
college and from the drama school in ninety eight, and
(11:28):
then I did about two or three films right after
I graduated, and then I didn't do any films for
like five years. And Iceland is such a small place
that I've been doing a lot of theater and there
were no agents. So after having not done any film
for I think three or four years, I just decided
to reach out to all the film directors that got
(11:49):
a grant from the Icelandic Film Fund Amazing, and it
was one of it was just a great move. It
It was really good, not only just to reach out
to someone, but it was really good to sort of
take control a little bit of your own career. And
so I, you know, there's there's ego to everything we do.
(12:11):
And I remember I was sort of debating whether or
not to call people and you know, what could be
the downside, and my, you know, my my sort of
conclusion was that the most difficult thing that any one
could say was like, no, I don't want to see you.
I don't want to audition you. So the upside was
(12:32):
much bigger than the downside would ever be. So I
basically called I think five directors. Three of them were
incredibly nice. One of them was kind of like, you know,
I don't know when I'm doing my film, and one
of them I had worked with before, and he said like,
if you call me in two weeks, then I'll start casting.
(12:52):
And I remember I was like, if he doesn't remember
this phone call in two weeks, then maybe you know. Yeah.
But sure enough, funnily enough, I called these directors and
one of them I just loved this. So basically I
talked to him and he told me, well, I'm making
this movie, but I'm very sorry, man, it's only I
only have female parts, so I don't have any men.
(13:15):
I don't need any men. So and I just said,
like you I'll do anything, like I'll be a face
in a window, you know, a footstep in the background
or whatever, and I don't mind the audition or self
tape or whatever you want. And sure enough he called
me a week later and said, you know, when you
called I, you know I have a part, but when
(13:36):
you called, I had never thought of you for that part.
But since you called I can't think of anyone else,
and beautifully enough, that was with el Malisa, who I
I've done a few films with and playing her boyfriend,
and it was that was kind of a different part
for me. So I think I've lucked out many times
with stuff like that that directors have been willing to
(13:56):
cast me sort of against type or sort of trusted
me with something that under sort of normal circumstances they
would have cast someone else. And I think Trapped is
is you know, part of that. I think traditionally would
have been a handsome like you know, uh, a properly handsome,
(14:22):
but you know what I mean, like traditionally like you know, yeah,
a Brad Pitt or something. I don't know those guys are,
but anyway, Like, yeah, so I've I've been really lucky
with that and I think trapped. Trapped was a huge
thing for me in my career. But I was already
kind of working. I'd worked a lot in the theater. Yeah,
(14:44):
and I kind of lucked out at the same time
because I did I auditioned for Walter Mitty Secret Live,
WALTI Midy, and I had sort of started my American
career maybe a year or two before Trap app so
everything was kind of coming out as Trapped was coming out,
(15:05):
and they did Walter Midi and two Detective and other things, So, yeah,
this is a lucky Samva bitch.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Is it looking out though? Or is it no? Is
it getting yourself in front of the right It's like
treating it like a business almost and like doing the
networking work and not expecting it to just come to you.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
I think, you know, that was part of we have
agents here in Iceland now, and I certainly have great
a great agent in London and a wonderful manager in
la and those people I count on them for everything.
But here in Iceland it was kind of just part
of having to grow up almost, like you know, I
(15:45):
remember every actor I knew was in trouble with their taxes,
you know, because you start working and you get all
the boddy, You're like, oh my god, you get so
much money, and then you realize a year later that
the taxman actually wanted half of that. And most of
my friends were like, I get a bankload. So I
(16:07):
remember that was something I was like, Okay, now I'm
just going to take this in hand and learn about
how and where to do by taxes and all that stuff.
It's just I'm weird with stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
You know, that's not a bad thing to be on
top of your.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Taxits no, no, but I think it's also I think
it's really important for an actor to be sort of
in the driver's seat of his own career. And it
took me a while to figure that out. I was
working for a theater here in Iceland, which I thought
I would work for for ten fifteen years, and they
fired me after two years because they were cutting back,
(16:47):
but also because I wasn't happy. I've been hired as
a part of an ensemble and it just wasn't an
ensemble theater. So you know, I was happy to play
the small parts and do all that stuff. But anytime
there was a bigger part that came along, the theater
so went outside of the you know, the the ensemble
(17:08):
and would hire a star or someone with a bigger name.
That's so frustrating, it really was. So in the end,
that's one of the best things that ever happened to me.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I bet the kicking themselves now.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I mean, it's island, we all know each other so well.
But yeah, it was interesting because I when I I
remember when I graduated from drama school, I had set
myself a goal, which was one of my favorite Icelandic
actors is In Garson, Who's who's just incredibly like a
phenomenally talented actor and a great person. And I remember
(17:45):
he was sort of a position where I would when
I was graduating that he could kind of pick and
choose what he wanted to do. And I remember I
was like, I'm gonna in four years time, that's going
to be me. And sure enough, in four years time,
I got fired. And I remember for like a week
that was like, so what am I going to do?
Like I might's gonna not be an actor anymore, or
(18:07):
I'm going to do do something else. But that was
a really good kick in the butt. That was like, okay,
so now I just have to I can't put my
trust in anyone else, no one. No one will ever
be more interested in me or my career than myself,
no one. So you have to you have to be
(18:27):
awake when you want to and make your own decisions.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, so true, so true.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I was just thinking about when you were saying earlier
about having more comedic roles. There one of the funniest
one of the funniest moments of season two of seven's
which I told you I was. I was at the
event here in New Jersey a few weekends ago, and
Stephen Colbert said, the same thing is when you get shot.
(18:58):
And there's a couple of moments too, where when when
you say the thing about the guy wearing the sweater, Like,
there's very comedic moments where like I'm laughing out loud
and you're like bleeding to death, and I'm like, I'm conflicted.
So was it Is it like a decision to make
(19:23):
it comical or is it just the ridiculousness of the
situation that makes it funny? Do you think or are
you in your head as an actor, going I'm gonna
make this moment funny.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
No. I think that's such an interesting question because, I mean,
so much drama, so much comedy comes from drama. I think,
you know, I I you know when you think about
the just the first episode of Friends is basically Ross
finding out that his wife is a lesbian and she's
(19:58):
pregnant with his baby, and she you know, she's leaving
him for a woman, which is, you know, in essence,
a very dramatic thing. Doesn't matter if she's a lesbian
or anything like that. But just anyone leaving you, and
you know, especially if they're having your baby. You know,
that's a dramatic thing. And I think usually, at least
(20:21):
for me, the funniest things aren't really played very comical,
they're played very serious. I have a very British sense
of humor. I think a British sort of dry ironic. Yes,
Minister of Humor is just something I find so funny.
Toast of London is one of my favorite things of
all time.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Tim's Oh is he really? Yeah? Tim Down He's been
on our show. He's in that show as well.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
But I mean that is for anyone who wants to
much interesting, like funny British stuff, Toast of London with
Matt Berry is just one of the funniest things you'll find.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Kind of ball, isn't he He really is?
Speaker 3 (21:04):
And just I think because now people know him because
of what we do in the Shadows, But when you
look at his career, like he was doing his stuff
for such a long time just under the radar, I
mean funny, but I don't think people were. I remember
that someone did an interview show with him here in Iceland.
(21:26):
I had no idea who he was. I'm bummed now
that I wasn't just there to hold the camera or something. Yeah,
but I think, yeah, yeah, To answer your question, I
don't think. Yeah, I don't think, especially with the gun
I'm getting shot. I've never thought of it would be funny.
(21:49):
I never thought. I never thought it would be sad.
I mean, even me, I'm kind of glad that mister
Drummond just goes away. I'm terrified of him, Like I'm
be that that happens.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I mean, he's very scary, except he has the most
gen z feminine tattoo on his hand, you know, like
Frolic is. Like I get that it's supposed to be scary,
but I'm like, I see this on Pinterest, like not
the exactly, but a lot of girls are getting like
like you know, baby girl on their hand and I'm like,
(22:22):
mister Drummond's just not like Frolic And I'm like, have
you has any have any fans like gotten this tattoo
and showed it to you?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Oh? I not not that I've seen No.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Okay, No, I'm good with the hands. I'm going to
keep my hands as as is. But I just I
just find that so funny because it was like they
zoom in and it's supposed to be like this meant
and I'm like that.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
So do you guys have tattoos?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I do?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Really does two?
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:52):
I have nothing. I've always it's always been for me.
It's been like, you know, being an actor, especially back
in the day, like that was like a big note
for actors. But now I meet actors that are just
covered in tattoos, which I think is terrifying.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I started getting one removed and then it got too expensive,
so I have like two and a half.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Did you have like one ona forever or something like that.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
No, I got one when I was nineteen and I
was like an adult and it's so it's just and
the tattoo artist was like, hey, like, FYI in like
a few years, is going to be a blob. And
I was like, you don't understand my vision. And now
it's a blob. Okay, So that's the story. It'll be
gone someday, but not yet.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah. Poor makeup department are always like everything I work on,
they always seem to be like rubbing out people's tattoos
before they go on. Yeah, it takes ages and It's.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Also I think you have to get permission, right, do
you have to get permission from the artist if you're
going to use the tattoos changed.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Oh, it's easier just to cover everything than it is
it through legal.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I didn't know that. I was working on a show
once and one of the actors got a tattoo like
over the weekend, and boy was it a long production
meeting because they couldn't cover it because it was over
the weekend.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Oh, he was.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Inrouble. The way people act when it's like their first
thing they've ever gotten. It's like, I feel like young
actors sometimes are like I'm untouchable, and then it's like
not exactly.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I remember one of my colleagues who shaved. He thought
he was finished. He had one scene left shoe. Oh no,
that was a tough met and they had like a
full beard like me, Like, I was like, how are
we going to fake this? It's one seed? That's crazy,
Oh my god. I mean in the end, the director,
(25:02):
I remember the director was he was pissed and he
was just like, well just shoot it from here. And
strange really, but they fixed it and end the film
came out. No one noticed, so.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Wow, when when you're when you are filming those scenes
that are that I find funny, that are maybe not
supposed to be. Did you ever break like in like
in you see Friends bloopers, everyone's breaking, Like are you
and Gwendolen like laughing when you're like doing this or
is it all just very serious?
Speaker 3 (25:40):
The whole time, I was just kind of so star
struck on that show. I mean, I love Adam. I
think Adam is such a great guy, like gwen An
absolutely adore and I'm like, you know, all these wonderful,
incredible people and and just really professional. So I mean
(26:03):
it's kind of weird, like I felt like I really
enjoyed it and and it was it wasn't you know,
stressful in that way. But at the same time, I
remember it's just really and also you know the fact
that I hit or Adam and you know, Adam pushed
Adam into the wall. That didn't really help with like,
oh this is fantastic. Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Concussing the Star, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Concussing the Star and and then having two days left
of the fight scene was not my best moment. But
but no, no, I I I mean, I I just
remember talking about me and Adam in the in the elevator,
we kept talking about old films stuff like that. It
was nice. It was I really loved being on Severance
(26:48):
and and you know, the the cast is such it's
just such good people, great actors but also good people,
just like becoming a part of a family.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, it was crazy that that day I found out
about they didn't announce that that whole thing was happening,
although I'm not important enough online to be invited, so
I was in the the standing room only thing. I
found out about it at three o'clock. I was standing
by four point thirty and it didn't start until seventh.
(27:20):
So it was like me and like one hundred people
are all like we're all standing surrounding it and everyone
the whole time. No one's like on their phone. Everyone
was just like like ready to go. And I think
that just speaks to the power of the whole cast
is everyone's like who's gonna be And when I saw
that you were there and like Sarah was there, I
(27:42):
was like, great, everybody is here. Like I was excited
to hear more points of view, not that I wasn't,
like I always want to hear from Ben and Adam
and you know, but then Theodore's Theodore walks out and
you're just like, what the heck is going on? So yeah,
it was. It was a huge treete and and everybody
(28:04):
there was just like so thrilled, even though we've been
standing there for many hours.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yeah, I mean it felt for me like also just
so you know, like for the actors, for us, it's
kind of special too, especially when you're working in TV.
Like usually you don't need a lot of the audience
when you do film. You know, usually at least you
have like premieres and stuff, so you meet them a
(28:30):
little bit. But but for me, this is hasn't happened often,
and it was just incredibly special to see also how
much Apple loves the show. And also you know just
how much they've put into creating this environment of people,
to sort of submersive environment where you can experience the show.
(28:50):
And I remember when I walked in at the woman,
the actress who was lying on the table like like
like writ her character is and Helly is is in
the first episode of season one. She was there for
like four hours lying on that table, Like I was
completely blown away with that. But that was it was
(29:13):
it was an incredible event event and also in that
that beautiful building.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I really love that love Bell Works. I usually I
go there quite quite a bit because they have a
wonderful farmers market. They have like salted dancing classes and
trivia nights and like it's a really fun place. So
the fact that then I got I went back the
next day because yeah, the photo ops and and things
(29:40):
like that, but yeah, it's a really beautiful How how
did you like New Jersey Out.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Of I haven't spent much time in New Jersey. I
was in Holmdale and that's about it for me. But
a lot of the people, of course, when you work
in the film industry in New York, a lot of
the people either come from New Jersey or live in
New Jersey, and it just seems like it's a really
(30:05):
nice place. So it's like a little bit like suburbia.
Uh that's where representation of it.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah, I mean it's very it's a lot. So I
was in LA for ten years and I just moved
back here a little under a year ago. Netflix announced
that they were they're making sound stages like ten minutes
from where I'm from, and I was like, I'm out
of California, so I really like it, Like there's kids
(30:34):
riding bikes and birds and things like that, orreas in
La I didn't want to go outside because I was
too afraid of where I lived. So I think it's nice.
And then of course I learned that Lumen is ten
minutes away from me too, so that that really was
it like a perk?
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah you based, Hailey, I'm in Leeds in the UK.
I'm in the north of England, but yeah, I uh,
I travel around quite a bit for work, but I
don't get to New Jersey very often.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
I wish I wish I did.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, I totally wish I did. But yeah, yeah, I'm
hearing slightly cold England. I would like it to be
a bit warmer, but but yeah, I'm just freezing here
in my little office.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
I was just going to ask, and I'm so serious
when I say, this is going to make me sound
like an idiot. Is everyone ready?
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Is Iceland as cold as it sounds?
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I want to say, No, Iceland's a weird place because
we get the golf stream from the Caribbean.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Okay, yeah, I mean it's it's.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Not like the Caribbean up here. But that so we
keep to temperate yea, yeah, if it were. There are
places in Siberia that are the same latitude longitude latitude.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I think latitude.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
They are so much colder in winter and so much
hotter in summer. So but Iceland stays really kind of
you know, it never gets really warm, never gets really cold.
Like a cold winter day in New York is for
me like a crazy cold day. Wow, because it's not
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humid here. They're no mosquitoes. There's it's a really kind
of weird place. There are no mosquitoes in Iceland.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
So fashionable over here to go to Iceland, it's like
it's the very first to go to recunc.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
But it's called Iceland because Iceland was settled by Norwegian
vikings back in the ninth century. And the story goes
that they named it Iceland to kind of put off
the interest of the Norwegian king.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
It works on me.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
And then one of them or a few of the
moved further on and went to a place called Greenland,
which is not very green, kind of icy, for the
same reason they wanted more people to come. That's how
the story goes.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Anyway, I love that I did not know that I
feel like we're covering a lot of topics. Yeah, I
wanted to ask a really stupid question about Ben still
at like with the sorry, I'm just kind of going
off on one, I'm going back to Severance. So like
with with Walter Mitty obviously and then Severance, was that
(33:32):
like a direct cut across did Ben's still just go Yes,
it's him.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
I've just been I mean I met Ben on Walter Emody.
I auditioned first. I taped for the role and Rachel Tennor,
who was the wonderful casting director on Severance but also
on Walter Emidy and basically on everything that Ben does
and has done for years. This is so random. I
(34:02):
had done one film in the US called Contraband, which
was a remake and remake of an Islandic film with
Mark Wahlberg. And on that film, I my costume designer.
Her name is Jenny. She turned out to be Rachel
Tenner's best friend.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
So when Rachel comes to Iceland, Rachel's like, okay, you know,
I know, you know Jenny. We both love Jenny. I'm
going to help you get this part. And we do
this beautiful audition. She's so patient, so just so giving
and great to me. But honestly, after even after having
that help, I was like, there's not no way in
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hell I'm ever getting this part. You know, I was
a local Icelandic actor. This is one of the best
parts anyone has ever written on film, I think. And
then you know, I met Ben later on, maybe a
month later, auditioned with him in the room room, had
to fight him, remember going like Ben kept saying, because Ben,
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you know, he is a tough guy. Like he he
is just such a he's just such a presence, and
he's just like, okay, we have to fight, so just
lay into me. And I'm like, okay, you know, and
it's Ben Stiller, like I love it, Like I don't
want to I don't want to do I don't want
to do that. But anyway, weirdly I got the part,
(35:30):
and then me and Ben just kind of kept in
touch and became good friends. I got to do this
incredible scene in Zuelander two, which was absolutely insane. It's
so much fun. Uh, And I remember there was discussions
of me doing something in Escape at Anymore, and I
was sadly busy I was shooting something so I couldn't
(35:54):
make it, and then you know, Ben reached out and
they offered me this part. And it's also just to
get to be part of something that you kind of love.
And I really loved the first season of Severance and
I know it it was such a labor of love
for Ben. I remember, you know, all the COVID pauses,
(36:16):
and it was just a really tough thing to do.
And I think, you know, for the cast and everyone involved,
to do two seasons in five years has not been
easy or fun. But what is great about it is
that when you watch it and you see the quality
that's gone into it, you can kind of forgive that
someone would take their time to do something that looks
(36:38):
just so incredible.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah, Chef's kiss. Everything's perfect about it, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
So basically it's all it's all click, Like I just
got the part because I know, no.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Bad, you're selling yourself short at every turn meet other people.
And then the person's like, so, you know.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Absolutely bad, But I I you know, honestly, like you're right.
I do talk a lot about luck. But of course
you have to work, work really hard, and you have
to be a nice person. You have to be you know,
you have to be willing to go far and do stuff,
and you can't complain too much, and you have to
be thankful for every role you get because it's not, uh,
(37:28):
you know, why you instead of someone else. But I
do talk about luck because it's just a factor in
what we do, sadly, because I know so many incredibly
talented people that you know, they that should have been
the biggest stars in the world, but they were just not,
you know, not there at the right time for the
(37:50):
right part. And I know because I've also worked on
the other side of the camera, and I know the
stupendously tiny details that go into one person getting apart
and the other person doesn't. And usually we don't hear
those things, so for us, you know, it's different for everyone,
but it could be just such a rejection not to
(38:13):
get something, especially when you've gotten far into the process. Yeah,
and you know, and honestly, sometimes it's just it's tiny,
nothing detail and.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
You just like, we'll pick him, you won't pick him.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
It's it must be so hard to not kind of
get like when you don't get it, to not get
into the zone of I'm not very good, even though
it's clearly not that it's just something it's it's just
something that they're looking for that is better in the
other person. It must be so difficult.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
I mean, I think I have I have a great
story of I think both versions of this. I remember,
you remember there was a film that Will Smith did
called Focus Yes, And there's a wonderful, wonderful actor in
New York, Adrian Martinez, and I think he plays the
(39:13):
part that I was kind of up for in that film.
And I remember I flew they flew me from Iceland
to New York to audition for the for the for
the directors, and the directors hadn't seen me in Walter
Mittie and they were so you know, enthusiastic about getting
me to audition. And you know, even I even one
(39:35):
of my friends was staying at the same hotel as them,
met them in the bar and they were like, oh
my god, we're seeing Dona tomorrow. We can't wait. He's
so incredible. And I turn up and I absolutely shot
the bed. I was like, I have the worst worst
auditioning day, just one of those days where you just
you're not I'm just not able to get to do anything.
(39:57):
I was just like I was like a log about it.
I just could not I couldn't leave the tracks and
it was but it was kind of a it was
kind of a fabulous thing. Of course I didn't get
the part, but then I remember I left. I left
that casting director was the first time I'd ever met
(40:18):
that casting director, and I really felt like I just
was so bad. And I got a call from my
agent the next day and it seemed the same casting
director was casting a pilot that Jonathan Demi was going
to direct, and he was like my agent was like,
they were like, ah, we kind of don't know which
(40:40):
part he might be right for, so it's just going
to send you all the parts. And it was like
twenty two pages of dialogue. It was four different parts.
And I had one day and I was just like
I tried to learn everything I could, and then I
go back to the same casting director into that same room,
but now with you know, another director and the writer
(41:02):
as well, Blake Masters who wrote the pilot, and Jonathan Demi,
and that's just one of them. I remember, if I'm
ever proud of anything, I was really proud of that
day because I managed to just throw that older audition
just out the window and I did my hardest you know,
(41:23):
to to know the lines and play the characters a
little differently but still be honest and truthful. And I
kid you not. I walked out of that audition room
and my agent called me in like thirty minutes It said, okay,
so basically we knew you weren't right for any of
those parts, but Jonathan, Demi and Blake are going to
(41:44):
write a part for you. Wow, they had a part,
but they're going to turn it into a series regular
and they're just gonna have you with them. And you know,
sadly the pilot was never picked up, but we did
get to shoot it. But I think, you know, it's
sort of like I saw this wonderful interview with the
guy who won the Masters yesterday, Rory matt Roy, Rory McRoy,
(42:10):
and it was really interesting because he was saying the
same thing like he you know, this has been him
winning that tournament, has been coming for something like fourteen years,
and you know, and on the eleventh or thirteenth hole
or something, he put his ball into the water, and
it would have been such a typical thing for him
(42:32):
or anyone to go like, oh okay, now, it's just
I'm not going to win this like it's gone, and
he said, like, if there's anything I'm proud of, it's
the fact that I actually managed to do that. But
also then just pick up my game and just continue
and not focus too much on that happening. And I
think that's very much how an actor has to look
(42:52):
at his or any artist for that matter, has to
look at his career. You will have the worst days.
There will be moments where you goof up or you know,
you mess up the set, or you burn the set down,
or something happens. You know, you have like Peter Sellers
at the party, you blow up a million dollar set
(43:14):
before they start filming. But then you know you have
to move on. You have to be able to tell
yourself that that was just one day, and you know
if you if you work hard, you will you will
be able to come back and do better.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
That was fantastic because you don't even know this, but
we were going to move you into a section about
telling a story that is exactly what you just did.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
That was amazing.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
We have never sometimes we have days where we're like
really great with segues. We didn't even need a segue,
which is a first.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Oh that's good. Maybe it's just because I talk a lot.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
No. I know that was great because I don't know
if you well, no, probably not. But when you started,
I was like, okay, good.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
I was just trying to really covertly message you, Emily.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
I really skipped the story.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
I was wrong in the story that I've not even
paying attention to the notes.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
I was like, I can't skip the story because I
haven't talked about Eurovision yet.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Ahead, Haley, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
I love that film.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
You you are not the only one. So many people
love that film.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
I love it. I love how dead pan you are
in it. You're such a good foil to all like,
I just are you a Eurovision fan?
Speaker 3 (44:40):
I actually I'm not. My family absolutely loves your vision.
I could probably if I had Graham Norton, I would probably.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
That's part of it because he makes.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
So much fun of it.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Yeah, But but I have to I have to admit
that I became a bigger fan after being in that film.
And I also I'm also very proud of that film.
I think that film is so good, and I know
it means a lot of people, but I also think
because Eurovision is a it can be a very camp thing. Yes,
(45:16):
and it would be so much, so easy just to
make fun of it. But I think what the film
really does well. It does make fun of it, of
course it does, but it also elevates it. It also
respects it, and it also kind of puts it on
a pedestal. And I think, I mean, Eurovision is a
kind of unique thing where you have all these nations
(45:38):
that come together and even like I love that the
Australians are now part of Eurovision because they they were
just such big fans and in the end, soone was like, oh,
bring Australia board. The only thing they can't win because
then everyone has to leave Europe to go to Australia.
But yeah, no, no, I love that film. And Will
(45:59):
Ferrell and Rachel mcaarran's just and Dan Stevens, Oh yeah, damn.
I work with Dan on a very serious film Walk
Up on the Tombstones. But he just he owns Eurovision,
he owns that phone.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
It's just I just think it's the perfect I just
think it's so well crafted, is it. I agree, it's
a movie, and it just it walks, like you say,
it walks that line between taking the mic and taking
it very seriously, just so well, and Yaya ding Dong
is always somewhere in my head.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
No, and and you know, Hanna's only who is the
Yaya ding Dong man. It's just one of the sweetest
people you could ever meet on this planet, a great actor.
And I have like fourteen times senter a message on Instagram.
Please can I ask you to do yeah Ya ding
Dong for one of my friends. And it makes me
(46:58):
so happy that I have someone that my life that
I could just sort of call up ask for that.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Oh my gosh, I love it.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
I love it. I've got the I've got the playlist,
I've got it on my running playlist, all the songs
from the Origin movie I'm So Sad, a couple of
that film.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
We're moving on to asking you what your definition is
either in career or life or a mix of both,
of making it Like, what does that phrase mean to you?
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Oh? Wow, I think making it in life is for
me personally, and it's a really boring answer. But having kids, Oh,
I really honestly felt that. As soon as my first
daughter came into the world, I realized why I'm on
(48:00):
the planet. And now you know, I have two daughters
and I absolutely love them. And they basically make my
life interesting. And and I think that making it is
to you know, have kids and make sure that they
(48:21):
grow up safe and as safe as you can make
them and as happy as you can help them be,
and help them grow up to be good people. I
think that's making it hive, doesn't it. I I really,
I mean in a way where I wouldn't have believed it.
(48:41):
And I know it sounds like, you know, it sounds
like a line or something, but it really, honestly is
that way. It's just it's also so good for an actor.
It's so good to shift the focus from yourself onto
someone else. And I mean that with honesty. Being an actor,
(49:02):
I find it's always there's always a struggle with ego,
and and I understand why because I think you cannot
be an artist without ego. There it's just ego is
part of the driving force that makes us do anything.
And for you to want to do well as an artist,
(49:24):
you have to have ego. But it's a constant battle
because you know, I think find egotistical people to be
just you know, the biggest turn off I know. So
it's you have to have the right blend. I think
of of having ego and having belief in yourself and
being proud of when you do well, but also being
(49:46):
able to be honest of when you don't do well.
And and I don't know any artists who just does
well to be to be.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Honest, absolutely, and I like that when we've not had that.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Yet, No nobody's loved their case.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
I guess, am I fucking this up, guys.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
I don't know if you notice, but when we were
talking about Eurovision, my littlest one came behind this screen.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
Oh I didn't see that, and.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
I just saw him and I was like, and then
and then my husband came and took him away.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Do you remember that incredible what was the CN interview? Yes,
it is like the best sketch of all time. It's
just like the funniest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (50:33):
Everybody's reaction to it as well.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
It's just incredible, but.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
Also just such a real life event, like you know,
bye bye by older. My younger brother had his son
here today who's eighteen months old and just you know,
running on everything, jumping off everything. And my brother is
just like I said, so he's making you older. And
my brother's like, in some ways he's Yeah, he's destroying
(50:59):
my life. But in some way, I'm also younger in
a way where I'm now actively jumping to save lives
like every three seconds. So it makes me happy. Kids
are awesome.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Oh I don't have any, but I'm just living.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
I wish you lived closer to me, Emily, so you
can look after her.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
I know, I know. That's what I say all the time.
I love being an aunt. And then you're like, well,
I'm gonna leave.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
I'm always messaging Emily saying how can I stop these
from becoming assholes?
Speaker 4 (51:36):
Yes? Do you know when you feel like you're.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
Messing it up all of the time, like you're always
I'm always worried that I'm causing some kind of trauma
that I don't know about or something, you know.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
But I mean that's I think that's how it is.
And life is so unpredictable. Yeah, and you know, and
you know people that have gone through the most horrible
childhoods that have grown up to be great people and
vice versa. And I think what you have to do,
it's just you do your best, and you know that's
(52:10):
that's anything anyone can ask, That's just that's how it is.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
Haley's a great mom, So I don't.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
It's it.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
Is is, how do you guys know each other?
Speaker 1 (52:29):
You are the first person to ask us that. I'm
just realizing nobody's ever asked us that we met. So okay,
I'll tell the story much like you, Dari, I am
a cold email fiend. I'm like, nobody's gonna knock on
my door and smell my potential, so therefore I have
to tell everybody about it. So I was just firing
(52:51):
off messages on LinkedIn, and Haley was one of the
unfortunate recipients. And then three months later she replied, and
then we got.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
On Yeah, I was gonna say that says more about
LinkedIn than it does about Haley.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
No, I think. I think I messaged you again three
months later. I have ane, I have my schedule of
like here's who I've poked, and they haven't turned around,
and and so uh, then we got on a FaceTime
call and I've not stopped messaging her in the three
four years since then.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
Crazy times. Yeah, it's an outfit for LinkedIn. If nothing else,
they have linked sponsorship.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
I don't know. But then, but then Haley and I
were working at Warner Brothers in different countries, and so
we kind of bonded over talking about working for the
you know, in the same world. Right, Oh my gosh,
like half half the people were working in the building
next to mine and then the other half were working
in Haley's building, no joke, and so it was just
(54:00):
you know anyway, So yes, yes, that's.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
How people together.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
We've yeah, we've met in person one time two years ago.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
Where did you meet?
Speaker 1 (54:13):
I went to London?
Speaker 3 (54:15):
Okay, yeah, yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
We went to see Hans Zimmer.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
We did go to see Hans Zimmer.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Yes, very cool.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
It was you know, it was I could go on
for so long. He is such an interesting fellow. My
favorite story is at one point he came out with
his leather jacket tucked into his pants.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
It's beautiful, but.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
You know what, there need to be a little bit
dorky if you're a composer, So the leather jacket had
to be canceled out bikes. Anyway, if this.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
Was to become a book and your episode was a
chapter title, what would your chapter be called?
Speaker 4 (55:12):
Chapter title?
Speaker 2 (55:13):
That sums up your career so far?
Speaker 3 (55:15):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (55:15):
Wow, would you like examples for examples?
Speaker 3 (55:18):
Yeah, that would be great.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
Okay, so most people's chapter titles are about freaking out
about job stability. We've had, we've we've had a variety.
We've had I'm scared, please hire me. We've had Please
tell me the catering's good. One person has been calm.
That was Donnie Wahlberg. Was the only relaxed chapter title
we've had.
Speaker 3 (55:39):
I think my kind of my reaction to I had
my first sort of filming job outside of Iceland was
a very well. I was told that very very low
budget TV film called ten sixty six, and I was
of course playing a viking in that obviously, And I
(56:01):
remember I came to set and saw the catering and thoughted,
this is not a low budget film, like having having
worked in Iceland, where you just basically you get fed
a pizza out of the back of the vat if
you're lucky, and that's lunch. But I remember that. That
(56:22):
was my reaction. I was like, this is not a
low budget thing. They are all this food and stuff.
That was fun. I think that, but this is not
a This can't be a low budget This can't be
a low budget project or something like that that would
be that would be it.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
No, I like it, though I like the meeting behind.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
It because you you can you can tell, Yeah, you
can tell Haley's gotten food poisoning off of the.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
Oh God, off the cake. Can I tell you by
my food poisoning story, it's oh God, guys. I was shooting.
I was shooting the TV in South Africa in Cape Town,
and we were shooting during the day and then we
were taking the Red Eye from Cape Town to Amsterdam,
(57:13):
and so we're shooting in the morning, shooting I think
a love scene or something, at least I was. There
was a kiss involved and we were in bed or something,
and I remember I was thinking, like, I'm not gonna
have like a big meal. I'm just gonna have a
I'll have a salad. And remembering that, I thought like
my wife would be so proud of me. And I
(57:35):
had the salad. But I don't know who washed that
salad or if they didn't. But it's really, I mean,
it's this is just such a funny story, because it's
horrible but funny. So we wrap at like five, and
we're the plane is supposed to leave at like nine
in the evening, and we wrap at five. I go
(57:57):
to the hotel, I pack, and I'm like, think a
bit strange in my stomach, what's going on? And then
go to the shuttle, go to the airport. And then
slowly as I walk into the airport, I start realizing
that I am not well. Oh no, and I go
to security, put my backpack, walk through, and I remember
(58:23):
this guy saying to me, like this security guy saying, well,
we have to re run your backpack. And I was like, yeah,
that's fine. Yeah, no, there's a garbage can. And then
I just walked to the garbage can and you know,
got rid of that salad and a lot of other stuff.
And for the next the flight was late three hours.
(58:44):
Oh thankfully.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
It's going to say, isn't that a good That might
be a good day.
Speaker 3 (58:49):
I was in the lounge and think with you know,
flying business. So I was in the lounge hugging a
toilet for something like five hours.
Speaker 2 (59:02):
Oh sad.
Speaker 3 (59:03):
And then I go on the plane and I had,
you know, my producer had asked like would you like
to take the flight tomorrow? And I was like is
that possible? And she was like yes, I think so,
but they don't have any business class seats. And I
remember I was like, there is no way I am
fly on economy tomorrow. Maybe this sick I'm doing that tonight.
But then I got on the plane, told my Stewart
(59:28):
that I was feeling kind of sick, and then slept
for like ten hours thankfully nothing like no problem, and
then landed and everything was fine. But I'm never having
salad again. That was that was my takeaway from this.
You know, that's that's that's the thing that really that
(59:48):
that's the dangerous thing.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
Don't have some Maybe that's an alternate chapter title, I'm
never having sold again, don't have the salad?
Speaker 1 (59:58):
Do you know what that reminded me of? I know
you mentioned the American Office before, but with like doing
a love scene and wanting us sell. This is when
Michael is gonna sleep with Holly for the first time
and they're gonna go get dinner, and he's like, I'm
gonna have something light, maybe soup, thinking.
Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
How much do you love that love story?
Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
So good?
Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
God, I could go this could be a four hour interview.
I don't I don't want to take up any any
more of your time. Helly, have we done it all?
Do you have anything else?
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Ye've done it?
Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
We've done it amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
This is.
Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
So fun. This has been a pleasure. And I'm will
say a goodbye and then I will push stop and
then we'll just wait a second to make sure that
we have everything. So does everyone want to pretend to
say goodbye to each other?
Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Thank you so much, Daddy. I'm going to try and
do it.
Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
I know it's it's just a weird language.
Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
It's like I'm supposed to have a trilling my surname.
Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
I can't even say your last name, Haley, thank you,
thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
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became international best friends who bonded over how hard it
is to find success in the entertainment industry.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Join us and our celebrity co authors as they help
us write the book on how to make.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
It and, more importantly, uncover what making it even means?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
May that made us sound so much more serious than
we actually are?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Should we switch rolls on this this time? Okay, see
that's the intro.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Hi, my name is Olaboratoriolson, and I wanted to be
probably you know, a fireman or a policeman or something.
At the start, we never thought actor.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I think, never really.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Really, Oh what took you down that past?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Then?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
The simple answer is probably best. When I was in college,
I was in a class. There were nineteen girls and
two boys, and I remember the girls were involved in
the theater, so the theater group and they came. They
had had a read through. No boys showed up, so
they asked the boys to join, and I was like, well, yeah,
(01:23):
it can't be all bad, and sure enough I went
and kind of fell in love with it.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
That's a great origin story.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Basically because of girls.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, well that's great.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I think that's a reason why a lot of guys
get into the acting.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
You know, probably I know that my wife's a dancer,
and I know why, you know. I I've always been
fascinated by dancers. And it's not only because of dance,
it's also because, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
So you didn't want to be a centaur center when
you grew up Center Clause. I read from my from
one of my slightly surprising fats off the Internet about you.
I found out that, yeah, one of your credits is
center Clause.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Oh yes, which is a fantastic show called kiff On
for Disney. Yeah, it is a an a minute show.
So they have this this guy who I think it
called it Halfway Festival or something. He sort of celebrates
in the summer, and he's called center Claus instead of
(02:32):
Santa Claus. And he is just a great, great, sort
of wonderfully weird version of a summary Santa Claus.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
That's a great half clause half center in the summer.
Love it, absolutely love it. What was your surprising fats
off the internet?
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Emily, Well, my fact is that you have done several
audio books, and as an audiobook enthusiast, it makes a
huge difference who's narrating to me, and given some of
the parts you've played like that are kind of scary,
you wouldn't think that you have a soothing voice, but
(03:11):
you have a very soothing voice.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I'm wondering if you if you agree, or if if like,
what what makes you think you're a good audiobook person?
Because I think you're really great?
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Ah wow. First of all, like most of the parts,
like I'm better known in Iceland by playing like really
nice people. I think most of my parts here have
been really nice and sort of upstanding police, but at
good people. And then anytime I go abroad I play
these usually pretty horrible men.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
What does that say about us? I want?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I mean, I think it's fantastic. I really really enjoy it.
I think that's a great part of being an actor.
And I feel really privileged that I have gotten to
play so many you know, comedic comedic parts, or dramatic parts,
or superbly scary parts. I think that's a great thing
(04:10):
when it comes to audiobooks, because I agree with you,
like I the reader can have such a huge effect
on how you sort of experience the book, and you
know that can be to a great effect. I don't
know if you've ever heard or listen to Kevin Barry
A Night out of Tangier. Oh my God, like I could.
(04:31):
I could listen to that man just for the rest
of my life. I'll repeat and then, you know, there
are other books that have kind of been ruined because
for me, especially like I tend not to like when
it's being over dramatized, you know, yeah, and all the
women talk like this, I just can't listen to it.
(04:55):
It just doesn't work for me. So I don't know.
I try to do a good job, but I also
I probably underwhelm when it comes to reading audiobooks. Very often.
I'm like in the same tone.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
But that's good because my mom and I we were
driving for some reason across several states, and we we
were like, we're gonna listen to an audiobook, and we
chose an Agatha Christie book, which is inherently like if
you drift off for ten seconds, you're lost. And I
think whoever the publisher was was like, let's get someone
(05:30):
like Sorry Haley, who is so stereotypically British that like
they over and it was like and so we were
in the car driving and we'd be and then like
the GPS would go off and you'd be like.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Like we.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So it's I think it's better to be calm and
you know, not trying to overdo it because you can't
see the person, so it's not even like the performance
is you know, we can't see what's going on.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yeah, this is true. I always once listening to the
audio book of the book's song Bird Song, Sorry Sebastian folks,
and it's got some really raunchy bits in it. And
I was going across the Humber Bridge, which is a
big old bridge in the north of England, and I
came to the toll where you have to pay your money,
(06:21):
and as I came to the toll, this very vivid
description of this very rude scene and yeah, he just
didn't know where to look or bless him. Yes, so yeah,
be careful with the audio. Have you ever had to
do one of those adcinerate and intimatecy.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I have never. There was there is a writer who
has written a bit of erotica here in Iceland who
asked me to read her stories that I asked my
wife and she was like maybe not and I was like, okay,
no problem.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
We're ten minutes into the interview and we're already talking
about erotica. I know, I know, I'm gonna oh, sorry, no,
I had to.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I had a segue. I had a segue. It naturally
went Emily.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Well, do you mind if I throw in one last
fact because I have to it so sorry. Our listeners
are probably gonna turn this off when I say this,
but I have a weird obsession with Sack Woods. I'd
say no, absolutely, I saw wait, okay, listen, Hailey, I
(07:35):
have to say this. I saw the other day you
shared one of his videos on your Instagram. Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
You're let me look him up. I don't really know
who that is.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Oh my god, Sacks.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
I mean Sack Wots. Oh my god. Yes, I'm sorry.
One of the funniest people alive.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Dumb it.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I'm trying to make this go away.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
You know, I've been trying to get him on this
podcast for a year and a half, and every time
there's any connection to Zach Woods with a guest, I'm like, so,
what do you what's your opinion? Like, do you have
a so I just I saw that and I was like.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yes, I find him to be screeningly funny, and I
love his very long, ironic sort of where it seems
to be cheering on someone or something and it just
goes on and on, and I just love it. I
think it's really good.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
This was sorry, It's fine, It's fine. He's a very
funny guy. I'll give him it. I am expected level
of stalking.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
No, but see, it's one of those things where like
I've forgotten how this started.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I know I can't remember either.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I can't remember how we started this. I've never listened,
I've not I just think he is so brilliant and
he's a character of himself and I love that, and
so any chance to discuss his comedy, I'm gonna take it.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I mean, he he on a show like The Office
is just I mean, it's just screamingly funny, and it
just seems to be a person that has a very
easy sort of way of taking the pits of himself.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, in the way.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
And if you usually those are the funniest people.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
If you, I don't know if you have this show
in Iceland, but if you have access to the Peacock
show that he did called in the No, it's it's
a claymation I have seen that it's on Peacock here,
which the office is also on its like NBC's streaming up.
But it's it's he plays an MPR host, and it's
(09:47):
all claimation, and the interviews with the celebrities that the
MPR host does are all improvised and it's the actual
celebrity fantastic, So please.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
A little bit between two ferns is probably one of
the things.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
You know, it's in that mean.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Those interviews, Oh god, that they exist.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yes, exactly, it's the it's the inherent silliness that I
wish there was more of on the internet. Anyway, Haley,
would you like it? Like Hailey, listen, we cleaned it
up a couple of minutes. You can move us on.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I just it was totally worth I enjoyed it. I enjoyed.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
I agree.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I was gonna I was going to take.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
You on from kind of sexy scenes in third song
to you being like this almost unlikely sex symbol and
trapped because like it was trapped the show that like
launched your career.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I mean, my career has been been a really funny career.
So I started. I graduated from the drama school here
in Iceland, twenty seven years ago something like that. And
for the first ten years I just did a lot
of theater. I did a few films. I graduated from
college and from the drama school in ninety eight, and
(11:28):
then I did about two or three films right after
I graduated, and then I didn't do any films for
like five years. And Iceland is such a small place
that I've been doing a lot of theater and there
were no agents. So after having not done any film
for I think three or four years, I just decided
to reach out to all the film directors that got
(11:49):
a grant from the Icelandic Film Fund Amazing, and it
was one of it was just a great move. It
It was really good, not only just to reach out
to someone, but it was really good to sort of
take control a little bit of your own career. And
so I, you know, there's there's ego to everything we do.
(12:11):
And I remember I was sort of debating whether or
not to call people and you know, what could be
the downside, and my, you know, my my sort of
conclusion was that the most difficult thing that any one
could say was like, no, I don't want to see you.
I don't want to audition you. So the upside was
(12:32):
much bigger than the downside would ever be. So I
basically called I think five directors. Three of them were
incredibly nice. One of them was kind of like, you know,
I don't know when I'm doing my film, and one
of them I had worked with before, and he said like,
if you call me in two weeks, then I'll start casting.
(12:52):
And I remember I was like, if he doesn't remember
this phone call in two weeks, then maybe you know. Yeah.
But sure enough, funnily enough, I called these directors and
one of them I just loved this. So basically I
talked to him and he told me, well, I'm making
this movie, but I'm very sorry, man, it's only I
only have female parts, so I don't have any men.
(13:15):
I don't need any men. So and I just said,
like you I'll do anything, like I'll be a face
in a window, you know, a footstep in the background
or whatever, and I don't mind the audition or self
tape or whatever you want. And sure enough he called
me a week later and said, you know, when you
called I, you know I have a part, but when
(13:36):
you called, I had never thought of you for that part.
But since you called I can't think of anyone else,
and beautifully enough, that was with el Malisa, who I
I've done a few films with and playing her boyfriend,
and it was that was kind of a different part
for me. So I think I've lucked out many times
with stuff like that that directors have been willing to
(13:56):
cast me sort of against type or sort of trusted
me with something that under sort of normal circumstances they
would have cast someone else. And I think Trapped is
is you know, part of that. I think traditionally would
have been a handsome like you know, uh, a properly handsome,
(14:22):
but you know what I mean, like traditionally like you know, yeah,
a Brad Pitt or something. I don't know those guys are,
but anyway, Like, yeah, so I've I've been really lucky
with that and I think trapped. Trapped was a huge
thing for me in my career. But I was already
kind of working. I'd worked a lot in the theater. Yeah,
(14:44):
and I kind of lucked out at the same time
because I did I auditioned for Walter Mitty Secret Live,
WALTI Midy, and I had sort of started my American
career maybe a year or two before Trap app so
everything was kind of coming out as Trapped was coming out,
(15:05):
and they did Walter Midi and two Detective and other things, So, yeah,
this is a lucky Samva bitch.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Is it looking out though? Or is it no? Is
it getting yourself in front of the right It's like
treating it like a business almost and like doing the
networking work and not expecting it to just come to you.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
I think, you know, that was part of we have
agents here in Iceland now, and I certainly have great
a great agent in London and a wonderful manager in
la and those people I count on them for everything.
But here in Iceland it was kind of just part
of having to grow up almost, like you know, I
(15:45):
remember every actor I knew was in trouble with their taxes,
you know, because you start working and you get all
the boddy, You're like, oh my god, you get so
much money, and then you realize a year later that
the taxman actually wanted half of that. And most of
my friends were like, I get a bankload. So I
(16:07):
remember that was something I was like, Okay, now I'm
just going to take this in hand and learn about
how and where to do by taxes and all that stuff.
It's just I'm weird with stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
You know, that's not a bad thing to be on
top of your.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Taxits no, no, but I think it's also I think
it's really important for an actor to be sort of
in the driver's seat of his own career. And it
took me a while to figure that out. I was
working for a theater here in Iceland, which I thought
I would work for for ten fifteen years, and they
fired me after two years because they were cutting back,
(16:47):
but also because I wasn't happy. I've been hired as
a part of an ensemble and it just wasn't an
ensemble theater. So you know, I was happy to play
the small parts and do all that stuff. But anytime
there was a bigger part that came along, the theater
so went outside of the you know, the the ensemble
(17:08):
and would hire a star or someone with a bigger name.
That's so frustrating, it really was. So in the end,
that's one of the best things that ever happened to me.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
I bet the kicking themselves now.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
I mean, it's island, we all know each other so well.
But yeah, it was interesting because I when I I
remember when I graduated from drama school, I had set
myself a goal, which was one of my favorite Icelandic
actors is In Garson, Who's who's just incredibly like a
phenomenally talented actor and a great person. And I remember
(17:45):
he was sort of a position where I would when
I was graduating that he could kind of pick and
choose what he wanted to do. And I remember I
was like, I'm gonna in four years time, that's going
to be me. And sure enough, in four years time,
I got fired. And I remember for like a week
that was like, so what am I going to do?
Like I might's gonna not be an actor anymore, or
(18:07):
I'm going to do do something else. But that was
a really good kick in the butt. That was like, okay,
so now I just have to I can't put my
trust in anyone else, no one. No one will ever
be more interested in me or my career than myself,
no one. So you have to you have to be
(18:27):
awake when you want to and make your own decisions.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, so true, so true.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I was just thinking about when you were saying earlier
about having more comedic roles. There one of the funniest
one of the funniest moments of season two of seven's
which I told you I was. I was at the
event here in New Jersey a few weekends ago, and
Stephen Colbert said, the same thing is when you get shot.
(18:58):
And there's a couple of moments too, where when when
you say the thing about the guy wearing the sweater, Like,
there's very comedic moments where like I'm laughing out loud
and you're like bleeding to death, and I'm like, I'm conflicted.
So was it Is it like a decision to make
(19:23):
it comical or is it just the ridiculousness of the
situation that makes it funny? Do you think or are
you in your head as an actor, going I'm gonna
make this moment funny.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
No. I think that's such an interesting question because, I mean,
so much drama, so much comedy comes from drama. I think,
you know, I I you know when you think about
the just the first episode of Friends is basically Ross
finding out that his wife is a lesbian and she's
(19:58):
pregnant with his baby, and she you know, she's leaving
him for a woman, which is, you know, in essence,
a very dramatic thing. Doesn't matter if she's a lesbian
or anything like that. But just anyone leaving you, and
you know, especially if they're having your baby. You know,
that's a dramatic thing. And I think usually, at least
(20:21):
for me, the funniest things aren't really played very comical,
they're played very serious. I have a very British sense
of humor. I think a British sort of dry ironic. Yes,
Minister of Humor is just something I find so funny.
Toast of London is one of my favorite things of
all time.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Tim's Oh is he really? Yeah? Tim Down He's been
on our show. He's in that show as well.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
But I mean that is for anyone who wants to
much interesting, like funny British stuff, Toast of London with
Matt Berry is just one of the funniest things you'll find.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Kind of ball, isn't he He really is?
Speaker 3 (21:04):
And just I think because now people know him because
of what we do in the Shadows, But when you
look at his career, like he was doing his stuff
for such a long time just under the radar, I
mean funny, but I don't think people were. I remember
that someone did an interview show with him here in Iceland.
(21:26):
I had no idea who he was. I'm bummed now
that I wasn't just there to hold the camera or something. Yeah,
but I think, yeah, yeah, To answer your question, I
don't think. Yeah, I don't think, especially with the gun
I'm getting shot. I've never thought of it would be funny.
(21:49):
I never thought. I never thought it would be sad.
I mean, even me, I'm kind of glad that mister
Drummond just goes away. I'm terrified of him, Like I'm
be that that happens.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I mean, he's very scary, except he has the most
gen z feminine tattoo on his hand, you know, like
Frolic is. Like I get that it's supposed to be scary,
but I'm like, I see this on Pinterest, like not
the exactly, but a lot of girls are getting like
like you know, baby girl on their hand and I'm like,
(22:22):
mister Drummond's just not like Frolic And I'm like, have
you has any have any fans like gotten this tattoo
and showed it to you?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Oh? I not not that I've seen No.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Okay, No, I'm good with the hands. I'm going to
keep my hands as as is. But I just I
just find that so funny because it was like they
zoom in and it's supposed to be like this meant
and I'm like that.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
So do you guys have tattoos?
Speaker 1 (22:49):
I do?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Really does two?
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:52):
I have nothing. I've always it's always been for me.
It's been like, you know, being an actor, especially back
in the day, like that was like a big note
for actors. But now I meet actors that are just
covered in tattoos, which I think is terrifying.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I started getting one removed and then it got too expensive,
so I have like two and a half.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Did you have like one ona forever or something like that.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
No, I got one when I was nineteen and I
was like an adult and it's so it's just and
the tattoo artist was like, hey, like, FYI in like
a few years, is going to be a blob. And
I was like, you don't understand my vision. And now
it's a blob. Okay, So that's the story. It'll be
gone someday, but not yet.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah. Poor makeup department are always like everything I work on,
they always seem to be like rubbing out people's tattoos
before they go on. Yeah, it takes ages and It's.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Also I think you have to get permission, right, do
you have to get permission from the artist if you're
going to use the tattoos changed.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Oh, it's easier just to cover everything than it is
it through legal.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I didn't know that. I was working on a show
once and one of the actors got a tattoo like
over the weekend, and boy was it a long production
meeting because they couldn't cover it because it was over
the weekend.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Oh, he was.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Inrouble. The way people act when it's like their first
thing they've ever gotten. It's like, I feel like young
actors sometimes are like I'm untouchable, and then it's like
not exactly.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
I remember one of my colleagues who shaved. He thought
he was finished. He had one scene left shoe. Oh no,
that was a tough met and they had like a
full beard like me, Like, I was like, how are
we going to fake this? It's one seed? That's crazy,
Oh my god. I mean in the end, the director,
(25:02):
I remember the director was he was pissed and he
was just like, well just shoot it from here. And
strange really, but they fixed it and end the film
came out. No one noticed, so.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Wow, when when you're when you are filming those scenes
that are that I find funny, that are maybe not
supposed to be. Did you ever break like in like
in you see Friends bloopers, everyone's breaking, Like are you
and Gwendolen like laughing when you're like doing this or
is it all just very serious?
Speaker 3 (25:40):
The whole time, I was just kind of so star
struck on that show. I mean, I love Adam. I
think Adam is such a great guy, like gwen An
absolutely adore and I'm like, you know, all these wonderful,
incredible people and and just really professional. So I mean
(26:03):
it's kind of weird, like I felt like I really
enjoyed it and and it was it wasn't you know,
stressful in that way. But at the same time, I
remember it's just really and also you know the fact
that I hit or Adam and you know, Adam pushed
Adam into the wall. That didn't really help with like,
oh this is fantastic. Uh.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Concussing the Star, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Concussing the Star and and then having two days left
of the fight scene was not my best moment. But
but no, no, I I I mean, I I just
remember talking about me and Adam in the in the elevator,
we kept talking about old films stuff like that. It
was nice. It was I really loved being on Severance
(26:48):
and and you know, the the cast is such it's
just such good people, great actors but also good people,
just like becoming a part of a family.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, it was crazy that that day I found out
about they didn't announce that that whole thing was happening,
although I'm not important enough online to be invited, so
I was in the the standing room only thing. I
found out about it at three o'clock. I was standing
by four point thirty and it didn't start until seventh.
(27:20):
So it was like me and like one hundred people
are all like we're all standing surrounding it and everyone
the whole time. No one's like on their phone. Everyone
was just like like ready to go. And I think
that just speaks to the power of the whole cast
is everyone's like who's gonna be And when I saw
that you were there and like Sarah was there, I
(27:42):
was like, great, everybody is here. Like I was excited
to hear more points of view, not that I wasn't,
like I always want to hear from Ben and Adam
and you know, but then Theodore's Theodore walks out and
you're just like, what the heck is going on? So yeah,
it was. It was a huge treete and and everybody
(28:04):
there was just like so thrilled, even though we've been
standing there for many hours.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yeah, I mean it felt for me like also just
so you know, like for the actors, for us, it's
kind of special too, especially when you're working in TV.
Like usually you don't need a lot of the audience
when you do film. You know, usually at least you
have like premieres and stuff, so you meet them a
(28:30):
little bit. But but for me, this is hasn't happened often,
and it was just incredibly special to see also how
much Apple loves the show. And also you know just
how much they've put into creating this environment of people,
to sort of submersive environment where you can experience the show.
(28:50):
And I remember when I walked in at the woman,
the actress who was lying on the table like like
like writ her character is and Helly is is in
the first episode of season one. She was there for
like four hours lying on that table, Like I was
completely blown away with that. But that was it was
(29:13):
it was an incredible event event and also in that
that beautiful building.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I really love that love Bell Works. I usually I
go there quite quite a bit because they have a
wonderful farmers market. They have like salted dancing classes and
trivia nights and like it's a really fun place. So
the fact that then I got I went back the
next day because yeah, the photo ops and and things
(29:40):
like that, but yeah, it's a really beautiful How how
did you like New Jersey Out.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Of I haven't spent much time in New Jersey. I
was in Holmdale and that's about it for me. But
a lot of the people, of course, when you work
in the film industry in New York, a lot of
the people either come from New Jersey or live in
New Jersey, and it just seems like it's a really
(30:05):
nice place. So it's like a little bit like suburbia.
Uh that's where representation of it.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah, I mean it's very it's a lot. So I
was in LA for ten years and I just moved
back here a little under a year ago. Netflix announced
that they were they're making sound stages like ten minutes
from where I'm from, and I was like, I'm out
of California, so I really like it, Like there's kids
(30:34):
riding bikes and birds and things like that, orreas in
La I didn't want to go outside because I was
too afraid of where I lived. So I think it's nice.
And then of course I learned that Lumen is ten
minutes away from me too, so that that really was
it like a perk?
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Yeah you based, Hailey, I'm in Leeds in the UK.
I'm in the north of England, but yeah, I uh,
I travel around quite a bit for work, but I
don't get to New Jersey very often.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
I wish I wish I did.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, I totally wish I did. But yeah, yeah, I'm
hearing slightly cold England. I would like it to be
a bit warmer, but but yeah, I'm just freezing here
in my little office.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
I was just going to ask, and I'm so serious
when I say, this is going to make me sound
like an idiot. Is everyone ready?
Speaker 3 (31:29):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Is Iceland as cold as it sounds?
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I want to say, No, Iceland's a weird place because
we get the golf stream from the Caribbean.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Okay, yeah, I mean it's it's.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Not like the Caribbean up here. But that so we
keep to temperate yea, yeah, if it were. There are
places in Siberia that are the same latitude longitude latitude.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I think latitude.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
They are so much colder in winter and so much
hotter in summer. So but Iceland stays really kind of
you know, it never gets really warm, never gets really cold.
Like a cold winter day in New York is for
me like a crazy cold day. Wow, because it's not
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humid here. They're no mosquitoes. There's it's a really kind
of weird place. There are no mosquitoes in Iceland.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
So fashionable over here to go to Iceland, it's like
it's the very first to go to recunc.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
But it's called Iceland because Iceland was settled by Norwegian
vikings back in the ninth century. And the story goes
that they named it Iceland to kind of put off
the interest of the Norwegian king.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
It works on me.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
And then one of them or a few of the
moved further on and went to a place called Greenland,
which is not very green, kind of icy, for the
same reason they wanted more people to come. That's how
the story goes.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Anyway, I love that I did not know that I
feel like we're covering a lot of topics. Yeah, I
wanted to ask a really stupid question about Ben still
at like with the sorry, I'm just kind of going
off on one, I'm going back to Severance. So like
with with Walter Mitty obviously and then Severance, was that
(33:32):
like a direct cut across did Ben's still just go Yes,
it's him.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
I've just been I mean I met Ben on Walter Emody.
I auditioned first. I taped for the role and Rachel Tennor,
who was the wonderful casting director on Severance but also
on Walter Emidy and basically on everything that Ben does
and has done for years. This is so random. I
(34:02):
had done one film in the US called Contraband, which
was a remake and remake of an Islandic film with
Mark Wahlberg. And on that film, I my costume designer.
Her name is Jenny. She turned out to be Rachel
Tenner's best friend.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
So when Rachel comes to Iceland, Rachel's like, okay, you know,
I know, you know Jenny. We both love Jenny. I'm
going to help you get this part. And we do
this beautiful audition. She's so patient, so just so giving
and great to me. But honestly, after even after having
that help, I was like, there's not no way in
(34:44):
hell I'm ever getting this part. You know, I was
a local Icelandic actor. This is one of the best
parts anyone has ever written on film, I think. And
then you know, I met Ben later on, maybe a
month later, auditioned with him in the room room, had
to fight him, remember going like Ben kept saying, because Ben,
(35:06):
you know, he is a tough guy. Like he he
is just such a he's just such a presence, and
he's just like, okay, we have to fight, so just
lay into me. And I'm like, okay, you know, and
it's Ben Stiller, like I love it, Like I don't
want to I don't want to do I don't want
to do that. But anyway, weirdly I got the part,
(35:30):
and then me and Ben just kind of kept in
touch and became good friends. I got to do this
incredible scene in Zuelander two, which was absolutely insane. It's
so much fun. Uh, And I remember there was discussions
of me doing something in Escape at Anymore, and I
was sadly busy I was shooting something so I couldn't
(35:54):
make it, and then you know, Ben reached out and
they offered me this part. And it's also just to
get to be part of something that you kind of love.
And I really loved the first season of Severance and
I know it it was such a labor of love
for Ben. I remember, you know, all the COVID pauses,
(36:16):
and it was just a really tough thing to do.
And I think, you know, for the cast and everyone involved,
to do two seasons in five years has not been
easy or fun. But what is great about it is
that when you watch it and you see the quality
that's gone into it, you can kind of forgive that
someone would take their time to do something that looks
(36:38):
just so incredible.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah, Chef's kiss. Everything's perfect about it, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
So basically it's all it's all click, Like I just
got the part because I know, no.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Bad, you're selling yourself short at every turn meet other people.
And then the person's like, so, you know.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Absolutely bad, But I I you know, honestly, like you're right.
I do talk a lot about luck. But of course
you have to work, work really hard, and you have
to be a nice person. You have to be you know,
you have to be willing to go far and do stuff,
and you can't complain too much, and you have to
be thankful for every role you get because it's not, uh,
(37:28):
you know, why you instead of someone else. But I
do talk about luck because it's just a factor in
what we do, sadly, because I know so many incredibly
talented people that you know, they that should have been
the biggest stars in the world, but they were just not,
you know, not there at the right time for the
(37:50):
right part. And I know because I've also worked on
the other side of the camera, and I know the
stupendously tiny details that go into one person getting apart
and the other person doesn't. And usually we don't hear
those things, so for us, you know, it's different for everyone,
but it could be just such a rejection not to
(38:13):
get something, especially when you've gotten far into the process. Yeah,
and you know, and honestly, sometimes it's just it's tiny,
nothing detail and.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
You just like, we'll pick him, you won't pick him.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
It's it must be so hard to not kind of
get like when you don't get it, to not get
into the zone of I'm not very good, even though
it's clearly not that it's just something it's it's just
something that they're looking for that is better in the
other person. It must be so difficult.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
I mean, I think I have I have a great
story of I think both versions of this. I remember,
you remember there was a film that Will Smith did
called Focus Yes, And there's a wonderful, wonderful actor in
New York, Adrian Martinez, and I think he plays the
(39:13):
part that I was kind of up for in that film.
And I remember I flew they flew me from Iceland
to New York to audition for the for the for
the directors, and the directors hadn't seen me in Walter
Mittie and they were so you know, enthusiastic about getting
me to audition. And you know, even I even one
(39:35):
of my friends was staying at the same hotel as them,
met them in the bar and they were like, oh
my god, we're seeing Dona tomorrow. We can't wait. He's
so incredible. And I turn up and I absolutely shot
the bed. I was like, I have the worst worst
auditioning day, just one of those days where you just
you're not I'm just not able to get to do anything.
(39:57):
I was just like I was like a log about it.
I just could not I couldn't leave the tracks and
it was but it was kind of a it was
kind of a fabulous thing. Of course I didn't get
the part, but then I remember I left. I left
that casting director was the first time I'd ever met
(40:18):
that casting director, and I really felt like I just
was so bad. And I got a call from my
agent the next day and it seemed the same casting
director was casting a pilot that Jonathan Demi was going
to direct, and he was like my agent was like,
they were like, ah, we kind of don't know which
(40:40):
part he might be right for, so it's just going
to send you all the parts. And it was like
twenty two pages of dialogue. It was four different parts.
And I had one day and I was just like
I tried to learn everything I could, and then I
go back to the same casting director into that same room,
but now with you know, another director and the writer
(41:02):
as well, Blake Masters who wrote the pilot, and Jonathan Demi,
and that's just one of them. I remember, if I'm
ever proud of anything, I was really proud of that
day because I managed to just throw that older audition
just out the window and I did my hardest you know,
(41:23):
to to know the lines and play the characters a
little differently but still be honest and truthful. And I
kid you not. I walked out of that audition room
and my agent called me in like thirty minutes It said, okay,
so basically we knew you weren't right for any of
those parts, but Jonathan, Demi and Blake are going to
(41:44):
write a part for you. Wow, they had a part,
but they're going to turn it into a series regular
and they're just gonna have you with them. And you know,
sadly the pilot was never picked up, but we did
get to shoot it. But I think, you know, it's
sort of like I saw this wonderful interview with the
guy who won the Masters yesterday, Rory matt Roy, Rory McRoy,
(42:10):
and it was really interesting because he was saying the
same thing like he you know, this has been him
winning that tournament, has been coming for something like fourteen years,
and you know, and on the eleventh or thirteenth hole
or something, he put his ball into the water, and
it would have been such a typical thing for him
(42:32):
or anyone to go like, oh okay, now, it's just
I'm not going to win this like it's gone, and
he said, like, if there's anything I'm proud of, it's
the fact that I actually managed to do that. But
also then just pick up my game and just continue
and not focus too much on that happening. And I
think that's very much how an actor has to look
(42:52):
at his or any artist for that matter, has to
look at his career. You will have the worst days.
There will be moments where you goof up or you know,
you mess up the set, or you burn the set down,
or something happens. You know, you have like Peter Sellers
at the party, you blow up a million dollar set
(43:14):
before they start filming. But then you know you have
to move on. You have to be able to tell
yourself that that was just one day, and you know
if you if you work hard, you will you will
be able to come back and do better.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
That was fantastic because you don't even know this, but
we were going to move you into a section about
telling a story that is exactly what you just did.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
That was amazing.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
We have never sometimes we have days where we're like
really great with segues. We didn't even need a segue,
which is a first.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
Oh that's good. Maybe it's just because I talk a lot.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
No. I know that was great because I don't know
if you well, no, probably not. But when you started,
I was like, okay, good.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
I was just trying to really covertly message you, Emily.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
I really skipped the story.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
I was wrong in the story that I've not even
paying attention to the notes.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
I was like, I can't skip the story because I
haven't talked about Eurovision yet.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Ahead, Haley, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
I love that film.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
You you are not the only one. So many people
love that film.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
I love it. I love how dead pan you are
in it. You're such a good foil to all like,
I just are you a Eurovision fan?
Speaker 3 (44:40):
I actually I'm not. My family absolutely loves your vision.
I could probably if I had Graham Norton, I would probably.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
That's part of it because he makes.
Speaker 3 (44:52):
So much fun of it.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Yeah, But but I have to I have to admit
that I became a bigger fan after being in that film.
And I also I'm also very proud of that film.
I think that film is so good, and I know
it means a lot of people, but I also think
because Eurovision is a it can be a very camp thing. Yes,
(45:16):
and it would be so much, so easy just to
make fun of it. But I think what the film
really does well. It does make fun of it, of
course it does, but it also elevates it. It also
respects it, and it also kind of puts it on
a pedestal. And I think, I mean, Eurovision is a
kind of unique thing where you have all these nations
(45:38):
that come together and even like I love that the
Australians are now part of Eurovision because they they were
just such big fans and in the end, soone was like, oh,
bring Australia board. The only thing they can't win because
then everyone has to leave Europe to go to Australia.
But yeah, no, no, I love that film. And Will
(45:59):
Ferrell and Rachel mcaarran's just and Dan Stevens, Oh yeah, damn.
I work with Dan on a very serious film Walk
Up on the Tombstones. But he just he owns Eurovision,
he owns that phone.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
It's just I just think it's the perfect I just
think it's so well crafted, is it. I agree, it's
a movie, and it just it walks, like you say,
it walks that line between taking the mic and taking
it very seriously, just so well, and Yaya ding Dong
is always somewhere in my head.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
No, and and you know, Hanna's only who is the
Yaya ding Dong man. It's just one of the sweetest
people you could ever meet on this planet, a great actor.
And I have like fourteen times senter a message on Instagram.
Please can I ask you to do yeah Ya ding
Dong for one of my friends. And it makes me
(46:58):
so happy that I have someone that my life that
I could just sort of call up ask for that.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Oh my gosh, I love it.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
I love it. I've got the I've got the playlist,
I've got it on my running playlist, all the songs
from the Origin movie I'm So Sad, a couple of
that film.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
We're moving on to asking you what your definition is
either in career or life or a mix of both,
of making it Like, what does that phrase mean to you?
Speaker 3 (47:39):
Oh? Wow, I think making it in life is for
me personally, and it's a really boring answer. But having kids, Oh,
I really honestly felt that. As soon as my first
daughter came into the world, I realized why I'm on
(48:00):
the planet. And now you know, I have two daughters
and I absolutely love them. And they basically make my
life interesting. And and I think that making it is
to you know, have kids and make sure that they
(48:21):
grow up safe and as safe as you can make
them and as happy as you can help them be,
and help them grow up to be good people. I
think that's making it hive, doesn't it. I I really,
I mean in a way where I wouldn't have believed it.
(48:41):
And I know it sounds like, you know, it sounds
like a line or something, but it really, honestly is
that way. It's just it's also so good for an actor.
It's so good to shift the focus from yourself onto
someone else. And I mean that with honesty. Being an actor,
(49:02):
I find it's always there's always a struggle with ego,
and and I understand why because I think you cannot
be an artist without ego. There it's just ego is
part of the driving force that makes us do anything.
And for you to want to do well as an artist,
(49:24):
you have to have ego. But it's a constant battle
because you know, I think find egotistical people to be
just you know, the biggest turn off I know. So
it's you have to have the right blend. I think
of of having ego and having belief in yourself and
being proud of when you do well, but also being
(49:46):
able to be honest of when you don't do well.
And and I don't know any artists who just does
well to be to be.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Honest, absolutely, and I like that when we've not had that.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Yet, No nobody's loved their case.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
I guess, am I fucking this up, guys.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
I don't know if you notice, but when we were
talking about Eurovision, my littlest one came behind this screen.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
Oh I didn't see that, and.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
I just saw him and I was like, and then
and then my husband came and took him away.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Do you remember that incredible what was the CN interview? Yes,
it is like the best sketch of all time. It's
just like the funniest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (50:33):
Everybody's reaction to it as well.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
It's just incredible, but.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
Also just such a real life event, like you know,
bye bye by older. My younger brother had his son
here today who's eighteen months old and just you know,
running on everything, jumping off everything. And my brother is
just like I said, so he's making you older. And
my brother's like, in some ways he's Yeah, he's destroying
(50:59):
my life. But in some way, I'm also younger in
a way where I'm now actively jumping to save lives
like every three seconds. So it makes me happy. Kids
are awesome.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Oh I don't have any, but I'm just living.
Speaker 2 (51:19):
I wish you lived closer to me, Emily, so you
can look after her.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
I know, I know. That's what I say all the time.
I love being an aunt. And then you're like, well,
I'm gonna leave.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
I'm always messaging Emily saying how can I stop these
from becoming assholes?
Speaker 4 (51:36):
Yes? Do you know when you feel like you're.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
Messing it up all of the time, like you're always
I'm always worried that I'm causing some kind of trauma
that I don't know about or something, you know.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
But I mean that's I think that's how it is.
And life is so unpredictable. Yeah, and you know, and
you know people that have gone through the most horrible
childhoods that have grown up to be great people and
vice versa. And I think what you have to do,
it's just you do your best, and you know that's
(52:10):
that's anything anyone can ask, That's just that's how it is.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
Haley's a great mom, So I don't.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
It's it.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
Is is, how do you guys know each other?
Speaker 1 (52:29):
You are the first person to ask us that. I'm
just realizing nobody's ever asked us that we met. So okay,
I'll tell the story much like you, Dari, I am
a cold email fiend. I'm like, nobody's gonna knock on
my door and smell my potential, so therefore I have
to tell everybody about it. So I was just firing
(52:51):
off messages on LinkedIn, and Haley was one of the
unfortunate recipients. And then three months later she replied, and
then we got.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
On Yeah, I was gonna say that says more about
LinkedIn than it does about Haley.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
No, I think. I think I messaged you again three
months later. I have ane, I have my schedule of
like here's who I've poked, and they haven't turned around,
and and so uh, then we got on a FaceTime
call and I've not stopped messaging her in the three
four years since then.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
Crazy times. Yeah, it's an outfit for LinkedIn. If nothing else,
they have linked sponsorship.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
I don't know. But then, but then Haley and I
were working at Warner Brothers in different countries, and so
we kind of bonded over talking about working for the
you know, in the same world. Right, Oh my gosh,
like half half the people were working in the building
next to mine and then the other half were working
in Haley's building, no joke, and so it was just
(54:00):
you know anyway, So yes, yes, that's.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
How people together.
Speaker 1 (54:06):
We've yeah, we've met in person one time two years ago.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
Where did you meet?
Speaker 1 (54:13):
I went to London?
Speaker 3 (54:15):
Okay, yeah, yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
We went to see Hans Zimmer.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
We did go to see Hans Zimmer.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Yes, very cool.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
It was you know, it was I could go on
for so long. He is such an interesting fellow. My
favorite story is at one point he came out with
his leather jacket tucked into his pants.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
It's beautiful, but.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
You know what, there need to be a little bit
dorky if you're a composer, So the leather jacket had
to be canceled out bikes. Anyway, if this.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
Was to become a book and your episode was a
chapter title, what would your chapter be called?
Speaker 4 (55:12):
Chapter title?
Speaker 2 (55:13):
That sums up your career so far?
Speaker 3 (55:15):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (55:15):
Wow, would you like examples for examples?
Speaker 3 (55:18):
Yeah, that would be great.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
Okay, so most people's chapter titles are about freaking out
about job stability. We've had, we've we've had a variety.
We've had I'm scared, please hire me. We've had Please
tell me the catering's good. One person has been calm.
That was Donnie Wahlberg. Was the only relaxed chapter title
we've had.
Speaker 3 (55:39):
I think my kind of my reaction to I had
my first sort of filming job outside of Iceland was
a very well. I was told that very very low
budget TV film called ten sixty six, and I was
of course playing a viking in that obviously, And I
(56:01):
remember I came to set and saw the catering and thoughted,
this is not a low budget film, like having having
worked in Iceland, where you just basically you get fed
a pizza out of the back of the vat if
you're lucky, and that's lunch. But I remember that. That
(56:22):
was my reaction. I was like, this is not a
low budget thing. They are all this food and stuff.
That was fun. I think that, but this is not
a This can't be a low budget This can't be
a low budget project or something like that that would
be that would be it.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
No, I like it, though I like the meeting behind.
Speaker 1 (56:40):
It because you you can you can tell, Yeah, you
can tell Haley's gotten food poisoning off of the.
Speaker 3 (56:47):
Oh God, off the cake. Can I tell you by
my food poisoning story, it's oh God, guys. I was shooting.
I was shooting the TV in South Africa in Cape Town,
and we were shooting during the day and then we
were taking the Red Eye from Cape Town to Amsterdam,
(57:13):
and so we're shooting in the morning, shooting I think
a love scene or something, at least I was. There
was a kiss involved and we were in bed or something,
and I remember I was thinking, like, I'm not gonna
have like a big meal. I'm just gonna have a
I'll have a salad. And remembering that, I thought like
my wife would be so proud of me. And I
(57:35):
had the salad. But I don't know who washed that
salad or if they didn't. But it's really, I mean,
it's this is just such a funny story, because it's
horrible but funny. So we wrap at like five, and
we're the plane is supposed to leave at like nine
in the evening, and we wrap at five. I go
(57:57):
to the hotel, I pack, and I'm like, think a
bit strange in my stomach, what's going on? And then
go to the shuttle, go to the airport. And then
slowly as I walk into the airport, I start realizing
that I am not well. Oh no, and I go
to security, put my backpack, walk through, and I remember
(58:23):
this guy saying to me, like this security guy saying, well,
we have to re run your backpack. And I was like, yeah,
that's fine. Yeah, no, there's a garbage can. And then
I just walked to the garbage can and you know,
got rid of that salad and a lot of other stuff.
And for the next the flight was late three hours.
(58:44):
Oh thankfully.
Speaker 1 (58:46):
It's going to say, isn't that a good That might
be a good day.
Speaker 3 (58:49):
I was in the lounge and think with you know,
flying business. So I was in the lounge hugging a
toilet for something like five hours.
Speaker 2 (59:02):
Oh sad.
Speaker 3 (59:03):
And then I go on the plane and I had,
you know, my producer had asked like would you like
to take the flight tomorrow? And I was like is
that possible? And she was like yes, I think so,
but they don't have any business class seats. And I
remember I was like, there is no way I am
fly on economy tomorrow. Maybe this sick I'm doing that tonight.
But then I got on the plane, told my Stewart
(59:28):
that I was feeling kind of sick, and then slept
for like ten hours thankfully nothing like no problem, and
then landed and everything was fine. But I'm never having
salad again. That was that was my takeaway from this.
You know, that's that's that's the thing that really that
(59:48):
that's the dangerous thing.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
Don't have some Maybe that's an alternate chapter title, I'm
never having sold again, don't have the salad?
Speaker 1 (59:58):
Do you know what that reminded me of? I know
you mentioned the American Office before, but with like doing
a love scene and wanting us sell. This is when
Michael is gonna sleep with Holly for the first time
and they're gonna go get dinner, and he's like, I'm
gonna have something light, maybe soup, thinking.
Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
How much do you love that love story?
Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
So good?
Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
God, I could go this could be a four hour interview.
I don't I don't want to take up any any
more of your time. Helly, have we done it all?
Do you have anything else?
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Ye've done it?
Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
We've done it amazing.
Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
This is.
Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
So fun. This has been a pleasure. And I'm will
say a goodbye and then I will push stop and
then we'll just wait a second to make sure that
we have everything. So does everyone want to pretend to
say goodbye to each other?
Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
Thank you so much, Daddy. I'm going to try and
do it.
Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
I know it's it's just a weird language.
Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
It's like I'm supposed to have a trilling my surname.
Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
I can't even say your last name, Haley, thank you,
thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
How to Make It is recorded from a closet in
New Jersey and a basement in Leeds, United Kingdom. It's
produced by Emily Capello and Haley Murle Darren. For full
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