May 5, 2025 • 53 mins
Comedian Matthew Brousard joins Emily & Haley to discuss his move from finance to stand-up comedy, his passion for teaching mathematics, and the pointlessness of impostor syndrome. Emily details her run-in with Jojo Siwa, Haley doesn't understand why everyone fantasizes about England, and we give our honest opinions on major US cities.
So put on your Power Ranger suit, get in a pointless queue, and think about math as you listen to Episode 23 of 'How To Make It With Emily & Haley.'
So put on your Power Ranger suit, get in a pointless queue, and think about math as you listen to Episode 23 of 'How To Make It With Emily & Haley.'
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Emily and I'm Hailey. After meeting online, we
became international best friends who bonded over how hard it
is to find success in the entertainment industry.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Join us and our celebrity co authors as they help
us write the book on how to make.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
It and, more importantly, uncover what making it even means?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
May that made us sound so much more serious than
we actually are?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Should we switch roles on this time? Okay, see that's
the intro, Hi.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Many, It was Matthecressard, and I wanted to be like
dream job would have been like designing toys. That would
probably if you'd asked me when I was very little,
be sa like I sculpted and I'm like that would
be a cool. Job was just to make characters out
of clay.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I didn't Christmas elf?
Speaker 4 (00:59):
What's that like?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
A Christmas Elf?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yes? Like?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
What?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Like Buddy theel? I didn't. I didn't aspire towards anything
in the entertainment industry until a lot later. I didn't.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Really, Yeah, that's healthy, I think. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Gave me very realistic expectations of any job that's fun.
You're probably not going to make a living yet.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
And then and then you just said. I'll listen to
that up until a certain point, and then.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Up until I realized it was a lie. Yeah, myself,
and to take a risk at least it would not
even take a risk, just give it a try. Yeah,
how about you? Would you want to be when you
grew up?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
The first thing that I wanted to be was a cat.
I was three years old and my dad told me
I could be anything I wanted, and I said, I
want to be a cat because I liked perching on
things and staring at people. And then he told me,
you can't be a cat because you're a person.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Emily.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
If we go back that far, I think I could
change my ands to the power ranger, because that certainly
was a career aspiration. I don't know what the pay
is like for power rangers. I don't know the perks
of the job, but good good office culture if nothing else.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
And you get a cool sung m you you do.
I wanted to be a vet ma. So this this
is quite I don't know, it's quite telling of our relationship,
is an Emily.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yes, Haley would have ended up having to deal with
me one way or the other, and we all failed,
so real good for us.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
So that's aspirational, right and not like a super like
very few people make it like everyone's. Whenever a job
is like fun and aspirational, it becomes incredibly hard to
make it in that industry. I feel like, no.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Coincidentally, then, my parents took me to see Cats on Broadway,
and it's my least favorite thing that's ever happened to me,
so so that I remember they had like the people
out during intermission and like mister Mestopheles is like junk,
was like very clear through his outfit and they were like,
he can come, and I was like, please get him
away from me. So so now we move into a
(03:07):
section where we tell you two random facts that we
found out about you on the internet, and mine is
that you taught a math class, I believe last year
in New Jersey, which is where I currently am sitting,
not in the math class in New Jersey, and I
just would love to hear how that came about and
where that was and everything.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yes, so I studied math in college. I still tutor
math for a nonprofit independently of that incident. But I
have a website where I draw puzzles. They're pun puzzle
it's well, it's tricky to explain how they work, but
it's called Monday punday dot com. And a random teacher
messaged me saying that she was a calculus teacher who
(03:51):
used the puns in class. No, I'm sorry. It wasn't
the teacher, it was the students. Two students messaged me saying,
we do these puzzles with our teacher. Can you give
us help? I said absolutely, who is your teacher? And
they gave me the contact information for the teacher. I
just wanted to reach out and you know, thank her
and tell her I'm also I was also a math major,
so I also love math and really have an appreciation
for math educators. And I think she pitched the idea,
(04:12):
if you want to come in and talk to the students,
and I said, cand of, come in and teach like
a little guest lecture. And at the end of the year,
I think we've done it twice now. I tried to
do it with missus Stanford once once or twice a year,
when you know, when the semesters more or less done,
go in and try to like teach a random subject.
I found fun that could be kind of covered in
one one hour and maybe try to do different lessons
(04:35):
for different classes based on where they are in their learning.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Where in New Jersey was this?
Speaker 4 (04:41):
It was very close to the Tony Soprano House. I
remember I looked on my Google math and the Grano's
house from the Sopranos. I was like, oh, wow, that's
that's where we are.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, very nice, very nice.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Is that near you?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well?
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I I mean, listen, I just moved back here a
few months ago from Los Angeles, where anything seems now
seems so close, like so kind of but not really.
I mean, there's a there's a an apartment complex that
I can see from my window that was also in
the Sopranos. So we're linked in that way. But I
(05:19):
feel like most of New Jersey has been in the Sopranos.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Where did you live in uh, Los Angeles?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I lived, Oh my gosh. I started in Burbank, then
I was in Pacific Palisades. Then I was in West Hollywood.
I was there for ten years total.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
It we're in West Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Well, well, I call it West Hollywood. I was technically
I was like, I was like, if you if I sneezed,
it would have been technically Hollywood like it would have
made it to Hollywood, like I.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Was Librea or okay, well Librian.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Librea, yeah yeah, but yeah, Hilly, you look like you
wanted to say something. And then I started talking about
New Jersey and then it oh.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
No, it's fun. No, I'm enjoying it. I'm living all
the Alisha, I miss I.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Well, how do you feel as someone who served time
in West Hollywood listening to Pink Pony Club, Because I
feel like it. It's the theme of this podcast, aspirational
little girl in the big city, pursuing her dreams. But boy,
has that been demystified.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I listen. I am glad that there are I am
glad that that someone loves it there.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
It was not me, someone who's a man or a
Russian who can.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I just like I I'm like, you know, when she says,
Santa Monica, you've been too good to me, I'm like, well,
I'm glad it's being good to someone because other than
getting my hair done there, it served me no purpose
other than being terrified. So I love that. And then,
of course everything that's happened recently, my family's there, they
(06:56):
lost their home. It's then you see, like the people
you love in the community. Whatever. Pre that, I was like,
I should leave. I've hated it for a decade and
I'm still still here. And now I'm in New Jersey
and it's nineteen degrees outside and loving it. So are you.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Actually a cat? Look at your fast side? No, I am.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I need to figure out winter. It's not the temperature,
it's the skin falling off and you know, I put
makeup on and it doesn't like stay on my face
in the winter, and then like I'm bleeding, but I'm
also like my nose is dry, but it's running. So
once I figure that out, and then I like accept
that it's just like a time of year where you're
just like a disgusting, swollen raisin, Yes, then I'll be
(07:42):
good to go.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
We my fiance and I were in Winnipeg, Alaska, and
it was negative twenty and the city keeps moving because
it's Winnipeg. And we went to this restaurant and there's
three hostesses there who were all young women and clothes
on point, hair machine, skin immaculate, like skin like they
worked Sephora, and then outfit like they worked at Arizia.
(08:06):
And it was just rude. It's just rude. In the
deep winter to look presentable whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
It's No'll figure I'll figure it out because I don't
like not knowing how to like conquer stupid things like that.
So I will figure it out and then catch me
next winter. And I watch out to the al man,
who's the only person I see every day.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I've made peace with having snot icicles for two and
a half months of the year and that's just my look.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, I love how you want to move to England.
It's like this is that hair all the time?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Me?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, you're you're well, you love a bit of England,
don't you.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I everybody, oh, everybody fantasizes about England, and then I
hear the reality from you, and I'm like, maybe I
should just stay in New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Good you call?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
You think there's a girl in London being like, one
day I want to be in New Jersey where the
lights are.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Conan did probably Conan, Yes, Conan did he? Where did
he go? He was in Ireland and he was with
a young woman she was probably I don't know, eighteen,
and she had a Wisconsin sweatshirt on and he was like,
why do you have that? And she's like, I've always
wanted to go to Wisconsin in like an Irish accent,
and he was like why, and she goes, I just
think the name is wonderful. So yeah, I'm sure there is.
(09:24):
Everybody wants some weird version of what they don't have.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Yeah you know.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Oh wait, I have a take me to London sweater on.
I'm so stupid. Okay, Harley, what did you find out
about Matt on the internet? Oh?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, I forgot we were even talking about that. You've
been on the Probably Science podcast a couple of times.
It's one of my favorite podcasts.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Love those guys love.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah, it was my introduction to you. Yeah, so what
made you like return to the show.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I was promoting my special I see, I like it Matt.
Matt Kushion is a is a math major, and I
think someone else in the podcast is an electrical engineer,
Andy Wood, and I can really nerd out about math.
You if you listen to the podcast a bit indulgently,
sometimes there's.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
You.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I think one of the first ones you were talking
about neanderthal DNA. Oh, I did like a twenty three
in May, and apparently I've got more neanderthal DNA than
named eighty five percent of the population that I believe
that a second, and that's was devastating news. I don't know, isn't.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Isn't it Europeans or more Neanderthal based? Isn't maybe the
crow magnets or whoever? The Homo sapiens came out of
the fertile questions and found this kind of subspecies and
then was like, we're gonna kill them after we breathe
with them a little bit.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Sounds like me, yep, that's my motivation podcast.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
You've got a lot on, haven't you. You've got your
pun championships, your comedy career, your sculptures, you swim in
like not many people live as full of life as you.
How do you focus?
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I don't, Okay, not at all. It's trouble with it.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
It's like, is there no joining of the docks? No?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
I mean sometimes I can per fixate on things, but
I just have such a hard time just prioritizing tasks
and getting them done on the right order. And so
many days were spent just like contemplating what I need
to do first and doing nothing as a result. My
brother had a good explanation of add's I did one
tenth of ten things. You never accomplished one thing. You
(11:47):
just you ship away a bunch of tasks and kind
of move away from it. So I'd love to be
able to focus, but it feels like my brain is
just fried and unable to lock into a task. I'm jealous.
My fiance is German and it was a pro swimmer
and can just really just disappear into a book for
nine hours.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, but you seem to have got good at all
of these things despite that.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
What do you say to that?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I thank you?
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Yeah, the whole uh. Gabor Mate has a book about
add which is trying to reframe it from your It's
not focus. It's that you need constant validation. It's that
you need everyone to like you and approve of you
and every moment so you look for You can only
be motivated through something if you're getting validation for what
you're doing as you're doing it, which is why I
stand up. I can kind of focus on because I'm
(12:36):
in front of people and getting an audible register of
them liking me every twelve seconds. So yeah, that I
can tend to focus on, Oh you like me, they
don't like me. I got to make them like me again,
so that probably y'all focus people.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I think I'm yet to meet, and your typical comedian.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
I would imagine it's not common. There is a are
you a stand up yourself?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Hell no, absolutely not, absolutely not. No. I direct sex scenes, Matthew.
I am an instusy coordination.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Not in porn, in corn, in very risk television and film.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
I'm sorry, what a moment your career, your work, line
of work is having.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Haley, Yeah, sh it's going down.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
I didn't know that was a job title, and now
I think forty percent of people suddenly have an opinion
on it.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, Yeah, it's it's interesting times. It's it was a
it was a loud uprising and then it all settled
down and now it's going crazy again. Mm hmmm m
there's a bit of a pushback, but you know what,
it'll level out eventually.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Well, and Ewan McGregor loves you, so that's all that
care that matters me.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yeah, I think it's I mean, what's going on is
bad between those two tabloid stars. I'm not going to
comment on that because there's I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Know what is your comment on the current Yeah, I
can't be anywhere near that but.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
No, but it does mean well it makes people like
me the laborerson like me being like, oh yeah, that
probably is something they need on set, and how important
that must be. In realizing that, I was always thought like,
my nightmare scenario is doing a sex scene in a movie,
Like that's the scariest thing. Yeah, it's like dancing in public.
That's just like, Oh, I'd be so afraid to do
(14:21):
it and everything would happen.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, it's terrifying.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
It's terrifying.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah, it is, even for people who have done it loads,
it's terrifying.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yeah, we'll both have an acting background. Is that your
connection to entertainment directly?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
No. I was a theater director until COVID happened, and
I had three shows out during like when COVID hit,
so basically our theater company just died. I was like,
what do I do with all my qualifications. I've done
all this content based kind of practice and stuff, and
they were kind of hiring intimacy coordinators at that and
(14:56):
that time it was the same time as the Me
Too movement, so I kind of just qualified in that area.
Whilst move in my writing and directing, I've just screen
as well.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Oh cool, that's fast.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, shifted it all across.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I want to be an actor, but I don't know
how to get an agent. So we're here. We are
thirty one years later, and I'm still on Google. I
guess Google wasn't around when I decided this.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
But so that it's like having a famous parent, I
hear that can really help.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I said to my dad, ja're tired. And I said
to my dad, can you please like become a produced
like just call yourself a producer and then I'll immediately
just have an in. And he said no, and then
he went coughing.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
So can I Can I share with you something that
will make you feel a lot better? Yes, if you
ever want to just feel tremendously better about yourself, Google
NEPO kids who didn't make it. It is consu that
it's so great. It's a good list too. You're like,
oh they really the Beckham kid couldn't break through?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Oh boy, Haley is your dog?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Okay? Yeah, I don't even know how to deal with that.
We just needs to make it like well in there
with my dog. Oh a dog. I've got two Border
Collie Beagle crosses and they're crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I'll ask my question yeah, We're enjoying our conversation so much.
I'm like, wait, should I have non move on?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Okay, Oh, I'm gonna like drag it down though. Sorry everyone,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I'm I'm just googling Neo baby Zoo.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I'm fascinated because I come from East Coast, everyone like
goes into finance. Everyone's in finance. My dad worked on
Wall Street, my grandfather worked on Wall Street, my uncle
worked on Wall Street. My brother works in finance. Like,
it's just fine, It's just finance. And I know that
world is like so horrible and intense, and like you're
(16:51):
just signing up for essentially because it's a good job
to have if you want to be able to support yourself.
So whoops, my mistake. But I'm wondering, what is there
one singular moment where you were like, I can't did
you ever see did you see what movie?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Was it?
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
My gosh, short, No, no, no, I'm going Disney. There's
a Oh it was Soul. It was Pixar the movie Soul. Yes,
And then and then the guy like wakes up and
he's got all his monitors and he like shows them
out of the way and he's I saw it with
my brother and he was like, oh my god, that
hit me really hard. So I'm wondering if you had
a moment where you were like that's it, or if
(17:31):
it happened over time and then you slowly moved into comedy.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
So my role in finance was was not ibanker. It
was I made a modest salary, working nine to five,
doing mostly spreadsheets, nothing high risk, nothing high stress. I
was maybe going to move try to work my way
up towards you know, more direct money management, but for wealthy,
private individuals, private wealth, you know, so just helping people
(17:57):
who already had a lot of money make sure their
money made me money. And I didn't like the nature
of the work. I also just there was kind of
this thing that lingered over me that I was creating
nothing that I had. There's no product in finances. You
just take money and it becomes more money, and there's
no goods or service that really transacted. And I don't know,
(18:20):
there was a moment. There was one thing I felt.
I've noted this on other podcasts, but it's something that
felt really rotten. Was I would have to log in
every day and look at everyone's account balances and just
a lot with transactions. And when I logged into Wells Fargo,
it would say holdings and transactions, And when I logged
into a City Bank, it would say positions and history.
(18:43):
And when I logged into JP Morgan it would say
securities and you know, trades, and it was all the
same information. Those are all synonyms, but the fact that
they were different on every website was indicating to me
they wanted people to feel stupid. The industry isn't about
making people savvy with their own finances. It's to use
(19:05):
big words until they felt confused enough to let you
do it for them. And I don't think basic finance
is very technically challenging. I think a lot more people
could handle it than they think they could. The job
of financiers, especially in private wealth, is to make people
feel like they can't more than it is to make
money for them. So that was always rotten. And when
I started doing comedy, I would say on the other
(19:26):
side of that, when I started selling T shirts at
comedy shows, it was the first time really in my
life that I gave a good and exchange for money
where I'm like, here's the thing, here's a tangible token
of the money I earned, and that felt good. I
was like, look at me exchanging engaging in commerce. I've
(19:46):
either pulled jokes for money, hoping of doing a thing
I love, hoping I get paid, or I, you know,
do this weird three caired Monty trick that is finance,
and always felt weird and rotten. Didn't never felt good,
even like making bomb would at least be making something.
This is what my brother does. Oh, he works for
(20:09):
he makes, he does.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I was gonna say legally or illegally because.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
He kind of makes it differently.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Wow, well look at that. It's like, yeah, if you
if you have no personal connection to bomb making, and
that was the first thing that came to your mind,
I would have been like, that's a little bit of
a red flag.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Let's look at search history.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, yeah, that Google history.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, mancuse Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Bombs by people who love the government or hate the
government exclusively, either you make them in your pacement or
you make them raytheon.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Mm hmmm mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I don't know what to say without getting councils.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
So why don't you move us on?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
And I'm gonna move us on. So you obviously had
this big old career shift. But well, I don't imagine
that came particularly easily, did it? So like, have you
got a story from your kind of career moving to comedy?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Oh it was so sorry, sorry, go on, go on.
It wasn't a shift. I got fired. My My goal
was always one thing I did retain from my parents
was the practicality of don't ever take a leap that
you don't think you're qualified for. Don't ever take a leap.
If you can't, you can't. But I did my job.
I got on Comedy Central pretty early on, and I
took a vacation day to go film, and I came
(21:30):
back to work on Monday. I had basically discussed with
my boss, who was very supportive of, you know, trying
to have me stay on board with the company and
while while kind of moving to LA to try to
get closer to the action. My my goal was to
keep that job for years and years and years, and
you know, white quit a good thing. And I got
fired so fast. I really I can't say the details
(21:52):
of it, but I screwed up really bad. And as
basically as soon as I stepped foot in California with
this cozy job that I could work remote. It was gone.
So I was exactly in the position I would work
so hard to avoid, which was just being in LA
with no career prospects. And it was the most terrifying experience.
It was one of the worst days of my life.
(22:15):
It was. It was really tough. And then things worked out.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Like I'm glad, Yeah, yeah, that'd be a sucky end.
And then the thing ever worked out, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Because so many people make that move without the proper
financial background, like you know, without the safety in it,
and then they just then then then their bank account
turns into a shot clock, and then they suddenly have
to come back to wherever they came from and kind
of reset and you know, with a with a little
bit less confidence than the first time. And just having
that practicality was such a was such a boost.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Well I didn't have it.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I was gonna ask you if, well, that might be it,
but like, yeah, you have a particular kind of story
of where you've been, like in your comedy career, and
you've kind of gone, I don't even know why I'm
doing this anymore, Like the moment where you're like, oh,
I might just chat this all in have you ever
had one of.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Those no good Not really, it's so about maybe I've
had some nights where I talked about quitting.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
But yeah, yeah, like a bad one. You must have
had a bad gig.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Oh, of course plenty.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Never but it's never made you want to quit planning.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
But the thing that does get me is I can
bad sets are bad sets. It's always gonna hurt. But
like the travel was what was getting to me, and
watching the thing lately that's been just daunting is like
I've worked so hard for this and I have a
version of it that my previous self would be very
proud of. But I would like to start a family
in the next couple of years. I found an amazing partner,
(23:57):
which feels like I'm, in a cheesy way, a much
bigger achievement than having a career, is not you know,
having a having a really good partner is is so
rare and so wonderful and feels I know it's not
more rare, but it feels more rare if it is
more blessed. And wanting to make sure I give that
what it deserves, gives her what she deserves, and then
have a family would be always been an aspiration of
(24:19):
mind and with the way I travel now, either I
have to make a lot more money and travel less
or basically not be around as a dad. So that
gets me and looking like maybe moving to a cozier
place and kind of, you know, easing off the accelerator
career wise.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Once, Yeah, Well no, I'm not going to get to
a head of in your your life there, Matt. But
I was like, once the family comes, this might this
answer might change. What a creepy thing for me to say.
What I loved that whole thing because I totally agree.
What would you say your definition of making it is
(25:08):
in life or career?
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Can I can? I answer like a couple of different answers, Yes,
go follow the one that early on, when I was
starting comedy, I would like, maybe once a month, get
to do a weekend spot at the club. And that
was when everyone It was in Houston, and when everyone
came out and the room was full, and I got
to do ten minutes in front of a crowd that
was there to laugh, and it was I spent the
whole week doing open Mike's, the whole month doing open mics,
(25:31):
and here we are in front of paying audiences. And
it was just such a dream. It was what comedy
like was meant to be and so rarely could be.
And my dream was, could I get to do that
every night? Could I go up? Could I move to
a city where there's as a Saturday level show happening
every night and every night I could look forward to
going out and performing comedy and it's its best form.
(25:52):
And I achieved that not too long ago in New
York City, where I just have enough shows in a
given week that I am not wanting of more good
shows and good crowds. But that was good. That's kind
of my myopic definition. The better one I want to
steal from Maddie Smith. It's just having a variety of
(26:12):
engaging work, not just doing stand because that can get
really boring, but like feeling really challenged in new ways
constantly within this passion you have. So I would love
to act and write and keep doing stand up, or
do sketch or whatever, do a panel show, any of it,
all of it, just to kind of experience everything. And
that to me is like really making it feeling like
(26:34):
just a balanced meal, working out every muscle group.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, love that. Yeah, it's a very add answer as
well it's.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
So it's just a good use because when you say
I'm so, I'm also very scatterbrain and all over the place.
Like even me taking a math class would be like
when I was in college. I first of all, I
didn't go even to do my freshman year until I
think I was twenty two or twenty three. Like that's
how I got m I took the idea of math.
(27:04):
That was my math class. Like we just discussed the
like idea of math, and we didn't math. It was
me and all those it was me and all the athletes,
all the athletes who like didn't have time to like
take and I was like just sitting there, like let's
think about math.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
It's so patronized it as a title.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I signed up though, I was like, sign me up.
I'm gonna go to my and then like my cinematography
class and then let me just think about math for
an hour. Anyway, my point is is that I find
it so interesting that what I do well for other
people is is keep them. But I agree with that answer,
like there's so many things I want to do, and
yet I'm like very scatter brained, and yet I make
(27:47):
my living organizing creative people to be more.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Yeah, that's so interesting. So I do a lot of
my own I do all my own social media now,
I edit clips and make sure I post them on
different platforms and different links and keep track of promotion.
It's right now with my special editing, my special down
to clips. It's been yeah, hours and hours a week,
you know, you know, ten twenty hours a week, like
basically a full on job. Yeah, And I hate how
(28:14):
much I enjoy it because unlike everything else in my life,
there is a start in a finish line. There is
a linear movement towards progress that I just don't get
with creative pursuits. So I can oddly find myself getting
really lost and having a lot of fun. Ye, what
is basically actuarial work. I might as well be an
(28:36):
accountant with how tedious the work is. And I use
it as a distraction from what I need to be doing,
which is writing more and pursuing the creative side of things.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
It probably feels like that to you because it's your
own material. Like I find when I do our clips
and our stuff for the podcast, it feels totally different
than when I'm like trying to help someone turn something
into the biggest version, even if it's like a ninety
second clip of a stand up joke. Like I think
when there's a when you're doing it for someone else,
(29:06):
it's like a different mindset than when you're doing.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
It less a lot less fun I take it.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
No, I I think it's I think it's not it
not less or more. I think it's just like I
have a different I think the more brains on on
things like the in terms of ideas, well, not more
than you could get a ton and then it could
all just be gobbledygook. But like I think getting advice
from other people and having someone else look at things
and like give you feedback is like I love being
(29:35):
able to be like what if we tried this or
I cut together this video? Like that kind of roasts you,
But I think it's funny. Like I there's a different
we see ourselves in our own work differently than than
when we're looking at yeah, somebody else.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
I'm I'm I think I get. Maybe the comparison I
would have is that you know when I when I
decide on everything for myself, I really get conflicted about
small decisions.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
And yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Really yeah, waste time on that. But I end up
writing for other people a lot. I get hired to
write for people for fool things, and there is a
satisfaction of writing a joke for someone and hearing them
tell it. Yeah, is sometimes a little better than having
done it for myself, because it's all upside. I don't,
I don't. It's like, it's like it's like finance, where
(30:22):
you you like the kind of drill Dyl's Trump would do,
where he'd he if it profits, he profits, and then
if it loses money, he loses nothing. It's it's just
it's all upside or it's it works flat.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just plateau or upwards.
So if you had to give a chapter title that
sums up your career journey so far, and I will
(30:54):
give you examples from previous guests, please what would it be?
And we've had, we've had, Please tell me the catering's good,
we've had I'm scared. Please hire me. We've had, uh,
finally some stability at least for now, what Haley, any
(31:16):
other just any other favorites that come to mind. I
feel like the only person who gave us one that
wasn't out of complete fear was Donnie Wolb. That's probably
because it's he's just like chilling. But I feel like
everyone okay, it's all yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Donnie was like, it's all gonna be all right, and
I was like, okay.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Always are you still trying to be funny?
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Are you still trying to be funny? That was a
good one. Margaret Chow was was was nice too. Ever
evolving adventure. Yeah, so any just any again, this can change.
John mcgaro hashtagged in his title of the year because
he was like, it's gonna change. You can take take
(32:00):
your time. We will sit here so.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Heavy handed, but it'd probably be something to the effect
of winter hmm.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Let me think, Yeah, they think about it.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
I'm not I can't get the wording precise, but it's
the idea is you know, how much evidence do you
need to start believing in yourself? Finally, Oh, it would
be I guess that's still a negative way, but I'd
like to think it's a positive thing of Yeah, self
doubt it is back and if you're you have all
the evidence you need to believe in yourself, you have
such an abundance. And I'm not giving it a title,
(32:34):
but yeah, how about believe in yourself. Dummy would be
my Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Well who called themselves recently? Someone said stoop oh yeah, yeah,
something about being stupid. Yeah, people get really mad at
themselves in these titles. Really very telling.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yeah, it's where I am thirteen and a half years
into this and I'm kind of just all at once
just covering that, you know, being critical of yourself. You
think it's this this way to like, you know, whip
yourself into into productivity, and it's it's so the opposite.
And and you you want to scrutinize everything you do
(33:13):
as as a fluke or as a you know, just
a lucky break. And it's like at some point you
need to look at all the factors and say, I'm
I'm the variable here. It's it's it's you know, being
being egocentric is obviously very inhuman nature and and it's
gonna really you know, uh, mess up our observations and hypotheses.
(33:37):
But also constantly doubting yourself is just as bad of science.
So that's my Yeah, trusting myself more.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
The the rugby the female rugby player, is it alone? Ilona?
Who the imposter syndrome? Did that clip? Is that what
you're talking about when they were like Haley, they were like, one,
you know, how do you deal with imposter syndrome? And
She's like I don't get it, Like I just don't
have it because well because she's like I worked my
(34:08):
ass you know, like being a Rubbley player is professionally
is in of itself, is any professional athlete. I mean, Matt,
I'm sure with your fiance, it's like you cannot be.
I mean, that's the most intense work and dedication. Yeah,
and then she worked her ass off on her personal
publicity and then to be like, oh, yeah, I shouldn't
(34:28):
feel this way. It's like no, it was really It's
a really good clip.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
So jealous of her. Did you see the joke Go
see walk clip where she talked about how she was
on some podcasts and she said, you know when I
when I kicked the can, scientists are gonna have to
study my brain because like I remember, I didn't even
like do math. And I tried math one time and
I just like went to the back of the book
and I got the first I got all the problems correct,
and I didn't even know how I did it, and
did like an Einstein's I'm not even doing service to
(34:54):
how ridiculous it was. This is I'm not being hyperbolic.
She was truly like I just like did it all
on my head and like it was like the teachers
are like what I was like, yeah, and I don't
even care about this and that was that was me
and matth and like, of course she's famous. Of course,
a person like that who never for a second doubts
themselves will see everything as achievable and any any failure
(35:18):
of that being no, no, no, that's just wrong. I'm going
to keep going because clearly I am unencumbered by the
reality of the situation, and you'll just keep charging ahead.
The thing that slows you down isn't your failures, it's
it's over analyzing yourself and questioning whether you're you're worthy
or not. That's just dead weight that most successful people
are just egomaniac narcissists. And I wish I could indulge
(35:43):
in that a little more.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I wish Yeah, yeah, you've got the goods to bucket up. Mah,
like you read your CV like, I don't know, it
feels like there needs to be a Netflix series about
you or something.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Oh, thank you. I appreciate that you do that much stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Oh, I'm I have and they're all in random places
like this. It's just it's like, I do this, and
I do this, and I do this.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
I've been blessed to have hobbies and I am very grateful.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
That's great and like, isn't that like, yeah, a celebration
of the hobby.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Yes, that's one thing I learned from my fiance, who was,
you know, at the top of the swimming world. And
when I met her, I found it very interesting because
she had more balance to her life than I did.
She understood that the best athlete, you still needed to
have a social life, You still needed to involge in
a good trip every once in a while. The people
who really buried their head and charged forward and made
(36:34):
no concessions for their personal well being tended to not
perform as well at the end of the season. The
people needed be at least ten percent of persons results.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
M M.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
In comedy, that's almost more true, because I have to
have a life. If I just went out and did
wrote all day and they did spots at night, there
would be nothing to write about.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, that's very true.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I really I.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Oh, no, one of my friends is a stand up
and she uh, she texted me a screenshot the other
day because her ex like text her out of nowhere
and it was this ridiculous text. She got this ridiculous
question about like a recent event from him, and she
was like, I'm so glad he texted me though, And
I was like why and she's like, because I needed
new material.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
It's like, yeah, that's true. I guess you gotta keep
like having all this crazy stuff happened, because otherwise it's, uh,
it's gonna be recycled.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
There was, Yeah, that's so good. There's a song by
Oh who is It? By Heart and a Cage? I
know that there's a cover by is it the It's
Julian Casablancas, whatever band he was in, The Kinks, the Kooks,
the the Shin, the Hives.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Whatever coods, chins or Hives, one of those.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I feel like because she's the other san.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Oh yeah, yeah, that does sound like something you type
into WebMD what I just said. The Strokes, he Strove,
the Strokes, Love the Strokes. One of my favorite songs
ever is a cover of that song, but the opening
line is like, don't feel better when I'm fucking around,
But I don't write better when I'm stuck in the
ground and just the constant torture. I'm stuck in a city,
(38:08):
but I belong in a field of like to be
the best artist you can be, you need misery. Uh,
it's it's I don't think that's fully true, but I
get I get the conflict there. I think we as
this society right now, tend to really prioritize suffering in
a way that we don't need to for for career.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, Morrissey's built his entire career on it.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Well, and you go to you go home alone and
you want to die. Yeah, the sad lyrics of any
song ever. You think when he has a good day,
he's sad because he's like, what do I write about?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah? He needs it, he needs any soul, he needs it. Misery,
my goodness, I'll not know. I'm not miserable. No, I
can't believe it just ended an episode in Morrissey.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Matt, How do I come see you do stand up.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
In New York?
Speaker 4 (38:57):
I mean any and out of the week you want
to come see a show? Me know? And if I'm
in town, I would love to have you there, all right? Yeah,
come to the city, across that, across that, husband.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
I mean, I was doing it all the time. I
was taking a sketch class at UCB before the temperature
just decided to really drop and I would take the
ferry and it's pretty quick and easy. And then that ended,
and then winter came.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Mm hmmm, and then.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Can't figure it out for the life of me. And
I'm gonna I don't like not, I'm gonna get it
under control. But but yes, I'm coming in because it's
just a way for me to get free tickets to entertainment.
To be honest with you, on Cola Scola, Oh that
would be amazing.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
I saw one of the last performances with them. It
did my god. It was worth every time.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Oh man, I know I wanted to go, but I
could not. The ticket was so expensive. I just was like,
I cannot.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
I was in the dog cast with my fiance and
needed to do something big.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
So oh, Mike, nice, nice, that's that would do it? Yeah,
I mean, yeah, I would have gone if I could,
but I just had to live vicariously through people that
I know who went, and if anyone.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
Listening, it's curious that we're talking about Oh Mary Cola
Scola was the writer and star. And now when your
friends go what is O Mary, you can say you
haven't heard of it?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
It's yeah, cool, Hally, that's for you. Yeah, you're welcome. Thanks,
Except it's never going to be it's never gonna sound
as cool when it's coming from America. I know.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Hamilton.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
I love Hamilton. It's my favorite musicals.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
I think New York is the exception to someone in Texas.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
That's probably that's probably true. New York is Emily.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
He's just in love with England for no apparent reason.
It's awful. Hey, it's awful.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I blame the Harry Potter books.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yeah, it's not like that.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
That's I'm rereading the third one right now for the
millionth time. I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
I found London good, not that great. It didn't. I
was like, can I talk my trash on it?
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yeah, go for it in London. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
This is the part of the podcast where we shit
on the United Kingdom. Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
So I only.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Experienced it because I was working there for two three
weeks doing a film project, and I was doing a
lot of comedy there. But this is kind of get
me in trouble. London likes to compare itself to New York.
It's it's more like why no, it's like it's it's
it's north of Chicago, but it's south of New York
City in terms of like where it falls culture, I
didn't think it was like as big, and I don't.
(41:51):
I don't mean on global impactic with like activity. Everything
closes early, it's not as loud, there's not as much
to do. New York City is twice the the the
rumble and noise in terms of just the culture and
and and and just stuff to go see and do.
I did find it truly wonderful that people cuta the
way they did on the two that, like I wish,
(42:13):
I didn't know that could exist people.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
I didn't get you guys where that isn't just built
into your court. It baffles me how anything ever happens
without queuing.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
It only no, the only excuse me I will speak though,
as the one American woman in this conversation. The cues,
the endless, pointless cues happen in the women's bathroom. That
that's when that happens. They're all reserved for lines in
the bathroom and then you look and you go there's
no one in any of these stalls and we're all
just standing here like sheep. But yeah, that's that's where
(42:45):
it happens. Yeah, yeah, nowhere where it needs to.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
I try and make our mission to bring any Americans
who I know to the North of England because I
think it's much more interesting and much more beautiful. It's poorer,
but it's better. But Emily won't come because we haven't
got air conditioning in the North.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
I would love to see the North.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
I something because I don't have any money. Well that
as well, that as well this sweater and then I said,
well that's all I had, So someday I will come
and visit.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
I'll find you somewhere with air con And yes.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
I would find a place with air conditioning and come
visit you. I just need to have a savings count.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
But Matthew, we have comedy clubs in the North.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Yeah, I will say Top Secret in London was truly
the best crowds I've ever performed.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Right, it's top Secret. That's where Andrew Mensor is a lot.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
Yeah, it's it's because I was like the first time
I went up, I was like, oh that was Was
that the best show I've ever done? And I was like, man,
you just high off of the set And the next
time I'm like, was that? And I kept and because
in America we have fire codes and that that room
everyone would die.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Oh it's such a good club that it's always great atmosphere.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Oh that is where Andrew. I always see Andrews videos
are from top secret.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah, it's hard to get on the on the billet
top secret as well.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
Yes it is. Yeah, it's it's competitive. But that was
That's a great room. So I really enjoyed that, and
the crowds are great. I wonder if my material would
need some translation for the North of lot of England.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Haley could do it for you potentially. Yeah, the translator
in the corner.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Absolutely need a Yorkshire translator.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
Yeah. It's so weird when you're doing a joke and
you think everything's going to work and then you're like, oh, yeah,
they don't know what third grade means. That eat the
cultural transliteration.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
And you know what, I think we're so americanized over it. Now.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
No, you just said you were going to run a
ten k and I was like, I don't have any idea,
how far that is a bit miles?
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Okay, well yeah, muss you straight in there with I'm
not with the math.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
I'm telling you. I'm telling you, don't look in the number.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
It resembles the Fibonacci sequence. If you happen to know that,
which is one of my favorite facts, that the golden
ratio is near, is very close to the conversion rate
from miles to kilometers?
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Was that in?
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Was that in the da Vinci code?
Speaker 4 (45:11):
Rob People love to mystify the Fibonacci sequence. The only
reason I know what it is probably easy. Great if
you take the numbers one and one, and then you
add them together, you get too Oh yeah, it was three.
And then if you actually look at those, each term
in miles is the next term in kilometers. She was one, one, two, three, five, eight, thirteen.
(45:33):
So like a five k is about three miles, an
eight k is about five miles, a thirteen k is
about eight miles, And holy shit, it's really neat.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
I've been I've been doing that mass in my head
without I'm like Jojo Siwa when.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
You were stuck, when you're doing it, when you were
saying that, all I heard in my head was a
dial up internet noise. Nothing made sense.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I've just been doing it. Wow.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
Hey, did you never have interest in being on stage?
Did you always like, always like to be behind the
clipboard curtains.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
I came into it a funny way because like, I
don't know what you'd call it there, I'm counsel scum,
so like i'd be from the projects. Oh whatever, I
think in your end. Yeah, And I didn't know that
you could have jobs in these kinds of things. So
I went and became a teacher. But I did a few,
(46:30):
like amateur dramatic productions, and I realized I wasn't a performer,
but I quite like writing stuff, and that's how I
got into it. So I guess I had a moment
of performing that made me go, oh, I don't like
that feeling.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
So you didn't even know it was an option to
do this as a career.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
No, no, no, just like really lucky to me a
good English teacher and then could become an English teacher
and then realize that you could be a drama teacher
as well, and then I kind of fell to it
like that.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
Yeah, Emily, you always had stars in your eyes? Was
it always? Were you like a theater kid.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Once I learned I couldn't become a cat. I saw
Wizard of Oz when I was four. Wait, okay, here's
my story, you guys. No one's gonna care.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
I was four.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
My middle name is Dorothy, so I was like, this
movie is about me, obviously. And then my preschool was
like we're gonna or nursery school was like we're gonna
put it on. I auditioned, didn't get Dorothy. I told
my teacher I was miscast. She was like, you're four.
So then as revenge, I dressed up as Dorothy.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Oh my god, as if you have props, I know this.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
This this is my little motivation thing, like keep going Lah,
remember your innocent. I dressed up as her like every day,
all the time because I was like, you can't tell
me I'm not Dorothy. And then I wanted to act
ever since then. And then I was a theater kid
all through school, in high school and college. And then
I moved to LA and was like so stressed out
for ten years that I didn't really do much of
(47:58):
anything other than I was a cast says In at
Warner Brothers and Amazon Studios for a couple of movies
and TV shows for a few years. Cool, and then
I was like, I have no money and my car
is gonna be re nude and it's six hundred dollars
and that's ridiculous. And gas in New Jersey is like
three bucks. Yeah, So then I moved.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Back, and.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
I'm very happy that I did. Yeah, even pre fires,
nothing nothing, nothing, Yeah, nothing makes you really sure, like
a post apocalyptic like explosion fire. But maybe someone someday,
someone will just knock on my door and be like,
we smelled potential over here. That's how it works. Yeah,
I've had they just show up at your house with
(48:43):
the big publisher's clearing house check.
Speaker 4 (48:45):
I have immense respect for actors because I've booked things
over the years as an actor, but I've always looked
at the math and said, if I was just acting
and this was all I booked, that I would have
ran out of money, uh, three weeks in. I've never
I've never made enough money to pay my rents for
more than two consecutive months with acting. Like maybe I've
(49:05):
had one month where I had enough to like pay
the bills, but then it was like two years again
before I booked anything. So I don't know how actors
make it, and I have the leg up of being
a stand comedian, which is a huge boon. Yeah, and
still it hasn't been enough to keep regular work. So
I have immense admiration. Again, famous parents, you can make
this happen.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
I everyone make them up, Like, just create some parents.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
What last name should I hitch?
Speaker 2 (49:31):
I'm I just picked some celebrities, Just say them. That's
my woman. Dad?
Speaker 4 (49:35):
See for your dad is like some like title like
Count Capello or like Duke Capello.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
What was funny? I'll I'll end us here because I
will wrap us up. But what was funny? When I
was at Warner Brothers. My dad's name is Dan Cappello.
The head of construction at Warner Brothers at the time
was Dan Capello, which is so random because I've never
met another Capello, let alone. So I was like, I
would call you know for whatever we needed done, and
(50:04):
they'd be like, it's Dan's daughter. And I never corrected
them because one that's technically true, and two things would
get done so much faster and like on time and
simpler because I was really I was related to Dan
Cappello ahead of construction Warner Brothers. Then Dan retired and
we have a bit of a problem.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
But it does.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
It does pay to be in the family. Uh whatever
whatever family needs be. So I had a little glimpse
of that, but that doesn't translate to the current situation. Unfortunately.
Speaker 4 (50:42):
I would love if you got caught. They're like, wait,
you were lying, Like no, I just thought you guys
are a big fan of financiers. I thought you guys
were all about wall Streech.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yes, yes, yeah, there was a d Capello parking space.
And you know how hard it is to get yes
to get you know how hard it is to get
your name's bray painted on a block of concrete at
Warner Brothers. It was next to a Sorkin Like, are
you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (51:06):
So yeah, mudness mm hmmmmmm.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
Anyway, Matt, thank you so much for your time than
for having me.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
This has been very easy and fun. We've dissed England,
We've we've we've attacked Joe Joe Siwa Los Angeles, which
is a community in crisis right now.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
I like to think Jojo was attached with respect. Sure, yeah,
I would.
Speaker 4 (51:36):
Say, yeah it. She has admirable qualities. The leader I was.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
I just think it's funny because like whenever I'd be
out and about and I'd see her car because it's
wrapped in her own face shows you didn't know this,
No hold on you guys, and then I and then
I have I will have to wait.
Speaker 4 (51:55):
Okay, I want to guess the make and model.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Okay, go for it. No Kaylee, don't look it up.
Tell me what you think it is.
Speaker 4 (52:01):
Okay, wrapped, I'm either like between like portion Kia Soul. Uh,
I'm gonna say, God, I don't know, I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Is she a Tesla girl?
Speaker 1 (52:17):
So it is the Tesla Suv?
Speaker 4 (52:20):
Shut up?
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Oh my god. I was right and I didn't even
look at up a promise.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
Wow, it's all pictures of her face.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
That's awful.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
So I'd be like at in and out Burger and
I'd be like, oh Jojo Cio was in front of me.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
Anyway. On that note, that's what I think you should have, Matthia.
Speaker 4 (52:39):
But a Kia Soul oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
Have it be like a really like yeah a car
that that yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
It'll be your family car, but with your face all
over it.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
How to make it is reported from a closet in
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Hi, I'm Emily and I'm Hailey. After meeting online, we
became international best friends who bonded over how hard it
is to find success in the entertainment industry.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Join us and our celebrity co authors as they help
us write the book on how to make.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
It and, more importantly, uncover what making it even means?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
May that made us sound so much more serious than
we actually are?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Should we switch roles on this time? Okay, see that's
the intro, Hi.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Many, It was Matthecressard, and I wanted to be like
dream job would have been like designing toys. That would
probably if you'd asked me when I was very little,
be sa like I sculpted and I'm like that would
be a cool. Job was just to make characters out
of clay.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I didn't Christmas elf?
Speaker 4 (00:59):
What's that like?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
A Christmas Elf?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yes? Like?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
What?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Like Buddy theel? I didn't. I didn't aspire towards anything
in the entertainment industry until a lot later. I didn't.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Really, Yeah, that's healthy, I think. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Gave me very realistic expectations of any job that's fun.
You're probably not going to make a living yet.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
And then and then you just said. I'll listen to
that up until a certain point, and then.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Up until I realized it was a lie. Yeah, myself,
and to take a risk at least it would not
even take a risk, just give it a try. Yeah,
how about you? Would you want to be when you
grew up?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
The first thing that I wanted to be was a cat.
I was three years old and my dad told me
I could be anything I wanted, and I said, I
want to be a cat because I liked perching on
things and staring at people. And then he told me,
you can't be a cat because you're a person.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Emily.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
If we go back that far, I think I could
change my ands to the power ranger, because that certainly
was a career aspiration. I don't know what the pay
is like for power rangers. I don't know the perks
of the job, but good good office culture if nothing else.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
And you get a cool sung m you you do.
I wanted to be a vet ma. So this this
is quite I don't know, it's quite telling of our relationship,
is an Emily.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yes, Haley would have ended up having to deal with
me one way or the other, and we all failed,
so real good for us.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
So that's aspirational, right and not like a super like
very few people make it like everyone's. Whenever a job
is like fun and aspirational, it becomes incredibly hard to
make it in that industry. I feel like, no.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Coincidentally, then, my parents took me to see Cats on Broadway,
and it's my least favorite thing that's ever happened to me,
so so that I remember they had like the people
out during intermission and like mister Mestopheles is like junk,
was like very clear through his outfit and they were like,
he can come, and I was like, please get him
away from me. So so now we move into a
(03:07):
section where we tell you two random facts that we
found out about you on the internet, and mine is
that you taught a math class, I believe last year
in New Jersey, which is where I currently am sitting,
not in the math class in New Jersey, and I
just would love to hear how that came about and
where that was and everything.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yes, so I studied math in college. I still tutor
math for a nonprofit independently of that incident. But I
have a website where I draw puzzles. They're pun puzzle
it's well, it's tricky to explain how they work, but
it's called Monday punday dot com. And a random teacher
messaged me saying that she was a calculus teacher who
(03:51):
used the puns in class. No, I'm sorry. It wasn't
the teacher, it was the students. Two students messaged me saying,
we do these puzzles with our teacher. Can you give
us help? I said absolutely, who is your teacher? And
they gave me the contact information for the teacher. I
just wanted to reach out and you know, thank her
and tell her I'm also I was also a math major,
so I also love math and really have an appreciation
for math educators. And I think she pitched the idea,
(04:12):
if you want to come in and talk to the students,
and I said, cand of, come in and teach like
a little guest lecture. And at the end of the year,
I think we've done it twice now. I tried to
do it with missus Stanford once once or twice a year,
when you know, when the semesters more or less done,
go in and try to like teach a random subject.
I found fun that could be kind of covered in
one one hour and maybe try to do different lessons
(04:35):
for different classes based on where they are in their learning.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Where in New Jersey was this?
Speaker 4 (04:41):
It was very close to the Tony Soprano House. I
remember I looked on my Google math and the Grano's
house from the Sopranos. I was like, oh, wow, that's
that's where we are.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, very nice, very nice.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Is that near you?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Well?
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I I mean, listen, I just moved back here a
few months ago from Los Angeles, where anything seems now
seems so close, like so kind of but not really.
I mean, there's a there's a an apartment complex that
I can see from my window that was also in
the Sopranos. So we're linked in that way. But I
(05:19):
feel like most of New Jersey has been in the Sopranos.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Where did you live in uh, Los Angeles?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I lived, Oh my gosh. I started in Burbank, then
I was in Pacific Palisades. Then I was in West Hollywood.
I was there for ten years total.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
It we're in West Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Well, well, I call it West Hollywood. I was technically
I was like, I was like, if you if I sneezed,
it would have been technically Hollywood like it would have
made it to Hollywood, like I.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Was Librea or okay, well Librian.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Librea, yeah yeah, but yeah, Hilly, you look like you
wanted to say something. And then I started talking about
New Jersey and then it oh.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
No, it's fun. No, I'm enjoying it. I'm living all
the Alisha, I miss I.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Well, how do you feel as someone who served time
in West Hollywood listening to Pink Pony Club, Because I
feel like it. It's the theme of this podcast, aspirational
little girl in the big city, pursuing her dreams. But boy,
has that been demystified.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I listen. I am glad that there are I am
glad that that someone loves it there.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
It was not me, someone who's a man or a
Russian who can.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
I just like I I'm like, you know, when she says,
Santa Monica, you've been too good to me, I'm like, well,
I'm glad it's being good to someone because other than
getting my hair done there, it served me no purpose
other than being terrified. So I love that. And then,
of course everything that's happened recently, my family's there, they
(06:56):
lost their home. It's then you see, like the people
you love in the community. Whatever. Pre that, I was like,
I should leave. I've hated it for a decade and
I'm still still here. And now I'm in New Jersey
and it's nineteen degrees outside and loving it. So are you.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Actually a cat? Look at your fast side? No, I am.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I need to figure out winter. It's not the temperature,
it's the skin falling off and you know, I put
makeup on and it doesn't like stay on my face
in the winter, and then like I'm bleeding, but I'm
also like my nose is dry, but it's running. So
once I figure that out, and then I like accept
that it's just like a time of year where you're
just like a disgusting, swollen raisin, Yes, then I'll be
(07:42):
good to go.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
We my fiance and I were in Winnipeg, Alaska, and
it was negative twenty and the city keeps moving because
it's Winnipeg. And we went to this restaurant and there's
three hostesses there who were all young women and clothes
on point, hair machine, skin immaculate, like skin like they
worked Sephora, and then outfit like they worked at Arizia.
(08:06):
And it was just rude. It's just rude. In the
deep winter to look presentable whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
It's No'll figure I'll figure it out because I don't
like not knowing how to like conquer stupid things like that.
So I will figure it out and then catch me
next winter. And I watch out to the al man,
who's the only person I see every day.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I've made peace with having snot icicles for two and
a half months of the year and that's just my look.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, I love how you want to move to England.
It's like this is that hair all the time?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Me?
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, you're you're well, you love a bit of England,
don't you.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I everybody, oh, everybody fantasizes about England, and then I
hear the reality from you, and I'm like, maybe I
should just stay in New Jersey.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Good you call?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
You think there's a girl in London being like, one
day I want to be in New Jersey where the
lights are.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Conan did probably Conan, Yes, Conan did he? Where did
he go? He was in Ireland and he was with
a young woman she was probably I don't know, eighteen,
and she had a Wisconsin sweatshirt on and he was like,
why do you have that? And she's like, I've always
wanted to go to Wisconsin in like an Irish accent,
and he was like why, and she goes, I just
think the name is wonderful. So yeah, I'm sure there is.
(09:24):
Everybody wants some weird version of what they don't have.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Yeah you know.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Oh wait, I have a take me to London sweater on.
I'm so stupid. Okay, Harley, what did you find out
about Matt on the internet? Oh?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, I forgot we were even talking about that. You've
been on the Probably Science podcast a couple of times.
It's one of my favorite podcasts.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
Love those guys love.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah, it was my introduction to you. Yeah, so what
made you like return to the show.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I was promoting my special I see, I like it Matt.
Matt Kushion is a is a math major, and I
think someone else in the podcast is an electrical engineer,
Andy Wood, and I can really nerd out about math.
You if you listen to the podcast a bit indulgently,
sometimes there's.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
You.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
I think one of the first ones you were talking
about neanderthal DNA. Oh, I did like a twenty three
in May, and apparently I've got more neanderthal DNA than
named eighty five percent of the population that I believe
that a second, and that's was devastating news. I don't know, isn't.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Isn't it Europeans or more Neanderthal based? Isn't maybe the
crow magnets or whoever? The Homo sapiens came out of
the fertile questions and found this kind of subspecies and
then was like, we're gonna kill them after we breathe
with them a little bit.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Sounds like me, yep, that's my motivation podcast.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
You've got a lot on, haven't you. You've got your
pun championships, your comedy career, your sculptures, you swim in
like not many people live as full of life as you.
How do you focus?
Speaker 4 (11:16):
I don't, Okay, not at all. It's trouble with it.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
It's like, is there no joining of the docks? No?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
I mean sometimes I can per fixate on things, but
I just have such a hard time just prioritizing tasks
and getting them done on the right order. And so
many days were spent just like contemplating what I need
to do first and doing nothing as a result. My
brother had a good explanation of add's I did one
tenth of ten things. You never accomplished one thing. You
(11:47):
just you ship away a bunch of tasks and kind
of move away from it. So I'd love to be
able to focus, but it feels like my brain is
just fried and unable to lock into a task. I'm jealous.
My fiance is German and it was a pro swimmer
and can just really just disappear into a book for
nine hours.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, but you seem to have got good at all
of these things despite that.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
What do you say to that?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
I thank you?
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Yeah, the whole uh. Gabor Mate has a book about
add which is trying to reframe it from your It's
not focus. It's that you need constant validation. It's that
you need everyone to like you and approve of you
and every moment so you look for You can only
be motivated through something if you're getting validation for what
you're doing as you're doing it, which is why I
stand up. I can kind of focus on because I'm
(12:36):
in front of people and getting an audible register of
them liking me every twelve seconds. So yeah, that I
can tend to focus on, Oh you like me, they
don't like me. I got to make them like me again,
so that probably y'all focus people.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I think I'm yet to meet, and your typical comedian.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
I would imagine it's not common. There is a are
you a stand up yourself?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Hell no, absolutely not, absolutely not. No. I direct sex scenes, Matthew.
I am an instusy coordination.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Not in porn, in corn, in very risk television and film.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
I'm sorry, what a moment your career, your work, line
of work is having.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Haley, Yeah, sh it's going down.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
I didn't know that was a job title, and now
I think forty percent of people suddenly have an opinion
on it.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Yeah, Yeah, it's it's interesting times. It's it was a
it was a loud uprising and then it all settled
down and now it's going crazy again. Mm hmmm m
there's a bit of a pushback, but you know what,
it'll level out eventually.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Well, and Ewan McGregor loves you, so that's all that
care that matters me.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yeah, I think it's I mean, what's going on is
bad between those two tabloid stars. I'm not going to
comment on that because there's I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Know what is your comment on the current Yeah, I
can't be anywhere near that but.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
No, but it does mean well it makes people like
me the laborerson like me being like, oh yeah, that
probably is something they need on set, and how important
that must be. In realizing that, I was always thought like,
my nightmare scenario is doing a sex scene in a movie,
Like that's the scariest thing. Yeah, it's like dancing in public.
That's just like, Oh, I'd be so afraid to do
(14:21):
it and everything would happen.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Yeah, it's terrifying.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
It's terrifying.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah, it is, even for people who have done it loads,
it's terrifying.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Yeah, we'll both have an acting background. Is that your
connection to entertainment directly?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
No. I was a theater director until COVID happened, and
I had three shows out during like when COVID hit,
so basically our theater company just died. I was like,
what do I do with all my qualifications. I've done
all this content based kind of practice and stuff, and
they were kind of hiring intimacy coordinators at that and
(14:56):
that time it was the same time as the Me
Too movement, so I kind of just qualified in that area.
Whilst move in my writing and directing, I've just screen
as well.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Oh cool, that's fast.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, shifted it all across.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I want to be an actor, but I don't know
how to get an agent. So we're here. We are
thirty one years later, and I'm still on Google. I
guess Google wasn't around when I decided this.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
But so that it's like having a famous parent, I
hear that can really help.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I said to my dad, ja're tired. And I said
to my dad, can you please like become a produced
like just call yourself a producer and then I'll immediately
just have an in. And he said no, and then
he went coughing.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
So can I Can I share with you something that
will make you feel a lot better? Yes, if you
ever want to just feel tremendously better about yourself, Google
NEPO kids who didn't make it. It is consu that
it's so great. It's a good list too. You're like,
oh they really the Beckham kid couldn't break through?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Oh boy, Haley is your dog?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Okay? Yeah, I don't even know how to deal with that.
We just needs to make it like well in there
with my dog. Oh a dog. I've got two Border
Collie Beagle crosses and they're crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I'll ask my question yeah, We're enjoying our conversation so much.
I'm like, wait, should I have non move on?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Okay, Oh, I'm gonna like drag it down though. Sorry everyone,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I'm I'm just googling Neo baby Zoo.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I'm fascinated because I come from East Coast, everyone like
goes into finance. Everyone's in finance. My dad worked on
Wall Street, my grandfather worked on Wall Street, my uncle
worked on Wall Street. My brother works in finance. Like,
it's just fine, It's just finance. And I know that
world is like so horrible and intense, and like you're
(16:51):
just signing up for essentially because it's a good job
to have if you want to be able to support yourself.
So whoops, my mistake. But I'm wondering, what is there
one singular moment where you were like, I can't did
you ever see did you see what movie?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Was it?
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
My gosh, short, No, no, no, I'm going Disney. There's
a Oh it was Soul. It was Pixar the movie Soul. Yes,
And then and then the guy like wakes up and
he's got all his monitors and he like shows them
out of the way and he's I saw it with
my brother and he was like, oh my god, that
hit me really hard. So I'm wondering if you had
a moment where you were like that's it, or if
(17:31):
it happened over time and then you slowly moved into comedy.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
So my role in finance was was not ibanker. It
was I made a modest salary, working nine to five,
doing mostly spreadsheets, nothing high risk, nothing high stress. I
was maybe going to move try to work my way
up towards you know, more direct money management, but for wealthy,
private individuals, private wealth, you know, so just helping people
(17:57):
who already had a lot of money make sure their
money made me money. And I didn't like the nature
of the work. I also just there was kind of
this thing that lingered over me that I was creating
nothing that I had. There's no product in finances. You
just take money and it becomes more money, and there's
no goods or service that really transacted. And I don't know,
(18:20):
there was a moment. There was one thing I felt.
I've noted this on other podcasts, but it's something that
felt really rotten. Was I would have to log in
every day and look at everyone's account balances and just
a lot with transactions. And when I logged into Wells Fargo,
it would say holdings and transactions, And when I logged
into a City Bank, it would say positions and history.
(18:43):
And when I logged into JP Morgan it would say
securities and you know, trades, and it was all the
same information. Those are all synonyms, but the fact that
they were different on every website was indicating to me
they wanted people to feel stupid. The industry isn't about
making people savvy with their own finances. It's to use
(19:05):
big words until they felt confused enough to let you
do it for them. And I don't think basic finance
is very technically challenging. I think a lot more people
could handle it than they think they could. The job
of financiers, especially in private wealth, is to make people
feel like they can't more than it is to make
money for them. So that was always rotten. And when
I started doing comedy, I would say on the other
(19:26):
side of that, when I started selling T shirts at
comedy shows, it was the first time really in my
life that I gave a good and exchange for money
where I'm like, here's the thing, here's a tangible token
of the money I earned, and that felt good. I
was like, look at me exchanging engaging in commerce. I've
(19:46):
either pulled jokes for money, hoping of doing a thing
I love, hoping I get paid, or I, you know,
do this weird three caired Monty trick that is finance,
and always felt weird and rotten. Didn't never felt good,
even like making bomb would at least be making something.
This is what my brother does. Oh, he works for
(20:09):
he makes, he does.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I was gonna say legally or illegally because.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
He kind of makes it differently.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Wow, well look at that. It's like, yeah, if you
if you have no personal connection to bomb making, and
that was the first thing that came to your mind,
I would have been like, that's a little bit of
a red flag.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Let's look at search history.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, yeah, that Google history.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, mancuse Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Bombs by people who love the government or hate the
government exclusively, either you make them in your pacement or
you make them raytheon.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Mm hmmm mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I don't know what to say without getting councils.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
So why don't you move us on?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
And I'm gonna move us on. So you obviously had
this big old career shift. But well, I don't imagine
that came particularly easily, did it? So like, have you
got a story from your kind of career moving to comedy?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Oh it was so sorry, sorry, go on, go on.
It wasn't a shift. I got fired. My My goal
was always one thing I did retain from my parents
was the practicality of don't ever take a leap that
you don't think you're qualified for. Don't ever take a leap.
If you can't, you can't. But I did my job.
I got on Comedy Central pretty early on, and I
took a vacation day to go film, and I came
(21:30):
back to work on Monday. I had basically discussed with
my boss, who was very supportive of, you know, trying
to have me stay on board with the company and
while while kind of moving to LA to try to
get closer to the action. My my goal was to
keep that job for years and years and years, and
you know, white quit a good thing. And I got
fired so fast. I really I can't say the details
(21:52):
of it, but I screwed up really bad. And as
basically as soon as I stepped foot in California with
this cozy job that I could work remote. It was gone.
So I was exactly in the position I would work
so hard to avoid, which was just being in LA
with no career prospects. And it was the most terrifying experience.
It was one of the worst days of my life.
(22:15):
It was. It was really tough. And then things worked out.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Like I'm glad, Yeah, yeah, that'd be a sucky end.
And then the thing ever worked out, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Because so many people make that move without the proper
financial background, like you know, without the safety in it,
and then they just then then then their bank account
turns into a shot clock, and then they suddenly have
to come back to wherever they came from and kind
of reset and you know, with a with a little
bit less confidence than the first time. And just having
that practicality was such a was such a boost.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Well I didn't have it.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I was gonna ask you if, well, that might be it,
but like, yeah, you have a particular kind of story
of where you've been, like in your comedy career, and
you've kind of gone, I don't even know why I'm
doing this anymore, Like the moment where you're like, oh,
I might just chat this all in have you ever
had one of.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Those no good Not really, it's so about maybe I've
had some nights where I talked about quitting.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
But yeah, yeah, like a bad one. You must have
had a bad gig.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Oh, of course plenty.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Never but it's never made you want to quit planning.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
But the thing that does get me is I can
bad sets are bad sets. It's always gonna hurt. But
like the travel was what was getting to me, and
watching the thing lately that's been just daunting is like
I've worked so hard for this and I have a
version of it that my previous self would be very
proud of. But I would like to start a family
in the next couple of years. I found an amazing partner,
(23:57):
which feels like I'm, in a cheesy way, a much
bigger achievement than having a career, is not you know,
having a having a really good partner is is so
rare and so wonderful and feels I know it's not
more rare, but it feels more rare if it is
more blessed. And wanting to make sure I give that
what it deserves, gives her what she deserves, and then
have a family would be always been an aspiration of
(24:19):
mind and with the way I travel now, either I
have to make a lot more money and travel less
or basically not be around as a dad. So that
gets me and looking like maybe moving to a cozier
place and kind of, you know, easing off the accelerator
career wise.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Once, Yeah, Well no, I'm not going to get to
a head of in your your life there, Matt. But
I was like, once the family comes, this might this
answer might change. What a creepy thing for me to say.
What I loved that whole thing because I totally agree.
What would you say your definition of making it is
(25:08):
in life or career?
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Can I can? I answer like a couple of different answers, Yes,
go follow the one that early on, when I was
starting comedy, I would like, maybe once a month, get
to do a weekend spot at the club. And that
was when everyone It was in Houston, and when everyone
came out and the room was full, and I got
to do ten minutes in front of a crowd that
was there to laugh, and it was I spent the
whole week doing open Mike's, the whole month doing open mics,
(25:31):
and here we are in front of paying audiences. And
it was just such a dream. It was what comedy
like was meant to be and so rarely could be.
And my dream was, could I get to do that
every night? Could I go up? Could I move to
a city where there's as a Saturday level show happening
every night and every night I could look forward to
going out and performing comedy and it's its best form.
(25:52):
And I achieved that not too long ago in New
York City, where I just have enough shows in a
given week that I am not wanting of more good
shows and good crowds. But that was good. That's kind
of my myopic definition. The better one I want to
steal from Maddie Smith. It's just having a variety of
(26:12):
engaging work, not just doing stand because that can get
really boring, but like feeling really challenged in new ways
constantly within this passion you have. So I would love
to act and write and keep doing stand up, or
do sketch or whatever, do a panel show, any of it,
all of it, just to kind of experience everything. And
that to me is like really making it feeling like
(26:34):
just a balanced meal, working out every muscle group.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, love that. Yeah, it's a very add answer as
well it's.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
So it's just a good use because when you say
I'm so, I'm also very scatterbrain and all over the place.
Like even me taking a math class would be like
when I was in college. I first of all, I
didn't go even to do my freshman year until I
think I was twenty two or twenty three. Like that's
how I got m I took the idea of math.
(27:04):
That was my math class. Like we just discussed the
like idea of math, and we didn't math. It was
me and all those it was me and all the athletes,
all the athletes who like didn't have time to like
take and I was like just sitting there, like let's
think about math.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
It's so patronized it as a title.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I signed up though, I was like, sign me up.
I'm gonna go to my and then like my cinematography
class and then let me just think about math for
an hour. Anyway, my point is is that I find
it so interesting that what I do well for other
people is is keep them. But I agree with that answer,
like there's so many things I want to do, and
yet I'm like very scatter brained, and yet I make
(27:47):
my living organizing creative people to be more.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
Yeah, that's so interesting. So I do a lot of
my own I do all my own social media now,
I edit clips and make sure I post them on
different platforms and different links and keep track of promotion.
It's right now with my special editing, my special down
to clips. It's been yeah, hours and hours a week,
you know, you know, ten twenty hours a week, like
basically a full on job. Yeah, And I hate how
(28:14):
much I enjoy it because unlike everything else in my life,
there is a start in a finish line. There is
a linear movement towards progress that I just don't get
with creative pursuits. So I can oddly find myself getting
really lost and having a lot of fun. Ye, what
is basically actuarial work. I might as well be an
(28:36):
accountant with how tedious the work is. And I use
it as a distraction from what I need to be doing,
which is writing more and pursuing the creative side of things.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
It probably feels like that to you because it's your
own material. Like I find when I do our clips
and our stuff for the podcast, it feels totally different
than when I'm like trying to help someone turn something
into the biggest version, even if it's like a ninety
second clip of a stand up joke. Like I think
when there's a when you're doing it for someone else,
(29:06):
it's like a different mindset than when you're doing.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
It less a lot less fun I take it.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
No, I I think it's I think it's not it
not less or more. I think it's just like I
have a different I think the more brains on on
things like the in terms of ideas, well, not more
than you could get a ton and then it could
all just be gobbledygook. But like I think getting advice
from other people and having someone else look at things
and like give you feedback is like I love being
(29:35):
able to be like what if we tried this or
I cut together this video? Like that kind of roasts you,
But I think it's funny. Like I there's a different
we see ourselves in our own work differently than than
when we're looking at yeah, somebody else.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
I'm I'm I think I get. Maybe the comparison I
would have is that you know when I when I
decide on everything for myself, I really get conflicted about
small decisions.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
And yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Really yeah, waste time on that. But I end up
writing for other people a lot. I get hired to
write for people for fool things, and there is a
satisfaction of writing a joke for someone and hearing them
tell it. Yeah, is sometimes a little better than having
done it for myself, because it's all upside. I don't,
I don't. It's like, it's like it's like finance, where
(30:22):
you you like the kind of drill Dyl's Trump would do,
where he'd he if it profits, he profits, and then
if it loses money, he loses nothing. It's it's just
it's all upside or it's it works flat.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just plateau or upwards.
So if you had to give a chapter title that
sums up your career journey so far, and I will
(30:54):
give you examples from previous guests, please what would it be?
And we've had, we've had, Please tell me the catering's good,
we've had I'm scared. Please hire me. We've had, uh,
finally some stability at least for now, what Haley, any
(31:16):
other just any other favorites that come to mind. I
feel like the only person who gave us one that
wasn't out of complete fear was Donnie Wolb. That's probably
because it's he's just like chilling. But I feel like
everyone okay, it's all yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Donnie was like, it's all gonna be all right, and
I was like, okay.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Always are you still trying to be funny?
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Are you still trying to be funny? That was a
good one. Margaret Chow was was was nice too. Ever
evolving adventure. Yeah, so any just any again, this can change.
John mcgaro hashtagged in his title of the year because
he was like, it's gonna change. You can take take
(32:00):
your time. We will sit here so.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Heavy handed, but it'd probably be something to the effect
of winter hmm.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Let me think, Yeah, they think about it.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
I'm not I can't get the wording precise, but it's
the idea is you know, how much evidence do you
need to start believing in yourself? Finally, Oh, it would
be I guess that's still a negative way, but I'd
like to think it's a positive thing of Yeah, self
doubt it is back and if you're you have all
the evidence you need to believe in yourself, you have
such an abundance. And I'm not giving it a title,
(32:34):
but yeah, how about believe in yourself. Dummy would be
my Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Well who called themselves recently? Someone said stoop oh yeah, yeah,
something about being stupid. Yeah, people get really mad at
themselves in these titles. Really very telling.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yeah, it's where I am thirteen and a half years
into this and I'm kind of just all at once
just covering that, you know, being critical of yourself. You
think it's this this way to like, you know, whip
yourself into into productivity, and it's it's so the opposite.
And and you you want to scrutinize everything you do
(33:13):
as as a fluke or as a you know, just
a lucky break. And it's like at some point you
need to look at all the factors and say, I'm
I'm the variable here. It's it's it's you know, being
being egocentric is obviously very inhuman nature and and it's
gonna really you know, uh, mess up our observations and hypotheses.
(33:37):
But also constantly doubting yourself is just as bad of science.
So that's my Yeah, trusting myself more.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
The the rugby the female rugby player, is it alone? Ilona?
Who the imposter syndrome? Did that clip? Is that what
you're talking about when they were like Haley, they were like, one,
you know, how do you deal with imposter syndrome? And
She's like I don't get it, Like I just don't
have it because well because she's like I worked my
(34:08):
ass you know, like being a Rubbley player is professionally
is in of itself, is any professional athlete. I mean, Matt,
I'm sure with your fiance, it's like you cannot be.
I mean, that's the most intense work and dedication. Yeah,
and then she worked her ass off on her personal
publicity and then to be like, oh, yeah, I shouldn't
(34:28):
feel this way. It's like no, it was really It's
a really good clip.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
So jealous of her. Did you see the joke Go
see walk clip where she talked about how she was
on some podcasts and she said, you know when I
when I kicked the can, scientists are gonna have to
study my brain because like I remember, I didn't even
like do math. And I tried math one time and
I just like went to the back of the book
and I got the first I got all the problems correct,
and I didn't even know how I did it, and
did like an Einstein's I'm not even doing service to
(34:54):
how ridiculous it was. This is I'm not being hyperbolic.
She was truly like I just like did it all
on my head and like it was like the teachers
are like what I was like, yeah, and I don't
even care about this and that was that was me
and matth and like, of course she's famous. Of course,
a person like that who never for a second doubts
themselves will see everything as achievable and any any failure
(35:18):
of that being no, no, no, that's just wrong. I'm going
to keep going because clearly I am unencumbered by the
reality of the situation, and you'll just keep charging ahead.
The thing that slows you down isn't your failures, it's
it's over analyzing yourself and questioning whether you're you're worthy
or not. That's just dead weight that most successful people
are just egomaniac narcissists. And I wish I could indulge
(35:43):
in that a little more.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
I wish Yeah, yeah, you've got the goods to bucket up. Mah,
like you read your CV like, I don't know, it
feels like there needs to be a Netflix series about
you or something.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Oh, thank you. I appreciate that you do that much stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Oh, I'm I have and they're all in random places
like this. It's just it's like, I do this, and
I do this, and I do this.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
I've been blessed to have hobbies and I am very grateful.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
That's great and like, isn't that like, yeah, a celebration
of the hobby.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Yes, that's one thing I learned from my fiance, who was,
you know, at the top of the swimming world. And
when I met her, I found it very interesting because
she had more balance to her life than I did.
She understood that the best athlete, you still needed to
have a social life, You still needed to involge in
a good trip every once in a while. The people
who really buried their head and charged forward and made
(36:34):
no concessions for their personal well being tended to not
perform as well at the end of the season. The
people needed be at least ten percent of persons results.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
M M.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
In comedy, that's almost more true, because I have to
have a life. If I just went out and did
wrote all day and they did spots at night, there
would be nothing to write about.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Yeah, that's very true.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
I really I.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Oh, no, one of my friends is a stand up
and she uh, she texted me a screenshot the other
day because her ex like text her out of nowhere
and it was this ridiculous text. She got this ridiculous
question about like a recent event from him, and she
was like, I'm so glad he texted me though, And
I was like why and she's like, because I needed
new material.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
It's like, yeah, that's true. I guess you gotta keep
like having all this crazy stuff happened, because otherwise it's, uh,
it's gonna be recycled.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
There was, Yeah, that's so good. There's a song by
Oh who is It? By Heart and a Cage? I
know that there's a cover by is it the It's
Julian Casablancas, whatever band he was in, The Kinks, the Kooks,
the the Shin, the Hives.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Whatever coods, chins or Hives, one of those.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
I feel like because she's the other san.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Oh yeah, yeah, that does sound like something you type
into WebMD what I just said. The Strokes, he Strove,
the Strokes, Love the Strokes. One of my favorite songs
ever is a cover of that song, but the opening
line is like, don't feel better when I'm fucking around,
But I don't write better when I'm stuck in the
ground and just the constant torture. I'm stuck in a city,
(38:08):
but I belong in a field of like to be
the best artist you can be, you need misery. Uh,
it's it's I don't think that's fully true, but I
get I get the conflict there. I think we as
this society right now, tend to really prioritize suffering in
a way that we don't need to for for career.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, Morrissey's built his entire career on it.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Well, and you go to you go home alone and
you want to die. Yeah, the sad lyrics of any
song ever. You think when he has a good day,
he's sad because he's like, what do I write about?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah? He needs it, he needs any soul, he needs it. Misery,
my goodness, I'll not know. I'm not miserable. No, I
can't believe it just ended an episode in Morrissey.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Matt, How do I come see you do stand up.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
In New York?
Speaker 4 (38:57):
I mean any and out of the week you want
to come see a show? Me know? And if I'm
in town, I would love to have you there, all right? Yeah,
come to the city, across that, across that, husband.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
I mean, I was doing it all the time. I
was taking a sketch class at UCB before the temperature
just decided to really drop and I would take the
ferry and it's pretty quick and easy. And then that ended,
and then winter came.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Mm hmmm, and then.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Can't figure it out for the life of me. And
I'm gonna I don't like not, I'm gonna get it
under control. But but yes, I'm coming in because it's
just a way for me to get free tickets to entertainment.
To be honest with you, on Cola Scola, Oh that
would be amazing.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
I saw one of the last performances with them. It
did my god. It was worth every time.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Oh man, I know I wanted to go, but I
could not. The ticket was so expensive. I just was like,
I cannot.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
I was in the dog cast with my fiance and
needed to do something big.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
So oh, Mike, nice, nice, that's that would do it? Yeah,
I mean, yeah, I would have gone if I could,
but I just had to live vicariously through people that
I know who went, and if anyone.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
Listening, it's curious that we're talking about Oh Mary Cola
Scola was the writer and star. And now when your
friends go what is O Mary, you can say you
haven't heard of it?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
It's yeah, cool, Hally, that's for you. Yeah, you're welcome. Thanks,
Except it's never going to be it's never gonna sound
as cool when it's coming from America. I know.
Speaker 4 (40:45):
Hamilton.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
I love Hamilton. It's my favorite musicals.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
I think New York is the exception to someone in Texas.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
That's probably that's probably true. New York is Emily.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
He's just in love with England for no apparent reason.
It's awful. Hey, it's awful.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I blame the Harry Potter books.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yeah, it's not like that.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
That's I'm rereading the third one right now for the
millionth time. I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
I found London good, not that great. It didn't. I
was like, can I talk my trash on it?
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yeah, go for it in London. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
This is the part of the podcast where we shit
on the United Kingdom. Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
So I only.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Experienced it because I was working there for two three
weeks doing a film project, and I was doing a
lot of comedy there. But this is kind of get
me in trouble. London likes to compare itself to New York.
It's it's more like why no, it's like it's it's
it's north of Chicago, but it's south of New York
City in terms of like where it falls culture, I
didn't think it was like as big, and I don't.
(41:51):
I don't mean on global impactic with like activity. Everything
closes early, it's not as loud, there's not as much
to do. New York City is twice the the the
rumble and noise in terms of just the culture and
and and and just stuff to go see and do.
I did find it truly wonderful that people cuta the
way they did on the two that, like I wish,
(42:13):
I didn't know that could exist people.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
I didn't get you guys where that isn't just built
into your court. It baffles me how anything ever happens
without queuing.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
It only no, the only excuse me I will speak though,
as the one American woman in this conversation. The cues,
the endless, pointless cues happen in the women's bathroom. That
that's when that happens. They're all reserved for lines in
the bathroom and then you look and you go there's
no one in any of these stalls and we're all
just standing here like sheep. But yeah, that's that's where
(42:45):
it happens. Yeah, yeah, nowhere where it needs to.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
I try and make our mission to bring any Americans
who I know to the North of England because I
think it's much more interesting and much more beautiful. It's poorer,
but it's better. But Emily won't come because we haven't
got air conditioning in the North.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
I would love to see the North.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
I something because I don't have any money. Well that
as well, that as well this sweater and then I said,
well that's all I had, So someday I will come
and visit.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
I'll find you somewhere with air con And yes.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
I would find a place with air conditioning and come
visit you. I just need to have a savings count.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
But Matthew, we have comedy clubs in the North.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Yeah, I will say Top Secret in London was truly
the best crowds I've ever performed.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Right, it's top Secret. That's where Andrew Mensor is a lot.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
Yeah, it's it's because I was like the first time
I went up, I was like, oh that was Was
that the best show I've ever done? And I was like, man,
you just high off of the set And the next
time I'm like, was that? And I kept and because
in America we have fire codes and that that room
everyone would die.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
Oh it's such a good club that it's always great atmosphere.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Oh that is where Andrew. I always see Andrews videos
are from top secret.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah, it's hard to get on the on the billet
top secret as well.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
Yes it is. Yeah, it's it's competitive. But that was
That's a great room. So I really enjoyed that, and
the crowds are great. I wonder if my material would
need some translation for the North of lot of England.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Haley could do it for you potentially. Yeah, the translator
in the corner.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Absolutely need a Yorkshire translator.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
Yeah. It's so weird when you're doing a joke and
you think everything's going to work and then you're like, oh, yeah,
they don't know what third grade means. That eat the
cultural transliteration.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
And you know what, I think we're so americanized over it. Now.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
No, you just said you were going to run a
ten k and I was like, I don't have any idea,
how far that is a bit miles?
Speaker 2 (44:52):
Okay, well yeah, muss you straight in there with I'm
not with the math.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
I'm telling you. I'm telling you, don't look in the number.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
It resembles the Fibonacci sequence. If you happen to know that,
which is one of my favorite facts, that the golden
ratio is near, is very close to the conversion rate
from miles to kilometers?
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Was that in?
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Was that in the da Vinci code?
Speaker 4 (45:11):
Rob People love to mystify the Fibonacci sequence. The only
reason I know what it is probably easy. Great if
you take the numbers one and one, and then you
add them together, you get too Oh yeah, it was three.
And then if you actually look at those, each term
in miles is the next term in kilometers. She was one, one, two, three, five, eight, thirteen.
(45:33):
So like a five k is about three miles, an
eight k is about five miles, a thirteen k is
about eight miles, And holy shit, it's really neat.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
I've been I've been doing that mass in my head
without I'm like Jojo Siwa when.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
You were stuck, when you're doing it, when you were
saying that, all I heard in my head was a
dial up internet noise. Nothing made sense.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
I've just been doing it. Wow.
Speaker 4 (45:59):
Hey, did you never have interest in being on stage?
Did you always like, always like to be behind the
clipboard curtains.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
I came into it a funny way because like, I
don't know what you'd call it there, I'm counsel scum,
so like i'd be from the projects. Oh whatever, I
think in your end. Yeah, And I didn't know that
you could have jobs in these kinds of things. So
I went and became a teacher. But I did a few,
(46:30):
like amateur dramatic productions, and I realized I wasn't a performer,
but I quite like writing stuff, and that's how I
got into it. So I guess I had a moment
of performing that made me go, oh, I don't like
that feeling.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
So you didn't even know it was an option to
do this as a career.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
No, no, no, just like really lucky to me a
good English teacher and then could become an English teacher
and then realize that you could be a drama teacher
as well, and then I kind of fell to it
like that.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
Yeah, Emily, you always had stars in your eyes? Was
it always? Were you like a theater kid.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Once I learned I couldn't become a cat. I saw
Wizard of Oz when I was four. Wait, okay, here's
my story, you guys. No one's gonna care.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
I was four.
Speaker 1 (47:16):
My middle name is Dorothy, so I was like, this
movie is about me, obviously. And then my preschool was
like we're gonna or nursery school was like we're gonna
put it on. I auditioned, didn't get Dorothy. I told
my teacher I was miscast. She was like, you're four.
So then as revenge, I dressed up as Dorothy.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Oh my god, as if you have props, I know this.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
This this is my little motivation thing, like keep going Lah,
remember your innocent. I dressed up as her like every day,
all the time because I was like, you can't tell
me I'm not Dorothy. And then I wanted to act
ever since then. And then I was a theater kid
all through school, in high school and college. And then
I moved to LA and was like so stressed out
for ten years that I didn't really do much of
(47:58):
anything other than I was a cast says In at
Warner Brothers and Amazon Studios for a couple of movies
and TV shows for a few years. Cool, and then
I was like, I have no money and my car
is gonna be re nude and it's six hundred dollars
and that's ridiculous. And gas in New Jersey is like
three bucks. Yeah, So then I moved.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Back, and.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
I'm very happy that I did. Yeah, even pre fires,
nothing nothing, nothing, Yeah, nothing makes you really sure, like
a post apocalyptic like explosion fire. But maybe someone someday,
someone will just knock on my door and be like,
we smelled potential over here. That's how it works. Yeah,
I've had they just show up at your house with
(48:43):
the big publisher's clearing house check.
Speaker 4 (48:45):
I have immense respect for actors because I've booked things
over the years as an actor, but I've always looked
at the math and said, if I was just acting
and this was all I booked, that I would have
ran out of money, uh, three weeks in. I've never
I've never made enough money to pay my rents for
more than two consecutive months with acting. Like maybe I've
(49:05):
had one month where I had enough to like pay
the bills, but then it was like two years again
before I booked anything. So I don't know how actors
make it, and I have the leg up of being
a stand comedian, which is a huge boon. Yeah, and
still it hasn't been enough to keep regular work. So
I have immense admiration. Again, famous parents, you can make
this happen.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
I everyone make them up, Like, just create some parents.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
What last name should I hitch?
Speaker 2 (49:31):
I'm I just picked some celebrities, Just say them. That's
my woman. Dad?
Speaker 4 (49:35):
See for your dad is like some like title like
Count Capello or like Duke Capello.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
What was funny? I'll I'll end us here because I
will wrap us up. But what was funny? When I
was at Warner Brothers. My dad's name is Dan Cappello.
The head of construction at Warner Brothers at the time
was Dan Capello, which is so random because I've never
met another Capello, let alone. So I was like, I
would call you know for whatever we needed done, and
(50:04):
they'd be like, it's Dan's daughter. And I never corrected
them because one that's technically true, and two things would
get done so much faster and like on time and
simpler because I was really I was related to Dan
Cappello ahead of construction Warner Brothers. Then Dan retired and
we have a bit of a problem.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
But it does.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
It does pay to be in the family. Uh whatever
whatever family needs be. So I had a little glimpse
of that, but that doesn't translate to the current situation. Unfortunately.
Speaker 4 (50:42):
I would love if you got caught. They're like, wait,
you were lying, Like no, I just thought you guys
are a big fan of financiers. I thought you guys
were all about wall Streech.
Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yes, yes, yeah, there was a d Capello parking space.
And you know how hard it is to get yes
to get you know how hard it is to get
your name's bray painted on a block of concrete at
Warner Brothers. It was next to a Sorkin Like, are
you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (51:06):
So yeah, mudness mm hmmmmmm.
Speaker 1 (51:10):
Anyway, Matt, thank you so much for your time than
for having me.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
This has been very easy and fun. We've dissed England,
We've we've we've attacked Joe Joe Siwa Los Angeles, which
is a community in crisis right now.
Speaker 2 (51:30):
I like to think Jojo was attached with respect. Sure, yeah,
I would.
Speaker 4 (51:36):
Say, yeah it. She has admirable qualities. The leader I was.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
I just think it's funny because like whenever I'd be
out and about and I'd see her car because it's
wrapped in her own face shows you didn't know this,
No hold on you guys, and then I and then
I have I will have to wait.
Speaker 4 (51:55):
Okay, I want to guess the make and model.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Okay, go for it. No Kaylee, don't look it up.
Tell me what you think it is.
Speaker 4 (52:01):
Okay, wrapped, I'm either like between like portion Kia Soul. Uh,
I'm gonna say, God, I don't know, I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Is she a Tesla girl?
Speaker 1 (52:17):
So it is the Tesla Suv?
Speaker 4 (52:20):
Shut up?
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Oh my god. I was right and I didn't even
look at up a promise.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
Wow, it's all pictures of her face.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
That's awful.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
So I'd be like at in and out Burger and
I'd be like, oh Jojo Cio was in front of me.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
Anyway. On that note, that's what I think you should have, Matthia.
Speaker 4 (52:39):
But a Kia Soul oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
Have it be like a really like yeah a car
that that yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:47):
It'll be your family car, but with your face all
over it.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
How to make it is reported from a closet in
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