June 23, 2025 • 50 mins
Magician Gabriella Lester joins Emily & Haley to discuss her work as an escape artist, performing at the Magic Castle, and the art of teaching magic to kids. Emily can't believe Gabriella has never seen 'Harry Potter,' Haley pulls a stuffed animal out of her printer, and we attempt to start a crisis management firm. So locate your wand, stay awake for twenty-four hours, and eat a prop as you enjoy Chapter 26 of 'How To Make It.'
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Emily and I'm Hailey. After meeting online, we
became international best friends who bonded over how hard it
is to find success in the entertainment industry.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Join us and our celebrity co authors as they help
us write the book on how to make.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
It and, more importantly, uncover what making it even means?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
May that made us sound so much more serious than
we actually are?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Should we switch roles on this this time? Okay, see
that's the intro.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Hi. My name is Gabrielle Lester, and I wanted to
be a magician when I grew up.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Of God, you did? You made it happen? Right? I
think I sat super young. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Gonna say I saw that it was like what we
were ten years old?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Yeah, I started pretty young.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
And what was your first day of being like, I'm
gonna try doing this when you're ten years old?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I saw a magician at my school do a magic show,
and afterwards I went up to him to get an
autograph and he took the sharp ye I gave him
and put it, put it up his nose and pulled
it out of his mouth, and it broke my brain
as a kid and then after that, I think I
remember sitting in the back of my classroom trying to
do the same thing with no idea as to how,
and then started looking it up and falling into a
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world of researching it and loving it.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
And I have been doing that since.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
That's amazing. Do you know what's super cool? Like you've
got like I'm assuming that you've got a family who
embraced this in order needs to make this happen.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yes, very fortunately I did.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, so did when you were a kid? Did you
go and say, like, can someone take me to a
store so I can purchase some sort of magic kit?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
It was everything? It's can we order stuff online? Can
I go to these magic swap meets? Can I go
to magic school in Vegas?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Can I? Oh, you know?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Can I have handcuffs Christmas? I had definitely taken my
parents' off guard very quickly with all of it. But
fortunately they're extremely supportive.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
And it worked out for them too, because you didn't.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, good investment, and when you're kind of in your
spare time and not in your magic career, you're also
terrifying your family with your passion for motorsports.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yes, I basically lived to just freak the hell out
of my family is essentially what's happening so far.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Were you always just super brave, like as a kid,
did a kid or did or did the magic corum
and then you were like, oh, I can also do
this other stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I was a really passionate kid, and my father worked
in office job, so when I was younger, I'd always
go with him to work and just look around and go,
I never want this to be in my life. So
I decided from an early age that whatever I did, I.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Wanted to do to the fullest extent.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Like when I started playing basketball, I wanted to be
the first woman in the NBA. When I started drawing,
I wanted to be a graphic design and so I
really took everything little and made it as extreme as
I could, very quickly, and it became everything. So when
I found magic, I did the same thing, except the
difference was it was just the first thing that really
stuck and has still stuck to this day.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So Gabrielle, so you take your hobbies and you make
them your job.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, yeah, Magic just actually happened to be the only
one I was good at. Really, once I realized the
high thing was standing in the way of the NBA.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Oh yeah, that's yeah, that's a bit of a problem,
isn't it just slightly?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Just slightly?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Oh, let me just stay on your motorspots for a bit,
because I read that you've got a merch brand. Mm hmm,
what like what made you kind of go down that route?
Is that like that business head again of like like
I need to kind of go down this or is
it something you're really passionate about or.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Yeah, I was really driven to combine the two of them.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
The Magic and the motorsports are just kind of what
that merch company was originally. And I've always been really
interested in trying to go down as many avenues as possible,
you know, being my own business and starting out not
knowing how, I always try to find different ways to
learn and do that, and the merchant was kind of
just a part of that of trying to figure out
if I can make an income from all these other things,
especially as an as an artist and starting out it's
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so difficult, you know, and ever there's no such thing
really as an artist as a stable income.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
It just doesn't exist to you.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
So I learned very quickly from an early age that
I would have to find as many different avenues to
bring revenue in, you know, even as a kid, just
try and learn and do that. And that's what that was.
So it was a passion project but also a way
to learn how to run my own business.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
But we laugh at this, but like this, it's amazing
how many people just don't seem to get that. Yeah,
kind of that is a business. Yeah, at the end
of the day, what was your facts off the internet
that you found out about Gabriella Emilyin.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
My fact is that, well, I would I'm too late
for this, but you were. You were doing a bit
of a run at the Magic Castle. And I lived
in la for ten years. I just moved back a
little under a year ago, and I lived by the
Magic Castle, and every time I drove by, I was like,
how do I get in the Magic Castle? And I
never went. You've never been, no, because don't you have
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to like, don't you have to know someone to get in?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Or is yeah, now you do?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Anytime you do, you're good, We'll do a girl's night.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
You're good.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
The amount of times I was like asking people and listen,
I work in entertainment, so I should have been asking
for favors for like that. But I was like, do
you know to get into them?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
No, it's hard for sure, but you're good anytime.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Let me know. Oh amazing, I guess I have to
go back now. Yeah, So what is that? What is
that like? Because I imagine I've heard you say a couple
of times you make lists of your goals and then
you go after them. What is it like when you
get that call or that email or whatever it was
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that says like you're going to be performing in this
historical venue.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I mean, it was incredible for me. I note about
the Magic Castle for most of my life, and my
goal that I wrote down when I was a kid
was visit the Magic Castle, Like that's what I wanted
to do today is get an invite, get in one day,
get an invite, get in the door. And very fortunately,
the first time I ever went to the Castle, I
was performing and I was about sixteen or seventeen, and
I wasn't allowed to leave the backstage area. So my
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first experience of the Castle was walking in through the
backstage door and out the backstage door, and it was
about a year before I saw anything else in the building.
But it was one of those incredible experiences for me,
I think because I dreamed to even just walk through
those doors, and walking through the stage doors the first
time was really really a wonderful experience, So it means
a lot to me now. I still feel very fortunate
every time I get to be in that space, and
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it is really one of the coolest places on earth.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Haleot's do you have you seen a picture of it? Haley, No,
It's like it's so funny because you would see castle.
It's like when I tell you I'm going to a
pub and you're like, the ceilings are much too high
for that to be a British pub. You'd probably it'd
be like, that's not a castle, but it's it's kind
of like up on a hill, so it looks and
it's just very old, and not very much in la
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is old, so it it just it looks very mysterious.
There's like a kind of like a driveway that goes
up a little bit, so you know, it's it's very
I'm sure if we plucked it out of its spot
it might but it's very all very mysterious and magnificence.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yeah, and yeah, it's like an old mansion that's basically
being converted into this magical clubhouse, so when you see it,
you'd know what it.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Is, and that you can't get into unless you know
somebody magical.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
So like a magical so whole house essentially. Yeah, that's
a great way to put it. Makes me feel much cooler.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
No one's got a house membership that everyone's a guest.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, yeah, and then who's pretending that they but they
have a member.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I want to go back to your sorry, I'm just
like flipping around a little bit, back to your story
of at school with the sharppie up the nose, Like,
do you have any mentors who you've kind of had
from the beginning? Who?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah, I've luckily, I've had a lot, and I've kind
of grown up in the magic industry. So I've always
said I felt like I've had one hundred dads. It's
been a very male dominated industry and is really close knit.
Everyone knows everyone, and everyone's kind of seen me growing up,
and I've been around grow up and I've been there
for a long time. And that first magician, actually his
name is Sean Farquhar, who did the sharpie thing, and
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he lived in Vancouver, which is where I grew up,
so he became one of my first and closest mentors
and is like family to me now. But I've been
really lucky to have so many mentors and resources and
people to go to, and I've been grateful to see
the progression of my idols become my peers and then
my friends, which has been really.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Wonderful, amazing. Do you see that mentorship is something that's
kind of crucial to you, kind of developed in the
way that you have.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Definitely, I think, especially with something like magic, the best
way to learn is from somebody else. It's just kind
of the only way, and it's one of those arts
that has been passed down that way from generation to
generation or person to person. And books are wonderful and
videos are wonderful, but it just isn't the same as
being hands on and working with someone. And the magic
industry is a really great place for something like that.
And I get a mentor and work with a lot
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of young kids now and it's just the coolest thing in.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
The world for me.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Where do you do that through some in.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Person Like I run some kids seminar where they'll fly
out and they'll come attend there and then I do
someone zoom with kids around the world, and it's the
greatest experience possible.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Have you got some really good up and coming ones,
so you think it gonna like, see this is a career.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yes, No, some that are definitely better than me, I
think already.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
But there's so many.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah, there's so many passionate kids and so many young
women now, which is the big difference. And I think
when I was younger, I didn't really have anyone who
looked like me or was like me to look up to.
So now it's great to work with a bunch of
kids that were like little me. Like I feel like
I'm watching my little self grow up again and get
to be there and have someone that's like me to
talk to. And yeah, I'd give my life for all
of those little ones.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
That's so sweet. Zoom must be an interesting way to
teach somebody a magic trick, now, very Yeah, how does
it even work if you can't see, like everything that's
going on or you can't like touch the same stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Yeah, for the most part, it's really just talking to them,
you know, talking to them about how to build a
show or how to get gigs, or I'll give them
notes on their routines, but it's a less technical stuff
because with magic you can learn technical stuff everywhere. You
can watch a video and learn how to do technical things.
You can read a book and learn how to do slights,
but things that make you a real performer. Learning how
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to take who you are as a human being and
translate that on stage. You know, knowing how to be
in front of an audience, knowing how to build a show,
learning how to expand your repertoire you know at bookings,
and you know, change from being just somebody who loves
what you're doing to be someone who can make money
from it and make it a career and a profession
is more what I kind of like to help with,
because right it was, I was completely.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Lost when I was a kid as to how to
do that.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Did your mentors then teach you at that age how
to make it a business or did you just figure
it out.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
A little bit?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I did feel like I was on my own a
lot of it, because the industry changed as I grew up.
You know, there's a lot more performers out there now,
a lot more young women. And then also with the
digital age coming in and social media having such a
big impact on the entertainment world and how to grow
a fan base online and audience from there and selling
tickets through there and selling merch through there, and building
a fan base in the digital world. There wasn't really
anyone that knew how to do that, Like there's nobe
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I can ask how do I succeed in this day
and age? Because nobody had existed in this day and
age before, So it was kind of learning as I went.
But now that we're kind of living in this world,
now I have enough resources, I think to be able
to help the little ones figure it out.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I want to with magic. This is going to be
the dumbest question in the world.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
I love dumb questions.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
He's just spilling ours. I'm thinking now, like there's so
much space for things to go wrong, like even howl
do you even do? Like if you're on camera or
doing something live and it goes wrong? Like is that
an experienced thing that?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, No, definitely, it's not a dumb question at all.
It's something that we really do specialize and magicians have
this thing, these things called out. So when you're making
an actor, you're thinking of an act that you want
to do, you think as much as you can about
everything that could go wrong, the spectator messing something up,
the card being wrong at the end, and you think,
how what do I turn this into if something goes wrong,
So you try and think of in advance of all
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the different ways you can turn it into something else
so the audience doesn't notice if something goes wrong. Some
of those things you only discover on the spot when
the one thing in the world you didn't think about
going wrong goes wrong and you have to kind of
be on your toast or turn it into something else.
But yeah, we have to think about it a lot
because there are so many different factors that go into it.
And at the end of the day, it is a
technical skill and you can't always get your technical skill
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right every time. You can't control the audience or the volunteers,
and you have to be you know, which is what
I love about it is you have to be on
your toes and working always and paining attention always. And
it's kind of fun too when things go wrong or
you get thrown a curve ball, because it gets you
to turn it into something else, and sometimes which you
turn it into ends up being better than what the
trick was. Originally and then you keep it that way.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Dang, So with the say that it's still so I
imagine that's similar, but like really really freaking dangerous.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah, we want we try to eliminate it as much
danger as possible. And I don't think that any trick
is ever worth your life. So with a lot of
that stuff, even if it has the appearance of danger,
there won't actually be real danger there.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Of course.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna kill myself on
a Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
I have things to do.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
But yeah, the appearance of danger is definitely there, exactly,
you know, we think ahead, uh, but yeah, it feels
scary and there's the appearance of fear and danger and
all of that, but there really isn't much And of
course things like that can go wrong and that's scary.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
But yeah, that thinking about every available kind of thing
that could go wrong, Like Emily, I think magic might
be for you. No, thinking of everything every I don't
really think that.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I could. I could tell Gabriella everything that could go
wrong with her trick, her personal life, like everything, but
what I need to know. What I cannot do is
handle the moment that it happens. On stage that that
would be a me shaped hole in the wall, like
there would be I could tell I could give you
a PowerPoint, but I don't want to deal with it
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when it happens. So I'd be like a crisis management.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yes, you could be an advisor. I'll just talk to
you beforehand.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Right exactly. For I would be a great crisis management
for everyone but myself. So great, there you go. I
like your way of thinking, Haley, but I don't. I
would be on stage like calling you, being like, this
guy just said this thing.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
What do I do?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
So I see what the problem is.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, you're gonna tell me that. He seems like a
great guy on I don't know what trick is happening
on stage.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, this is great and he seems wonderful.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Right, I think it's fine, and then you know, he
punches me and the gun takes my wallet and then
I'm like.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Wait, did you die? Are you dead?
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Not?
Speaker 4 (15:23):
This is healthy friendship.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I get into that.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
We're very people.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
I didn't see this.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
We could not be more different. I do remember seeing
Black in La. I went to America's Got Talent, Yeah
a couple of times, and magic on talent shows is
my favorite thing, and there was a trick with an
escape It was like an escape act, but then it
was a fake that the person got crushed by sand
and everyone in the audience was a freaking out because
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they thought that he was now in just easter and we.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Had all just witnessed it death.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, yes, and everyone's like trying to figure out like
how they're going to go on, and then of course
one of the emergency people who runs out is him,
and I was like, this is the coolest I think
escape art is.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Very very cool, very very cool.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, that's one of the coolest fields for sure, and
it does really make you feel like a superhero with
things like, yeah, you know, being able to do whatever
this impossible concept that you have is and bring it
to life, especially with the dramatic music. Yeah, oh yeah,
you feel like the coolest person on the planet when
you have those sound cues going in the light and
the whole audience is freaking out.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
I mean it's a power strike for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah. I think there's something so like connective with an
audience about it as well, and like how vulnerable you
kind of make yourself, even if that's part of the act.
It's like there's something connective about it in a way
that nothing else is, I think, and I think you
can change the world with that shit.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yeah, And I think magicians are excellent storytellers. And for
the most part, a lot of us are just ourselves.
You know, we're not acting. It's not theater, we're not
playing a part. We are just who we are, you know.
I always like to say I feel like I take
who I am and turn it inside out and then
go on stage and just show people exactly who I am.
So it's a beautiful way to connect with other people
because there is no role, there's no character. And then also,
you know, when it comes to having kids in the
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audience and you're doing this impossible thing, you're also possible
to them, Like they're seeing somebody that is just a
human who's doing these incredible things. But at the end
of the day, isn't a superhero, isn't a TV character,
isn't yeah somebody in a movie. It's somebody who's completely
possible and realistic for them.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So my favorite trick is, oh, well, no, this isn't true.
I have so many favorite ones. Haile, you probably didn't
know I was this big of a magic no, I didn't.
But when I am watching talent shows, the thing that
drives me crazy is when the judge I think they
think they're like complimenting the person by being like, this
is really you are just magic, and I'm like, no,
this is a honed, so specific skill. I get that
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they're trying to like say that they're the best, but
I'm like, don't take give credit where credits due, like
they worked incredibly hard.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Yeah, they love that, especially on shows like that, like
Simon Call specifically is known for being someone who wants
to believe in real magic and everything is real magic.
And if you say it's a skill or you learned it,
and he's like, he's out, he has no interest, which
is such an interesting thing in this stay age. Just
don't you know he's like that's a witch.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
No, yes, exactly, which is a compliment in and of itself,
but not the point. Yeah, did you have a favorite
trick that you saw and then learned and then it
was like it lost its magic for lack of a
better word, or or do you when you learn things,
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are they still like as amazing as you thought they
were before you figured out how to do them.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Yeah, they're amazing in a different way when you know
how it's done, because some of the methods are actually
a lot cooler than the effects appear to an audience.
When you know the behind the scenes of things, and
as someone who does it for a living, you love
to see these things, like you love to see incredible methods.
You love to see somebody's creative mind that has made
this thing possible. So I think we really like it.
It doesn't ruin it as much for us because it's
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just part of the art. I think when you're younger
sometimes it does. But as you grow up in it,
then you're like craving to know what the method is
or you're guessing what they are. And magicians love to
be fooled, Like we're searching to figure out what we're
going to see one day that's going to absolutely just
blow our minds.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
So we like it.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I think fool Us is one of my favorite the
Penn and Teller show.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I love Penn and Teller. Yeah, yeah, like, how how
did that show come about?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
It's a it's a show where they're sitting in the
audience and magicians come up and try to fool them.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I love how much Evely you know about metric. You're
just geeking out here. It's very entertaining.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I feel like I'm behind on the time.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Take on, No, it's just listen to quote who who
in the office said this? I blame Harry Potter? No,
I who's oh Angela says that?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
So did you have to do a routine gabriella for them? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Yeah, so you do an app?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
It's like, so, what was it? What was it?
Speaker 4 (19:58):
What did you do?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Sorry? I did avotion like a toddler.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yeah, I did a version of the straight jacket escape,
but with like a car trick mixed into it. It's
on YouTube if you want to watch it. But I
did when I was eighteen, and it was a trick
that I'd never done before, and it was kind of
fresh out of COVID.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
But it was really wonderful experience.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Brave.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Yeah, do you have tricks in your head that you
want to come up with that you like sit on?
I think of this from a writing perspective of like,
I have these characters in my head, or I have
this kind of plot in my head and you toy
with it for like years trying to figure out how
it goes together. Is that the same with magic, where
like you have an idea of a result, and how
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do you like, what is that whole process? From inside?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah, all the time creatively, it's like your brain is
working at the time. There's a hundred effects that I
think that we all want to bring to life at
some point, and you kind of when you start to
look at the world that way, you start coming up
with things, start trying to come up with things like that,
And it's always the concept first, like you always go,
I would love if I could do this. It would
be incredible if you know, I could walk through a
wall and get to the other side, or if somebody
could walk on water and then the water froze, you know,
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something like that. And so it's always the concept first,
and then the method comes later. And some of us
come up with methods quickly, or sometimes it takes a
couple of years. But I think we've all got these
crazy ideas, or at least me at the very least,
of things that I'd love to bring to life one
day that are still works in progress.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Have you got one that you'd like to share with us.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
The first thing I ever really brought to life was
a straight jacket escape, which had been done before. But
the first time I did that, I was fourteen, and
that was like a creasy dream that came from sketches
in my journal of these terrible stick figure drawings. Again,
I couldn't be an artist of wanting to do this
thing and imagining what it would look like. And that
was something that didn't really have a method or an
idea or what I wanted to look like. It came
(21:40):
from nothing like that came from me walking home from
school one day and hanging upside down on the monkey
bars and then getting into a circus gym, to then
getting rigging equipment, to then bringing it to life. So
a lot of it is like that you have this
idea and you live in this weird, confusing, sometimes ugly
messy creative process where you don't really know how you're
going to do these things, but you just slowly kind
of work towards the mental peace it's fall into place,
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like being.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
A woman in magic, Like, have you seen a change
while you've been in the industry towards it being a
more open industry?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah, we definitely have far more representation, especially like as
you mentioned with shows like Fullest, where we are seeing
people that are like us on TV, Like, there really
wasn't a lot of women broadcasted anywhere in the magic
world other than as the assistants or the dancers are
on stage in that regard. So we're seeing a lot
more of it rise. And it's not even, and it's
far from being even, but there's enough that you can
look around as a young kid and think that this
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is something that you can do now that we have
enough of it out there.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
That's cool.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
They always sell it too, They're always like, and she's
a woman, Like it's still like a declining factor, which
I'm always like, that's not a descriptor for this.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I know. I hate that. That's awful. Yeah. Yeah, Like,
have you ever had like a moment or like a
story in your career where you've kind of thought, God,
like why do I bother? Like have you ever got
to that point as something ever happened to you where
that's been like a kind of bothered.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yeah, sometimes you go through these hard moments of failure
for sure, especially because you know, for me and most performers,
you know, like I said, you are yourself. You're going
out there who you are, So when an audience doesn't
respond or something doesn't go well or you don't feel
like in your mind, and of course you're always your
harshest critic that when you feel like you don't do well,
you take it on a different kind of personal level,
because it's not like you're putting a character out there
or you're adding a book and they didn't like this
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story they read. The story they're reading is yours, like
you are yourself, So you can take those hits personally,
and over the years you get better at managing it,
and I definitely have, but I know in those first
couple of years, it was really hard when you're trying
to figure out if this is what you're going to
do with your life, what that's going to look like,
if you can make something of yourself. You know, especially
when you're you feel like you're an undergogger. You are
this young girl who's wanting to do this thing and
(23:51):
make this big impact, and you have dreams that are
ten times the size of you. That those hits and
those failures definitely hurt on a deep level.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Have you had got like a specific moment like that's
kind of changed the path of your career.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Definitely, especially in the first few years when I hadn't
made anything of it, and I was just kind of
a weird kid who was doing this thing. I faced
a lot of that when I started doing the escapes,
or even throughout school. You know, I was just kind
of like this weird magic kid who was doing this
thing and it didn't really make sense. And for example,
something like the straight jacket, appearance wise, it looked like
this remarkable, cool, impressive thing. I was upside down at
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forty feet in the air, there were strobe lights and
music and drama, and it was this image wise, this
great thing. But I still remember doing that and hearing
kids in the audience laughing because they didn't get it
didn't make sense. And you have moments like that a
lot where you're just what you're doing should be, like
you mentioned, it should be cool or it should be impressive,
but people don't always understand it. And it's I think
(24:59):
that beginning phase. This is the scariest thing because until
you've made something of yourself, whatever, making something looks like,
people don't necessarily take you seriously, and you have to
find a way to, you know, put those blinders on
and keep doing what you're doing. And that as a kid,
you know, when you're figuring out who you are and
you also want to be liked and you also want
to chase your passion. It's a hard thing to balance
(25:20):
at the same time because you're just giving up a
lot of the normal cool stereotypes of being a kid
and growing up that you would have had otherwise. So
I sacrificed being a cool kid for doing something I
loved and in the end it paid off, but for
a while it didn't.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, it's such a vulnerable place to put yourself, like
with other kids like laughing at you and stuff like,
do you do anything to kind of protect yourself, because
like you're putting yourself out there every day like that
and putting like you're not putting on an app, this
is who you are. Like, do you kind of do
anything to kind of like protect your being away from
(25:55):
being the performer? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
You just, like I said, you have to have those
blinders on and know that we you're doing this for
a greater purpose and what you're working towards is going
to matter a lot more than what you're just doing today.
And one of my friends said something before I went
on stage once that was really incredible. I was really
nervous for performance. I think we're filming it for a
TV show. And he had said to me, no matter
what happens today, you were going to go home and
you're still going to be you. And that's something that
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I repeat in my head all the time when I'm
worried about failure or not doing well, the audience not
loving something. Is that what I am chasing is so
much bigger than whatever happens today. I want today to
go well. I want to care, I want to give
it my best. But if it doesn't go well, then
I'm still going to go home and keep chasing this thing.
And nothing that happens to me, no bad show, no failure,
and nothing going wrong is ever going to stand in
the way from me still going home and waking up
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the next day and working towards this bigger goal in
the stream, Like I'll always do that.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
That's incredibly inspirational. Thank you, that's it. That is a
good things happening in your head.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Mine usually is like, no matter what happens, I'll go
home and eat, like order a hamburger.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
But I like your yeah I do that too, No, yeah, yeah, yeah,
carbs are a healthy man.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I'm always like there's I make it into a tangible
thing rather than probably should just you know, do it
up here and then self confidence area.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
But yeah, no, there's still a lot of hamburgers involved,
don't worry.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I love I loved the quote from your Ted talk
where you said that we are the things that we
love or I'm probably paraphrasing that. That's such a lovely thing,
because I think a lot of times, I'm like a
lot of the stuff I like is very dorky and
you know, niche, and like when Haley and I met
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for the first time, I was like, we're going to
Hans Zimmer concert at the O two Arena, and thankfully
she she came. But you know, just like things where
I'm like a lot of people would be like who
and what and where and we're gonna sit and watch
orchestra music for three hours and so to think of
it and like, oh I am the things I love.
I'm like, oh, I love those things. Like I like
(27:56):
the fact that I would radiate that, so I really
I actually I wrote that in my notebook when I
heard you say it, because I was like, oh, that's
a really lovely way to look at yourself. Yeah, no,
I love that full of wisdom absolutely.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
That's good. That's why you're good mental.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yes, hope. So I may have to start taking zoom
magical life. What would your definition be of making it?
And this could be in career or in life or
(28:36):
a mold of both things.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Yeah, I think it's a mix.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I think I want to do as much as possible,
especially as you know, in this industry there's never been
a woman at the top. Really, we haven't had a
female Copperfield or Houdini, and that person could and should
exist now, and with the right steps and effort, it's
possible to become that person. But I also just want
to like the way that I get there too, you know,
like I still want to love my passion at the
(29:01):
end of the day, and I still want to like
who I am and how I took the steps to
get there. So I want to get as close as
I can to that. But well, liking the journey and
if that means I go, you know, a shorter amount
further than I would rather do.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
That that's great.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah, it's about the journey, isn't it. If you if
you've got like worldwide like notoriety tomorrow like what is
the like, what is there to enjoying that?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Yeah, it just doesn't mean as much. I like the
hustle for me, that's my favorite. It's like the working
and the thinking and the learning and the you know,
failing and then getting things wrong and the trying again
and all of that I love the most.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yes, I love that. I love that. If you were
gonna kind of sum up your career journey so far
in like a chapter title, so I know you don't
like me keeping saying this, Emily, but if this podcast
was a book, and Gabrielle your your episode it was
(29:57):
a chapter, like what with the title of that chapter?
What is the title of your career so far?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
That was very well, Sorry, Yeah, that it was a
great question.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Great question, Gabriella, really really really good stuffe I would
probably say like dreaming, I think for me is the
biggest thing. Like I'm still such a big dreamer, and
no matter how much I accomplish, you like work towards
you know, it might be a cliche answer, but it's
(30:29):
really dreaming for me, I still spend so much time
doing that and thinking of the future. Not just says
like I want this goal or I want this thing.
I want this awards, Like I want this dream, I
want this thing that's going.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
To make me excited or happy. So yeah, dreaming.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I just think that's a theme of everything that you do,
isn't it, Because like even like the like working on
the concepts, that's it's all in. It's all a brain thing,
it's all. It's not like you can kind of practically
do it all straight away. It's like he's laying the groundwork,
isn't it. Yeah, that's interesting how it kind of feeds
into every aspect of your kind of work and your
(31:06):
future as well. Fascinating on Emily, I was just I
was just I'm just.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
The dynamic between you two is amazing, by the way.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I'm really enjoying it.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
It's so fun. It's very Type I and I'm very
Type B.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I feel like we are on the extreme and we're
on like a news channel, And and you said it
down and then I take like that delayed pause, and
I'm like, thanks, Hailey, what was I going to?
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I know what I was gonna say, because it's a
question that could possibly help me that I think you
might have the answer to or.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Some help already.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
We all work in this might help you, Haley, actly, No,
you probably you know, you probably already have beyond it.
I don't how do you? Because we all work in
fields where technically not even technically, there's no clock out hour,
like you could always be writing more, thinking of new tricks,
(32:13):
doing something to like like I'm always like, oh my god,
is someone working an hour later than me on this
thing or sending one more email? And is that's going
to be the how do you asking for a friend?
How do you? And it's how do you manage to
be like these are my even brain business hours? And
(32:36):
now I'm gonna like what do you? And then what
do you then go do to take yourself out of
that space?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I think you have to know what your limit is
and you can feel it, like you know yourself the best,
so you can feel when you're doing something too much
or working too hard, and you have to be able
to like put stuff down. It also makes you better
at whatever you're working at towards when you're able to
step down and take a step back and then come
back to it. And for me, I love being a beginner,
Like I still have a million hobbies and I spend
a lot of my time doing that, So I try
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and focus on other things that I care about or like, like,
you know, learning to play an instrument, or learning to
skateboard or riding the motorcycles or whatever it is, and
things like that that I feel a lot of my
time with that. It gives me other things to fixate on,
because otherwise I will work myself into a hole. And
when it's your passion too, you also love it. So
it's work, but it's why not, you know, it's why
not work hard? Or why not write another chapter? Why
(33:25):
not stay up a little later and all these things.
But you know, I think when you start to notice
as time progresses, how much better your work is when
you're able to put it down and come back to it. Then,
when you just try to work NonStop, is probably the
healthiest tool that I've learned. And it's hard sometimes I
don't always get it, you know, right, And we all
like to just work and work and work. But I
try and put it down as much as I can.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Too, And what do you choose to do when you
put it down?
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Right?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
I'm learning to play the piano right now, and yesterday
I finger painted a caterpillar, so that's great.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
So a lot of like random other things.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Oh that's just other hobbies.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah, it's important. Off the back of that, like what
is your creative process, like, like do you have any
weird rituals or anything that you do? Our superstitions are
things that you do to make and make the magic
happen when you're in the work zone.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah, Like I try and imagine some kind of end
goal that really excites me to work towards because it's
always like messy and you have all these ups and
downs and failures and it always takes longer than you expect.
But for me, like I imagine some weird end goal.
Right now, I'm writing a book that's going to come
out at the end of the year, and this I
know now it's going to be it's great process, but
(34:47):
also it's going to be long and tiring and editing
and a lot of like, you know, how do I
write a life story when I'm twenty one? Who's going
to read this? What are you all of that self
doubta I know is going to come. But for me,
I am imagining like the book launch party, like I
fix sit on that I picked some dream at the
end of at the end of the tunnel, and I
just think about that. So now every day when I
want to write or I'm thinking about it before I
(35:07):
go to sleep, Like I just imagine thinking more details
about that. Who I'm going to invite, what it's going
to look like, where it's going to be, what kind
of room I want to have it, and so I
have something exciting to look towards.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
So a lot of my creative.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Processes that like really imagining a specific thing when I'm
working on a new act that I want to do
on a TV show on a revenue, Like I imagine, you know,
people in the audience, what their reactions are going to be,
or what it's going to be like to see people
lining up for my show one day in whatever city
I want to get to, and things like that is
what keeps me inspired to continue to create. You when
creating gets exhausting, woman out there, my own heart.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
It's like advanced manifestation. Oh yeah, like what is your
like big pinch me moment? Oh good job, Haley, I
know it's all right. I've had a beer. I've had
a beer during this podcast and it makes me really
good at segues.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
This is really good.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Haley, what was she pinched? Me?
Speaker 2 (36:04):
What was she pinched?
Speaker 1 (36:07):
The police are on their way, like.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
What Yeah, Wow, this is wonderful. I've had a lot,
I feel like because I a lot of the things
I've worked towards I wanted for so long, Like it's
crazy to be twenty one and say that I've wanted
this thing for ten years, Like that to me is wild.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
So a lot of things, like I think I'm writing a.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Chapter in my book now called Tears of Joy, which
is just like all the moments in my life. I
feel like because of my career cried Tears of Joy
one being like the first time the New York Times
called and things like that, which are just goals that
I dreamed of since I was a kid, fool us
with being the last thing on my bucket list. So
a lot of those moments were I've and also because
I've done the work is the coolest thing, which I like,
(36:53):
like I've put in the time and it hasn't just
been like I want something and it's happened. It's like
it's been a lot. Just the sleepless nights and you know,
getting through a lot of trauma in my life to
keep going for my passion Chase Apper and things like that.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
But I've had a lot of to branch off of
your severn.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
No celebrity story is after Foolss came out. I was
random story. But I was in the UK on a
train that I was doing shows that summer there with
a bunch of other magicians and this like magic Mega
fan came up to us at our table and was
freaking out because she loved Foolss. And she's like, oh,
you're so and so from the show, and you're so
and so from the show. And I was there too,
(37:30):
but I was like it was a travel day, so
I was in sweats and whatever. My episode had just aired.
So she's freaking out about everyone there, and then one
of the guys he goes, oh, but that's Gabriella. She
just aired, you know this season. She was the girl
that did that straight jacket because it clip did fairly
well when it came out, and she's like, oh really,
and they're like, they pulled the clip up again to
show her the video and she takes the phone and
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she looks at this, like, you know, four K TV
footage of me on she looks at that, She.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Looks at me.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
She looks at that, she goes a nice joke, but no,
and hands the phone back and walks away. And I
was like, god damn, I'm okay. Wow, And now I
feel like me and Sweats is like a total different
animal to me on stage, like, Okay, Now I don't
even have to ever try goat incognito. I am just
(38:19):
constantly in that stays.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I can't imagine even if I thought that, I can't
imagine rude, yeah, vocalizing that's wow.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
At least I never have to worry about an ego.
Like the world's doing a great job. It's just like
grounding me. You know. He's like, you're on a TV show. Well,
let me just show you that you're not. Yeah, you
did great for a girl.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Oh my god, yeah, oh no, that is It's so
so I worry about that here because a lot of
film is starting to film here in New Jersey and
people don't know. Like at this event that I went to,
(39:06):
it was hosted by Apple TV, and you've got like
all the influencers and Deadline and whatever in these seats
and they're doing a live feed onto screens because people
like myself were standing for hours in the back and
the people are like doing that thing that you did
when you were a kid at like a science museum
and you could see your yourself on the screen.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Like.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
People are like like, and I'm just like, can we
all act a little bit classier? Like, no one's gonna
want to come back here if we're acting like a
fourteen year old boy at the at the science museum.
Do you know what I mean. I'm like, I'm gonna
have a little bit more classed.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Can you remember where in the UK you work, Apriella,
because I feel like that makes a difference.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Oh yeah, I think I was leaving Eastbourne on my
way to Edinburgh, so somewhere along that along.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
The entire country. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
It was a long travel day, so you can understand
now I didn't look good. I've been traveling all day, Okay,
I've just been performing in Eastbourne for a bunch of
senior citizens. I wasn't feeling myself. I was in my sweat,
like just it was a long, long day.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
And other people on were the other. Most of the
other people in the car men.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
They were all boys.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
They look the same guys wake up the other day
and look the freaking same. They don't exactly, so they
look fine, and then there's me being like a different
I'm like, felt like a different creature.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
She looked at me like, no, that girl's an octopus.
Were she's talking about.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Oh my god, it's so easy. They you up right?
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Yeah, well they showed her. They were trying to back
me up because she's like, no, I don't feel like
i've seen you. She's like I watched and she was
this mega fan. She's like, I watch every episode I
would know, like I love the show. And they're like no, really,
So they were backing me up by bringing up the
YouTube video, you know, me sitting there all shy like
ready for her to like freak out at me too, Like, well,
she's watching the video and then she says that, and
(41:03):
I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna just like sit
here and cry.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
For a little bit.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
But it was really funny. I found it really funny.
And it also just come out, yeah, like it just
came out. So I was so excited for the world
to see it, like it just aired that week or
something crazy like that. So I was I was ready,
but I probably needed that, you know, a healthy dose
antire you go.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
But she feels like a right moron. Now you may be.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
I think I followed her after that too, because she
had posted a bunch of das I think I did, Like,
I think I followed her and she sent a message
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yes, got like, well we've.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Got her here, come on out.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
I was like, really, you know, it was just some
spiteful thing that I did. Probably I gotta find her again.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Aggression.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
I should have like how long ago was this? This
was a couple year yars ago? Like I was eighteen,
so I had done ergman, I should I'll reach out again.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
And then no, like, hey, cover on the show.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
I'm cudding about how you didn't make it exactly. No,
I feel like I regretted it after because I think
she sent a message. I was like, hey, I was
the girl that you met on the train, and I
was just nice. But I think my response should have
been like really, I don't think so you look really
different to her?
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Oh my god, wow, Yeah, that's brutal. Well, we've learned
train a trained magician at etiquette, which I didn't think
we would be covering. But now now we know how
to act should we come across as train of magicians
Oh God, it's not Harry daughter of it all. Oh
(42:48):
you're not You're not interested daily?
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
I've been looking around to if my Harry Potter wanted
somewhere within reach.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
But I don't think I love how much you love
magic in general, like.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
I'm looking for my Harry Potter.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
I'm actually looking. I feel like I should have a
Harry Potter one.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
I have the Marauders math somewhere in here.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
It's just adorable. I've never seen Harry Potter.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
I was gonna say, but you don't even know Harry.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Your face and was amazing, Like i'd send you like
how Jerry of you a magician? Are not?
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Watch like the only magic movies I've been?
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Man, I would understand.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
I've been in a Harry Potter musical, but I've never
seen the movies.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
What's that?
Speaker 3 (43:37):
What?
Speaker 2 (43:37):
What? What? What? Harry music?
Speaker 1 (43:39):
You were in it or you've seen it.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
I was in a Harry Potter musical acting and what
was it called? I like Harry Potter the Musical or something.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Okay, I went to see a Harry Potter musical that
was like an off Broadway musical.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
Oh yeah, it was that, but like a high school
version table, you're b nerds.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
You were gonna like sing as a song or something.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
No, no, no, I'm a terrible singer. That's why I
would have been a musical theater if I had any
musical talent.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
But I don't.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
Although opening night, Opening night, I had to do a
full show because we were on stage and like our
opening number and the lights failed or something something had happened,
and I'm on stage like frozen in character and whatever
weird dance position I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Really do, and the teacher goes on the PA and
she says, sorry, we have some technical issues, but if
you stay where you are, we're going to fix the problems.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
In the meantime.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
One of our students is actually a magician, and she'll
do a show for you. I'm on stage, no notice,
and I like just like in character, trying to like
shoffle off stage and go through my backpack and try.
I was like, Okay, now we're doing a show.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
It's probably better than the actual show.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Well at least I had lines. I was just happy
to say something.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
I will say so, Gabriella, when I come to l A,
we go to the Magic Castle. When you come to
New York, we have to go see the Harry Potter
Broadway Show because even it's a standalone the practical effects
are magical. Like, yeah, the practical effects that they do.
I had a bruise on my arm. And this is
not an exaggeration because my brother kept elbowing me every
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time something cool would happen, and so I was just
cut into a pulp by him. It is, and they've
shortened it so it's not six hours anymore.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
It's just like three.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
So i'm I'll drag you to that. Out of his
interview was a string.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
No I am, I'm in. At the same time, there
was like an ant crawling on the desk. Where's this
hat come from? So I am very engaged. Don't take
that as uninterested. I also just have a d D
and was like, am I gonna kill him?
Speaker 4 (46:00):
Or keep him?
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Was to keep him as your friend?
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Definitely?
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Anyways, so yes to that, and now I have a hus.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Okay, amazing, it's all happening right yeah, right here? What
else do we need to ask? Emala? Where are we at?
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Where are we hi?
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Every midnight? Here?
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yeah, it's been up since what three o'clock this morning?
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Three am?
Speaker 3 (46:39):
And oh great, I'm ready for the questions. Are just
going to get better?
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Now you've been Almos, You've been a week for almost
four hours.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
This is normal, so normal?
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Are you? The last question that I have because go on,
I fear for everybody's mental health at this point of
the interview.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Uh is it come to any place?
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Do you always have, like, god, I almost had a
trick up your sleeve? Do you always when you're out
like at a thing? Do you always have like a trick.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
That you can Oh my god? What?
Speaker 1 (47:17):
And I don't mean I don't mean like, I don't
mean like the thing coming out of Europe, but like,
is there something? Is there something you can do? Like
we're we're we're getting, we're getting, you know, lunch at
an inauthentic British pub before we see Harry Potter on Broadway?
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Do you have that?
Speaker 3 (47:33):
I just is there a rabbit that's gonna come out
there on the table? Yes? Oh yes there is?
Speaker 1 (47:39):
What trick?
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (47:42):
You have stuffed animal just like that? Yes?
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Yeah, yes, no, I snap and doves fly across the restaurant.
I want to say right now, yes, like something's like
I'll always have a deck of cards or something like
that on me. But I don't often do just kind
of trick. So I'm out and about, but until it's
something cool, until until i'm with you, that.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
I have no idea what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
But I'm along with the read I'm a sketchy you know.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Those Disney shirts that are like I'm with Mickey, I'm
with many of mine. Is gonna be like.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
She's a magician for to go out and you're gonna
put like a sash on me. That's like ask me
for a card trick like okay.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
And then my asks me if I'm famous or I'll
just have I'll do that Shilah buff thing where you
put a paper bag over his head. That's I'm not famous.
Do you guys remember that? Yes?
Speaker 3 (48:31):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
That's great all.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
I can't wait to bring you to the Magic Castle
because I'm genuinely never seen someone as excited as you
about magic in general. And you're on a computer, so
this is wonderful.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Can I wear a gown?
Speaker 3 (48:46):
You're maku We're gonna wear a tiara too if you want.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Well, this has been educational, has it? I've learned a lot? Great?
Speaker 4 (48:58):
Okay, good, okay?
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Really inspirational.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
I dig you on a very serious note and a
very serious note, very inspirational.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
This has been so nice, Manus, thank you so much
for having me. This is a blast.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
Thank you good. I'm glad you enjoyed it because I did. No,
I'm so.
Speaker 4 (49:18):
Entertaining, Tayley, you need to go to bed.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
I do, I do, But that was really fun. That
was like a really fun way to spend the last
hour of this insane day.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
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that's the intro.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Hi. My name is Gabrielle Lester, and I wanted to
be a magician when I grew up.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Of God, you did? You made it happen? Right? I
think I sat super young. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Gonna say I saw that it was like what we
were ten years old?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Yeah, I started pretty young.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
And what was your first day of being like, I'm
gonna try doing this when you're ten years old?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I saw a magician at my school do a magic show,
and afterwards I went up to him to get an
autograph and he took the sharp ye I gave him
and put it, put it up his nose and pulled
it out of his mouth, and it broke my brain
as a kid and then after that, I think I
remember sitting in the back of my classroom trying to
do the same thing with no idea as to how,
and then started looking it up and falling into a
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world of researching it and loving it.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
And I have been doing that since.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
That's amazing. Do you know what's super cool? Like you've
got like I'm assuming that you've got a family who
embraced this in order needs to make this happen.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yes, very fortunately I did.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, so did when you were a kid? Did you
go and say, like, can someone take me to a
store so I can purchase some sort of magic kit?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
It was everything? It's can we order stuff online? Can
I go to these magic swap meets? Can I go
to magic school in Vegas?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Can I? Oh, you know?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Can I have handcuffs Christmas? I had definitely taken my
parents' off guard very quickly with all of it. But
fortunately they're extremely supportive.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
And it worked out for them too, because you didn't.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, good investment, and when you're kind of in your
spare time and not in your magic career, you're also
terrifying your family with your passion for motorsports.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yes, I basically lived to just freak the hell out
of my family is essentially what's happening so far.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Were you always just super brave, like as a kid,
did a kid or did or did the magic corum
and then you were like, oh, I can also do
this other stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
I was a really passionate kid, and my father worked
in office job, so when I was younger, I'd always
go with him to work and just look around and go,
I never want this to be in my life. So
I decided from an early age that whatever I did, I.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Wanted to do to the fullest extent.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Like when I started playing basketball, I wanted to be
the first woman in the NBA. When I started drawing,
I wanted to be a graphic design and so I
really took everything little and made it as extreme as
I could, very quickly, and it became everything. So when
I found magic, I did the same thing, except the
difference was it was just the first thing that really
stuck and has still stuck to this day.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So Gabrielle, so you take your hobbies and you make
them your job.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Yeah, yeah, Magic just actually happened to be the only
one I was good at. Really, once I realized the
high thing was standing in the way of the NBA.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Oh yeah, that's yeah, that's a bit of a problem,
isn't it just slightly?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Just slightly?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Oh, let me just stay on your motorspots for a bit,
because I read that you've got a merch brand. Mm hmm,
what like what made you kind of go down that route?
Is that like that business head again of like like
I need to kind of go down this or is
it something you're really passionate about or.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Yeah, I was really driven to combine the two of them.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
The Magic and the motorsports are just kind of what
that merch company was originally. And I've always been really
interested in trying to go down as many avenues as possible,
you know, being my own business and starting out not
knowing how, I always try to find different ways to
learn and do that, and the merchant was kind of
just a part of that of trying to figure out
if I can make an income from all these other things,
especially as an as an artist and starting out it's
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so difficult, you know, and ever there's no such thing
really as an artist as a stable income.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
It just doesn't exist to you.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
So I learned very quickly from an early age that
I would have to find as many different avenues to
bring revenue in, you know, even as a kid, just
try and learn and do that. And that's what that was.
So it was a passion project but also a way
to learn how to run my own business.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
But we laugh at this, but like this, it's amazing
how many people just don't seem to get that. Yeah,
kind of that is a business. Yeah, at the end
of the day, what was your facts off the internet
that you found out about Gabriella Emilyin.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
My fact is that, well, I would I'm too late
for this, but you were. You were doing a bit
of a run at the Magic Castle. And I lived
in la for ten years. I just moved back a
little under a year ago, and I lived by the
Magic Castle, and every time I drove by, I was like,
how do I get in the Magic Castle? And I
never went. You've never been, no, because don't you have
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to like, don't you have to know someone to get in?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Or is yeah, now you do?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Anytime you do, you're good, We'll do a girl's night.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
You're good.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
The amount of times I was like asking people and listen,
I work in entertainment, so I should have been asking
for favors for like that. But I was like, do
you know to get into them?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
No, it's hard for sure, but you're good anytime.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Let me know. Oh amazing, I guess I have to
go back now. Yeah, So what is that? What is
that like? Because I imagine I've heard you say a couple
of times you make lists of your goals and then
you go after them. What is it like when you
get that call or that email or whatever it was
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that says like you're going to be performing in this
historical venue.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I mean, it was incredible for me. I note about
the Magic Castle for most of my life, and my
goal that I wrote down when I was a kid
was visit the Magic Castle, Like that's what I wanted
to do today is get an invite, get in one day,
get an invite, get in the door. And very fortunately,
the first time I ever went to the Castle, I
was performing and I was about sixteen or seventeen, and
I wasn't allowed to leave the backstage area. So my
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first experience of the Castle was walking in through the
backstage door and out the backstage door, and it was
about a year before I saw anything else in the building.
But it was one of those incredible experiences for me,
I think because I dreamed to even just walk through
those doors, and walking through the stage doors the first
time was really really a wonderful experience, So it means
a lot to me now. I still feel very fortunate
every time I get to be in that space, and
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it is really one of the coolest places on earth.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Haleot's do you have you seen a picture of it? Haley, No,
It's like it's so funny because you would see castle.
It's like when I tell you I'm going to a
pub and you're like, the ceilings are much too high
for that to be a British pub. You'd probably it'd
be like, that's not a castle, but it's it's kind
of like up on a hill, so it looks and
it's just very old, and not very much in la
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is old, so it it just it looks very mysterious.
There's like a kind of like a driveway that goes
up a little bit, so you know, it's it's very
I'm sure if we plucked it out of its spot
it might but it's very all very mysterious and magnificence.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yeah, and yeah, it's like an old mansion that's basically
being converted into this magical clubhouse, so when you see it,
you'd know what it.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Is, and that you can't get into unless you know
somebody magical.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
So like a magical so whole house essentially. Yeah, that's
a great way to put it. Makes me feel much cooler.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
No one's got a house membership that everyone's a guest.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, yeah, and then who's pretending that they but they
have a member.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I want to go back to your sorry, I'm just
like flipping around a little bit, back to your story
of at school with the sharppie up the nose, Like,
do you have any mentors who you've kind of had
from the beginning? Who?
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah, I've luckily, I've had a lot, and I've kind
of grown up in the magic industry. So I've always
said I felt like I've had one hundred dads. It's
been a very male dominated industry and is really close knit.
Everyone knows everyone, and everyone's kind of seen me growing up,
and I've been around grow up and I've been there
for a long time. And that first magician, actually his
name is Sean Farquhar, who did the sharpie thing, and
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he lived in Vancouver, which is where I grew up,
so he became one of my first and closest mentors
and is like family to me now. But I've been
really lucky to have so many mentors and resources and
people to go to, and I've been grateful to see
the progression of my idols become my peers and then
my friends, which has been really.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Wonderful, amazing. Do you see that mentorship is something that's
kind of crucial to you, kind of developed in the
way that you have.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Definitely, I think, especially with something like magic, the best
way to learn is from somebody else. It's just kind
of the only way, and it's one of those arts
that has been passed down that way from generation to
generation or person to person. And books are wonderful and
videos are wonderful, but it just isn't the same as
being hands on and working with someone. And the magic
industry is a really great place for something like that.
And I get a mentor and work with a lot
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of young kids now and it's just the coolest thing in.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
The world for me.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Where do you do that through some in.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Person Like I run some kids seminar where they'll fly
out and they'll come attend there and then I do
someone zoom with kids around the world, and it's the
greatest experience possible.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Have you got some really good up and coming ones,
so you think it gonna like, see this is a career.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yes, No, some that are definitely better than me, I
think already.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
But there's so many.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Yeah, there's so many passionate kids and so many young
women now, which is the big difference. And I think
when I was younger, I didn't really have anyone who
looked like me or was like me to look up to.
So now it's great to work with a bunch of
kids that were like little me. Like I feel like
I'm watching my little self grow up again and get
to be there and have someone that's like me to
talk to. And yeah, I'd give my life for all
of those little ones.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
That's so sweet. Zoom must be an interesting way to
teach somebody a magic trick, now, very Yeah, how does
it even work if you can't see, like everything that's
going on or you can't like touch the same stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Yeah, for the most part, it's really just talking to them,
you know, talking to them about how to build a
show or how to get gigs, or I'll give them
notes on their routines, but it's a less technical stuff
because with magic you can learn technical stuff everywhere. You
can watch a video and learn how to do technical things.
You can read a book and learn how to do slights,
but things that make you a real performer. Learning how
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to take who you are as a human being and
translate that on stage. You know, knowing how to be
in front of an audience, knowing how to build a show,
learning how to expand your repertoire you know at bookings,
and you know, change from being just somebody who loves
what you're doing to be someone who can make money
from it and make it a career and a profession
is more what I kind of like to help with,
because right it was, I was completely.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Lost when I was a kid as to how to
do that.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Did your mentors then teach you at that age how
to make it a business or did you just figure
it out.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
A little bit?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
I did feel like I was on my own a
lot of it, because the industry changed as I grew up.
You know, there's a lot more performers out there now,
a lot more young women. And then also with the
digital age coming in and social media having such a
big impact on the entertainment world and how to grow
a fan base online and audience from there and selling
tickets through there and selling merch through there, and building
a fan base in the digital world. There wasn't really
anyone that knew how to do that, Like there's nobe
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I can ask how do I succeed in this day
and age? Because nobody had existed in this day and
age before, So it was kind of learning as I went.
But now that we're kind of living in this world,
now I have enough resources, I think to be able
to help the little ones figure it out.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I want to with magic. This is going to be
the dumbest question in the world.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
I love dumb questions.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
He's just spilling ours. I'm thinking now, like there's so
much space for things to go wrong, like even howl
do you even do? Like if you're on camera or
doing something live and it goes wrong? Like is that
an experienced thing that?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, No, definitely, it's not a dumb question at all.
It's something that we really do specialize and magicians have
this thing, these things called out. So when you're making
an actor, you're thinking of an act that you want
to do, you think as much as you can about
everything that could go wrong, the spectator messing something up,
the card being wrong at the end, and you think,
how what do I turn this into if something goes wrong,
So you try and think of in advance of all
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the different ways you can turn it into something else
so the audience doesn't notice if something goes wrong. Some
of those things you only discover on the spot when
the one thing in the world you didn't think about
going wrong goes wrong and you have to kind of
be on your toast or turn it into something else.
But yeah, we have to think about it a lot
because there are so many different factors that go into it.
And at the end of the day, it is a
technical skill and you can't always get your technical skill
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right every time. You can't control the audience or the volunteers,
and you have to be you know, which is what
I love about it is you have to be on
your toes and working always and paining attention always. And
it's kind of fun too when things go wrong or
you get thrown a curve ball, because it gets you
to turn it into something else, and sometimes which you
turn it into ends up being better than what the
trick was. Originally and then you keep it that way.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Dang, So with the say that it's still so I
imagine that's similar, but like really really freaking dangerous.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah, we want we try to eliminate it as much
danger as possible. And I don't think that any trick
is ever worth your life. So with a lot of
that stuff, even if it has the appearance of danger,
there won't actually be real danger there.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Of course.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna kill myself on
a Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
I have things to do.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
But yeah, the appearance of danger is definitely there, exactly,
you know, we think ahead, uh, but yeah, it feels
scary and there's the appearance of fear and danger and
all of that, but there really isn't much And of
course things like that can go wrong and that's scary.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
But yeah, that thinking about every available kind of thing
that could go wrong, Like Emily, I think magic might
be for you. No, thinking of everything every I don't
really think that.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I could. I could tell Gabriella everything that could go
wrong with her trick, her personal life, like everything, but
what I need to know. What I cannot do is
handle the moment that it happens. On stage that that
would be a me shaped hole in the wall, like
there would be I could tell I could give you
a PowerPoint, but I don't want to deal with it
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when it happens. So I'd be like a crisis management.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Yes, you could be an advisor. I'll just talk to
you beforehand.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Right exactly. For I would be a great crisis management
for everyone but myself. So great, there you go. I
like your way of thinking, Haley, but I don't. I
would be on stage like calling you, being like, this
guy just said this thing.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
What do I do?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
So I see what the problem is.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, you're gonna tell me that. He seems like a
great guy on I don't know what trick is happening
on stage.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, this is great and he seems wonderful.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Right, I think it's fine, and then you know, he
punches me and the gun takes my wallet and then
I'm like.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Wait, did you die? Are you dead?
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Not?
Speaker 4 (15:23):
This is healthy friendship.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I get into that.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
We're very people.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
I didn't see this.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
We could not be more different. I do remember seeing
Black in La. I went to America's Got Talent, Yeah
a couple of times, and magic on talent shows is
my favorite thing, and there was a trick with an
escape It was like an escape act, but then it
was a fake that the person got crushed by sand
and everyone in the audience was a freaking out because
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they thought that he was now in just easter and we.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Had all just witnessed it death.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, yes, and everyone's like trying to figure out like
how they're going to go on, and then of course
one of the emergency people who runs out is him,
and I was like, this is the coolest I think
escape art is.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Very very cool, very very cool.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, that's one of the coolest fields for sure, and
it does really make you feel like a superhero with
things like, yeah, you know, being able to do whatever
this impossible concept that you have is and bring it
to life, especially with the dramatic music. Yeah, oh yeah,
you feel like the coolest person on the planet when
you have those sound cues going in the light and
the whole audience is freaking out.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
I mean it's a power strike for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yeah. I think there's something so like connective with an
audience about it as well, and like how vulnerable you
kind of make yourself, even if that's part of the act.
It's like there's something connective about it in a way
that nothing else is, I think, and I think you
can change the world with that shit.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yeah, And I think magicians are excellent storytellers. And for
the most part, a lot of us are just ourselves.
You know, we're not acting. It's not theater, we're not
playing a part. We are just who we are, you know.
I always like to say I feel like I take
who I am and turn it inside out and then
go on stage and just show people exactly who I am.
So it's a beautiful way to connect with other people
because there is no role, there's no character. And then also,
you know, when it comes to having kids in the
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audience and you're doing this impossible thing, you're also possible
to them, Like they're seeing somebody that is just a
human who's doing these incredible things. But at the end
of the day, isn't a superhero, isn't a TV character,
isn't yeah somebody in a movie. It's somebody who's completely
possible and realistic for them.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
So my favorite trick is, oh, well, no, this isn't true.
I have so many favorite ones. Haile, you probably didn't
know I was this big of a magic no, I didn't.
But when I am watching talent shows, the thing that
drives me crazy is when the judge I think they
think they're like complimenting the person by being like, this
is really you are just magic, and I'm like, no,
this is a honed, so specific skill. I get that
(17:46):
they're trying to like say that they're the best, but
I'm like, don't take give credit where credits due, like
they worked incredibly hard.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
Yeah, they love that, especially on shows like that, like
Simon Call specifically is known for being someone who wants
to believe in real magic and everything is real magic.
And if you say it's a skill or you learned it,
and he's like, he's out, he has no interest, which
is such an interesting thing in this stay age. Just
don't you know he's like that's a witch.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
No, yes, exactly, which is a compliment in and of itself,
but not the point. Yeah, did you have a favorite
trick that you saw and then learned and then it
was like it lost its magic for lack of a
better word, or or do you when you learn things,
(18:33):
are they still like as amazing as you thought they
were before you figured out how to do them.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Yeah, they're amazing in a different way when you know
how it's done, because some of the methods are actually
a lot cooler than the effects appear to an audience.
When you know the behind the scenes of things, and
as someone who does it for a living, you love
to see these things, like you love to see incredible methods.
You love to see somebody's creative mind that has made
this thing possible. So I think we really like it.
It doesn't ruin it as much for us because it's
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just part of the art. I think when you're younger
sometimes it does. But as you grow up in it,
then you're like craving to know what the method is
or you're guessing what they are. And magicians love to
be fooled, Like we're searching to figure out what we're
going to see one day that's going to absolutely just
blow our minds.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
So we like it.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I think fool Us is one of my favorite the
Penn and Teller show.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I love Penn and Teller. Yeah, yeah, like, how how
did that show come about?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
It's a it's a show where they're sitting in the
audience and magicians come up and try to fool them.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
I love how much Evely you know about metric. You're
just geeking out here. It's very entertaining.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I feel like I'm behind on the time.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Take on, No, it's just listen to quote who who
in the office said this? I blame Harry Potter? No,
I who's oh Angela says that?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
So did you have to do a routine gabriella for them? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Yeah, so you do an app?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
It's like, so, what was it? What was it?
Speaker 4 (19:58):
What did you do?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Sorry? I did avotion like a toddler.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yeah, I did a version of the straight jacket escape,
but with like a car trick mixed into it. It's
on YouTube if you want to watch it. But I
did when I was eighteen, and it was a trick
that I'd never done before, and it was kind of
fresh out of COVID.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
But it was really wonderful experience.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Brave.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Yeah, do you have tricks in your head that you
want to come up with that you like sit on?
I think of this from a writing perspective of like,
I have these characters in my head, or I have
this kind of plot in my head and you toy
with it for like years trying to figure out how
it goes together. Is that the same with magic, where
like you have an idea of a result, and how
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do you like, what is that whole process? From inside?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah, all the time creatively, it's like your brain is
working at the time. There's a hundred effects that I
think that we all want to bring to life at
some point, and you kind of when you start to
look at the world that way, you start coming up
with things, start trying to come up with things like that,
And it's always the concept first, like you always go,
I would love if I could do this. It would
be incredible if you know, I could walk through a
wall and get to the other side, or if somebody
could walk on water and then the water froze, you know,
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something like that. And so it's always the concept first,
and then the method comes later. And some of us
come up with methods quickly, or sometimes it takes a
couple of years. But I think we've all got these
crazy ideas, or at least me at the very least,
of things that I'd love to bring to life one
day that are still works in progress.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Have you got one that you'd like to share with us.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
The first thing I ever really brought to life was
a straight jacket escape, which had been done before. But
the first time I did that, I was fourteen, and
that was like a creasy dream that came from sketches
in my journal of these terrible stick figure drawings. Again,
I couldn't be an artist of wanting to do this
thing and imagining what it would look like. And that
was something that didn't really have a method or an
idea or what I wanted to look like. It came
(21:40):
from nothing like that came from me walking home from
school one day and hanging upside down on the monkey
bars and then getting into a circus gym, to then
getting rigging equipment, to then bringing it to life. So
a lot of it is like that you have this
idea and you live in this weird, confusing, sometimes ugly
messy creative process where you don't really know how you're
going to do these things, but you just slowly kind
of work towards the mental peace it's fall into place,
(22:01):
like being.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
A woman in magic, Like, have you seen a change
while you've been in the industry towards it being a
more open industry?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yeah, we definitely have far more representation, especially like as
you mentioned with shows like Fullest, where we are seeing
people that are like us on TV, Like, there really
wasn't a lot of women broadcasted anywhere in the magic
world other than as the assistants or the dancers are
on stage in that regard. So we're seeing a lot
more of it rise. And it's not even, and it's
far from being even, but there's enough that you can
look around as a young kid and think that this
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is something that you can do now that we have
enough of it out there.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
That's cool.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
They always sell it too, They're always like, and she's
a woman, Like it's still like a declining factor, which
I'm always like, that's not a descriptor for this.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I know. I hate that. That's awful. Yeah. Yeah, Like,
have you ever had like a moment or like a
story in your career where you've kind of thought, God,
like why do I bother? Like have you ever got
to that point as something ever happened to you where
that's been like a kind of bothered.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yeah, sometimes you go through these hard moments of failure
for sure, especially because you know, for me and most performers,
you know, like I said, you are yourself. You're going
out there who you are, So when an audience doesn't
respond or something doesn't go well or you don't feel
like in your mind, and of course you're always your
harshest critic that when you feel like you don't do well,
you take it on a different kind of personal level,
because it's not like you're putting a character out there
or you're adding a book and they didn't like this
(23:30):
story they read. The story they're reading is yours, like
you are yourself, So you can take those hits personally,
and over the years you get better at managing it,
and I definitely have, but I know in those first
couple of years, it was really hard when you're trying
to figure out if this is what you're going to
do with your life, what that's going to look like,
if you can make something of yourself. You know, especially
when you're you feel like you're an undergogger. You are
this young girl who's wanting to do this thing and
(23:51):
make this big impact, and you have dreams that are
ten times the size of you. That those hits and
those failures definitely hurt on a deep level.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Have you had got like a specific moment like that's
kind of changed the path of your career.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Definitely, especially in the first few years when I hadn't
made anything of it, and I was just kind of
a weird kid who was doing this thing. I faced
a lot of that when I started doing the escapes,
or even throughout school. You know, I was just kind
of like this weird magic kid who was doing this
thing and it didn't really make sense. And for example,
something like the straight jacket, appearance wise, it looked like
this remarkable, cool, impressive thing. I was upside down at
(24:38):
forty feet in the air, there were strobe lights and
music and drama, and it was this image wise, this
great thing. But I still remember doing that and hearing
kids in the audience laughing because they didn't get it
didn't make sense. And you have moments like that a
lot where you're just what you're doing should be, like
you mentioned, it should be cool or it should be impressive,
but people don't always understand it. And it's I think
(24:59):
that beginning phase. This is the scariest thing because until
you've made something of yourself, whatever, making something looks like,
people don't necessarily take you seriously, and you have to
find a way to, you know, put those blinders on
and keep doing what you're doing. And that as a kid,
you know, when you're figuring out who you are and
you also want to be liked and you also want
to chase your passion. It's a hard thing to balance
(25:20):
at the same time because you're just giving up a
lot of the normal cool stereotypes of being a kid
and growing up that you would have had otherwise. So
I sacrificed being a cool kid for doing something I
loved and in the end it paid off, but for
a while it didn't.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, it's such a vulnerable place to put yourself, like
with other kids like laughing at you and stuff like,
do you do anything to kind of protect yourself, because
like you're putting yourself out there every day like that
and putting like you're not putting on an app, this
is who you are. Like, do you kind of do
anything to kind of like protect your being away from
(25:55):
being the performer? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:57):
You just, like I said, you have to have those
blinders on and know that we you're doing this for
a greater purpose and what you're working towards is going
to matter a lot more than what you're just doing today.
And one of my friends said something before I went
on stage once that was really incredible. I was really
nervous for performance. I think we're filming it for a
TV show. And he had said to me, no matter
what happens today, you were going to go home and
you're still going to be you. And that's something that
(26:19):
I repeat in my head all the time when I'm
worried about failure or not doing well, the audience not
loving something. Is that what I am chasing is so
much bigger than whatever happens today. I want today to
go well. I want to care, I want to give
it my best. But if it doesn't go well, then
I'm still going to go home and keep chasing this thing.
And nothing that happens to me, no bad show, no failure,
and nothing going wrong is ever going to stand in
the way from me still going home and waking up
(26:42):
the next day and working towards this bigger goal in
the stream, Like I'll always do that.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
That's incredibly inspirational. Thank you, that's it. That is a
good things happening in your head.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Mine usually is like, no matter what happens, I'll go
home and eat, like order a hamburger.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
But I like your yeah I do that too, No, yeah, yeah, yeah,
carbs are a healthy man.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I'm always like there's I make it into a tangible
thing rather than probably should just you know, do it
up here and then self confidence area.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
But yeah, no, there's still a lot of hamburgers involved,
don't worry.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I love I loved the quote from your Ted talk
where you said that we are the things that we
love or I'm probably paraphrasing that. That's such a lovely thing,
because I think a lot of times, I'm like a
lot of the stuff I like is very dorky and
you know, niche, and like when Haley and I met
(27:34):
for the first time, I was like, we're going to
Hans Zimmer concert at the O two Arena, and thankfully
she she came. But you know, just like things where
I'm like a lot of people would be like who
and what and where and we're gonna sit and watch
orchestra music for three hours and so to think of
it and like, oh I am the things I love.
I'm like, oh, I love those things. Like I like
(27:56):
the fact that I would radiate that, so I really
I actually I wrote that in my notebook when I
heard you say it, because I was like, oh, that's
a really lovely way to look at yourself. Yeah, no,
I love that full of wisdom absolutely.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
That's good. That's why you're good mental.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yes, hope. So I may have to start taking zoom
magical life. What would your definition be of making it?
And this could be in career or in life or
(28:36):
a mold of both things.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Yeah, I think it's a mix.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I think I want to do as much as possible,
especially as you know, in this industry there's never been
a woman at the top. Really, we haven't had a
female Copperfield or Houdini, and that person could and should
exist now, and with the right steps and effort, it's
possible to become that person. But I also just want
to like the way that I get there too, you know,
like I still want to love my passion at the
(29:01):
end of the day, and I still want to like
who I am and how I took the steps to
get there. So I want to get as close as
I can to that. But well, liking the journey and
if that means I go, you know, a shorter amount
further than I would rather do.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
That that's great.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah, it's about the journey, isn't it. If you if
you've got like worldwide like notoriety tomorrow like what is
the like, what is there to enjoying that?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Yeah, it just doesn't mean as much. I like the
hustle for me, that's my favorite. It's like the working
and the thinking and the learning and the you know,
failing and then getting things wrong and the trying again
and all of that I love the most.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yes, I love that. I love that. If you were
gonna kind of sum up your career journey so far
in like a chapter title, so I know you don't
like me keeping saying this, Emily, but if this podcast
was a book, and Gabrielle your your episode it was
(29:57):
a chapter, like what with the title of that chapter?
What is the title of your career so far?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
That was very well, Sorry, Yeah, that it was a
great question.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Great question, Gabriella, really really really good stuffe I would
probably say like dreaming, I think for me is the
biggest thing. Like I'm still such a big dreamer, and
no matter how much I accomplish, you like work towards
you know, it might be a cliche answer, but it's
(30:29):
really dreaming for me, I still spend so much time
doing that and thinking of the future. Not just says
like I want this goal or I want this thing.
I want this awards, Like I want this dream, I
want this thing that's going.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
To make me excited or happy. So yeah, dreaming.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
I just think that's a theme of everything that you do,
isn't it, Because like even like the like working on
the concepts, that's it's all in. It's all a brain thing,
it's all. It's not like you can kind of practically
do it all straight away. It's like he's laying the groundwork,
isn't it. Yeah, that's interesting how it kind of feeds
into every aspect of your kind of work and your
(31:06):
future as well. Fascinating on Emily, I was just I
was just I'm just.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
The dynamic between you two is amazing, by the way.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I'm really enjoying it.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
It's so fun. It's very Type I and I'm very
Type B.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I feel like we are on the extreme and we're
on like a news channel, And and you said it
down and then I take like that delayed pause, and
I'm like, thanks, Hailey, what was I going to?
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I know what I was gonna say, because it's a
question that could possibly help me that I think you
might have the answer to or.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Some help already.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
We all work in this might help you, Haley, actly, No,
you probably you know, you probably already have beyond it.
I don't how do you? Because we all work in
fields where technically not even technically, there's no clock out hour,
like you could always be writing more, thinking of new tricks,
(32:13):
doing something to like like I'm always like, oh my god,
is someone working an hour later than me on this
thing or sending one more email? And is that's going
to be the how do you asking for a friend?
How do you? And it's how do you manage to
be like these are my even brain business hours? And
(32:36):
now I'm gonna like what do you? And then what
do you then go do to take yourself out of
that space?
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I think you have to know what your limit is
and you can feel it, like you know yourself the best,
so you can feel when you're doing something too much
or working too hard, and you have to be able
to like put stuff down. It also makes you better
at whatever you're working at towards when you're able to
step down and take a step back and then come
back to it. And for me, I love being a beginner,
Like I still have a million hobbies and I spend
a lot of my time doing that, So I try
(33:05):
and focus on other things that I care about or like, like,
you know, learning to play an instrument, or learning to
skateboard or riding the motorcycles or whatever it is, and
things like that that I feel a lot of my
time with that. It gives me other things to fixate on,
because otherwise I will work myself into a hole. And
when it's your passion too, you also love it. So
it's work, but it's why not, you know, it's why
not work hard? Or why not write another chapter? Why
(33:25):
not stay up a little later and all these things.
But you know, I think when you start to notice
as time progresses, how much better your work is when
you're able to put it down and come back to it. Then,
when you just try to work NonStop, is probably the
healthiest tool that I've learned. And it's hard sometimes I
don't always get it, you know, right, And we all
like to just work and work and work. But I
try and put it down as much as I can.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Too, And what do you choose to do when you
put it down?
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Right?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
I'm learning to play the piano right now, and yesterday
I finger painted a caterpillar, so that's great.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
So a lot of like random other things.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Oh that's just other hobbies.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah, it's important. Off the back of that, like what
is your creative process, like, like do you have any
weird rituals or anything that you do? Our superstitions are
things that you do to make and make the magic
happen when you're in the work zone.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah, Like I try and imagine some kind of end
goal that really excites me to work towards because it's
always like messy and you have all these ups and
downs and failures and it always takes longer than you expect.
But for me, like I imagine some weird end goal.
Right now, I'm writing a book that's going to come
out at the end of the year, and this I
know now it's going to be it's great process, but
(34:47):
also it's going to be long and tiring and editing
and a lot of like, you know, how do I
write a life story when I'm twenty one? Who's going
to read this? What are you all of that self
doubta I know is going to come. But for me,
I am imagining like the book launch party, like I
fix sit on that I picked some dream at the
end of at the end of the tunnel, and I
just think about that. So now every day when I
want to write or I'm thinking about it before I
(35:07):
go to sleep, Like I just imagine thinking more details
about that. Who I'm going to invite, what it's going
to look like, where it's going to be, what kind
of room I want to have it, and so I
have something exciting to look towards.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
So a lot of my creative.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Processes that like really imagining a specific thing when I'm
working on a new act that I want to do
on a TV show on a revenue, Like I imagine, you know,
people in the audience, what their reactions are going to be,
or what it's going to be like to see people
lining up for my show one day in whatever city
I want to get to, and things like that is
what keeps me inspired to continue to create. You when
creating gets exhausting, woman out there, my own heart.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
It's like advanced manifestation. Oh yeah, like what is your
like big pinch me moment? Oh good job, Haley, I
know it's all right. I've had a beer. I've had
a beer during this podcast and it makes me really
good at segues.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
This is really good.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Haley, what was she pinched? Me?
Speaker 2 (36:04):
What was she pinched?
Speaker 1 (36:07):
The police are on their way, like.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
What Yeah, Wow, this is wonderful. I've had a lot,
I feel like because I a lot of the things
I've worked towards I wanted for so long, Like it's
crazy to be twenty one and say that I've wanted
this thing for ten years, Like that to me is wild.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
So a lot of things, like I think I'm writing a.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Chapter in my book now called Tears of Joy, which
is just like all the moments in my life. I
feel like because of my career cried Tears of Joy
one being like the first time the New York Times
called and things like that, which are just goals that
I dreamed of since I was a kid, fool us
with being the last thing on my bucket list. So
a lot of those moments were I've and also because
I've done the work is the coolest thing, which I like,
(36:53):
like I've put in the time and it hasn't just
been like I want something and it's happened. It's like
it's been a lot. Just the sleepless nights and you know,
getting through a lot of trauma in my life to
keep going for my passion Chase Apper and things like that.
Speaker 4 (37:05):
But I've had a lot of to branch off of
your severn.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
No celebrity story is after Foolss came out. I was
random story. But I was in the UK on a
train that I was doing shows that summer there with
a bunch of other magicians and this like magic Mega
fan came up to us at our table and was
freaking out because she loved Foolss. And she's like, oh,
you're so and so from the show, and you're so
and so from the show. And I was there too,
(37:30):
but I was like it was a travel day, so
I was in sweats and whatever. My episode had just aired.
So she's freaking out about everyone there, and then one
of the guys he goes, oh, but that's Gabriella. She
just aired, you know this season. She was the girl
that did that straight jacket because it clip did fairly
well when it came out, and she's like, oh really,
and they're like, they pulled the clip up again to
show her the video and she takes the phone and
(37:51):
she looks at this, like, you know, four K TV
footage of me on she looks at that, She.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Looks at me.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
She looks at that, she goes a nice joke, but no,
and hands the phone back and walks away. And I
was like, god damn, I'm okay. Wow, And now I
feel like me and Sweats is like a total different
animal to me on stage, like, Okay, Now I don't
even have to ever try goat incognito. I am just
(38:19):
constantly in that stays.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I can't imagine even if I thought that, I can't
imagine rude, yeah, vocalizing that's wow.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
At least I never have to worry about an ego.
Like the world's doing a great job. It's just like
grounding me. You know. He's like, you're on a TV show. Well,
let me just show you that you're not. Yeah, you
did great for a girl.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Oh my god, yeah, oh no, that is It's so
so I worry about that here because a lot of
film is starting to film here in New Jersey and
people don't know. Like at this event that I went to,
(39:06):
it was hosted by Apple TV, and you've got like
all the influencers and Deadline and whatever in these seats
and they're doing a live feed onto screens because people
like myself were standing for hours in the back and
the people are like doing that thing that you did
when you were a kid at like a science museum
and you could see your yourself on the screen.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Like.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
People are like like, and I'm just like, can we
all act a little bit classier? Like, no one's gonna
want to come back here if we're acting like a
fourteen year old boy at the at the science museum.
Do you know what I mean. I'm like, I'm gonna
have a little bit more classed.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Can you remember where in the UK you work, Apriella,
because I feel like that makes a difference.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Oh yeah, I think I was leaving Eastbourne on my
way to Edinburgh, so somewhere along that along.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
The entire country. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
It was a long travel day, so you can understand
now I didn't look good. I've been traveling all day, Okay,
I've just been performing in Eastbourne for a bunch of
senior citizens. I wasn't feeling myself. I was in my sweat,
like just it was a long, long day.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
And other people on were the other. Most of the
other people in the car men.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
They were all boys.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
They look the same guys wake up the other day
and look the freaking same. They don't exactly, so they
look fine, and then there's me being like a different
I'm like, felt like a different creature.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
She looked at me like, no, that girl's an octopus.
Were she's talking about.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Oh my god, it's so easy. They you up right?
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Yeah, well they showed her. They were trying to back
me up because she's like, no, I don't feel like
i've seen you. She's like I watched and she was
this mega fan. She's like, I watch every episode I
would know, like I love the show. And they're like no, really,
So they were backing me up by bringing up the
YouTube video, you know, me sitting there all shy like
ready for her to like freak out at me too, Like, well,
she's watching the video and then she says that, and
(41:03):
I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna just like sit
here and cry.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
For a little bit.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
But it was really funny. I found it really funny.
And it also just come out, yeah, like it just
came out. So I was so excited for the world
to see it, like it just aired that week or
something crazy like that. So I was I was ready,
but I probably needed that, you know, a healthy dose
antire you go.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
But she feels like a right moron. Now you may be.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
I think I followed her after that too, because she
had posted a bunch of das I think I did, Like,
I think I followed her and she sent a message
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yes, got like, well we've.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Got her here, come on out.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
I was like, really, you know, it was just some
spiteful thing that I did. Probably I gotta find her again.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Aggression.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
I should have like how long ago was this? This
was a couple year yars ago? Like I was eighteen,
so I had done ergman, I should I'll reach out again.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
And then no, like, hey, cover on the show.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
I'm cudding about how you didn't make it exactly. No,
I feel like I regretted it after because I think
she sent a message. I was like, hey, I was
the girl that you met on the train, and I
was just nice. But I think my response should have
been like really, I don't think so you look really
different to her?
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Oh my god, wow, Yeah, that's brutal. Well, we've learned
train a trained magician at etiquette, which I didn't think
we would be covering. But now now we know how
to act should we come across as train of magicians
Oh God, it's not Harry daughter of it all. Oh
(42:48):
you're not You're not interested daily?
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
I've been looking around to if my Harry Potter wanted
somewhere within reach.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
But I don't think I love how much you love
magic in general, like.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
I'm looking for my Harry Potter.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
I'm actually looking. I feel like I should have a
Harry Potter one.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
I have the Marauders math somewhere in here.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
It's just adorable. I've never seen Harry Potter.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
I was gonna say, but you don't even know Harry.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Your face and was amazing, Like i'd send you like
how Jerry of you a magician? Are not?
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Watch like the only magic movies I've been?
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Man, I would understand.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
I've been in a Harry Potter musical, but I've never
seen the movies.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
What's that?
Speaker 3 (43:37):
What?
Speaker 2 (43:37):
What? What? What? Harry music?
Speaker 1 (43:39):
You were in it or you've seen it.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
I was in a Harry Potter musical acting and what
was it called? I like Harry Potter the Musical or something.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Okay, I went to see a Harry Potter musical that
was like an off Broadway musical.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
Oh yeah, it was that, but like a high school
version table, you're b nerds.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
You were gonna like sing as a song or something.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
No, no, no, I'm a terrible singer. That's why I
would have been a musical theater if I had any
musical talent.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
But I don't.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
Although opening night, Opening night, I had to do a
full show because we were on stage and like our
opening number and the lights failed or something something had happened,
and I'm on stage like frozen in character and whatever
weird dance position I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Really do, and the teacher goes on the PA and
she says, sorry, we have some technical issues, but if
you stay where you are, we're going to fix the problems.
Speaker 4 (44:35):
In the meantime.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
One of our students is actually a magician, and she'll
do a show for you. I'm on stage, no notice,
and I like just like in character, trying to like
shoffle off stage and go through my backpack and try.
I was like, Okay, now we're doing a show.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
It's probably better than the actual show.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Well at least I had lines. I was just happy
to say something.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
I will say so, Gabriella, when I come to l A,
we go to the Magic Castle. When you come to
New York, we have to go see the Harry Potter
Broadway Show because even it's a standalone the practical effects
are magical. Like, yeah, the practical effects that they do.
I had a bruise on my arm. And this is
not an exaggeration because my brother kept elbowing me every
(45:22):
time something cool would happen, and so I was just
cut into a pulp by him. It is, and they've
shortened it so it's not six hours anymore.
Speaker 4 (45:32):
It's just like three.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
So i'm I'll drag you to that. Out of his
interview was a string.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
No I am, I'm in. At the same time, there
was like an ant crawling on the desk. Where's this
hat come from? So I am very engaged. Don't take
that as uninterested. I also just have a d D
and was like, am I gonna kill him?
Speaker 4 (46:00):
Or keep him?
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Was to keep him as your friend?
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Definitely?
Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Anyways, so yes to that, and now I have a hus.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Okay, amazing, it's all happening right yeah, right here? What
else do we need to ask? Emala? Where are we at?
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Where are we hi?
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Every midnight? Here?
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yeah, it's been up since what three o'clock this morning?
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Three am?
Speaker 3 (46:39):
And oh great, I'm ready for the questions. Are just
going to get better?
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Now you've been Almos, You've been a week for almost
four hours.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
This is normal, so normal?
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Are you? The last question that I have because go on,
I fear for everybody's mental health at this point of
the interview.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
Uh is it come to any place?
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Do you always have, like, god, I almost had a
trick up your sleeve? Do you always when you're out
like at a thing? Do you always have like a trick.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
That you can Oh my god? What?
Speaker 1 (47:17):
And I don't mean I don't mean like, I don't
mean like the thing coming out of Europe, but like,
is there something? Is there something you can do? Like
we're we're we're getting, we're getting, you know, lunch at
an inauthentic British pub before we see Harry Potter on Broadway?
Speaker 2 (47:32):
Do you have that?
Speaker 3 (47:33):
I just is there a rabbit that's gonna come out
there on the table? Yes? Oh yes there is?
Speaker 1 (47:39):
What trick?
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (47:42):
You have stuffed animal just like that? Yes?
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Yeah, yes, no, I snap and doves fly across the restaurant.
I want to say right now, yes, like something's like
I'll always have a deck of cards or something like
that on me. But I don't often do just kind
of trick. So I'm out and about, but until it's
something cool, until until i'm with you, that.
Speaker 4 (48:04):
I have no idea what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
But I'm along with the read I'm a sketchy you know.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Those Disney shirts that are like I'm with Mickey, I'm
with many of mine. Is gonna be like.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
She's a magician for to go out and you're gonna
put like a sash on me. That's like ask me
for a card trick like okay.
Speaker 1 (48:21):
And then my asks me if I'm famous or I'll
just have I'll do that Shilah buff thing where you
put a paper bag over his head. That's I'm not famous.
Do you guys remember that? Yes?
Speaker 3 (48:31):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
That's great all.
Speaker 3 (48:33):
I can't wait to bring you to the Magic Castle
because I'm genuinely never seen someone as excited as you
about magic in general. And you're on a computer, so
this is wonderful.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
Can I wear a gown?
Speaker 3 (48:46):
You're maku We're gonna wear a tiara too if you want.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Well, this has been educational, has it? I've learned a lot? Great?
Speaker 4 (48:58):
Okay, good, okay?
Speaker 2 (49:00):
Really inspirational.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
I dig you on a very serious note and a
very serious note, very inspirational.
Speaker 4 (49:07):
This has been so nice, Manus, thank you so much
for having me. This is a blast.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
Thank you good. I'm glad you enjoyed it because I did. No,
I'm so.
Speaker 4 (49:18):
Entertaining, Tayley, you need to go to bed.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
I do, I do, But that was really fun. That
was like a really fun way to spend the last
hour of this insane day.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
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