August 18, 2025 • 49 mins
Comedian and YouTube king Ryan George returns to the pod to talk to Emily and Haley about losing out (yet again) on playing Harry Potter, taking a step back from his hit 'Pitch Meeting' web series, and his dream of writing for 'Love Island.' Emily wonders at what age Ryan's daughter will discover his YouTube videos, Haley compliments Ryan's British accent, and we find the line between what's stupid and what's funny. So nail some bread to a tree, have a baby, and avoid the empty subway cars as you listen to Ryan George's epic return to 'How To Make It.'
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Emily and I'm Haley. After meeting online, we
became international best friends who bonded over how hard it
is to find success in the entertainment industry.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Join us and our celebrity co authors as they help
us write the book on how to make.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
It and, more importantly, uncover what making it even means?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
May that made us sound so much more serious than
we actually are?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Should we switch roles on this time? Okay, see that's
the intro. How are you doing, Delegate from Canada?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I'm all right, iank surviving. I'm on the tail end
of some COVID which is nice. Yeah, it still exists.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Oh that's right. So when you posted that on your story,
I thought it was a pregnancy test.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah, and a lot of people did.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I almost congratulated you, and then I got a lot
of congratulatory messages and I confuse my family as well.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
They everyone thought that, Like, I guess, COVID tests aren't
a big part of our lives anymore so, but it's
still out there.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
But yeah, you were brewing something else.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah it was a small child. It's really light cough.
So yeah, if I don't sound great, So that's that's
why when.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
You have COVID, Ryan, do you get the crappy backache
of crappiness?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, the body aches were real bad this time.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I haven't had it.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
So you've never had COVID? Wow, pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I've had it about seven times now.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
You get that? Do you get it on film sets?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah? I think that's what it is. Yeah, they just
go around.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, and I worked on I worked on shows in
twenty I was on set in twenty twenty and I
still never oh wow, still never got it.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
You know, just one of these people who's just immune.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I'm usually not one of those people. So I'll take it.
I'm sorry to ruin both of your guys almost fourth
of July plans. You know it's.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I yes, it means no sing to me.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
We had all had a day a couple of days ago.
That's jill I first. I don't know if you guys
knew that.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I'm so sorry I did.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
That's exciting.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I didn't reach out.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
What do you do?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
You get COVID and you stay home?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Oh shit, it's a new holiday as of twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah. Now people get together and drink and they sometimes
we have parades. We haven't had one in Montreal for
a couple of years for logistical reasons I don't know.
But and then on the twenty fourth of June is
the provincial holiday of Quebec called the Las Saint Jean Battists,
which that's that's another big thing. Was music and parades
and drinking. Are drinking busy.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Times general drinking?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
You did well here, We don't like we don't quite
have an episode two roadmap. So I just have a
bunch of bullet points that I that we've shared with
each other, and we can just we can just chat.
I guess sure.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I got a random set of handwritten notes blue tacked
to my computer screen.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Well, I'm gonna I'll go first with the biggest change
since we last talked to you, which is that you
are now a dad.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yes, I am now a dad. That is That is
the biggest change. I can confirm that that changes things.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Are you are you gonna start making pitch meetings of
like Cayu episodes and and uh or are you're just
gonna wait until she discovers these videos when she gets older.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah? No, I'm not gonna make her her pitch meetings.
We are trying to the only thing that comes on
the screen for is miss Rachel. Rachel's so good. She's
so great. But we're doing like you know, like you're
supposed to limit screen time and whatnot, and but she
has like like she's seen me on the screen, like
if she's in my office or something and I'm editing
(04:12):
a video of myself and she like points. You know,
I don't know what's going on in her mind, but
that's that's gonna be a thing that she'll be able
to see me. It's weird. I had I hadn't really
thought of that. Like, when she's older, you can watch
day's worth of videos that I made.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
We were talking last time about like just the daily
grind of creating the pitch meeting work all the time,
and like, I don't know if this is a bit
of a rude question, but I'm just gonna go for it.
Was having a baby like a really great excuse to
finally kind of take off the fake producers blazer a bit,
(04:51):
because I would definitely use a baby as an excuse
for that.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Kind of Part of it was definitely that, yeah, I
did it for like almost a year after she was born, still,
you know, and yeah, yeah, by episode four, hundred, though
I was kind of like, you know, I spend like
two three days per week on these things, and there
are a lot of work, and on weeks where there
(05:17):
aren't any new releases, I'm covering old movies and I've
done like I've done everything, like I'm scraping the bottom
of the barrel for movies to do. I'm like, oh,
I guess I didn't do nineteen eighty four super Girl
or something. So yeah, Increasingly it became like, well, why
am I trying so hard for this to be a
(05:37):
weekly thing? And I'll be able to spend more time
with my daughter, so it just, yeah, it became kind
of a no brainer. It was funny because I was
like talking with my wife and I was like, I
was approaching episode four hundred, and I usually do something
special every hundred episodes, and I was kind of like,
you know what, I think I might hang it up,
but five hundred, and then like two days later, it's like,
(05:59):
you know, four fifty sounds like a good number to stop.
And then I was like, I think I'm done. Next
week I was gonna stop, Like I was gonna be
like like hang up the Blazer completely. But the folks
at screen. Ran were like, oh, you could if you want,
you could just like do one a month, like just
to keep it alive. And I was like, oh, yeah,
(06:21):
that sounds fine. Like I there's still it's still fun
to do and people still like it. So I'm it's
cool to not have to you know, close the chapter completely.
I can still go out and do them, and yes,
people people seem to still you know, like them for
new releases, so it's yeah, it's a good situation. And
I spend more time with my daughter and on other stuff.
(06:42):
It's yeah, it's a good change.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
People love them. They don't just like them, they like
from at the mouth.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Well, I can't say that.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It's much that you've like been able to keep the
quality for so high for all that time, Like you
just this woman Comedy Machine four.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Hundred The four hundredth was so funny, and when it
came out, I sent it to Haley immediately and I
was like, wait until the British TV part.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
If I could do a oh yes, I did do that.
Oh my god, I completely forgot. I was like, if
I could do a British accent, I would do more stuff.
But yeah, I know, there was a full yeah. Fully,
I don't think it was a good British accent.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Though, oh it was great.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I just I was like, I'll go over the top
with it because I can't actually do.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
One great do it.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So after doing I'm wondering. This question actually comes from
my dad. My dad was wondering. He was like, ask
him because of the pitch meeting. He's like, when you
when you write like your own stuff, when you write
your own comedy, is it gonna have to be so
air tight or are you gonna let you know the
(07:57):
movie rules apply? And then pitch meeting your will you
write the perfect movie that has no plot holes?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Like if I'm writing a movie.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, because you're so attuned to being like wait.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
What yeah, if I do, Yeah, if I do write
a movie, someday, I do need to. I do think
that there will be extra pressure because people will like
I definitely everyone's gonna like make one of the movie. Yeah,
but it's yeah, absolutely, absolutely, yeah, definitely. I'm always thinking,
(08:36):
even like just in my little sketches, I'm thinking, I'm
thinking of the logic of it, Like, even though it's
absurd stuff, if something happens that wouldn't that doesn't make
sense within the rules of the absurdity. Then I'm like, no,
I can't do that. That doesn't make any sense, Like yeah,
low tolerance for plot holes for sure, for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
How do you know, though, how do you know when
something it's just dumb or like this beautiful kind of
dumb that needs to be immortalized, Like how do you know?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Oh man, that's a great question. Have no idea when
is something dumb?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
When is it dumb? And when is it like absurd
and beautiful? And like the bit that springs to mind
for me is a fit where you like you were
naming tools and there's the ham sandwich and like that's
right on the edge. That's right on the edge, like
the sanwich and the hammer. It's proper on the edge.
That for me, Yeah, it like to be fair.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah, if you think about it too much, like it
doesn't make sense because how did like how did the
world get built? If tools didn't have names yet, it
would have been insanity. Like hand me that you'd have
to point at the one every time and you'd have
to like you'd have to describe it when you're like
the manufacturers would have to describe the tool. It just
doesn't you can't think about it too much. I could
(09:57):
pitch meeting my own sketches. Probably. Yeah, You're like, does
the out of the world come to me? Yeah, I
don't know. Just like establish a rule and then stick
to it. This is a world in which everything is
normal except tools don't have names yet, and that's stick
to that. And then everyone has the same face also,
and this company is in charge of this for some reason.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
So funny. Have you ever like scrapped to sketch halfway
through filming because it got too weird even for you?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
It's probably happened. There are some Sometimes I reach a
point where like I'm like, yeah, no, that can't I
can't think of an example, unfortunately, but it's definitely happened
a few times where I'm like, this just doesn't make
enough sense that I can do it. There's like like
sketches start with like a little nugget of an idea
or like a nugget of truth of something of like, oh,
(10:48):
this is a weird thing, but then you got to
like wrap it up into something. And sometimes it's just
you can't find a home for it, but you just
you know, I make a note of it, and sometimes
it comes back a couple of years later and I
it becomes a throwaway joke in a different thing or something.
You know, Yeah, nothing is wasted. I use the whole
I used all of the joke.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Do you have a notes up of doom. I've got
like a notes thing that I just dump everything in.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And once in a while, every couple
of months, I go through it and I'm like, try
to make sense of it or find some like what
am I talking about? My worst example of a note
that this is like fifteen years ago, and I was
out drinking with my friends and I thought of an
idea that was so funny to me, and I made
a note of it, and then the next day I
(11:36):
checked it and it just said what if people pooped
in public? Like people pee in public? I was like,
that's nothing.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Where are people peeing in public?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Cause, like I think I must have seen like a
drunk guy like peeing on the side of a building.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Clearly, you've been spend enough time in New York if
you don't think people are taking I guess like the
middle of the subway.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yeah, yeah, I guess that's yeah, I guess that that
just is New York. Also, so I haven't made that
sketch because it's just New York.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I remember when my brother used to live there many
years ago. He was like just a tip, Like if
you see an empty subway car, like, it's not a
good thing. It usually means someone's taking a poop. Oh wow, yeah,
I know it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
So who cleans Who cleans those up? Like do that?
How long do they stay there? You think?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I mean they're they're traveling at the speed of light
on a very tight schedule, so it might not be
until like that car goes out of service because it's
twenty four hours you know.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Oh wow. Yeah. See, our subway system stops at like
two am or three one am or something and they
clean up the cars. And then he started at five am.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Does not stop.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
They just wait until people have stepped on the poop
that it's like has left the building. Wow wow, what.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
A place this has gone?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Podcast called how to Make It How to Poop?
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I was thinking of like sports people because like Paula
Radcliffe had to do a poop in the middle of
her marathon, and like Gary Lineker was famously like he
famously had to poop in the middle of a big
England match, like it seems to be a sports thing
over here where people just take a ship.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
And did they just do you just poop?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
While on live TV?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I heard that's the thing like with marathons, like like
by the end, like you start to lose control of
your bodily functions.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, so you poop? And she was there, She was Polly.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I don't have a colin and I've done half marathons
and I don't even.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Are you a professional sports person who needs the time?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Emily? Oh so once I get paid for it, then
I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Then you got a ship wherever you want?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, well, huh, I'm gonna I'm gonna segue. You mentioned
the word or the name Rodcliffe Haley and.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
What oh, oh my god, I'm gonna go and I'm
gonna steer this ship filled subway train into saying Ryan,
you once again didn't get into Harry Potter.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I know, I know, I don't know. I'll get him
next time, I guess, But increasingly I can't see it,
you know, like I don't have the right glasses anymore.
I still can't do a British accent.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Well, Tom Felton is going to be on Broadway for
like a while playing Malfoy, So you could do the
older version. You just have to be on a play
or something.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah, is it a musical or is it a play?
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Is a play?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Oh? I kind of thought they sang that's too bad.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I would have loved it.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Spami's six and a half hours was enough without singing.
I think I think it would improve it.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
I think if it as a musical, it wouldn't be
six and a half hours because they just sing how
they're feeling, you know, and they like that advance. You
could fit like twenty scenes into one if the person's like,
I feel the trayed and now I'm going to plan
this and hear it. Oh I didn't. I didn't succeed.
You know how musicals work.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, yeah, I you know it was a lot of arguing.
You watched all of it, the Harry Potter play. Yeah,
all six and a half hours?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, say much. I wasn't a fan. I didn't.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
There's the thumbnail.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Thumbnail break. Great, that saves me actually a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Maybe we should have stat put in that in.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I was.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I had in my notes for us all to do
thumbnail poses at the end.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Wow, So now nice, everybody's just fun as Ryan though
I know.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
They don't play the thumbnail game. You know it's part
of my job's time.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Well, okay, Well, the reason I also brought up no,
I know it's okay. The reason I also brought up
Harry Potter is because I was going to go. I
have to go. I have to pay to see Tom
Felton stand on a stage in that receding hairline, blonde
wig like. I feel like you owe it to yourself
(16:21):
to just He's only in the play for like like
five minutes.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
But oh, is Draco not a big character in the
Curse Trial?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
No, he just comes out and then, you know, does
some of the arguing and then there's a lot of yelling,
a lot of yelling.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Good gig for him, are you?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah? That's great best, Like people are gonna freak out.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Yeah, it's great marketing for the play.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I've got something if you haven't go for it.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
You said last time that some of your sketch ideas
come from reddit rabbit holes, which I am really guilty
of falling down all the time. What's the most superreddit
that you ever seen?
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Oh? I recently I made a because I started a
second or third channel, fourth channel. I don't know how
many channels I have. And I did a video about
this subreddit, actually a bunch of subreddits. There's so many
tree related subreddits and they're all weird. But this one
is called bread Stapled to Trees and it's literally like
(17:22):
people share pictures of different kinds of bread that they
staple to trees, and they'll say, like what kind of
bread and what kind of tree. It'll be like slice
of sour dough on an oak. And then the common
sections are so supportive. It's such a nice community. They're
like they're they all write so politely to like lovely work, sir,
(17:45):
that is a great, great piece of bread on that tree,
Like it's it's kind of wholesome, Hailey.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I can see you looking it up.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I'm just looking at now because this one that's called
the night stapler an he's stapling red to trees in
the night.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
That's his His user name is that you Ryan?
Speaker 1 (18:03):
You're every user on this credit you just wanted to start.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
I signed a d The comments are like epic exactly,
they're so supportive. Oh, it's really nice. And then I
think someone posted like a pancake stuck to a telephone
pole and everyone was like, get the fuck out of here.
I would eat like that. That's not the sub for this.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I was gonna ask if they do gluten free, but
gluten free would just crumble on contact with the air, so.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
He gets gluten free Sour dig Babes.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
We all live in different countries. I don't think they're
gonna have the same the same brands.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
This is true. This you know, Oh my gosh, it's
a whole thing.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah, it's pretty great.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
It's a whole thing.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
And you had that top, you had that ready to go.
I was I was trying to think of what I've seen,
but it's really all. The only time I'm on readit
is I'm trying to find other people who agree with
me on the most minute things, usually in reality TV.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, I'm I'm currently trying to catch up with the
current season of Love Island that's on and every episode
we watch. My wife and I were like, I can't
wait to catch up so we can go see if
people agree with us on this, like does everyone else
hate Ace? Like, ah, I gotta go see mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Steveger on this show where I writes all the narrative
for Love Island.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
What really?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, he writes all the narration.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Oh my god. I literally said to my wife the
other night, like I would love to have that job.
Like I would love to like write those and narrate
Love Island, like if they do a Love Island Canada,
I would love to do that.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
If there's one thing I've learned since we in this
podcast recording is that we all have our fingers in everything,
like what why? Everything we've brought up were like, oh yeah,
my my cousin is the guy? Like the wait, I've
taken it. I've taken a mold of Sonesdays. I I
(20:13):
So I don't watch Love Island because I think I
need to be happy in a relationship before I can
watch other people pretend to be happy. Do you know
what I mean?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
They're not though, right.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
But I buy into the fantasy and I know about
myself and so I have to. But I hear that
people get really like very obsessed with What's Is it
like a twenty four hour Big Brother situation or is
that a different show?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
No, there's like four or five episodes a week, but
like an hour it's like like an hour long episode
almost I think every weeknight, maybe not Fridays, and then
an hour and a half on Sundays, so you get
like really invested and it's really really stupid.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
It's great except for the dial I think that's what
Steve likes about it, that it's so stupid. And then
he's best friend Ian narrates it. He's the Irish one.
Oh he's so great, good, Yeah, he's a babe, he's great.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I can't I still can't believe Steve's not gonna hear this.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
He might do.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Go on, Steve, I can't believe that you are the
one who writes.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
He's a very talented man.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
From what I know about the show, I feel like
it would be written by an eighteen year old girl.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
The jokes are so clever, like the narration is all
is very very clever, like it's making fun of it's
very punny, extremely punny. And it also it'll I don't
know how. I'd love to know how it works. I
think they must get like a cut of the episode,
and then they'll like in their narration plant a joke
that's delivered by what the islander is about to say
(21:56):
to someone else, Like it's it's so kind of well thought.
They're working with what they're given and they're doing a
really good job. Props to Steve.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Props to Ian absolutely, they because he's always writing at
like three and four in the morning and like posting
on his story saying, oh, we've got the latest drop.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah those I know it's a it's a big gig.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Oh that's great. My my compliments to the chef.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Wow. But I feel like you'd be ice at that, Ryan.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I would love it. I think I would be good
at it, and I think I would really enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I'm Seeve out of a job.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
They've got to make a They made a Quebec one.
They did like two seasons of it. I don't think
I think I got canceled, but like they should do
a Canadian one.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Everyone was too polite.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah, that might be it. Dang, that's my that's my
new dream job. I think.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Listen, I'll cut this clip, we'll put it on the internet,
and people really get a hold of your clips. Ryan.
Anytime I put your face on the internet, it is
like everyone has something to say. Oh my god, you
probably have a Reddit page. How often do you look
at it?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Sometimes? But I sometimes I like I try not to
because if I see something negative about myself, it ruins
my day.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
So I kind of just don't would say I have
anything negative to say about you.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
There are lots of people on the Internet.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
It's probably the person who's stabled a pancake.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
To the Yeah, it's a real party pooper.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
How ridiculous. Oh yeah, I know. I was always shot
by Tim Downey's Emily what. I was always shocked by
Tim Downey's reddit.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Tim has a reddit too.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Oh, it's all it's all the people who play the game.
The bold is gay and they're obsessed with him, so
I imagine yours are the same. Ryan. I think it's amazing.
It's it's amazing that the communities that kind of come together,
but then you get people who take it a wee
bit too far, just a wee, just a wee just
(23:58):
a week. Most of the time I'm seeing they're all
kind of solid on.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah. People are generally nice, yeah, in my experience, but
it just takes one like the negative comments always stick
the most. Yeah, it's just like I try not to read.
I read comments a little bit when I first publish
a video, but then I know if I dig i'll
find something and it'll make me sad, so I don't
(24:22):
go looking anymore. I used to read every comment. I
was obsessed. I was like, oh my god, what did
they think? Now I'm just like, Okay, I still have
an audience. People are still watching my stuff. They must
generally like it. The top comments are positive. I'm not
gonna look any further.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
When we got our first negative comment, that's when I
knew that we had made it.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Oh, there you go. You solved the podcast.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Question and then everything just got home.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah you would freaking out, No, you would freaking out.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
No, I wait, I wasn't. I I'll go back later.
I'll look later, and I will I will get the receipts.
But but I was definitely like, I was not upset.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Can I ask what the comment was?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I don't even remember, but I screenshot. Yes you do. No,
I swear to god, I don't.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
If you can see money, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I can't remember either.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
But I'm strung you in my hands. I'm trying to
show you that I'm not holding a gun. When I
say that, I'm not lying that I with you.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Is that an American thing?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
It's like some.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Oh no, YouTube's gonna hate that. I'll just override it
with them double oozies. Yeah, i'll have to. I'll look
at it. I'll find it.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I'll look at it.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
But I think I was excited. No, I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I think you're right. I was any messing. Oh well,
that was fun just winding you up.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
That was funny.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
It's it's nitty midnight and I'm here just winding people up.
A lot of your fans are obviously kind of aspiring
creators who like what you do. What advice would you
give to somebody kind of starting out now with no money,
(26:14):
one camera, fifty fifteen competing voices in their head.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Yeah, it's advice to give. I'm like, it's weird because
I don't. I started so long ago that it was
a completely different internet, and I don't. I'm not sure
how I would start today from maybe everybody quit now. Yeah, yeah,
(26:39):
I don't know. It's just like I guess, try stuff
as much as you can. I guess, like, I don't know,
just put stuff out there and see, like I find
sometimes I've gone back. If you ever like scrolled back
onto the like way far back on the page of
a creator that you follow and you're like, oh, wow,
they used to do something completely different. Yeah, so it's
just like everyone starts doing something and it never resembles
(27:03):
the thing that they end up doing. So just start
doing something and you'll find you know, stick with it
if you can, and it'll build into something hopefully. I
guess that's it. Just do it and do it and
do it and don't let the negative comments get you down.
I guess.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah. Yeah, but it's.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Such a different yeah, such a different world now.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Is that's interesting about like scrolling back because I don't
know if you're aware, but the youth, they a lot
of a lot of like the YouTubers who have come
up have started as like Minecraft YouTubers.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, my daughters.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Into all of these, but now like one of them
is like one of them has just had a number
one album over here. He's called James Marriott and he's
actually I really wouldn't like you wouldn't expect it from
a Minecraft YouTuber, but he's actually a wonderful human being
and a very talented singer song rights.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Not a complete loser, no no, but he started just
making Minecraft videos and there's loads of them.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
There's one called Tommy in it who does like stand
up and stuff. But he started out on this like
this little group of Minecraft YouTubers.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Ye, and we're at a time now that some of
the biggest artists in the world are, you know, in
their early twenties, so they've had YouTube their whole lives.
So yeah, like it makes it like if he maybe
he was like eleven years old when he started doing
Minecraft things and now he's you know, it's it's kind
of crazy that these people will have You could go
(28:37):
back and back and back and see stuff that they
did when they were kids growing up on YouTube, and
I think Minecraft is probably such an accessible thing for
kids to to create stuff. When I was young, you know,
video cameras and cell phones. Cell phones weren't a thing.
That's how old I am. Well, they existed, but like
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not everybody had them. Video cameras. It was like a
mini DV camera, it was, yeah, and so like even
though I had an interest in eventually making movies, I
didn't I wasn't able to do that. So what I
was able to find was Macromedia Flash and I was
making like little stick figure animations and the like little
(29:19):
sticks fighting and stuff. And that's just like what was
accessible to me at the time, but now, like they
have so many tools in their hands at a young age.
It's kind of crazy that, you know, they could just
sit in their bedroom and if you like telling stories,
you can do it in Minecraft. If you like making
action movies, you could do it in Minecraft.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Like, yeah, I've never played it.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
I opened it up once and I was overwhelmed because
it's I think the ideas you can do anything. And
I was like, well, that's too much. That's like when
you go to a menu and they have too many items.
I'm like, I'm overwhelmed. Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
It looks like when I don't have my contacts in
and and I wear contacts so that the world does
all like that to me. And so I was like,
I can't see that was it.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
It's strange, it is.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
They love it, though. I have to kind of put
a time limit on my kids using Minecraft because they'll
just sit on it forever.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
What do they do? Do you know? Or do they
do they explore? Do they build stuff?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
They build stuff? They built?
Speaker 1 (30:22):
There are monsters, right, they're zombies.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
My six year old has got like this underground thing.
It's like Kennel's with loads of dogs in it, and
then he lets them out and he lets them have
like a run around, and then he brings them back
in and I'm like, we've actually got real dogs. Well
you know we've got those.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
What's interesting about these kids who kind of grow up
through the minecraft YouTube thing is it's kind of turned
the model on its head. I think because I went
to watch Tommy in it, who seems like a wonderful
young chap and god, I sound like a million years old.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Wait for sorry, are you saying in't it in it?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Tommy in it?
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Like? Oh? In it?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
In it?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
In it? Like, isn't it like Tommy in it? Right?
Speaker 2 (31:07):
In it?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
The word that who was saying that? And I didn't
know Andrew Mems Andrew was saying it, and I was like,
he made up a word. Yeah, this is totally and
doesn't this child's real last name?
Speaker 3 (31:19):
No?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Okay, he's twenty one now, right, and he's doing massive
like UK tours in really quite big venues and he
really is very charismatic. So he pulls it off. But
it has the feeling of somebody feeling out their material
rather than a stand up who's like really worked on
their act. And it's just really interesting because the audience
(31:41):
are all totally up for that. Yeah, Like whereas like
an older stand up, if you presented that as your
final topiece, like you get ripped shreds. But they love
it because they are all these fans that came up
through this Minecraft stuff and like in the nicest possible way,
they're all massive nerds in a great way. Like there's
it's a really specific community, and it's just really interesting
(32:04):
how it's kind of spun it on its head, like
you can get away with not, you know, having that
polished product.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah. I'll see so many YouTubers that do like I
don't know, I don't like name anything, and they'll suddenly
have a post on Instagram like I'm going on tour
and it's like to do what Like that's has you
don't do anything stage that could translate to the stage.
I've never been to one of those shows. I'd be
curious to be like like, oh, maybe I could do that,
(32:33):
you know, like is it are they just telling stories
or are they just showing their videos and talking about them?
Like what are you touring on?
Speaker 2 (32:41):
It's fascinating to watch. It reminds me of when I
used to do youth theater, and you had the old
ones who were like eighteen, and they were like trying
out little bits of improv and they were like seeing
how it landed. It's like that, but you've paid thirty
five pounds, right pound and like, but the audience loves it.
(33:02):
It's like, is it us being stuffy and having on
these sets?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
No, I think I think we don't have enough data yet.
I think I think in ten years or however many
years like it, some some people will still be going
and some people will not because people their fans will
either have the novelty will have worn off, or they
can't afford it, or they like I think there's because
(33:27):
what I'm what I do all day is editing and
and transcription and captions. And you see some people and
it's like the camera angle switched, but they they waited
a frame too long and so it looks like it's glitching,
and some people like things are just getting thrown up,
and I'm like, there's gonna be a day where people
(33:48):
want quality again in what things look like. I'm not
talking about this person.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I don't know that I really like Tommy in it,
by the way.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Right, Yeah, I'm sure, but I just mean, I just
mean in terms of like being prison unting things that
aren't totally polished. I think there will be some people
who like they they rise to the challenge in other
ways or not. But I do think there will be
a day where people are like paying more attention to
(34:19):
this stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Yeah, hopefully. I mean, if it's become such a thing
that everyone's just touring for the sake of touring without
having done any like done any work, really, then.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
We could go on tour.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Let's go there, We'll go up at.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Different places in different countries.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I know this isn't a podcast about Minecraft, but like,
have you seen the Minecraft movie? I thought it was great.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
I saw it, I enjoyed it. I did a pitch
meeting for it. I think it's not for me, but
I could definitely see why kids love it.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Okay, Minecraft movie does exactly what it's supposed to do. Yeah,
he knows what it is.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Wait, after this, the first thing you have to do, Hailey,
is watch the pitch meeting because I know, and pitch me.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yeah, it's easy.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I think that's the first one that I did after
like my my, uh. I think it's probably episode four
hundred and one, I will.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
I will look it up.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I do have a pick reading question.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Bring us spot Camalley, bring us spot from Is.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
There anything written on the piece of paper in the
writer's hand?
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Not anymore. It used to be an actual script that
I had written that I had printed out, uh for
like like an actual like I had written a movie
like ten years ago, and I printed it out and
I had it so I was like, oh, in case
anyone can see through the paper, it's gonna look like
a script. But it got so mangled that it's just
(35:42):
like printer paper. Now there's there's nothing there. I'm just
acting like there is because I'm wow, yeah, it's all
pretend cool. Yeah, well movie magic.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
In the last year plus, Ryan, have you had another
instance where shit's gotten super crazy in the pursuit of
something that you were like, Oh, what the hell is happening?
What am I doing?
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Not really, because this past year it's been so so
baby oriented that it's been like has it been kind
of survival mode?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Any dad stories?
Speaker 3 (36:27):
I mean it's just like only ones that'll be interesting
to me, like you know, like my daughter making noises.
You know, it's not like it's it's very fun for
me to hear, but it is yeah, yeah, I know
it's been. I know, like we've been very just like
staying at home and not doing anything too crazy. We
(36:49):
were at home so much that like I forgot that
I was that, I got that I could get recognized
in public. So then like when it happened after months
of being in my house, I was like, I was confused,
Like someone stopped me. It was like, hey, are you Ryan.
I was like really concernedly, yeah, like what's wrong? Yeah,
(37:11):
So I don't now I remember that that that can happen.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Well, you did say, uh, last time you were on
that you you think your definition of making it would
change once you had a kid. Is that true?
Speaker 3 (37:24):
I think so. Like I I mean, I'm I've always
known that I would like want to be a really
hands on and dedicated father, and it scared me in
the sense of like, I'm also like kind of a workaholic.
So I was like, how how can those two things coexist?
(37:46):
But it turns out pretty well. I'm I'm very lucky
that I work from home and I'm not stuck to
like specific hours, and so sometimes if I'm stressed out,
I can just go see my kid and feel better
you know, So that's that's really nice. Or if my
wife needs backup on something, or if we want to
go to the park, I can just go to the park.
It's so so it's yeah, I feel like it for
(38:09):
my personal situation, that's that's I I feel like that
has that is making it. But obviously that's not a
reality for everybody. People need to go to offices, people
need to do various things. But definitely finding the work
life balance is is. Yeah, it has taken on a
(38:30):
lot more importance in my life. Also, I feel like
there's more when I am working, there's more like purpose
behind it because I'm like, I'm doing this to provide
for my family, and also like any minute that I'm
doing this, I'm not with them, so there's like there's
a bit more drive behind it in a way. So yeah,
I'm happy to see that they actually like coexist quite well,
(38:52):
and it's probably healthier as well to not just be
focused on work.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yeah, I definitely agree with that, and like as they
get old, it just kind of not forgetting that because yeah,
I find it quite easy to kind of get pulled
away and then go, actually, what am I doing this far?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Right?
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah, I can't like having to spend like ten hours
in an office at a job that you don't like.
Sounds like really really really rough. And I feel like
so many times over this past year, my wife and
I have been like, oh my god, we are so
lucky that this is our situation that we get to
just be here. Yeah, super super lucky.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
How are you wanting to uh wrap this up? Emily?
Have you got a plan? Because I I'm just like,
I'm just firing questions off.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Ryan, you can ask another question and then I'm just
firing stuff off. Maybe in a maybe in a couple
of minutes, I'll reveal my plan. It's really not calmed down.
It's the most obvious plan that's ever.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Is it on this set of notes?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Okay, okay, okay, no, because what I was going to
ask you is because you've built like a lot of
your creativity online. The straight answer this might be no.
But is there anything you're dying to try creatively that's
totally offline like theater, interpreted dance, interpret graphic.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Novels, interpretive dance. For sure? No, I have been it
has it has been like kind of popping in my
head of doing something live, like like stand up. I
did stand up like ten years ago. So yeah, that's
that's something that I would be interested in doing. Potentially.
(40:46):
A YouTuber friend of mine, Julie Nolki, she has like
a one woman show that she's been touring on in
Canada and Europe and stuff, and so she seems to
be having a great time with that. It's it's like
a special thing, like kind of like the Tommy in
its situation and where you know, if I was just
a stand up starting out, which like I was ten
years ago, you got to do like open mics and
(41:09):
do like five minutes for just a room full of
not a room, not a room full for five drunk people,
never a room full. But now that I have like
this online audience, I could technically, you know, test the
waters and be like, Okay, would I be able to
sell like two hundred tickets in this city and just
do like a night of comedy of some kind. Yeah,
(41:33):
I'm definitely interested in exploring that. We'll see.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah, maybe I know you draw in a massive odence
for that.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I'm there, I'm already, I'm there. I'm seated and ready
for that.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Oh that's too much pressure, either told me in it
funds of your generation.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Ryan, Sorry, oh you are okay? Great?
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yeah, yeah, it's right anyways.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Ryan in it That doesn't sound as that doesn't roll
off the tongue as well, Ryan, And it's Ryan, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Or you could do you could reverse and start mine crafting.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Yeah, that's a great idea.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
What happened the Sims roller coaster Tycoon? Yeah, roller coaster Tailey?
Do you know do do you have a roller coaster?
Does anybody? Am I just making? Okay?
Speaker 2 (42:19):
They they still have like roller coaster Tycoon on roadblocks versions?
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Why you need to make in in a in a
in another game about making things? Make it. It's like
further separating yourself from reality to.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Play very creative nowadays.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Play a video or sometimes it when you're in an
environment that makes it super easy to be creative. Do
you know how many people I accidentally drowned or blew
up when I was playing roller coaster Tycoon?
Speaker 3 (42:54):
That was That's kind of the fun though.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Right the roller coaster or like you know enough trash
cans like it's too it's too easy to make a
to become a theme park tycoon, zoo Tycoon. All my
goats kept mating and then there was not enough room
for all the goats.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Anyway, that's a problem. It's I always liked civilization.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
That's a great I had like a text based Hollywood
tycoon where you had to like you'd come up with
the title of a movie. Yes, I had this too,
you did.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Oh my god, I forgot about it until just now.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Go on, Ryan, what do you do?
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Oh, you have to you come up with a movie,
and I think you like name a director or something,
and then you like set the budget and then you
see how it performs at the box office. I don't
remember how you could if there was any strategy to
it or you just like, do you remember, Emily.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
I don't think there was. I think it was random
combinations of things. And then I remember it like developed
into like you could like write a script and then
they would have like two cartoons like one would you know,
say a line, the other would say line. And I
thought I was a filmmaker. So not everyone on Roadblocks
(44:09):
is it's super creative. It just uh somewhere, I'm sure Listen,
they have more These kids have more money than I do.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
So I wonder if somebody made that game in Roadblocks,
we should check that.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
I bet, I bet it's a This is the equivalent
of our grandparents going well in my day. Yeah, yeah,
oh times there are changing yet on the train.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Emily, I'm fine being on the train. However, I just
also want people to not like when I was at
Disneyland last, which has been you guys, it's been like
a year now. Anyway, the last time I was there,
there was a child looking at an iPad and I
was like, if you have to be on an iPad
at Disneyland, we have a problem. So I think there's
(44:58):
a happy middle medium that's not you know, living in uh.
I just watched m Night's Shyamalan's The Village. Has anyone
seen this movie?
Speaker 3 (45:10):
Yeah, back in the day people didn't.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Like people just like shooting on him and I liked it.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
I liked the twist.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Yeah, and I got the acting Bryce Ellis Howard like
terrific performance. What's that guy's name, Brody Adrian, Yes, like
fantastic score.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Haley, I'm not in here like Karen know anybody's name? Yeah,
yeah Brody?
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Yeah, okay, but don't act like you don't sometimes, No,
I mean you work on in motions.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
I am terrible I remember in names and faces.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Do you have since this is your chapter two in
our book that's never being written, do you have a
chapter two title that that would be? I mean, your
last one was do you remember what it was? Ryan?
Speaker 3 (45:59):
I could, I will tell you it was Making it
is making.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
It, Colon, it's never super super easy. Colan.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
That's too many Colon's.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Wow, But you set the president now because everybody's has
been way too long. Oh really, Okay, so we've had hashtags.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Okay, so I guess it would be Ryan in it,
Colon The Life and Times of a roadblocks YouTuber.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
I'm acting like I'm a background actor and I can't
actually clap and make noise. That was great, Thank you, populous,
Thank you Ryan, thank you.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
She's definitely tall.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
I'll do it right now here we go.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
You know, I know sepol Do I know people who
are touring on the basis of you paying to spend
time with them?
Speaker 3 (46:51):
So what yeah, oh like like like comic cons and stuff.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
No, No, Like, I'll be doing these bars around the country.
Come and I'll like sit and like tell some stories.
But we're really just gonna be hanging out and drinking,
and you're gonna pay for it.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
I could do that.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
That's what I'm saying. Okay, get a van, put your
face on it. You know, this is the new audience, Ryan,
we are we you are first marketing client, so we
know what we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
I do think like with the with AI getting like
taking over the world, there will be kind of a
resurgence of live stuff, you know, being having more value
for people totally.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
And it's so funny that like every artist I know
hate like hates it, and then the people I talk
to that have like regular jobs are like, oh my god,
look at this fun thing that it like, yeah, day that,
And I'm sitting there, like I was talking to my
friend today and she was like, oh my god, I
think this is amazing, and I was like, this scares
is the absolute.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Shit of me.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
And I'm not even running a marathon.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
All back.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Okay, nice, nice, well, very good, she's very good.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Enjoy enjoy your baby, and uh you know all of that.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
Yeah, no, thank you very much, thank you for having means.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Well, well, we'll see you in the year.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Yes, let you have another kid and we'll talk. Yeah yeah, yeah,
I'll be on my world tour by then.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Amazing. Yeah, thank you Ryan, Bye bye all that flew by.
I think that was great.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
I feel like I've got less of a stick on
my ass.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
How to Make It is recorded from a closet in
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Hi, I'm Emily and I'm Haley. After meeting online, we
became international best friends who bonded over how hard it
is to find success in the entertainment industry.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Join us and our celebrity co authors as they help
us write the book on how to make.
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It and, more importantly, uncover what making it even means?
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May that made us sound so much more serious than
we actually are?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Should we switch roles on this time? Okay, see that's
the intro. How are you doing, Delegate from Canada?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I'm all right, iank surviving. I'm on the tail end
of some COVID which is nice. Yeah, it still exists.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Oh that's right. So when you posted that on your story,
I thought it was a pregnancy test.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah, and a lot of people did.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I almost congratulated you, and then I got a lot
of congratulatory messages and I confuse my family as well.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
They everyone thought that, Like, I guess, COVID tests aren't
a big part of our lives anymore so, but it's
still out there.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
But yeah, you were brewing something else.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah it was a small child. It's really light cough.
So yeah, if I don't sound great, So that's that's
why when.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
You have COVID, Ryan, do you get the crappy backache
of crappiness?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, the body aches were real bad this time.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I haven't had it.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
So you've never had COVID? Wow, pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
I've had it about seven times now.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
You get that? Do you get it on film sets?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah? I think that's what it is. Yeah, they just
go around.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, and I worked on I worked on shows in
twenty I was on set in twenty twenty and I
still never oh wow, still never got it.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
You know, just one of these people who's just immune.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I'm usually not one of those people. So I'll take it.
I'm sorry to ruin both of your guys almost fourth
of July plans. You know it's.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
I yes, it means no sing to me.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
We had all had a day a couple of days ago.
That's jill I first. I don't know if you guys
knew that.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I'm so sorry I did.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
That's exciting.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I didn't reach out.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
What do you do?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
You get COVID and you stay home?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Oh shit, it's a new holiday as of twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah. Now people get together and drink and they sometimes
we have parades. We haven't had one in Montreal for
a couple of years for logistical reasons I don't know.
But and then on the twenty fourth of June is
the provincial holiday of Quebec called the Las Saint Jean Battists,
which that's that's another big thing. Was music and parades
and drinking. Are drinking busy.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Times general drinking?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
You did well here, We don't like we don't quite
have an episode two roadmap. So I just have a
bunch of bullet points that I that we've shared with
each other, and we can just we can just chat.
I guess sure.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I got a random set of handwritten notes blue tacked
to my computer screen.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Well, I'm gonna I'll go first with the biggest change
since we last talked to you, which is that you
are now a dad.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Yes, I am now a dad. That is That is
the biggest change. I can confirm that that changes things.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Are you are you gonna start making pitch meetings of
like Cayu episodes and and uh or are you're just
gonna wait until she discovers these videos when she gets older.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah? No, I'm not gonna make her her pitch meetings.
We are trying to the only thing that comes on
the screen for is miss Rachel. Rachel's so good. She's
so great. But we're doing like you know, like you're
supposed to limit screen time and whatnot, and but she
has like like she's seen me on the screen, like
if she's in my office or something and I'm editing
(04:12):
a video of myself and she like points. You know,
I don't know what's going on in her mind, but
that's that's gonna be a thing that she'll be able
to see me. It's weird. I had I hadn't really
thought of that. Like, when she's older, you can watch
day's worth of videos that I made.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
We were talking last time about like just the daily
grind of creating the pitch meeting work all the time,
and like, I don't know if this is a bit
of a rude question, but I'm just gonna go for it.
Was having a baby like a really great excuse to
finally kind of take off the fake producers blazer a bit,
(04:51):
because I would definitely use a baby as an excuse
for that.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Kind of Part of it was definitely that, yeah, I
did it for like almost a year after she was born, still,
you know, and yeah, yeah, by episode four, hundred, though
I was kind of like, you know, I spend like
two three days per week on these things, and there
are a lot of work, and on weeks where there
(05:17):
aren't any new releases, I'm covering old movies and I've
done like I've done everything, like I'm scraping the bottom
of the barrel for movies to do. I'm like, oh,
I guess I didn't do nineteen eighty four super Girl
or something. So yeah, Increasingly it became like, well, why
am I trying so hard for this to be a
(05:37):
weekly thing? And I'll be able to spend more time
with my daughter, so it just, yeah, it became kind
of a no brainer. It was funny because I was
like talking with my wife and I was like, I
was approaching episode four hundred, and I usually do something
special every hundred episodes, and I was kind of like,
you know what, I think I might hang it up,
but five hundred, and then like two days later, it's like,
(05:59):
you know, four fifty sounds like a good number to stop.
And then I was like, I think I'm done. Next
week I was gonna stop, Like I was gonna be
like like hang up the Blazer completely. But the folks
at screen. Ran were like, oh, you could if you want,
you could just like do one a month, like just
to keep it alive. And I was like, oh, yeah,
(06:21):
that sounds fine. Like I there's still it's still fun
to do and people still like it. So I'm it's
cool to not have to you know, close the chapter completely.
I can still go out and do them, and yes,
people people seem to still you know, like them for
new releases, so it's yeah, it's a good situation. And
I spend more time with my daughter and on other stuff.
(06:42):
It's yeah, it's a good change.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
People love them. They don't just like them, they like
from at the mouth.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Well, I can't say that.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
It's much that you've like been able to keep the
quality for so high for all that time, Like you
just this woman Comedy Machine four.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Hundred The four hundredth was so funny, and when it
came out, I sent it to Haley immediately and I
was like, wait until the British TV part.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
If I could do a oh yes, I did do that.
Oh my god, I completely forgot. I was like, if
I could do a British accent, I would do more stuff.
But yeah, I know, there was a full yeah. Fully,
I don't think it was a good British accent.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Though, oh it was great.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I just I was like, I'll go over the top
with it because I can't actually do.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
One great do it.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So after doing I'm wondering. This question actually comes from
my dad. My dad was wondering. He was like, ask
him because of the pitch meeting. He's like, when you
when you write like your own stuff, when you write
your own comedy, is it gonna have to be so
air tight or are you gonna let you know the
(07:57):
movie rules apply? And then pitch meeting your will you
write the perfect movie that has no plot holes?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Like if I'm writing a movie.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, because you're so attuned to being like wait.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
What yeah, if I do, Yeah, if I do write
a movie, someday, I do need to. I do think
that there will be extra pressure because people will like
I definitely everyone's gonna like make one of the movie. Yeah,
but it's yeah, absolutely, absolutely, yeah, definitely. I'm always thinking,
(08:36):
even like just in my little sketches, I'm thinking, I'm
thinking of the logic of it, Like, even though it's
absurd stuff, if something happens that wouldn't that doesn't make
sense within the rules of the absurdity. Then I'm like, no,
I can't do that. That doesn't make any sense, Like yeah,
low tolerance for plot holes for sure, for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
How do you know, though, how do you know when
something it's just dumb or like this beautiful kind of
dumb that needs to be immortalized, Like how do you know?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Oh man, that's a great question. Have no idea when
is something dumb?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
When is it dumb? And when is it like absurd
and beautiful? And like the bit that springs to mind
for me is a fit where you like you were
naming tools and there's the ham sandwich and like that's
right on the edge. That's right on the edge, like
the sanwich and the hammer. It's proper on the edge.
That for me, Yeah, it like to be fair.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah, if you think about it too much, like it
doesn't make sense because how did like how did the
world get built? If tools didn't have names yet, it
would have been insanity. Like hand me that you'd have
to point at the one every time and you'd have
to like you'd have to describe it when you're like
the manufacturers would have to describe the tool. It just
doesn't you can't think about it too much. I could
(09:57):
pitch meeting my own sketches. Probably. Yeah, You're like, does
the out of the world come to me? Yeah, I
don't know. Just like establish a rule and then stick
to it. This is a world in which everything is
normal except tools don't have names yet, and that's stick
to that. And then everyone has the same face also,
and this company is in charge of this for some reason.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
So funny. Have you ever like scrapped to sketch halfway
through filming because it got too weird even for you?
Speaker 3 (10:28):
It's probably happened. There are some Sometimes I reach a
point where like I'm like, yeah, no, that can't I
can't think of an example, unfortunately, but it's definitely happened
a few times where I'm like, this just doesn't make
enough sense that I can do it. There's like like
sketches start with like a little nugget of an idea
or like a nugget of truth of something of like, oh,
(10:48):
this is a weird thing, but then you got to
like wrap it up into something. And sometimes it's just
you can't find a home for it, but you just
you know, I make a note of it, and sometimes
it comes back a couple of years later and I
it becomes a throwaway joke in a different thing or something.
You know, Yeah, nothing is wasted. I use the whole
I used all of the joke.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Do you have a notes up of doom. I've got
like a notes thing that I just dump everything in.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And once in a while, every couple
of months, I go through it and I'm like, try
to make sense of it or find some like what
am I talking about? My worst example of a note
that this is like fifteen years ago, and I was
out drinking with my friends and I thought of an
idea that was so funny to me, and I made
a note of it, and then the next day I
(11:36):
checked it and it just said what if people pooped
in public? Like people pee in public? I was like,
that's nothing.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Where are people peeing in public?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Cause, like I think I must have seen like a
drunk guy like peeing on the side of a building.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Clearly, you've been spend enough time in New York if
you don't think people are taking I guess like the
middle of the subway.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yeah, yeah, I guess that's yeah, I guess that that
just is New York. Also, so I haven't made that
sketch because it's just New York.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I remember when my brother used to live there many
years ago. He was like just a tip, Like if
you see an empty subway car, like, it's not a
good thing. It usually means someone's taking a poop. Oh wow, yeah,
I know it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
So who cleans Who cleans those up? Like do that?
How long do they stay there? You think?
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I mean they're they're traveling at the speed of light
on a very tight schedule, so it might not be
until like that car goes out of service because it's
twenty four hours you know.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Oh wow. Yeah. See, our subway system stops at like
two am or three one am or something and they
clean up the cars. And then he started at five am.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Does not stop.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
They just wait until people have stepped on the poop
that it's like has left the building. Wow wow, what.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
A place this has gone?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Podcast called how to Make It How to Poop?
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I was thinking of like sports people because like Paula
Radcliffe had to do a poop in the middle of
her marathon, and like Gary Lineker was famously like he
famously had to poop in the middle of a big
England match, like it seems to be a sports thing
over here where people just take a ship.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
And did they just do you just poop?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
While on live TV?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
I heard that's the thing like with marathons, like like
by the end, like you start to lose control of
your bodily functions.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, so you poop? And she was there, She was Polly.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I don't have a colin and I've done half marathons
and I don't even.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Are you a professional sports person who needs the time?
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Emily? Oh so once I get paid for it, then
I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Then you got a ship wherever you want?
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, well, huh, I'm gonna I'm gonna segue. You mentioned
the word or the name Rodcliffe Haley and.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
What oh, oh my god, I'm gonna go and I'm
gonna steer this ship filled subway train into saying Ryan,
you once again didn't get into Harry Potter.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I know, I know, I don't know. I'll get him
next time, I guess, But increasingly I can't see it,
you know, like I don't have the right glasses anymore.
I still can't do a British accent.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Well, Tom Felton is going to be on Broadway for
like a while playing Malfoy, So you could do the
older version. You just have to be on a play
or something.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah, is it a musical or is it a play?
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Is a play?
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Oh? I kind of thought they sang that's too bad.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I would have loved it.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Spami's six and a half hours was enough without singing.
I think I think it would improve it.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
I think if it as a musical, it wouldn't be
six and a half hours because they just sing how
they're feeling, you know, and they like that advance. You
could fit like twenty scenes into one if the person's like,
I feel the trayed and now I'm going to plan
this and hear it. Oh I didn't. I didn't succeed.
You know how musicals work.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, yeah, I you know it was a lot of arguing.
You watched all of it, the Harry Potter play. Yeah,
all six and a half hours?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, say much. I wasn't a fan. I didn't.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
There's the thumbnail.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Thumbnail break. Great, that saves me actually a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Maybe we should have stat put in that in.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I was.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I had in my notes for us all to do
thumbnail poses at the end.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Wow, So now nice, everybody's just fun as Ryan though
I know.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
They don't play the thumbnail game. You know it's part
of my job's time.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Well, okay, Well, the reason I also brought up no,
I know it's okay. The reason I also brought up
Harry Potter is because I was going to go. I
have to go. I have to pay to see Tom
Felton stand on a stage in that receding hairline, blonde
wig like. I feel like you owe it to yourself
(16:21):
to just He's only in the play for like like
five minutes.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
But oh, is Draco not a big character in the
Curse Trial?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
No, he just comes out and then, you know, does
some of the arguing and then there's a lot of yelling,
a lot of yelling.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Good gig for him, are you?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah? That's great best, Like people are gonna freak out.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Yeah, it's great marketing for the play.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I've got something if you haven't go for it.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
You said last time that some of your sketch ideas
come from reddit rabbit holes, which I am really guilty
of falling down all the time. What's the most superreddit
that you ever seen?
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Oh? I recently I made a because I started a
second or third channel, fourth channel. I don't know how
many channels I have. And I did a video about
this subreddit, actually a bunch of subreddits. There's so many
tree related subreddits and they're all weird. But this one
is called bread Stapled to Trees and it's literally like
(17:22):
people share pictures of different kinds of bread that they
staple to trees, and they'll say, like what kind of
bread and what kind of tree. It'll be like slice
of sour dough on an oak. And then the common
sections are so supportive. It's such a nice community. They're
like they're they all write so politely to like lovely work, sir,
(17:45):
that is a great, great piece of bread on that tree,
Like it's it's kind of wholesome, Hailey.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
I can see you looking it up.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I'm just looking at now because this one that's called
the night stapler an he's stapling red to trees in
the night.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
That's his His user name is that you Ryan?
Speaker 1 (18:03):
You're every user on this credit you just wanted to start.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
I signed a d The comments are like epic exactly,
they're so supportive. Oh, it's really nice. And then I
think someone posted like a pancake stuck to a telephone
pole and everyone was like, get the fuck out of here.
I would eat like that. That's not the sub for this.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I was gonna ask if they do gluten free, but
gluten free would just crumble on contact with the air, so.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
He gets gluten free Sour dig Babes.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
We all live in different countries. I don't think they're
gonna have the same the same brands.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
This is true. This you know, Oh my gosh, it's
a whole thing.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah, it's pretty great.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
It's a whole thing.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
And you had that top, you had that ready to go.
I was I was trying to think of what I've seen,
but it's really all. The only time I'm on readit
is I'm trying to find other people who agree with
me on the most minute things, usually in reality TV.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, I'm I'm currently trying to catch up with the
current season of Love Island that's on and every episode
we watch. My wife and I were like, I can't
wait to catch up so we can go see if
people agree with us on this, like does everyone else
hate Ace? Like, ah, I gotta go see mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Steveger on this show where I writes all the narrative
for Love Island.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
What really?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Yeah, he writes all the narration.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Oh my god. I literally said to my wife the
other night, like I would love to have that job.
Like I would love to like write those and narrate
Love Island, like if they do a Love Island Canada,
I would love to do that.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
If there's one thing I've learned since we in this
podcast recording is that we all have our fingers in everything,
like what why? Everything we've brought up were like, oh yeah,
my my cousin is the guy? Like the wait, I've
taken it. I've taken a mold of Sonesdays. I I
(20:13):
So I don't watch Love Island because I think I
need to be happy in a relationship before I can
watch other people pretend to be happy. Do you know
what I mean?
Speaker 3 (20:21):
They're not though, right.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
But I buy into the fantasy and I know about
myself and so I have to. But I hear that
people get really like very obsessed with What's Is it
like a twenty four hour Big Brother situation or is
that a different show?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
No, there's like four or five episodes a week, but
like an hour it's like like an hour long episode
almost I think every weeknight, maybe not Fridays, and then
an hour and a half on Sundays, so you get
like really invested and it's really really stupid.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
It's great except for the dial I think that's what
Steve likes about it, that it's so stupid. And then
he's best friend Ian narrates it. He's the Irish one.
Oh he's so great, good, Yeah, he's a babe, he's great.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
I can't I still can't believe Steve's not gonna hear this.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
He might do.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Go on, Steve, I can't believe that you are the
one who writes.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
He's a very talented man.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
From what I know about the show, I feel like
it would be written by an eighteen year old girl.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
The jokes are so clever, like the narration is all
is very very clever, like it's making fun of it's
very punny, extremely punny. And it also it'll I don't
know how. I'd love to know how it works. I
think they must get like a cut of the episode,
and then they'll like in their narration plant a joke
that's delivered by what the islander is about to say
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to someone else, Like it's it's so kind of well thought.
They're working with what they're given and they're doing a
really good job. Props to Steve.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Props to Ian absolutely, they because he's always writing at
like three and four in the morning and like posting
on his story saying, oh, we've got the latest drop.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah those I know it's a it's a big gig.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Oh that's great. My my compliments to the chef.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Wow. But I feel like you'd be ice at that, Ryan.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
I would love it. I think I would be good
at it, and I think I would really enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I'm Seeve out of a job.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
They've got to make a They made a Quebec one.
They did like two seasons of it. I don't think
I think I got canceled, but like they should do
a Canadian one.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Everyone was too polite.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah, that might be it. Dang, that's my that's my
new dream job. I think.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Listen, I'll cut this clip, we'll put it on the internet,
and people really get a hold of your clips. Ryan.
Anytime I put your face on the internet, it is
like everyone has something to say. Oh my god, you
probably have a Reddit page. How often do you look
at it?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Sometimes? But I sometimes I like I try not to
because if I see something negative about myself, it ruins
my day.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
So I kind of just don't would say I have
anything negative to say about you.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
There are lots of people on the Internet.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
It's probably the person who's stabled a pancake.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
To the Yeah, it's a real party pooper.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
How ridiculous. Oh yeah, I know. I was always shot
by Tim Downey's Emily what. I was always shocked by
Tim Downey's reddit.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Tim has a reddit too.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Oh, it's all it's all the people who play the game.
The bold is gay and they're obsessed with him, so
I imagine yours are the same. Ryan. I think it's amazing.
It's it's amazing that the communities that kind of come together,
but then you get people who take it a wee
bit too far, just a wee, just a wee just
(23:58):
a week. Most of the time I'm seeing they're all
kind of solid on.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah. People are generally nice, yeah, in my experience, but
it just takes one like the negative comments always stick
the most. Yeah, it's just like I try not to read.
I read comments a little bit when I first publish
a video, but then I know if I dig i'll
find something and it'll make me sad, so I don't
(24:22):
go looking anymore. I used to read every comment. I
was obsessed. I was like, oh my god, what did
they think? Now I'm just like, Okay, I still have
an audience. People are still watching my stuff. They must
generally like it. The top comments are positive. I'm not
gonna look any further.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
When we got our first negative comment, that's when I
knew that we had made it.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Oh, there you go. You solved the podcast.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Question and then everything just got home.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah you would freaking out, No, you would freaking out.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
No, I wait, I wasn't. I I'll go back later.
I'll look later, and I will I will get the receipts.
But but I was definitely like, I was not upset.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Can I ask what the comment was?
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I don't even remember, but I screenshot. Yes you do. No,
I swear to god, I don't.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
If you can see money, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I can't remember either.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
But I'm strung you in my hands. I'm trying to
show you that I'm not holding a gun. When I
say that, I'm not lying that I with you.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Is that an American thing?
Speaker 2 (25:30):
It's like some.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Oh no, YouTube's gonna hate that. I'll just override it
with them double oozies. Yeah, i'll have to. I'll look
at it. I'll find it.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I'll look at it.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
But I think I was excited. No, I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I think you're right. I was any messing. Oh well,
that was fun just winding you up.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
That was funny.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
It's it's nitty midnight and I'm here just winding people up.
A lot of your fans are obviously kind of aspiring
creators who like what you do. What advice would you
give to somebody kind of starting out now with no money,
(26:14):
one camera, fifty fifteen competing voices in their head.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Yeah, it's advice to give. I'm like, it's weird because
I don't. I started so long ago that it was
a completely different internet, and I don't. I'm not sure
how I would start today from maybe everybody quit now. Yeah, yeah,
(26:39):
I don't know. It's just like I guess, try stuff
as much as you can. I guess, like, I don't know,
just put stuff out there and see, like I find
sometimes I've gone back. If you ever like scrolled back
onto the like way far back on the page of
a creator that you follow and you're like, oh, wow,
they used to do something completely different. Yeah, so it's
just like everyone starts doing something and it never resembles
(27:03):
the thing that they end up doing. So just start
doing something and you'll find you know, stick with it
if you can, and it'll build into something hopefully. I
guess that's it. Just do it and do it and
do it and don't let the negative comments get you down.
I guess.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah. Yeah, but it's.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Such a different yeah, such a different world now.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Is that's interesting about like scrolling back because I don't
know if you're aware, but the youth, they a lot
of a lot of like the YouTubers who have come
up have started as like Minecraft YouTubers.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, my daughters.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Into all of these, but now like one of them
is like one of them has just had a number
one album over here. He's called James Marriott and he's
actually I really wouldn't like you wouldn't expect it from
a Minecraft YouTuber, but he's actually a wonderful human being
and a very talented singer song rights.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Not a complete loser, no no, but he started just
making Minecraft videos and there's loads of them.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
There's one called Tommy in it who does like stand
up and stuff. But he started out on this like
this little group of Minecraft YouTubers.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Ye, and we're at a time now that some of
the biggest artists in the world are, you know, in
their early twenties, so they've had YouTube their whole lives.
So yeah, like it makes it like if he maybe
he was like eleven years old when he started doing
Minecraft things and now he's you know, it's it's kind
of crazy that these people will have You could go
(28:37):
back and back and back and see stuff that they
did when they were kids growing up on YouTube, and
I think Minecraft is probably such an accessible thing for
kids to to create stuff. When I was young, you know,
video cameras and cell phones. Cell phones weren't a thing.
That's how old I am. Well, they existed, but like
(28:58):
not everybody had them. Video cameras. It was like a
mini DV camera, it was, yeah, and so like even
though I had an interest in eventually making movies, I
didn't I wasn't able to do that. So what I
was able to find was Macromedia Flash and I was
making like little stick figure animations and the like little
(29:19):
sticks fighting and stuff. And that's just like what was
accessible to me at the time, but now, like they
have so many tools in their hands at a young age.
It's kind of crazy that, you know, they could just
sit in their bedroom and if you like telling stories,
you can do it in Minecraft. If you like making
action movies, you could do it in Minecraft.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Like, yeah, I've never played it.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
I opened it up once and I was overwhelmed because
it's I think the ideas you can do anything. And
I was like, well, that's too much. That's like when
you go to a menu and they have too many items.
I'm like, I'm overwhelmed. Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
It looks like when I don't have my contacts in
and and I wear contacts so that the world does
all like that to me. And so I was like,
I can't see that was it.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
It's strange, it is.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
They love it, though. I have to kind of put
a time limit on my kids using Minecraft because they'll
just sit on it forever.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
What do they do? Do you know? Or do they
do they explore? Do they build stuff?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
They build stuff? They built?
Speaker 1 (30:22):
There are monsters, right, they're zombies.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
My six year old has got like this underground thing.
It's like Kennel's with loads of dogs in it, and
then he lets them out and he lets them have
like a run around, and then he brings them back
in and I'm like, we've actually got real dogs. Well
you know we've got those.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
What's interesting about these kids who kind of grow up
through the minecraft YouTube thing is it's kind of turned
the model on its head. I think because I went
to watch Tommy in it, who seems like a wonderful
young chap and god, I sound like a million years old.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Wait for sorry, are you saying in't it in it?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Tommy in it?
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Like? Oh? In it?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
In it?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
In it? Like, isn't it like Tommy in it? Right?
Speaker 2 (31:07):
In it?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
The word that who was saying that? And I didn't
know Andrew Mems Andrew was saying it, and I was like,
he made up a word. Yeah, this is totally and
doesn't this child's real last name?
Speaker 3 (31:19):
No?
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Okay, he's twenty one now, right, and he's doing massive
like UK tours in really quite big venues and he
really is very charismatic. So he pulls it off. But
it has the feeling of somebody feeling out their material
rather than a stand up who's like really worked on
their act. And it's just really interesting because the audience
(31:41):
are all totally up for that. Yeah, Like whereas like
an older stand up, if you presented that as your
final topiece, like you get ripped shreds. But they love
it because they are all these fans that came up
through this Minecraft stuff and like in the nicest possible way,
they're all massive nerds in a great way. Like there's
it's a really specific community, and it's just really interesting
(32:04):
how it's kind of spun it on its head, like
you can get away with not, you know, having that
polished product.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah. I'll see so many YouTubers that do like I
don't know, I don't like name anything, and they'll suddenly
have a post on Instagram like I'm going on tour
and it's like to do what Like that's has you
don't do anything stage that could translate to the stage.
I've never been to one of those shows. I'd be
curious to be like like, oh, maybe I could do that,
(32:33):
you know, like is it are they just telling stories
or are they just showing their videos and talking about them?
Like what are you touring on?
Speaker 2 (32:41):
It's fascinating to watch. It reminds me of when I
used to do youth theater, and you had the old
ones who were like eighteen, and they were like trying
out little bits of improv and they were like seeing
how it landed. It's like that, but you've paid thirty
five pounds, right pound and like, but the audience loves it.
(33:02):
It's like, is it us being stuffy and having on
these sets?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
No, I think I think we don't have enough data yet.
I think I think in ten years or however many
years like it, some some people will still be going
and some people will not because people their fans will
either have the novelty will have worn off, or they
can't afford it, or they like I think there's because
(33:27):
what I'm what I do all day is editing and
and transcription and captions. And you see some people and
it's like the camera angle switched, but they they waited
a frame too long and so it looks like it's glitching,
and some people like things are just getting thrown up,
and I'm like, there's gonna be a day where people
(33:48):
want quality again in what things look like. I'm not
talking about this person.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
I don't know that I really like Tommy in it,
by the way.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Right, Yeah, I'm sure, but I just mean, I just
mean in terms of like being prison unting things that
aren't totally polished. I think there will be some people
who like they they rise to the challenge in other
ways or not. But I do think there will be
a day where people are like paying more attention to
(34:19):
this stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Yeah, hopefully. I mean, if it's become such a thing
that everyone's just touring for the sake of touring without
having done any like done any work, really, then.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
We could go on tour.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Let's go there, We'll go up at.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Different places in different countries.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
I know this isn't a podcast about Minecraft, but like,
have you seen the Minecraft movie? I thought it was great.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
I saw it, I enjoyed it. I did a pitch
meeting for it. I think it's not for me, but
I could definitely see why kids love it.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Okay, Minecraft movie does exactly what it's supposed to do. Yeah,
he knows what it is.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Wait, after this, the first thing you have to do, Hailey,
is watch the pitch meeting because I know, and pitch me.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yeah, it's easy.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I think that's the first one that I did after
like my my, uh. I think it's probably episode four
hundred and one, I will.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
I will look it up.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
I do have a pick reading question.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Bring us spot Camalley, bring us spot from Is.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
There anything written on the piece of paper in the
writer's hand?
Speaker 3 (35:20):
Not anymore. It used to be an actual script that
I had written that I had printed out, uh for
like like an actual like I had written a movie
like ten years ago, and I printed it out and
I had it so I was like, oh, in case
anyone can see through the paper, it's gonna look like
a script. But it got so mangled that it's just
(35:42):
like printer paper. Now there's there's nothing there. I'm just
acting like there is because I'm wow, yeah, it's all
pretend cool. Yeah, well movie magic.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
In the last year plus, Ryan, have you had another
instance where shit's gotten super crazy in the pursuit of
something that you were like, Oh, what the hell is happening?
What am I doing?
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Not really, because this past year it's been so so
baby oriented that it's been like has it been kind
of survival mode?
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Any dad stories?
Speaker 3 (36:27):
I mean it's just like only ones that'll be interesting
to me, like you know, like my daughter making noises.
You know, it's not like it's it's very fun for
me to hear, but it is yeah, yeah, I know
it's been. I know, like we've been very just like
staying at home and not doing anything too crazy. We
(36:49):
were at home so much that like I forgot that
I was that, I got that I could get recognized
in public. So then like when it happened after months
of being in my house, I was like, I was confused,
Like someone stopped me. It was like, hey, are you Ryan.
I was like really concernedly, yeah, like what's wrong? Yeah,
(37:11):
So I don't now I remember that that that can happen.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Well, you did say, uh, last time you were on
that you you think your definition of making it would
change once you had a kid. Is that true?
Speaker 3 (37:24):
I think so. Like I I mean, I'm I've always
known that I would like want to be a really
hands on and dedicated father, and it scared me in
the sense of like, I'm also like kind of a workaholic.
So I was like, how how can those two things coexist?
(37:46):
But it turns out pretty well. I'm I'm very lucky
that I work from home and I'm not stuck to
like specific hours, and so sometimes if I'm stressed out,
I can just go see my kid and feel better
you know, So that's that's really nice. Or if my
wife needs backup on something, or if we want to
go to the park, I can just go to the park.
It's so so it's yeah, I feel like it for
(38:09):
my personal situation, that's that's I I feel like that
has that is making it. But obviously that's not a
reality for everybody. People need to go to offices, people
need to do various things. But definitely finding the work
life balance is is. Yeah, it has taken on a
(38:30):
lot more importance in my life. Also, I feel like
there's more when I am working, there's more like purpose
behind it because I'm like, I'm doing this to provide
for my family, and also like any minute that I'm
doing this, I'm not with them, so there's like there's
a bit more drive behind it in a way. So yeah,
I'm happy to see that they actually like coexist quite well,
(38:52):
and it's probably healthier as well to not just be
focused on work.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yeah, I definitely agree with that, and like as they
get old, it just kind of not forgetting that because yeah,
I find it quite easy to kind of get pulled
away and then go, actually, what am I doing this far?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Right?
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah, I can't like having to spend like ten hours
in an office at a job that you don't like.
Sounds like really really really rough. And I feel like
so many times over this past year, my wife and
I have been like, oh my god, we are so
lucky that this is our situation that we get to
just be here. Yeah, super super lucky.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
How are you wanting to uh wrap this up? Emily?
Have you got a plan? Because I I'm just like,
I'm just firing questions off.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Ryan, you can ask another question and then I'm just
firing stuff off. Maybe in a maybe in a couple
of minutes, I'll reveal my plan. It's really not calmed down.
It's the most obvious plan that's ever.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Is it on this set of notes?
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Okay, okay, okay, no, because what I was going to
ask you is because you've built like a lot of
your creativity online. The straight answer this might be no.
But is there anything you're dying to try creatively that's
totally offline like theater, interpreted dance, interpret graphic.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Novels, interpretive dance. For sure? No, I have been it
has it has been like kind of popping in my
head of doing something live, like like stand up. I
did stand up like ten years ago. So yeah, that's
that's something that I would be interested in doing. Potentially.
(40:46):
A YouTuber friend of mine, Julie Nolki, she has like
a one woman show that she's been touring on in
Canada and Europe and stuff, and so she seems to
be having a great time with that. It's it's like
a special thing, like kind of like the Tommy in
its situation and where you know, if I was just
a stand up starting out, which like I was ten
years ago, you got to do like open mics and
(41:09):
do like five minutes for just a room full of
not a room, not a room full for five drunk people,
never a room full. But now that I have like
this online audience, I could technically, you know, test the
waters and be like, Okay, would I be able to
sell like two hundred tickets in this city and just
do like a night of comedy of some kind. Yeah,
(41:33):
I'm definitely interested in exploring that. We'll see.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah, maybe I know you draw in a massive odence
for that.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I'm there, I'm already, I'm there. I'm seated and ready
for that.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Oh that's too much pressure, either told me in it
funds of your generation.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
Ryan, Sorry, oh you are okay? Great?
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yeah, yeah, it's right anyways.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Ryan in it That doesn't sound as that doesn't roll
off the tongue as well, Ryan, And it's Ryan, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Or you could do you could reverse and start mine crafting.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Yeah, that's a great idea.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
What happened the Sims roller coaster Tycoon? Yeah, roller coaster Tailey?
Do you know do do you have a roller coaster?
Does anybody? Am I just making? Okay?
Speaker 2 (42:19):
They they still have like roller coaster Tycoon on roadblocks versions?
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Why you need to make in in a in a
in another game about making things? Make it. It's like
further separating yourself from reality to.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Play very creative nowadays.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Play a video or sometimes it when you're in an
environment that makes it super easy to be creative. Do
you know how many people I accidentally drowned or blew
up when I was playing roller coaster Tycoon?
Speaker 3 (42:54):
That was That's kind of the fun though.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Right the roller coaster or like you know enough trash
cans like it's too it's too easy to make a
to become a theme park tycoon, zoo Tycoon. All my
goats kept mating and then there was not enough room
for all the goats.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Anyway, that's a problem. It's I always liked civilization.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
That's a great I had like a text based Hollywood
tycoon where you had to like you'd come up with
the title of a movie. Yes, I had this too,
you did.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Oh my god, I forgot about it until just now.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Go on, Ryan, what do you do?
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Oh, you have to you come up with a movie,
and I think you like name a director or something,
and then you like set the budget and then you
see how it performs at the box office. I don't
remember how you could if there was any strategy to
it or you just like, do you remember, Emily.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
I don't think there was. I think it was random
combinations of things. And then I remember it like developed
into like you could like write a script and then
they would have like two cartoons like one would you know,
say a line, the other would say line. And I
thought I was a filmmaker. So not everyone on Roadblocks
(44:09):
is it's super creative. It just uh somewhere, I'm sure Listen,
they have more These kids have more money than I do.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
So I wonder if somebody made that game in Roadblocks,
we should check that.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
I bet, I bet it's a This is the equivalent
of our grandparents going well in my day. Yeah, yeah,
oh times there are changing yet on the train.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Emily, I'm fine being on the train. However, I just
also want people to not like when I was at
Disneyland last, which has been you guys, it's been like
a year now. Anyway, the last time I was there,
there was a child looking at an iPad and I
was like, if you have to be on an iPad
at Disneyland, we have a problem. So I think there's
(44:58):
a happy middle medium that's not you know, living in uh.
I just watched m Night's Shyamalan's The Village. Has anyone
seen this movie?
Speaker 3 (45:10):
Yeah, back in the day people didn't.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Like people just like shooting on him and I liked it.
Speaker 3 (45:18):
I liked the twist.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Yeah, and I got the acting Bryce Ellis Howard like
terrific performance. What's that guy's name, Brody Adrian, Yes, like
fantastic score.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Haley, I'm not in here like Karen know anybody's name? Yeah,
yeah Brody?
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Yeah, okay, but don't act like you don't sometimes, No,
I mean you work on in motions.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
I am terrible I remember in names and faces.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Do you have since this is your chapter two in
our book that's never being written, do you have a
chapter two title that that would be? I mean, your
last one was do you remember what it was? Ryan?
Speaker 3 (45:59):
I could, I will tell you it was Making it
is making.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
It, Colon, it's never super super easy. Colan.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
That's too many Colon's.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Wow, But you set the president now because everybody's has
been way too long. Oh really, Okay, so we've had hashtags.
Speaker 3 (46:18):
Okay, so I guess it would be Ryan in it,
Colon The Life and Times of a roadblocks YouTuber.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
I'm acting like I'm a background actor and I can't
actually clap and make noise. That was great, Thank you, populous,
Thank you Ryan, thank you.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
She's definitely tall.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
I'll do it right now here we go.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
You know, I know sepol Do I know people who
are touring on the basis of you paying to spend
time with them?
Speaker 3 (46:51):
So what yeah, oh like like like comic cons and stuff.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
No, No, Like, I'll be doing these bars around the country.
Come and I'll like sit and like tell some stories.
But we're really just gonna be hanging out and drinking,
and you're gonna pay for it.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
I could do that.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
That's what I'm saying. Okay, get a van, put your
face on it. You know, this is the new audience, Ryan,
we are we you are first marketing client, so we
know what we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
I do think like with the with AI getting like
taking over the world, there will be kind of a
resurgence of live stuff, you know, being having more value
for people totally.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
And it's so funny that like every artist I know
hate like hates it, and then the people I talk
to that have like regular jobs are like, oh my god,
look at this fun thing that it like, yeah, day that,
And I'm sitting there, like I was talking to my
friend today and she was like, oh my god, I
think this is amazing, and I was like, this scares
is the absolute.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
Shit of me.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
And I'm not even running a marathon.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
All back.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
Okay, nice, nice, well, very good, she's very good.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Enjoy enjoy your baby, and uh you know all of that.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
Yeah, no, thank you very much, thank you for having means.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Well, well, we'll see you in the year.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
Yes, let you have another kid and we'll talk. Yeah yeah, yeah,
I'll be on my world tour by then.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Amazing. Yeah, thank you Ryan, Bye bye all that flew by.
I think that was great.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
I feel like I've got less of a stick on
my ass.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
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