August 21, 2025 • 57 mins
In the Arena - Show 53. Brought to you by LifeVac. Hosted by Rick Fatscher. With special guests. Be sure to catch Mr. 3000, Ray Priebe, with news on the latest lives saved. The Man in the Arena airs live @ 6:30pm EST every Thursday night from Paradise Studios NY via the STRONGISLAND.COM Entertainment Network.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
It's no joke.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
When you choke life back and without breath, they'll be
death cigat life bad Life.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Back and.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Back life back and.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Get life back and live Boom. Welcome to the Man
and Tonight Woman in the Arena, the show where we
celebrate people who dare greatly, who step into the arena
of life with they love this word great, courage and purpose.
Today's guest is someone who redefines what it means to
take on the impossible. Jen Drummond is a mother of
seven let's stop right there, Yeah right, stop right there,
(00:44):
A driven entrepreneur, a mountaineer who has scaled some of
the daunting peaks in the world. But her story is
more than just about climbing mountains. It's about resilience, reinvention,
and refusing to let life's toughest challenges keep her down.
After surviving a near fatal car accident, Jen made a
promise to herself and her family. She would live fully,
(01:04):
chase boll dreams, and show her children and the world
what it looks like to rise above after being knocked down.
You know about that? Yeah, that promise led her all
the way to the top of Mount Everest. In this episode,
we dive into gens incredible journey, the lessons she learned
on the mountain and in motherhood, and what it takes
to push past fear, and how each of us can
(01:27):
find the courage to face the mountains in our own lives.
She's also the author of a great book called break Proof.
Seven Strategies to Build Resilience and Achieve your life' goal.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Amazing woman, amazing and this is the foundation. You know,
these things fermented in my head. So I was at
networking ding and a meta and asked her what it
was like to stand on top of Everest and she
glowed and explained the awe And for this episode, what
stuck in my head was that or what is awe?
(02:02):
Right now? It's not easy to climb ever, it's not
easy to take a device and save lives and the
work that can go into awe. Then there was you know,
the birth of Jackie, and I usedill remember coming out
and seeing her for the first time. That was AWE. Right,
So I guess when I want to And you know
(02:23):
the theme here of her bill, Resilience and Achieve your
Life Goal seven Strategies. The book is kind of that,
it's kind of lessons that taught us how to build
our strategies, right, our foundations.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
You're comparing it to your book, Yeah, sorry, can't is
a lie, which, of course we should always mention. Life
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(02:59):
Once in a while we plugged.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
But the point is that, awe, it takes effort a
lot of times. I mean, you know, yeah, birthday and child.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
It wasn't easy to get there. And that's what builds into.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah at the moment, and I think, you know, and
with her when I was looking at her and she
was describing that moment, and in my head, I was
backtracking how difficult it is to get to the top
adverse right, which she'll elaborate on, And I think we
delve into some of the other effort that goes into
these achievements. You know, I have to watch a lot
(03:32):
of this news TV. It drives me crazy because our
commercial runs and I try and monitor it and make
sure it's good and make sure, we're doing okay, And.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
It's pretty much all crap.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
It's unbelievable crap, and it really is like almost painful.
And we have all these people giving opinions on things
that they didn't do and scrutinizing other people. And in
the arena, it's about people that actually have a life
that was built out of tragedy, out of effort, that
(04:03):
can help people. Right. And I thought, in the back
of our head to molt Gens too, oh right, give
me do you have one come stop your head or
a moment of awe?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
When you describe seeing your daughter Jackie for the first time,
I immediately thought of my first daughter, Ryan, who was premature,
and it was I couldn't I couldn't speak. Yeah, I
really couldn't speak.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah you told I just got my hairs to it
because Jagie was sea sex. She popped out and I
swear she was looking at me and smiling, and I
was in awe. But I I don't think there's I
think all is its own category. I don't think it
has degrees. It hits you. It's kind of like love,
you know, it hits you. And when we wrote into
the semite this past fight, right, you got that feeling
(04:53):
now having a baby an easy getting there? You know,
the seven hours in the van singing. So I think, Jen,
I know that we didn't prep you on this, So
I think we bring her in and I certainly want
to explore a lot of her character because she certainly
(05:13):
is a person of incredible character and courage, which I
think also is necessary to achieve awe. Did you did hi?
How are you hi?
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Friends?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
How are you good? Did you Did you remember the
moment when I asked you? And you kind of explain that.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I do remember that moment, and it's a moment I
live often because there's moments of non awe in our lives.
So we have to touch those moments of awe to
remind ourselves that this is part of the journey.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Now, do you like? How difficult was you know, you've
you've climbed seven summits, but Everest is, like you know,
everyone knows, right, how difficult was that?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Compared to the other mountains that I had to climb?
Everest is one of the easier mountains, which I know
is hard for people to hear, but yeah, okay, And
the reason why it's easy is because it's been so commercialized,
so there's so many teams and so many resources, and
(06:18):
it's been done so many ways that they've reiterated and
reiterated and reiterated.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
To this smooth running machine that they have.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
You have teams running oxygen, you have teams running rope,
you have teams running tents, you have teams running ladders.
You have so much that's all calculated and figured out
that for me as a climber, I just need to
show up.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Now backing up to the Ore Foundation, give me a
non Everest awe top of your head.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Yeah, you know, I could sound like.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
My first mountain was Ahma de Blom, which is located
in a pall on the way to Everest. It's probably
one of the most photogenic mountains in the world. And
that being your first, right, there's something magical about your
first experience of seeing everything. And I just remember getting
to the top of that mountain and thinking, Wow, humans
(07:10):
are capable of so much more than we think. Because
on the way up that mountain there was at least
a thousand times I wanted to turn around and quit, right,
and I'm like, I'm so glad I didn't.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
And so you sit up there and you're just bathe
in the fact that we continue.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
What would click in your head with them? Because I
know I had many in life back journey, but there
was no there wasn't no quid option, As the famous
Apollo line goes, what pushed you forward? Like when you said,
I don't know if I can do this? What am
I doing? What made you keep going?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I would always make myself take one more step. And
if I could take one more step, then I knew
whatever wanted me to quit was BS and you know,
And so I was like, oh, well, yeah, right. And
when you climb enough, you realize your body is designed
to keep you like safe and extra energy, energy reserves
and all the little details. So for me it was like, oh,
(08:09):
my body thinks I'm done. I still have sixty percent left,
so we're good.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
We're going to keep going.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
And then you you make it about something bigger than yourself.
For me, it was very much I need to climb
to the top of this mountain to show moms that
we are allowed to chase our goals and be mothers
and have all the other roles that we have and
enjoy it.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
And so if I don't get up there and show
them that who is.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Well bet on you? Right now? What the effort to awe? Right?
Do you see that?
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Always?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Always?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Because to me, AWE is this moment where you feel
the breath of society. Like all the emotions that are
available to us, you feel it in one moment. And
to bring it back to you when your daughter was born,
you're just an awe, Like this human that I created
(09:05):
is here and healthy and fingers and toes and like
all these bodies, like all the things.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Unless than nine months didn't prepare you for it, right,
That's what I said. It was like we were thinking
about We've been thinking about this for nine months at least,
and now this words doesn't do it justice. The feelings
are just overwhelming.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Yeah, they leak out your eyes.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Yeah, do you mind? Do you mind going back to
what inspired you to take these incredible feats?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Oh? You did a one to eighty in life to
some extent, And I think that sounds my interpretation that
the accident kind of woke up and said what am
I doing? What I need to live a life of.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Significance?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, because I was struggling, and that wasn't I was
going a venture, but that's not what you did.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
No, because my life before the car accident was success.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Like I had the houses, I had the cars, I
had the children, I had the numbers and you know,
the zeros in the bank account, And all of a sudden,
I realized, like, what does that even matter? Like who
even defines what success is? And to me, it was
all about No. Life's about significance. It's about leaving legacy
and impacting others and making their lives better because you existed.
(10:25):
And that really made me get out of this accumulation
game into the impact game.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
And what how did you pick climbing the mountain?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I mean it was I mean I look at it,
and I think it was pretty random, but I think
the universe does random for us at times. And I
was looking at things I was interested in doing before
I died because all of a sudden, death was real, and.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
I'm like, I need to climb a mountain. I live
in the mountains, I live in Park City.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I've never climbed a mountain, and so I'm one of
those people that goes big or go home. And I
asked friends, I'm like, if you could climb one mountain
in the world, what would you climb? And rec mended
a mountain named don with the blomb that got elevated
to Everest and then my coach elevated it to setting
a world record.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah. Now, when you were on top of the first one,
and you know, I noticed, and I noticed you had
the picture of your family on everst I didn't see
on top.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Of every one of them, every mountain. I took a
picture of my kids up to the top.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
When you on the first one, right where you're kind
of set something almost impossible in your sights to accomplish
you had thought about not, you know, giving up. I
would like to stand there with them kind of the
accumulation of life's or you're seven kids, Yeah in that mountain,
(11:43):
Like when you looked at their picture and looked at
what you did, did you get a kind of a
accumulation feeling?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Definitely, Because when it got hard, sometimes I would dedicate
fifteen minutes to a child and I would just send
prayers and memories and good stories to them, even though
they were seventy five hundred miles away, and then I
would go to the next child to just get out
of my own way and just continue to climb and
think about other people, and so when I got to
the top, I'm like, how amazing it is? Is it
(12:13):
that I have these seven humans I get to call
me mom? And if I'm capable of doing this, they're superhumans.
I can't even wait to see what they're capable of doing.
And it just restored this faith in humanity that we
are so connected and so capable, and I'm so inspired
to see how they take their life and what they
(12:34):
decide to do with it.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Do you think I know? For me, I felt that
my you know, I was a good parent, I believe,
and I was a good coach. I think you know
I was the same similar I had the zero's and
I was retiring at forty seven, but this was a
different mission. You know. Do you think it's made you
a better parent?
Speaker 5 (12:56):
One thousand percent? I think there's like zero question.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
And the fun thing about climbing mountains later on in
life and being a beginner later on in life is
that my kids are beginners right now, and so when
they're struggling with their math homework, I'm like, yeah, I'm
struggling with this climbing wall, or I'm struggling to eat healthy,
and so are you. So we were doing life in parallel,
which allowed us to relate at a level that sometimes
(13:20):
it's harder.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
To communicate because they don't get to see what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I think that that's a really good point. I didn't
even think about the fact that I had no idea
what it was doing. So that was an example in itself.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Well, we have people that tell us what we're doing,
sometimes so good or for bad. Yeah right, chiming in
but giving their opinion.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Well, they were usually you can't do that, you're gonna
get sued, you're gonna go to jail, you're gonna fail.
You don't know what you're doing. Uh, you rip off
your taking advantage.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
You know, I got jen, What did you do with
those negative voices? Are there any Oh?
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Were there any?
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
It was unbelievable because, like, my most prized position is
being a mom, and so when you tell somebody that
you're a mom and you love your kids and you're
gonna go climb overst or like bs, good moms don't
climb everest. And so for me it was so important
to show that actually, great moms climb ever rest. But
one just rewrite that narrative. So anything that was negative
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was just fuel for me.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
But that goes through to the difficulty of achieving law,
the difficulty of learning more. That makes you more valuable
in the face of not only the challenge either of
inventing your life saving device in your garage or climbing
everest the on. The people don't know that those things
(14:40):
make you better.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Right. If you look back and say, you know the
key question, did it make you better mom? Heck yeah,
and your analogy you're parallel to them. Struggling with learning
too was awesome. I didn't think of that, right, But
our example is that it makes us better parents. Right,
(15:03):
So all that negativity was not only you know, concern
or you know if that make it was misguided. You
were better.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
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Jen Drummond's going to stick around and we'll talk to
her after this message.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
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Speaker 4 (16:05):
Welcome back to the Man in the Arena. My name
is Rick Thatcher, along with Arthur Lee's CEO, inventor of
Life Back, and we're joined by super mom, super person,
super human being Jen Drummond, who's talking to us about
her incredible, incredible feats where she's climbed what do they
call it? Then? The second highest six seven?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, so they actually call it the seven second summits,
which steve the second highest peak on each of the
seven continents.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
And how does it well, I'm obviously in size differs
from the top seven.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Yeah, so basically they're just a little bit shorter.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
But for example, K two is the second highest point
in Asia. K two's eight hundred feet shorter than Everest,
yet way more technically difficult. Twenty five percent of the
people that climb K two die in its pursuit, where
Everest is only four percent, and a lot more people
climb Everest than K two.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
You ever have any close calls?
Speaker 5 (17:06):
I've probably had three close claws.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
On the mountain when anyone's sticking your head that you
really were like, this is it?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You know, Like one of them was the slow burn
in a storm, right, So a lot of them are
these quick jerks that scare you and you're like, oh
my gosh, thank god the rope was there, or this
caught me, or we missed that avalanche because we were
running a few minutes late, and that was God doing
his work. But we were in this storm for six
days and it was pulling at the tent and trying
(17:35):
to rip it, and if the tent ripped, we were
going to be dead. And at one point it got
really really bad where my guide was saying, put all
your gear on, no where everything is. Start writing notes
on your phone to your family so if they find it,
you have left them something to tell them what's going on.
And let's just buckle down for the next fourteen hours.
And that's almost worse, yeah, because you're sitting in it
(17:56):
and you're like, I'm metabolizing it and you don't know.
I prefer like, let me skydive and deal with it
and be done versus let it linger for days.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I've had many of those whoa that was closer. Yes, yes,
they go real quick and then you move on. Did
you read you read into thin air? Right?
Speaker 5 (18:15):
I did?
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah? And you remember where I believe it was hole
where he was stuck and he knew and he was
communicating with the knowledge that it was eventually he was
just going to die. Yeah, And that always stuck with
me in the sense of what would you do if
you knew you were going to go? You know? And
(18:36):
it's interesting that the guide said, you know, send you notes, right, yeah,
make sure those you hear the calls from the planes
on nine to eleven, and you know, you compress that
entire life into a few minutes or you know, an
hour day whole survive for like seventy two hours because
(18:56):
he was just superhuman. But another inchro moment and there's
someone on that right if you had that. And now
once again going back to the hold, you're crazy. You
shouldn't do that. You're a bad mom too. I'm better mom,
and I have so much more appreciation for so many
things that make me more useful.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
No, and you come back from those experiences, and I
know this is going to sound crazy, but you come
back from those experiences and everything is amazing, like everything.
I remember coming back and looking at a weed growing
through the concrete, and I like it was cheering.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
The weed on.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I'm like, I'm so proud of you for like being
out here by yourself and fight with a good fight
and good luck, and like you just like like why
is that rock there?
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Why is that tree there? Like everything is just.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
So beautiful because the alternative is you don't get to
experience it as we know it, you.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Know, I think in the arena is our usefulness as
opposed to I think he should have said that this
is the lesson of that meaning you don't have to
climb everice, you don't have to invent a life saving device.
You have to pursue something. You have to pursue good.
(20:12):
You have to pursue something that tests you and educates you.
And I think the fundamental thing that you brought out,
I'm so glad you came on that helps us be
better and helps us be better parents. Right, you were
cheering for the weed because you know what it's like
to grow through the cement. Yeah, definitely, because you said
(20:35):
dump some whatever on it and kill it.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
So you mentioned moms before doing it for moms and
setting an example. But for people who will never climb
everest as you do, what's the everyday mountain you think
most of your you know, your patriots or your contemporary space.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
She has seven kids.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I know seven, Yeah, you know, I think we all
have mountains, right. It's anything that's hard for us. In
our house, we use what's your everest? Because then I
know what the hardest thing is my kid is dealing
with at that moment, and I know how to treat
that because it might not be an everest to me,
but if he uses a word like this is my
everest right now, I know how to respond and support
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and help and love through that.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
So we all have an everest. It just looks different.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I know mine right now is dealing with the construction
outside my house.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
It's nice, right, I want.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
To like tell them how to do it better, do
it at night instead of drinking, Like I have a
lot of opinions on how this should be done, and
I just have to sit there and be like, you
know what, I'm grateful there's people that are taking care
of this road and it might look different than I
wanted it to, but I'm going to just celebrate what
I'm grateful for in this moment, and we all have
that challenge. We all have to find what can we
be grateful for and whatever moments were dealt.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
But I think it's important that what you said about
the fact that an everest, I use the term did
you hit an iceberg? Meaning was there a fatal flaw?
Did you hit something that is prevent you from moving forward?
Speaker 7 (22:02):
You know?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
And it's an iceberg, I meaning you sunk. There was
no recovery. But I like your term, and I think
it's certainly a benefit if people did that with roses
and thorns at the table. We used to do rosen
thorns every night, right. It was best party day, worst
party day, Right, And we still do it. And I
(22:25):
think it's a It's a great talking point, like when
Ben Carson I was talking to him and they would
pick a p some they would pick something to talk
about at dinner, right, And I think what your everest
is another cool gift that we can give to people,
particularly with this stupid thing, right, how do we get
(22:47):
out of that? How do we get back to thinking
what your ever's right? How does this psalm affect you?
How does this lesson? What do you think? And I
think that's a great term. I'm going to use that.
Did you have a.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Rose thorns? Not in that?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Did you ever do that?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
I don't know if we call it roses and throat?
We had high and low. Give me your high, give
me a high low. This is what we called it.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
That's cool.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
The kids have the kids? Did they show like you say?
Their novice is certainly in mountain climbing, but do they
show interest?
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:20):
You know.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I've taken my three oldest to kill them in Jarrow
and they climbed kill them and Jarrow with me and
had great success. My younger ones, I'm waiting un till
the're a little bit older, but I'm definitely going to
take them because it's just to write a passage in
our family.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Now.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
It was their least favorite vacation until a month later
it became their favorite vacation.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
So I'm like, okay, this worked.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
What was uh? Why kill him and Jar?
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Because kill em and Jar is the roof of Africa.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
It's a gorgeous country. The people that climb there with
you are very enthusiastic. They love their jobs. They're grateful.
It takes seven days to climb it, and there's not
any real hazard. So the only risks that I would
have somebody got hurt as if they got altitude sickness.
But because we did the seven day route, that eliminated
that pretty much. So for me, it was giving them
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a chance to be out there, have the experience without
the risk.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
How high is comban, John?
Speaker 5 (24:12):
I think it's nineteen thousand three and forty one feet maybe?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
And where where do you where does the oxygen issue
kick in?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
It can kick in at ten thousand feet for people
or six thousand feet for people sickness.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
But the areas, you know, there's the you know, the
dead zone where you have to go.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Oh, the death zone.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
I think the death zone kicks in at about twenty
five thousand.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Feet okay, yea.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
And how high is ever eversu is twenty nine to
twenty nine, so two nine oh two nine okay.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
These are good. Also, some conversation we're talking about roads
and doors that are a didning table. What altitude you
die at?
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Right?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
The person answering these questions in the same person ridiculously
coolest Well verse, yeah, but that's pretty awesome, it is.
I think the biggest point was that these challenges bring
us to be better parents and better people. Right. And
you mentioned the word gratitude, which I love because that's
such an underlying, not appreciated emotion and thought. Right. I
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remember when I helped kill you in the first boy,
we say, little boy, and staring at the parents and
the grandparents, and for me, from my accident, the gratitude
was they didn't have to go through what I went through,
you know. And it really was, if I use our
today's terminology, I was in all I was in all
of two things, one perfectly quiet and I'm holding this
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little dude, you know, and then looking out at the
parents and the grandparents and knowing how destroyed they would
have been from my own heart. And I guess that's
another moment of awe, you know. But it's all based
on gratitude. I was grateful that they didn't have to
a that.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
I think gratitude can drive a lot of our behavior
and experiences. And with my kids, I'm always like compared
to what, right, Like they're grumpy about something, I'm like
compared to what, because there's a lot of other options
that would be even worse than the one you're dealing
with right now.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah, Well, our I'll give you something to cry about. Yeah,
that was a real quick cut off through your complaining.
I'll give you something to cry about, no problem.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
How long is the training for say, killiman Jarrow? Are
you trained for it as if someone would train for
a marathon.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah, I would say, like I think if you were
coming from the sofa, depending if you had like a
past of like any kind of fitness whatsoever, you could
probably be ready.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
In like ten weeks. If you were more active, you
could probably be ready in six.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
What do you do? Do you climb or do you
do tikes?
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Like it's carrying a weighted backpack.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
So I use my go ruck and I'll walk and
do laps around the neighborhood, or I'll do step ups
on stair I'll run up and down staircases when I
go to the mall instead of parking at a level
that I could use an elevator.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
And you just pick those little spots to put it in.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
I think your longest day on Kilimanjaro hiking is probably
seven hours.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
But it's not like running.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I mean, you're going up altitude, so you're feeling it,
but it's just being able to move your body consistently
for a continuous period of time is how you get
up those mountains.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
What is that pack that you carry and train with?
Speaker 5 (27:27):
Well, it depends on the mountain.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
So if you're on Everest or Kilimandjarro, you can have
lighter packs because they're very supported mountains, so less than
twenty pounds. When I'm on Mount Logan and I'm carrying
all the things that we need, I'm in a forty
pound backpack with probably a sixty pound sled and I'm
one hundred and fifteen pound person.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Well I'd rather carry her.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Yeah, and no animals involved.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Now, like so on Everest still have sometimes YACs involved,
Killiman Jarl. They just have people. And then like on
Mount Logan, you just have yourself. There's no animals out
there that's on that. Yeah, you're on the glacier.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
If you were to inspire a mom to climb something,
what would it be?
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I think the most important thing that everybody climbs is
the demons inside them.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I know, but and I agree, But our mission in
the arena and sharing a mind challenges is to inspire them.
And if someone looked at it and said, and I
guess I'm looking for the weed grown through the crack
what is something that if you said, hey, look, maybe
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you can't go do this or that, what could you do,
like if you had to pick them out and just say, look,
try it.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Good place to start.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I think kill Monjarl is a great place to start
in America. It's actually really easy to get to Ecuador too,
and Ecuador uses US dollars, so it's a very affordable trip.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Kill Manjarald. The flight can be pretty expensive to get over.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
But climb kill or no matter, I mean, no, no
dirt banks.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
We have to get there. Well, we create motorcycle trips lazy,
but that motory has something to do.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Absolutely, we should definitely motorcycle Africa. That'd be amazing. I'm
in for that adventure.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
I guess we have a new evil.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
We do hard.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
That's she'd jump on that hard of course. Very difficult
to believe that.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
You you identify with the title of Arthur's book Cancers Alive.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, would you think of that on my book?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Oh my gosh, that book has been inspiration for my
last twelve LinkedIn posts.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
That's awesome, you know what it stems from kind of
the what you said about you know, doing it and
then all the great things that happened because you shrugged
off what the mom is supposed to be and Lauren
so much and built beautiful children because they see their
mother do these things. Getting rid of that word is
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not a normal kind of thought, right, And I still
catch myself and it's sometimes it's touched, but sometimes it's
hard because you want to just say, you know, I
can't make it tonight, and you have me being meticulous
now about it. I have to go, you know, I'd
like to, but I have to do. I have some
other things to do. But the moment of catching yourself
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on that word and going back to being a kid
and my dad insisting on it. Who put a man
on the moon? Definitely helped me. Yeah, And I think
that that was curious how someone who obviously is not
use that word. I'm gonna go climb out. No, you
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can't do that. Oh yeah, what's next?
Speaker 3 (30:53):
You know, right now I'm in the season of just
absorbing all that's happened. It's really easy for me to
go and so for me, I want to show my
kids that we're not always in the season of being
on and it's okay to have a winter. So I'm
being very cautious about what I pick up, because I
want to demonstrate that you can have a pause before
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you pick up.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I think maybe it's it's a god Wing pause because
I think you have enough experience that you need to share,
and I mean a share in what you did today.
You know that I did this and I did that. Okay,
what'd you learn from it? What'd you feel from it?
As a mother of seven? Having done these things, I
think you have such value to parents men when right,
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I don't.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Think I could father seven.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Hey, it's fun practicing, so just keep that up.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Okay, but don't you think now do you feel that
that direction is important? Now that all that effort and
everything you learn and needs to be shared to get
the person who's maybe not even contemplating Everest, they're contemplating,
you know, getting through homework to have a different outlook
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by sharing your story.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
I love sharing my story. I love speaking on stages.
I love going to masterminds. I'm hosting masterminds, and so
for me, it's that obligation, right, you come back from
the hero's journey, and now you have to share the
journey to help others on theirs. And that's definitely the
phase that I'm in and enjoying, but I'm sure there's
gonna be another challenge that gets me excited them and
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say yes to.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I think so too when I agree, And I struggle
with that all the time. And it was funny with
I was, you know, me and Jack go out and
I have a fire every night before she goes back
to school and sit on the island and I was
contemplating riding around and living out of my van or
becoming president of the United States. Those are the ones
I was waiting, and She's like, you know, only you
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would have those two is the thoughts that you might
do when you grow up.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
It's about possibility, it is.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
But it was funny that I share those thoughts, like
you know, something will come to you. But I think
the hope and I know you will, is to share
those thoughts like you did today, about the the unassuming
gifts that you got from challenging yourself, the better parent,
the gratitude for the weed.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Well, how about the book? When did Breakproof become a reality?
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:25):
So that book came out in January of twenty four,
so right, and that was I mean, talk about a
mountain to climb, friends, that's work so but yeah, that
came out, and that's been awesome just walking people through
those different lessons that I learned.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Probably the key one being big mountains take big teams.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
So if you're gonna have you set a big average
like goal, you better have a big team to help
bring it to fruition because otherwise it's going to get
hard fast.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Well seven strategies, all right, so team going.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Through all seven? The boar everybody. They need to buy
the book us.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Spoil the team.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Where can people get the book?
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Yeah, so it's.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Available on Amazon right now, so feel free to buy
it there.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
I have it on my website. You can d m
me too.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
I have some copies at the house that I sign
and send to people. But I think one of the
other concept is believe in things others say can't be
done and just really understand, like, believe in things others
say can't be done.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
And I know you have to you guessed we have
to get called out, but you know what, it's time
for a break, Jen, Can you stick around a little
bit longer?
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (34:40):
Thank you?
Speaker 4 (34:41):
All right, We'll be back with more of Jen Drummond
on the man in this case woman in the arena,
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Speaker 4 (35:33):
Welcome back to the Woman in the Arena. Tonight's guests
Jen Drummond, and we've been just enthralled with the stories
of her super mom mountaineer and also I wanted to touch
on entrepreneur. Yeah, so yeah, what have we seen you
on Shark Tech?
Speaker 3 (35:52):
I wish I want to be one of the judges.
So let's put that into the atmosphere.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
It's Stillett, you were I may see Mark Cuban this weekend.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
So there you go. You put me in that little lineup.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
No, never know, So what type of businesses have you?
Speaker 5 (36:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:08):
So I went to college to become a doctor because
then my town, that's the only person that made money,
and so I thought that's what I would do because
I like to help people and whatever else, my chemistry
teacher told me that I was not cut out for
such a career because I didn't like the library and
I didn't know one person's name in my classroom. So
then my business law teacher said, well, of course you
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don't belong in there, like get into finance. You have
a personality for people. And so I had started a
career in investment management, and then I got into institutional
investment management, and thank god, because I'm expensive and I
now know how to manage money, or I'd be in
big trouble. And then I kind of hired myself out
(36:48):
of a job so I could be home with the kids.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Now do you feel, you know, I think that in
our world, you know, I didn't go into air free
because I had a mission, or I went as I
used to drive a truck, and then I did everything
else and I learned that business. I don't think the
drive and determination were equal. It was actually really difficult business.
(37:11):
But do you feel that your next venture will have
kind of more heart and soul?
Speaker 5 (37:17):
To it, oh, one thousand percent.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
I think your first one is to get to your foundation,
and then what's your foundation is created? Now all of
a sudden you can be like, Okay, how do I
do this impact play? Or how do I leave legacy?
Or where can I have impact that helps others? Because
the financial card's taken care of, so it's less about
how much can you accumulate.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
You asked me this on your show, and I think
this is the and I gave you the answer and
I said, you know legacy, right, legacy that guy went
in his garage and made that and changed the world.
It's not me right right. You have a similar thought
slash potential. Jen Drummond did that. It's there was a
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mom of seven who went out and climbed them mountain.
There was a mom of seven who took on these challenges.
I can do it. Do you feel that way?
Speaker 5 (38:11):
Yes? I feel that way inside and out.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
I feel somebody else would have taken the calling if
I didn't and that, but.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
I was I feel like I like I I was like, okay,
I'm here, I'm in.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
I'm in for the assignment. Like sign me up, I'll
learn the things and do the things and let's make
it happen.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Well, when I was a bank carson and I said this,
when I meet God, there's two questions, Why me? And
why so hard?
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Exactly why did I like bond bonds and watching movies like?
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Where did I want to.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Me?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
And why so hard? But the legacy part is you
know another venture that you're going to go in and
be amazing and is not us. It's the spirit, the lessons,
the helpfulness us to others that come about from what
we did. You know, we don't need a statue in
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the park. We need to hear that conversation someday that
says that guy or that girl, that mom, that guy
did that, not us. It's that it can.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
Be done, that it can be done.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
And I think it's important that the lessons of it
come out right. I think you know today, just hearing
what you know that how it made you a better parent,
like and and made you think differently, is a good
fending off for the fear I can't do that. I'm afraid.
I don't know, I'll lose my job. I'll go bro
(39:38):
you cat food, all right, got it, don't worry about.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
I haven't heard that's the first.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Time all right through here in the arena. Get s Yeah,
gets it, and we.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
Also haven't heard it because that's that's the customers.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I gave her the other day.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
What was hard, climbing the mountain or writing the book?
Writing the book was harder.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
Writing the book is harder because we get question for
the seven kids are the hardest.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
But the reason why writing a book is hard because
like a mountain, you start at the bottom and you
know like, Okay, eventually, if I just keep climbing up,
I'm going to hit the top. When you're writing a book,
you're paying attention to like what details do you leave
in so someone can follow along? What details do you
take out so it doesn't slow them down so much
they get bored. So you're balancing this cadence of another
(40:35):
human that you're not. You're trying to explain something to
them that they'll never really probably experience, so how can
they relate to that?
Speaker 5 (40:42):
And then you're trying to work at.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
This pace so that when they take it in they're like, yeah,
I learned something, I'm satisfied.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
I want to read more. So there's just so many
components to a book. On this white page.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Hard I told the story about talking to kid throwing
a rocket the guy it was.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Well, you weren't. So you're saying you weren't worried so
much about the listener.
Speaker 9 (41:05):
Yeah, probably read, but I do appreciate that insight by book.
I wrote another story today, no kidding, Yeah, coming home
on the plane about a rainbow that I saw that
ended that I didn't go see.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
So she's she inspired me.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Yeah? Is there is there another book?
Speaker 3 (41:23):
There is definitely another book, right because your first one,
you learned so much and you're inefficient and it's horrible
and it's sideways. And then all of a sudden you
start thinking in a like a writer or an author,
and you're like, oh, I have so many more stories
to share, just like art does to like get messages out.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
There's a great there's a great quote from the Odd
Couple that said I hate writing, but love having written. Yes,
and he attributes it this, but it's Oscar. It's Oscar Madison.
He says it about another author. Well, I can't remember,
so if anywhere writer, any odd couple officionados out there,
here's a sports writer. But he was trying to write
a book.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
He was stuck in the mountains.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
It was tough for him, but I always remember that
I hate writing, but love.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yes, did you ever see that?
Speaker 3 (42:12):
No?
Speaker 4 (42:12):
Sorry, it's a good movie.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
We're kind of a writer in finding himself in the mountains,
and I always was intrigued both from into thin Air,
and it's in my book that that's something I suggest
people read. Just the Will. You know, there's some tremendous
will in that book. And Shackleton too.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
Yeah, that one is amazing.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah, to kind of bring this back together. Those are
inspired me. Yep. Perseverance, survival, right, the ultimate perseverance, that refusal,
back weathers, climbing down, he's dead and he pops in
the tent. Hey, what's up? It just.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
We can say that, by the way, cleared clear.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Bitch goes back to our motorcycle trip.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
Yes, but uh so so, I mean, so many great
stories and you say, like, right now it's a period
of time where the family can you know, exhale and
know that Jen is going to be around.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but she's gonna she's.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
I mean, I'm gonna go climb up walk in May
or April of next year.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
But that was not I knew that was coming reminds
me of Brian tells me he's taking a break from
writing books. Our friend Brian killed me. He's writing books.
He's prolific, and he said he was going to take
a break because everyone always asks what's next, and he's
and he just signed a three book deal and he's, uh,
he's already writing on.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Oh crazy. Yeah, Hey, thank you, And I really hope
that you come on as what's.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
That word contributor thank a woman in the arena contributing.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
We could you know when we have a draw and inspiration.
I love this hopping and stuff because you have so
much wisdom to share that it really would be useful
to the people that they get to hear you. So
I'm super grateful for you coming on. Thank you, Thank
you for your candor and and some really great insight.
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It was just amazing.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
You said it best. Yeah that's all. I didn't even
write that, unwritten, unready amazing off the cuff is best.
So Jen, thank you so much for joining us. Jen Drummond.
Everyone get our book you Breakfast, break break Breakfast a
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and you'll get breakfast tomorrow morning. I promise. Thank you
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Speaker 5 (44:40):
Thank you.
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Hey, welcome back to the Man in the Arena tonight.
Of course we say the woman in the Arena because
Jen Drummond has been with us and telling us the
stories her path. It's just really incredible. Also, I mean
there's a lot of common tish. We're not to talk
about mountains with you, Arthur Lee, but we're talking about
(47:05):
a near fatal car accident kind of changing the trajectory.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
But I mean, in you know, in my book, there's
a subtle nature of suicide prevention, and I think that
sharing that the most horrible things don't necessarily mean an end.
And you know, me, I wanted it, I would have,
you know, But I have compassion for my mom and
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I'm grateful now that five thousand plus people are alive.
But that's a subtle.
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Underlying message.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Yeah, and you know, but she's going from great stuff, right.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
But going from and I don't know. We didn't talk
to John Drummond about how the darkest times were. But
she's certainly changed. But for you, there's survival and then
there's changing the world. There's a huge difference there.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
I think that for me and my side and that
the there is hope that if you can survive, right
you just put it off, like she said when she
wanted to quit, take another step, that it's amazing what
can happen. Like you know, you can't say, hang in there, buddy,
you know, chin up, you're gonna be okay. That makes
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you want to kill yourself, right, But if you can
see it and I don't highlight it, sticking it, it
comes out that it allows people to take one more
step because you don't know, and then people like her
and me, then it made it through and did something.
There's a lesson, right, the painful as it is, there's
(48:38):
a lesson. And at the beginning I was talking about
or on the pain. Right, you don't prances up a
mountains carrying a seven pound rocks sock. Now, she made
it seem relatively painless. But I walked down the block
with that mountain pack on. I'm going to pass out.
So there was a lot of pain to achieve that.
(48:58):
There's a lot of pain in my life to persevere.
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How way me and Jackie from the commercial wow, and
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you know that way right from the starfish back when
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you can. So when I sent it to this morning
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impacted too, you know we were there and what the
what beautiful words? You know, And I think if you
take it deeper, we never know what our kindness could
do right. And in my book I talk about waving
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Since you opened up before about you know, a dark
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have waved or said something at the right time that was.
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So great to me because you know, I was the guy.
You know, it was very odd. It was a very
almost lonely still is to some extent because I'm lucky.
I never met anyone that had that happen. But it
was very lonely to some extent, and it was all
out of I think fear.
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Speaker 1 (54:50):
No one wanted to bring it up, wanted to be
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Lot of cars drive by. Very few people stop the help,
you know, And during my incident with my daughter. I
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And again that that act of kindness. How far does
that go with people? You know? You that impacts I'll
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Thank you get him Ray.
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and it's a blessing for us. You know what. An
incredible conversation that we had with Jen Drummond, a mom,
a mountaineer, and a living example of what it means
to step boldly into the arena. Her story reminds us
right that the greatest summons aren't just found in the mountains,
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Get life back and live Boom. Welcome to the Man
and Tonight Woman in the Arena, the show where we
celebrate people who dare greatly, who step into the arena
of life with they love this word great, courage and purpose.
Today's guest is someone who redefines what it means to
take on the impossible. Jen Drummond is a mother of
seven let's stop right there, Yeah right, stop right there,
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A driven entrepreneur, a mountaineer who has scaled some of
the daunting peaks in the world. But her story is
more than just about climbing mountains. It's about resilience, reinvention,
and refusing to let life's toughest challenges keep her down.
After surviving a near fatal car accident, Jen made a
promise to herself and her family. She would live fully,
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chase boll dreams, and show her children and the world
what it looks like to rise above after being knocked down.
You know about that? Yeah, that promise led her all
the way to the top of Mount Everest. In this episode,
we dive into gens incredible journey, the lessons she learned
on the mountain and in motherhood, and what it takes
to push past fear, and how each of us can
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find the courage to face the mountains in our own lives.
She's also the author of a great book called break Proof.
Seven Strategies to Build Resilience and Achieve your life' goal.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Amazing woman, amazing and this is the foundation. You know,
these things fermented in my head. So I was at
networking ding and a meta and asked her what it
was like to stand on top of Everest and she
glowed and explained the awe And for this episode, what
stuck in my head was that or what is awe?
(02:02):
Right now? It's not easy to climb ever, it's not
easy to take a device and save lives and the
work that can go into awe. Then there was you know,
the birth of Jackie, and I usedill remember coming out
and seeing her for the first time. That was AWE. Right,
So I guess when I want to And you know
(02:23):
the theme here of her bill, Resilience and Achieve your
Life Goal seven Strategies. The book is kind of that,
it's kind of lessons that taught us how to build
our strategies, right, our foundations.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
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a lie, which, of course we should always mention. Life
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Speaker 1 (03:00):
But the point is that, awe, it takes effort a
lot of times. I mean, you know, yeah, birthday and child.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
It wasn't easy to get there. And that's what builds into.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah at the moment, and I think, you know, and
with her when I was looking at her and she
was describing that moment, and in my head, I was
backtracking how difficult it is to get to the top
adverse right, which she'll elaborate on, And I think we
delve into some of the other effort that goes into
these achievements. You know, I have to watch a lot
(03:32):
of this news TV. It drives me crazy because our
commercial runs and I try and monitor it and make
sure it's good and make sure, we're doing okay, And.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
It's pretty much all crap.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
It's unbelievable crap, and it really is like almost painful.
And we have all these people giving opinions on things
that they didn't do and scrutinizing other people. And in
the arena, it's about people that actually have a life
that was built out of tragedy, out of effort, that
(04:03):
can help people. Right. And I thought, in the back
of our head to molt Gens too, oh right, give
me do you have one come stop your head or
a moment of awe?
Speaker 4 (04:15):
When you describe seeing your daughter Jackie for the first time,
I immediately thought of my first daughter, Ryan, who was premature,
and it was I couldn't I couldn't speak. Yeah, I
really couldn't speak.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah you told I just got my hairs to it
because Jagie was sea sex. She popped out and I
swear she was looking at me and smiling, and I
was in awe. But I I don't think there's I
think all is its own category. I don't think it
has degrees. It hits you. It's kind of like love,
you know, it hits you. And when we wrote into
the semite this past fight, right, you got that feeling
(04:53):
now having a baby an easy getting there? You know,
the seven hours in the van singing. So I think, Jen,
I know that we didn't prep you on this, So
I think we bring her in and I certainly want
to explore a lot of her character because she certainly
(05:13):
is a person of incredible character and courage, which I
think also is necessary to achieve awe. Did you did hi?
How are you hi?
Speaker 5 (05:24):
Friends?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
How are you good? Did you Did you remember the
moment when I asked you? And you kind of explain that.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I do remember that moment, and it's a moment I
live often because there's moments of non awe in our lives.
So we have to touch those moments of awe to
remind ourselves that this is part of the journey.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Now, do you like? How difficult was you know, you've
you've climbed seven summits, but Everest is, like you know,
everyone knows, right, how difficult was that?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Compared to the other mountains that I had to climb?
Everest is one of the easier mountains, which I know
is hard for people to hear, but yeah, okay, And
the reason why it's easy is because it's been so commercialized,
so there's so many teams and so many resources, and
(06:18):
it's been done so many ways that they've reiterated and
reiterated and reiterated.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
To this smooth running machine that they have.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
You have teams running oxygen, you have teams running rope,
you have teams running tents, you have teams running ladders.
You have so much that's all calculated and figured out
that for me as a climber, I just need to
show up.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Now backing up to the Ore Foundation, give me a
non Everest awe top of your head.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Yeah, you know, I could sound like.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
My first mountain was Ahma de Blom, which is located
in a pall on the way to Everest. It's probably
one of the most photogenic mountains in the world. And
that being your first, right, there's something magical about your
first experience of seeing everything. And I just remember getting
to the top of that mountain and thinking, Wow, humans
(07:10):
are capable of so much more than we think. Because
on the way up that mountain there was at least
a thousand times I wanted to turn around and quit, right,
and I'm like, I'm so glad I didn't.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
And so you sit up there and you're just bathe
in the fact that we continue.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
What would click in your head with them? Because I
know I had many in life back journey, but there
was no there wasn't no quid option, As the famous
Apollo line goes, what pushed you forward? Like when you said,
I don't know if I can do this? What am
I doing? What made you keep going?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
I would always make myself take one more step. And
if I could take one more step, then I knew
whatever wanted me to quit was BS and you know,
And so I was like, oh, well, yeah, right. And
when you climb enough, you realize your body is designed
to keep you like safe and extra energy, energy reserves
and all the little details. So for me it was like, oh,
(08:09):
my body thinks I'm done. I still have sixty percent left,
so we're good.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
We're going to keep going.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
And then you you make it about something bigger than yourself.
For me, it was very much I need to climb
to the top of this mountain to show moms that
we are allowed to chase our goals and be mothers
and have all the other roles that we have and
enjoy it.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
And so if I don't get up there and show
them that who is.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Well bet on you? Right now? What the effort to awe? Right?
Do you see that?
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Always?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Always?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Because to me, AWE is this moment where you feel
the breath of society. Like all the emotions that are
available to us, you feel it in one moment. And
to bring it back to you when your daughter was born,
you're just an awe, Like this human that I created
(09:05):
is here and healthy and fingers and toes and like
all these bodies, like all the things.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Unless than nine months didn't prepare you for it, right,
That's what I said. It was like we were thinking
about We've been thinking about this for nine months at least,
and now this words doesn't do it justice. The feelings
are just overwhelming.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Yeah, they leak out your eyes.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Yeah, do you mind? Do you mind going back to
what inspired you to take these incredible feats?
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Oh? You did a one to eighty in life to
some extent, And I think that sounds my interpretation that
the accident kind of woke up and said what am
I doing? What I need to live a life of.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Significance?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, because I was struggling, and that wasn't I was
going a venture, but that's not what you did.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
No, because my life before the car accident was success.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Like I had the houses, I had the cars, I
had the children, I had the numbers and you know,
the zeros in the bank account, And all of a sudden,
I realized, like, what does that even matter? Like who
even defines what success is? And to me, it was
all about No. Life's about significance. It's about leaving legacy
and impacting others and making their lives better because you existed.
(10:25):
And that really made me get out of this accumulation
game into the impact game.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
And what how did you pick climbing the mountain?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I mean it was I mean I look at it,
and I think it was pretty random, but I think
the universe does random for us at times. And I
was looking at things I was interested in doing before
I died because all of a sudden, death was real, and.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
I'm like, I need to climb a mountain. I live
in the mountains, I live in Park City.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I've never climbed a mountain, and so I'm one of
those people that goes big or go home. And I
asked friends, I'm like, if you could climb one mountain
in the world, what would you climb? And rec mended
a mountain named don with the blomb that got elevated
to Everest and then my coach elevated it to setting
a world record.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah. Now, when you were on top of the first one,
and you know, I noticed, and I noticed you had
the picture of your family on everst I didn't see
on top.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Of every one of them, every mountain. I took a
picture of my kids up to the top.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
When you on the first one, right where you're kind
of set something almost impossible in your sights to accomplish
you had thought about not, you know, giving up. I
would like to stand there with them kind of the
accumulation of life's or you're seven kids, Yeah in that mountain,
(11:43):
Like when you looked at their picture and looked at
what you did, did you get a kind of a
accumulation feeling?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Definitely, Because when it got hard, sometimes I would dedicate
fifteen minutes to a child and I would just send
prayers and memories and good stories to them, even though
they were seventy five hundred miles away, and then I
would go to the next child to just get out
of my own way and just continue to climb and
think about other people, and so when I got to
the top, I'm like, how amazing it is? Is it
(12:13):
that I have these seven humans I get to call
me mom? And if I'm capable of doing this, they're superhumans.
I can't even wait to see what they're capable of doing.
And it just restored this faith in humanity that we
are so connected and so capable, and I'm so inspired
to see how they take their life and what they
(12:34):
decide to do with it.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Do you think I know? For me, I felt that
my you know, I was a good parent, I believe,
and I was a good coach. I think you know
I was the same similar I had the zero's and
I was retiring at forty seven, but this was a
different mission. You know. Do you think it's made you
a better parent?
Speaker 5 (12:56):
One thousand percent? I think there's like zero question.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
And the fun thing about climbing mountains later on in
life and being a beginner later on in life is
that my kids are beginners right now, and so when
they're struggling with their math homework, I'm like, yeah, I'm
struggling with this climbing wall, or I'm struggling to eat healthy,
and so are you. So we were doing life in parallel,
which allowed us to relate at a level that sometimes
(13:20):
it's harder.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
To communicate because they don't get to see what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I think that that's a really good point. I didn't
even think about the fact that I had no idea
what it was doing. So that was an example in itself.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Well, we have people that tell us what we're doing,
sometimes so good or for bad. Yeah right, chiming in
but giving their opinion.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Well, they were usually you can't do that, you're gonna
get sued, you're gonna go to jail, you're gonna fail.
You don't know what you're doing. Uh, you rip off
your taking advantage.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
You know, I got jen, What did you do with
those negative voices? Are there any Oh?
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Were there any?
Speaker 6 (13:54):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
It was unbelievable because, like, my most prized position is
being a mom, and so when you tell somebody that
you're a mom and you love your kids and you're
gonna go climb overst or like bs, good moms don't
climb everest. And so for me it was so important
to show that actually, great moms climb ever rest. But
one just rewrite that narrative. So anything that was negative
(14:16):
was just fuel for me.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
But that goes through to the difficulty of achieving law,
the difficulty of learning more. That makes you more valuable
in the face of not only the challenge either of
inventing your life saving device in your garage or climbing
everest the on. The people don't know that those things
(14:40):
make you better.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Right. If you look back and say, you know the
key question, did it make you better mom? Heck yeah,
and your analogy you're parallel to them. Struggling with learning
too was awesome. I didn't think of that, right, But
our example is that it makes us better parents. Right,
(15:03):
So all that negativity was not only you know, concern
or you know if that make it was misguided. You
were better.
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Welcome back to the Man in the Arena. My name
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Life Back, and we're joined by super mom, super person,
super human being Jen Drummond, who's talking to us about
her incredible, incredible feats where she's climbed what do they
call it? Then? The second highest six seven?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, so they actually call it the seven second summits,
which steve the second highest peak on each of the
seven continents.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
And how does it well, I'm obviously in size differs
from the top seven.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Yeah, so basically they're just a little bit shorter.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
But for example, K two is the second highest point
in Asia. K two's eight hundred feet shorter than Everest,
yet way more technically difficult. Twenty five percent of the
people that climb K two die in its pursuit, where
Everest is only four percent, and a lot more people
climb Everest than K two.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
You ever have any close calls?
Speaker 5 (17:06):
I've probably had three close claws.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
On the mountain when anyone's sticking your head that you
really were like, this is it?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You know, Like one of them was the slow burn
in a storm, right, So a lot of them are
these quick jerks that scare you and you're like, oh
my gosh, thank god the rope was there, or this
caught me, or we missed that avalanche because we were
running a few minutes late, and that was God doing
his work. But we were in this storm for six
days and it was pulling at the tent and trying
(17:35):
to rip it, and if the tent ripped, we were
going to be dead. And at one point it got
really really bad where my guide was saying, put all
your gear on, no where everything is. Start writing notes
on your phone to your family so if they find it,
you have left them something to tell them what's going on.
And let's just buckle down for the next fourteen hours.
And that's almost worse, yeah, because you're sitting in it
(17:56):
and you're like, I'm metabolizing it and you don't know.
I prefer like, let me skydive and deal with it
and be done versus let it linger for days.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I've had many of those whoa that was closer. Yes, yes,
they go real quick and then you move on. Did
you read you read into thin air? Right?
Speaker 5 (18:15):
I did?
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah? And you remember where I believe it was hole
where he was stuck and he knew and he was
communicating with the knowledge that it was eventually he was
just going to die. Yeah, And that always stuck with
me in the sense of what would you do if
you knew you were going to go? You know? And
(18:36):
it's interesting that the guide said, you know, send you notes, right, yeah,
make sure those you hear the calls from the planes
on nine to eleven, and you know, you compress that
entire life into a few minutes or you know, an
hour day whole survive for like seventy two hours because
(18:56):
he was just superhuman. But another inchro moment and there's
someone on that right if you had that. And now
once again going back to the hold, you're crazy. You
shouldn't do that. You're a bad mom too. I'm better mom,
and I have so much more appreciation for so many
things that make me more useful.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
No, and you come back from those experiences, and I
know this is going to sound crazy, but you come
back from those experiences and everything is amazing, like everything.
I remember coming back and looking at a weed growing
through the concrete, and I like it was cheering.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
The weed on.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I'm like, I'm so proud of you for like being
out here by yourself and fight with a good fight
and good luck, and like you just like like why
is that rock there?
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Why is that tree there? Like everything is just.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
So beautiful because the alternative is you don't get to
experience it as we know it, you.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Know, I think in the arena is our usefulness as
opposed to I think he should have said that this
is the lesson of that meaning you don't have to
climb everice, you don't have to invent a life saving device.
You have to pursue something. You have to pursue good.
(20:12):
You have to pursue something that tests you and educates you.
And I think the fundamental thing that you brought out,
I'm so glad you came on that helps us be
better and helps us be better parents. Right, you were
cheering for the weed because you know what it's like
to grow through the cement. Yeah, definitely, because you said
(20:35):
dump some whatever on it and kill it.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
So you mentioned moms before doing it for moms and
setting an example. But for people who will never climb
everest as you do, what's the everyday mountain you think
most of your you know, your patriots or your contemporary space.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
She has seven kids.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I know seven, Yeah, you know, I think we all
have mountains, right. It's anything that's hard for us. In
our house, we use what's your everest? Because then I
know what the hardest thing is my kid is dealing
with at that moment, and I know how to treat
that because it might not be an everest to me,
but if he uses a word like this is my
everest right now, I know how to respond and support
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and help and love through that.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
So we all have an everest. It just looks different.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I know mine right now is dealing with the construction
outside my house.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
It's nice, right, I want.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
To like tell them how to do it better, do
it at night instead of drinking, Like I have a
lot of opinions on how this should be done, and
I just have to sit there and be like, you
know what, I'm grateful there's people that are taking care
of this road and it might look different than I
wanted it to, but I'm going to just celebrate what
I'm grateful for in this moment, and we all have
that challenge. We all have to find what can we
be grateful for and whatever moments were dealt.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
But I think it's important that what you said about
the fact that an everest, I use the term did
you hit an iceberg? Meaning was there a fatal flaw?
Did you hit something that is prevent you from moving forward?
Speaker 7 (22:02):
You know?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
And it's an iceberg, I meaning you sunk. There was
no recovery. But I like your term, and I think
it's certainly a benefit if people did that with roses
and thorns at the table. We used to do rosen
thorns every night, right. It was best party day, worst
party day, Right, And we still do it. And I
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think it's a It's a great talking point, like when
Ben Carson I was talking to him and they would
pick a p some they would pick something to talk
about at dinner, right, And I think what your everest
is another cool gift that we can give to people,
particularly with this stupid thing, right, how do we get
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out of that? How do we get back to thinking
what your ever's right? How does this psalm affect you?
How does this lesson? What do you think? And I
think that's a great term. I'm going to use that.
Did you have a.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Rose thorns? Not in that?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Did you ever do that?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
I don't know if we call it roses and throat?
We had high and low. Give me your high, give
me a high low. This is what we called it.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
That's cool.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
The kids have the kids? Did they show like you say?
Their novice is certainly in mountain climbing, but do they
show interest?
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:20):
You know.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I've taken my three oldest to kill them in Jarrow
and they climbed kill them and Jarrow with me and
had great success. My younger ones, I'm waiting un till
the're a little bit older, but I'm definitely going to
take them because it's just to write a passage in
our family.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Now.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
It was their least favorite vacation until a month later
it became their favorite vacation.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
So I'm like, okay, this worked.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
What was uh? Why kill him and Jar?
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Because kill em and Jar is the roof of Africa.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
It's a gorgeous country. The people that climb there with
you are very enthusiastic. They love their jobs. They're grateful.
It takes seven days to climb it, and there's not
any real hazard. So the only risks that I would
have somebody got hurt as if they got altitude sickness.
But because we did the seven day route, that eliminated
that pretty much. So for me, it was giving them
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a chance to be out there, have the experience without
the risk.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
How high is comban, John?
Speaker 5 (24:12):
I think it's nineteen thousand three and forty one feet maybe?
Speaker 1 (24:16):
And where where do you where does the oxygen issue
kick in?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
It can kick in at ten thousand feet for people
or six thousand feet for people sickness.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
But the areas, you know, there's the you know, the
dead zone where you have to go.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Oh, the death zone.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
I think the death zone kicks in at about twenty
five thousand.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Feet okay, yea.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
And how high is ever eversu is twenty nine to
twenty nine, so two nine oh two nine okay.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
These are good. Also, some conversation we're talking about roads
and doors that are a didning table. What altitude you
die at?
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Right?
Speaker 1 (24:52):
The person answering these questions in the same person ridiculously
coolest Well verse, yeah, but that's pretty awesome, it is.
I think the biggest point was that these challenges bring
us to be better parents and better people. Right. And
you mentioned the word gratitude, which I love because that's
such an underlying, not appreciated emotion and thought. Right. I
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remember when I helped kill you in the first boy,
we say, little boy, and staring at the parents and
the grandparents, and for me, from my accident, the gratitude
was they didn't have to go through what I went through,
you know. And it really was, if I use our
today's terminology, I was in all I was in all
of two things, one perfectly quiet and I'm holding this
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little dude, you know, and then looking out at the
parents and the grandparents and knowing how destroyed they would
have been from my own heart. And I guess that's
another moment of awe, you know. But it's all based
on gratitude. I was grateful that they didn't have to
a that.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
I think gratitude can drive a lot of our behavior
and experiences. And with my kids, I'm always like compared
to what, right, Like they're grumpy about something, I'm like
compared to what, because there's a lot of other options
that would be even worse than the one you're dealing
with right now.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah, Well, our I'll give you something to cry about. Yeah,
that was a real quick cut off through your complaining.
I'll give you something to cry about, no problem.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
How long is the training for say, killiman Jarrow? Are
you trained for it as if someone would train for
a marathon.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah, I would say, like I think if you were
coming from the sofa, depending if you had like a
past of like any kind of fitness whatsoever, you could
probably be ready.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
In like ten weeks. If you were more active, you
could probably be ready in six.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
What do you do? Do you climb or do you
do tikes?
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Like it's carrying a weighted backpack.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
So I use my go ruck and I'll walk and
do laps around the neighborhood, or I'll do step ups
on stair I'll run up and down staircases when I
go to the mall instead of parking at a level
that I could use an elevator.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
And you just pick those little spots to put it in.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
I think your longest day on Kilimanjaro hiking is probably
seven hours.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
But it's not like running.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I mean, you're going up altitude, so you're feeling it,
but it's just being able to move your body consistently
for a continuous period of time is how you get
up those mountains.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
What is that pack that you carry and train with?
Speaker 5 (27:27):
Well, it depends on the mountain.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
So if you're on Everest or Kilimandjarro, you can have
lighter packs because they're very supported mountains, so less than
twenty pounds. When I'm on Mount Logan and I'm carrying
all the things that we need, I'm in a forty
pound backpack with probably a sixty pound sled and I'm
one hundred and fifteen pound person.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Well I'd rather carry her.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Yeah, and no animals involved.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Now, like so on Everest still have sometimes YACs involved,
Killiman Jarl. They just have people. And then like on
Mount Logan, you just have yourself. There's no animals out
there that's on that. Yeah, you're on the glacier.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
If you were to inspire a mom to climb something,
what would it be?
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
I think the most important thing that everybody climbs is
the demons inside them.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I know, but and I agree, But our mission in
the arena and sharing a mind challenges is to inspire them.
And if someone looked at it and said, and I
guess I'm looking for the weed grown through the crack
what is something that if you said, hey, look, maybe
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you can't go do this or that, what could you do,
like if you had to pick them out and just say, look,
try it.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Good place to start.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I think kill Monjarl is a great place to start
in America. It's actually really easy to get to Ecuador too,
and Ecuador uses US dollars, so it's a very affordable trip.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Kill Manjarald. The flight can be pretty expensive to get over.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
But climb kill or no matter, I mean, no, no
dirt banks.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
We have to get there. Well, we create motorcycle trips lazy,
but that motory has something to do.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Absolutely, we should definitely motorcycle Africa. That'd be amazing. I'm
in for that adventure.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
I guess we have a new evil.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
We do hard.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
That's she'd jump on that hard of course. Very difficult
to believe that.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
You you identify with the title of Arthur's book Cancers Alive.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah, would you think of that on my book?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Oh my gosh, that book has been inspiration for my
last twelve LinkedIn posts.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
That's awesome, you know what it stems from kind of
the what you said about you know, doing it and
then all the great things that happened because you shrugged
off what the mom is supposed to be and Lauren
so much and built beautiful children because they see their
mother do these things. Getting rid of that word is
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not a normal kind of thought, right, And I still
catch myself and it's sometimes it's touched, but sometimes it's
hard because you want to just say, you know, I
can't make it tonight, and you have me being meticulous
now about it. I have to go, you know, I'd
like to, but I have to do. I have some
other things to do. But the moment of catching yourself
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on that word and going back to being a kid
and my dad insisting on it. Who put a man
on the moon? Definitely helped me. Yeah, And I think
that that was curious how someone who obviously is not
use that word. I'm gonna go climb out. No, you
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can't do that. Oh yeah, what's next?
Speaker 3 (30:53):
You know, right now I'm in the season of just
absorbing all that's happened. It's really easy for me to
go and so for me, I want to show my
kids that we're not always in the season of being
on and it's okay to have a winter. So I'm
being very cautious about what I pick up, because I
want to demonstrate that you can have a pause before
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you pick up.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
I think maybe it's it's a god Wing pause because
I think you have enough experience that you need to share,
and I mean a share in what you did today.
You know that I did this and I did that. Okay,
what'd you learn from it? What'd you feel from it?
As a mother of seven? Having done these things, I
think you have such value to parents men when right,
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I don't.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Think I could father seven.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Hey, it's fun practicing, so just keep that up.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Okay, but don't you think now do you feel that
that direction is important? Now that all that effort and
everything you learn and needs to be shared to get
the person who's maybe not even contemplating Everest, they're contemplating,
you know, getting through homework to have a different outlook
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by sharing your story.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
I love sharing my story. I love speaking on stages.
I love going to masterminds. I'm hosting masterminds, and so
for me, it's that obligation, right, you come back from
the hero's journey, and now you have to share the
journey to help others on theirs. And that's definitely the
phase that I'm in and enjoying, but I'm sure there's
gonna be another challenge that gets me excited them and
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say yes to.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I think so too when I agree, And I struggle
with that all the time. And it was funny with
I was, you know, me and Jack go out and
I have a fire every night before she goes back
to school and sit on the island and I was
contemplating riding around and living out of my van or
becoming president of the United States. Those are the ones
I was waiting, and She's like, you know, only you
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would have those two is the thoughts that you might
do when you grow up.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
It's about possibility, it is.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
But it was funny that I share those thoughts, like
you know, something will come to you. But I think
the hope and I know you will, is to share
those thoughts like you did today, about the the unassuming
gifts that you got from challenging yourself, the better parent,
the gratitude for the weed.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Well, how about the book? When did Breakproof become a reality?
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (33:25):
So that book came out in January of twenty four,
so right, and that was I mean, talk about a
mountain to climb, friends, that's work so but yeah, that
came out, and that's been awesome just walking people through
those different lessons that I learned.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Probably the key one being big mountains take big teams.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
So if you're gonna have you set a big average
like goal, you better have a big team to help
bring it to fruition because otherwise it's going to get
hard fast.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Well seven strategies, all right, so team going.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Through all seven? The boar everybody. They need to buy
the book us.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Spoil the team.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Where can people get the book?
Speaker 5 (34:07):
Yeah, so it's.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Available on Amazon right now, so feel free to buy
it there.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
I have it on my website. You can d m
me too.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
I have some copies at the house that I sign
and send to people. But I think one of the
other concept is believe in things others say can't be
done and just really understand, like, believe in things others
say can't be done.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
And I know you have to you guessed we have
to get called out, but you know what, it's time
for a break, Jen, Can you stick around a little
bit longer?
Speaker 6 (34:40):
Sure?
Speaker 5 (34:40):
Thank you?
Speaker 4 (34:41):
All right, We'll be back with more of Jen Drummond
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Speaker 4 (35:33):
Welcome back to the Woman in the Arena. Tonight's guests
Jen Drummond, and we've been just enthralled with the stories
of her super mom mountaineer and also I wanted to touch
on entrepreneur. Yeah, so yeah, what have we seen you
on Shark Tech?
Speaker 3 (35:52):
I wish I want to be one of the judges.
So let's put that into the atmosphere.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
It's Stillett, you were I may see Mark Cuban this weekend.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
So there you go. You put me in that little lineup.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
No, never know, So what type of businesses have you?
Speaker 5 (36:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:08):
So I went to college to become a doctor because
then my town, that's the only person that made money,
and so I thought that's what I would do because
I like to help people and whatever else, my chemistry
teacher told me that I was not cut out for
such a career because I didn't like the library and
I didn't know one person's name in my classroom. So
then my business law teacher said, well, of course you
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don't belong in there, like get into finance. You have
a personality for people. And so I had started a
career in investment management, and then I got into institutional
investment management, and thank god, because I'm expensive and I
now know how to manage money, or I'd be in
big trouble. And then I kind of hired myself out
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of a job so I could be home with the kids.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Now do you feel, you know, I think that in
our world, you know, I didn't go into air free
because I had a mission, or I went as I
used to drive a truck, and then I did everything
else and I learned that business. I don't think the
drive and determination were equal. It was actually really difficult business.
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But do you feel that your next venture will have
kind of more heart and soul?
Speaker 5 (37:17):
To it, oh, one thousand percent.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
I think your first one is to get to your foundation,
and then what's your foundation is created? Now all of
a sudden you can be like, Okay, how do I
do this impact play? Or how do I leave legacy?
Or where can I have impact that helps others? Because
the financial card's taken care of, so it's less about
how much can you accumulate.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
You asked me this on your show, and I think
this is the and I gave you the answer and
I said, you know legacy, right, legacy that guy went
in his garage and made that and changed the world.
It's not me right right. You have a similar thought
slash potential. Jen Drummond did that. It's there was a
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mom of seven who went out and climbed them mountain.
There was a mom of seven who took on these challenges.
I can do it. Do you feel that way?
Speaker 5 (38:11):
Yes? I feel that way inside and out.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
I feel somebody else would have taken the calling if
I didn't and that, but.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
I was I feel like I like I I was like, okay,
I'm here, I'm in.
Speaker 5 (38:22):
I'm in for the assignment. Like sign me up, I'll
learn the things and do the things and let's make
it happen.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Well, when I was a bank carson and I said this,
when I meet God, there's two questions, Why me? And
why so hard?
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Exactly why did I like bond bonds and watching movies like?
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Where did I want to.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Me?
Speaker 1 (38:43):
And why so hard? But the legacy part is you
know another venture that you're going to go in and
be amazing and is not us. It's the spirit, the lessons,
the helpfulness us to others that come about from what
we did. You know, we don't need a statue in
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the park. We need to hear that conversation someday that
says that guy or that girl, that mom, that guy
did that, not us. It's that it can.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
Be done, that it can be done.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
And I think it's important that the lessons of it
come out right. I think you know today, just hearing
what you know that how it made you a better parent,
like and and made you think differently, is a good
fending off for the fear I can't do that. I'm afraid.
I don't know, I'll lose my job. I'll go bro
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you cat food, all right, got it, don't worry about.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
I haven't heard that's the first.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Time all right through here in the arena. Get s Yeah,
gets it, and we.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
Also haven't heard it because that's that's the customers.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I gave her the other day.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
What was hard, climbing the mountain or writing the book?
Writing the book was harder.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
Writing the book is harder because we get question for
the seven kids are the hardest.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
But the reason why writing a book is hard because
like a mountain, you start at the bottom and you
know like, Okay, eventually, if I just keep climbing up,
I'm going to hit the top. When you're writing a book,
you're paying attention to like what details do you leave
in so someone can follow along? What details do you
take out so it doesn't slow them down so much
they get bored. So you're balancing this cadence of another
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human that you're not. You're trying to explain something to
them that they'll never really probably experience, so how can
they relate to that?
Speaker 5 (40:42):
And then you're trying to work at.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
This pace so that when they take it in they're like, yeah,
I learned something, I'm satisfied.
Speaker 5 (40:48):
I want to read more. So there's just so many
components to a book. On this white page.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Hard I told the story about talking to kid throwing
a rocket the guy it was.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Well, you weren't. So you're saying you weren't worried so
much about the listener.
Speaker 9 (41:05):
Yeah, probably read, but I do appreciate that insight by book.
I wrote another story today, no kidding, Yeah, coming home
on the plane about a rainbow that I saw that
ended that I didn't go see.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
So she's she inspired me.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
Yeah? Is there is there another book?
Speaker 3 (41:23):
There is definitely another book, right because your first one,
you learned so much and you're inefficient and it's horrible
and it's sideways. And then all of a sudden you
start thinking in a like a writer or an author,
and you're like, oh, I have so many more stories
to share, just like art does to like get messages out.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
There's a great there's a great quote from the Odd
Couple that said I hate writing, but love having written. Yes,
and he attributes it this, but it's Oscar. It's Oscar Madison.
He says it about another author. Well, I can't remember,
so if anywhere writer, any odd couple officionados out there,
here's a sports writer. But he was trying to write
a book.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
He was stuck in the mountains.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
It was tough for him, but I always remember that
I hate writing, but love.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yes, did you ever see that?
Speaker 3 (42:12):
No?
Speaker 4 (42:12):
Sorry, it's a good movie.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
We're kind of a writer in finding himself in the mountains,
and I always was intrigued both from into thin Air,
and it's in my book that that's something I suggest
people read. Just the Will. You know, there's some tremendous
will in that book. And Shackleton too.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
Yeah, that one is amazing.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Yeah, to kind of bring this back together. Those are
inspired me. Yep. Perseverance, survival, right, the ultimate perseverance, that refusal,
back weathers, climbing down, he's dead and he pops in
the tent. Hey, what's up? It just.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
We can say that, by the way, cleared clear.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Bitch goes back to our motorcycle trip.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
Yes, but uh so so, I mean, so many great
stories and you say, like, right now it's a period
of time where the family can you know, exhale and
know that Jen is going to be around.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but she's gonna she's.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
I mean, I'm gonna go climb up walk in May
or April of next year.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
But that was not I knew that was coming reminds
me of Brian tells me he's taking a break from
writing books. Our friend Brian killed me. He's writing books.
He's prolific, and he said he was going to take
a break because everyone always asks what's next, and he's
and he just signed a three book deal and he's, uh,
he's already writing on.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Oh crazy. Yeah, Hey, thank you, And I really hope
that you come on as what's.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
That word contributor thank a woman in the arena contributing.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
We could you know when we have a draw and inspiration.
I love this hopping and stuff because you have so
much wisdom to share that it really would be useful
to the people that they get to hear you. So
I'm super grateful for you coming on. Thank you, Thank
you for your candor and and some really great insight.
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It was just amazing.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
You said it best. Yeah that's all. I didn't even
write that, unwritten, unready amazing off the cuff is best.
So Jen, thank you so much for joining us. Jen Drummond.
Everyone get our book you Breakfast, break break Breakfast a
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and you'll get breakfast tomorrow morning. I promise. Thank you
so much, John.
Speaker 5 (44:40):
Thank you.
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that that's the way to Now. Life Back is at
the registered manufacturer in New York. A lot of these
problems and this is one of the most popular ones.
It's made in China. But the real problem it's about
ten to fifteen dollars cheaper. If you put your finger
open this, I'm only able to push it down. Now
(45:52):
I understand money's money, Like this is some of life
and stay. So if you bought this and make sure
you can practice, don't put your plan. If you put
it like this or like this, it won't work and
the loved one's gonna die. I understand, and buy a
cheap a product, but you have to also remember when
you buy a cheaper product, you get.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
A cheaper product in someone's life p station.
Speaker 7 (46:14):
So if you're thinking of buying it, make sure you
understand you're not to leave this sword. And two someone
you love owns this, make sure that make music they
had to wear it go and panic situation.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Not to cover this bit, but the kind of.
Speaker 7 (46:31):
Strictly a PSA obviously also buy a life back. But
I know it's good and I know it works that
I made it last forever. But if you do go
with this, please be careful. Ten bucks and the last station.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
Hey, welcome back to the Man in the Arena tonight.
Of course we say the woman in the Arena because
Jen Drummond has been with us and telling us the
stories her path. It's just really incredible. Also, I mean
there's a lot of common tish. We're not to talk
about mountains with you, Arthur Lee, but we're talking about
(47:05):
a near fatal car accident kind of changing the trajectory.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
But I mean, in you know, in my book, there's
a subtle nature of suicide prevention, and I think that
sharing that the most horrible things don't necessarily mean an end.
And you know, me, I wanted it, I would have,
you know, But I have compassion for my mom and
(47:30):
I'm grateful now that five thousand plus people are alive.
But that's a subtle.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
Underlying message.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Yeah, and you know, but she's going from great stuff, right.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
But going from and I don't know. We didn't talk
to John Drummond about how the darkest times were. But
she's certainly changed. But for you, there's survival and then
there's changing the world. There's a huge difference there.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
I think that for me and my side and that
the there is hope that if you can survive, right
you just put it off, like she said when she
wanted to quit, take another step, that it's amazing what
can happen. Like you know, you can't say, hang in there, buddy,
you know, chin up, you're gonna be okay. That makes
(48:16):
you want to kill yourself, right, But if you can
see it and I don't highlight it, sticking it, it
comes out that it allows people to take one more
step because you don't know, and then people like her
and me, then it made it through and did something.
There's a lesson, right, the painful as it is, there's
(48:38):
a lesson. And at the beginning I was talking about
or on the pain. Right, you don't prances up a
mountains carrying a seven pound rocks sock. Now, she made
it seem relatively painless. But I walked down the block
with that mountain pack on. I'm going to pass out.
So there was a lot of pain to achieve that.
(48:58):
There's a lot of pain in my life to persevere.
Speaker 4 (49:01):
Physical pain, emotional pain.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Yeah, you know, light at the end of the tunnel, book,
potential for all.
Speaker 4 (49:09):
Potential for all. You know where what's all inspiring to me?
Maya Previ, Yes, ma a preevi and light at the
end of the tunnel. The light at the end of
our show is mister thou Did you like that segue?
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Right?
Speaker 6 (49:29):
That was great, great intro there, that was perfect And
uh men the arena, ladies of the arena, life backers
all the way around. How's everyone doing tonight?
Speaker 1 (49:39):
I got to go have a cup of coffee with him?
Last was it last week? I don't even know where my.
Speaker 4 (49:46):
I'm glad that you guys got together. Not so surprised
with the coffee pretty much pretty much all he has.
Speaker 6 (49:54):
But yeah, so uh, but we got some Uh. I'm
gonna go ahead and throw a prediction out there. Sixty
days away from the number three thousand, well, one year
from October twentieth when when I saved my daughter, we
are sixty days away. I'm predicting four thousand, eight hundred
(50:14):
and twenty saves.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Nice. Now, how many was that from when she was
saved to that day?
Speaker 6 (50:22):
One thousand, eight hundred and twenty.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
For the year, we have saved one eight and twenty
in your bold prediction?
Speaker 6 (50:29):
That is my prediction. What's the date, October twentieth.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Okay, let's we gotta make that. That's another you should
have in mind.
Speaker 4 (50:37):
Donna's right, Donna's going to lose mine.
Speaker 6 (50:42):
That's it'll be a good one. But you know, here,
we are three hundred and five days from me saving
my daughter Maya, and we are one thousand, five hundred
and forty eight saves in given it's a grand total. Bobby,
do we have a screen, Let's throw that number out for.
Speaker 4 (50:59):
Those who listening home, we're seeing the freedom like portalized
saved four thousand.
Speaker 6 (51:10):
Yeah, and there's been an additional save folks, wet number
is one off. We are four thousand, five hundred and
forty eight saves.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Well, we haven't saved. While we were not.
Speaker 6 (51:21):
We had to save apparently because that number up.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
He gets it right for Donna. We don't even know.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
That's one of the benefits of being on every week.
He gets right back right straight through from.
Speaker 6 (51:35):
Today's angel, today's highlight.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Wow, this one that got me.
Speaker 6 (51:42):
This, Wow, this is this is a great one. Here
we go. My brother was eating rice and hiccough and
it got stuck. He tried to wash it down with
some diet coke, which made it worse. He ran to
the sink and was spitting up diet coke, trying to breathe,
but couldn't even cough. I told him to lay on
(52:04):
the ground as I grabbed the life Back from the
top of the refrigerator and pumped twice, and then he
started to breathe. He coughed and rolled on his side.
This truly saved my brother's life. I'm so grateful for
your product. I'm so scared to think what could have
happened if I didn't have it. I met Arthur and
(52:25):
his daughter on a life Back commercial set as I
was doing makeup last year. I told him I always
wanted to get one for my two year old son,
but I hadn't yet. He gave me an extra one
that he had with him that day. I am forever
(52:46):
grateful after hearing about how wonderful of a product this
was all and how all he wanted was to save
lives and it everywhere. I always have it on standby
in the kitchen, and today was the day I needed it.
(53:07):
I still can't believe it. Thank you, Arthur. I hope
this message reaches you personally. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Words truly don't explain how grateful I am to your
kindness that day.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
How way me and Jackie from the commercial wow, and
I gave it to her. Obviously they tend to do that,
you do that, but that saved their life. And I
texted Jackie this morning, I said, this starfish is okay, right,
you know that way right from the starfish back when
(53:47):
you can. So when I sent it to this morning
and I sent that, and and you know she was
impacted too, you know we were there and what the
what beautiful words? You know, And I think if you
take it deeper, we never know what our kindness could
do right. And in my book I talk about waving
to the person who was going to commit suicide and
(54:08):
change that that direction. So I just thought it was cool.
Me and Jackie made the commercial and we gave one
in the makeup lady saved it.
Speaker 4 (54:16):
Since you opened up before about you know, a dark
time in your life, was there anyone that you remember
besides Uncle Roger that made that difference for you may
have waved or said something at the right time that was.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
So great to me because you know, I was the guy.
You know, it was very odd. It was a very
almost lonely still is to some extent because I'm lucky.
I never met anyone that had that happen. But it
was very lonely to some extent, and it was all
out of I think fear.
Speaker 6 (54:50):
You know.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
No one wanted to bring it up, wanted to be
gentle to me. It was an interesting time.
Speaker 6 (54:56):
It's funny that you say that because that brings up
two topics right off the bat. Number one is how
many people stop to help people.
Speaker 4 (55:05):
Right you said it in your account, I remember a.
Speaker 6 (55:08):
Lot of cars drive by. Very few people stop the help,
you know, And during my incident with my daughter. I
was fortunate to have two people, two people stop to help.
And again that that act of kindness. How far does
that go with people? You know? You that impacts I'll
never forget those people, right they stopped.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
Yeah, And I think that's a part of life back.
A lot of people get it because they do want
to be able to help others. We had a baseball
game the other day, like three people went run into
their cars. But those are the people.
Speaker 4 (55:40):
Mmm. Yep, absolutely, thanks to you.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
It's beautiful to see.
Speaker 6 (55:47):
Before I get out of here, I got one more
thing for you, life back. Better to have it not
need it than need it and not have it. But
like you say, could be your own, could be a stranger,
could be a family member, who knows. Just get a
life back, you guys. God bless him, good night, Ye.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
Thank you get him Ray.
Speaker 4 (56:03):
He's a good Wow, he's a good egg. And we're
going to see him. We see him every week. Yeah,
and it's a blessing for us. You know what. An
incredible conversation that we had with Jen Drummond, a mom,
a mountaineer, and a living example of what it means
to step boldly into the arena. Her story reminds us
right that the greatest summons aren't just found in the mountains,
(56:23):
but in the challenges we face every day. If Jen's
journey inspired, you share this episode with a friend who
could use a spark of courage, and don't forget to
subscribe so you never miss another story of resilience, grit
and relentless that word grit again and relentless pursuit of
greatness until next time. Keep showing up, keep fighting the
good fight, and remember the arena is where champions are made.
(56:46):
And we'll see you next week. Hey, go fat, that
was in the arena. Yeah, baby, micro take us out.
Speaker 2 (56:54):
It's no joke when you choke soad life back about breath,
they'll be death to get life back and leave, get
life back and gets life life back, life back and
live life back and leave
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