Welcome to Your Unique Heroine’s Journey with Joan Perry

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So today we're welcoming to the show for the first time,

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Miss Joe Perry. We're going to talk about our new book.
But I wanted to open up the show because it's
going to be about heroism and heroes. And I was
recently watching a Joseph Campbell series called The Hero's Journey
on MPR a week ago, and there was a quote
that stuck with me, and I think it's going to
be relevant to today's show, and it says this, we
must be willing to let go of the life we

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planned so as to have the life that is waiting
for us. And that's from Joseph Campbell in The Hero's Journey,
and so I thought that was fitting for today's show.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
So we're going to talk a little bit about Jones' book.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
She is a trailblazing leader, internationally best selling author and
inspiring speaker devoted to helping women transform their toughest moments
into triumph breakthroughs and a little bit just about her journey.
And I think she's a perfect guest for today's show
on Inspired Living is because she's helping and devoted to

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help women with their toughest moments and help them turn
those breakdowns into breakthroughs. Her own journey is a powerful
testament to the strength every woman holds, the strength to rise,
to refine redefined success, and to step fully into your purpose.
Her acclaimed book, The Heroin's Journey, The Art of Becoming

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the Heroine of your Own Life, is more than just
a guide. It's a heart felt roadmap to self discovery, courage,
and empowerment. Described as a quote love letter to the
feminine spirit end quote, the book calls women to reclaim
their inner power and write their own success stories. Joan
has shared the stage with icons like Tony Robbins, t

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har Ecker, and her transformative insights have been featured not
only on NPR which I was just watching, CNN and
in Glamour magazine. Through her speaking and writing, she continues
to spark powerful conversations about resilience, about leadership, and women's
empower empowerment.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
On a global scale.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
If you want to visit our social media pages, we
have all of the links, including the free book that
she's offering a little bit of insight to that. But
you can visit her website at Walkthjourney dot com or
you can get the book at Heroin's Book heroin'sbook dot
com and again you can get all these links on
any of our social media pages. And without further ado,

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Miss Joan Perry, welcome to Inspired Living.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
How are you my friend Mark?

Speaker 4 (06:03):
Thank you so much, and thank you for just welcoming
me to your audience. I really appreciate it. You know,
I have to start here and telling you this is
really fun because I'm always interviewed by women, and now
I have a da point of view on the h
You started it perfectly. We're going to launch right off

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where you started, and this should be a very interesting conversation.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yes, and and I love the message. Like I was
telling you before the show, my wife really resonated with
the message and the book and we had some conversations
on it. But I think it's important to have in
our journey of life to have multiple perspectives, to know,
you know, just not from a woman's point of view,
but from a man's point of view, and have conversations
that talk about that journey of you know, resilience in

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empowerment and transformation. And I know, you know, when I
was researching for today's show, you talk about sometimes you
must go through the difficulties get baffled, unnerved, roughed up, undone,
then older and wiser to start the journey of you where.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
You become the heroine of your own life.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
And I think that's very true because we've all gone
through whatever life throws at us, and we all have
our experiences because we are the some of our experiences.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
But tell the listening.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Audience and my inspire listeners out there all around the
globe about.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
How this book.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Because you've written several books, this isn't your first book.
You've got a few other books out there as well
that we'll get into a little bit later. But for
this show, give us some insight in that diamond, the
diamond that you reveal to share with the world on
the heroin's journey and the art of becoming the heroine
of your own life.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
Actually, Mark, let's start right here because noting Joseph Campbell
was a great place to start. My big message to
women is that we don't have a hero's journey, which
is of course the journey that you take to maturity
as women we have and a heroine's journey, and ours
is a decidedly different journey that leads to a woman's

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joy prosperity and freedom. I'm going to start with a
quick story. Now we can tie it right into what
you were saying, and that's that that lives Gilbert, of course,
the famous author, women's author of Eat, Pray, Love, Big, Big, big,
big writer for women and our thinking. He stood on

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Oprah stage and I was in the audience, and I thought,
what she's I thought what she said was kind of
just below me to the moon. I was so shocked
by what she said. And what she said was that
he asked Joseph Campbell, who you just referred to, if
women have a similar journey to a man, a path

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to maturity, and Joseph Campbell is reported to have said
to her, no, they don't. They stay home and cry.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
No boy, oh boy.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Yeah. Yeah. So I'm making a big distinction here. First
of all, I want to note that I think, and
after ten years of study on this, that Joseph Campbell
was right in one way and wrong in another. You know,
thank you Joseph. What he said is women don't have
a hero's journey, and that's true. What he didn't say

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where he was wrong, as women do have their own journey.
Now at right before my book was said to be published.
I came across the quote and stuck it nucket into
the last page of the book, right before it went
off to be printed. And Joseph Campbell had apparently matured
by that point because the quote, which is a beautiful one.

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He was done in athlon in California speaking about his
subject and he said, you know, truth is, I don't
know if women have a journey. I don't know what
the journey would be. It would take a woman to
tell us what that journey is. So here I am.
I've just, I you know, been thinking about this ever

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since that catapulted me off the Stavenc. I wondered if
I was the only person in the whole stadium that
heard that statement. And you know what I discovered from
my own life was that he helped me reorient my
own life to a heroine's journey that led me to

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the prosperity and freedom and joys that I was looking for.
And just says one more comment here. The difference is
the hero's journey, which, of course Mark you knows so well.
You were taught to go out fight the lions, tigers
and bears and bring back the bakon. You know that
would look like you graduated from college, you went off

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into the workforce. You know, you made some money, and
maybe you brought it back to the college that you
went to, and they were very happy. When I got
out of business school, I looked around and I said,
what is the success path for a woman? And you know,
the only real answer I could come up with is, oh,
look at that guy, he's making money. That must be

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my path. And so what did I do. I set
off on a hero's journey, went to work on Wall Street,
you know, traded very large blocks of bombs, started my
own female brokerage firm. But about midlife, I realized that
I had climbed to the top of the ladder, but
the ladder was in the wrong building. And why do

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I say that? So? Why do I say that so firmly?
Because the heroine's journey, by contrast, is an internal journey.
It's an internal journey where we claim our self worth
as women and our voice. A man's journey is an
external journey where he it's the outside world that he's about,

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you know, living with him in negotia. For a woman,
it's an internal journey. It's her self worth and her
voice that is her path pathful.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
I love that, and you know, it's interesting about this conversation.
This is why I wanted to have you on the show, Joan,
is to offer this perspective, because, to be fair, the
series that I was watching with Joseph Campbell was from
like the nineteen seventies. You could tell by the grainy
footage of the video, you could tell by the clothes
that they're wearing.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
And so, you know, I found.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
It interesting and I'm glad that he said that later
in life because I think it was also you know,
we tend to be a product of our times, including
group think, and I think in the seventies the thought
process would have been.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
A little bit different than it is today.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
You know.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
That's what we call progress, that's what we call you know,
evolution for our consciousness. And I was thinking of something
that Kate, you know, the famous actress Kate Blanchett, had said.
She says, I don't see myself as the heroine in
my own narrative. And what you're saying is it makes
a lot of sense to me because we do go
out men externally to find that. You know, that concept

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of what you're talking about where women tend to go
more internal and I just find that to be very interesting.
And the synchronicity, so you know, I would have referenced
Joseph Campbell, and you know I always talk about coincidences
and synchronicities, and Einstein always referred to this. This is
he always said that coincidences and synchronousities paraphrase, here are gods.

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You start off shoe with this effective and the synchronicity
talking about how the times have changed and women are
stopp being a global scale into their into their power
and who they are. But just more of the the
internal process. Men can probably learn a little bit more
about them.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
From around the world. Get from the book.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Exact correct, Like you can actually get this book for free,
just pay for the Yes.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Yes, you can go to heroinesbook dot com and we
have a free plus shipping offer and just asking you
to help me get it into your hands. This is
a message that I want to just go far. And
why for women because you know, as we are just
talking about you know, the man he deals with the lions,
tigers and bears of the world that he goes into.

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But for us as women, you know and you can
you can relate to this we're debating all the time,
the messages that culture gives us, you know, be skinny,
you know, don't talk too much, you know, and the
messages that would give ourselves that we tell ourselves. So

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the very first job for a woman on the Heroin's
journey is to claim her self worth. And that really
takes into consideration and sort of managing between all these
voices that are coming to us about who we should be,
what we should look like, you know, even the silly
ones like you should have a credit card because a

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woman is you know, cooler with a credit card. Whereas
what we actually get victimized in the process of many
of those messages that come to us, both internally and externally. So,
you know, I hope you will get the book. I'm
speaking to your listeners. I hope you will read it
because it really helped me. This is the journey I took.

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When I looked back and I said, how the heck
did I get myself out of you referred to it, Mark,
I mean, my whole life blew up like you know,
a you know, a yard sale and scattered all over.
It started with a divorce that went on to a
family estate issue, you know, I just didn't think I

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could get myself. My therapist said, there's so many fires
burning around you, like, which one do we deal with first?
And as I looked back on it, and two things
I say about it. One is, you know, because of
that first story I told you about Joseph Campbell, I
was very curious. And the second one is that I

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really knowed what it was that helped me to move forward.
Is it okay if I tell you another story?

Speaker 5 (16:20):
Yes? Please?

Speaker 4 (16:22):
So the second story that really inspired me to write
this book is I was with a group of friends
down in Mexico with a women's retreat, and we were
sitting around a lovely bonfire on the beach when all
of a sudden, the woman that I knew pretty well
came and kind of snuggled next to me around the bonfire.
And I didn't expect to see her that, but I

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could tell immediately when she sat down that her heart
was heavy. So I had a chance to ask her,
and what I learned is that she and her husband
had gotten on a plane in Canada flown down to Mexico.
It was I think they're twenty fourth, twenty fifth something anniversary.

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You know, she was just thinking of this great troop
they were having the Mexico with all, you know, the celebration.
They walked into the hotel. There were rose petals everywhere
in their room, champagne glasses, you know, it was a
big celebration. They walked down the hill and got in
a canoe, and the canoe was going to take them
around the cove because they were going to go to

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a restaurant high on the cove. So they got out
of the canoe they walked up the long hill. When
they got to the top, there was a fence, and
looking over they could see magnificent loose sky above them
and crashing sea on the rocks below them, and it
was just such an onspiring, magical site. And he turned

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to her in that moment and said, I want a divorce.

Speaker 5 (18:08):
Hello, Oh there there we go.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Nope, I couldn't get the button done. Mute, Sorry about that.
Lucy was being a little stuck here say that last part, Joan.
There was a little bit of a cutout.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
So they got to the top of the hill, standing
in front of his fence, looked over beautiful blue sky
above them, he crafting on the rocks below them, and
he turned to her and said I want a divorce.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
Hey, there, typical did my end Joe?

Speaker 4 (19:07):
Did you hear me say that? He said to her
he wanted a divorce? Okay, So he looked at him
just shocked. I mean, this was supposed to have been

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such a beautiful moment of her life, and all of
a sudden, now she was confronted with what looked like
a near death situation. And what I got out of
that story immediately, which combined with the first story I
told you, is that I believe as women that we
reached this point in our lives where we have to

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decide in the moment do I put my wings on
to fly or do I fall those forward and crashed
on the rocks below. You know, when you're s that
cliff and you have to put your wings on to
fly in the moment, you doubt yourself and you suddenly
say to yourself, maybe I need more resources, gills, maybe

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I don't have that end me. But what you learn
is your courage and strength is called out in that moment,
and the heroine she does put her wings on and fly.
Now that doesn't mean that she doesn't need some support
and some help, but part of the heroine's journey is
something that upsets your apple cart, something that comes along

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and just you know, makes you think, oh my god,
where did that come from? You know, why did that
happen to me? You know, and you can decide to
stand on that cliff for a long period of time.
In fact, I'll tell you in my own life, I
stayed there for too long. I you know, cried a lot,
sucked my thumb, you know, was unhappy with what was happening.

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But the truth is, and I know you're going to
not want to believe me when I say this, the
truth is that as I look back on all that now,
and I'm talking you know, a couple of years, five
years out, I look back on it now and I think,
what a gift, What a gift that was. Now, if

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you're in the throes of it, that may seem hard
to believe at this point, but you know what what
the heroine's journey does, and the blessing of the upset
is that it peels you back like an onion. I mean,
first off, your vision of what life is and what
it's supposed to be is dashed in the moment. And

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you know, you can say that that's terrible. However, it
opens you to new possibilities, new beliefs, new ways of
doing things, new resources. What works in the past does
it work now? And so you have to, you know,
really become a creative being that starts to ask yourself

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all kinds of questions. And that's what the heroin's journey does.
The heroine's journey invites you to ask the big questions,
probably in the first part of your life, which is typical.
We construct our lives for security and safety. We had
this illusion that we can just control our lives, you know,

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we can make them go along smoothly. I always laughed
because my father used to stay safe for a rainy day,
and I would say to my father, I am not
having any rainy days. And that was pretty much as
far as I took the conversation. Wanted to think about it,
or you know, I was creative about any possibilities with

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something other than funny, shiny days. So when it came
along in my life that I hit this major, major upset,
it was it had to do with, you know, a
divorce that I didn't expect with you know, it's a
horrible divorce. It was a mean divorced it was. You know,
I had lawyers who made my life difficult. I had

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just about crawled out of that when a big, big
family of state problem hit. But what it did do
is that it stripped me of a life that I
thought was everything in life. And you know what, once
I could go with it, realize the heroin's journey, see

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what my next steps were. It looked to me like
maybe there was something better still to come. And that's
the message I want to send to Mark's listeners to
there is something better to come. You know, God doesn't
make mistakes. There is a plan for your life. There
is more life for you, even though you find yourself

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in really difficult times. Now what's beautiful?

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and welcome back to Inspired Living. Our special guest today
Joan Perry, talking about her new book, The Heroin's Journey,
The Art of becoming the Heroine of your own life. So, Joan,

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my apologies. We had some technical difficulties, but I think
I'm back. Can you hear me?

Speaker 5 (27:33):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (27:34):
I can? Are you good?

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Okay, yeah, yeah, a little bit.

Speaker 9 (27:38):
Sometimes when you work with technology, get those yeah, you know,
those those gremlins in the matrix, if you will. But
you were talking about right before the break there of
your your second story, and you had mentioned, you know,
getting your your a credit card at one point, and
I just we were talking about keeping up with the times.
And you know, if you even can just go back
to the nineteen seventies, women couldn't have a bank account,

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couldn't have a home mortgage, couldn't have a credit card.
So sometimes that progression takes time. Just over one hundred
years ago, women couldn't vote. So we're now into that,
you know, that society where consciousness I think has evolved
and when women I think are I don't think, I know,
are seen differently versus just staying at home and crying
as Joseph Campbell, as you had alluded to, you know,
not having that journey. And I think it's just a

(28:21):
very interesting perspective for this book. So for the listeners
out there, how can how can you also talked about
listening to the voice within it? Right, some of the
worst self sabotaging comes from ourselves and the voices that
we listened to you know about like you said, look
in a certain way, image what you know people think

(28:43):
women should be doing or not doing. So how how
do you get out of that self sabotage inner voice
and how do you embrace that inner heroin to lead
with the confidence that your book talks about. How do
you how do you embrace that? How do you get
out of that that spiral, that mindset.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
If you well, yeah, really good question and a big
part of why I wrote the book because, as I said,
I was in a spiral that I didn't think I'd
ever come back out of. It's funny because you know,
I owned a successful I started the first female investment
banking firm in the country. Like I was a woman
who had you know, balls, so to speak, because I was,

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I was on the hero's journey. But then what I
realized is that balls were not going to get me
out of the difficulty I was in. I needed to
cultivate inner strength and that inner strength because there's nothing
stronger than a woman who has inner strength. You know,
it's not our strength does not come from you know, fighting,

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And if you see statues of men, they all carry
a weapon. But women, when you see statues. They don't
carry a weapon. The woman. The strength of a woman
comes from within. So if I can give you another
visual to help highlight visual visuals, because then I think
we remember. So I tell women to think, think of

(30:07):
your life like a flower cart. You know, those kind
of old, the cool ones that were like wood and patina,
and you know they had the you know, the wood
flats on the side and loaded inside of that flower
cart are beautiful flowers. And these are your skills, your tools,
your talents, whatever. And your intention is to pull that

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cart to market where you're going to monetize your skills,
your tools, and your talents. But you're driving down the
road and you look over your back shoulder and you say,
oh my gosh, there's a wheel back there. That's what's
up with that? And then you think, oh wow. You
look over your other shoulder and you're like that whe'll

(30:51):
just fell off and my butt is dragging on the ground,
you know, And you're trying to get your skill, steels
and talent. So those beautiful flowers to market. So you
get out of the cart, you go to the front
of it. You try to pull it, and you can't pull it.
You try to push it. You can't push it because
your wheels have become loose. Okay, so what are the wheels.

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The wheels are your financial life. You're forcing your life
for physical energy, your self worth, and people in your life.
So having your wheels off the cars look like you
don't live within your means. You know, you've got people

(31:36):
around you who are saying trying to push you down.
They don't lift you up there. They're saying things to
you that that resonate in your brain, that that cause
yourself worth to be depleted. You have. You have a
lack of physical energy because you're not doing the things
that support you. So this is these are the ways

(31:57):
your wheels fall off. To do what you're taught talking about,
which is to go forward with courage and strength and
heroin up and be the person that a woman wants
to be in her life, all four of those wheels
have to get back on the card. That's why I
always get upset when I hear people say to women,
get empowered. That is a message of go fight the hero,

(32:18):
the hero fight. No, First, a woman has to get
the wheels on her car. What does that look like? Okay, financially,
that looks like cut up your credit cards, live within
your means, and create stability, because the first the first
steps on the heroes Heroin's journey are to create your stability.

(32:39):
The second wheel looks like, you know, manage the people
in your life so that the people around you are
loving and kind and generous. You know, when I get
up every day, I love to be with the people
I'm with. That other wheel is your self worth, where
you learn the tools and skills in the book to

(33:00):
teach you to edit what's going on in your brain,
to have a delete key when you hear yourself saying
something your self worth is your biggest treasure and if
you don't hold on to that treasure firmly, the rest
of us of it's not going to work well. So yeah,

(33:20):
you know that's a really big one, and that's where
the journey starts. It starts to have claiming your self
worth and learning the tools that can allow a woman
to be strong and capable inside. So so far, we've
got financial, we've got people, We've got beliefs, which is

(33:41):
your self worth. And the fourth wheel is physical and
that is sourcing your lafe force energy. You know, you
know some of this, but we don't really think of
it as putting it all together in life force energy.
You know, it includes getting in us sleep, eating the
right foods. You know, so that particularly if you're in

(34:02):
the crisis or the challenge stages of the Heroin's journey,
when you're trying to get yourself going, you need that.
We call it home. You need that to get on,
get on and get up because your objective is with
the wheels back on your cart and get yourself moving

(34:22):
so that you get to market. And market for a
woman looks like living in your joy, your prosperity, and
your freedom.

Speaker 9 (34:31):
I love all that. I love that great message. Stability, foundation,
self worth, biggest treasure physical. You know it really if
we apply the spiritual aspect to this conversation, it really
is about knowing yourself. Right. For men it's a little
bit different, and for women it's a little bit different,
but it really comes back to the same narrative of

(34:52):
to truly know thyself is to explore the inner world
of who we are, but also that external world. And
you know, as you were saying that, Joan one of
the one of the women that came to mind when
I started. You know, my spiritual path you know, over
two decades ago, and that curiosity that we talked about
about the many curiosities are out that are out in
this world and who we are. I think of Luis Hey,

(35:12):
who wrote her first book back in nineteen eighty four,
and I believe she was around the age of sixty.
And they always said that, you know, at the times,
we'll go back to the timeframe of nineteen eighty four
and you have a lady that's in her sixties. She
took a lot of agism, a lot of like, oh,
you're too old to start a marketing company, you're too
old to write a book. And you know, when I
came into the spiritual arena, if you will, I actually

(35:35):
started listening to hay House Radio and that was something
that she had founded, and you know, and then her
book of course her self helped books along the way,
really made her you know, who she was, you know,
even years after turning sixty. But for me, that was
a great example of like, you know, ages and number
and you know, we're the only we're the only species
that measures are our life by a number and how

(35:57):
many times you've gone around the sun. But I've always
found a story as well as your story to step out,
because that takes courage, right, especially given the times, whether
it's nineteen eighty four or to or twenty twenty five,
that takes courage. And I think dedication, and again, building
on those foundations that you talked about, edit your you know,
you don't have to believe everything in your mind, edit

(36:17):
your thoughts. Move into that stability, those foundations, that self worth.
And then of course you bring forth a book that
women can you know?

Speaker 2 (36:25):
And men?

Speaker 9 (36:26):
I think men. You know, if I can read it, men,
then you can also read it because I think it
gives a perspective, and I think that's important to our
journey to know thyself is have multiple perspectives.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
And the thing is, let's take that apart a little
bit with these heads. Sure, if she had believed that,
she would have never done all those things. You know,
I had a professor in college. She said to me,
you're a writer. I said, no, no, no, I'm not
a writer. I'm a biology student. In took me years
to realize that I should have zipped my mouth and

(36:58):
listen because he was telling me about gifts. And later,
when I wrote A Girlman's Cash, which is my first book,
I took them a sign copy and said, you were
so right. It just took me a long time to
figure that out. So the trick, like you're talking about
with Louise Hey, is that he got it quickly. You know,

(37:18):
he edited that quickly. She lived in her gifts, she
took on her talent. Because the arc of the heroine's
journey is first to create your stability. That's why I
gave you the example of the cart. The second is
to awaken your authenticity. And from a spiritual point of view, Mark,

(37:40):
you'll love that because you know that we are not
ourselves unless we awaken what's real and true about us.
And you know, and I always say, until you get stable,
you can't awaken your authenticity. You are living in prostitution
because you're going to have to take a job you
don't want to take to you know, but you know,

(38:01):
buy what you need to buy in order whatever. So
first year, if you get stable, you awaken your authenticity.
Once you awaken your authenticity, you can light up your gifts.
And that's where the magic starts to happen because then
you move to the world what is true authentic and
you know and what you're what you're here to do

(38:22):
your mission, your purpose, and that the fourth step or
the fourth arc in the heroine's journey is to make
your contribution. And that is where life is just luscious
because you know you are living your true nature.

Speaker 9 (38:39):
Yes, and again I love that point, Joan, because if
you would have listened to the pundits or the critics
or the experts of their time in nineteen eighty four,
I would have no knowledge and we would not be
talking about her for years later like we're talking about
we say today. So you know, for you inspired listeners
out there, there's always going to be opinions. But to
really know thyself and step into what Joan is talking

(39:00):
about today is knowing thyself but moving with courage and
moving with dedication and bravery to move past those opinions,
because you know, opinions are like elbows and eyebrows, and
almost everybody on the planet has them. So you know,
I both passed into that intuition and that know thyself
and go after what you want to go after.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
And Louise Hay did not use force or Mike. She
didn't go out with a with a weapon. She didn't
go out to destroy and destruct, which you know there's
a there's a place for men and go fight the lions,
tigers and barrels. But the point is, by contrast, she
was a heroine. She came from her own strength, her

(39:39):
own self, knowing her own self war. She lived into
her gifts because she edited her brain and she didn't
let culture or family or the world interfere with that
or herself. And as a result, we see her today
as a true heroine. And that was my first reaction
when Joseph Campbell said home and cry, and I was like,

(40:01):
you know what that mean. We wouldn't have any you know,
Louise Hayes, We wouldn't have any eleanor Roosevelt. We wouldn't
have any Amelia their hearts, you know. But really, and
he also is absolutely unfortunately a part of my mission
is I want to awaken women. Please please, Mark's listeners,
look around you and see who are the heroines in

(40:23):
your own life, because we don't pay enough attention to
that is and there are wise women have come before
us who have a lot to teach us. And those heroines,
you know, history doesn't write about them generally, but we
need to acknowledge them and understand their path in order

(40:44):
to become blossom fully into our best selves as women.

Speaker 9 (40:49):
Yeah, exactly from Joseph Campbell to Luis Hay. While you
were saying that, I was thinking, cause you talked about
earlier how most men's statues have weapons in their hands.
I wonder if if maybe there is Lewis Hay statue
out there. I don't know that, but if there is,
I'm trying to visualize what her statue would look like.
It would definitely not have a weapon, but would have

(41:09):
you know what it?

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Would it be a book?

Speaker 9 (41:11):
Would it be like a headset for you know, radio?
And I'm just curious, like what would that look like
for her statue, because you're right, she didn't. She didn't
come with the aggressive, you know, approach to what she
was trying to do. She just leaved in herself and
people accepted that. And I think that's very very important.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
Nor would Oprah, nor would Eleanor Roosevelt think about Eleanor
Roosevelt's internal stuff. Yeah, yeah, that that isn't We don't
emulate that as women, But when we start to watch out,
because we will, we will have equal footing. And I
still believe in the ying and the yang, you know,

(41:51):
we need them to be strong. How do we need
women to be strong?

Speaker 9 (41:55):
I agree with you one hundred percent. Yep, that's what happens.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Go ahead.

Speaker 9 (42:01):
Well, I was gonna say, how can for our listeners
out there, especially the women of inspired living that are listening,
how can how can women build that unshakable self worth
that you talk about? You know, you talked about self
wor worth being the biggest treasure. How can you build
that foundation? I mean somebody might be listening and say,
oh yeah, easier said than done. I've been working at

(42:21):
this for a long time and nothing's happening. But how
can women build that unshakable self worth to create that
lasting impact that we're talking about today?

Speaker 4 (42:29):
Well, first of all, you know what I'd say, I'd say,
go get the Heroine's Journey book at hero.

Speaker 7 (42:37):
Great.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
It's what I coach on, It's what I speak on.
You know, it is entirely I start with telling women
you have more courage and more strength than you know.
You know, because the culture has dumbed it down for us.
So internally you have talents and resources and capabilities that
are just dying to blossom and and our growth. The

(43:03):
great thing about the heroine's journey is it includes a
roadmap and tells you, step by step what steps you
have to take going forward. In the early part of it,
it teaches you to put your past in perspective because
if you're still feeling victimized or like you know, the
world or people or other people have taken you, it's

(43:23):
pretty hard to stand up like a heroine. So you
have to put your past in perspective, you know, sort
of see it like it's on celluloid, like you know,
it's a movie. They always say, don't talk about your
story until you're no longer bleeding from it. And then
then the next step is to look at the journey
and say, okay, what are my next steps? And the

(43:46):
next steps are going to include what I talk to
you about about the flower carts? You know, how's your
financial life going, how how are the people in your
life affecting you, how's your how's your own You know,
you have to when I have a day that's rocky
or I'm not being my best, I stop and I
think which wheel is not working so well today? Because

(44:11):
that middle part is where you need to take action.
And then the next part of the heroine's journey is
to inspire hope for your future. And when you turn
from victimhood to heroine up and you know, your future
lights up with hope because the truth is women are

(44:33):
meant to blossom as naturally as a rose. There is
an energy that inspires a rose to open to its
full beauty. The rose can't stop it, you know, the
roads can't say to a rose stop that. The same
as super a woman. You know, we are meant to
live into our full beauty. There is a natural you know,

(44:58):
I would say, God give it and energy that wants
you to grow. And the heroine's journey, including the crisis
and the challenge stages of the journey, are all perfectly
designed to have a woman grow to her best self.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Powerful.

Speaker 9 (45:18):
Many diamonds today on today's show, and again that I
know there's a lot going on in our world, but
I think it, you know, given the time too, especially
for the women listeners out there, what a time to
step in and be supported too, you know, because at
some points that we've been talking to this this last hour,
there are certain points in history and times that women
were not supported. Women were viewed differently based on society

(45:41):
and group think and being empowered. What for you, Joan,
what does.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Looking ahead?

Speaker 9 (45:48):
I guess to the next generation, the younger generations that
are listening to maybe this show or getting your book,
what kind of legacy do you hope to leave for
this next generation of heroines?

Speaker 4 (45:59):
I hope to you ate many, many, many, many many
many around the world heroine because a heroine is not
about you know, competing with a man or or taking
on a battle. A heroine is about her own strength,
you know. And I think it's so important that women
the heroin's journey is to claim your self worth and

(46:21):
your voice. And I think it's so important for women
to speak into what's going on in our world now.
You know, we are just a different point of view
and a valid point of view. But you can't have
voice if you don't have self worth. That's why to me,
it starts with that treasure. So you know, whether it's

(46:42):
you know, going through the difficult times that is characteristic
of the heroine's journey in mid life. I want women
to come out stronger, more capable, claiming their self worth,
owning their voice, you know, and not be not waste
time they try to figure it all out on their own.

(47:02):
You're not broken alone, you know, wrong any of that.
When life gets totally whacked out of whatever, you are
just simply on a Harold Journey France, traveling to your
very best self. That's what I want women to know.

Speaker 5 (47:19):
I love that.

Speaker 9 (47:20):
And you know, as I always remind the listeners and
my students, you know, trust the process. The way knows
the way, and when you step into that power, that
ancient power, you know, this isn't it's funny, Joan, because
this isn't anything new. This power that that know thyself,
especially from the divine feminine, has been around for thousands
of years, right, but like you said, they've dumbed it down.

(47:42):
So be be mindful and be careful of the things
that you're following the social media and the things that
you know that may d grade or or or downgrade.
You know, there's a lot of myths out there, and
you know, for you, what would be you know about
resilience and empowerment, because it's going to take empowerment. It's
going to take that resilience. It's going to take that
courage and that bravery. And sometimes you need to wait

(48:04):
sixty years before you publish your first book. You know,
it comes age, you know, brings that wisdom, right. But
I always talk about the diamond within, because diamonds are
only created under extreme dresses and pressures, and we've all
gone through it. It's just now, what do you want
to reveal? Like Louise Hey did and at the age
of sixty, he revealed that diamond of all of her
life experiences that really resonated with the world and very

(48:26):
similar to the book that you have written. But what
are what is the one of the myths that you
want to debunk once and for all about resilience or
empowerment from your book.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
Well, to me, it's that women don't have their own journey.
You know. I took Joseph Campbell on and said, oh, yes,
we do. It's journey. And I'll tell you a funny story.
And that's when I went to work on Wall Street.
I traded the very large blocks of bonds. I started
the first female investment banking firm, and you know, we
dressed like a man in fruits, but were clothing. I mean,

(49:01):
we smashed our boobs down so that maybe they wouldn't
notice that we were actually mad. You know, at that
time I had a haircut that was you know, just
an inflong. And then one day I don't know that
this has happened or I dreamed it, but I dreamt
that I just dove into my closets, threw out all
those brown fuits that had no reflection of my personality

(49:25):
and and just knew that I had to come back
to my feminist And that's what I want. I want
us to be authentic as women and not feel that
there is a success path that we have to ship states.
I love that word, this state I fell into in

(49:45):
order to find success in this world. No women have
their own success path and now it's time believe.

Speaker 9 (49:53):
Yeah, step into that power for sure. And did I
hear you correctly at the beginning show that I am
the first male host. Actually, this conversation with you.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
You are, you are, and I appreciate that. I appreciate
you because you're not saying, oh, Joe, no, no, you know,
there's only one path You're You're not saying that at all.
You're saying, no, that that the divine, the divine is
the creation of the masculine.

Speaker 7 (50:19):
Abbess.

Speaker 5 (50:21):
Mm hmm exactly.

Speaker 9 (50:22):
Well, I'm glad that I can do that. And again
to come on and share with my listeners the perspective
of this book and your journey, you know, stepping into
these environments and you know, wearing the brown suits and
then realizing, you know what, that's not who I am
to know myself. You know what, I'm gonna be more colorful.
I'm going to step into my authentic self and share
my message, knowing that there's always going to be opinions

(50:42):
and in judgment with what we do. And I we
could go all the way back to Plato when he
talked about the only way you're not going to get
judged is not to do anything, not to say anything,
or not to be anything. So fear your listeners out there,
step into that that heroin you know, be the hero
of your own journey, and step into that self worth
and that empowerment and everything that Joan is talking about.

(51:03):
Just for the sake of time, because this show goes,
I could talk to you for another two hours on
this pocket because I've heard it so fascinating. I think
my wife would want to talk to you more. She
was really you know, into the message and really resonated
with what you have written and talked about. You also
have a podcast as well that the listeners can tune
into tell tell me a little bit about your podcast.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
We do. It's called The Heroine's Journey with Jones Perry,
found on all streaming devices. You know, we go further
into depths on these different subjects that are that are
not only so important to women, but that women have
not talked about. You know, they just kind of they

(51:42):
you know, sex got better when we talked about And
that's the purpose of the heroin Ning podcast is for
us to continue to grow our authenticity as well.

Speaker 9 (51:55):
Yeah, I wanted to throw that out there for you,
and I wanted to throw that out there for well
because we're just you know, it's like the iceberg effect, right,
We're only touching just a little bit within an hour
on the show. We're only touching that top part of
the iceberg that you see, but underneath the water there's
a whole bigger part of the iceberg. And I think
for my listeners out there, you know, I think that

(52:15):
if they're very interested in this topic, in this perspective
and this journey, then definitely tune into Jones podcast again,
found wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts, right right
next to Inspired Living. So one question I have for
you as far as you know, you wrote this book

(52:35):
and you've gone through this journey. How can women build
stronger networks in their journey towards that empowerment Besides getting
the book, besides listening to your podcast. What are some
other ways that the community, Because I think community and
society and consciousness plays big roles. They played big impacts,

(52:56):
especially on younger women today that are influenced through social media,
through influencers, if you will, What can they do to
have that stronger support network to stay on the path
to not get afraid or you know, be worried about
what people think or what people say, to keep going

(53:16):
to know thyself and to be that authentic self.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Well, you're kind of crossing two wheels on the cart
when you ask that quoe. You're asking the question that
has to do with the people you surround yourself with
and who you let into your life. And you're asking
the question about your self worth and how you monitor
and manage the messages that are in your own brain.

(53:42):
And you know. So that's why I say, in my view,
the book kind of puts it all together in a
way that that you know, you would hear about this
or that happened, not how it all worked together. And
let me give you an example. When my self worth
got better. Well, let's say when myself worth wasn't good.
But people in my life were all takers. They all

(54:05):
enjoyed being around me when life was, you know, becoming
rosy and happy because I had got ability to do that.
And as soon as it wasn't, they all left, like
like rat string off the ships. And what I learned
was to develop much better skills about choosing the people
in my life. And I give some real fun tools

(54:27):
that One of them is called the sticker system in
the book that helped me Remember who am I dealing
with here? You know, what have I actually seen this
person do? And to ask that question, do I want
this person in my life? Because and sometimes you want
them in your life, but you also have to speak
up authentically and say, you know, I really like you

(54:48):
in my life. But there are certain things that don't
play well in what you know how we're interacting, and
I need you to look at that and make some improvements.
So there are men skills around how we build and
we call it in the book the Circle of Love.
I know in my own heart now that the people

(55:11):
around me are going to lift me up, champion me on,
encourage me. They're there for me, and if times get rough,
they're still there for me. So you know, we're talking
about the four wheels of the card here, and there
are certain skills you have to achievese to be a

(55:31):
heroine each of those four areas of life, which you know,
this is why I had to write the book.

Speaker 9 (55:38):
Yeah, well let's leave it there. I'd love to have
you come back and share more with us. Jonah, It's
been a fun episode. And again for the listeners, we
want to app we want to apply what we're talking about.
So this is a good way to get the book,
which Joan is offering for free. You can go to
her websites Walkthjourney dot com or Heroin's Book Heroininsbook dot com. Again,

(55:59):
all the information is on our social media pages if
you want to get the step by step and apply
that to your own journey as well. So again, my friend,
thank you for coming on sharing the perspective writing this book.
Check out Jones podcast if you want to go deeper
into that iceberg that we're just barely touching on today.
And I appreciate you and what you do and the
work you're doing, and that positive vibration that you're putting

(56:22):
out into our world that so much needs it. And
keep doing, keep doing what you're.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Doing, Joan, Thank you, Mark, thanks for your supportive love
of your listeners.

Speaker 9 (56:31):
My pleasure. All right, listeners, what a great show. Thanks
Joan for coming on until our next sole adventure together.
Be kind, be caring, be compassionate. Most importantly, wherever you're
at in this world, there to dream, there to explore,
There to live and discover the diamond within. We'll see
you next time here on Inspired Living

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