Episode 01 - One Fateful Day - Keepers of the Clow

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Keepers of the Cloud is proudly presentedby the Vintage Anime Video Network. Visit
us at www dot Vintage Anima Videodot com. You're listening to the first
episode of Keepers of the Cloud,presented by myself, Ceci Yamato and Alex
Summers of Moonstar, a Sailor moonpodcast. If you're listening to this as

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a podcast, there is a YouTubeversion with visual elements. Links are in
the description. Be sure to stickaround until after the credits for Chris's corner
and thank you for listening. Somy name is Alex and I go by

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Alex Summers on Instagram Alex Summers sfeif you want to follow me there.
And I actually host Moonstar, asailorman podcast with Chris Mayk, who guys
will get to hear from at theend of this week week's episode. And
I reached out to you, Matthew, right, it's what we're going.
We're going by Matthew. Mats preferred, okay, Matt. So I reached

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out to matt because I started lookingaround for other people around my age who
were interested in card captors or CardcaptorSakura because it has a similar importance to
me that Sailor Moon does, andI found you and you were just so
into it right away, and youactually kind of helped me out when I

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was looking for the VHS because there'sa little confusion regarding, you know,
the way they released that and everything, and we connected in that way,
and I was like, this guyseems like he really knows his stuff,
and that's what made me ask youabout potentially doing a show like this.
So my voice on this show,for those of you who are coming over
from Moonstar, he's sort of takingover my role in the sense that he

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is our in house card Captors cardCaptors current expert, and I'm the voice
of I was an avid fan ofCar Captors as a kid, but I
absolutely do not know everything about itby any means. And that's why you're
here. You're here to teach meeverything and through that, teach the audience.
So yeah, that's that's who Iam. That's what my perspective is

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for the show. What about you? Yeah, sure, I'm Matt.
I'm the self proclaimed Car Captors expertand up until very recently, one of
two people I knew who actually likescar Captors Online. You'll find me a
Sciamato on YouTube and Twitter, andI'm also responsible for the car Captor Museum
on Tumblr and Instagram. There's thoseare both kind of dead right now,

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but I'm working to revive them.I guess my biggest claim to fame and
the best credential for being on theshow is that I'm currently the world record
holder for the largest collection of Carcaptorsoccer related merchandise. Actually did It's like,
I'm sorry, I haven't organized mythoughts here, so like I just

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figure, why not just open withthat? Well, No, that's a
great thing to open with because thatgives you a lot of credibility right at
the gate. So I love that. I think that's incredible. Yeah,
great, So I guess I'll startwith that as Yes, what gives me
some credentials as to why I wouldbe talking about card Captors I have.

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I have a similar backstory with theseries. I watched it when I was
a kid, and when I wasyounger, I watched Sailor Moon, the
series that you do your podcast for, and I loved this show, but
I was definitely alone in that fandomfor a long time. It wasn't until
the series got a revival in twentysixteen that I really started getting to meet

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other people who liked the original seriesthe sub but I'm still very much alone
as someone who actually appreciated the CardCaptor's dub for what it was. So
it was great to meet someone whohad an interest that I would that I
could talk about. And when youapproached me about doing this, this was

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like, this is the perfect platformfor me to finally get out twenty years
of desiring to talk about this seriesthat no one in the fandom likes.
I can relate to that whole thingwith it too, where it's even growing
up. Back then, there wassomething about the way Card Captors dropped where
I feel like it fell through thecracks for a lot of people, and

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it was if you were a fanof it. I knew one other person
who liked it, and that's becausethey were also my friend who liked Sailor
Moons, so we just watched everythingtogether, you know. But yeah,
finding people to discuss it with,specifically the original dub is really hard.
Let's just so people know where ourframe of reference is coming from. Time
wise, I'm thirty three years oldand I watched Car Captor Live on TV.

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For me it was on Kids WBon like Saturday morning cartoons and stuff,
and then it was sort of thehaphazard VHS release and that was my
way of consuming it. What aboutfor you so similar age ranch, I'm
thirty five, I also watched iton Kids WB I was. I watched
it very religiously. It was kindof I was at that age where I

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was discovering anime so or understanding whatanime actually was, because like I'd watched
Sailor Moon, I'd watched The Oceansdub of Dragon Ball Z. I understood
that these things were different than theother cartoons on TV, but I didn't
understand like the significance. So Cardcaptorswas one of the first series I understood,

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Oh, this is a show fromJapan that they have put English on,
so that that that's one of thegood things for me after that Cardcaptors,
though, I actually never really gotto see the show again until a
few years ago during the pandemic,where I had a lot of time on

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my hands, I finally sat downand started digging to find all of the
series, or as much of itas I could find. And it turns
out that I was able to notonly find the episodes that aired in America,
I found the rest of the series. Are you talking about the retab
No, I am not. Well, I we can talk about the Animax

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dub if you would like, butno, I'm talking that I did manage
to actually find that Cardcaptors was entirelydubbed by Nolvana. It's just that we
didn't get about half of the seriesin North America, but overseas territories did,
which was a pleasant surprise. Unfortunately, that had its own challenge in

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trying to find those episodes, butit did find them. So for those
who don't know, because we kindof we're going to have a probably a
longer intro today, but we shouldset up some facts about the show just
right up top. What is itthat makes card Captors or card Captors Secura
so complicated to follow in English?Like what is the issue? What happened?

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Oh? So, so from likea production standpoint, No, I
mean from a released standpoint, solike how many different versions do we have?
And the order issue? And youknow what I mean, like all
of all of that. Okay,so uh so the interest. So,
first off, card Captors was licensedover here. It was produced by no

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Vana, but then it was licenseddown here by kids WB to be aired.
They took what appears to be athirty five episode deal, and it's
so since the original series of seventyepisodes, that obviously meant that a lot
had to be cut out. Sothe North American release of Card Captors got

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thirty five of the original seventy episodes, even though all seventy were dubbed.
That's the dub card Captors. Overseasin the Powell regions like Europe and Australia,
it appears that they got the entireseries at the very at the very
least it was released on home videobecause that's where I found it. So

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those are both the Card Captors dubbeddone by Nelvana. Now the other the
other thing that you mentioned is thatover here in North America several episodes were
played out of order, and theydid that because they wanted to make the
show more gender neutral, or atleast attempt to. By introducing the secondary

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card captor, Shawn, into thestory immediately, even though he doesn't come
into the story till episode seven,they played his episode first so that he
is there from the start. Oh, you're right, actually, now that
you say that I didn't clock thatwhen I was taking my notes for today's
episode. But he's not there inthe version that we watched today, and
I'm used to him being there becauseI always watched the other one. Right,

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yeah, no, I'm like,yeah, okay, exactly. So
what we're doing, we're gonna watchthe We're going to watch the entire Nelvana
dub, which is something that probablymost people listening won't be won't have ever
gotten to see, because again,we only got thirty five episodes over here
in North America. And the movie, right, the first one we got,

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the first movie that was done,I believe it was done by Nlvana.
It was the same cast. Thesecond movie was dubbed by Funimation after
Car Captors was done, so itwas a completely different voicecast. So I've
generally not counted the second movie dubas as part of the watching history,

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right, right, So we havethat, and you were saying, I
think it's that explains why they airedin the order that they did, because
I never was able to figure outwhat the point of that was. But
that doesn't make sense because a lotof shows back then it was like is
it a boy thing or a girlthing? And that kind of cut off

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fifty percent of the market, whichis what I think they were starting to
realize at that time because they sortedwith Sailor Moon. They tried to I
remember in certain advertisements they would belike, the girls are going to love
blah, but the boys are goingto love the NonStop action, you know,
And they're trying to push this narrativethat like, hey, we know
this looks girly, but boys canlike it too. It's a very specific

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thing of the nineties, I feellike, right, yeah, it was.
It was pure marketing, which wasalways it was always undercut by the
fact that, yes, the theadvertising for the show tried to make it
more gender neutral, and even andwe'll talk about it as those episodes happen,
but even the dialogue tries to makeShower on more of an equal to

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Soccer than he ever really is inthe story. But the gender neutral thing
was very undercut by the fact thatall of the car Captors toys were always
deep in the Girl's toy aisle,like you had to walk through the ocean
of Barbie to get to any ofthe car Captors and toys are us.
The only time I ever saw themwas actually at Blockbuster. Weirdly because like

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probably because of that, because myparents never let me go in the girl's
toy stuff, like, so whenI saw it at Blockbuster, it's kind
of like, well, it's justout, you know, there isn't really
girls section there. But even lookingback on it, I remember, for
I remember there being like a yellowset of the cards that didn't seem particularly

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gender anything to me, you knowwhat I mean. So I guess they
kind of did put some effort intothe packaging at least to make it sort
of yeah, because I actually ownone, Like the the Cloudbook toy itself
is fairly generic on its own,like, but they still put it right
next to all the dolls, andyou know that was the Card Captors didn't

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get a lot of the toys,uh that like are available in Japan that
I have in my collection, Like, the Card Captors toy line was pretty
minimal. I think I have basicallyeverything that was ever made for Card Captors.
I think I'm able to fit inone fifty five gallon tote. How
many items do you think it istotal? If you had to estimate individual

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Card Captors items, I've probably gotless than fifty so could you complete that's
that's like a completable collection though foryou know what I mean, Oh,
it's totally a completable collection. Thething that I've found in six ish years
of collecting is that I don't knowwhat I don't know exists. Like every

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every time I go online and Ilook through I go through like Yahoo auctions
and such. There's just new stuffall the time, like just oscure,
like to say to say, howcrazy it gets. There are shampoo bottles
and I'm still trying to track downthat's. I never even would have thought

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they would have bothered with the shampoo. There's so much branding that we've never
got over here. Oh a Japaneseone, Yeah, I would believe that.
That's I would have been shocked ifan American company did that. I
think we did talk about doing.Because you have so many items though,
and there is a lot. Eachweek, you're going to choose one item
to kind of feature and do alittle segment about, right, Yeah,

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you're going to talk about it,and then whatever whatever the item is,
we'll share it as part of theshow's thing. So wherever you're following the
show, probably on Facebook, Instagram, whatever, we'll post photos there.
Right, yeah, that that soundsgood. I think I've already picked picked
the right item. I'll just I'lljust do the club book this week.
That works, that's perfect. Ihave a bunch of notes here. The

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first thing I wanted to know isthe Japanese episode title versus the Nalbana episode
title. Right, yeah, Ohwow, I'm bad I should know the
the Japanese title offhand. It's likethe it's it's like the Mysterious Book.
Right, I don't know. Iactually I have to Oh no, neither
of us now, but I knowit's One Fateful Day in the Car Captors

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one. H it is it isSakura and the Mysterious Magic Book. Okay,
I was, I was like,right, I mean I had,
I had most of the nouns inthere. I like that title for the
Japanese one. Sometimes in Sailor Moon, I've noticed the titles can be very
spoilery and direct, like there.We had one that I looked at recently

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and it was literally like this characterdies and like that's just the name of
the episode. And I was like, oh wow, okay, so I'm
glad it's not quite like that directhere. And then also it says this
one. According to this Wikipedia,the episode we're covering today was originally episode

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number twenty one in the US rollout, the one that you were talking
about where it goes out of order. So that's what an odd jump,
so and that one's so that there'san interesting little extra bit to that,
which is that so in the episodeas we watched it, we watched the
we watched it as One Faithful Day, and that's the that's the episode that

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aired basically oversees over here in NorthAmerica. They actually bookend that episode with
clips from a unaired Carcacter salcra episodewhich I believe is episode forty two where
she captures the sand card. Sothey bookend it by showing her capturing the

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sand car and then they do thefreeze frame sort of thing, and it's
like, yep, that's me.I bet you're wondering how a ten year
old girl ends up over a seaof sand. Well, let me tell
you a story. You're probably wonderinghow I got into this mess. I
mean, how does an eleven yearold girl end up flying over a whirlpool
of sand. It's kind of along story, and that is why One

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Faithful Day has that narration overlay atthe beginning and end of the episode because
it's in the original Nolvana broadcast ofit, it's being bookended by a by
a different episode entirely. I didalways find it a little strange as a
kid the first episode because they revealedso much right away, and but at

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the same time, looking back,like it is kind of a powerful storytelling
device to give kind of a bigpicture and then re rewind that is like
a thing that they do a lotin movies, So I kind of get
what they were going for with it. I just don't think it necessarily works.
It didn't work. I agree,it doesn't necessarily work because they basically,

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I mean, they took episode sevenand made it episode one. But
funny enough, it does. Itdoes work a little bit like how the
manga for Cardcapter Socra begins because CarcapterSokra the manga actually also begins with Socra
having already captured a few cards andthe and part way through that chapter it

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flashes back to her opening the bookand meeting Karo for the first time.
So it's a weird parallel actually thatthe Carcaptor's dub almost did a thing that
was more like the original manga thanthe anime. Did I kind of like
that actually, And and to theircredit, I didn't know that it was

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out of order until someone told me. I knew that it felt a little
funny, like I could tell thatthere was some editing to it. So
it's like it wasn't overly obvious.I don't think some editing. He says,
yeah, well, oh, youknow what I mean. So oh.
Also, the first thing I noticedabout this episode was this version of

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the dub that we're watching. Itis the Nalvana, but it uses an
English version of the original Japanese introsong, which is not what I'm used
to. I'm used to like thecard Captors like dub song that they had
written for it. Yes, thatwas known on TV. That was a
pleasant surprise when I was going aroundfinding all these episodes. When I discovered

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the Powell region releases, I discovered, as you did that in the Powell
regions, they took the original catchYou Catch Me song and they wrote their
own lyrics to it, so similarto how the Deek dub of Sailor Moon
they used by Densetsu, but theywrote their own lyrics like the same deal
in the Pale regions, you gotcatch You Catch Me, but they wrote

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their own lyrics over that music,so they have an English version of catch
You Catch Me, even though it'snot it's not translated. It's their own
thing. Yeah, unlike over herein North America where we got the Card
Captors song. I have no ideawho wrote it. I'm assuming it was
done in house. But I wouldlove to talk about the music in the
series because I think the one thingCardcaptors does really well is have an actually

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really good soundtrack. But I knownothing about music in general and have no
way to find out, Like,well, you're in luck because I'm a
music teacher. So oh that's great. I wrote down a bunch of stuff
about the music actually, and thething about the original the Card Captors song
that was written for it that Ireally responded to. First of all,

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I don't think anyone will debate thelyrics get repetitive. Oh that's something they
could have done better. But musically, the actual score of the instruments underneath
the vocals is so strong to me. The thing I respond to in it.
They have a lot of strings,which I always like, so string
instruments like violin, violcello and stringbass or upright bass. And then also

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they have this it's like it's ait's a thing that's very specific to the
nineties that I heard a lot inlike Britney Spears and boy band music too.
But when they hit a drumbeat,there's some added sound effects over it.
Do you know what I'm talking about? That's really but I probably would
if I had it, Like,if you listen to it, you'll hear
it. There's like a special kindof crash that is not actually a drum.

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It's something added from something else.And I actually really respond well to
that too. I love when theyuse sound effects or things to create sound
that is not an instrument in music. One of my favorite songs, they
do a lot of it by hittingbottles actually, which is kind of cool
glass bottles. But yeah, soCar Captors specifically, the music and like

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the background music too, is allreally really well done, so we can
dig into that. Oh absolutely,yeah, Like that was that was a
thing when I was rewatching the series. I started rewatching the series last year,
a year or two ago, likewhen when I finally had all these
I started watching them. That wasthat was one of the things that I
picked up on that I did notremember the soundtrack, just the backing tracks

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being as good as they were,which is like the original the sub versions
of the music, they're all iconic. I have all those soundtracks. But
yeah, I also love the latenineties pop esthetic of the music that is

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in this. I think it verymuch fits the if it's the feel of
the show, surprisingly will it reallydoes. And I'm wondering if we know
if there was ever an official soundtrackreleased for those tracks, like without it
being having the show's audio over it. Do you know what I mean?

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Right? So I do own anofficial Card Captors soundtrack, but I do
not. But I don't believe thatCD has these backing tracks. I believe
it only has the music that hadlyrics. It's, you know how like
Early in the Night. Well,I guess throughout the nineties early two thousands,
when you bought a CD for amovie, it was a bunch of

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licensed music that was licensed for themovie, and that's what you bought the
same deal. I think the Ithink the CD I have is mostly just
the licensed songs that were put onthe show, not any of this actual
backing music, which is unfortunate,because yeah, I would love to have
it. We're going to have todo some digging and see what comes out

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about from that, and then alsowe can put some feelers out. I
know there's a way to pull vocalsout from audio. I am not that
good at it, and so I'mnot going to attempt that just yet,
but some people are. So ifthat's something anyone wants to do, where
you go in and you kind ofextract some of these background songs from the

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nalvon and dub and then clean themup and post them online. Someone can
do that and link us and thatwould be awesome. That would be great.
I would probably. I've tried toreach out to the studios a little
bit to see like if I canfind stuff, but people aren't willing to
talk to me about card captors,whether it's fans or professionals. Really,
I wonder why the professionals are soweird about it. It's just I'm pretty

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used to getting ghosted by studios.The closest I ever got to a response
was actually when I talked to Australia, because they are the license holders the
Madman Entertainment over in Australia are thelicense holders for clear Card. And also
they were the people who put outthe VHS copies of car Captors, so
I was emailing them about is itpossible that I can like get those and

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there they've sent me the effectively aform letter that said, it's like,
we do own the license. Wehave no plans to release the Novana carcat
roostub at this time, right,that's just the standard. Like I would,
I was willing to pay to have, like just just send me,
like print a set for me.I will pay for it. I hope

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that maybe through doing this show wecan generate enough rumbling to make something like
that happen, or to get afan who has the talents to put something
together, because that's what we hadfor the Sailor Moon once for a really
long time and then somebody somehow foundlike the HQ tracks for all of it
and shared it. Yeah. SoI'm so lucky in the sense that I

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have access to that for my othershow. But we'll make do with what
we can for you know, forthis, Like I bet the first thing
to do would just be to figureout who did the music for the show,
Like that the easiest thing, butunfortunately most of the rips that I
have so far, and you've probablyseen the quality on some tracks is not
necessarily the best, like the videoquality. So like reading the credits doesn't

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necessarily help me figure out, youknow, who did true these things.
I might pop some of my vhsin and see if I can find it.
But I know Bob Summers did theSailor Moon ones, and I wouldn't
I don't think he's listed as doingthese, but I wouldn't be shocked if
he did, because they do sortof have some similar vibes to him,

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not entirely, but but and thestudio who did Sailor Moon was also Canadian,
you know what I mean. Soit would have been the same time,
in the same world. I feellike it might have been the same
talent pool for all I know.Yeah. Yeah, So after we get
in this episode One Fateful Day orSecura and the Mysterious Magic Book, we

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have our cool English intro that isdifferent here, and the first scene in
this one is sec asleep having adream. Can you describe what's going on
in her dream? Of course Ican. So this is a dream sequence
that she actually has several times throughoutthe series. It's it's her looking over

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the Tokyo Tower and it's a premonitiondream of her doing the final judgment against
the character Ua, who won't beintroduced for forty three episodes and the When
I was actually prepping for this,I was playing both episodes. I was
playing the sub and the dub nextto each other, just to understand,

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like get a feel for how theepisodes were cut. So like that at
least that part uncut. It's like, it gets pretty chaotic if I wanted
to dig in the weeds on thatreally like the beginning of it. Oh
yeah, this this episode, likeI said, was book ended into another
episode in its original airing, soI'm pretty sure there's more cuts to this

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episode just for time's sake than anythingelse. I think they had to cut
an additionally two minutes out of this. Oh I guess that makes sense though
for what they were trying to do. So go ahead and tell us with
this dream here. I want toknow first, well, are we focusing
on the difference here first? Orwhat is are we recapping this episode?

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You know what I mean? Youknow there's there's two different ways to go
with it. Really, yeah,I liked it. I think it's good
to focus or it's good to includethe differences. I was surprised because I
have a note here. It's like, uh, Usually, usually with American

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cartoons they often add dialogue where ascene was normally silent. They actually did
like the opposite here where they leftthis scene. They left scene mostly silent
in the dub, whereas in thesub she actually has some dialogue during the
dream. Oh. I actually likethat choice though, because it makes it
a really mysterious intro with it nothaving a lot of talking, you know

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what I mean, and you're justkind of like, wait, what's going
on and you're trying to figure itout yourself. I enjoyed that. Yeah,
don't worry though they do do theAmerican thing of adding too much dialogue
to other scenes that are supposed toit. But I was actually relatively surprised
throughout this episode that there was agood balance. It's way better than say

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a Sabon production, where every singlesecond is filled with dialogue. That like
Nelvana knew how to actually write dialogueand make a show and create atmosphere.
So Saband Digimon, right, Yeah, they did Digimon. They're the you
can still see it in Power Rangerswhere they're just constantly talking right right and

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after we see her wake up,and can you describe her brother and their
relationship because we get to see thisfor the first time. Confrontational would be
the would be the way to describeit. And it's a shame that the
dub actually cuts out some of thatconfrontation that you still get the key points

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of it that he likes to teaseher and she does not appreciate it.
They do, unfortunately, cut outthe well known scene of him holding a
cup on her head to hold herback from trying to hit him. The
Unfortunately, the Carcaptor's dub cuts that, which is a shame. But it

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seems like the Carcaptor's dub, despitewanting to give Socra more edge in the
dub than she has in the sub, they oftentimes cut out like the acts
the violence that she commits against herbrother. Keepers of the Cloud will be
right back, and now we returnedthe Keepers of the Cloud because like in

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a later scene also she kicks himwith her inline skates that's cut out of
the Carcadra's dub two. So I'mnot surprised by that because what I've learned
from covering the other show, SailorMoon, especially when they were with Deek.
It was so incredibly strict at thetime what was allowed to be shown
on TV that some of the voiceactors have said, even if a kid

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in the background just didn't have ahelmet on riding a bike, they would
cut the whole scene over it.And they're like they had to change the
color of certain things. They wouldreplace certain violent images with just like white
flashes and stuff like that. Didn'thave that kind of problem generally speaking,

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because it's a fairly non violent show. Well, that's what I'm thinking is
that was probably one of those instances, or probably some of the only times
they even had that, You're right, which I mean, it's it was
so specific. There's a scene whereSerena and Sailor Moon jumps off a balcony
and uses an umbrella to like slowher fall and land, and they cut

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that out because they didn't want kidsto see that and think that that would
work. Yep. So they wereprobably like, oh, we can't show
her hitting her brother, it'll encouragelike sibling violence or something. Yeah.
I think that there's probably a lottoo that, like all of the confrontation
between them is purely verbal that younever get to see, which granted,

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like there, that's mostly what theirconfrontations are anyway, It's mostly just trading
barbs. It's the only time inthe sub that Soccer really drops not drops
her nice girl, because she isa nice girl. It's just that,
like Toya is the only one whocan usually get her too, can get

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that edge out of her, whereasin Card Captors, sokar Avalon, she
is. I We'll get to seeit as we go through this series.
But I've always liked this. I'vealways had this tagline for Card Captors that
everyone is a jerk in Card Captorscompared to their Japanese counterparts. They wanted

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they wanted to they wanted to toughenup this show a little bit. So
everyone's got bite that they did nothave before there exception. Yeah, now
that you say that her character isvery saucy, you're right, she does
kind of. They all have alittle more bite. Maybe not Madison.
I might notice that later. Idon't know. She might be the nicest

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one, but but they give tocomment on the on the voice actor Maggie
Blue O'Hea, who voices Madison givesher, well, she gives her Maggie
blue Ohra's voice, because she onlyhas one voice as far as I know.
But it's this this California valley girlvoice, which I my understanding is

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people don't necessarily like it because reallyin Japanese, Tonoyo has a very formal,
very upper class way of speaking,whereas over in over in Carcaptors,
Madison speaks like a rich Beverly Hillsgirl. But to be honest, I

(33:44):
think they both work. I loveMadison's voice like the because the character still
comes through no matter which voice youhave. Oh yeah, I prefer I
like that voice for Madison and forme because I grew up in the South
and so the way she speaks andenunciates was so specific, and that is

(34:07):
something that I've always noticed as peoplesay words very perfectly from that area,
and that is something that was uniqueabout her voice, and it's really subtle,
but I always really enjoyed that abouther, and it always made her
stand out to me separately from Sakuraand the other female characters because it was
like a unique delivery. I guessit's just specific to the voice actress.

(34:30):
Really, there's probably that yeah,yeah, Now I love Madison's voice.
I don't get I mean, peoplecan have their opinions, you know,
but it again, I think theI think the issue with Car Captors in
general is how much of Car Captorswas changed. Is what people is what
people didn't like, because yeah,I like you, You've you mentioned this

(34:52):
way earlier than I wanted to comeback to. And it's the fact that,
like, if you watch Car Captorsin a vacuum, I did the
show. I feel works. Ithink the show is actually very well put
together, all things considered, ifyou know nothing about the original version Cardchapter
SOCRA, the show is very watchable. It's it's a good product. The

(35:16):
problem with the fan base comes whenyou compare Card Captors to Card Captor SOCRA,
and then when you start counting upall the things that were excised from
the series that people tend to like, all the other changes that are fine,
get that same uh, get thatsame distaste because now it's just like,

(35:42):
well it's different, therefore bad man. Yeah, that's that's that's how
I want that. Like that wouldbe a great goal, you know,
for this for this series, wouldbe to help people maybe try to view
Card Captors as a thing, asjust its own thing, as its own
version of card Captor soccra. Yeah, and don't get me wrong, there

(36:07):
are things like I can't I can'tput Cardcaptor Soccer away anymore like that there
will all the part of what I'mgoing to be doing throughout this whole series
is doing comparisons, as you know, to the episodes. But I do

(36:29):
want to try and do my bestto like judge Carcaptors as a thing.
Well, let me and let's let'sput that into context if people get our
angle. The reason we are bringingup the differences is because this show is
meant to give you information as muchas we can and about card Captors,
and part of the information is thatthings were changed. However, I think

(36:51):
what they'll pick up on as wego forward is we we approached this with
the attitude of what I described prettymuch. And so while we're talking about
those changes, we're not saying andthis is why you should hate the show.
We're just saying, this is whathappened. Yeah, Like it is
just to cut and dry fact.And so the fact like us letting you

(37:12):
know what was changed, it isnot us telling you that that means you
shouldn't like what they changed. It'sjust so you have the information, right,
I will do my best to nothave my personal opinions on various changes.
No, you should, but therewill definitely be Like I, there

(37:32):
is definitely one episode teasing for abit later in this series that all that
actually broke me with my Card Captorswatching, and I had to stop watching
Cardcaptors for a while. It wasa change so egregious that I could not
continue. Really, I can't eventhink of what it would be. We'll

(37:54):
save it. Oh, absolutely,we need to hold that. I think
it was episode I think it wasepisode eleven, So you know, when
we get there, we'll get there. We'll talk about it. After this
scene with her dad, we getthe first time where we see her going
to school. Ye. And I'mnot sure, but doesn't this happen several

(38:15):
times through the show, the skatingdown the skating down the road? Yeah,
Like, isn't it kind of athing they used to have I guess,
dialogue between her and her brother andJuliet and all of them. Sometimes.
I don't think it happens as muchas you think. But yes,
they definitely do reuse animation from that, like especially like there's the there's the

(38:42):
scene where Soccer catches one of theone of the barrier poles that you know,
keep the traffic from driving into thatlike area, Like she catches that
and swings around it, like theyreuse that all the time. So there's
elements of her skating that are used. But I think the moment of her
like skating down it's at that lowerangle and she's looking up at the trees

(39:02):
like I think that's used like twiceonce in this one. And then I
think when season two begins, it'sactually slightly later spring, so those pink
Soccer are past their pink phase andthey're in green. And we're introduced to
Madison, who we talked about alittle bit already, and I had a
note here that her voice is veryspecific in the Nalvana dub. So is

(39:24):
Sakura's, though in a different way. And I like both of them a
lot. I think they both hitreally well. Yeah, I definitely already
gushed over Madison's voice already by MaggieBlue Era yea who I think, if
I have this right, I thinkher and Soccra's actor Carl McKillop, they

(39:45):
were both they were both kids atthe time, Like Carly McKillop is only
a year older than I am,so she was like eleven or twelve when
she recorded for Soccer Maggie Blue mighthave been a little older. Yeah,
But like some people have actually commentedlike that Socodo's voice is too deep in
the dub. It doesn't sound likea ten year old. It would kind

(40:07):
of blow your mind to know thatCarlin McKillop was like eleven years old when
she wrote when she recorded that.So I believe it, So you know
what, she sounds exactly like aten year old because we think people,
Yeah, and I think people whodon't work like in this, I don't
know what an industry that has kidsaround him I would say, when you're

(40:29):
not and if you don't have kidsof your own, I think people forget
what actual kids are really like.And I don't know a lot of ten
year olds that I've encountered who havelike extremely high pitched, giggly, bubbly
voices like that would have been unrealisticif you ask me, well, absolutely,
it's I mean when I first watchedthe show, I was their age,

(40:52):
so it didn't strike me as aneleven year old as odd at the
time, if that makes sense,yeah either, yeah, totally so,
Yeah, there is a little bitof that aspect of it too, And
I think they did such a goodjob editing those relationships out as well that
I didn't really pick up on thefact that they existed in the Nalvanna.

(41:14):
In the Nalvana dubbed they're they're actuallyyeah, they're almost entirely gone. Although
like one of the things I wasgoing to comment on is like rewatching uh
with soccrah skating next to Tory andJulian that soccer's dialogue. In both versions,

(41:35):
it's very clear that Takra has acrush on Yukito or Julian, but
the American dialogue actually seemed to playit up more. Or it might just
be a difference in it might justbe a cultural difference in how you know,
in English americanized dialogue, it's gonnabe more overt, whereas in Japanese
is going to be more subtle.Like it's it's really the same level of

(41:59):
attractions, just to expressed different waysbecause of different cultural attitudes. I think
you're actually probably spot on with that, because it is a little more of
an American style to be bigger aboutyour feelings than in a lot of other
places. They're a little more buttonedup and as like almost seen as rude
to depending on where you are,you know, to be, I guess

(42:22):
for about it. Yeah, itmight have also just caught me off because
it's like in the in the subI believe she's basically talking about Yukito as
a person, he's a nice guyand listens to her, and over in
America and the Navana dub, it'smore vapid because she's just going on about
how cute he is. So it'slike it's a difference between like liking someone

(42:42):
for who they are and liking someonefor superficial reasons, like maybe that's that.
And then although it also to meplays up a really common thing that
happened and probably still happens, whichis like the girl who is however many
years younger than her brother, havinga crush on her brother's clearly homosexual friend
because because the gay guys are alwaysnice to the girls in a way that

(43:08):
straight guys just are not, Andso before girls figure out how to like
sus that out for themselves. Backin that time when it wasn't so open,
that was probably a really common thingactually to happen for a lot of
young girls where they'd be like crushingon the the Julian of their life or

(43:30):
whatever, you know, the situationwas. That might be why they played
that up too, although he wasjust supposed to be the cute friend,
not the cute gay friend in theirversion. Yeah, I mean, I
it's hard to say exactly. Likethe clamp have been on record as saying
that this was a series that theytried to present as many different relationships as

(43:52):
possible because they wanted to show allof that representation, which meant, you
know, they had they not onlyhad a lot of well comparatively, a
lot of gay representation comparatively, butthat also did mean that they had a
bunch of other relationships that you know, people rag on the series now for

(44:13):
as inappropriate. The I believe thestory does declare straight up that like socc
and Julian were supposed to be anitem originally like that, or at least
that was or at least that wasthe in universe. Uh expectation was that
they were going to get together becauseyou know how Julian has revealed to be

(44:37):
you a later like that, thatwas the in universe thing. I don't
know if that was ever Clamp's actualintention, but it's it's fairly clear from
some of the early parts of themanga that they were definitely fussing around with
a couple of different ideas of wherethey wanted things to go. Like there
are hints that, like there's theobvious hints of course, that Tomoyo was

(44:58):
into Soccra, but at the sametime, we're also at least one chapter
that hinted that Tomoyo might be intotori uh or Toya. I'm gonna mix
up these names so much. That'show it's gonna be interchangeable. It's just
gonna be how it is. I'mgonna try and keep it straight. We're
like, when I'm talking about themanga or the sub I'm gonna keep their
Japanese names. If I'm talking aboutNolvada, I'm gonna talk I'm gonna try
and use their their no Vanda rights. But oh, it's it's it's gonna

(45:22):
hard, it's going to get mixedup. Go on, though, No,
I think I think that was theend of that thought. So,
like I said, there was therewas definitely, there was definitely some playing
with who was gonna end up withwho? Really early on before I think
they had really hammered out exactly howthings were gonna go. Yeah, I

(45:43):
mean it's part of the creative process. There was a little bit of I
don't think they ever played around withwho is gonna end up with who,
but there was Like in Sailor Moon, there's the thing where mars Her character
dates Axino masks human form for awhile he'll beginning before he gets with Moon,
And so they i mean they liketo mess around, I think,

(46:05):
and it's a little more realistic ifit's not as straightforward too, you know,
absolutely, yeah, And it's it'sjust super common in show Joe manga
to begin with. But yeah,you're going to have those those crushes and
love stars, like I mean,it's it's typical magical girl uh set up.
Really all throughout the uh the eightiesand early nineties, the actual like

(46:28):
trope setter series basically all had themain heroin crushing on an older guy.
That was just like the most commonsetup. Yeah, it was, and
it's in a lot of other animes. There's a lot of that stuff too,
and people just kind of pick andchoose when to have a problem with
things. So it's it's one ofthose things. Take it, take the
good you've taken about with it,right, It's it is what it is

(46:51):
exactly. It's like, it's theanime you're going to get all sorts.
Yeah, that's why we're here,right, and we're here to kind of
help make sense of it because Iknow some of those relationships are explained in
a way that we'll get into later. Yea. That definitely eased my mind
about it a little, you know, and it helps make it less even
less creepy than if we weren't alreadyjust inherently sexualizing something for no reason,

(47:14):
you know what I mean. Oh? Absolutely. I remember when I remember
when my sister finally opened my eyesa little bit to like, because I'd
love the series for a long time. And then it's sometime around the time
I was in college, so I'dalready liked the series for ten years and
I'd watched it and read it manytimes. Then my sister finally opened my
eyes to just how weird some ofthe setups were that I was just like

(47:38):
not acknowledging. Yeah, absolutely,Just to give you a sense of where
my brain was at the time,like how long it took before and how
well I think by the way,the series really makes the relationships okay and
palatable because like, if it's notjumping out at you, yeah, it

(48:00):
doesn't even feel like it's the mainIt really isn't. And that's that's one
of the things that like people alwayssay about this series, like oh wow,
it's so there's it's so good forrepresentation and love and everything. I
was like, it kind of isn't, or at least it's not about that.
It's like it's good for it inthe sense that it exists, but
it exists as just background. It'snot important, Like well, well that's

(48:23):
to me because I don't know.I don't want to assume you know anything
about you. But for me,if I am looking for that kind of
representation, I prefer that style whereit is not at the forefront. We
are just happened to be in thatworld too, because that's how it is
in real life. I don't understandthis thing where it's like all of ourt

(48:45):
that's all art identity is, youknow what I mean, Like I don't
function that way. I can't functionthat way. So when I see like
in Sailor Moon and other animes.It does seem to be more like that,
unless it is like a Yawa orwhatever. Yeah, well those are
a completely different things. Yeah,honestly, I consider Clamp to be like
completely like Clamps worlds to be asexualentirely, like that, they're like babies

(49:08):
are born by Stork and Clamp universe. There actually is no sexuality, and
I love I like that. There'swrong with that. So well, let's
keep going through the episodes so it'seasy to get distracted. You might have
to rearrange some of these conversations alittle, but well, let's get into
the baton twirling because we see that, and that's one of my favorite things

(49:31):
about I love that they made thatpart of her character because it gives her
the fact that she like spends herCard Captors thing the way she does,
a personal connection to who she is, rather than just like in Sailor mood,
she can just kind of do thatpragically, you know. Yeah,

(49:52):
it was it was a good bitof character work too, to give her,
to give her something that would tieinto her already existing skill. Yeah,
and it helps set up that she'salready a little athletic too. Totally
as long as it's not a wintersport. Soccer is very athletic, Yeah,
which is that the whole And it'sit's a very common trope with female

(50:14):
lead characters a lot of time tomake them clumsy and stuff like that,
and I really don't feel like theydid that with her at all. No,
they really didn't. For the mostpart, Soccer is a pretty well
rounded, normal, uh like averagegirl, like where the only thing that
she really excels at is is athletics. She is, as far as I
can tell, throughout the series,she's perfectly average at academics. She hates

(50:37):
math like anyone else, but theydon't go into a lot of detail about
any of her other subjects. Butshe's never made out to be like a
bad student. She's just kind oflike there is that music episode with the
recorder. Oh yes, of course, I remember that, of course.
But the thing that we all hadto do with his children, the thing
that I've had to teach, Oh, it's awful, I had at rooms.

(50:59):
I have all the sympathy for youanyways, a whole other, whole
other show. But yeah, no, And I like that her character is
that way, and it almost instillsa lot of prust in her right away
kind of that, because you seea lot of this later in the episode.
Her athletic ability comes out when shedoesn't really have that much, Like

(51:22):
all she has is the one card. Right. So but let's go into
she gets home from school, that'slike the next scene, and she hears
something and she like that she tookher baton down into the basement that was
her I don't think that's a greatuh. I don't think that would make
a particularly good weapon. I thinkgranted I've been hit by I have actually

(51:45):
been hit by those before, solike they're certainly distracting. Well, I
was gonna say, what if shejust starts twirling it to distract whatever it
is and then get away. MaybeI was surprised going through this scene that
the dialogue was actually based sickly wordfor word from the Japanese. Like they
barely changed it. That's good.Yeah, It's like there's occasional times where

(52:07):
like, you know, they'll goway off i'd say off script, but
like they go way off from theJapanese version. Other times they like they
played it completely straight. Yeah,like just translation. They probably were like
we want to make sure we setup the actual important points of the story

(52:27):
correctly here. Yeah, it's andalso like this is the point in the
in the episode where I was watchingwhere the cuts more or less stopped,
like the cuts for time that theywere making. They definitely cut a lot
out of the school day to maketime. But like from about this point
onward, the episode plays more orless at the same pace as the Japanese
version. So we were talking alittle bit about the music earlier. Yeah,

(52:51):
does that mean that the sound,like the music we would have here
would be different in the Japanese visionversion? Yeah? Yeah, Nelvana didn't
use any of the They didn't useany of the original soundtrack. As far
as I can tell, it's comingfrom Dad's library. I wish datatory were

(53:14):
here. What if it's a burglar? Okay, because the song that kicks

(53:37):
in here is one of my favoritetracks. From the background music, it's
like the isn't it the butt atIt kind of starts like that, Yeah,
and I wrote, yeah, andI wrote this is just where I
made my first note about the music, all right, the second one maybe,
But the background music is really heavywith strings, specifically lower strings like
cello and upright bass. Yes,and then yeah, for people who want

(54:00):
to compare, the closest stylistically Ican find in my mental bank is Pirates
of the Caribbean. It's very similarin the sense that they use a lot
of low sounding strings and a lotof the da da da da da da
da, that whole kind of approachof like it's a percussiveness they use with
the bow. And then they getinto adding like anytime you throw a little

(54:24):
harp, you automatically have some magic, you know what I mean, Like
it just brings a little something extrato it. And they use a lot
of interesting sound effects here too thatI really enjoyed. I think I'll definitely
gonna on the next episode, willdefinitely pay more attention to the original odd
the original because like I said,I don't think they use any of the

(54:45):
original music, but you're right,I think they they maybe were very aware
of the original music and replicated ittheir own way, like they use that's
I think what they tried to doa lot of the time back then.
What is Let's talk about this scenea little because it is really important,
right. What are some things younotice that are important here about like the

(55:05):
about her exploring the library, findingHero, Like, yeah, that whole
like getting the book and all that, Like what do you want to highlight
for people? I actually really wantto highlight how much I love Matt Hill
as Cairo, Like I totally gethow the surfer bro voice could be off
putting, but I don't think Iever truly appreciated how how into the role

(55:31):
Matt Hill is when he's voicing thischaracter. He captures Little Hero's energy exactly
the same way the especially like thescene where where he and Soccer are explaining
you. It's like, oh mycards, where are they? It's like
you mean this one? It's like, oh yeah, that one, where's
the rest? And they just keepgoing back and forth and it's it's it's

(55:53):
perfect energy, like they they translatedthe scene perfectly over and and Carly's performance
of it is great, like they'reboth they do it really well. Like
I love that moment. The thingI wrote down about that was I wrote
him coming out of the book wasone of my favorite moments from the whole
episode because he looks really cool andepic and important and then immediately as a

(56:17):
complete dork and intimidating. Yeah,with the camera pan in and out and
like it, which is which isnot added to Nelvana. That's how it
was in the original too. Yeah, and it's funny you bring up his
voice because the first time I triedto go back and watch this, I
would say, maybe it's a yearago already. I the whatever clip I
watched for some reason, it waslike a lot of him just yelling in

(56:43):
that episode, and I don't knowwhy he does yell quite a bit he
does, and I think that onejust had like the most of it somehow,
because I completely forgot that was hisvoice. Now when I heard it,
I was like, I don't thinkI like this. And then going
back and actually watching through this firstepisode again and having him do all these
different levels, I'm hearing what you'retalking about exactly like and because see,

(57:07):
this is the thing where I don'tknow. I know that the airing order
was obviously weird, but I don'tknow if the production order was weird.
So I don't know if this wastheir twentieth episode or if this was their
first episode. I really want toassume the series was dubbed in order,

(57:28):
like all at once basically, andthen was just cut up and aired weirdly.
But yeah, I have no idea. I can't really tell, like,
well, are the same cuts inthe one that was aired overseas?
Yes, it's all the same.It is all the same Nelvana Dubb,
So it's the same. It's thesame episodes, mostly the same recordings.
There are some episodes that do havealternate takes. At the end of certain

(57:52):
episodes, like when we get toepisode I believe It's six, the Museum
episode, there is actually an alternatetake for Lee's first line based off of
whether you're watching the Australian episode orwhether you're watching the North American episode.
Do we have both? I dohave both. Okay, that's another I'm
quite sure. It's such a weirdmystery as to why it was handled in

(58:19):
such like a haphazard way. Yeah. I'm trying to reach out to some
of the people who are hopefully involvedin the production because I want to.
I want to understand why this serieswas the way it was, and that's
part of the goal of this projectis to hopefully get that hand some of
these answers, right. So,the other thing I wanted to talk about
is the cloudbook itself. Sure,the design is really cool. I've always

(58:43):
did they is it is the textin English on the book in the Japanese
version as well, because I knowsometimes they're using I don't think it's English.
Well a, I think it's maybesome got a faux letton. Uh
yeah, I think most of thetime you see that that inner page,
it's mostly just scribbling lines. I'mnot sure, but it says cloud on

(59:07):
the Yeah, yeah, that part, that's that's all still the same,
It's all it always okay, italways says the cloud or the cloth is
apparently how it's actually supposed to bepronounced. I've I've said cloud for years.
I've said cloud for years because that'show car Captors pronounced it. But
in Japanese it's actually kloe like kudo. It's kudo card. Uh So it's

(59:27):
supposed to be like clo, likeyou know, glow blood though. Yeah,
in the Nelvana dub they say cloud, but oh that's what don't they
say klou in the Japanese it's it'swhere they do. It's supposed to be
pronounced cloe. Are you sure that'sjust not an accent, No, it's
definitely like it's written out in kanaas kudo. Oh they have a pronunciation.

(59:49):
Yeah, it's definitely, it's definitelywritten out uh it like this.
The thing is like Japanese does havethat aw sound, but no, it
is definitely written kudo cabo, Soit's it's definitely supposed to be like that.
It's interesting, just like how Kiro'sname is Carrobarrows even though it's written
Cerberus as I've always written, untilyou understand that in Greek the C sound

(01:00:14):
is a k, so it's yeah, but then someone's gonna say it's Cerberus.
Yeah, there's all the difference ofvowels. That's what's gonna be.
Keepers of the Cloud will be rightback, and now we returned the Keepers

(01:00:43):
of the Cloud. Yeah. SoI mean, like the Nelvana pronunciations were
always interesting. I mean that's whyyou have, like I say, SoC
the Japanese way, but in inEnglish, you know, she's Sakura or
Sakura or some variation of that Kira, Yeah, depending on who's saying it,
like going to use a nlvana pronunciation. Yeah, Like Kiro I think

(01:01:06):
always says sakora. He people's anoh in there. It's that's his surper
thing though, I think, yeah, whereas Madison says Sakura. What did
you think about Windy as the choicefor the card that she gets first.
I think it's a very I thinkit's a very good card for her because
it's it's for better or worse.It's a card that is, it's strong

(01:01:30):
enough to get the point across,but it's completely non violent and like non
damaging. So it's it's used it'svery in line with Socra's efforts and personality
where she wants to get the jobdone but doesn't want to hurt anyone or
anything. So like the Windy cardis a very good non violent card for
her to use. I should neverthought about it as non violent, but

(01:01:52):
I guess you're right. It isdefinitely a non violent card, Like she
uses it several times to try andI mean she gets in trouble for that
in the final judgment when she triesto use it against you A because it's
like it won't hurt him. Theproblem is is that you know Ua has
control of it, so not onlywill it not hurt him generally, it
also just physically can't hurt him becausehe want to allow it. So right,

(01:02:14):
it's like it's her go to card, but it's not perfect. It's
covered later that like Windy despite beingan elemental card, is like the gentlest
of the cards. So like she'slike I said, it's a very good
card for Soccer to have because itwould be very different show if like Fiery
was her original card. Yeah,well, I wanted to know why they

(01:02:37):
picked that one for her, andthat explanation makes perfect sense. It fits
her personality very well. Like I'mglad you pointed out that it wasn't violent
because to me, I'm so trained. Oh it's a wind spell. I
see it making the thing stop moving. That's technically an attack, but I
guess the way that it does thingsin general is even when it's getting something

(01:02:59):
to be captured, it kind ofgently stops whatever is going on. Yeah,
it's a it's a it's a bindingspell basically for her, it's not
it's not properly an attack spell.It's not purely defensive. But yes,
it's definitely more non hostile because likeSoccer is not a she's not a hostile
character throughout the entire series. Likeshe's like, Soccer is not only not

(01:03:25):
a hostile character, she's not eventhat proactive in some ways. Like you
get into that in the episode whereshe is very much refusing the call of
the hero when when Spain tells,like, you have to be the card
captor, I don't want to bethe card captor. Well, you left
the cards out of the book,therefore you are the card captor. Like
kind of ship has sailed? Yeah? She she and to be honest like

(01:03:49):
throughout the series, as much assoccer like likes the cards, it's also
very clear that like she's she's doingthis out of obligation, not because she
wants magical powers. Like she is, She's the only magical girl that I've
ever really seen who has given thesefantastical powers and for the most part,
does not care. It's like it'svery much every card is like cool,

(01:04:15):
I capture the card, put itin the book, and go on pretending
to be normal. Well, andit's funny because I think that is almost
a very realistic way to handle it, because the amount of overwhelming information that
would be coming at her at thatage, I think the only way to
handle it would be to compartmentalize it. And it's like, when I am

(01:04:35):
doing that thing, then I'll beall about that. But when I'm not,
I cannot be thinking about that allthe time, or I will absolutely
go crazy. Yeah, exactly,Yeah, it's it's it's very true.
Like, you know, she's goodat using the cards when the situation calls
for it, but she's not someonewho, like you know, other medical
girls, when they're handed their spells, like they'll try to use it in

(01:04:57):
their regular life. But so I'llgo to basically never does. There's only
a couple of occasions where she evertries to use magic for something outside of
capturing a card, and I thinkthose times are mostly her casting the flower
card to be a peacekeeping thing,like she uses her magic for other people.
She never she never uses magic forherself. I like that aspect of

(01:05:19):
Eric too. She's very she's veryresponsible with it. She is also them
choosing Wendy allowed them to. Itwas kind of one of the only choices
that would make the cards being scatteredactually make a lot of sense too.
And I think the way they animatethat scene is really cool. It's one
of the most well known probably,Yeah, it's it's an iconic moment of

(01:05:42):
like seeing them just like fly outof the book and then just shooting off
into the sky like with as littlelaser lights. Like. Yeah, it's
it's a great way of scattering itin the anime, as opposed to in
the manga, where it's the storyis actually a little different where the cards
were pre hidden like years ago forher to find. So it's it's it's
a little different set up in themanga that is different. She didn't know

(01:06:04):
that. Yeah, in the anime, it's uh. I think it's more
dramatic that she released them, andthat's why it makes it more personal for
her too, Like because in themanga, they basically are like, yeah,
cool, you found the book.Congratulations, you get to collect the
cards. Now it's like a prizethat she didn't want to win, whereas
in the anime there's at least alevel of personal responsibility on her. It's

(01:06:25):
like, congratulations, you found thebook and let the cards out. You
have to go get those back plays. I don't know. I like the
way it happens in the show.I think it's cute. It's less of
hers. Yeah, I think I'veread the manga, but I'm having because
I was sitting here like that soundsfamiliar, but I don't know it that

(01:06:46):
well, and I was trying tofigure out why. I remember read the
manga a few times, but well, I never purchased it. But it's
kind of long, isn't it.It's it's twelve issues, but I wouldn't
necessary I call it. What Iwouldn't call it is dense. But what
I'll say is that's a lot ofissues to purchase for me at that age.

(01:07:11):
So like, yeah, the wayI read it was sitting in Barnes
and Noble with my friend on theweekend and we would just get a stack
of manga, sit in those comfychairs and read all day, and like
that's where I read it. That'swhy I don't have it though, and
that's why I don't remember it thatwell, because I was in a score.
I have like four copies of itin different languages. Speaking of we
were talking about Kiro earlier a littlebit, but just a little more on

(01:07:35):
his character. I like, comparedto other animals where there is a mentor
person or animal or whatever it is, he's a lot more goofy than a
lot of them are. He seemsboth together and not at the same time,
which I think makes him a differentkind of mentor, I guess in

(01:07:56):
a way. And I just Ialso really like that at Sakura is not
afraid to challenge him, like rightfrom the start. No, he's he
definitely he definitely doesn't command respect,uh in that regard, Like he clearly
knows what he's talking about, andyet he's very flippant and uh not necessarily

(01:08:21):
truly focused, which is why again, I think the surfer bro voice that
Matt Hill gives him is actually veryappropriate. Yeah, I agree, I
think he does a great job bringingthat. Yeah, although I don't think
I don't think Matt Hill has toomany different voices either. If you've if
you're familiar with that Ed and Nettie, Yeah, he's Ed. Really,

(01:08:45):
that's him. He's the tall,unibrow ed that's Matt so funny, so
I can hear I can hear himthere. He has a slightly different performance
style there. But yes, it'sthe same guy. I love that we
have Edded him Eddie crossover though Iused to watch it's the same. Well
was Cartoon Network, so yeah,and Carchaptters was actually briefly on Cartoon Network.

(01:09:11):
I thought it was on too Namifor a little bit. Yeah,
it was on there for like,I think it only made it about six
months. I think they managed toplay the entire series once and then pulled
it. I don't know how muchthey say about this, but who is
Cloud Read and what do we learnabout him in this episode? We learned
very little about cloud Read overall,Like throughout the series, all you really

(01:09:35):
ever get to learn much about himis that he was a powerful magician.
He created the Cloud Cards and thenso this is a slight change in the
Nelvana dub in that they kind ofmake the Cloud Cards out to be far
more malicious than they really are.He like the Nelvana dub basically paints them

(01:09:56):
as like, you know, cloudRead made these cards. They were a
new kind of magic that have apersonality of their own, and they ended
up being so dangerous that he lockedthem in a book to protect the world.
That's not really the tone that theSub goes with. The cards were
just sealed in the book because that'show he decided to pass them on to
Socre very indirectly. So that isone of kind of the big thematic changes

(01:10:26):
between the Sub and the Dove isthat Cardcaptors really kind of makes the It
kind of makes the Cloud Cards fallinginto Socra's hands more of an accident than
it was in the original story.We get to see our first cloud card
out in the wild, Yes,Fly, which, Yeah, it's a
very exciting moment. I think theFly card being the first card chosen was
a really good choice because it's trueform is sort of intimidating and scary,

(01:10:54):
so we have that aspect of agiant bird. Yeah. But it's also
a card that I think if itcame later in the season, it would
have been easily buried and not interesting, probably, like there's definitely ways that
she could deal with it easier.I think probably one of the biggest reasons
why it was first is because itis her main mobility card throughout the entire

(01:11:15):
series. That's the other Yeah,they wanted to give her that. I
mean, great. It's also thevery first card she captures in the mongo,
so they kept that one. Orrather it's the first card we see
her capturing in real time, notcounting flashbacks, so I think there was
probably some effort with that too.But yes, I believe it was definitely

(01:11:35):
a case of they wanted to giveher this mobility ability really early, so
they gave her. They gave herthe Fly card like immediately. Yeah,
And I thought it was interesting too, the way that when she's dealing with
the fly cards. She's in herrollerblade still right, like in the morning.

(01:11:56):
Doesn't she have her pajamas on atthis point? Yes, then she
could deal of it. Yes,and she has her h they're called wrist
guards and her kneepads on. Thoughover the pajamas. Safety first, I
love that detail as a kid whoseparents made them wear all of that crap
when they went out on rollerblades andI looked absolutely crazy. I'm glad they

(01:12:19):
did. I fell so much.Yeah, they're definitely great, Like I
said, like, that's the interestingthing, Like she wears all that but
not a helmet despite that, despitethat we mentioned earlier, how like you
know, old dubbing sometimes would cutscenes of a person riding a bike without
a helmet on. So lad,true, Okay, to not wear a

(01:12:40):
helmet bike absolute cardinal sin if youhave no helmet on. I bet you
anything. I know exactly how theygot away with it, because rollerblades were
like a new thing when I wasa kid, and I guarantee you there
were laws about bikes, and therewere probably laws about roller skates. They
were probably not laws yet about rollerblades. Yeah, that that might be,
which you know granted, it's agood thing. She's really good on those

(01:13:02):
rollerblades because it gas. Yeah,I want to talk about the you know,
when she gets up on fly andshe has to do that, she
has to do that like full oneeighty up up a wall. I was
gonna ask what that was. Well, all she does is she she just
skates up the the like forty fivedegree incline on the road, uh,

(01:13:27):
and then just jumps. Uh.And I would very much like a pro
skater's feedback on on that trick,because that is probably the most involved thing
she ever does in the series onrollerblades, and she just pulls it off
without a hitch. It's like it'sthe it's a top level skate trick that
I'm not even sure is possible.I agree with you. I would love

(01:13:49):
to hear about that from a professionalskater or just anyone who's really good at
Tony Hawk's pro Skater two for theend of sixty four, especially because also
I think that wall was not aflat wall. I'm pretty sure it had.
If I go back to the ithas it's stones. Yeah, it's
stones and like divots in there,like it's not a flat surface. Well,
that's why I wanted to ask youwhat it was because I'm not used

(01:14:10):
to seeing walls like that along roads, at least where I live. No,
so they're very they're a very Japanesething. I think they're just used
to, you know, when theycut into the road and then they put
a layer of concrete there to dealwith the erosion and keep this makes sense
the thing of the road. SoI'm pretty sure that's all that is is.
It's just a it's just a feature. It's a it's a common feature

(01:14:33):
of Japanese roadway architecture. But alsodefinitely not rated for skating as far as
I'm concerned. No, that wouldbe really hard to actually pull off in
real life. And then also justthe actual bravery to get on a bird
like that, which we knew.It goes up in the sky, so
then she's and she can't fly yet, so she's now stuck on the back

(01:14:54):
of this thing. Doesn't she throwthe windy card while she's up on it?
Yeah, it's it's her first cast, and you know it. She
kind of channels that that you know, first term superhero thing where like you've
just got your powers, you instinctivelyknow how certain things work. Even though

(01:15:15):
by all rights you're flying around onthis bird, you think throwing a card
is the best idea with the wind, you know, whipping past you like
this, like that, that card'sgone. But no, it just she
throws it out in front of her. It just kind of lazily floats in,
you know, striking range of herwand so she's kind of counted on

(01:15:36):
that to be to work out.Well, she got lucky there. But
also I love the way they animatedthat. I thought it was cool.
Yeah, and it shows off Weindy'snon violent tendency of just I'm just going
to wrap up a bird and causeit to violently crash into the town.
And also literally no one's gonna noticean enormous bird crashing into the town and

(01:15:59):
causing god knows how how much damagewe gotta Actually that brings up a good
question too. But before I askthat, just back to Windy. Yeah,
what did I want to say aboutWendy here? Oh the way,
So, and this is not justspecific to Windy, but I always notice
it the most with her. There'ssomething about the cloud card animation specifically that's

(01:16:24):
very glowy. Yeah, And Idon't know how they achieve that because it's
like it's not like, oh,they just drew a little light around it.
Maybe that's what they do, butthere's something that with the way they
do sound effects that's very, veryspecific and doesn't feel like any other anime
to me, and it's like it'sit applies to almost all of the cloud

(01:16:45):
cards summoning that she does I haveany idea what I'm talking about. I
think I do. I don't knowin animation how you achieve that glow effect
other than I'm pretty sure it's justanother it's just another layer of cell that
you that you produce that glow effeon. But unfortunately I don't know enough
about technical animation to really explain howthat effect is produced. That makes that's

(01:17:11):
fair enough for you. I wasjust curious what we know about it.
But if anyone else has picked upon that, and you know what I'm
talking about and wants to comment onit, I guess any class, any
classic animator, I'm sure I cantell you how to do that, because
as far as I know, theshow used little to no computer for at
least the at least the TV anime. I believe the the first and second

(01:17:32):
movies may have used a little computerpower for some animation, but for the
most part, I think Soccaro wasdone entirely, entirely analog probably, yeah,
just based on the time period andeverything. Yeah, So I just
don't I don't know how that effectis made, but I know that you

(01:17:53):
know, it was made completely conventionally. Yeah, it's It's probably one of
those things that I'm missing from newstuff. I don't know. But anyway,
so, like you were saying,we see Windy kind of wrap itself
around the bird and it gently fallsout of the sky. I can't move,
and then she captures her first card, which is the fly card.

(01:18:13):
And do we want to do justan overview of the fly card in general?
I've we could. There's not toomuch to say about it. It's
oh it is, it does whatit does, what it says on it.
It's let's you fly. She usesit attached to her wand for the
entire first story arc before it changesform later. But it's very useful to

(01:18:38):
create that iconic witch image of youknow, flying around a broomstick. She's
just flying around on a on astick with wings that come out of the
back. Yeah, instead of thebroom whatever you call it, bristles or
whatever sweepy part she has the littlewings on the end. I thought that
was That was one of those thingsI immediately noticed about the show too,

(01:18:59):
though, because I was expecting herto just summon a bird, right,
and then the when it was that, I was like, Oh, that's
even more cute because that, again, it's like a specific esthetic to her,
and the cards kind of function basedon her. They probably wouldn't do
that if it wasn't her, itwould be something different else. It seems
like the way the Cloak cards workis that you can either summon the spirit

(01:19:23):
and the spirit you know, hasthe powers that go along with it,
or you can just summon a certaineffect, which is what you get with
fly. So like there's there's nopractical reason to ever summon the bird,
but you can summon the wings tofly with. So that's that's general.
Hell. Yeah, as opposed tolike Windy, where in theory, she
could probably just project wind out ofthe card if she wanted to, but

(01:19:45):
no, she always sends the Windycard itself. Yeah, the whole thing,
and we get our first well,we see it, so she captures
the card. She has this momentwhere she like doesn't really think she wants
to do this, that's like fairto right, and then Kiros like just
trying the card, and then shedoes and that's when we see the witch
broom thing. Yeah, and thatkind of immediately turns around because it's like,

(01:20:10):
oh my god, that was soscary. I don't want to ever
do that again. It's like,but have you tried and see what the
card does Now It's like it's like, oh wow, I could fly.
Yeah. If you keep capturing cardsto get other cool abilities, yeah,
that would definitely get me motivation tokeep going and make me feel a lot
more secure because I would be like, well, now I guess I don't
have to worry about being like stuckup in the sky. So that would

(01:20:31):
take a big, you know,intimidation factor out of it. And that's
the episode. And then we getKiro's corner the first time we do,
which is interesting. I was surprisedto get those because the North American dub
cut those out entirely. We nevergot them. You just got the credits
and then you're done. The show'sdone. But the Powell region gave us

(01:20:54):
the Cairo's corners, which unfortunately meansI don't think I have all of them.
I only have the ones I have. The palal rips for the North
American dub usually would replace the Ciro'scorner with just a a next time on
Carcappers or or just not even anext time. It would just be like

(01:21:15):
a It would be a scene whereit would just show the cloud book opening
and it would show a random cardfrom an episode that you probably didn't get
to see, and then all thoughta dub. So it was basically their
It was their opportunity to show clipsof episodes that probably weren't going to be
aired. They kind of took aweird like that combined with what Pokemon is

(01:21:42):
that? Remember the late yes thatPokemon thing then they used to do.
It was probably them taking a notefrom that combined with the Sailor says thing
that happened, and they were justlike, let's do a segment and they
were That's what they ended up goingwith. What do we act it?
So the Curos corner from the versionthat we watched, which is the Nalvana
dub, but the pal version,so and we're doing that so everybody knows.

(01:22:04):
Just so we have the complete thingwhat happens in it, So it's
the exact same one as in thesub so as far as I know,
they don't mix them up. Well, it's it's just the Cairo chance to
talk about usually the costume of theday, but in this case, since
we didn't get a costume, wejust he just talked about the the Readington

(01:22:25):
Elementary as the name of the schooluniform, and he does this weird thing
that made a note of uh thatsaid that Socoa personalized her uniform with the
wing badge on the arm, whichis wrong because that's just the logo on
the school. It's such a weirdchange in the dialogue that they made that

(01:22:45):
is sort of weird. The onlything I noticed is that he commented on
how she captured the card and herpajamas that too, Yeah, I thought
that was funny. I've never seensomeone capture a card in their pajamas.
Well, Cairo, you've never seensomeone capture before either. Well, and
you never will again. Because apparentlyMadison has a sweatshop in her basement and

(01:23:06):
is able to turn out a newoutfit in five seconds like every day.
Well, in the next episode youactually see that she just has a ton
of them pre made already. Wheredid they come from? She just makes
them? Like okay, sure,Like Tomoyo has no hobbies other than making
clothes, and she makes clothes specificallyfor Salk. People have all kinds of

(01:23:30):
hoppies going on. Yeah, it'sa little weird that she started making clothes
for her before she was a superhero. That's the interesting part is that she
was making these costumes before that.But yeah, I think I know why,
but we can get into that later. Maybe it's I don't know if
the manga never I don't think reallydelves into it, because again the manga
starts kind of already in the story. But yeah, in the anime,

(01:23:54):
like Tomoyo, Madison finds out andthen the following night, she's already got
a van full of costumes. Thatis so funny. She is rich.
Maybe she does have a sweatshop inher basement. That's right, she is.
She might We don't know. Sosomething I think we should do each
week. The reason I do thison Moon Stars because I think it it

(01:24:15):
just adds something to it but alsogives people listening something to participate in.
I think we should rate each episodeout of five, so we do five
stars over there, we can saymoon stars over there. We can call
it stars here, we can callit star cards. I don't know.
Stars are very on brand for SACA. I figured we can call them Secura

(01:24:38):
stars. What but whatever? Howwould you rate this episode out of five?
To be honest, I would givethis a five. This is a
This is a perfect setup for theseries itself. It does a good job
of introducing the main character, acouple of the side characters who will be
more important later. It gives youa good setup of the stakes of the

(01:25:01):
series, even the modified stakes ofthe Novana dub by. As I said,
it makes the it makes the Cloakcards more malicious than they really are.
But yeah, I think this evenas the dub version, I think
it stands up perfectly well as aas a starting episode. Yeah, I
gave it five out of five.Two. I think it's a really strong

(01:25:25):
introduction, just like you were saying. And yeah, they set up the
characters in a way that makes youwant to know more about them, and
I feel like you get enough tobe interested. But it doesn't feel drawn
out at all. And I thought, like you were talking about earlier to
Sakura, even though she is notlike she doesn't necessarily feel her age.

(01:25:50):
She still feels really relatable because shehandles a lot of situations that I feel
like a way that mote, it'slike kind of an across the board.
A lot of people might react inthat way. She just kind of has
a little more bravery in the endabout it maybe. And then of course,
like the physical attributes that athletes probablypossess that most of us don't,

(01:26:13):
so like she has that bonus too. But then I also thought Kiro comes
off really well in this episode,and it was interesting to me having that
reaction, having seen some random othermiddle one and not liking his portrayal that
much and then seeing this one andI was like, I actually really love
it a lot. I think,like any series is going to be people

(01:26:35):
who have bad performance days, andyou probably got to see some of his
lesser performances because this episode was definitelyone of his better ones. Yeah,
and I also really liked the choiceof Windy as her first card for the
same reasons we mentioned earlier. ButI think having a card like that be
the first one gives just enough ofthat elemental magic to where if that is

(01:27:00):
something that's sort of like one ofthe things you look for. You know
it's going to be there from thestart, right, you know. And
then yeah, and the fly cardwe already talked about. It was a
great choice too for a first afirst capture. I think it's a really
strong intro episode. Overall, itis period like in either version. It's
it's a really good intro. Yeah, well that's it for one Faithful Day

(01:27:23):
that I say it, right,Yeah, yeah, I think it's one
faithful day, not a faithful daylike I thought it was. It was
one faithful Day. And then Sakuraand the Mysterious Magic Book. If you
guys want to follow the Japanese Imean, watch whatever you want really well,
to be honest, to be honest, like, well go look like
we've established like the Japanese version isfar more easy to see than the Nelvana

(01:27:45):
version because it's Yeah, it wasa challenge to find all of the Alvana
version, And as much as Iwould like to make it available to everyone,
I'm pretty sure that would be somekind of copyright problem. I'm gonna
not test my luck with that.No, we're not. But there are
ways for people to find it ifthey do want to. What is the
actual easiest way if if we're talkinglegally, like as in purchasing the physical

(01:28:11):
DVD or a VHS, would yousuggest, well, the only the only
legal way to watch it in thestrictest sense would be to go on eBay
and find old vhs is. Butunfortunately the vhs is only go up to
like episode twenty one or twenty four. I think they cut the line off,
so you can't even watch the originalfull thirty five episodes if people in

(01:28:33):
the pale regions are able to findfull sets. But I have never seen
full sets of Cardcaptors over there atall. The English like the Great Britain
cuts that I have only go upto about also episode about twenty one,
but it's like the Card Captor SoccerRun episode twenty one, there's only four

(01:28:56):
volumes of that. The Australian vhsis that I have, there's only three
of them, so that only coverstwelve episodes. I am entirely unaware as
of yet where you can possibly seethe entire Nelvana dub without going on YouTube
and trying to piece it together theway I did. That might be what
they have to do for now,And I don't put the whole thing up

(01:29:18):
and a yeah, you might haveto grab individual volumes wherever you can find
them. Do they have a DVDrelease anywhere? They was a DVD release
that went along with the VHS's,but it cuts off at exactly the same
time they were calling out at thattime, because this was two thousand and
one, so that was right atthe VHS DVD cut off. Yeah,

(01:29:41):
and I believe what happened. Thisis purely speculation on my part, but
the Car Captors sets weren't selling well, so Pioneer, the people who owned
the distribution rights to it, justcut their losses and decided to start releasing
the series uncut on DVD instead.So that's that's where the Pioneer VHS and

(01:30:05):
DVD line of the same of CarcaptorSoccer began. Basically like Car Captors,
car Captors prematurely ended so that Pioneercould just start putting out the raw on
cut videos. That's so wild.And do you know if the Pal DVDs
did they ever complete the whole series? I have not. I've never seen

(01:30:27):
paled. I don't think i've everseen Pal DVDs at all. That I'd
just seen VHSS and the only timethat I've gotten any messaging at all was
when I reached out to Madman inAustralia and they said that they had no
plans to release the Novana dub ofCar Captors. So yeah, as as

(01:30:48):
of now, I know of noway to obtain legitimate copies of the Novana
Car Captors, despite my offerings tostudios that I will pay for those recordings,
like I will do it. I'vegot that money, but so far,
no one's been willing to like giveme a dropbox to like the HD

(01:31:11):
puts. Fortunately, I think thatdoes. Don't quote me on this,
and nobody used this as a reference, because I am not saying for sure,
but I think the fact that itis so basically impossible to find means
that if people were to find itsome other way, the likelihood of them
being targeted is probably fairly low.I would imagine, maybe, and that's

(01:31:34):
a big maybe. I just thinkthey want to bury it. It's like
it, I think too. Itjust didn't do well and no one,
like the studio doesn't like I saidnelvanas Nelvana's defunct, I think, and
the fan base just doesn't like it. So despite hopefully our effort to turn
that around and maybe make carcaptors morepalatable. That would be a great thing

(01:31:57):
to get one of these studios thatactually still does own the right to it
to be like, maybe we willdo a limited DVD release because I guarantee
you, studios, I will befirst in line of slap money on your
table and say give me those DVDsor maybe they'll put it on a streaming
service or something or that. Justgive give me the raw audio. But
I don't understand is if we giveyeah, like we have the technology to

(01:32:21):
share it, if people are willingto pay for it, you might as
well. You know, well,I never say never, you never know.
Yeah, great, I can stillkeep putting feelers out there to studios
and be like, look, Iknow you have this somewhere, like give
it to me. Yeah. Ithink there's gonna be a time eventually where
stuff like that becomes a historical thing, which we're already moving towards that.

(01:32:45):
And you know, they recently foundthat that pilot episode of The American Sailor
Moon in yes, the Library ofCongress, Like I wonder if carcatchers in
the Library of Congress. I wasin the library of Congress gives because they
archive everything. I guess they do. Right, well, I'm sure it
must be there. That blows mymind. That's so funny. Shrek is

(01:33:08):
in there? Why not? Whynot? I think I have that right,
Like, that's where they found that. That's where they found They basically
found that thing in some kind ofnational archive of some variety, like yeah,
maybe maybe all of card Captors.But then again, Card Captors was
made in Canada, so it wouldbe Canada's version of national archives. We

(01:33:29):
can call Canada if someone that Canadiancan get in touch with their national film
Archives. Let's let's go down thatrabbit hole. Well, I have always
liked Card Captors. I also lookedlike Card Captors occur in the original version.
I hope that this podcast helps peopleenjoy it a little bit more because
it definitely gave me a lot ofgreat moments as a kid, and I

(01:33:53):
think there are a lot of goodqualities to it, along with a lot
of the changes that they made thatof course, I wish they could have
been more true to it or whatever, but they just couldn't at the time,
and they weren't, and it thenthey and it wasn't so it's it's
like I can boohoo about it orI can still enjoy it. Yeah,
exactly. I think, like youknow, it sucks that they edited things

(01:34:15):
out, but I think they madea different product that on its own,
I think, or at least Ihope, throughout this series we can show
stands on its own. Yeah,and it's still worth giving it some attention
even in this day and age.You know, if you can find it,
as we've established, that will bea challenge. We have reached that

(01:34:45):
part of the show where if youare following us on the podcast feed,
we are branching off into Chris's corner. So I'm gonna go ahead and just
get into it. I'll be I'llmeet you guys there because I'm part of
it. So let's go. Here'sthe first Christmas quarter. Carcaptors is a
little weird in the sense that itwas reordered right they put They jumbled the

(01:35:11):
episode order originally when they aired it, and then later I think it got
fixed. So it's a little confusingwhere we're starting. But you are someone
who focuses a lot on art styleand animation, do you want to start
by talking about that? Yeah?So the lead character designer of Carcaptor SOCCERA

(01:35:31):
is Kumiko Takahashi, which she startedin the eighties, but in terms of
anime, she's mostly known for beingthe lead character designer of this adaptation of
CCS and also or on or OnHigh School Host Club in the mid two

(01:35:54):
thousand's. Oh I can see that. Yeah, and the best I don't
know, the best Like besides her, there were I think two other people
that were known as the best characterdesigners for CCS. I don't remember what

(01:36:14):
one of their names are, butone of them is Marico Fujita. So
going through the series most important,like most of all the important episodes in
the original series of CCUS are alllike it's pretty much guaranteed that one of

(01:36:34):
the three like nicest people did them. Hey everyone, it's Cci Amato doing
the end card. Thank you somuch for getting this far. This was
the pilot episode, so it wasa bit long. These videos will be
going up on this channel for now, but soon there will be their own
channel for them to go up on, and I'll put a link to that
channel when it is made and theymove over there. But for now,

(01:36:56):
for the first few episodes, they'regoing to be here. This is also
again available in a podcast form withlinks in the description if that is how
you would prefer to experience the seriesgoing forward. We're really looking forward to
going far in the series. Wehave all seventy episodes to work with,
and I think it's gonna be great. Like common and subscribe and now here's
Chris's corner. What do you thinkI guess stands out about Cardcaptor Sakura when

(01:37:20):
it comes to other like Magical Girlanimis uh, there's well, just like
just like Sailor Moon, there's alot of or I guess in Cardcaptor Soccer
there's even more of a a gay, you know, heavy theme in it

(01:37:43):
with obviously it was cut in thein this English deb of it, but
Yukito and Toya having a cannon acanon relationship, and just the the different
elements of the cards and how thecards abilities affect Soccra's life and school and

(01:38:11):
whatever going on. Yeah, it'salmost like it's like it's kind of like
adds a mystery element to it eachweek when they're trying to figure out which
card it is and based on what'shappening in the city. I always found
that aspect of it really interesting.I also noticed, correct me if I'm
wrong, but for animals of thattime period, to me, this was

(01:38:35):
the only quote girly. And I'msaying that in terms of that time anime
that was focused on like collection,whereas the other ones being Pokemon, Yugio,
bay Blade, all of that kindof stuff, All the quote collected
animals were more boy esque, Iguess, or we're kind of pushed or

(01:38:57):
marketed in that direction. And Ithink, to me, that makes this
stand out a little because I've alwaysI respond to that in things I like
like the Pokemon world and cards andall that. And I like how she
has all these different cards to collectand gather and they all do different things
rather than it being gathering a teamof people. Does that make sense?

(01:39:18):
Yeah? I agree, So Idefinitely think that is something that stands out
about it. This episode. Shestarts with Windy, right, and then
what she captures the fly card.Do you have any thoughts about the fly
card and like how it's captured oranything. No, I guess just probably

(01:39:41):
just that it's a good it's agood card to start with for the serious
sense. It's something it's something thatseems like it would be not that interesting
of an ability to have in herregard, but it ends up being obviously,
you know, very important. Itends up being something she uses more
than almost anything else. Yeah,I love that. The monster or it's

(01:40:05):
not even a monster, I guessthe card itself, it's quote true form
is this huge bird beast. Butthen when she uses it, it's these
wings on the back of her staff, so she's kind of flying around like
on a broom like a witch.I always noticed that where it's like it
is, it's like the cards,why would you describe it? They kind

(01:40:26):
of like temper themselves to her personright, her needs or her personality.
I love that aspect of it too. Well, this segment is supposed to
be pretty short. I guess let'sjust choose a favorite moment from today's episode
if you had too, probably justbecause I remember it so much, and

(01:40:47):
I used to have a cell ofuptel from the scene in the beginning when
they're when they're on the way toschool together. That's just something that I
like, scene that I kind ofhave memorized in my head from from the
series. Just in terms of iconicmoments in anime, in older anime,

(01:41:12):
and yeah, I used to havea nice cell of Yukito from when Sakara
is looking up at him riding hisbike, and I, that's with a
friend locally, Like I sold itto a friend that lives like a half
hour for me, so you canstill visit the cells. Yeah, have

(01:41:35):
partial ownership. No, that's that'ssuch a great Okay. First of all,
I agree with you. That partis kind of burned into my mind
too, specifically, like the wholerollerblading aspect of it. There's something really
nostalgic about that. There's something solike sweet about the fact that she rollerblades
to school with her brother and hisfriend, like it's so homey and cozy.

(01:41:59):
And then yeah, I kind ofI always thought it was cute how
she had a crush on Yukito.In the English, he's called Julian,
right, which was the first timeI'd ever heard that name before, And
I it's he's the reason I likethat name for guys, So congrats to
him for that. What a that'sa really iconic cell ticket. It was

(01:42:21):
it expensive? No, because itwas still at the time where I mean
now now certain CCS stuff can belike really expensive, But before COVID and
before the new Car Captor Soccer cameout. CCS cells were you know,
known for being almost always super superaffordable, and even stuff that was like

(01:42:48):
really really really nice wasn't more thanI don't know, maybe like three hundred
dollars, but a lot of themwere like that. I remember that that
cell of Yukito was like like seventyoriginally. Really yeah, I wonder is
it still like that or the pricehas gone up? No, Like,
if you want to get I mean, if you want like something just subpar

(01:43:11):
or average, it's still it's stillreally affordable, I would say, But
yeah, if you want something that'slike really nice or iconic, then it'll
be. It can be like crazyexpensive nowadays. It just it all just
depends on like what it is andwhere you're getting it from. It makes
sense though, like over time therarity would increase, not decrease, So

(01:43:33):
I guess it does make sense.I'm excited that we're starting this show.
I Car Captors is another one thathas always been like really important for me,
along side Sailor Moon. And Idon't know if you notice it,
but it's like there are certain musicstings in it, like the song they
play when they are writing to schoolthat one. It's like, there's nothing

(01:43:54):
that I don't know, like epicabout it, but it hits so well,
Like it's I just think whoever didthe music for this and Sailorman both.
I know Bob Summers did the EnglishDeek stuff, but they're so talented
in the Japanese Sailorman music. Ithink the music in the anime is one

(01:44:15):
of the things in general that levelsit up above other forms of animation,
at least for me. Yeah,I agree. I'm so excited about this
all right, do you want toadd anything else? Well, just in
general. I can actually send itto you quick here on Instagram, so
you can just maybe tell people whatit looks like. One of my favorite

(01:44:39):
things that I have production art wiseis it's a really sizeable sketch set of
Toya and Yukito from the first fromthe first movie. Here. There's two

(01:45:01):
movies, right, yeah, yeah, only the the first one had a
dub in this in this censor Canadiancast, and then the second movie was
had a Los Angeles based dub.I have the VHS on the first one.
I'm sure that's the the old one. I really like the first movie.

(01:45:24):
I think the like, do youremember the part where they're like running
through the shop, like the market. Yeah, I think they're in is
it China? Yeah? Where theygo? I always thought that was so
freaking interesting and cool. These arereally cute, So where who had?
Wait? What's the story for thesketch set? Again, that's from the

(01:45:44):
first The pictures kind of look likeshit on DM, but the it's from
the first movie. So there,it's a sketch set of I know them
as Tory and Julian. You saythey're Japanese names Yukito and Toyat And they're
kind of talking to each other andthere's like all these different expressions and we
get to see like happy Yukito.They're both kind of doing a sweat drop

(01:46:09):
moment. I love that kind ofanimation with the eyes like that. How
would you describe those eyes? They'relike tiny and more more cartoony. Yeah,
it's like they drop the whites ofthe eye to make it look like
they're kind of like what those arereally really nice. I can I can

(01:46:30):
post these with the first episode sopeople can see them too. I'lt to
send them to you, like thedifferent formats so they don't look like crap.
When you're download them then I know, email it to me. I'll
download them directly. All right.Cool, Well that's it for today.
We're all set then, and I'llsee you next Friday. Does that sound

(01:46:53):
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