Episode 03 - Allies

Get drenched with us this week on Keepers of the Clow! Today, we cover the third episode of Cardcaptors - the English adaptation of Card Captor Sakura created by Nelvana in the early 2000's - titled Allies.

Podcast Feed listeners will enjoy a feed exclusive segment at the end of each episode known as Chris's Corner - featuring Moon Star: A Sailor Moon Podcast co-host and celebrity interviewer Chris Mayek!

Episode Information
Nelvana Title: Allies
Original Title: Sakura's Heart-Racing First Date
United States Airdate: November 18th, 2000
Canadian Airdate: January 14th, 2001
Original Airdate: April 21st, 1998

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We are not affiliated with Nelvana,Pioneer Entertainment, The Madhouse Clamp, or
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not endorsed by any license holder.Episode three, allies, Well, it's

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exciting for us on the day ofrecording today because this is actually really dropped
episode one and if we're talking aboutreal time, do you want to talk
about that experience a little, Icould. I'm I'm surprised. I'm surprised,
but pleasantly surprised that you know thatthe live launch on YouTube there were
eight people watching and two people chatting, which is two more than I expected.

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So, well, yeah, wedid essentially a cold launch. There
wasn't a lot of promotion behind it. Yeah, I kept hinting at it
heavily on my channel. But yeah, like basically yesterday's video that went live
was a trailer for or Yeah,it was kind of a trailer for it.

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And I mean like that when Irecorded that a week ago on Twitch
that like anyone who was there,all two of my viewers maybe about it,
but yeah, this was very mucha cold watch. Yeah. Well,
and I made like a post yesterdayor whatever on the Moonstar thing,
and I've talked about a card captorsproject. I think. I don't know
how detailed I got with them onthe show, but I'm excited because I

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know we have some listeners that arecoming over from Moonstar. They've already said
they want to listen. So that'sgreat. Hi to you guys if you're
still assuming they're still here. Sothat was kind of fun. And then
let's go into a little detox.I don't know if we've really addressed it
in episodes one or two that well, but what is the Why would someone

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want to maybe look at both versionsof the show, the podcast and the
YouTube version. Oh so the reasoningfor that is simply that the podcast is
audio, whereas the YouTube version,there is a bunch of visual stuff.
It's added since you know, Ihave a screen, so I can,
like I usually Inhans what's being talkedabout by putting silent versions of the clips

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on screen so people have something tolook at. Also, while it isn't
true for the first episode, goingforward, I intend to have on the
podcast side, the Chris's corner willbe tacked on at the end, whereas
on the YouTube side a merchandise spotlightwill be tacked on at the end.
Yeah, and so that makes likeChris Mayek, who's my co host on

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Moonstar, his segment will be apodcast exclusive thing, and then your merch
segment will be a YouTube exclusive thing. Also, I was playing around going
forward, I need to see becausethe first episode was really long, and
I think the second one was kindof long. But as we settle into
our rhythm on the actual podcast itself, since there's no visual I might start
adding a handful of clips, likeaudio clips from the show. When the

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idea is like you're listening to theshow on the way to work, you
can almost kind of still experience theepisode through listening it with us a little
bit and with your imagination without havingto actually watch it, you know what
I'm saying, So that'll enhance thatexperience as well. But a couple other
things people can check out as well. The website is live, which they
can find if they go to VintageAnime Video dot com and just scroll down

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a little. We are featured onthe main page there, Keepers of the
Cloud, And for those of youwho make it to the website, there's
a few reasons you're going to wantto go there. One, it's cute
and I worked hard on it,so thank you check it out. But
it's fun, honestly, it's it'sI enjoy doing it. But and then
two, there's a couple of sectionson there that are considered bonus sections for

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anyone who likes the show enough togo there. One being an interactive episode
guide, and then the other isgoing to be a merchandise guide, and
those are going to update rolling aswe go through the show. So I'll
handle it mostly the episode guide,but my idea is, since you'll be
featuring merch you know, on arolling basis, we can kind of add

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that as we go there as well. So yeah, people can go ahead
and check that out. That soundsgood, Yeah, because now that we're
in episode three, I'm noticing I'mmissing the Card Captors theme like the old
one. Oh yeah, so Ijust I noticed I uploaded those on YouTube
like a year ago and never gotany copyright anything on it. I don't
think anyone owns it, so Iwent Ahead's weird. Yeah, I went

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ahead and just put those songs inon episode zero because like that's pretty much
all it is, and I canjust cut it if I need to.
But for people who want to hearthat, they can check out episode zero
of it. It just goes toshow that literally no one wants Card Captors,
like this has been a completely abandonedfranchise. Well, I really think

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it is. I don't think anyoneowns that, like those things. I
know the trademark for Card Captors isunclaimed. I looked that up. It
is not owned, although I amnot entirely clear if that just means it
defaulted back to Codanha, who ownsthe licensing rights to the car Gaptor Soccer
and presumably any dub or if itreally just means that, like it's abandoned.

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Where I mean, I think aftera certain point things become public domain
too, not not in this timescale, not probably, thank you Disney,
Oh Disney, like they if Ihad to ballpark it. I'm guessing that
Carcaptors is at least the seventy years, so it's definitely not a public domain

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thing. That is why I havenot I have not decided to risk yet
trying to upload the episodes anywhere someonehas. But we're not gonna get too
into that because no, that whenI saw that, I was kind of
shocked. I was like, Iget being able to have clips and maybe
some like music and stuff, butthe whole everything. Okay, YouTube still
tried to to flag the stuff thatI put up already really but yeah,

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the short clips that are in episodeone, it tried to flag those when
I when I uploaded, When yousay flag, do you mean it just
shows there's copyrighted content or you gotlike it. Yeah, it says it's
copyrighted content. It did not getI didn't get a mark. I just
got a flag of like, hey, you know this contains a copyrighted thing.
It's like yeah, sure, butno one cares because it's card Captors.
Yeah, it's the the AI.No, I'm not that worried about

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that stuff. Yeah, I'm allright, So let's actually get into the
episode. We wanted to do thegeneral episode info and then the card info
and all that up top. Sodo you want to take the lead on
that? Yeah? Absolutely, Ido want to take the lead on that
because I've you've probably been able totell from me messaging you this week.
I am very excited to talk aboutthis episode because this episode is probably the

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quintessential, like Card Captors episode whenyou're talking about when people criticize this series
because they cut a bunch of stuffout and they had to change stuff like
this is the prime example of whatthey had to, like what they had
to do to Card Captors to tobring it over here into North America.

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This is it. This is somuch. Uh yeah, I definitely felt
that just watching it, and Idon't even know what the details are yet,
but I could feel it, youknow. Oh good, because that
was one of my questions. Butyeah, let's start by going over the
basic information about this this episode.This is this is our episode three because

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it's based off of Card Captor SOCCRAepisode three, Soccer is Hart Pounding date.
The English title for this is Allies, which was aired as episode eighteen
of card Captors. I was goingto ask you about that too, like
the original air order that, yeah, really explains a lot of my questions
that I had, but go ahead. Yeah. So, as a result,

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because it's episode eighteen of a seriesthat was already played out of order
to uh, you know, getLee in early, this this episode has
to bend over backwards to explain whySoccer has three cards that she's allowed to
use. But surprisingly, uh,all the versions of Allies that I have,

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none of them make any kind ofattempt to explain why Lee isn't around,
Like he's not in this episode.So that's one of those things that
makes me think that the series wasdubbed in order and then they just sort
of had to change a few thingsalong the way. You mean, like,
do you think they dubbed it originallyin order and then they did a
reshoot, like a reshoot for certainscenes on this one. Yeah, that's

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what That's what I think happened.I think they I think they dubbed this
series like one to seventy, uh, like you know, like it runs,
and then when they were deciding toair it in North America, they
decided to shuffle it around, andyes, as a result, certain episodes
had to be Uh. Certain episodesdo have some alternate takes that I've found

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between like the TV version and theVHS version. Allies is not one of
them. If there is a differenceon the PAL version that plays overseas in
Australia or or the UK, likethe ten ADP versions that we have,
those are the Australian cuts as faras I know, But we still have
the Allies dialogue that's identical to theNorth American. Uh cuts, well,

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we don't have because I don't havea PAL VCR. I can't watch my
UK tapes to see if there's adifferent cut over there. So yeah,
that's the background on this episode.It's available on It's available on the VHS
releases End of Days nor Sorry,no, no, it's it's available on

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the VHS releases for Best of Friends. It's the which is the same on
the North American and the Canadian versions. They are different boxes, but they're
both Best of Friends. That's whereyou can find Allies. So for people
who want to actually get these collectorsand all that, the VHS and DVD
Best of Friends cover the one thatI'm looking at, says DVD I assume

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it's the same one VHS. It'sthe costume from this week, which is
of the water Jester costume. Andthen you see the card that's featured today
behind her. Is that Yeah,okay, yep, that's that's the water
and if you're you're on YouTube,you know there will be a picture of
it. What about the other oneif they want to find it? So
the other one is a red tapewith Socra also in the water costume.

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And also I think Bailing is onthat that on that tape too, because
the other episode is Mailan Story,like two episodes that in the original run
of the series are on like almostas far apart from each other on the
episode timeline as they can possibly bait. That's kind of like Mailan Story.
Mailan Story is like episode forty twoand Allies is this episode like three.

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You know what we need to dothough, is put a list a playlist,
not like a literal playlist. ButI'd always say this a play order
if someone wants to experience it inthe original air order. Does that make
sense? Yeah, I have oneof those. I've made it. It's
it's not easy to follow. Obviously, Wikipedia does have the air dates,

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and you could go you could goby that. You certainly can't go by
the VH Well, actually I guessyou can. You can go by the
VHS order, which is hard enoughto tell because the VHS order doesn't have
episode numbers on them. But whatit does have, at least on the
North American VHS is is there's afive DIVIDU. There's a five digit number
at the bottom of the tape case, so you know, just go sequentially

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there the bigger number the later inthe run. It was for the other
tape you were mentioning, though,the one I'm looking at says bonus featuring
the music video from hit single NoNagging by Froggy Mix, and then it
has a large picture of her CDwhich I own on there and I actually

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like the only I don't have muchof a frame of reference for Froggy Mix
other than my experience with her viacard captors in like the year two thousand.
Does that make sense, Yeah,I have no idea who she is
side of this single thing that Idon't think I've ever actually sat down and
listened to the whole thing of Ohmy god, it's so amazing because it's

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like, first of all, it'san earworm in the sense that it's incredibly
catchy and that's undeniable. It's notlike the highest brow music, so if
that's what you're looking for, No, this is not the Beatles, but
the music video itself. The reasonI love it is because it's like,
if you gave like twelve year oldme fifty grand and was like, you

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get to make a music video inreal life, do whatever you want.
I probably would have done something likethat, we like, frankly, because
that's just the way my life wasat the time, you know. And
it's very over the top. It'sa little bit draggy to me for people
who enjoy that type of thing.But she basically is dressed as or she's

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supposed to like resemble the characters andstuff, and she has backup dancers who
have the actual school uniform from CardcaptorSkora on in the thing. And then
there's the best part of it islike the early two thousand CGI because she's
like doing all this magic and stuff. So go look up the YouTube video
for that if anyone is interested.But that was for some reason tied to

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Card Captors. I still don't reallyknow, why, do you, well,
I had to speculate, and it'sit's simply because of how American media
did things in the nineties and twothousands, where you just sometimes you just
had music collapse with a C listmusician. But that's the pal VHS though.
Yeah, it's on the it's onthe It's on the Canadian one too.

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It's on the Canadian one. Idon't know if it's actually on the
I don't know if it's on thethe USA version. I know it's on
the Canadian version because it's got it'sgot her the little square right there,
so I know I know it's likethat. So, yeah, it was
on something in the American one.It was. It played on TV.
I'm pretty sure it. It playsin the first movie as I think the

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I think the credits song it playsit. That makes sense. I know
it was at the end of something, which was probably I'm thinking it's probably
at the end of the movie VHSand the American one like the first one.
Ye do you know this is aquestion I guess for later. But
since we're talking about it, didany of card captors ever make it to
actual movie theaters in North America?Like the movie either of the movies,

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you know, off the top ofmy head, I don't know. If
I don't know if the first movieever actually debuted in theaters, I would
hazard a guess and say no,because of how poorly the series was doing,
it probably went direct to VHS.You're probably right in my mind.
I'm just like I remember I sawPokemon there, Digimon the Ugo movie.

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I also saw Spirited Away in theaters, so I knew that, like some
of them make it there. Butyeah, I guess not. This would
be fun. Those are four verydifferent calibers of the movie. Got Pokemon
and Ghibli on one side, andyou got the Yu gi Oh movie and
the Digimon monstrosity that over on anotherone, that Digimon movie. It's literally

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like three put together, it is. And actually, did you know that?
Did you hear that? They're actuallygoing to redub the movie with that.
They're bringing the original cast to dubthat movie again. But they're not
going to cut like the thirty minutesout of the movie. Like They're still
going to present the three movies,I think, but it's gonna be a
two hour experience rather than the ratherthan the ninety minute experience that we got.

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I'm here for it because honestly,the Digimon movie I think is fantastic.
But yeah, so they're bringing Theyannounced it at at Odacon this year.
They're bringing back as many of thecast as are available and willing to
do so. I love that.Well, people who listen to our shows
in general, you can expect aspecial on that when that happens, I

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might pop in for Digimon. Ifyou do that, I would. You're
invited to any of that stuff ifyou're into it. I love the Digimon
movie. Anyway, we got totalk about the episode. What is this
we moveing through? This week's cardis watery. It's one of the elemental
cards, and that sounds like agood uh segue into just let's do the
recap of the episode. Okay,Yeah, let's let's try and segment this

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up a little bit. And Isegmented my notes too. Yeah, and
have a little bit of a littlebit of structure here. Hey, guys,
check out these ones. What agreat shot and looks like you band
a new friend, Sakura. Ithink he likes you. So we opened
the episode this week at an aquarium, which I think they did a great

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job animating it. Right off thebat all the animals. It's like a
theme with it. Everything is verydetailed and different, even when it doesn't
really need to be. Yeah,that Madhouse did not skimp on doing the
work here. Yeah, and Ithink this vibe in general is very relatable,
at least for people who grew upmaybe somewhere around aquariums like I did,

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because I'm in a tropical location.But a school trip to an aquarium
is like very real and relatable foranyone who wants to know the inside of
Amanate's mouth is terrifying. I gotto feed one. But yeah, so
I love that this is where thistakes place. It's a It's a nice
location for a card like Watery,and they could have done it anywhere,
you know, It's true in themanga, it's actually in the school pools,

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which actually, like commenting on themanga, this is one of the
only stories that is more or lessuh translated from the manga to the anime,
almost unchanged. Like most of thetime, like the manga stories are
completely rewritten for the anime, butthis is one of the cases where the
story is basically the same other thanthe location. Oh that's interesting what we

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see them watching a show right witha trade. Yeah, the Penguins show
very sea world, and then thisis where we get the first like right
away, very quickly in the episodewe see card interaction and yeah, yeah,
this is where like Watery causes awhirlpool to attack the trainer, which

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already makes me kind of recamp mystatement from the previous episode where I said
that Shadow was one of the mosthostile. I mean it is, don't
get me wrong, but Watery isone of two cards that tries to drown
people. So I mean, likeyou're talking about hostility, I think this
one might actually be way worse.Oh, I agree. And I think
water is an element that people underestimatea lot for how violent and destructive it

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can be a surfer, right,or anyone who's like been near the ocean.
But still it is and and Ithink oftentimes it can be portrayed as
something gentle in fantasy, when Ithink having it be more aggressive is probably
a lot more realistic to the element. Yeah, and Watery is absolutely like,

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like, when you actually get tosee water, you could see how
vicious she is. He's like thismermaid thing with fangs, like it's she
is one of the most aggressive lookingcards and as saught. She like,
yeah, her her mad instinct isto drown people. I love the both
penguins anything anything alive, it seemslike. And I love that you mentioned
the fangs because whenever I think ofWatery I immediately zoom in on the mouth

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for some reason, because it's likeit's that like snarl things it does,
you know, they like to showit. Yeah. And then right after
that though, after like the Trainergets saved by her brother. Yeah,
bye Toy and Tory. Yeah,one of his the first of many part
time jobs we see Tori having ishere at the aquarium. I was going

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to ask he doesn't he just workeverywhere? He has the most diverse employment
history of the series. Yeah,he could. He could get any job
by the time he's thirty because he'sgot so much experience. Yeah, it
makes you wonder, like why hecan't keep a job either. Well,
he probably just intentionally. It's probablylike some weird magical instinct where he's like,

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I just have to be here.I don't know why, and then
it's like that happens, I don'tknow coincidentally. Yeah, but we we
just cut home right after that.It's Curt goes right home. She's in
the kitchen talking with Kiro about uh, She's talking to Kiro about the interaction.
And this is a moment where Ikind of want to comment on the
change between like the sub and thedub, which is that the tone of

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the conversation is still the same,but also Kiro kind of comes off as
more uh, lackadaisical or doesn't reallycare that much. It's like, Kiro,
a woman almost drowns, Like,yeah, yeah, pancakes place,
one of the pancakes gonna be ready, constorming. Hasn't anyone ever told you
that patience is a virtue? I'mserious, Caro, pay attention for a

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second. Something really weird happened todayat the aquarium. Okay, okay,
I'm listening. Not sorry, upwith the peg gags, will you.
I actually didn't think about that,but I think I know why they did
that. They don't want kids tothink too hard about the fact that someone
could have drowned. And it's likethey're trying to distract a little, I

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think, from the seriousness of it, because yeah, in fact, they
are small children. They don't eventalk about the fact that a trainer almost
rowned. They talk about the penguinalmost round hero a penguin and his trainer
almost drowned today. What happened?There was a whirlpool in the tank.
They said that the drain plug mayhave come out, but I didn't see

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the water level change, all right. Yeah, well, although that is
a very childlike point of view,it's like, worry about the animal,
fair enough their kids. But yeah, But what I did like about it
though, because she makes pancakes,and this whole conversation happens while she's cooking

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and then eating and you and youget this very against studio ghibliesque thing with
her cutting the pancake and giving somefluffy pancakes. It looks so good.
And then that added to Kiro's like, like you were saying, his kind
of goofiness in this moment a little, And I thought the nuance what it
does is it gives us some characterdevelopment while delivering plot at the same time,

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which I thought it was sort ofsmart for sure. Yeah, but
they figure out that it's the waterycard here, right, Yeah, like,
well, yeah, they after Toricomes home and she has to toss
him up the stairs. It cutsto their conversation in her room where yes
kiro comes out blatantly or straight upit just says, yeah, that's a
water card. You know what Iwas thinking about the incident at the aquarium.

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You see the pin and the traineralmost drowned. Penguins are strong swimmers
and the trainers there are naturals inthe water, and even if the drain
did open up, it shouldn't havehad enough power to keep them both down,
which makes me think it must havebeen something else the water hard like,
which seems self explanatory. But again, Soccer doesn't know what cards are
which, and Cairo does know whatall of the cards are, so he

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puts two and two together very quickly. It's not it's not really a mystery.
Yeah, which also, I mean, what else would it have been?
I don't know, like there iswell there is a wave card,
so you know you could have beenthat, but it wasn't right, uh.
And then it goes into the wholerule thing for this episode, which

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is them bending over backwards like youwere saying to explain why she can only
use Windy Fly or Shadow. Keepersof the Cloud will be right back.

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Keepers of the Cloud continues. Now, Yes, but remember Secura, you
may only use two in unison.Yes, this is this is the part
that I figured might have been changedin other versions where you got to see
all of the episodes or in order, but instead, since this is episode
eighteen, they set up that rulewhere it's like, you can only use

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your three ally cards, your yourcards that you've had the longest, even
though again, when you watch thisin the proper order, this is episode
three, you can only use thosecards because you only have three. Yeah,
and then we get the flashback toher capturing each one, and this
is where you really feel that choicebecome a detriment for the first time in

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a heavy way, because it takesa while, and if you're watching it
in order, you just saw it. So it's like even us because we're
recording weeks art and we've missed weeksin between, so it's been, you
know, a while, and evenI'm sitting there like, oh my god,
come enough already, I know,like I thought, that was the
first instance where I really felt itbe sort of a big negative for me,

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you know. Yes, counterpoint though, like I said, this is
episode eighteen, and also more importantlyso you'll remember that One Faithful Day was
episode twenty one and the shadow Cardsepisode was never aired at all. So
actually this was like, if youwere watching this in the original order,
this was the first time you actuallygot to see any of that footage like

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this, these flashbacks were the firsttime you ever got to see them,
which was it is therefore is actuallya nice addition on their part because by
the way, these flashbacks are notin the subversion. These are added.
These are added for car captors.That's true. And now that you say
that, because I have seen thisepisode before as a kid, before I
saw the whole thing, I didn'tnotice like they did a I didn't clock

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that they were making these like oh, the rule is to explain this and
the flashbacks are because it's out oforder, Like I never noticed any of
that. I just went with it, you know. So like to their
credit, if you are not awareof the situation it plays, I think
like it should if you're watching itin their order, you know. Yeah,
credit to the editor. They theyactually worked the flashbacks in quite seamlessly

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with the footage that was already there, with like Kiro walking around like waving
his hand and be like, okay, so you only got these three cards,
you gotta do you gotta do thisand this like remember you know Shadow,
remember this one. It's yeah,you're right, like you know,
when you're watching it in order now, it just feels silly. It's like,
yes, I know, we justsaw these episodes, and it does.

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It does. I will say,it does feel a little plopped in
regardless, you know, it's likebut other than that, Yeah, after
this flashback scenario, we cut backto the school and Sakura and Madison are
there together and she's trying to figureout what strategy she's going to use.
Knowing that this was a change,you can kind of see how it's like

(28:10):
they really had to carry it throughoutthe whole episode. But trying to watch
it from the mindset of this isactually episode eighteen, it's just kind of
fun. Like that she strategizes inthis way and that there are these rules,
it almost makes it more like there'smysterious magical requirements at play that we
don't understand yet. You know,yes, when you say that, because

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yes, they add that. Theyadd a second rule that we didn't mention,
like Kiro says that you're allowed toonly use two of them, which
is completely arbitrary. But yes,like you said, it comes off like
there are rules and whatever that wearen't aware of, because Kiro even specifically
says that this is a test forher and she has to figure out.

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So Yeah, during this scene,she's pacing around, like, you know,
listing the three cards in order,like which which two can work together
for this even though again that's therule of two is completely arbitrary. In
this case, it is and itadds an aspect to it of strategy that
sometimes can be lacking and shows likethis where it's just like, let's try

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all our powers and see what works, you know, and for I think
because there are so many cards,strategy probably comes into play a lot in
this show. Is Yeah, thisis an episode that really shows soccer like
having to think on our feet,be creative. Well, and it's interesting
that she's identified the enemy, likethe episodic enemy, but she has this

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sort of school period to think about, like what is she going to do
And it's not like wateries out theredrowning animals or anything. Well, and
it's it's I don't know, itjust feels like a unique sort of pacing
that doesn't happen that often in thistype of anime. For some reason,
maybe I'm wrong, but that's theit's I like it. I'm trying to
say. I enjoy that she getsthis moment of strategizing. And also I

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have to note this Madison whips outthese cell phones, which are going to
be how the two of them communicate. Hey, I almost forgot. My
mom gave me samples of the latestcell phone supposed to have much better reception.
One for you. And here's onetrick, kiro see in that coup
yup the didog cell phone. Yeah? Those yeah, they're from her.

(30:29):
Those are from her company. Theydon't go into a lot of explanation of
how they work. But like thiswas Japan in the late nineties, that
the year the anime takes place atnineteen ninety eight, where cell phone technology
in Japan actually already existed. Solike the fact that a couple of ten
year olds have it is cool andout of the ordinary, but like the
technology itself is actually not like anachronisticfor the time. It's right, which

(30:52):
I actually didn't know. And alsoit kind of makes sense then to why
other things that are a little olderwill use cell phones a lot. In
a similar way, like the liveaction version of Sailor Moon, which is
kind of fun and goofy, butthere's like a there's like a cell phone
magical cell phone element to it aswell. Uh, I don't know.
I thought the design for them wasreally really cute. I liked, how

(31:15):
would what do they look like?How would you describe it? Why?
They're the little pink boxes. Iactually own a physical, the toy version
of it from Bandai, but they'relittle. They're little pink like boxy phones,
kind of like no kias with afixed antenna, and I think there's
like a heart on the earpiece basically, so like it's a very girly phone,
which is appropriate for a girl show. Girl show quote unquote. I

(31:40):
mean it's a show Joe anime.It's the demo. The demo is what
it is. Well at the It'sone of those things though that when we
were growing up this they were tryingto make it in everyone show, but
stuff like Sailor Moon and Car Captorslargely was a quote girl show, like
based on mainstreams culture and views atthe time. Right today, it's whatever

(32:05):
like anyone. It's an anyone show, I think, but it really was.
I wish you could have seen myphase when you said you had when
I was just like, oh,what's It's one of the more expensive things
in my collection. They're rare.I imagine it's like supposed to have like
beeping and working sound effects, andlike it does it. It has,
It has a soundboard and I don'tknow what any of it says. I

(32:27):
haven't listened to it in a while, but yes, it does, it
does speak. That's Okwad's voys comethrough it. Oh my god. I'm
gonna be tuning into the video versionsjust for the merged section like segments myself.
So that'll be fun. And I'mexcited to see that because it really
is cute and I think anyone wholoves the show would that would be a
great I don't know, a greatpiece to look for. I think we

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already spoke about the test thing thatkind of that comes up here a little
bit more. Yeah, I thinkthe next thing to really talk about is
the fact that is the fact thatSoccerboard goes to the aquarium. Uh.
Yeah, she's going to quote unquotedo research. I'm on my way to
the aquarium. I'll call you whenI get back by Because there's a huge
cut from this episode I don't knowwant to I don't know if I want

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to talk about it now, ifI want to talk about it. You
know, when we get to thesection about uh, you know, talking
about what's different, we can doboth. Let's do it the do the
like the broad strokes now, Likefirst, like first off, you said
earlier you had questions. Did younotice that there was a big awkward cut
in this episode. I mean itwas hard to say because they put those
flashbacks in the middle, so itkind of throws everything off a little.

(33:36):
Yeah, they had to, hthey cut out about six minutes of this
episode, and those those flashbacks arefilling in. But yeah, this section
is basically what they cut. It'sI'm assuming it's because it's supposed to be
a date between her and Julian.Yes, so this is where. Yeah,
so in the in the sub whenSoftware is on her way back from

(33:57):
school, she actually she accidentally runsinto Ukito, and that's where Yukito invites
her to go to the aquarium withhim, Whereas that entire sequence is cut
from Card Captors. Hence, basicallythe dialogue is that Soccer comes up with
the idea to just go to theaquarium herself, and when we get to

(34:19):
Allies, when she's at the aquarium, she just coincidentally runs into Julian.
What are you doing here? Oh? Just looking for me too. Come
on, I'll buy you some icecream. Oh great, the biggest Sundays
in town, and now he isit's great or hilarious because in Allies,

(34:40):
basically Julian becomes an obstacle for herbecause like Soccer's dialogue implies that she's trying
to get away from Julian so thatshe can do research. Whoa, look
at the size of that one.Shouldn't we be getting that ice cream?
What's the hurry? Nothing? Ijust really like ice I mean, look

(35:00):
how graceful they are. I couldwatch them all day, all day.
Whereas you know, the original subis like she's excited to be here with
Yukitou. So yeah, it's uh, this is this is probably like,
like I said, this is oneof the biggest changes that had to be
made, like for an episode.I definitely noticed something was up. I

(35:23):
could definitely tell they were supposed tobe on a date and they were trying
to hide it that as an adultI could tell. I did not.
I don't think I clocked that asa kid, I actually find the whole
idea of her trying to get awayfrom him sort of entertaining. Yeah,
so I don't think it's that negative, but I I get why they had

(35:45):
to edit it out at the time. Yeah, it's not even like she's
trying too hard to get away fromhim. It's basically just that, like
he says something to the can ofman, I could just watch these fish
for hours, and she's like hours. Oh my god, I gotta get
away from you. It's like,yeah, stuff do Yeah, it's it's
stuff like that. And otherwise thatsegment all plays more or less normally.

(36:07):
When they go to the to thebig cafeteria that's got the giant aquarium tube
in it, and they're gonna goand they're gonna go have ice cream,
which in the subit's shaved ice whereasit's ice cream here. I guess just
because ice cream is more ubiquitous overin North America. It's big dairy.
Oh my god, I have athing about it. I'll talk about it

(36:27):
later. Oh please. Uh.But yeah, that's that's how that goes.
And you know, it goes throughlike funny enough, they leave in
the segment where I man, youhave to you couldn't cut out the segment
where the glass breaks, a wholeplace floods, Soccer almost gets drowned.
Yeah, Like, you couldn't reallycut that, and Julian has you know,

(36:50):
fire acts to the rescue. Keepersof the Clown will return after these
messages, and no, we returnedto Keepers of the Clown see okay,

(37:39):
And even the way they cut that, you don't know that it's Julian grabbing
the axe like it looks like it'sgonna be tor the way they cut it
all until at the end they revealedthat it was him. Yeah, I
guess it's just they. I thinkthey like, I don't know if that
was intentional or not, but Iremember rewinding three or four times to be
like, who the hell is grabbingthe acts? Like I cannot figure it

(38:00):
out. I've never really thought aboutit, but it's been so long since
my first exposure to the scene.Who knows, I've Yeah, my original
impression would have been I think it. I don't know. This is where
the pacing does start to feel alittle bit off kiltered to me, because,
yeah, for this episode specifically,just like I don't know that,

(38:22):
do you know what it's interesting.Not, well, I guess not,
because this is like this entire segmentis more or less uncut. So your
problem with the pacing there is pacingwith the original, I guess. No,
I mean like getting to there becausehaving them cut out everything that they
did before it it's like suddenly we'rewith Julian and her having ice cream,
you know what I'm saying, Like, you get to that point so much

(38:44):
faster than in the original. That'swhere the nalvon and pacing, That's what
I mean. It's like I'm startingto feel you're building up the time with
Julian, or rather you're not buildingit up because you've cut out, you
know, three years. You alsocut out three minutes of him earlier in
the episode during the pancake scene becausehe really yeah, because he's in see
you didn't notice he did not catchthat because he is. He just doesn't

(39:07):
matter, apparently not. But no, there's there's a whole scene where Soccer
makes pancakes for Tory and Julian.She carries them to Tory's room, and
there's a there's a little moment wherelike where Soccer gets to swoon over him,
and yeah, they cut that allout because you know, Carcaptors doesn't
have affection in it, even thoughlike I have a bumper for the tsunami

(39:32):
thing that says, like for socceravalon life was just school working boys?
Does everyone know what their assignments are? Really? Because the when you cut
the series, you definitely cut outall of the lovey dovey stuff, right,
I pulled that bumper earlier today too. That was so funny. You're

(39:55):
right they did, And Frank,I mean, I don't miss I'm not
gonna lie. I don't. Yeah, I don't miss it either. But
I mean that's one of the thingsthat people really get mad about. It's
like you cut out all the stuffwith Yukito. It's like you, but
did it actually hurt the plot?I don't think in this case. Listen,
people can just feel free to disagreebecause I know people have their strong

(40:17):
opinions, but yeah, personally,it's I don't I've never been into Card
Captors for the romance. It's alwaysbeen for the magic and the strategy and
the adventure. This is why youand I like Card Captors and why no
one else does. Yes, probably, but I've had experiences where I'm watching
the original and there are certain sceneswhere I'm just like, I don't need

(40:42):
all this. It's like too muchfluff for me. Yeah, and I'm
like, I'm a hopeless romantic.I love show Joe. But at the
same time, it's just like,like I said, like you said,
you didn't notice that it was missing, and the plot doesn't miss it either,
Like it doesn't it just doesn't matter. No, Well, let's get
on to more important things then,because yeah, let's talk about catching the

(41:05):
water car. Yeah screw Julian kidding. So so, yeah, they get
they cut to the Soccer has herlittle brain blast, and so it cuts
to later that night where they're sneakinginto the aquarium, which is a great
sequence, like the sneaking in,the the lowering of water, and then

(41:30):
the entire chase through the aquarium.That is that's peak card captor, Soccer
peak card captors. I was gonnasay, this is probably one of my
favorite captures. Yeah, it's it'sa great capture because, like I said,
fundamentally, it shows off Soccer's uh, you know, outside the box
thinking and the strategy that she hasto come up with with her very limited

(41:52):
resources. It's why I like theseries as it is because she has a
limited toolbox, a limited spell set, and she has to make it work.
And she also demonstrates a lot ofbravery and in a way that is
like I appreciate a lot because thereis something like Watery is such an aggressive
and dangerous card and it's already triedto kill the penguin and her yea and

(42:15):
that lady I guess too, yeah, and you know, and a panquin.
Yeah. But so it's like andand she goes out at knowing like
she really doesn't have that many optionsand she has to have her strategy correct
or she could potentially get really hurtor die. I'm assuming she's aware.
Yeah, probably that's she probably doesn'tthink about it too much, but yeah,

(42:36):
it's definitely a it's definitely a door die kind of moment for and
let's break down for people who wantto know, like how the strategy goes
down, Like what does she ultimatelydo to catch right? So the strategy
is simply, uh, get getwater to chase her and then she fly.

(42:58):
Then she just has to let itdown to the basement level where there
is a giant walk in freezer,where she then uses Windy too. Simply
guide Watery into the freezer, slamthe door shut, and then Windy just
you know, kicks up a blizzardthat freezes water solid so that it can
be held in place long enough forher to seal it. And I thought

(43:22):
the duance of this is something thatthere's a serendipitous moment to us recording this
today, which I'll get into ina second. But I love in anime
win It is a magical show thatfocuses on powers and like stuff like that,
but then they also utilize the environmentand real life tactile things as part

(43:43):
of it. Like we saw thatwith Shadow and Madison turning the lights on.
Here they're utilizing the walk in freezer, which at it kind of gives
Windy almost like if you want tothink about it in RPG terms, a
boost or allows her, right,it gives her a terrain advantage. Yeah,
Yeah, And I love that stuffso much because it's kind of like,

(44:07):
well, I have these abilities,but it's I'm more than it becomes
more than just centered on the character, and they well, how can I
play off of my environment? Howcan I use this to my advantage?
And it just adds another layer thatI really appreciate a lot. Yeah.
Absolutely, Yeah, that's definitely likekids. Like I said, she uses

(44:27):
her tools. By the way,you're a music teacher, so I want
you, I want to ask youwhat you think of the music that is
playing during this uh, during thistrack or like during the chase and it

(44:54):
who I enjoy mostly all of thenumb Ona music. I would have to
go back, can rewatch the sceneto get the specific track. Oh,
you don't remember that. It's gotsuch a good I had to look this
up and it's it's a very ninetieship hop boots and cats, boots and
cats, uh uh uh like rhythmgoes. It's it's great. I'm gonna

(45:17):
play some of it, do itover this part. But it's just this
was one of those moments where Iwas watching uh because again I like to
watch Cardcaptors, but this was amoment where I really started to settle in
and be like, wow, thisthis soundtrack is actually really good. Cardcaptors
is a good soundtrack. Why doesno one talk about this? I agree?

(45:39):
And I have some of the backgroundmusic because it was never released officially
where somebody pulled out the overlaying likeuh dialogue, so it's not very good
quality. But I think the reasonis they have some really standout tracks,
but from what I was able tofind, it's extremely limited. It seems

(45:59):
like they made like seven to tenand that was it. Maybe, so
in which case, I hope Ihear those tracks some more. We will,
And I think what they did wasthey recycled the tracks in a really
clever way and probably spliced them togetherin a way that was smart, and
they probably played with speeding up andslowing down in certain instances. But yeah,
no, I think musically Card Captorsis very strong. It's one of

(46:23):
the things that I always come backto for it. I've used some of
the music Stings and Moonstar just becauseI like them to try and like throw
nostalgia moments at people, and Iincluded some of it in the If people
listen on the podcast feed, someof the songs we're talking about are showing
up sort of here and there.So yeah, like I had to look

(46:45):
it up since since we recorded episodeone. At least the title theme was
done by a musician named David Dorey, I believe is how you pronounce his
name. I've reached out to himfor for any comment about car Captors.
It's been about a month and Ihaven't got anything, so I mean,
like, might as well send anotherone. Yeah, but so far,

(47:07):
I don't know if he's responsible forthe rest of the music in the series
or if it was licensed music.But yeah, that so I just want
to throw that name out there,at least that that's who wrote the original
Car Captors theme. He may havebeen responsible for some of the other music,
in which case I just want tosay he was on points because he
was. The Card Captors soundtrack isgood, and I think it deserves for

(47:28):
the soundtrack alone. I think Cardcaptorsdeserves more respect for sure. I think
it stands up next to the SailorMoon soundtrack in a way where Sailor Moon
got a lot more content. Butthis, like the really the songs that
hit really well from Card Captors arejust as good as some of the stuff
from the Deep version of Sailor Moon, and that one is known as having

(47:50):
some of the strongest soundtrack like nine, you know, specific to the nineties
version of these animes. Yeah,yeah, I think that. I absolutely
not. I couldn't tell you specificallywhich track it is, but I'm sort
of pulling up a few in myhead and if it's the one I'm thinking
of, it's it was a greatchoice for that moment with Watery. Yeah,
it's great. It's just it madethe entire sequence really work. And

(48:12):
to say not to dump on theoriginal track, like the original soundtrack for
Cardcaptor Soccer is great too, it'sa it's a good soundtrack. I just
want to say, I think theCard Captors soundtrack actually does the series more
justice than people give it credit forit. I think it carries the series
more well. I have to agreebecause I've seen the original Card Captors too,

(48:36):
and like other than the theme song, I really can't pull any of
the original soundtrack up just in mymind on a whim. It probably has
something to do with the fact we'vebeen watching this version, but I can
usually pull up something from Card Captorspretty easily, like it's more memorable.
It's well, I would argue that'sprobably just more of a a recency bias

(48:58):
thing and an exposure bias, becauselike I can do, I'm pretty sure
I know what the song that wentwith this in the in the sub is,
which I will place right now,but I'm pretty sure it's the it's
the one that's kind of brassy.Y's the thing, I think most of
this music was synthesized, so Ihave no idea what instruments were used,

(49:19):
if at all. I don't knowif this I don't know if this anime
had a orchestra. I'm guessing mostof it was. I'm thinking most of
it was synthesized, but actually don'tbecause I can usually pull a fake instrument
like very easily with my ear,and I think there is some synthesis to
a lot of the beats and likethe drum and stuff like that. But

(49:39):
when we are hearing strings, I'mnot hearing any synthesized strings, so I
would have to go back and doublecheck. But I really don't think so
fair enough, And I think anypiano we're hearing is real, and I
would guess that means they had afull orchestra, or at least like a
chamber orchestra where it was like becausethere's different sizes you can get. You

(50:00):
know, I will absolutely take yourword on that, because again, my
expertise as card captors not music well, and I've recorded strings before and like
a recording booth for a friend's bandand all that, so I kind of
I know, I don't know,Like there's something really like lifeless about Midy,
like fake instruments, and I don'tfeel much of that from from the
cardcaptors thing. But they add alot of effects over it. Do you

(50:22):
know what I'm saying. Yeah,it's like very It's like I don't know,
it's like magic sound effects. LikeI don't know what else you explain
it, Like that woosh, likeall the wooshing and the dings and the
there's a lot of bells and stuff. Yeah, we need to well,
Cairo's corner there. Yeah, wecan talk about Cairo's corner. Keepers of

(50:43):
the Cloud will be right back.Keep the Off the Cloud continues now test

(51:05):
various skills on Sakura. He talksabout the test thing and then shows a
recap of what just happened, whichin an already recap heavy episode. By
the time that one was airing,I was like enough already, Yeah,
I know, I literally just sawthis two minutes ago. You don't have
to talk about it talking about thecostume please exactly, which let's do that
because I love this costume. Whatdoes it look? This is a much

(51:27):
better like composition. Why it's interestingbecause like composition wise, this costume has
a lot of the same has alot of same elements of the previous costume
that I said was a three becauseit's off balance, But this one,
which I believe is generally referred toas the Jester costume, has a much
better balance because, yes, it'sstill got that, It's still got basically

(51:52):
the swimsuit look, but it takesaway the cape and replaces it with those
those kind of like dress trails,and takes away the long socks and puts
them as short boots. So Ithink there's a there's more composition. That's
kind of like if I say thatit centers the clothing kind of more on
her center of mass and moves thehat and the boots to their extremes.

(52:15):
So like there's a better there's abetter balance between the elements on this costume.
The proportions are much better in thesense that the boots only come up.
They're like I don't know, likehigh tops, like like like shoes,
you know what. Yeah, they'relike these I think actually have some
heel to them, but like notlike not a high heel. They're like
they're like one inch heels probably,well, yeah, but that still adds

(52:38):
a shape. And then the factbecause the other ones we had a problem
with the socks came up really reallyfar. And she had the swimsuit silhouette,
which, like I was saying,gives her the weird like tiny leg
effect. Yeah, this one that'sjust all let like, it's just leg,
and then boot and then again youhave like the what appears to be
a swimsuit base, which is thesame as the previous one. It makes

(53:00):
me wonder if early on Tomoyo waslike recycling elements or the costumes themselves were
modular. But that's me thinking toomuch about No, I love thinking about
that, you know, the howwould this work in real life? It's
like, absolutely, I don't carehow how rich Tomoyo is. She'd probably
either reuse pieces from other costumes orjust like I said about, you know,

(53:24):
she's bought a bunch of sneakers andmodifies them. She probably bought you
know, a case of blue swimsuits, yeah, and uses those as a
base. I imagine she has verymuch like a closet full of pieces that
get like put together as she needssomething else. I think the reason or
one of the reasons I think thisworks so well too is the theme of
points, Like there's pointing like thepointed ends two ends on the hat and

(53:49):
then the dress comes down into themultiple points that has had the gold bobbles
on it. But then there's alsoin some images there's like the boots toe
comes to a point and then ithas gold babble on it. So carrying
the illustration, yeah, but carryingthat theme all the way through is like
really pleasing to look at when you'retalking about costume design and stuff. Yeah,

(54:10):
this costume just kind of has whichis interesting for me because I didn't
like this costume as much a longtime ago, but it has definitely grown
on me as one of the better, more iconic costumes. It's for me,
it's one that if I was evergonna like do cause play, I
would probably modify a version of thisand like make it a little more friendly

(54:35):
for myself. But the theme,like the general theme of it, the
colors and the like baubles and all, I don't know, it's what it's
If not my favorite, it's oneof my favorites from the series. Yeah,
I can definitely see why this oneis well liked and appears at a
lot of art like this one.This one shows up a lot. Well,
we went over the specific Nelvana dubchanges in d tail with the recap,

(55:00):
but do you want to just kindof bullet point them for people?
Yeah? Yeah, I really wantedto. But at the same time,
you're right, Uh, it kindof it kind of needed to come up
at times which we've already covered.Like I said that the stuff that was
excised you didn't notice. But basicallyall of the scenes that were removed were

(55:21):
all of the Yukito scenes. Sothe the scene in the scene in the
house where she brings a pancakes,the scene where she bumps into him,
and then uh, and then theyarrange the date, like the date.
Uh, that's that's all cut out. Hence the basically all the elements of
the heart pounding first date, partof the type of the Japanese title are
cut out so that the focus isjust on the capturing the watery card.

(55:46):
Yeah yeah, which yeah, Likethis is an episode that probably has,
by a rough estimate, about sixminutes of the original footage removed, and
that's why, while it is helpfulfor the narrative, that's also why they
had to throw in like four orfive minutes of recaps from other episodes just
to get the episode back up toan terrible time. It explains why the

(56:07):
recaps were so long. Yeah,they they had to fill in like four
or five minutes of footage because,like I said, they cut out six
and it Fortunately the stuff that theyinserted at least served a purpose. Yeah,
and I would say that, isthis the first episode we've encountered where

(56:27):
I think I would have to Yeah, these are this is the first episode
we've encountered where the knowing that thereare cuts, they were noticeable to me,
you know they were. Yeah,you did say they were noticeable,
but you also couldn't really say,like you know what was cut, Like,
yeah, you didn't miss them whenthey were gone. You just noticed
that there was a big hole somewhere, and you're like, we don't really

(56:47):
care what went in the hole.It's just you just notice it's there,
and I don't. It's one ofthe products of because I know that I'm
looking for it, but when Ididn't, I wasn't. And as a
that's why I'm saying, like,when I was younger, I really don't
remember anything standing out as missing fromthis episode to me from my memories so
that to them, you know,like we said before, we give them

(57:10):
some credit. Are youbody to ratethe episode? Yeah? I mean I
could talk about more of the littlescenes that get cut, but I'll probably
just kind of like throw them in. Like they're not like full scenes,
they're just like moments, Like there'sa there's an image of Soccer running through
the aquarium all excited to go seethe penguins, Which, why'd you cut

(57:30):
it? It was cute? Oh, Like, it's just it's silly.
It's not necessary, but it's animation. Nothing is necessary, So why why
cut it? Like, I don'tknow, why why not leave it?
Yeah? The only element that Ithink is the reason for is it's another
It's another example of the series tryingto trying to make Soccer, who let's

(57:52):
be clear, here is a tenyear old, make her seem less childish.
Yeah, which is baffling from afrom an from a marketing standpoint,
but again, this is a thiswas a series, and they tried to
edit so that it could be aboy and girl show. And part of
what went into that was trying totake away some of Sokra's hut moments where

(58:15):
she's just being a normal ten yearold girl and tried to tried to toughen
her up a little bit. Yeah, a Sakura Avalon is a totally different
character. Is absolutely she is absolutelya different character. That's like I said
it. I think in the firstepisode everyone's a jerk and card captors Sokra.

(58:37):
Avalon is definitely more assertive, andI wouldn't say abrasive, but she
definitely is a little more snippy thanSokara Kinamoto. She definitely I like that
in her character. I think that'swhy I responded to her at a young
age specifically, and I still aswe're watching show now, I find myself

(59:00):
responding to that aspect of her characterin a positive way. I don't think
that her being a true ten yearold as necessarily a negative thing either though,
but it is just different, youknow, it is different. There's
a moment in the series where Ithink is the quintessential you know, change
to her character that really shows offthe difference between Quinamoto and Avalon. But

(59:21):
that's like twenty episodes away, sowe you know, we won't get it.
We will get there. There's anothermoment that is only like four episodes
away, and the in Lee's debutepisode the actual Card Captors episode one,
so stay tuned for that. We'lldiscuss it. Yeah, which I'm excited
to get to that too, becauseas we're going, I'm starting to like

(59:42):
try to piece together the experience ofwatching it in the original air order,
which is the not correct order.So again to remind everyone, this episode
would have been number eighteen, notthree. Yes, we could make a
we could make like a big timelineor something that actually shows, like,
you know, I think I wouldthe Cardcaptors count versus the Cardcaptor Soccer account

(01:00:02):
versus the Cardcaptor's count, because onthe episode guide right now, the way
I have it set up, Ihave a spot where it says originally aired
out quote out of order as episodeblank, and then it'll say, like
you know, I might just changeit to like the Nelvana air order or
something, but yeah, that's mychart just goes like Cardcaptor Soccer episode this,

(01:00:22):
Card Captor's episode this. But thenthe air dates are different though,
right they are. But I alsodon't give much credence to that because like
the original air dates were like theoriginal air dates I think were June two
thousand on Kids WB, but thenthey aired on Toonami I think in two
thousand and two, and Tunami mayor may not have played additional episodes.

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I never caught it on Tounami,so I actually where. I didn't know
it was on too Nami until Ifound the bumper from it today. Yep,
that's like roll a bumper. Ithink, yeah, roll the bumper.

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We should do that to get intothe some segment. But yeah,
but yeah, so air dates arehelpful. But just as easily know,
I just used the I just usedthe numbers on the back of the tapes
to right. The sequence in thetapes is generally how I just go with
it, right, right? Isthere anything else we need to add about

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the episode, like changes or anything? Nothing else about There's nothing important about
the changes? Uh yeah, thoseare all the major ones. So yeah,
I think we can talk about ratingthe episode in the costume Okay,
I guess I'll go first on therating. Today, I give the episode
a three point five out of five. I would have rated it higher,

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but the recap section was really alot for me. For some reason,
today, I felt like kind ofa vacuum of fun. I don't know
why. It hit like that badin the moment and I, like I
said earlier, I think it setsthe rest of the pacing after that point
to feel a little bit haphazard andfast, and then it made the card

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capture itself feel fast even though andI don't think it was compared to other
card captures, but it was,like I think I was sort of still
jarred from like the jerking around ofthe editing a little positives though I really
thought the design for the aquarium wascute outside and inside. I really enjoy
that, and I like that inepisode three already we're not like repeating locations

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a lot. They already are changingthe scenery quite often, for sure.
So yeah, the episode as awhole, to Alvana, it gets a
three point five. I would Iwould like to rate it higher, but
I just the editing was a littlebit of a bummer for me. All
Right, Well, I will goahead and rate it higher for you because
I'm gonna get of it. Iwould say I'm gonna give it a four

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because a it's working off a verystrong episode. But at going rating this
purely by the Nelvana thing. Yes, the recaps were repetitive because of where
we watched it, but if yougo by the context, of the original
air order. You know, thesewere the first This was the first time
you would have ever seen that footage, so it was it served a valuable

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purpose for people who were watching itin the original order, so it wouldn't
have hurt as badly. And Ialso want to give it praise that for
an episode that had six ish minutescaught out of it, you barely notice,
which I think is just a creditto the quality of the editing.
So, like I said, I'mgonna give it a four, four out
of five, four out of five. What do you guys rate this episode?

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Post a comment. If you're watchingus on YouTube, just comment right
there. If you're listening to thepodcast feed, we're going to be posting
every time we drop an episode onFacebook, So comment on a Facebook post
or leave us a five star reviewand let us know they're what you would
give this episode? And why?What about the costume? So I've already
gushed about the costume and definitely giventhis one a five. Like this this

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one has the greatest, not thegreatest, but it has excellent composition.
The color scheme is there's really onlylike three colors on it, and I
am I am a sucker for simplicity. Uh yeah, I've already said what
I can about this costume. It'sgreat, right, same, five five
five, We're just a five billionfives for this costume. I only want

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to mark that. I would Iwould only mark this one down simply because
my favorite costume is next episode.But you know, I'll just give that
one a six. Well you can, we can give them like, deem
them a favorite. So I'm gonnadeem this in Alex's favorite and you can
save your favorite. Oh, I'mdefinitely, but there are other ones.

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Yeah, so people know when it'sa favorite, you give it the five
stars and then it gets like aspecial effect where all the stars glow.
That's what you get, like agold border around it when it's a favorite.
Exactly what are you gonna say?No, that was it? I
was I was gonna say, like, like I said, just give it
a gold border on a card orsomething like like a little a little costume
card. Put the five stars andthen shiny. Yeah. I should remember

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to add what we rate them ontothat episode guide too, and then maybe
I can figure out how to puta comment spot. I don't know,
I don't know if you put itin the comments, then people will be
able to see it before listening.You're right, never mind, you guys
have to listen to the episode,too bad. No, no spoilers for
all the spoilers about Cardcaptor soccro thatI give all the time, because I

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am coming from this from a positionof assuming that people are not watching the
Cardcaptors podcast completely blind to Cardcaptor Soccer. No. I assume most of the
audience is somewhere in between the twoof us, where they probably have slightly
more recent firsthand knowledge of Card CaptorSoccer than I do, but they probably

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remember a lot less than you do. Probably. Yeah, and I'm yeah,
I'm going with the assumption that mostpeople probably only saw Card Captors once
twenty years ago and never again becauseit's never been on VHS or streaming or
DVD or anything. Uh, Andmost people probably digested it once uh found

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the original, decided they really didn'tlike Card Captors in hindsight, and decided
to just blank it from their memories. Yeah. Well, we're here to
say that it still is good onits own, and you guys should watch
it when you find it, becauseit's out if for no other for no
other reason than the music. Yeah, unfortunately existing like this is a great
cast, Like it's a shame thatthis series is brated as much as it

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is when it had good talent behindit it. Well, Listen, people
need things to complain about, frankly, so like it's just what your wheel.
People look at what their bubble isand then they pick a thing.
And if if Card Captors is partof your world and it's like an easy
target for you to complain about,it's going to be the thing. You

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know. It's kind of like inthe sailor Moon fandom there's there used to
be a lot of fighting. Ohare you watching the dub or the sub?
Like that was always a big thing. Like there's always something there is
and I described it before. Nowyou know, Car Captors gets a bad
rap because it cuts out a lotof the romance, which is what people
like about Car Captors. Sokra andI think that it's the removal of that

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element is what bleeds over into basicallypeople writing off the rest of the series,
like not willing to look at thethings that the series does well and
only focuses on the part that wasremoved. Yeah, well, and they
need to remember too, that thereare a lot of people out there who
like a lot of the aspects ofCard Captors but are not necessarily watching it

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for the romance, and it doessort of cater to that group of people.
Really well, that this unpopular opinionon my part, but I don't
actually think that Cardcaptor SOCCRA is thatmuch of a romance series. It's not.
From what I feel like, peopleplay it up so much more than
it really is. Yeah, butdon't get me wrong, it's definitely there.

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It is a theme. It's thecurtains in a very lovely room,
but it's not the main attraction.Well, it's not the couch that you're
sitting on. It's the idea ofhave you've seen Spirited Away? Right?
Yeah? Okay, if you wereto look at that movie and say this
is a romance between Shahiro and Haku, that would be the incorrect takeaway.

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It is the story of a girlgrowing up and coming to terms with life
and having to go through all ofthese life changing moments like realizing that your
parents are not perfect that's why theyturn into pigs. Like, there's all
of these nuances that are there,and it's like, yes, the romances
there and in that movie it iseven a larger part than in Card Captors,
but it's far from the main point. Like it's really not it depends

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on you know, I don't know, but it is hard is hardly the
main point to people give so much. People give so much to Toya Yukito,
and it's like they're in like athey don't they're I don't I even
describe. Look, they're not inthat much of the series. I get
why people like them, but it'slike they're not as important as people keep

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making it out to me. Theywell, and I think part of it
though at the time what you're talkingabout for English reference, Julian and yeah,
Ju, there was such limited representationat the time. I think that's
why that stings for a lot ofpeople. I come from that community.
But also I don't know, Ihave a unique perspective on that stuff in
the sense that the fact that itwas removed from Card Captors is sort of

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evidence that that was the way thingswere back then, and if we delete
it from existing, that evidence isone thing is yeah, But the thing
is is like, and you know, I haven't watched Cardcappers at all the
way to that point, I alsodon't think that there's really anything. But
I don't think there's really anything fromuh Toyuki to remove from the series to

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begin with, because the series doesn'tdo anything with them. It's it's like
like they they are quote unquote acouple as much as j D and Turk
are from Scrubs. They are andthat's I don't want to get too high
on the soapbox, but you know, platonic male friendships are a thing and

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we can have them now. I'mnot taking away from the people who like
Toyuki for what it is because clamphave asserted that, you know, they
are they are closer than a coupleof bros. Uh. But I'm also
I'm just saying there's not that muchto remove from the series to begin with
because the series doesn't focus on them. No, And I agree, I'm
kind of right there with you though. It's like, I get why people

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are stung from it from the representationperspective, but again, I don't watch
it for the romance. Whether it'sstraight or not, like it still it
still applies for me. So theone thing I'll give everyone is they took
out that No, no, Iwon't I won't cover that. Well,
we'll go what that that's many episodesa way, I won't talk about that
one. We're getting off the railsagain, we are, I gotta get

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off my soap box. I justwanted to talk about car captors. Yeah,
well let's do a wrap up,and we said it at the top
of the show. But just areminder, there are two versions of this
show. The next segment we're goingto get into if you're listening on the
podcast feed is the Chris Corner segment. And if you're going to jump over

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to YouTube or if you're already onYouTube, that will be I think that
for episode three, will it bethe first merch segment. I'm actually going
to see about putting the merch segment, like editing the merch segment onto the
end of like the episode two that'snot yet, so it'll it should be
Ideally it'll be the second one andI'll be talking about the cell phone.

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Okay, Yeah, so we'll getinto that on YouTube and yeah, I
guess that's where we can leave this. Do you want to add anything at
the end here before we so,I just I'm just thinking that, like
we really got to figure out likea proper way to end these things,
so it's not just smash cutting tothe title card. Oh well. Kind
of what I've found is this isgonna sound funny, but like the conversation

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we're having right now, I wouldliterally just fade this out and then have
a music transition kind of come inas it's fading out to get new into
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The watery card get captured and justgive us your overall take on the
episode. From the top, Ithink it's pretty good. Has the introduction
of one of soccer ros well knownoutfits, the Jester costume, and I

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do like the plot because i ukdoes my favorite character in the series,
so I like I like episodes thatare you know, centered on him and
some aspects. And I know,of course that this one was altered completely
in the dub, which makes sensein this case. I guess the way

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that the way that the water cardinterrupts everything is fun to me, and
when it when it materializes, itlooks cute. I've seen, yeah,
I've seen a lot of like good, good promotional artwork for this episode two
that was done for magazine promotion orwhatever, and I just think it's I

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don't know, it's one of it'sone of even though it's really early on,
it's one of the episodes that standsout for me anyway, and like
one of the one of the cardsthat stands out too. I was actually
I didn't buy it. But oneof my friends that's in the production art
hobby as well, when they wereat Anime Expo in Los Angeles this past

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summer and they they helped sell onbehalf of a Japanese dealer and they had
the dealer that they were working forhad a really thick sketch set of when
one of the moments at the endwhere Watery materializes and like growls at Socca,

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they had like that entire cut withthe things. Yeah, that's I
always remember that, Like when Ithink of card Captors or Cardcaptor Sakura,
that's one of the first, likeyou know, you get image flashes.
Yeah, that's one of the firstthings, is like that thing, and
then the lunch towards the camera,right, yeah, yeah, what else

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do you want to say about thisone? M I guess just started in
terms of how it's captured, onthe way that she goes about getting a
handle on it, combined with hercostume for the episode, just like you

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were saying too, like it standsout for the original series, Yeah,
there was. This episode is likebulky in terms of content in both versions,
but then also what there is todiscuss about it because of what you
were saying, like Julian and theEnglish is his name, Yukito being cut
out completely and I like both versionsof the show. But I was saying

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on the on the car Chapters segmentwith Matt, I don't really miss him
in this episode, you know whatI mean? Like I really like his
character, but he I didn't.I wouldn't have actually noticed that they cut
a lot of it out unless someonetold me crankly. It just I think
the way they did it, itflowed well enough that he wasn't necessary to

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this one. And I sort ofam in the camp of like, I
watched the show for the magic andthe lore and the like. I'm so
fascinated by the cards and how theyinteract with each other and all of that.
That kind of the human relationship.Relationships are secondary to me from my
perspective. But yeah, the waterycard is also one of the ones that

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I always it's one of my favorites. Let's see, what would you rate
this episode? By the way,probably four? Four? I think,
Oh here's my notes. I gaveit a five, which they've heard already.
But why would you give it four? I think the only point I'd

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subtracted would be for it's not likethe animation looks bad at all. But
if it was, just if itwas one of the op three like best
character designers to work on the originalseries, if they had done it instead,
then I probably would have given ita five. I was looking at

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the wrong I was, yes,so it's an animation point for you.
Then, yeah, how many animatorsworked on this series? Do you know,
like total? I don't know.I know, I know for the
most part in terms of like episodiccharacter design that it was, they didn't

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have as much as I don't know, like a lot of older series do.
It was the same handful of peoplethat just took turns recycling, So
it's not it's not as many peopleoverall as other older series. I was
gonna say that just we're only becauseI recorded episode four yesterday or we we

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did, but there's not that muchvariation with the anime as they're so far
in sailor mode, which was makingme think it's a smaller team like you
were saying. But yeah, Ilove that episode. All right, do
you know episode four? Have youseen it recently? No? I don't,
like I would have to know whatit is exactly. It's an unexpected

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fine, she gets two cards init. Go ahead and watch it and
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