Human Furniture What, Why, and How-S05E18

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this episode, by request from Kayla, we are talking about human furniture play.
Hey Mayfair, Hi, Cauldron,How goes it? Just a regular

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third co host of the show,Fetish Artists Perk. Hello, Kayla Davis
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that I've talked about many times asa former colored play partner, which is
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days. Expect all right. Thisis December the third of twoenty twenty three.
Human Furniture, What Why and How? Season five, Episode eighteen,

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Wow, So what is human furniture? Mayfair, we haven't got to do
my definitions in a while. Doyou want to read the definition for me?
And this is not from an article, this is this is all us.
So for those of you that hatethe articles, you're getting a cauldron

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and Mayfair article today, So enjoythat. I know I did as we
put it together. So Mayfair,what's that definition? Human furniture returt refers
to the practice within the BDSM communitywhere a person acts as an object or
piece of furniture for another individual's useor pleasure. This practice involves a consensual

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and negotiated power exchange dynamic where oneperson willingly takes on the role of being
used as an object or piece offurniture by another person or group. The
person might be positioned or manipulated toresemble furniture, such as becoming a footstool,
table chair, or any other householditem. The submissive might be required

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to hold a specific pose or positionfor certain period, providing physical support or
serving as a surface for the dominantperson's comfort or convenience. That's a whole
lot of words I put down therejust to say that it's when a person
acts like they're an object used tohold other things, whether it be a

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chair, a table, an ashtray, those are some of the more
common ones. Mayfair, have youever done this? Nope, I am
not able to do this. There'sthere's just it's not possible for me.
Being in one position for any amountof time hurts. As Cauldron can attest

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to you, I can't sit still, I can't lay still. I can't
be still because after about two tothree minutes something hurts, so I have
to rearrange. There's no conceivable wayI could do this. And even if
it's not hurting, you just wantTom jittery or not jittery, but wiggle
bugs. You've got to be movingconstantly on the movie. That would be

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the ad D that you and Iboth share. Mm hmmm are you talking
to you, Cauldron? Oh god, you know actually I think I do
remember using you briefly as a tablein the playroom once you're on all fours.

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I don't I said something set oneor two things on your back.
I think toys, And I thinkthat was like while we were you were
were doing impact. Yeah, andthen but it still counts its human furniture.
You were a table for a briefmoment, does it count if I
didn't consent to being a table,could that wut nowhere in our negotiation?

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But didn't you? And also afootstool very briefly, again, I can't
sit still like two and I'm moving. Yeah, And we're going to get

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into that too. If if thisreally isn't your topic and you're looking for
your brand new and you're looking fora step by step way of crafting a
scene, we are going to getinto some very generalized ways that'll get you
started in crafting any scene, whetherit's solo as a couple meaning two people,

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not necessarily a romantically involved couple,but or a group of people.
So you know, even if humanfurniture isn't your thing, or you're just
kind of curious and kind of starttuning out, stay tuned, because we
are going to get into something thatI've been asked and asked and asked about,

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like can you do an episode specificallyon how to craft a scene?
And I've written out a very basicbreakdown on how to do this, So
we're going to get into that,all right. So may Fair has very
elegantly presented the definition for me,Thank you, the why so participation in

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human furniture kink, like any otheractivities within BDSM or fetish communities, can
be motivated by a variety of psychologicalfactors and individual desires. Here are a
few potential reasons. So this isfive basic reasons why anybody will participate in

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any of in any type of kink, power dynamic being number one. For
some assuming the role of human furniturecan be a way to explore power dynamics.
Both the person taking on the roleof furniture and the person using them
may find pleasure in the exchange ofpower and control. May Ferret's well known

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that you do enjoy power play.If your body was more able, do
you think this would be something thatyou would want to explore more? I
don't know, because I can't image. I can't imagine a time where I
can ever be still without being inpain. So it's it's my brain is

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stuck there like nope, that hurts, and I'm not just seeing anybody who
does. I just I'm my brainis like new, It doesn't it doesn't
sound like you are. I thinkit's it's well documented within the podcast that
you've got some chronic pain issues.So I think the people that I know

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that participate in this from a powerexchange standpoint or a psychological uh, getting
that that psychological break, that beingon the submissive side of a power exchange
UH. Where they benefit the mostis they mentally try to put themselves in

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the place of that object. Objectsdon't have thought, so it can completely
give them if they can assume thatrole and fully get into subspace or into
that role, that headspace of beinga chair or being a table, whatever

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the case may be, then allother thought disappears and it's just okay,
I'm able to completely take this mentalbreak. So if you're curious as to
if you've never been able to pinpoint, and you're curious as to what is
about power exchange other than just beingtold what, when, where, and

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how to do things? What isabout it that people like? That's generally
the thing that I think appeals tomost people. May fair? Do you
think that's fair? Yeah? Idon't know that I've ever gotten to the
point where my brain completely stops,so I don't I don't know how to

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make that happen. I applaud thosewho can. That's that's also outside of
the realm of my my I can'timagine it Yeah, it's uh, it's
taken breaks, but I've seen itgo on breaks, but I've also immediately

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seen it flashback or jump not flashback, but jump back into the situation.
So yeah, it is a verydifficult state to be in. Hello,
Jennicorn's Angel looking forward to dinner tonight. We haven't had dinner in about a
month. Percussio says, objectification andfurniture aren't really interchangeable words either. Yes,

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thank you for pointing that out.It hadn't even occurred to me that
people would When preparing for this.I was so tunnel vision that I didn't
even think about people mixing up thetwo. Objectification is in fact something different,

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similar but different than furniture, Juniorcorns Angel said one hundred percent.
She says, I think there's amental zin that I hit where the pain
doesn't matter anymore. How to getthere? Happy for you, Juny,

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but never been able to really getthere. Fetishar's Human Furniture was one of
the first kinky fantasies I had.Like bondage, it doesn't have to be
about pain, and there is alsothe challenge of staying still. Yeah,
for those who are fortunate enough tonot have chronic pain issues. It doesn't

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have to be about pain. Ithink from what I've seen fetish artists as
people progress in this and we'll getinto this more later, because this is
something that you have to build up. You can't just play a table for
two hours right off the bat,just like slave positions are kneeling. You
can't just do this for you know, thirty forty five minutes two hours right

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off the jump. You have tostart out. It's one of the things
that we refer to as training.You're learning how to have this physical endurance
to be able to do these thingslike anything. You don't just go run
a marathon. You build up tothat. And the people that I know
who have participated in hearing human furniturea lot like it's one of their primary

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kinks. They do build up tothe point of pain and they will push
them so elves to continue in aposition and continue to lengthen the amount of
time that they can stay there.But also, as Judy said, there's
this mental zen that can occur wherethe pain doesn't matter anymore. But don't

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just don't. I highly advise don'tjust go for that right off the bat.
That is not safe. It becomesalmost like a safe space. Percussio
says, what was the comment youjust put up? Go ahead, Mapair
Percussio, it was earlier before theobtrification comment. She was a pillow when

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she did gore, and it allowedher to not be pressured to interact and
let her watch what was going on. Nice. I like that. That
was very clever on someone's part,whether that was your own or somebody telling

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you to, Hey, subex thirteen, how's it going all right? Sensory
stimulation mayfair engaging this kink might alsoprovide intense sensory experiences for some individuals.
Experiences for some individuals. Being ina static position or role could create physical

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sensations or mental states that are simulated, stimulating or arousing. That's pretty much
what we've been talking about, sothat's right in line with what the perk
fetish artists and JUNI have been saying. So no need to really dive more

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into that one. But again,these also apply to pretty much all other
kinks as well, so keep thatin mind as we go through this.
Again. If you're brand new orif you're not new and has been curious
role playing in fantasy This is numberthree for anybody to keep a count,
and there's five of these total.Like many bds and activities, human furniture

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can involve human furniture. Play caninvolve role playing, I roll pay fulfilling
specific fantasies, role playing and fulfillingspecific fantasies. It could be a form
of escapism or a way to exploredesires that are not easily expressed in everyday

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life. I don't know very manypeople who are seen players, meaning like
club scene players, that aren't lookingfor an escape. I mean, we
dress up a certain way in whateverour play attire is, We go to

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a dungeon, we use names thatare are not our own or that we
have adopted. It's all part ofescaping everyday life and the hum drum of

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work and family and the typical dayto day stuff of our relationship. And
you know, any anything on thatone mayfair mm hmm. Okay, well
let's move on to number four.You can have that one as well.

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Exploration and experimentation. Engaging in unconventionalor to taboo activities like this can be
away for some to explore their ownboundaries, desires, and limits within a
safe and consensual con text. Yeah, Now there are some pretty extreme versions

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of this. If you do aand don't do this at work, obviously
you should should go without saying,uh, don't do this at work or
around young eyes. But do asearch for BDSM human furniture and you can
see some very extreme positions uh andmultiple fetishes going on, like latex and

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food and human furniture, and youknow it's it's not one that is exclusive
to itself. You can combine itwith other things because you being a pillow.
Now, I was taught and Iteach others to practice, uh,

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floggers and whips, single tael,dragontail, dragon tongue, all these quirts,
all these things, even writing cropsand stuff on pillows. So you
know, we could combine impact playwith human furniture with perk being a pillow

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and being my practice pillow for mysingletail use. But yeah, that exploration,
experiment and experimentation. I think humanfurniture within the boundaries of what you're
physically capable of doing and not pushingyourself, is a great way to explore

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both power exchange and just BDSM ingeneral as far as what you like and
don't like and This is a thoughtthat's just now coming to me, so
I haven't really formulated it completely yet, so bear with me. It might
sus itself out as we move alonghere on a exactly why I think it
might be a great way to introduceBDSM. All right, mayfair, when

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you said about her being a pillowand you're practicing, I just remembered all
the times that you were like,go get your fuzzy robe and I would
just stand there. Well, youhit the fuzzy robe to see where it
marked. Yeah, yeah, thatwas especially when I was when I was

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coming back into using the single teebecause it would hang on you, so
you know, it wasn't tight mostof the time, you weren't going to
fill it strongly. So yeah,good memories, all right. Connection and

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intimacy Actually, did you have anythingon exploration and experimentation? Just that?
Okay, we'll go ahead and takeconnection and intimacy. Then it might also
serve as a means of connection andintimacy between partners. Trust and communication are
crucial in these scenarios, and alevel of intimacy can deepen as participants engage

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in a vulnerable yet controlled environment.I definitely see how it builds it with
everything that we do. I wasgonna say, that's certainly not exclusive to
furniture, that's just general. Yeah, yeah, But I mean those are

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the five basic reasons why. Noweverybody has their individual psychology, and I
think maybe, well, I'm gonnaguess because typically when people ask me to
do a topic, they're asking meto do something that will give them answers

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about themselves, and whether they realizeit or not, that's typically why people
ask. And it's been a whilesince she and I discussed this, and
everybody knows that I don't have amemory. I have Swiss cheese. So
diving back in and really getting intowhat specifically about the topic it was.

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So she said that she was goingto jump on here and into the chat
room today. I don't. Yeah, she's here. So if you have
any specific questions, Kaylea, aswe go through this, please feel free
to throw them into the chat allright, So crafting a human furniture scene.

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And again this is a guide justas as the why, as a
guide to typically why anybody would participatein the things that we participate in.
There's also reasons like pain management andmore broad and more specific reasons. But

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those are the five basic reasons whyanybody participates in BDSM, and in this
case we're specifically talking about human furniturekink, so crafting a human furniture scene.
Like all scenes, there are eightbasic steps to follow to help mitigate
risks and increase rewards. To helpmitigate risk, what we do is dangerous,

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even just kneeling. People have hadmuscle cramps, and you know that's
a common one, not from humanfurniture, but I know somebody who had
a severe muscle cramp in their calfand it ripped their achilles tendon. So
I do know for a fact thatthat can happen. So there are things

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that are not typical that we thatwe tend not to think about. I
tend to think of very extreme things, which leaves some of the more obvious
things out for me to think about. But everything that we do has risks,

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whether you're talking about living life orBDSM. So, but these things
will help you to mitigate the risksand increase rewards. There I think I've
made that disclaimer abundantly clear. Afew of the most important things to remember
are to communicate thoroughly, go slow, and don't expect yourself or someone else

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to be a table for hours onend. At the start, like kneeling,
impact play, bonded and most othertypes of plays, a person needs
to build stamina through practice. Numberone, Communication and consent mayfair start by
discussing interests, desires, and limitswith your partner. Clearly express what you're

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comfortable with and what you're interested inexploring this in the This includes the roles,
positions, intensity of play, medicalconditions, medications, psychological issues,
and needs. Pretty basic there.We talk about communication and consent all the

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time. I also want to sayon that consent, you can revoke consent
as the top or the bottom wherea voyeur anytime you feel the need to.
Since this is a one on onepodcast, I find it very important
to tell people because one of thethe most dangerous things going around, and

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it's always been going around for aslong as I've been in the scene,
is that you know there's no safewords in this relationship. If somebody is
wanting to style your relationship in thatway, refuse it. And if they

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insist on it, if they tellyou, well, if that's not for
you, then you're not for me, then absolutely run Yeah. Yeah,
because I almost guarantee you ninety ninepoint nine percent chance that you're going to

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be abused, So be very verycautious about that. Consent can be revoked
at any time. I think,as far as society goes, I love
hearing about that more and more.I even saw a news article where they

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were talking about it a local thing. I think it was our Channel eight
Volunteer TV. I don't remember exactlywhat it was what the main topic was,
but they did touch on on consentand revoking consent. Yeah, Percussio
says, run far, run fast, because may Fair you're the best.

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I agree, all right. Numbertwo, establish safe words and signals.
Safe words go right along with consent. No, we don't use safe words
in this relationship, in this dynamic. I don't play with people that don't
trust me enough. See, thisis how they manipulate and coerce you.

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They say things like, well,you know, I thought you were good
enough to play with me, orthey try to be all pitiful and say,
bo I thought I was I wasgood enough for you to play with.
But I don't play with safe words. And you know we're both experienced
people. I can't you know,I don't I don't really do safe words.
Don't fall for that crap. ByeFelicia, Yep, don't fall for

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it. Move along. There's morefun to be had with better people than
somebody that wants to coerce or manipulateyou. Established safe words and signals.
I have a great thing. Thereis a link down below an article.
It's on fet life. It's onmy website. If you go to caldronscript

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dot com slash silent communication, you'llfind it. If you go to my
writings on fet life, you'll findit's it's what mayfair and I used.
It's what I used with of anybodythat I play with regularly Percussio Junicorn's Angel,

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everybody that I've played with regularly.It will help you to understand what
this silent communication is. If you'rebound and you can't tap or show a
hand signal holding something in your mouth, and if you drop it, then
that is you calling red things ofthis nature. So that's what these signals

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are. But agree upon a safeword or a signal that anyone involved can
use to pause or stop the roleplay if they feel uncomfortable or need a
break. Safety and consent are paramountnow if you're if you've started out slow,
you're practicing, you're doing these things, you know, and you decide,

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hey, I want to go forthree hours, but I might need
a break somewhere in here, sonegotiate that break, like, Okay,
we're going to make a goal ofas long as you can, or you
know, if you know that,set yourself up for success. So if

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you know that you can go foran hour and a half, then set
an hour and a half goal andthen take a break and then do another
hour and a half or whatever.But also understand that if you don't make
the three hour mark, it's nota failure because you've done the thing.
You've had the fun the and thefun is in the practice. Like the

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longer that you participate, the moreyou understand that setting the goal is kind
of a very loose concept, likethat meeting the goal should never really be
the objective of each scene. Itshould be Okay, well the goal was

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three hours, we got two anda half this time. Hey, you
know what that just means? Weget to play more times before we hit
the three hour mark, and thenwe can move the goal to something else.
It's it is what it is,and maybe you never hit it,
and that's okay because I mean mayfair. How unreasonable would that be for you

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to try three hours? That wouldn'twork. What's the longest you think you
could? You could rest on allfours without moving, I mean, without
without repositioning. You could, youcan, you can do your little fidgety
wiggles or whatever. But to befive minutes max. Before I'm like aching

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somewhere. Yeah, yeah, butgo ahead. Part of that, Like
this is where you and I havealways kind of looked at it differently.
I don't want to go into ascene with a goal. I don't need
a goal. The goal of thescene is just to be in the scene.

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And I've that's something like you alwayshave, like a target, And
that was something that we really alwayskind of were confused with each other.
Well I'm not confused, but andit wasn't an argument. It was just
I never understood why there's no needto be a goal or a target.
Just have fun. Yeah, there'sa little bit of a of a difference.

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I looked at the dynamic as somethingwith goals. I look at some
scene if there is a goal toa scene, like a cathartic scene when
you're trying when that's what you need, you want, and that's the goal.
But in general, I don't lookat scenes that way. Okay,

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I just I was never one ofa like a cathartic scene, sure,
but like generally otherwise, I don't. I don't know why you need a
goal. That's just my take.Now they're now not necessarily goals, But
there are things that I want outof scenes for myself, just like anybody

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else does. I think that's fair. I think that you know, when
a person goes into a scene,they have certain things that they want.
They probably have expectations which you shouldn'thave other than this is going to end
with everything safe, like have theX expectation of safety and communication. We

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should be able to do that.We don't always. Uh, that's just
not always possible. But and Isay that regarding like pick up plays and
stuff like that, like you don't, you don't know, and again what
we do is dangerous. But yeah, no, I look at dynamics with

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goals in mind, absolutely, AndI know that you didn't. You never
really understood that until the end,I think, I think we talked about
that, but that's a whole otherthing. Until by your expression, we're
not going to touch on that.Uh. Perks is adding in blue safe

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words. Uh, the I gotto move, But don't you dare stop
the scene. That's a good thingtoo, blue being not a stoplight sequence,
just a body thing break. Yeah, well, I say that's that's

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kind of yellow is where hey,I need to check in, and the
blue there would be for going tocheck in and just straight up communicating hey,
I need I need to move.So it's not like, oh,
I got to stop and check inwith you. You already know. If

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I say blue, then that justmeans that I've I've got to move.
So it's kind of a little additionalcommunication. It saves a step in the
process, especially if it's something thatreally needs to happen. But don't be
pushing yourself to the point where itbecomes an emergency. Uh. Define roles

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in scenarios. Mayfair design who willtake on the role of human furniture and
who will be the user. Discussthe specifics of a scene, including the
type of furniture the submissive person willportray, and the expectations regarding behavior and
interaction. Pretty simple for those switchchange it up. But I think typically

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we for those who don't we knowour role going in. That was a
short and easy one. Go aheadand take number four two. Set up
a safe space, choose a satchet. Choose a safe and comfortable space for

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the role play. Ensure that you'reis free of potential hazards, and have
any necessary equipment or padding to ensurethe comfort and safety of the human furniture.
Yes, so are kneepads sexy?Well, it depends on your fantasy.

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Yeah, it depends on your fantasy, I would say aesthetically. No.
However, why couldn't somebody use themif it helps them stand up at
a certain position? Longer, Ichallenged that because I'm pretty sure you find
some of the women in roller Derbyattractive. Pretty sure? Yeah? Yeah,

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and there were kneepads, that's afact. So but generally I don't
find kneepads safety. I'm just saying, yeah, that does that does tend
to be part of their uniform?Yes, yes, I forgot about Roller
Derby. Uh Kaylea says I haveto use knee pads or a kneeling pad

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when I'm in service. Uh,knee pads and kneeling pads they can be
used together. Padded floors. I'velearned the hard way that concrete burn knees
are not fun. Amen and Amen, we're gonna have choice on this Sunday.

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But yeah, there's no reason whyyou can't add these things. Uh.
Sure, they may not be thesexiest thing in the world, but
if it helps, then why notIf you have somebody telling you no,
or you know, if you're ifyou're dumb or a top, and you

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know through negotiation that the person hasmedical conditions, and yet they're trying to
insist on doing this anyway, thenwhy not step up and try to insist
on them ensuring their own safety byusing these things, especially if it's on

(40:23):
concrete. Good Lord, agree onboundaries and limits? Well, Mayfair,
did you have anything else on setup a safe space or define roles in
scenarios? Okay, agree on boundariesand limits. Clearly establish boundaries and limits

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for the scene, discuss what isacceptable and what is not, and ensure
everyone involved understands and respects these boundaries. There Again, if they're not respected,
then Mayfair. Bye, Felicia.I really need to to clip that

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and post that in discord. Peoplecan use it as a notification or something
it's totally old school, and Ijust never let it go. And I
don't think i've ever even seen themovie it's come from. So Friday,
Yeah, oh wow, let's see. Fetish our says, I think of

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it this way. As young adults, granny and granny panties and girdles weren't
hot, but as we get older, we start to understand the appeal of
their comforts. I love it,Perks says, put play putt players use

(41:55):
them and extra padded gloves. Yeah. Absolutely, So it's not like it's
not something that or Yeah, it'snot like it's something that doesn't get used
already within the lifestyle. Fetish artistsays, so knee pads may not look

(42:15):
hot, but if they work,it's still sexy. You know, if
you have a toy, don't breakyour toy. You're not like eight years
old anymore. There's no need totear apart your sister's Barbie dolls. So,
uh, don't break your toys,always says my favorite toy, Why

(42:37):
would I want to break it?And also, if you have to use
something like that, you can decorateit. You can you know, you
can paint it, you can makeit your own, like yeah, okay,
I have to have knee pads.But say, are your dom's colors
are red and black? Well,you can find a red one and paint

(42:59):
black things on it. You know, you can make it be part of
it. It can be part ofyour attire. But jewel it. Get
out the cricket. The bejeweling forthings on your knees is not gonna help.
Now. They usually have a hardplastic shell on the outside, and

(43:20):
you could you wouldn't feel it becauseof that. As somebody who's done a
lot of flooring work in the year. Over the years, I've unfortunately worn
a lot of kneepads. Uh parks, says fetish artists. Yes, no
more heels. Give my comfy pantsand reasonable give me give me my comfy
pants and reasonable shoes. Fetish artsyisn't thinking about it. How much of

(43:49):
fetish was already about things that wereawkward and frightening the horses? Interesting thought
there, I agree, all right? Mayfair Number six Consent to physical contact
define the level of physical contact allowedduring the play the role play. Some

(44:13):
scenarios may involve touch or manipulation toposition the human furniture, so make sure
everyone consents to and it's comfortable withagreed upon physical contacts, and that that
kind of brings back where I thinkI've mentioned it before. If you've agreed,
say you and I cauldron agreed thatI was going to be a table,

(44:37):
a movable table, but somebody elsewanted to move me and they just
came up and tried to move me. That that's that's not it's not okay.
Even if they were someone who wasallowed to use the table, that
doesn't mean they have the permission totouch places and grab things that weren't prediscussed.
Yeah. Yeah, that's a huge, huge no no. If it's

(45:04):
not your toy, then be damnsure to ask about the rules that applies
to people, places, things.A Number seven. Engage in the role
play. Once everything is discussed andagreed upon, start the role play.
Maintain open communication throughout the scene.Do that through both verbal and nonverbal communication,

(45:34):
and regularly check in with each otherto ensure everyone is comfortable and enjoying
themselves. Pretty simple there, right. And number eight, And because I
have so much to say about thisparticular topic, and I'm sure you do

(45:57):
too, because of the importance ofit to you when you play, I'm
gonna let you have it. Numbereight. Did you want to go ahead?
Now your point? You hold on, let me finish the question.
No, no, did you wantto go ahead and do any of them

(46:21):
like the producers and such? Becausewe're close to our our mark? All
right? Yeah, fine you I'mjust talking. Thank you for keeping me
time checked here all right, Sofull show notes can be found at colorscript
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(46:43):
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(47:06):
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(48:15):
five dollars Woo had a hard whistleThere. Executive producers at twenty five dollars
a month, Juniorn's Angel, JohnnyFerrell, Ray Webb, harrw Webb,
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(50:08):
over it a and well, Idon't know how to pronounce that. I
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on Discord, so welcome, welcome, welcome. I look forward to further

(50:29):
conversation, and I'm getting a lotof questions about doing some in person training,
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(50:53):
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easily find it. It will bethere will be a fee involved, but

(51:16):
people are wanting a lot. I'vegotten a lot of requests for this the
past month and a half about inperson training for impact play, wax play,
these types of things more in depththan what we do with the buy
or the the crypt event. Soyeah, and again it is it is

(51:39):
not going to be a free thing, but we will definitely try to figure
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(52:00):
All right, So thank you Mayfairagain for reminding me what time it
was and that I needed to dothe shout outs because I always forgotten them
even though I give you shit.But yeah, I know what you wanted.
Let me speak to tell you.Yeah, You've always been pretty good

(52:21):
at knowing what I wanted before Iknew. Fetishar says, I'm thinking about
it how much? Oh I alreadyread that comment? All right, all
right, So after care, aftercare, after the role playing engage in
aftercare, this involves providing emotional support, reassurance, and comfort to each other.

(52:45):
Is a crucial part of the experience, allowing participants to decompress and reconnect
after intense or vulnerable moments. Idon't know that we mentioned that that should
be discussed in the pre sne negotiationin this particular instance, but it should

(53:07):
be. You definitely need to discussyour after care needs prior to the scene,
because after a scene you may notknow what you need. But if
you've done this a time or two, you you like, oh I really
need such and such. I needa candy bar and my blanket or whatever

(53:29):
your after care needs are. Ihave seen everything from cuddles, which I
need. That's my aftercare. Ineed to snuggles. Well yeah, well,
when I smoked, I needed tosay, a cigarette, then cuddles.

(53:49):
Yeah, I needed a cigarette andthen cuddles. That was my aftercare
A cigarette, a drink, preferablysomething with caffeine, and then cuddles.
I've seen people who just needed togive or receive a blow job after a
scene. The one girl we knewshe just needed to suck on something.

(54:13):
Yeah, you would have a sucker. Yeah, yeah, I just needed
needed something. Yeah. Food issome type of food for me. It's
pretty important to have on hand becauseI'm diabetic and if my sugar drops or
if I'm doing the extremely lazy domb. Remember that time there was co topping

(54:40):
and ended up my sugar dropped inthe middle of CoA topping with somebody and
I literally got a little debbie orsomething like a brownie or something. I
don't remember exactly what it was,but I'm standing there flogging, leaning against
the wall beside the ross, floggingwith one hand and eating or brownie with

(55:04):
the other hand. Oh it wasgreat, but I didn't give up.
I kept going. I think therewas some degradation in that one. Degradation
Yeah, because you were like,I don't you don't even deserve my full
attention. I'm gonna eat my snack. It was it was agreed upon,
but I wish I could remember whothat bottom was, Oh you're okay,

(55:37):
Oh okay. I definitely did notremember that. I believe I was thinking
b r H was what I wasthinking. But uh, anyway, so
my thing on aftercare, this issomething that uh, there's a lot of
conversation about, uh, we're peoplesay, you know, if you're negotiating

(56:05):
with somebody and they tell you thatthey don't do aftercare, that you should
run and I disagree with that.Now there's a rumor going around for some
reason that I don't do aftercare,and that's complete bullshit. I love aftercare.

(56:28):
What I said that got that startedwas it is okay to proxy aftercare.
And if say, let's say Mayfairhas a new dom and I we

(56:49):
decide that we're going to sing andthe new person is there, and whether
they're watching or not doesn't matter,but Mayfair wants aftercare with this new person.
That's Mayfair's choice. Now I cansay one of two things, Okay,

(57:13):
I'll agree that aftercare can be proxied, or I can say, you
know what, I need to makesure that you're okay as part of my
aftercare, I need reassurance and Ineed to be the one that does it.
That it could go either way therenow it's either going to work or

(57:34):
it's not going to work. Anddepending on what the conversation is between us
and the conversation between Mayfair and Mayfair'sdom is going to determine whether or not
the scene takes place. But afterhere needs to happen. There are very

(57:55):
few people I know a lot ofpeople who say that they don't need it,
especially on the left side of slash. I'm talking to you, dominance
tops. No, I don't needaftercare. Yeah you do. From a
psychological standpoint, you do unless youhave you am I cutting out? No,

(58:27):
okay, only when you stop talking. I'm I'm getting I'm getting weird
things. Okay, there we go. Uh. From a psychological standpoint,
unless you have a certain type ofpsychopathy meaning narcissistic, antisocial, uh sociopathic

(58:49):
tendencies, you you are going toneed the aftercare just as much as the
submissive will. So. Yeah,but just because somebody says that they don't
do it. Now, if theysay that they don't do it and you
don't have anyone there that it canbe proxied to a friend, a love

(59:14):
enough play partner, hello, Lev, then you shouldn't play. You should
find somebody else to play with,you know, if you need the person
that you play with to be theone to do it and set your foot
down, it's okay. It's yourlife. Be demanding. You deserve it.

(59:37):
I don't care who you are.You deserve it. And I don't
use the word deserve lightly because Ithink most of us don't get all the
bad shit in life that we actuallydeserve to have happened to us. But
that's a whole dark rabbit hole thatI won't go down. So yeah,

(59:59):
there's that. Types of aftercare matters, Yes, it does. Percaussey,
I said that, go ahead.I was thinking, you know, some
people's aftercare is sex, and it'sokay to proxy that. If that's not
something you're okay. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, that was all or you

(01:00:29):
know. I mean, like Isaid, I've seen so many different types
of aftercare. Some people don't wantto be touched. Some people want to
talk, other people want quiet.Some people just want to wrap up in
a nice, fuzzy, comfy blanketand curl up by themselves at the foot

(01:00:52):
of a cross and cocoon take anap. I've seen people get super energetic
after a scene that's not uncommon,and they just want to clean like that's
their aftercare. Let me, letme free to do my thing, and

(01:01:15):
my thing is cleaning, And God, I wish that would work for me.
I wish I could have that kindof need right hate clean. So
yeah, but I'm just trying tostress the importance of it here and how
just because somebody doesn't do it doesn'tmean that you shouldn't play with them.

(01:01:38):
It means that they need to.You need to ask about it and make
sure that your needs are going tobe met, whether it's by proxy or
by the person that you played with. That's that's the main bullet point of
that presentation. I feel, andI may be off base with this,

(01:01:59):
but I feel that that's an okayanswer for pickup play. I feel like
if that's the answer in a DSrelationship set, I would maybe have more
caution. Thank you. That's agood point. Yeah, that would be

(01:02:24):
fucked up if you're in a domsub relationship and the doms like you don't
get after care. Yeah yeah,and aftercare should never be withheld as a
punishment. Never. That can causesome very intense psychological trauma. Uh,

(01:02:46):
And I do mean trauma I don'tmean like TikTok trauma where they think that
going to a vending machine and itbeing out of your favorite drink or candy
is traumatizing. No, that's nottraumatizing. That's fucking disappointing, but it's
not traumatizing. Not having aftercare afteran intense and sometimes not even an intense

(01:03:15):
scene, whether it's you know,psychologically based or other, can cause PTSD.
So yeah, may Fair, I'dagree with you on that. What
you were saying, I was like, something just doesn't fit right and it
took me a minute to get there. Yeah, there's a piece not fitting

(01:03:37):
somewhere. Dammit, where is it? Yeah, it's yeah, definitely all
right. So it's also important tonote that the motive motivations behind participating in
human furniture, kink, or anyother BDSM related activity very varies widely among

(01:04:01):
individuals. Each person's preferences, desires, and reasons for engaging in such activities
can differ significantly, and there isno single explanation that applies to everyone.
And that's why I've kept this prettygeneral because I didn't have and and Kayla,

(01:04:25):
again, I apologize if you gaveme a specific direction that you wanted
me to go or a specific questionand she wanted me to answer, and
I didn't answer that. I doapologize for that, but so this is
a generalized thing and I can answerthat in another episode if you want to

(01:04:47):
send that to me. And there'sno single explanation that applies to everyone.
The key aspect in these scenarios ismutual consent, communication, respect for boundaries,
just like all scenes. But again, that is eight basic steps to

(01:05:08):
setting up any scene and course.Today we're more focused on the human furniture
aspect of it, and that lettingyour mind completely blank out and diving deep
into that role where it's not thinkinga different way, it's not sinking at

(01:05:30):
all, is what I find tobe the primary function of being furniture like
total escapism, and that's okay.I mean, God, everybody wants to
escape from their life at some point. So in fact, the best parents

(01:05:51):
that I've ever met have frequently escapedfrom life. It's how they've later had
the attention. Self care is soimportant when it comes That's the thing that
people miss out on so much whenit comes to taking care of other people,

(01:06:13):
is taking care of themselves first.It's the whole airplane analogy of put
your mask on first and then helpother people get their masks on. And
it's you have to take care ofyourself first and then you can better take
care of others. So thank youMayfair. Yeah I was on a different

(01:06:33):
screen, Kayla says, I didn'task a specific question. This has been
great, awesome, thank you,and thank you so much for the show
topic. If anybody has a specific, specific topic that they want us to
talk about, message me Discord.You guys have twenty four to seven access

(01:06:55):
to me. I do sleep,keep that in mind. Don't get mad
at me, but I am typicallyYeah, sometimes I sleep, but I
am typically very quick to respond.And uh for everybody who is not in
Discord, Oh, people ask meabout Discord when I mentioned it, and
I don't say how to get intoDiscord. It is for our Patreon producers
only, and uh so be surethat if you want into that private chat,

(01:07:24):
and I let me be honest herebefore people get mad at me.
It's kind of a self sustaining group. I am not in there a lot.
And uh so if you want,if you post something you want me
to see, tag me. I'llget a notification and I'll check it out

(01:07:45):
and I'll comment on it. Ifthere's a question you want to ask me,
either tag me in the chat orsend me a direct message and I
will respond. But if you needme, you still got to tag him
because it doesn't tell me when Ican shit on discord. I don't know
why. Yeah, your phone isjust something. Something's weird there. We

(01:08:06):
really need to get that checked out. But oh also, a fetish artist
reminds me that Mistress me a Darkis still down for an interview. By
the way, I dropped the ballon that over Thanksgiving. No worries there.
I've been really preoccupied with a fewother things, so mainly chronic pain.

(01:08:32):
Unfortunately with my neck. I've hada huge pain in the neck lately
and it's not mayfair. I don't. For those of you who are listening
to the audio only version of thepodcast, you should really check out the
end of this episode on YouTube soyou can see her a little patty face

(01:08:54):
and her straight up flipping me off. I do want to get me a
Dark on there, fetish artist.Really, we need to see if we
can. That is the fickle fingerof fate, Yes it is. We

(01:09:15):
need to set up a time wherewe can kind of chat about that,
and so I can see kind ofwhat all we're going to talk about with
Mistress mea dark She is somebody whois a professional. She has tons and
tons and tons of experience. Wemet her Mayfair at dot Con, briefly

(01:09:39):
at don Con years ago. Ibelieve, uh, beautiful African American woman
about six foot three cis gender woman. Pretty sure she's I've never heard about

(01:09:59):
it, worried about her. Butanyway, so she's going to be on
the show. Not sure what we'regoing to be talking about. That's going
to be pretty soon, as soonas the three of us can get that
worked out. And I guess that'sgoing to wrap us up just a little
early today, unless anybody in thechat has any questions, comments, anything
that they want to add or subtractmultiplier divide from what we've had to say

(01:10:25):
here today. Read the cricket sound. I have that pim doss. We

(01:10:56):
tell them, I don't know part, we don't know what you mean?
What is p E M. Das? I'm not sure? All right,

(01:11:18):
Well, no such thing as toolong, just too boring, And
we've definitely hit that boring part.Parentheses. Oh she went mathematics. Honest,
math is evil. I can't believeI didn't catch that. But it's

(01:11:41):
been a while since I've been inschool. So that's going to wrap us
up for today. Thank you toeveryone for coming in, all the questions
the comments. Again, I wantto send a shout out to Kayla for
the topic and to Percussio her othergroup. Let me pull that back up,

(01:12:04):
which is a perk? Can peoplego to fet life and do a
search for a different kind of WednesdayEvening Fellowship and find your group so that
they can attend the munches, becausethat would be helpful. No, it

(01:12:32):
is under East Tennessee Leather right event. Yeah, it's an event called a
Different kind of Wednesday Evening Fellowship andit is in the East Tennessee Leather group.

(01:12:54):
So you can check that out.And and oh, I know that
buffet. I've been there before,Squirrel, I have questions. I have
questions for sure. So all right, looks good. That's going to wrap

(01:13:15):
us up, and we will beback here in two weeks on December the
seventeenth. For those who, Oh, we may have a special guest,
my brother, it's not my actualbrother. He will be here then I'm

(01:13:42):
pretty sure in for a brief visitbecause one of my other brothers, or
my other brother that's still alive,is graduating from college on the eighteenth at
sixty years old. So yeah,I've been a long, hard road for
him, but he's doing it allright. This has been Master Caldron and

(01:14:04):
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