Comprehensive Terror Plot Thwarted At The White House UFC Event! LEO Round Table S11E120

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
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So that said, let's let's go to the uh to
the event list of what we're going to be talking about.
Speaking of the events, we've got the White House UFC fight.
We were just talking about that, but Ohio parents foil

(02:43):
a nineteen year old's plot to attack the White House,
you UFC event with with explosive drones.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
I got to tell you I found out about this
from my wife.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
I was buried in the news and doing show prep
and stuff, and she told me about this and I
and she said that that there were you know a
bunch of people that were you know caught up in this,
and I said, we must have been some extremist group
or or you know, like I'm thinking, you know, radical
Muslims or whatever, or people from Iran, and it's not

(03:13):
the case, you know, and it just that it kind
of blows my mind. So and share Mark Krider, formerly
with the with the FBI, he might be able to
shed some.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Light on that.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
But I was kind of taken it back by you know,
who was invaulved in this thing. We've also got another story. Uh,
you know, I'm not going to cover the lead fourteen
point draft. I don't know if the information is accurate,
and we covered a lot of that yesterday. But we
do have the fedg and dight fifteen ANTIFA members for
conspiring to injure federal officers. And this is all from Minneapolis,
which I love. We've got hot, grease and stabbing. I

(03:45):
want to include this because I'm always talking about the uh.
But you know, back in the eighties, you know, you've
had a lot of black families, black women that uh,
this is their mo for being upset at you know,
their boyfriends, their husbands and stuff, and a lot of
people that weren't working in the projects and stuff aren't
familiar with. It's like, you know, it's like foreign to them.

(04:06):
They think that I'm just making this stuff up. And
then we've got a cop that just got convicted for
shooting someone that was throwing a pot of boiling water
on himself and his partner, and he's sitting in a
jail cell because of this. So I'm just going to
use this as another reminder that it's a very real
thing that you've got to be aware of, and also
you decide beforehand whether or not you're justified in using
lethal forcement on it in a situation like that. We

(04:27):
got a Miami police officer faily shooting a suspect when
he runs through apartments armed with a gun.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
The guy ran out of his shoes. That was pretty comic.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Coal, we got a suicidal woman family shot when she
enters the home with two large knives.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
And then, if we have time to get to it, Miami.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
Day Sheriff's OFLFST releases a body camp of the deputy
shooting an armed fifteen year old. Unfortunately, so let's go
and jump to it, and gentlemen, the first story Tampa
Free Pressure, Tampa f dot com. Ohile parents spoiling nineteen
year old's plot to attack the White House. You havec
event with explosive drones. I gotta admit, Sheriff, I'm a
little bit surprised at the story. It's pretty in depth.

(05:05):
It's from our you know, our buddy Brian Burns for
the Tampa Free Press. But an Ohio teenager faces multiple
federal charges after his parents tipped off local law enforcement
about his bulk weapons purchases, leading the FBI that uncovered
coordinated plot to attack a weekend sporting event at the
White House lawn using explosive laden drones and snipers. Yeah,
there's other guys evolved, and it gives his name. I'm

(05:26):
not going to I'm not gonna you know, I'm not
going to entertain what he wants. But this bad guy
from Knox County, Ohio, who was charged in a federal
criminal complaint foll on Monday in the US just Re
Court of the Southern District of Ohio. That counts against
him include conspiracy, the committed offense against the United States
of course, possession of a firearm and furtherance of a
crime of violence, an attempt at murder of an officer
or employee of the United States, and according to the

(05:49):
documents that the court has, our bad guy confessed to
being a team leader, team leader and an extremist group
planning an assassination and bombing plot aimed at a UFC
event schedule for Sunday at the White House June the fourteenth,
where the President members of Congress were in attendance. The
investigation started on the evening in June the tenth, when

(06:09):
the bad guy's mother calls the Knox County Sheriff's office
in the Danville Police Department to report a domestic disturbance,
and when the officers get there, the father informs them
that his sonate recently spent about three thousand dollars of
his graduation money to get tactical gear, ballistic plates, camping equipment,
and thousands of rounds of ammunition.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Now the family they must have been suspicious.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
The family volunteerily turnover the ar style rifle, a bullpulp
rifle painted with an American flag, and a shotgun to
the police. So I'm sure he wasn't happy when he
got home. After that happened, the bad Guy's father told
him responding officers that his teenage sonate recently quit his
job preparing the travel over the upcoming weekend, they meet
individuals that he was interacting with online and they were

(06:50):
going to do missions and recons together.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
And then after the encounter.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Local police transported this bad guy to a hospital under
is a mental crist this self submission thing, and they
got hold of the Joint Terrorism Task Force. In the
follow up interview with the FBI on Juni eleventh, which
is actually literally the next day, the bad guy's mother
stated that are sent recently aligned himself with an online
group claiming to be ex Militarium and Christian Base, which

(07:17):
makes again no sense to me. The group communicated ulti
religious and anti government grievances, specifically focused on government corruption,
the handling of the Jeffrey Epstein follows, and data centers
that are consuming water supplies, you know, because of AI.
Family members also noted that the bad guy became increasingly isolated,
got anti semitic on Facebook and social media, was praising
Adolf Hitler.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
The FEDS executed a warrant on June the eleventh.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
That same day at his home, got his Apple I phone,
and then they started discovering group chats, encrypted stuff. They
went signal and simplex they're talking about imagery of the
National capital region and maps and places to launch drones
and sniper positions, all kinds of detailed stuff. During an
interview conducted by the FEDS at a medical facility on

(08:04):
June the eleventh, he detailed the mechanics of the plane attack,
stated that the group originally formed back in March of
twenty twenty six, not long ago wan a TikTok group
called Vanguard of the Old before they moved to encrypted platforms.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
He explained that the plane was to fight fly small.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Unmanned drones aircraft with explosive devices over the north side
of the White House. You havec event, and then when
the detonations go off, the crowd is supposed to panic
and go alongside and including high value targets and going
to go to the south side for the evacuation, where
they've got snipers waiting and shooters equipped with long guns

(08:38):
to open fire on the fleeing crowd. It goes on
and on about other stuff and the data in his
phone and stuff, but this is just amazing. We got
a little over three minutes before first commercial break. Shrek cryer,
you want to you want to start uself on this one.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
Well, as mostly you know, I'm pretty skeptical of the
FBI typically, but I will say at least there's going
to be no allegations that the FBI lured these people
into this whole operation with undercovers and stuff, because it
doesn't sound like they had anybody that infiltrated the group.

(09:14):
It sounds fairly sophisticated. Now, the big question is whether
or not these individuals had the ability to provide that
the technical portion of what they're claiming they could do
with drones. Did they have the drones, did they have
access to the drones, did they have access to the.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Explosives and the like. It's interesting.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
I was just back in that neck of the woods,
and Knox County is in the county next to where
I grew up and actually where my dad was born.
So I'm gonna and I went through the National Sheriff's
Academy with the sheriff of Knox County, so he'll be
getting a phone call here shortly. I didn't even realize
it was in Knox County. This just goes to show

(10:02):
you kind of what social media and the communications capabilities
of iPhones and modern capabilities of encryption have done to this,
you know, to provide fairly unsophisticated groups sophisticated abilities that

(10:23):
thwart law enforcement and make it much more difficult to
do our job. So I'll be interested to see how
this investigation plays out and to see what level of
sophistication we really have. You know, from a nineteen year
old that maybe his military experience is that he's a
level six on call of duty, that he didn't really

(10:44):
have any real military experience. But very interesting case and
whether or not they had the ability to pull this
off or not. The mere fact that they were planning this,
and obviously a right wing group as you can tell
from all the things that they're against.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Well, thanks, Sheriff.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
I'm curious that we sarcasm, by the way, because Travis
is looking confused when I said right when group?

Speaker 5 (11:14):
I mean, I'm just yeah, I would you love to
have seen what would have happened if if one drum
went up in DC proper right before that event, because
I'm sure the entire airspace was shut down for that
open air event. Uh yeah, these weren't the smartest cookies
in the bunch, that's for sure. With their Cockamaiti whatever

(11:34):
plan they had so fortunately somebody heard something, said something,
reported something, and here we are.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
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Welcome back LEO Roundtable at Leo Roundtable dot com the
Law Enforcement Talk show. My name is Chip the Block
and I'm your host, Weird Joel going by Sheriff Mark
Rider from Walla Walla County in Washington State and also
doctor Travis Shaates, retired Tulsa Police major. So thank you,
gentlemen for being on the show. And you know we
left off. I'm talking about the UFC event and the
planned aerial you know, maneuvers from armed drones and then

(13:16):
the snipers in place. So Shaff brought some good points
about did they have the capability to actually carry this out.
I'm sure we'll get more information, you know, as time
goes on. But our next one, the Feds have been
busy because according to Daily Signal dot com, they've indict
at fifteen ANTIFA members for conspiring the injured federal officers.
Now the news article is shortened suite the Department of

(13:39):
Justice on Tuesday. Now it's that fifteen individuals affiliate with
two Minneapolis based Antifa groups. So yeah, we're you know,
it always seems like we end up back in Minneapolis,
doesn't it. But these two Antifa groups are from Minneapolis.
They're based at least there. They've been federally indicted on
charges of conspiring to impede or to injure federal officers.

(14:01):
And here's a quote from Daniel Rosen, u of US
Attorney for the District of Minnesota, said that today a
federal indictment was unsealed, charging fifteen to finis with conspiracy
to impeter, injurre federal officers and other charges related to
the efforts of two Minneapolis based antific groups. Remember it
encompasses about fifteen people that violently oppose to enforce the
enforcement of federal law in our state. And this is

(14:24):
during a press conference. So I love the fact that
they're they're hitting Minneapolis hard because remember, just months ago,
the Feds are having the roll in. Ice is rolling
in with border patrol as a backup because there's no
Minneapolis cops taking care of business and controlling the protesters
and the and the uh, you know, and the people
that are the agitators. And so now border patrol has

(14:45):
to show up and so we end up shooting Renate
Good and UH and the other guy, Alex pretty because
of that. So now Antiepest being charged and federally Travis,
I would think that would give them a poker factor.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
I don't know, what do you think?

Speaker 5 (14:59):
Yeah, they just didn't get the message that the administration changed,
because in the previous four years we saw just outrageous
acts after another, whether it's Portland or Seattle or all
the other places they would pop up.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
So, but what is really disheartening is.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
Is just the lies coming from Minnesota and the politicians.
I mean I saw them talking yesterday about these are
peaceful protesters and Trump's going after them and.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
They're just observers.

Speaker 5 (15:31):
First off, it took an indictment from a grand jury,
and second off, we all have high definition video of
what they were doing.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
So can we just stop with the lives.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
It's okay to say those that group ANTIFO, whoever are
or I mean, it's okay to not agree with them.
Just because they're on your ball team doesn't mean you
have to agree with all their actions. But the truth
is this was endorsed by a lot of the politicians
out of Minnesota. I mean, in their own words, they
said their job was to run ice out of the town.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Right.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
So it's just I just I just get so sick
and tired of the lies, and then like half the
country that believes the lies, it's just crazy.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Well, gentlemen, you know we have a post from over
a rumble. I know that the sheriff is talking about
being able to UH. We were talking about signals and
UH and getting news from different sources and whether or
not we're going to be going network or not. So
MVS in Colorado has confirmed that there are mountains in
the way of the signal. And now I understand because

(16:31):
I'm in Florida, we don't have mountains or really big hills,
so I'm be thinking how in the role could that
possibly be? But yeah, there are things called mountains that
occasionally when I go on a trip I will see
from a distance, So that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
All of a sudden, the light bulbs going off.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
So on this last story, any any any more commentary
on the on the fifteen ANTIPA members that are that
are getting a friendly reminder that there's Trump two point
two point ohs in charges that of Trump one point
oh or will really Biden?

Speaker 4 (16:58):
Sure, well, I'll beat the drum just because I live
in the great state of Washington and we have the
same rules of not cooperat We're legally not allowed to
assist ICE. Obviously we can go in if there's a
public safety issue. But if we did the safe secure

(17:20):
transfer of illegal aliens inside the jails and the local
jails cooperated with the federal authorities to remove people that
have been arrested on state charges, not on immigration charges,
on state criminal charges, and are currently being housed in
local jails, if we allowed ICE to file those detainers

(17:44):
and come.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Pick those people up.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
It would be safer for the ice agents, it would
be safer for the illegal aliens, and it would be
safer for the public because they there would be no
protests involved in that situation. So this is being orchestrated
by your elected officials, by the policies that they put

(18:07):
in place for local police agencies.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Wow. That broke it down pretty simply too. Wow.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
All right, So in other words, control it at the polls, guys,
this is what you're You're getting what you're voting for.
So moving along, gentlemen, I think we've got a well
we got you know what we haven't. We haven't an
update story that we haven't covered yet that I'd like
to get to. We just have a couple of minutes,
so maybe just enough time to cover that before next
commercial break.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Tampa Free Press at Tampa FP dot com.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Hot Grease and Stabbing Michigan drive through dispute ends in
attempted murder charges. So this is how they roll at
this rest And I don't even know that they put
the name of the restaurant in, but it's in Detroit.
So I messed up drive through order at a Detroit
restaurant escalated into a violent brawl involving hot grease and
a stabbing, leaving an employee and emergency surgery and two

(18:55):
sisters facing attempted murder charges. So, according to click on Detroit,
the incident happened on May the thirtieth fast food restaurant.
Prosecutor say the twenty nine year old Brianna Long and
her twenty six year old sister Karina Long, they got
angry because they got the wrong food and a drive through,
so instead of just asking for a refund, they allegedly

(19:17):
went inside the store to confront the twenty three year
old worker. I guess that had given it to them.
An argument spinds out of control. Prosecutors say, the sisters
shove their way, they go behind the counter, they start
chasing the employee through the kitchen, who's another female by
the way. They toss pots and pans at her, and
during the chaos, one of the sisters now they reportedly
pick up a pot of boiling grease and they hurl

(19:39):
it at the worker's head. All right, wow, So trying
to defend herself, the employee what does she do? She
throws a knife towards the sisters. Prosecutors say that Kirana long,
she grabs the same knife from the ground, and then
she ends up stabbing the worker on the stomach, the
one that threw it at her, and now bleeding, the
employee manages to run out side. She hides in a

(20:01):
car and she calls police. Paramedics rush to the rusher
to the hospital for emergency surgery. The sisters fled the restaurant.
They end up being tracked down and arrested shortly afterwards.
And there's some wor I'll tell you what. I couldn't
even get through the whole story, and I tried. So look,
are you're going to take our second commercial break, we'll
come back. I'll finish just a little bit left on

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My name is Chip to Block and I'm your host.
We're joined by We've got doctor Travis Shats, retired police
major from the Tulsa Police Department. We've got active share
of Markrider from Walla Walla County in Washington State.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
So thank you, gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
You know I didn't have quite have time to finish it,
but we left off talking about a story hot recent
stabbing Michigan drive through dispute ends in an attempt at
murdered charge.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
We've got two sisters.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
That get the wrong order apparently, and they forced their
way into the restaurant behind the counter, and now they're
throwing pots and pans at the female who apparently gave
them the wrong order, and then it escalates. They throw
a pot of boiling water at the female's head. She
responds by throwing a knife at one of the sisters,

(22:10):
which apparently doesn't do the trick, so they pick it
up and then they stab her with it, and she
goes out of the restaurant, hides in a car, and
paramedics take it for emergency surgery. The sisters flee the restaurant.
They end up getting tracked down and arrested shortly afterwards.
Their defense attorneys, however, are pointing the finger back of
the worker.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Of course, it's the worker's fault.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
The defense claims that the employee was the actual aggressor
who threw items at the sisters first and According to
their attorneys, the workers sparked the physical fight after telling
the women that she didn't give a f about their
wrong food order. So yeah, I guess the verbal confrontation
would be enough to justify that the sisters were defending

(22:49):
themselves with weapons, right yeah. Brian Along was nine months
pregnant during the fight and actually gave birth just days
after being taken in the custody. She was one of
the bad Girl sisters. Both women are currently locked up. Brianna,
you know, the one with the baby. Uh, the kid
doesn't stand a chance.

Speaker 5 (23:05):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Her Bont's only twenty five k.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
And then her sister at Kirana is being held on
fifty thousand dollars bond. Their schedule to face the judge
on June seventeenth, uh, which is today, uh, and to
answer the assault, the charges of assault to intent murder,
intent to murder, and all the other stuff that they
that they're being charged with. Come on, who's gonna take
I know you guys are thinking, who's gonna take this first?

(23:29):
There's no like Travis. Yes, I'm glad you won. You won,
you drew the short straw. I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (23:35):
I mean there is significant outrage at the drive through.
You know, what's the O Sinfield episode. You always get
screwed at the drive through. But I'm not saying what
they did was right. I'm just telling you, Yeah, we're
gonna go there at times at the drift through, so

(23:56):
you have to stick to certain drive throughs, right, because
I don't think McDonald's ever gotten a drive through correct.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Chick fil A is pretty good.

Speaker 5 (24:05):
I've only been burned once in about twelve thousand times there,
so they've got a pretty good track record. But yeah,
but yeah, it's honestly, this story is not unique. You
hear about this everyonce, you know, a few times a
month around the country. These people just lose their mind
at the drive through.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
So well, the hot grease is what really maybe want
to cover because we've got a cop sitt in a
jail cell because and you know what, there's so many
flags on that on that story, I probably should just
memorize the agency and the cops name because when they
when we covered that story, and I'm sure you guys
remember it, the bodycam they used, they never they took them,

(24:44):
i mean like six eight months to release.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
The other bodycam video.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
But the bodycam we're looking at us from the other cop,
not the one that she was throwing the U. I
guess they gave us the best angle about her coming
up with a with a pot of boiling water, but
they used to want bodycam number one, so it wasn't
as incriminating. And it was the other cop really that
ended up shooting her when she was coming up from
behind the counter with a pot of boiling water. And

(25:08):
you don't have to be in fear of death in
order to the use deadly force. Great body injury will
do the trick. And let me tell you a pot
of boiling water or grease, like in the case of
the story recovering right now, that'll cut it. And I
would have shot that chick all day long, and I
would have been justified. Here in Florida, and especially due
to my background, was seeing the art effects of females

(25:30):
throwing hot grease or hot water boiling water on people.
I mean, when you went to the projects, you would
see these guys that would have their skin would be
bleached white. And that's exactly what happened to either had
pot ash, boiling water or grease thrown on them and
it changed the pigmentation permanently. A lot of times it

(25:51):
was on the face because that's where they would get
it thrown at and stuff. It was just crazy. So
seeing this and the women finding and go and just
going back to I mean, how many people think about
grabbing a pot a boiling grease and throwing it at
at a victim during a fight. I mean, you know,
it's just but that's I'll tell you it's still it
still happens today.

Speaker 4 (26:10):
So sure, I would just like to point out a
couple inconsistencies and common sense stuff I want. I would
love to sit down with the attorney that graduated from
law school and thinks that the aggressor is the worker

(26:31):
inside the building that was pursued from somebody in the
drive through. Now, let's think about this. Your drive through
order is messed up, you pull around and then you
go inside, and the person on the inside of the
building is the aggressor in that situation. I will tell
you that we did have a very similar story in

(26:53):
the state of Wisconsin when I was stationed there, and
we actually had a law enforcement official, command staff official
that now she was practicing safe aggression because she took
her duty weapon off and handed it to her fifteen
year old niece and tried to crawl through the drive

(27:15):
through window to go after the person that had screwed
up their order.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
But well, I want I was wondering why the FBI
was involved, But I'm not going to ask you why
we were not involved.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
Although you could make an argument that that would be
an interstate transportation or a oh gosh, what is it called.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
It's a Hobbs Act.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
It's interference of interstate commerce because obviously they get their
stuff from somewhere. But wow, you can't make some of
this stuff up.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
So and just and Travis, I know that your well,
your mic was im mute. Now you're muted.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
But Sheriff, do you have I mean, well, while County
you have, I'm assuming you have drive throughs and stuff
like that.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
There.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
I've been doing that, I can tell you, Travis. The
few occasions that I actually used to drive through, I've
yet to have an order that wasn't perfect when I went.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Through the drive through.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
You should be avoiding fast food at all costs.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
You know.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
I knew that was coming, Travis, and I paul it,
and you did at least you at least you said
Chick fil A, which is on the healthier side.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
So you can get thirty grilled nuggets at Chick fil
A and it's like three hundred calories and forty grams
of protein.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
I do.

Speaker 5 (28:35):
I'm not saying I get that every time.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
I'm just saying it's an option.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
I would say that if we had a Chick fil A,
I probably would be close to Travis's record on drive throughs,
because I am a Chila. Whenever I fly, I try
and go through Minneapolis just because I know they have
a Chick fil A.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
In the airport.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Did he just say that he tries to go through Minneapolis?
Did he just really say.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
That the airport is safe? Okay, of the.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
You're not venturing outside, Okay, all right, all right, I
have every new faith in you now, Okay, all right, guys,
moving along. We've got a couple of stories with video
components that we're gonna cover next year. So our first
one rubble dot Com and this is this is Butter's
the name of the channel, our favorite LA enforcement video channel.
Miami police officers. You know, they do it differently in Miami.
They fairly shoot a suspect when he runs through apartments

(29:23):
armed with a gun. I got some interesting notes on
this we got just under three minutes before our third
commercial break. But City Miami, we have units responding on Tuesday,
a fornoon. According to the officials there.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Don't what's job.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
We have undercover officers. They're doing a surveillance in the area.
They're looking for a wanted defender connection with a shooting.
The happened on Sunday, and so the detectors determined that
the individual that discharged the firearms the convicted fell in,
so he's a prohibited person. And this is according to
Miami Police Chief Manny Morales. So they approached the offender
who's outside next to a car, and there's a foot
pursuit this dude, and I mean, he's next to this car,

(30:18):
and then these under these cool cars roll in.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
And guys are bailing out and do it.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
He knows the gig is up, so he turns right,
he starts running, but when he leaves, I didn't know
if he dropped the gun or whatever. And then I
keep playing it back and I'm like, well, crap, looks
like it ran out of his freaking shoes.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
So I don't know if he's wearing flip flops to what.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
But yeah, he's freaking running barefoot because he just ran
right out of his shoes and they're chasing him through
buildings and stuff. And now they end up in the
back of this like apartment complex and he's armed while
he's running and they're yelling at him, and and yeah,
there's a there's pretty good video of the shoot that
goes down. And you could argue about you know, communication

(30:54):
or or you know how many guys were running through
with weapons, drawing and chased him and stuff because there
was a narrow fund that they had to run through.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Travis, As you saw the show, what do you think?

Speaker 5 (31:03):
I thought it was a phenomenal video. And I just
don't understand why we keep seeing this. I would love
for one attorney or advocate or activists to just say
drop the gun, don't run with guns, like it's really
this simple, Like they're going to take this and oh,
he wasn't pointing a gun and he wasn't doing this,
and he was just a lost little child because of

(31:26):
his daddy issues and he was having trouble in school.
Can we just at least just go don't run with guns,
don't present guns with law enforcement. I don't understand why
no one is saying this. Ever, maybe it's because we
keep talking about this and that's what they exactly want,
So I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
All right, well sure, I.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Just want to say that that would never happen in
the state of Washington because he was running with an
extended magazine and anything above ten rounds is illegal in
the state to Washington, so that just that whole.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Scenario would not have happened here.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
Once again, Travis, that's sarcasm.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
So sorry.

Speaker 5 (32:10):
I was trying to break a nicotine nabit. So I
want to kill both of you right now.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
But you know, and it's funny because I'm sure that
both of you were taught action versus reaction all during
your defensive tactics and your firearms training, so we all
know that it takes him a lot less time to
point that gun at you than it does for you
to react to his action.

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All right, guys, we're going to the commercial break seeing
on the other side.

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dot com. Welcome back LEO Roundtable at LEO Roundtable dot
com the Law Enforcement talk Show of My name is
Chip de Block and I'm your host. Were joined by
Sheriff Mark Ruter all the way from Walla Walla County
in Washington State, and also Tulsa Police Major Travis Yates,
author of The Courageous Police Leader as well. And you know, Travis,
I got to give you another plug because we've been
talking about, you know, this use of force, you know,

(33:55):
with the bad guy. But you've got you've been talking
about pre attack indicators and that is your new passion
and you've got Focus certified dot Com. Can you kind
of spell it out for all audience, just kind of
like what the appetite a little bit and tell them
where they get more information.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
Yeah, obviously Focus Certified dot Com kind of lines that out.
We have classes all across the country scheduled now. But
I didn't necessarily.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Follow in this.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
I've been teaching pre attack indicators as a class for
many many years. Have been to Washington, have been Idahoe,
been to a lot of states teaching that.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
It's just kind of a fun passion class.

Speaker 5 (34:27):
But it wasn't until I saw that there had been
no actual research done on this topic that I think
the sheriff would agree. We've been teaching for fifty years
or more. I mean, we've been teaching this in law enforcement,
but nobody nowhere decided to actually do research to validate
what occurs right before violence. But every other profession has,

(34:49):
the law enforcement clinicians and doctors and psychologists at EMTs
and corrections all have validated systems, which I find rather
shocking that no one has decided to do this for
law enforcement.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
In fact, I think it's probably sinister on why they haven't.
Why wouldn't they.

Speaker 5 (35:06):
Meanwhile, in the last ten years, officer assaults have increased
eighty percent, so the issue is getting worse, and so
we decided to do the research and work on validation,
and we launched a new updated course on pre attack
indicators and that's where you find it, Focus Certified dot com.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
All right, I love it.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
I love it, and it's all about saving lives and
we should have been doing this a long time ago.
So thanks for what you do, Travis, appreciate it. And guys,
if you any any more commentary on the last video
or you guys ready to go to the video number two?

Speaker 3 (35:35):
You're ready, all right, So let's go in and and
hop on board.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
We are still at rumble dot com and still at
our favorite LA enforcement video channel call this is better.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Now.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
We're dealing with a suicidal woman who ends up being
fairly shot when she enters the home with two large knives.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Is anyone else.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
Got a large knight sitting right next Oh my god,
I didn't see that.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
She got me.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Now, come over here, Come over here now, ma'am.

Speaker 5 (36:11):
Now come up, get out, get.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Her out of the house. Let's snap, come up, get
out of the house.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
There is a there's a situation here. We'll we'll talk
about it.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
But uh Mundolin, Illinois, we had body cam footage released
by authority sh shows a police officer there fatally shooting
a woman who police set approached officers and a family
member while armed with two large knives. The shooting happened
just before six pm on May the eleventh at a home.
I thought it looked more like an apartment, but police
initially responded to report of a suicide a woman who
had made statements indicating that she wanted officers to kill her.

(36:52):
So when officers get there, they bring in shields and stuff.
They talking, they're talking to a family member and when
they enter the home and they're getting information. So the
family member is an elderly woman and I mean, like, dude,
she can barely move right, and so the camera angle
it's really it's really, it's a sad ending, but it's

(37:14):
pretty good because with the body cam you can see
the elderly woman and they're just trying to talk to her, saying, hey, look,
you know, they're looking too the glass slighting door and
you can see the female that's sitting down in the
chair on the other side, and she's armed with at
least one knife and the you can see one, but
they say that there were two. And they're telling the
old lady who didn't notice that she was armed, that
she's got the knife. Oh she really have a knife

(37:34):
and yeah yeah. So then they get to the point
to where there's some statements be made by the female
that's supposedly suicidally on the other side of the glass door.
But you can see you can see all the players, right,
you just can't see the people in the back with
the shields and sow. They now they know, okay, look
this is escalating. We got to get this female, elderly
female out of the way because if that door opens.
Now we're in a situation where we got, you know,

(37:57):
a suicide of female. Well, the knife's not going to
be pretty. They can't move her. I mean where they
had like two guys, you know what, Travis, two guys
trying to pick her up a mover and they just
couldn't They couldn't get her. So because they couldn't move her,
and I'm not really fault in law enforcement, but because
they're trying to grab the elderly female who's now trying
to get out the glass sunning door to go interact
with the female with the knives. They're not gonna let
that happen at least, but they just if they anyhow

(38:19):
they couldn't move her. The female stands up, opens up
the side door. She's coming and she's got at least
one knife and they and they shoot her and she
ends up dying. So that's the way that goes down. Unfortunately,
I wasn't there. I don't know, and I know that
someone doesn't want to be moved it. You know, it's
very it can be very difficult. But because of that,
that made it worse. Travis, Shhh, yeah, I mean that's

(38:40):
what is.

Speaker 5 (38:41):
People don't understand that it's never been in any altercations
whatsoever that sat back and judge law enforcement. If one person,
no matter their size, doesn't want to be handcuffed, doesn't
want to move, good luck. You know it takes overwhelming
force to do that. And so people will watch these
videos and go, why did it take three or four
people on top of this guy? Because he's not compliant.

(39:01):
You can't just force people to do it one on
one typically, right, So people that always say that, and
I wish our leaders would come out more stronger. I
mean many do, but I mean we should not let
people get away with saying this because they clearly have
never been in any altercations whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
It's just if someone refuses.

Speaker 5 (39:21):
To do anything, good luck getting them to actually do
it physically.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
It's very difficult.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
The only thing, the only thing that I saw during
the whole thing, and it looked like it was fairly crowded.
And I know both of you have probably been in
those houses that you can barely move in. I would
have liked to have seen him lock that door. The
sliding glass door was open like two or three inches

(39:52):
if they had just pulled that in. But trying to
get her out of the way expeditiously when somebody's coming
at the door and opening the door with a knife
kind of leaves you.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Very little option.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
And it looked like she I don't know if you
watched the video really well, but it almost looked like
she had a body brace on. So I don't know
if she had some injury or some disease that made her,
but it looked like she had a body brace on
underneath her robe as well. So trying to move her

(40:28):
out of the way without injuring her significantly is tough
as well. But yeah, just a bad situation all the
way around.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
And you know, maybe a good opportunity for us to
talk about, you know, compliance, it's not just for bad guys,
it's for good guys too.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
And I'm not fault in the elderly woman.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
I know that comprehension wise, she just wasn't able to process,
you know, things, and it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
But I.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Know that she didn't want them to have to shoot
you know, her daughter, whoever the relationship was with the
email that was that was suicidal, But she increased the
chances of that happening, and it did because she was
there and they the cops were worried about the female
stabbing thederly, the elderly woman. So if she would have
complied and willingly gotten out of the picture, there's a

(41:18):
chance that that shooting never would have happened and the
suicidal chick would have got the help that she needed.
But so that's what I'm just saying. When police tell
you the deuce, guys, don't challenge them. If you want
to complain later or follow a criminal, complain if it's
really bad, do it. But on the scene, you there's
things you just don't know, things that you shouldn't know.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
And even when I get pulled over, things that I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
If they tell me to get out of the car,
stand on one foot it and put my handspum on
the back or whatever I'm doing it, I'm not going
to argue.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
I can argue later.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
But that's this is a perfect example on why it's
just so important they are aware of stuff that you
are not do what they tell you they do. Any
any final words, gentlemen on this one, or well, we've
got another another story. We may have just barely enough
time to cover it. We're gonna go to Miami again.
So Rumbo dot com this is butter Miami Day Cheer.

(42:08):
They released a bondycam of a deputy shooting a fifteen
year olds.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Do not move, Do not move.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
I'm gonna go quickly through this one, and the deputy's
open fire. Is a dangerous confrontation in southwest Miami Dade neighborhood.
A fifteen year old went to the hospital, so apparently
he didn't die. But according to the Miami Day Sheriff's Office,
the shooting occurred back in April.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
There was a confrontation with a teen.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Apparently the cops roll up and you got a bunch
of teens to end up running away. You got a
fifteen year old running away and he's got a gun
in his hands, and look at it goes fluently, but
our cop sees the gun of the guy's hand and
he's verbalizing quite well, and he ends up shooting him.
Team goes down and the team was only gracing the
ankle and transported to the medical center.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
So he's going to survive.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
But the weapon that the fifteen year old was carrying
had extended clip with about twenty rounds in it, and
the agency said that yeah, they cop showed up, and
you know, it's just like everybody likes splits. Office starts running,
But at least the cop is sharp enough to sea
to be aware of the weapon. And so deputy is
the rest of the fifteen year old Cornelius Lamont Comber
and his seventeen year old Philip Phillips, and they're facing

(43:28):
a lot of charges.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Commentary on this one, guys.

Speaker 5 (43:31):
Yeah, I mean, I'm amazed at the training that you know,
they've got to slow this video down and highlight certain
I mean, these officers just recognize those things very quickly.
And once again, the Sheriff's right. That would not have
happened in Washington because that extended magazine was illegal.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Wow, see what you started? See thee See the can of.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Worms you opened up now, sheriff, huh.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
Well, And I think this the other thing that this
kind of highlights is the fact that body camera, the
view from a body camera is not the same as
the view from a human eye. And I think that
that when you testify in court, you really need to
drive that home. And I think that when we release

(44:14):
these bodycam videos, it's incumbent upon the people that are
putting the videos out to explain, Hey, he is seeing
more than you're able to see on that bodycam video.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
But here's the other thing.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
You don't want to get shot by the police as
a fifteen year old. Don't run around with a gun
that you're not supposed to have.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Period.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know what he thought the cops
were gonna we're supposed to do.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
So another great show, Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Sure, Mark Kruder from Walla, Walla County and a retired
major you know from Tulsa Police Department, Travis HHS and
you know I will talk in a second about how
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