Masculinity Rewired: ⚔️❤️ Level 🆙 Conversation with Best Selling Author, Speaker and Film Maker Eric Rogell of The Lionheart Initiative

Eric Rogell is a two-time bestselling author, award-winning documentary filmmaker, and dynamic speaker who has inspired thousands of executives to lead with purpose and passion. With over 20 years of experience interviewing top performers—from athletes to entrepreneurs—he uncovers the hard-won truths behind success, resilience, and leadership. Featured in Forbes, NPR, and Discovery.com, Eric’s latest book Lions Raised as Lambs showcases his signature blend of insight, inspiration, and adventure. 

 📣 QUOTE: “Masculinity isn’t toxic. It’s misunderstood, misused, and mistaught.”  - Eric Rogell

Level 🆙 Take-Aways 

1. Fear is learned, but courage is a choice. Choosing courage creates a life that expands instead of contracts. 💥
2. Fulfillment is born from alignment, not achievement. Purpose will always outlast a paycheck. 🌟
3. Real confidence isn’t built on talent—it’s built on clear daily intention. 🧭
4. No one can lead others without first mastering self-awareness, discipline, and presence. 🧠
5. Vulnerability is not weakness; it’s proof of inner strength and self-control. 💪
6. Entitlement destroys growth. Earned effort builds identity, pride, and respect. 🚀 

🔹 Valuable Time-Stamps🔹
🕒 [00:04:00] Realizing Purpose — The turning point when comfort no longer satisfied purpose and alignment became the mission.
🕒 [00:09:00] Being Over Doing — The revelation that leadership impact comes from who you are, not what you do.
🕒 [00:11:00] Redefining Masculinity — Explaining that masculinity isn’t toxic, it’s misunderstood and needs integration of strength and compassion.
🕒 [00:20:00] Entitlement vs. Earning — A powerful story showing how victimhood breeds entitlement and why real respect must be earned.
🕒 [00:26:00] Lionhearted Leadership — The model of leading with the warrior’s strength and the lover’s compassion to create trust and impact. 

You Can Find Out more about The Lionheart Initiative and Contact Eric Here:

🌐 Visit Lions Raised as Lambs
🔗 Eric’s LinkedIn 
▶ Warriors, Lovers, Kings, Heroes YouTube
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Are you ready to level up?

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Do you wish to live a life of options and
not obligations? You've gone to the right place. Thank you
for stopping on by to hear knowledge nuggets from Coach
Fergie and his top tier guest to help you lean
into your ultimate human potential. Now let's level up with
Coach Fergie.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Hey, Varsity Squad, Welcome back to another powerful edition of
level Up Conversations with Coach Fergie the Time to Shine
Today Coaching. I'm your host, Scott Ferguson, blessed to be
your gap coach, specializing in performance mental conditioning work with
business leaders, entrepreneurs, entertainers, athletes, c suite and students to
help them breage their success gap and to live a
life of options and not obligations on this platform where
you're stoked, to bring you high performers who are not

(00:42):
just chasing and attaining success, but redefining it through providing
above and beyond service and squad. My knowledge nugget this week,
real quick is you know I tell people all the time,
don't take life too seriously because none of us are
getting out of this thing alive.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Now.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
I'm not talking about slacking or living reckless. It's about perspective.
Grind so hard, chase so many chuckboxes and measure ourselves
against highlight reels that we forget the simple truth this
whole ride is temporary. When you really get that, you
start to loosen your grip. You stop chasing approval and
start chasing presents. You laugh a little more, you connect
a little deeper. You stop needing to win every argument

(01:16):
because you realize most of it doesn't even matter in
the long run. That doesn't mean you don't push hard.
It means you push from gratitude, not fear. You train,
build love, and lead like every day is a bonus
round because it is so today. Squad, Let's lighten up,
smile in the struggle. I always say, you know, go
into the pain cave, hop on the struggle bus, you know,

(01:37):
call something you just you haven't talked to you in
a while, and just tell them how much you appreciate them.
You don't need to wait for the perfect moment to
live like you mean it. We're not making it out
alive anyway, so might as well make it matter while
we're here.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
And squad talk about this.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
I interviewed my guests that we have in studio today,
like four years ago, and we're always talking about meeting
up and unfortunately we haven't really gotten round to. But
now I have them in studio and he's a straight
up force of nature. But good friend, Eric Rogell. He's
just not a two time best selling author and award
winning documentary filmmaker. He's a storyteller who likes fires and
leaders everywhere he goes. For more than two decades, Eric's

(02:13):
been sitting down with elite performers, from battle tested athletes
to boardroom powerhouses, digging out the raw, unfiltered truth about
what it really takes to rise, lead, and thrive. You've
seen his work featured in Forbes, Mprdiscovery dot Com.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
But it's his newest book.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
It's not so much new anymore, but it's a book
that really locked into me. Lions Raises Lambs. That's shaking
up conversation around leadership and purpose. This isn't about playing
it safe. It's about waking up with a line inside
you and charging towards your mission with ferocity and heart.
He's a man who's walked through the fire, studied the grades,
and now teaches others to lead with both courage and

(02:48):
compassion and Varsity squad.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
Let's lean into this. Eric, thank you so much for
coming on.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Man, it's been a minute.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
It seems like we text more or five times a year,
but actually, you know, get in person.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
This is I think.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
We lived across the country from each other rather than
an hour away.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
For you know.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
So you got to ask you, man, when did you
realize you weren't just kind of telling stories but you
were kind of forging leaders. When did you when that
come to realization? Because people listen to you, Like I
even said on my package, you're like the most interesting
man in the world like that, Like you're that guy.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, yeah, you know, it's it's interesting, you know when
you think about it. For it's I grew up and
I say this in the book, I grew up raised
in a culture of fear. Right, everything was going to
kill me. You know, raised by a single mom, so
a lot of it was being imprinted by her fears.
So it was a lot of everything's going to kill me,

(03:42):
everything's going to hurt me, people are going to try
and take my stuff, people are going to try and
so be very afraid. That's how I grew up. And
then in the book, I talk about the culture of courage,
which is the opposite. You can do anything we believe
in you, right, get in there and get it done.
You know, you may get banged up a little bit,
but you're gonna be okay.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
Failure fail forward, right.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Right, And we don't have wins and losses in my world.
It's wins and learns. What did you learn from that? Right,
not a mistake. You got some wisdom from that battle
called what are you going to take forward? And so
for me, you know, there was one day I really
woke up and I was playing at safe. You know,
I was I was working at a financial publishing company.
I was making great money, but I every day I'd

(04:26):
get up, man, and I just couldn't look in the mirror.
And I've been doing some work with men, and I
was sharing my story and you know, helping mentor some
some young guys and working with some executives. And I
went to my mentor was a guy named Rob James,
who was the co author of the book with me,
this is really our story. And I said to Rob,

(04:46):
I just go, I can't do this anymore, right, I
got to do something more aligned with this purpose. Right,
And it's funny because he just kind of looked at
me and he smiled. He put his hand on my
shoulder and he said, we've been waiting for you.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
Love it.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
And that's when I kind of knew, like, you know,
this was my purpose. And I'll tell you, you know,
big change in the financial leaving that job and trying
to go out of my own and but I was
energized every day. Man, I was waking up and I'm like,
this is what I'm doing. I have an intention. My
intention every morning is I'm going to move at least

(05:21):
one man forward today on the path, right, and I
stick to that. So like today this would be part
of that, right, this is part of my attention, or
if it's a phone call with a client, or if
it's just running into somebody in the supermarket or a
coffee shop and having a conversation, so that's it. So

(05:42):
that's really where I learned that, you know, this was
my purpose, is what I was.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Meant to do.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
And I tell men all the time because look, and
it's mostly men, because we're taught from a young age,
hey be the provider, be the guy. And so men
go out and we get a job and we do
things and you know, we're on that hamster wheel every
day and miserable.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
Right.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
You know you know this because you work with a
lot of men too, and it's just they're not living
their purpose or not living their ideal, right, And that's
kind of where I was. And so that's what makes
it such a joy for me is being able to,
you know, take these men and go you can still
make money in your career about how do we get
you fulfilled?

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Love it?

Speaker 1 (06:24):
How do we get you live in your purpose?

Speaker 4 (06:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Being the man you're meant to be?

Speaker 3 (06:28):
And you the thing is, it's like you said, one
man a day, which a lot of people, you know,
one of my coaching my clients laugh at me now,
but they're like, you know, I tell them inch by
inches of cench right by the yard. It's hard, Like
just get that little momentum going and it just builds
and rolls like it happened with you.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
And also having that intention you are able to because
a lot of people have imposters center. They're like when
I get on stage in front of like twenty two
hundred people three weekends, God was like WHOA And I
felt like an impostor have to crowd out there could
spank me with their wallet. I mean they were just
they were all C suite executives whatnot. And an experienced

(07:06):
speaker who I immensely respect. You know, it's Alenstein. I'll
just say it was answering. He's amazing. He's like, for you, like,
what's going on? I told him, I'm like, I'm suffering here, man.
He's like, what's your intention? Because I was attaching my
confidence to my capabilities. He goes, what's your intention? And
I said to make one person in here leave better?
And he's like, then go out there and do that

(07:27):
and lean into your intentions also on my confidence raised right, absolutely,
you have somebody like.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
My dad was in radio back in his early days.
He went to college for that. And I had a
very small radio show forever ago, and he said to me,
the one typic of give me as you're speaking to
one person, right, just picked that one person, just talking
to it. And that's how the book was.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Do that a lot, bro, Yeah, do that a lot?

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Well, listen that that's kind of how the book is.
I mean, look, you know, Rob and I wrote this.
Our intention was that men were going to get the
impact that you got out of it, but you really
writing it to one person. And when I thought about it,
I was writing it to myself. Sure, right, And that's
really how you are. And it reminds me of a
couple of things come up in a movie. One was
a Hacksaw Ridge, one of my favorite, and it just

(08:13):
give me the strength for one more, Yes, right, just
one more? Just one more when you tell yourself that,
and it could be anything, you know, it could be,
you know, just just one more person I'm gonna lead,
or one more life I'm going to impact, or one
more hour with my kids or whatever it is. You
get that one more and that'll just move you forward
and it takes away that overwhelm of man, I got

(08:36):
to save every man, I got to save all of them, right, No, man,
just just save one more.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
To put your whole perspective together. And what you've did?

Speaker 3 (08:45):
You know, you've interviewed elite performers as well, right across
widely different you know arenas. So if you're stripped of
tactics away, what's the single inner practice that they all
share that you know? How you can keep something that
they do? Maybe tenants today they're not negotiable for their day.
What do you see that the most successful people that
you've interviewed or that you coach, find that they're the

(09:07):
most successful thing they do per day.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Listen. I would say it's it's one of the things
that I got from Rock, from my mentor, and that was,
you know what, we do a meditation practice every day.
And I'll tell you for me in you know, inherently,
I'm a doer. I'm the guy in the hamster wheel
that wants.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
To do do do do do do do do do do.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Go And and the biggest thing for me is was
realizing that it's not about what you're doing, it's who
you're being. And it's your being this that moves people forward,
right Like you can see, that's what they say, they
feel what they experience in you. And and so for me,
that that daily practice gets me focused centered in the

(09:50):
present moment, because my whole thing growing up was regretting
the past and worrying about the future. Well, just be
right here. And that took me out of the doing
and got me mourn into being.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
We're human beings, not human doings. Correct, you know people
see that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
And the thing that I get is even today, like
I'll do something and I'll you know, something will come
up and I'll be like, all right, what do I
gotta do? What do I have to do? Well? What
you what you know I really do is I just
stop and get present, right, just breathe, right, I'm here,
and let me just get present and then I can
focus and handle it from there. And so it's the
being this And I tell this to men all the time.

(10:31):
You don't have to do anything to be a man, right,
you don't have to. Sure, you know a lot of
guys come to me and they're like, ah, I gotta
grow a beard and get tattoos and you know, hunt
and killed and do whatever. Well, I mean, listen, if
if you're into that, great, that's awesome, not a requirement.
But who you're being? Right, And so we have in
the book, and I know you said you read it
so you've seen it as the warrior, the lover of

(10:53):
the king, and the hero archetype. Yes, sir, if you
stepping into those archetypes, you're being that warrior, being that lover,
being the king, being a hero. It reflects greatly on
the people around you. Sure they see it, they feel you.
And so for me to answer your question, now, getting
back to it is it's the beingness of who you are, right,

(11:14):
that matters more than what you're doing for anybody.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
And out of the the you know, the warrior, the lover,
the king, the hero.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
You know there the archetypes.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Which one do you see in men these days that
is most chronically underdeveloped?

Speaker 1 (11:30):
That's a great question. You know. One of the things
I always hear and you and I even mentioned it
before we got on the air, was this whole concept
of toxic masculinity. Sure, right, So I always say, you know,
masculinity is not toxic. It's misunderstood, misused and mistalked.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Right.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
So these young men today don't have an example or
a role model of what does really healthy masculinity look like. Right,
So here's what it has to have. Healthy masculinity looks like.
It's what we call in our work, right order masculinity.
What does that mean? We lead with our warrior, we

(12:10):
support with our lover. The integration of our warrior and
lover is where our king comes in. So I'll tell
the men that I work with live from your king.
They know right away it's leading with my warrior and
my lover. So I call it lion hearted, right, lion heart.
So the lion comes first now in our warrior. Those

(12:31):
are our traits that are just beautiful. That like being
a maverick and bold and confident, courageous, a leader, a mentor,
a guardian, you know, an adventurer, all these great things
in us as men, and then supporting that with the lover.

(12:51):
The lover is wisdom. Wisdom is on our lover's side, generosity, trust, inspiration, beauty, creativity,
place fullness, all the things that make life so just
juicy and delicious. Right when you can integrate your warrior
and your lover and the man that has both king
archetype king. So that's the thing that I think is

(13:13):
so misunderstood right now, is that. Look. I mean, if
you really want to look at it, the warrior and
the lover is the masculine love it Now, we all
have masculine and feminine in us. I'm not talking about
men and women male female masculine feminine energy. We've seen
it for centuries on the yin yang symbol. Right What
that is?

Speaker 4 (13:33):
That thought though?

Speaker 3 (13:34):
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and again here with with Eric Riguel, the author of lions,
raises lambs, and the book just he starts strong with it.
I mean, you we dig in and one of your
quotes in there is the end of human race will
be that it will be eventually die of civilization over civilization.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, that's Ralph Waldo Emerson.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Just a beautiful quote, isn't it so?

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Like it's so true because there's so many you know,
like the tough men make easier times easier times, makes
weak men the weak men, and you know, and on
and on. So you're kind of talking a little bit
about the energy and the masculine of feminine, how they
kind of come together to make Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
And the important thing to remembers we have both. But
leading with the warriors key. And I'll tell you why. Listen,
a lot of men will come to me. They're like, well,
I want to be loving and I want to be
kind and I want to you know, have compassion. Absolutely
I agree, but when you lead with that, it makes
you look weak, understood, right, So if you're leading with
your boldness and your courage and your you know, mentorship

(16:53):
and maverickness, will just say you're seen as stronger and
then you can show that that other side to yourself.
So that's why you know, listen, if we were just
warrior only, masculine energy only, we would be overbearing.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
Ego would take over and just crazy.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
You know, nobody want to be with it. Sure, you
have to have that loving heart side, especially like in
our relationships, you know, but the women want to see
that we're strong first. So that's why I always say, lionhearted,
love it right, Lead with the warrior, support with the lover.
That's the king. And when men get this and start
doing this and their relationships, they come back to me.
They're like even even in leadership in their business, like

(17:30):
when their business, if I'm leading, is the warrior with
my team, But then I have that support that I
believe in you, you know, compassion that side. The changes
are remarkable and what they see.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
And like you're not crushing the ego because you know,
ego that's kind of built from entitlement is bad, right,
But ego built from capability can work for you, right.
I mean a lot of that. I do have a
saying you know that your ego is not your am
ego right sometimes right because they can go off the rails.
Sure what like and I kind of want to saying

(18:05):
that I want to kind of transition into today.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
And like, you know, with kind of a no filter,
look at the kids today.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Sure, you know, because again I'm blessed to speak at
high schools a lot, and it's something I do for free,
and you know, talking to them, and I'm just not
and I'm afraid for the future, especially from the masculine
side or the men's side. Tell us what is going
on out there that you're seeing, because I mean, you
wrote it in this book. Yeah, And I could preach
from this book all day, right, but like I want

(18:33):
to hear it straight from you.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, listen, you know. And one of the things we
tried were our intention to do, I'll say so our
intention writing this book with Rob and I was really
looking at how men are raised today. And I use
myself as an example because look, man, I'm the first
one to admit I was raised in a culture of fear.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
You know.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
I always joked at my mother raised me like a veal.
I had to be very soft and tender and not
get bunder yeah right, that was me as a bubble
wrapped kid. And she was doing it not out of
malice or trying to hurt me. It made me weaker,
but she wasn't trying to hurt me. She was trying
to protect me. This only way she knew how to
do it right. So I look at it that way,

(19:13):
and I'm glad you said the ego because look, the
ego is either not your amigo or it can be
your amigo. And when you look at it in terms
of my ego means I'm better than you or I'm
entitled to this, then it's bad. But if your ego
is I'm the guy that's going to spread this message.
If you didn't have a big ego, Fergie, you would

(19:34):
not be doing what you're doing. You would not be
getting up on that. You couldn't get up on those stages.
But it's become your tool. It doesn't run you, you're
running it. That's kind of how I look at it,
and I think what I'm looking at today and kind
of why we did this book was there's a lot
of entitlement out there today, and I can speak this
because I was it. I had this thing growing up

(19:59):
that I just discovered. I'll tell you a very very
quick story. I was a cub scout. We had a
cup scout like jamboree. They used to do those big
cup scouty things and they had a raffle and they
were raffling off all this you know, fun stuff in
my den. Every kid in my den won a raffle
prize except me, So I was, you know, this week,

(20:19):
little kid. I started crying. I'm upset. My mother is
running around yelling at people that this is a fair whatever.
I go home. I'm in my room and I'm crying
and I'm being the little whiny victim boy, which is
what I did. And one of the guys in my
den is a knock at the door of doorbell rings
and it's him and his mom and he's crying and

(20:40):
he's handing my mother his prize.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
He felt bad for me because I was the only
one that didn't win anything, so he wanted to give
me his right. So what did I take away from that?
For you?

Speaker 4 (20:50):
What was my entitlement that you're entitled to get something.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
The more of a victim and the more I wind
and complain, people will give me stuff.

Speaker 4 (20:59):
Right.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
That became my new strategy. I'm gonna be a victim
and then people are gonna give me things. And I
thought it was working my whole life. Now I get
into this, Rob becomes my mentor. He's raising a culture
of courage. So he'sn't raised on a you know, a
cattle ranch with ranchers and men that were like John
Wayne and Wyatt Earth. They don't put up with stuff

(21:22):
like that, right right, and they're like, you know, you
got to earn this, and they're like courage. But they're
encouraging him from a young man, encouraging you can do this.
Get in that pen with those hogs, tag the hogs,
you know, drive these heavy machinery at like twelve years old.
So he learns you earn everything, and there's a sense

(21:46):
of accomplishment when you earn it, and you gain respect
from the men around.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
And it's cool to build the ego from that.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
There you go. So that's what I'm saying, that's the
good ego.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Right, earned it.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
I can do this. I earned it. What I see
right now is the entitlement culture where it's like, hey,
you know, I just deserve this. It's everybody gets a
trophy thing, right, And I think that's where the lot
of this came from. Was all I need to do
is participate, and I'm going to get a prize.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Right.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
I know this again because I was there. Sure, that's
the thing. I'm killing off more and more and more
in me.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
That's axident.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Got to earn it, got to get it, got to
go out there and do it. And you know, you're
looking at the politics these days, and you're looking at
the culture these days, and you're looking at schools, and
you're looking at you know, organized sports, and you know,
I even spoke to a couple of guys from the
NBA ecual NBA players. We get a whole thing on
entitlement in the NBA, right, guys that they don't want

(22:39):
to practice, they don't want to listen to the coach. Hey,
I just signed a contract. I make more money than you, coach,
Why should I listen to you. That's what we're seeing.
So we've gone from this where you have to earn
that kingdom right, to where no, just give me my
king right.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
Those are the kingdom's fall. You know that's what will happen.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
I've seen it. You know you'll see it happen with me.
But I was more raised where compete, compete, compete, and
I got good, and then when I didn't know how
to lose, the right way or learn okay, fair enough
to both sides, you know, because I was raised by
a father right where like it was different. It was
almost like I needed some of that feminine you know,

(23:20):
and I got it. Luckily I had an aunt in
my life. It was there for me that that kind of,
like said, I told my pops relaxed.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Well, that's where you understand where that warrior and lover commuted.
You have to both and integrate them to be the king.
And that's that's where we get lionhearted from right.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
So if courage plus compassion is kind of like the
new leadership edge that you kind of talked about. So
give me a scenario where be more compassionate might have
made you or one.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
Of your clients you work with stronger and not softer.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
You have like an example, I've got an example that
I usually give for for for corporate for leaders and
you know, let's just say, Ferg, you work for me,
and you're working on a project, and it's Friday afternoon
and I've got this thing's got to be on my
desk Monday, so you're gonna have to work over the weekend,
right right. So I come to you and I'm like, hey, Fergie, listen,

(24:15):
you know that thing you're working on for me? I
need that on my desk Monday morning. And I know
that means you have to work over the weekend, but
I don't care because if it's not on my desk
Monday morning, you're fired. So how does that feel like
as an employee to be spoken to that way?

Speaker 4 (24:29):
Yeah? Not too well?

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Right, And that's all warrior, but it's a limiting warrior.
It's like overbearing and inconsiderate and that kind of thing, right,
And I know a lot of people. I'm sure you
need to lead that way. Sure, And now listen, there's
some places where that's perfectly okay. I would say the military.
You were in the military, right, you're getting a direct order,
that's just it, right, or first responders or you know
that kind of thing that works, but it's.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
Just life or death morning, right.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Different. But in the corporate world, and that's where you ask,
that's what that does. Now, let's just take the same
scenario and I come to you and I'm like, hey,
for are you? You know, we love you here, We
love the work that you do. We think it's so amazing,
and I know you're working on that project for me
that you know I need on my desk Monday morning. Oh,
I know that means you have to work over the weekend.
And it makes me feel awful that you have to

(25:15):
work over the weekend. But you know, if it's not
on my desk Monday morning, I'm gonna have to fire you.
And that's going to make me feel better. Right, How
does that feel?

Speaker 4 (25:23):
You feel a little bit better? But you're still ending snow.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
It's like you're blowing smoke and I don't believe you
and I'm waiting for the other shoot drop and feel fake.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Yeah, without a doubt.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yeah, So now let's try this one. That's the last scenario.
Berget how you doing. Listen, We've made a decision. The
decision is I need that project on my desk Monday morning.
There's no way around it. We've tried, we've looked at it,
but Monday morning is it. And I know that means
you have to work over the weekend. So here's what
we're going to do. I'm going to make sure you
have my number so you can contact me if any help.

(25:55):
I'm going to give you the number of everybody on
the team if you need anything over the weekend. You
call us, we will have your back. Love it because
I understand that if we don't have this on Monday,
there's going to be some consequences. But I don't think
it's going to get to them because we believe in you.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
When we trust you across the board.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
It's it's when when I could go on all day,
but we have to actually wrap this up.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
Oh no, how can we find your brother?

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Oh listen, we before I do that. But that last
one felt.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Good one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
That was leading with the warrior, supporting with the love.
See the difference, you feel it more right. That's how
we be in our families, our husbands, I think. So
find me. Go to Lions Raised as lambs dot com. Absolutely,
you'll get a thing on the book. You'll get some
you know, get you know, the link to Amazon. You'll
get some free stuff from me. You'll get you know,
some reviews, a little more information on what's going on

(26:43):
some the other things we have doing. So Lions Raised
as Lambs dot com.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Love it and squad that's Lions Raised as Lambs dot com.
Lions Raised as lambs dot com. And also there's a
book by that name as well. The first person that
calls in at five six one four for zero three
eight three zero again five six one four four zero
three eight three zero. I have a signed copy here.
I'm happy to if you're local here in Palm Beach,
deliver it to you or stick it in the mail.

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And last question, yeah, quickly, what's your definition of a
life well lived?

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Oh? When you fulfilled your purpose and you've left what
I call generational impact.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
I love that where.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Down the road it's like your grandkid's grandkids are like yeah,
and people say he did it, this is who he was.
Generational impact.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
Love that.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
And Squad, do you hear that generational impact? Knowing that
you know that my man here is planting trees. He's
never gonna sit in the shade of you know. He
does things for the intention, not the attention. Those are
the people I like to surround myself with. So a
huge thank you to w J and O to my
producer Brian Mutt and Eric to actually have him in
studio here today. And Squat go out there and have
a great weekend and love your guts and level up