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Speaker 5 (02:30):
Hello, Hello, Hello, bonnet heads, How are you guys?
Speaker 6 (02:34):
It is I Pamela Bob, your host, the creator of
living on a prairie, and I am here with our
famous prairie bitch.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
That's right, Allison Arncrog. We love her so even though
she's nasty. And of course we're also here with our
hattag abadge and every boyfriend. Oh I see you, prop
it's tea.
Speaker 7 (02:53):
You're saying something nice, you know, yeah in your costume.
Speaker 8 (02:58):
Man, Yes, I got the kazum.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Well what's going on, folks? Any news this week?
Speaker 8 (03:07):
Well, you know, just really here.
Speaker 9 (03:11):
It seems like it's a little.
Speaker 8 (03:12):
House all the time for me.
Speaker 7 (03:14):
So not only are we prepping that, you know, we're
prepping our agreements to be able to do events.
Speaker 9 (03:21):
We are actually in pre production producing an event.
Speaker 8 (03:25):
Currently, I am.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
Attempting to step into my new book that just sold
and have to are going to go for a second one.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
So have we started it?
Speaker 7 (03:38):
Yes, I have, yes, and so, but boy, I can
tell you writing the second one is going to be
much tougher than writing the first one.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Yeah, Well, because the first one was really.
Speaker 9 (03:51):
It's all about it's all about it was in my case,
it was all about my life. There was nothing fictional
about it, and.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
I'm sure it felt very inspired.
Speaker 9 (03:58):
Yes, well, well, like I you know, I knew it
so well.
Speaker 7 (04:02):
Now what I'm working on is something that I really
have to be thinking about and plotting and you know,
and researching more to be able to be intelligent.
Speaker 9 (04:13):
About it or somewhat somewhat clear about it.
Speaker 7 (04:16):
So anyway, I think it's a much more challenging, a
much more challenging thing to do.
Speaker 9 (04:20):
That's I would say about that.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
And then the last thing we just tonight or last week,
we just announced a wonderful new event at our Seami Valley,
or rather our Columbia event, a ride on the Sierra
Railroads engine number three for our event, and a really
cool thing we're going to do, and it's just you know,
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just between us. Okay, we won't tell you we're going
to be celebrating Kent McCrae's birthday because we are doing
the train event on his birthday, doing something, yes, and
we are doing something special with the train to honor
Camp McCrae.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Okay, I'm in suspens.
Speaker 9 (05:01):
So that that's gonna be really fun.
Speaker 8 (05:03):
Allison, what are you doing?
Speaker 10 (05:06):
What am I doing?
Speaker 11 (05:07):
Wondering if I should eventually sleep? I know, nine shows
in France and then I came back from France for
Monday night.
Speaker 10 (05:14):
And now I'm it's there. It is, there'sday.
Speaker 11 (05:17):
I'm in Atlanta. I got a couple of days out.
Then I'm here and I have a show. I'm doing
a show tomorrow here at the Opront Theater. Uh, like
you know, I get to hang out here. I'm gonna
save tomorrow's skirt, chill and like deal with the show.
And then as you're coming back to the East Coast
then and.
Speaker 10 (05:32):
Then I'm going to go home. I'm not going early
and I think I'm going to tea on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
That's like my schedule. I'm gonna chill.
Speaker 11 (05:40):
And then it's all interviews because basically, Tina are getting
interviewed NonStop about what do you think about the nation?
Speaker 10 (05:44):
What do you think about then do you think about the.
Speaker 8 (05:47):
Big Deal?
Speaker 7 (05:48):
Yeah, Alison and I are doing interviews together, which is
a fascinating.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Thing about the Netflix show.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
Yeah, about the Netflix Well that's why they call and
then we're like starting the conversation.
Speaker 10 (06:00):
We have books in an event up in Snars podcast.
Speaker 9 (06:04):
Yeah first too.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
But people are fascinated by what's to come with this,
with this new series that we can talk about that
with our upcoming guest.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Okay, okay, okay, well he's chuckling. All right, Well we'll
get to it.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
Then.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Coming up today, and we're recapping an episode all about
men and boys. That's right. But first two of my
favorite things.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
But first producing the studios of Thebenco in Bourbon, California.
This is a Little House fiftieth anniversary podcast. Okay, all right,
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Dean hit Us.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
What are we recapping?
Speaker 8 (07:02):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (07:02):
Well, today's episode is episode ten of season five, Men
Will Be Boys. Men Will Be Boys premiered on November thirteenth,
nineteen seventy eight. Written by Don Ballack. I think a
really nice script by Dom. I worked a lot when
I came on the show. Don was a had become
a very stable part of that staff and wrote some
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really wonderful episodes. So written by Don Ballock and directed
by r Pal William F.
Speaker 9 (07:31):
Claxton Glaxter.
Speaker 7 (07:33):
Yeah, he was just wonderful, so Claxter, So what, Allison,
what's the synopsis of this episode?
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Yes, that's not a podcast.
Speaker 11 (07:42):
Here we go is while their fathers secretly trailed them,
young Elbert Ingles and Andy Garvey shut off to prove
their metal as men by accepting a challenge to live
by their wits during a week lawn a week laun
to teap that long day, week.
Speaker 10 (07:57):
Long overland walk from Walnut Grove to Sleepy.
Speaker 9 (08:00):
I am back.
Speaker 11 (08:00):
It does not take a week to walk to sleep Ye,
because I put in the car driven it fine.
Speaker 10 (08:05):
Also, there's no mountains and trees and the thing we'll.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
Talk about that.
Speaker 8 (08:09):
I don't know you can talk about that.
Speaker 10 (08:10):
But the boys versus the men and who will.
Speaker 7 (08:14):
Win and the and the high jinks ensue is what
you know, you should sort of kind of button that up,
you know.
Speaker 9 (08:21):
So Albert and Andy are doing summer work to make wages. Well,
let's before we got too much into that.
Speaker 10 (08:29):
Have to bring in, bring in.
Speaker 9 (08:31):
Our guests today.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
Are so blessed, that's right, blessed.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
Because once again we have one of our favorite people
ever here joining us on the podcast, the one, the only,
Patrick Levertou. Welcome back, Patrick, Thank you, Thank you, guys,
thank you so excited so much as everyone here knows,
it's my favorite episode.
Speaker 7 (08:51):
So this is what you took.
Speaker 8 (08:54):
Yeah, you just took that.
Speaker 9 (08:55):
That was part of the That was part of the setup.
Speaker 7 (08:57):
It had to be that this is one of your
favorites and you've always said that it's been very consistent.
Speaker 8 (09:02):
For you on that level.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
So as I'm just going to give you my quick
recap of this and then you'll get into the specifics
of it. But so Albert Andy are doing summer work
to make wages and because they think because they're contributing
as men, they don't feel like they should either have
to go to school or do chores around the house. Now,
(09:27):
Jonathan in a really interesting so Jonathan Garvey remembers an
event that he has a with a relative, which triggers
the idea and of course there's pushback on this that
the boys are really still boys, but they don't think
they're boys. So the parents, the two fathers, decide that
they're going to teach their sons a lesson and then
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they the next hour or the next forty minutes is
really really fun. The thing that jumps out at me
about this about what we see in this episodearticularly with Michael.
Speaker 9 (10:01):
I feel like this is a flashback to Haas and
Little Joe, is what the vibe feels like between us.
It's that energy.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
Michael loves that dynamic with he being the little buddy
to the big guy.
Speaker 9 (10:19):
It's just it's a wonderful dynamic for him.
Speaker 8 (10:22):
It works.
Speaker 7 (10:23):
I think sometimes it leads Paw to cease being Paw
as we know Pa. You know, he becomes something else
in the interest of the drama or in the interest
of the comedy.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Comedy.
Speaker 7 (10:37):
Yeah, then in this case the comedy, and he comes
back to by the end, of course, there's a lovely
ending to this. It all comes back around and pause
the Paw that we expect him to be, and that
he that people love, and the boys are great and
Jonathan's great. But the thing that jumps out at me
more than anything else about this episode, other than the
beautiful scenery and Sonora and the wonderful of the brothers,
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is this Michael.
Speaker 9 (11:03):
Playing this different brand of comedy that he.
Speaker 8 (11:06):
Does in these kinds of situations.
Speaker 7 (11:09):
It's it's oh, it's very interesting, and it's just it
is who he was in this kind of situation.
Speaker 9 (11:16):
But Patrick, that's my quick take on this, or longer
than quick take.
Speaker 8 (11:22):
How do you feel about the episode? I think you
nailed it.
Speaker 12 (11:26):
One of my favorite things about Michael was how funny
he was. And it's the first thing I tell people is, like,
you don't understand how funny Michael was I think this
show there's many of them, but because he did, we
did so many episodes of the show. But this is
I think one of my favorites because Michael is so
funny in it and Merlin's funny in it.
Speaker 8 (11:47):
I mean, the dads are really funny, hilarious.
Speaker 12 (11:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And like you were saying, you know,
it got me thinking, obviously, there are a lot of
tropes in this show with you know, Sullivan's Travels, with
you know, me and my brother and going down traveling
across you know, the country where you've got not Sullivan's Travels.
Speaker 8 (12:08):
I want to put the rabbitsh Bulliver's Travels was one,
but like the other one, the one where it's like
the smart one and the dumb one.
Speaker 13 (12:17):
It was the dumb one.
Speaker 8 (12:19):
Mice and men. Yeah, and and so it's like you've
got you've got these type of.
Speaker 12 (12:27):
That dynamic of you know, city boy versus country boy,
and Michael and Merlin just killing it with the comedy. Uh.
Speaker 8 (12:38):
Because I've always said I watched A Little House.
Speaker 12 (12:41):
Before I was on the show, because it was about
a girl my age, someone that's like, oh, these are
stories about someone that's my age, and of course Militia
is so like magnetic and like you just watch her
do anything and it's really entertaining. But I was never
a big fan of the heavy duty drama which the
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Little House had all the time.
Speaker 8 (13:05):
I like the funny the werewolf and all. Walnut Grove
was another one that reminds me of like this type
of thing Harriet's happening.
Speaker 12 (13:12):
There's a lot of different type of episodes that where
you get more comedic centered performances.
Speaker 8 (13:20):
And that's why. Plus, I mean the basic idea is
my brother and I were up in Sonora in the woods.
I mean, that was just so much fun.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
The woods of the prairie, yes, Sierra Madres.
Speaker 14 (13:41):
When you're walking from Walnut Grove to eventually you can
see it in front of you because there's nothing in
the way and it's completely flat, you can go and
there it is over there.
Speaker 10 (13:52):
There's no mountain or river across. It was hysterical.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
I mean it was I have to say, like the
trees and the folly really stood out in this episode,
really stood out this episode. But anyway, let's start from
the beginning. Right from the beginning, move over, Carrie, there's
a new girl in town. Baby Grace is rock in
the angles home, cute as can be. She's looking at
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the actors. She's looking at the lights. I love when
babies look at the studio lights because it's so obvious.
Speaker 9 (14:24):
And you know Albert's before she has long white hair.
Speaker 10 (14:27):
Yeah, she's literally on.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
I know, she's just staring at the studio lights.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
I had a girl me too moment with Ma telling
Albert to make his bed because she's like, when you
live in a house this small, any little thing. And
I was like, yes, I know, I relate, make your
bed anyway, this is this is the thing that stood
out to me, which I've never this is new. So
they were like, you're on summer vacation, and I thought
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summer vacation.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
Did they have summer vacation then? So I turned into
Alison and I sleeped. I have facts here, the facts. Okay,
you're the facts.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
In the eighteen seventies, schools in the United States, especially
in rurals areas, often had two terms, one in the
winter and the other in the summer, with the idea
of long summer break not yet widely instituted. In rural areas,
children were often needed to help with.
Speaker 10 (15:20):
The farm work.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
Yeah, of course during the summer, which influenced timing of
the school terms. This shift towards a longer school year
and a more standardized calendar, including long summer breaks, began
in the late heated eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds.
But for some reason, this is the first time that
that ever stood out to me of like summer vacation
seems wrong.
Speaker 10 (15:41):
That's the main farm work done.
Speaker 11 (15:44):
That's crop done, No, and then the harvest, so it's
like after harvest, and like before.
Speaker 10 (15:48):
Planting is like your big school time.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
No that they're also in the they're all in jackets,
they're all wearing its.
Speaker 11 (15:56):
Like what the temperature freezing at night too, everybody's so
cold and then a rain.
Speaker 7 (16:03):
If you're really in Minnesota, you're sweating at night in
the summertime.
Speaker 9 (16:09):
It's the humidity is unbelievable. I didn't even think about it.
Speaker 8 (16:18):
And that a great story.
Speaker 12 (16:19):
When they when they shot this movie called Children of
the Corn, corn found out that there's a special law
in where there's corn that you can get kid labor
because they need all the labor they can and it's
still on the books. So they found this place to
shoot this movie and exploit all the child labor they
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could based on that very thing that you're talking about
harvest It's.
Speaker 8 (16:43):
Like it's it's harvested. So they had all of this
planning based around that.
Speaker 12 (16:48):
But of course, just before people get too freaked out, no,
we were all as far as the actor kids. We
you know, we didn't go to school in the summer,
which is why we love it and why they shot
us in a thousand degree heat. And sure, sure, but
yeah it was a great The actual shooting of it
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one of the one of the things I don't think
I've ever told anyone.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
We don't tell me.
Speaker 8 (17:15):
Yeah, no, it's just a no is as brothers will do.
Speaker 12 (17:22):
We had all these little games and competitions that were
always part of like growing up together, and one of
them when you're a child actor is for us was
how fast can you get out of wardrobe? No one
understand that there are rules because you when you're raised good,
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you don't leave your clothes in a pile on the floor.
Speaker 8 (17:48):
You leave you laid out as a little flat person
or hanging or whatever it is. Because the people that
are wardrobe don't need to be picking up after you.
Speaker 12 (17:56):
So you had to get out of your wardrobe, change
into your street clothes, and be out of your trailer,
or be out of your you know, honeywagon.
Speaker 8 (18:05):
I think we actually shared one.
Speaker 12 (18:06):
So it was basically a race to the point where
it became one of us was smart enough to realize, hey,
wait a minute, if I don't take my clothes off
and just put my wardrobe on top of my clothes,
then I can be faster than the broader. In this episode,
all all every scene we're in, all of our street
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clothes are underneath our wardrobe because we wanted.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
To get we wanted to win the who got.
Speaker 12 (18:32):
Changed first, So we're wearing street clothes under all of
these which worked out well because even in the summer,
the mountains were cold, but still it was it was
it's like, every time I see this episode, I got.
Speaker 8 (18:45):
I'm wearing I'm wearing my T shirt underneath that Gingham.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
We did that on Broadway when I was in A
Gentleman's Guide to Love and Murder.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
It would always be this.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
We would always have a break before the final scene
we had to be in and we'd take off the
corset because no one could really tell if we didn't
have the course of on and we'd put in like
our pants under the big skirts so that we could
get out of the theater faster.
Speaker 10 (19:06):
Isn't that it's so naughty.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
It's really naughty.
Speaker 9 (19:09):
That's tell tell anyone that's so.
Speaker 8 (19:12):
We were basically Broadway actors out on the prairie.
Speaker 7 (19:15):
Yeah, just a quick Broadway story in the elements, a
quick Broadway story to to just to interject that I
love that we are. Our musical director into the woods
was a wonderful, wonderful conductor named Paul Jemin Yanni who was.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Like legend, legends, absolute legends.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
Paul wanted to make a particular train after the end
of every show.
Speaker 9 (19:40):
And he obviously he's doing that. She's been doing the
show for hundreds of performances. He knows exactly.
Speaker 10 (19:46):
Where we are, so that he's.
Speaker 9 (19:50):
Ye, by god, those tempos started to work to make
that train work.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
And there there were nights when we were flying through
the end so that Paul would make his train.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
It's going so fast, that's funny, and he just he
was he was not going to miss that train.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
And and that's when we miss the train, you have
to wait an hour for.
Speaker 9 (20:14):
The next one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, enough of
that anyway.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Yes, okay, all right, so, and.
Speaker 10 (20:18):
I'm glad you're suppose because there were people who didn't.
We all know that tip they didn't hang up their clothes.
Speaker 9 (20:26):
I'm sorry, not what now there pick up?
Speaker 11 (20:29):
There were certain persons who did throw all their clothes
on the floor.
Speaker 10 (20:32):
I'm not saying.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
No one's naming names. No one's naming names.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
Michael Landon, I had another story.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
There are are when I came into when I started
the show as our men's costumer, was a wonderful, very shy,
retiring guy named Mike Tremini. Yeah, and Mike very early on,
and I don't know how I could not have been
hanging up the wardrobe afterwards, but I did get a.
Speaker 9 (21:00):
Note from him about please hang up your clothes when
you're done, and uh no, I'm embarrassed even admit that
I had to be asked that.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
But from that point forward, I basically ironed the clothes
when I were done with them and hung them back
on the hangar, and the boots lined up perfectly and
everything right there. I mean, that is such a and
you realize, of course, these guys are taking care of,
you know, a dozen people it's hard work and everybody's
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got their little idiosyncrasies with their clothes, and yeah, as
an actor, you've got to hang up those clothes and
make sure that they're in good or no, they're all
going to go to the cleaners. Everything's going out unless
there's it's built into continuity for something that you've done.
Speaker 9 (21:47):
But you want to leave that stuff looking looking good.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
So so uh so Patrick, you you and your brother,
Uh well, your clothes were wrinkled probably at the end
of the.
Speaker 12 (21:57):
Day, your real clothes that you're well but yeah, I mean,
but real clothes for a thirteen year old.
Speaker 8 (22:03):
Your T shirt and jeans. Who cares?
Speaker 6 (22:06):
No, I always think about the wardrobe people because no
matter how tired you are, and.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
At the end of the day, you get to go
home and they have to stay and do laundry, which is.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
Jeez.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Patrick.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Also, I didn't ask you this. What did you think
when you got this strip? What did you and your
brother think?
Speaker 5 (22:23):
You were you psyched about this episode?
Speaker 8 (22:25):
Absolutely absolutely excited. We knew we were going to be shooting.
Speaker 12 (22:30):
The thing I remember being excited about was that we
were shooting in Sonora. I always loved going to Sonora.
The little town there kind of felt like it kind
of opened up its arms whenever we were there, and
it was just really and I don't obviously we shot
it during the summer, but we would also sometimes spend
Christmas time up in Sonora, and it was really really
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cool because being from the valley, it's like what snow,
you know, and so having all of that in Sonora, so.
Speaker 8 (22:59):
I was excited to go to.
Speaker 12 (23:01):
It was really great because we could rehearse at home
and get everything ready so that when we were shooting,
it wasn't like we had I'm a very I like
to prep beforehand type.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
Of guy, and so on the day, no matter how
old I was, I always just like to be ready,
and so it was really great to have to have that.
And then just the idea of like working with my
brother on a.
Speaker 12 (23:31):
Much bigger part of you know, I was obviously it
was just about these four characters, the dads and the sons,
and so getting to work with my brother was really
really fun. He's a good actor, and we also obviously
knew each other, so there were like all these.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
Inside things that we were doing.
Speaker 12 (23:53):
You mentioned you mentioned Kent McCrae, who is in this episode,
is an episode.
Speaker 9 (24:00):
Is he this you guys don't know this. You know
what it means.
Speaker 8 (24:02):
He's a speaky guy at the dude. No, yeah, that's
a minute.
Speaker 9 (24:10):
He wasn't Was he credited as himself?
Speaker 8 (24:13):
I don't know if he credited.
Speaker 9 (24:14):
I think it's called Spook or something.
Speaker 10 (24:16):
That's what that is range Range of the Woods.
Speaker 9 (24:21):
I've got to check that credit.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
I didn't realize that. I mean, how it was fun.
So it was really fun.
Speaker 12 (24:27):
And again, like I said, the whole idea of just
any boys and man boys. I loved the girls on
the show, but just when you're a teenage boy, it's
like boys. It's like so hanging out with Merlin and Charles.
And I tell this, one of my favorite stories happened
in this episode about the berry bush, which you know
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I tell the story online, but it's I'm a hungry person.
I'm always hungry, I will always eat. And there was
a song going war between me and the prop department
with the food, right, and so I got all these
stories about food and eating. And we were out in
the forest and you know, they found the locations.
Speaker 8 (25:11):
To do a great job. They found this area where
it was clearing and they had these they found.
Speaker 12 (25:16):
A berry bush, and so the whole scene is that
Albert and Andy are starving and so they eat the
berries and then they continue on and we kind of
stripped the berry bush, so Paul and you know the pause,
can't get anything to eat, and so we're eating.
Speaker 8 (25:29):
We're eating the berries and I'm just plowing through them.
Speaker 12 (25:32):
On camera you can see how fast I'm eating and
that was pretty much me off camera too, and Glen,
our assistant props guy, was like, hey, hey, hey, hey,
slow down on the berries. I'm like, oh, okay, okay,
and so I would slow down, but I didn't. I
didn't stop, didn't stop, and he goes we do another take,
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and we didn't do a lot of takes, but in
between each one, I'm you know, I'm chowing down on
these berries and he says, Patrick, no, really, we just
don't don't don't have any berries in between.
Speaker 8 (26:05):
We need to save the berries for on camera. I'm like, oh, okay,
you know. Then berry berry. Another it's like again not stopping,
but like I'm totally get what you're saying. Berry.
Speaker 12 (26:20):
We're doing the scene until finally Glenn, who is like
like all the other one is just so calm with
the kids. But he comes over and he goes, Patrick,
come on, man, I was up until four in the
morning stringing this berry bush with these berries. And you
looked and he had sown all the berries onto this bush.
Because no, there's no berry bush that the locations people
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find in.
Speaker 13 (26:44):
A forest and then you shoot there, you bring the berries,
you bring the bush, you make them rough.
Speaker 12 (26:50):
But you know, I've only been in the business since
I'm three, so I'm new and I don't get that.
And I'm just eating these berries and I it's.
Speaker 8 (26:59):
Like to this day when I when I go I
just was at the story today, I was getting blueberries.
I'm like, going, I wonder how hard it would be toberry.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
The poor guy.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
I actually was saying that when I was watching the episode,
I was like, oh, the prop guy had to make
a berry.
Speaker 7 (27:15):
Goods and they were really they were really good. I
can totally see Glenn asking you trying to be really
cool about to slow down on the berries, because yeah,
Dad run on Nickelodeon.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Oh I love that you used him. That's so nice.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
All the Prairie family stayed together. Okay, here's something I
need to bring up with you guys. Yes, so we
all know that Andy cares very much about honesty and
truthfulness from the Cheaters, and Albert wants to cheat and
and hitch a wagon and get to sleepy that way,
and Andy's like, no, because I have honor and I
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am I'm truthful.
Speaker 8 (28:03):
And really exactly like in real life, he's a horrible,
mean person. I all only want to help people.
Speaker 11 (28:12):
But then.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Like that, and he has no problem lying about his
parents being dead or.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
Long.
Speaker 9 (28:24):
He's cool when that long.
Speaker 8 (28:26):
Yeah, well he'd smell the grave.
Speaker 12 (28:28):
Ye, Andy knew where his stomach was more than anything
that I also tell this story everything again. On another
one of these stories, was I noticed because I'm doing
all of these stories on TikTok and stuff, and I've
got all of my such a.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Great world, I know, I loving TikTok so good, and
I'm like kind.
Speaker 12 (28:46):
Of watching all of my work, and I noticed that
in a movie I did called Heather's where I play
this like horrible jock that in the Cheaters, when I
pushed Albert down, it's like, oh, that's kind of like
ram Sweeney, kind of proto Ramsweeney.
Speaker 8 (29:01):
But in this one, when Albert does that thing, like, oh,
I remember about home and he looks up. Andy looks up, like,
what were you looking at? Where's home? And then I
do another look where I'm like, what is he looking at?
Is what I'm thinking as the actor, right, And so
I'm watching Heathers, and in Heathers, we're two jocks that
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come over to like intimidate Christian Slater and the other
jock goes, yeah, but there's a no and then like
a racial or like a sexual slur, he goes, yeah,
but there's no blank rule here in the cafeteria and
he looks up. And so I stole this look that
I did in Little House, where I'm doing the.
Speaker 12 (29:43):
Same bit where I'm looking around for this there's this
rule that doesn't exist because it can't exist. And it's
really funny because and I put the two things together
where this actor who's me, but this actor is like,
you know, Twell thirteen is doing the same bit ten
years later.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Hey, if it works, it works.
Speaker 8 (30:03):
Man, It's a golden bit, and go ahead, no, no, no.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
I was gonna say two things because it is so
amazing that you were in Heathers, which is an epic
cult favorite film ever. But I actually just posted something
for you on Shared something with you on Facebook today
because one of those like gen x groups posted a
picture of you and the other male bully from Heathers
and it just said, if you know something bad is
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about to happen.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
To these guys, you know it was like right before.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
And then the other thing is, you know, there's the
musical Heathers and it was Off Broadway ten years ago,
and then it was in London last year, and they're
bringing it back to off Broadway.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
Please come to New York. They would I'm sure they
would love to have you at that show.
Speaker 8 (30:47):
I would love to.
Speaker 12 (30:48):
We had Andy, Andy Fineman, Andy, I think Andy Feineman,
the guy.
Speaker 8 (30:54):
Who did who did Heathers and he also did the
weed music about.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
Uh oh for Madness for Madness.
Speaker 12 (31:04):
Yeah, I got a call and I was invited to
like the read through of the very first read through
of Heathers and sing through or whatever you call it.
And it was just it was amazing and I've had
I know the soundtrack. I think it's a it's amazing
to see that he turned into a musical.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
Yeah, it's fun, very fun.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
Come to New York, Come to New York.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
Back to Little House on the Prairie.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
First, take a break.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
We're going to talk.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
About heathers while we're on a break, guys, and then
when we come back, we'll get back to Little House
the Cheeters with Patrick Leverton.
Speaker 8 (31:39):
We'll be back with men will be boys with.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
What we're doing, thing, the whole thing again.
Speaker 8 (31:45):
Here we go.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
We're going to talk about heathers on the break, but
when we come back, we'll talk about Little House on
the Prairie and men will be boys with Patrick Lebretto.
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Speaker 5 (32:43):
All Right, we're back. Allison just pointed out a few things.
Allison tell us what's wrong with this episode?
Speaker 11 (32:52):
It's hilarious and like Day was saying, it's a throwback
to kind of a bonanza Yorkyorkarkyark the guys out there.
But the little boys have full backpacks and have brought things,
apparently a frying pan because they took a fish.
Speaker 10 (33:05):
They brought cook.
Speaker 6 (33:06):
Weare and they threw the fish out, and I'm like, bears,
animals are around.
Speaker 10 (33:11):
You, what are you doing?
Speaker 11 (33:12):
But they brought things to sleep in, warm clothing, They
brought blankets and think paw and and nothing.
Speaker 10 (33:19):
They brought nothing. They're there. I mean they take more
than that to go work at the mill. It made knows.
I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 11 (33:32):
And was this throwback to the whole pauw Almonzo race
to the town of I'm going to show that you
what's what and he's going to take a shortcut and going,
oh wait, this happens again later with bottom.
Speaker 10 (33:46):
I'm seeing all.
Speaker 9 (33:49):
Very right.
Speaker 11 (33:52):
Yeah, so that I think there were some went oh
that worked before. Let's you know, but yeahs too.
Speaker 9 (33:59):
Yeah, like right there on the same.
Speaker 11 (34:00):
Plas cheating wine and like, I mean, thank Doddy festeres
up at the end, but there's like the again, Paul
is like cheating.
Speaker 8 (34:08):
This episode has my favorite line and line reading by
Michael Landon. Okay, the shovels is bathered dough.
Speaker 9 (34:18):
The shovels is by the dough. Yeah, where's where does
he say that?
Speaker 8 (34:24):
When when they run into the barn.
Speaker 12 (34:26):
The guy says, hey, you freeloaders, if you clear out
you know the stall, you can stay the night. So
Paw and mister Garvey have a place to stay. He
goes the shovels is bathed dough.
Speaker 8 (34:38):
So Michael underneath his underneath his brick. That's right.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
That made me confuse that I had to rewind it,
and then when I realized what it was made me
giggle with laughter. Was you know when Garvey and Pa
here the screaming, right, the screaming, and you hear this
very high pitched, clearly little girl, and then they have
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to realize, no, it's just the boys play the swimming.
Speaker 9 (35:15):
Yeah, it sound like a happy scream. It sounded like,
you know, like it's a serious scream.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
But it is exactly if you watch the Simpsons, it's
ned Flanders. It's screams that way and it's just so sunny.
Speaker 8 (35:29):
Well, that was the high pitched scream. It was always
for real because again I was like a twelve year
old girl at that point, and they and it sounds
way too much like the.
Speaker 9 (35:42):
Rabbit.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Oh god, the rabbit.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
Okay, we need to talk about We need to talk
about the rabbit. First of all, was that the screaming
rabbit is so traumatic. It's insane these things.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
What talk to me about the rabbit was the rabbit. Okay,
the rabbit was a was fine, cars.
Speaker 8 (36:02):
Was fine, but it was really screaming. I didn't know
your rabbits could do. Had what they did?
Speaker 5 (36:07):
Were you totally freaked out?
Speaker 8 (36:08):
Because I was.
Speaker 12 (36:09):
I was, yeah, I mean the you know, and that's
why when you see me holding it, I'm like petting
it like again like a Lenny George.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
No, I had.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
I had never heard that. I was like, what what
is the bunny?
Speaker 6 (36:26):
The poor but no wonder you couldn't kill the bunny
and it was the cutest little thing. Did they teach
you how to hold the bunny?
Speaker 2 (36:33):
No?
Speaker 12 (36:33):
I think you kind of grew up knowing how to
hold the money, but they they had it in the
trap for real, and that's what was holding off, you know,
you know, like all of those things were like two
feet off, you know, with someone from ray Berwick, you know,
like it.
Speaker 8 (36:45):
Was a trained rabbit. It's like yeah, right, yeah, yeah,
you train the rabbit.
Speaker 12 (36:50):
Yeah yeah, but yeah, protection for sure, but you know,
it's it was just one of the great things about
Little House for me and for my brother was again,
you know, we're kids in the entertainment business in Hollywood, so.
Speaker 8 (37:04):
This was kind of like a camp camp. We were
doing things. I loved horses. We had a horse.
Speaker 12 (37:11):
I ride horses, and you know, being around all of
those guys, you know, with you know, you learn all
of how how to treat animals and livestock, which obviously,
you know, I'm not learning here in this city.
Speaker 6 (37:27):
I then had a very morbid thought, which was, you know,
Paw and Garvey see them free this rabbit and they're starving,
And I was like, what if you're the rabbit and
kill the rabbit.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
I'm totally about to kill that rabbit.
Speaker 9 (37:43):
And then I was like, wait for that, that would
be that would be the point and.
Speaker 10 (37:48):
Any equipment with which a rabbit away do you have
all they have.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
A skillet, so then you know, then the boys, you know,
find shelter, they get fed very well.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
Skills and she and lying skills.
Speaker 8 (38:13):
Yeah, but did very turn on.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
That stuff if you what did you say?
Speaker 8 (38:18):
Well, Albert explained to the cycle, it's not really light.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
She felt good, and we felt such a con man.
He's such a con man.
Speaker 7 (38:27):
Well, it's going back to the roots of the characters
on the street and living by his wits, and you know,
and I was right there.
Speaker 9 (38:34):
He had all that, yep available, that was.
Speaker 11 (38:37):
The things that may have been shady, but they could
talk their way into getting a meal, place to stay.
Speaker 10 (38:42):
And the two grown men or you know, shovels the door.
They're out in the you know, the cowp the bar.
Speaker 9 (38:48):
So clearly the boys they're following that.
Speaker 7 (38:51):
We've been following these boys for three days, getting getting
very looked at a sideways on it.
Speaker 10 (39:01):
Constable was on it, pros the constable, the constable.
Speaker 11 (39:05):
This was the scene where I had complete hysterics and
I totally immediately thought a Pamela, because Pamela and I
have had this running thing. TDCH episodes where little girls
get into the wagons, A strange man.
Speaker 10 (39:15):
Constant, Hi, were you? I don't know, a certain guy.
Speaker 11 (39:17):
Oh, I'm going off to go the mister Sprak, who's
mister Sprak.
Speaker 10 (39:21):
Nobody cares drink cantle. But and then she even married,
Oh Johnny Katsh who's clearly all in black and a
shady I'll just get out the back of your horse.
I just had on her.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
Yeah, just go with it.
Speaker 11 (39:32):
And we're just like going, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
We know that the real life mall Ingle, who was
very protective of the girls, is never would have happen.
And we're like, does no one think anyone's predatory? And finally,
finally the constable goes, what do you guys do it? Well,
we're following these little boys. You're a what you're following?
Speaker 10 (39:48):
Little boy?
Speaker 5 (39:50):
Easy?
Speaker 10 (39:51):
The only one on it on the prairie.
Speaker 11 (39:53):
We've been following the person time and the Constable's like,
come with me, and I'm like I was like, yes, finally, finally.
Speaker 12 (40:01):
When we shot all of that stuff, because as everyone
probably knows at this point, we shot outside and inside,
So sometimes you would be outside in the town and
sometimes when you're inside a room you're probably inside the studio.
But what they did for these uh this episode was
all the rain stuff with Michael and Merlin and my
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son and my brother was on a stage, which to
this day, even being in other you know, I've done
tons of things where we're in elements. The amount of
rain that they created on the stage and the draining
system was just fascinating because it wasn't like it was drizzling.
It was coming down buckets. Yeah, and they had I mean,
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I don't know how many gallons, hundreds of gallons of
water they were going through because it was like it
wasn't like that we were made up wet.
Speaker 8 (40:55):
They just put us in the rain and we were
just like soaked. It was a lot, a lot of
weather in that episode.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
That must have been so cool though, That must.
Speaker 9 (41:04):
Have been so very cool cold.
Speaker 12 (41:07):
Yeah, but if you look at me, it's so funny
when when she goes, let's get you out of these
wet clothes, and I start to undo my jacket.
Speaker 8 (41:14):
These are the things I noticed, as you know, I
have no idea of what I have no idea of
how to get out of this prairie clothing.
Speaker 12 (41:23):
Like in fact, Mike Tremaine was he gave He gave
our family two wonderful gifts, water from lords from my
father who was sick.
Speaker 8 (41:32):
And he gave me a zipper for Christmas in my wardrobe.
In my wardrobe, you have to do a buttonfly.
Speaker 6 (41:43):
I was thinking you started taking off your clothes and
then your t shirt was underneath.
Speaker 8 (41:47):
Oh, it probably would have.
Speaker 12 (41:48):
Been, but it looks but I what I recognize is like,
I don't know, but I'm like again, a kid from
the valley.
Speaker 5 (41:58):
That's funny. Okay, So then should we skip to the end, getting.
Speaker 9 (42:04):
To the end of the.
Speaker 7 (42:08):
Rooting for the failures of their sons because they want
to live in jail.
Speaker 5 (42:14):
Yeah, but here's here's my my other beef with this episode.
Speaker 6 (42:18):
They have left their wives and their families. We're going
on three four days now, and they must have been
which of course explains why when they return home Mas like, oh, Charles,
because I'm sure she thought they were dead. Why wouldn't
they be dead. They're in the wilds of the Sonora
Upper with trees and mountains and rivers and lots of screaming,
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shrieking rabbits that rites Monty Python.
Speaker 5 (42:47):
The whole rabbit thing. Do you know what that reference
the Holy Girl screaming?
Speaker 6 (42:53):
Anyway, So, Patrick, any major takeaways from this episode you
want to leave us.
Speaker 12 (42:59):
With, Well, between this and The Cheaters, it was my
mid season attempt to take over the show because I
was all over this show and it completely failed.
Speaker 13 (43:11):
After that, I think I was back to being like
third in a group of like yeah, but I will
say in the Cheaters, Uh, there's a shot where Andy
pushes Albert.
Speaker 8 (43:22):
And he pushes him to the ground. I made that
into a gift and so I have that on my
phone so I can send.
Speaker 6 (43:27):
It people nice, I will say, though, Andy, we've covered
these episodes before. Andy had a couple of very hot moments.
One when who is the little girl? Who is the
girl Penelope? That Albert Land who couldn't care less about
her and you.
Speaker 5 (43:43):
Told her you were stuck up. That's hot too.
Speaker 8 (43:47):
Well, don't forget I did the.
Speaker 5 (43:50):
White with the watermelon right exactly exactly. If a guy
isn't into me hot all right? Then the two then too?
Was we covered what episode was it?
Speaker 7 (44:03):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (44:04):
It was the in Laws where they stopped by Garvey's
house and Garvey and Andy are in bunk beds.
Speaker 5 (44:11):
And naked in his bed, and I was like, why
is Andy naked in the bed?
Speaker 6 (44:18):
And they said, well, because it was Team beat Era
and he was full on teenager. Then I was like, Okay, hot, Andy,
here we go. So stints.
Speaker 12 (44:28):
The real story there was, God, this is like so
many stories all in one. There was There was this
a gym at the Paramount lot that I started to
go to, and that gym was the Squawman Barn where
they shot the very first movie. It's it's now the
Lasky de Mille Barn and it's now a Hollywod Heritage Museum.
Speaker 8 (44:47):
But for years it was the gym where people from
the studio would work out at. And I used to
go down and watch Who's the Boxer? From Taxi? He would.
Speaker 12 (45:02):
So Tony Danza and our our wardrobe guy, Nick Sperano
would spar in the in the in the gym during
lunch hour when it was really.
Speaker 9 (45:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (45:18):
And so I started to work out when I was
like a little, you know, a little teenager boy at
this point. And Michael, who's always worked out and probably
worked out at that gym at some point when he
was doing Banza, he said to me we were doing
that scene and he goes, why don't you take your
shirt off?
Speaker 12 (45:38):
I know you've been working out, and it was like,
I hate to say it, I haven't told the story
because it's like there's no universe where this comes.
Speaker 8 (45:46):
Out in the right way. I'll try it. So it's like,
but it was so I remember being so cool, like
dude knows I'm working out and I'm like, I'm getting games.
It's like I was like working wherever I was. But
that's the reason. It was like Michael, you know, and
so there you go.
Speaker 5 (46:06):
Of course it was Michael Landon's idea. Of course it was.
Speaker 6 (46:09):
I'm so happy that I brought that up and know
that story because literally I was like, why is he topless?
Speaker 5 (46:14):
I don't understand he.
Speaker 10 (46:17):
Say you on television.
Speaker 6 (46:23):
That was the same episode I found out if Michael
Lindon Wax's chest or not. Because these are the important
issues that we tackle here.
Speaker 5 (46:29):
I'm the little house. Anyway, We're gonna We're gonna exit
on that note.
Speaker 6 (46:35):
Patrick, thank you so much for being here again. Please
come back again because we love having you so much
and we love your stories. Your TikTok are awesome and
your podcast is great. Please plug both of them.
Speaker 5 (46:49):
While you're here, go for it.
Speaker 8 (46:50):
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Speaker 8 (47:00):
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Speaker 12 (47:03):
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Speaker 7 (47:17):
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Speaker 8 (47:17):
Camela?
Speaker 9 (47:18):
What an amazing question that is in fact, again, thank you.
Speaker 12 (47:23):
And my one of my favorite things about this is
again I talk about my youth class, the youth class
that I have. We teach classes Monday, Tuesday Wednesday at
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And so I have classes where kids are in San Diego, Texas,
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Speaker 12 (47:55):
And these kids have never met anybody. They haven't met
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Speaker 6 (48:00):
Well, I and I will say, it's so conducive to
TV film. You can you really can do a very
effective class over zoom because it's here, it's all here,
it's exactly.
Speaker 12 (48:10):
Right, and because of the way everything is changed, everyone's
doing self takee take anyway. So if you know the camera,
because you're going to be if you're in a Broadway play,
both of you know, all three of you know. If
you're in a Broadway play, your energy level is going
to be different than if you've got, you know, a
thirty millimeter lens in front of you and trying to
express the same thing.
Speaker 8 (48:31):
It's going to be a different way to do it.
Speaker 12 (48:33):
So you can check that out at Workingactorschool dot com
and then check me out on YouTube under Patrick dot Labertael.
Speaker 5 (48:39):
I want to check out your Working Actor School. I
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Speaker 12 (48:46):
I have videos that I send because what I like
it to be is something that they can check it out.
Speaker 9 (48:52):
But it's right.
Speaker 8 (48:54):
Mainly, you got to you gotta, yeah, you gotta be
a part of it in order for you to get
the whole aspect of it.
Speaker 5 (49:00):
Yeah, totally, that's how we do it. Awesome, Okay, everybody.
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Speaker 5 (49:38):
All right, it's time, Bob get the wig. Let's fly. Everybody,
kazoo kazoo, down the down the hill.