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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If you're listening right now to the Little House fiftieth
Anniversary Podcast, we know something about you.
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We know that you're.
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Obsessed with Little House of the Prairie.
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For more than half a century, Little House on the Prairie,
the series, and the books have been bright lights for
people all over the world who seek out goodness, decency,
and human connection.
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Here on the Little House fiftieth Anniversary Podcast, we celebrate
everything that made Little House so special.
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The stories, the characters, the actors, and the messages that
have made Little House iconic family television.
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And a perfect counterpoint to a world that feels like
it's going off the rails every day.
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Where is Michael Landon when we need him most?
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I'm your host, Pamela Bob and I'm your Prairie bitch Alice.
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Speaker 5 (01:09):
Hey you forget about it? How are we doing fun, and.
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We were just talking about New York and how much
we love New York and the delivery of New Yorkers
before we started recording. So, Hi everybody, how are you doing.
I'm Pamela Bob, your host creator at Star. I've living
on a prairie and Prairie super fan, and I am
here as always with our beloved prairie bitch.
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That's right, Alison.
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Aringram Yay, who's home now herzah and our hashtag imaginary boyfriend.
That's right, the one and only Dean Butler.
Speaker 7 (01:48):
Hi, you, I've gotten in my chair here, kay.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
When there used to be a sign, they took it down.
They replaced with something else. But when you crossed into Brooklyn,
when you crossed the brook at Brooklyn Bridge and enter Brooklyn,
it just says, forget about it, forget about You've never been.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Across the Brooklyn Bridge.
Speaker 7 (02:11):
I haven't. Maybe I think coming.
Speaker 8 (02:16):
To the New York City, that's really Dean, you didn't
know I haven't.
Speaker 7 (02:23):
I have never been across the Brooklyn Bridge.
Speaker 9 (02:25):
It's such an iconic it's such an iconic piece of architecture.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
It really is. All the bridges are though.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
I mean, I know the Brooklyn Bridges, the Brooklyn Bridge,
but I have to say all of the bridges in
New York are just stunning. They're stunning, incredible.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Old, and yeah, the list have you been?
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Have you lived there? I'm sorry you've lived there.
Speaker 7 (02:50):
I did for a year.
Speaker 9 (02:51):
But you know, my life was between West of Theater
Street and the theater and I knows really what I did?
Speaker 6 (02:57):
I know, And that was an And I mean being
in any show eight shows a week is incredibly demanding.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
And you do live in the.
Speaker 6 (03:05):
Theater really your life revolves around that, but that particular
show is very demanding also, So yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 7 (03:12):
Well, I mean for me, I'm sure.
Speaker 9 (03:14):
Look if I felt I was just sort of dialed
into it, I think if I I know other actors,
who could you know, for a two o'clock Mattinee can
roll out of bed at one fifteen and come to
the theater and kill it.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
Yeah, you know at two o'clock. That's just not how
I'm wired at at all. I need that prep time.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
There's you know the Broadway Baseball League too, where you
you know, they have this baseball league and it's all
the Broadway shows and you sign up and if you
want to play, it's great.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
And I was always like.
Speaker 6 (03:45):
I'm tired, I'm not playing sports before doing a two
show day.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 9 (03:51):
But yes, but it was so boy, so much fun
to be I mean, as someone who's not ordinarily in
that world, to.
Speaker 7 (03:58):
Be in Central with those people playing softball.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
Yeah was Oh so you did do it fun?
Speaker 7 (04:06):
Oh I definitely did that.
Speaker 9 (04:07):
Oh sorry, I remember definitely playing softball with Bernadette Peters
and you know, it's so crazy and she was just what,
you know, she just was very sweet and fun and
you know, a little and never.
Speaker 7 (04:22):
Loud because she was always on Boys.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
For Rest, the Boys the Gift. Yep.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
Yeah, you're always on vocal rest when you're doing a
musical because even talking strains it.
Speaker 7 (04:31):
Yeah, it was these games were quiet. Was not a
lot of yelling in these.
Speaker 10 (04:34):
Games, yelling because everybody, Yeah, I know, we're getting off
on this huge Yeah.
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All right, we'll get back. We're just talking New York
because we're puny.
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We're talking about New York.
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That's it. That's the contest, perfect.
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Perfect, And I would say we you know, we should.
We also need to talk about the fact that we've
got our big event which we will all be there. Yes,
you know, we move do everything together, so we will
all be there in Seem Valley.
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I know I will be there too, you guys, It's official.
I'm coming.
Speaker 7 (07:51):
Yeah.
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So everyone, Pamela is such a wonderful interviewer. She's such
a wonderful super.
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Fan of the house. So Pamela is running our VIP
plus presentations, so she will be doing all the interviews with.
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Cast members who are stepping into those interviews, and those
those are going to be recorded and made available to
everybody after the fact, so that if you're not in
the room, you will have access to them later.
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Yep, we got some good stuff coming up, and also
your Chocolate Expo, which happens before New York City. But
you'll be able to get out to the East Coast
with that dream problem.
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Yes, linked Rhode Island dreamland. Have you been to Rhode Island?
Speaker 5 (08:39):
I ever been to Rhode Island. I've been everywhere y
Road Island.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
I've been to Providence and Newport. Newport is magical.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
It should be getting sort of cooler there now, shouldn't it. Oh?
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Yeah, it is. It's the curve.
Speaker 10 (08:53):
Yeah, because it's eight billion degrees here where I am
right now, but it's gonna best in San Francisco, Chiley
at night where I'm doing away and then boom, I'm
gonna be Boston Road Island, Boston, go over to Rhode
Island and it will be cool in Rhode Island will
be very cold at night and lovely day but crisp.
And New York the week we're there will be crisp,
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sunny but cool. Bring you jack at the daytime, and
holy moly, y'all brings something warm for the evening.
Speaker 5 (09:21):
Cold New York to.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
New Yorker five Dean, because we're gonna be there a week.
So Dean, have you been to katsus Deilly? You do
cats as Delhi?
Speaker 7 (09:31):
I'm sorry, you're going.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
To kats.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
York.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
He lived in New York in the theater. That's right,
we gotta go.
Speaker 9 (09:44):
I went into There was a deli ride on Eighth
Avenue something like that, and it was every day a
turkey sandwich on Rye with coffee regular.
Speaker 7 (09:52):
I mean, that was my deli experience in New York.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
No, no, we'll take we take him everywhere. We're gonna like,
we'll take you to the Bridge.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
Yes, Oh my god, we're gonna get so much content.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
We're gonna get so much fantastic.
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We're gonna get content. Let's get into the show.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
Yeah, I love Okay, Okay, before we get into the show, y'all,
if you're a dog lover, this show is for you.
Coming up today, a touching story about losing and making friends,
the challenges of being different, and the heartwarming importance of
love acceptance. But first from ub n go in California,
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Speaker 11 (10:39):
Y'all.
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This is a Little Outs fiftieth anniversary podcast. Boo boop.
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All right, okay, what are we talking about today?
Speaker 7 (11:04):
Do you so?
Speaker 9 (11:05):
Today we're talking about the season four premiere episode of
Little House the cast Offs, which debuted on September twelfth,
nineteen seventy seven. This particularly, oh, this, this episode was
written by Tony Cayden and I don't know how many
episodes Tony Caden wrote.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
Yeah that's not a familiar name.
Speaker 9 (11:26):
Yeah, not namely normally here and of course, as most
season premieres were, this was directed by Bichael Landon, so.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
It has his touch visually all over it.
Speaker 9 (11:38):
Oh, just just sort of see Michael's visual style all
over this episode.
Speaker 7 (11:44):
So Allison, what is this episode about?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Oh my going out of this episode.
Speaker 10 (11:54):
Seas with lore ingalls facing one of the hardest lessons
of growling up.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Oh yeah, when her beloved old dog Jack dies quietly.
It is sleep. It's really it's every child's worst nightmare.
Speaker 7 (12:09):
Yep. Well, particularly after she wasn't able to clean the
foxtails out of.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Fighting with him. Yeah, she argued with the dog Cornet.
Speaker 10 (12:19):
Into this tender storm blows horn Walnut grows newest and
strangest resident.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
He is a walking contradiction, wise and foolish, lowel defiant,
prickly but kind underneath.
Speaker 10 (12:30):
And she may have been a pirate or something, Becauseles
like is a pirate. New work alongside our big, soft
spoken Jonathan Garvey.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
That's right, this is a mister Garvey episode of him.
Speaker 7 (12:47):
This is technic. This is your first episode.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
This is Garvey's first episode.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
This is his first appearance on the show.
Speaker 10 (12:56):
This is awesome because this is the whole thing. Charles
is only allowed one best friend. Yes, we right, and
of course it was mister Edwards. But people getting other work,
people having contracts.
Speaker 9 (13:06):
Got a series on ABC called Carter Country and said
bye bye because he didn't have a contract on the
little house.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
He was he was a recurring player.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
That's a crazy interous.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Thing to do.
Speaker 10 (13:16):
Oopsies, and and then so then Marlin Olsen magically appears
and he's awesome. By the end, Laura is smiling again.
Jack's memory Hill closes, and a new dog bit Bit
by your Side Easy at, once considered a cast off,
has found a place in both Laura's hearts and the
towns the cast off its little house in the prairie.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
At its finest, it is, It really is, and it.
Speaker 10 (13:35):
Transferred grief into gross strangers into friends are reminding?
Speaker 8 (13:39):
Is it?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Sometimes the people were meant to find are the ones
everyone else has already given up? No, this episode is
et pic baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Love so much to talk about. Where do we start?
I guess at the beginning?
Speaker 9 (13:55):
Right well, I think let's yeah, let's start at the beginning,
because of course that that sets the tone right away,
as Laura is off to meet presumably off to meet Kezia,
but she is stopped by mob because Jack, or because
Jack has foxtails in his ears and need them cleaning out,
and of course this dog and I don't remember the
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dog's real name, but obviously Jack was known as Jack.
Speaker 7 (14:23):
What an adorable, sweet dog.
Speaker 9 (14:25):
This wash you just just looked totally cute every minute.
And so of course Laura is annoyed and runs off
to do what she needs to do and leaves Jacks.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
For hardcore fend dogs. Jack, the dog you saw was fine,
Actually dog, Nothing happened to Jack lady dog. He got
a death scene.
Speaker 10 (14:49):
He played the dog who died, and the actual leave
and breathing dog went on to like be in other shows.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
Okay, and that was a number one question of I'm like,
did the dog actually I don't mean the duck scene,
is that a dead dog? I mean in real life?
Did the dog actually die?
Speaker 8 (15:04):
No?
Speaker 6 (15:05):
This was just a choice to have the dog die.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I know why.
Speaker 10 (15:08):
I know, because okay, in the books the dog dies
in real life, well in real life. In real life,
the Ingles traded the freaking dog with the horses because
they needed a team of oxen and the people they
bought the house from that oxen they need for the fields,
and they weren't traveling anymore, so they didn't need the
horses or the dog was considered a working dog to
help the horses.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Awesome. Now on the right side. The dog loved the.
Speaker 10 (15:31):
Horses patent, patty or whatever they were called, and was
bonded with them, so in fact, it would have cried
actually been hard on the dogs. They were bonded like kittens.
They would have been separated. So they said, here's some
horses and a dog and got the oxen, and the
dog went off with the horses to go run around
and do what he does, which is kind of unsettling
for people who are like, wait, what what about that?
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But in the story, the dog dies, and it's all
about Laura growing up.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
It's the beginning of childhood's and and it's true.
Speaker 10 (16:01):
I'm fifteen in this film, so Melissa was thirteen and
she's just hitting puberty and it's all about Lore growing
up and its childhood is over. And the dog is
now died and we must move on now. In the show,
he gave her band and another dog and give her
Diddley poo.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
In the books, she can get her dog. We were nice,
we give her another dog. But the dog was fine.
Speaker 10 (16:20):
The dog just went back to the trainers and then
went to go be in I don't know an Alpo
commercial and live happily ever after and make more dog
money was fine, and the new dog just showed up.
I mean it was that the dog was like he
clocked out, got his paycheck and went home. The dog
is fine, and it was just his contract was sucky,
was done. It was time for him to do his
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death seat and go be a dog after.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
And we'll get to this, but in the actual death
scene where we see the dog, is that the dog
or is that a stuffed animal? As a dog dog.
Speaker 7 (16:53):
You canig nap as the dog dog was.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
It's so still.
Speaker 9 (16:57):
I'm still a dogswer nominated.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
That dog should have been nominated for anything. He was
a very good dog actor.
Speaker 10 (17:06):
And they when they said play dead, wow, and they
said dead and really don't move when we call you.
And the dog went wolf and he laid down and
didn't move. And that's what he does. He's an actor.
Doggie put a dead dog.
Speaker 9 (17:20):
If you know, if the dog wasn't Jack, it was
a tremendous stuffed animal version.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
Yes, so I'm thinking you're Allison's sort of right.
Speaker 9 (17:31):
I'm thinking that Allison is right here, that the dog
was one of the you know, all these animals their
trainers would prep them for specific behaviors that specific episodes
would call for.
Speaker 7 (17:44):
And this would have been one of those things that
they would have trained for.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
But train a doctor close their eyes like the dog
was dead dead.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I mean.
Speaker 10 (17:56):
Those dogs were smart animals. You see on film if
you see a dog, see a horse, you see the
crow this one, you see an animal, that animal is smart.
Because okay, we'll probably talk about when we get to
the thing and the through the behind the scenes. Okay,
So we had a lot of cats when I was
a kid, and they all had kittens, and we knew
an animal trainer, and we gave kept giving the kittens
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away to the animal trainers. So I don't know how
many like cat food commercials, all of my cats are
oh wow.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Oh.
Speaker 10 (18:22):
They often were got dogs and cats. But they would
screen them, they would test them. Some were smart, some
were If they weren't smart, they'd find someone and they'd
be somebody's floppy cute man. Yeah, and if they were
smart enough, they'd make the cut. And then they train them.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
So these these animals auditioned.
Speaker 10 (18:38):
Babe, they are smart, they're trained their whole lives.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
Yeah. No, And the trainers are the trainers are pretty
spectacular and how they work with these dogs and all
the animals they work with.
Speaker 9 (18:54):
I mean, we see in this episode we're going to
talk about a crow that was beautifully trained. We had
a cat in Days of Sunshine, Days of Shadow that
you don't think of cats as being easy to train
that was wonderfully behaved and did the behaviors that were as.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
With the Tornado cat.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Cats are I'm almost impossible and they did it.
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Yeah, I want to say about this episode. This episode
was the episode long before I mean years before I'd ever.
Speaker 9 (19:24):
Had any contact with Little House when I first came
to Los Angeles and met it was signed with an
agent named Ana Bernstein at ICM.
Speaker 7 (19:33):
She said to me.
Speaker 9 (19:36):
Very early on having met and spent some time with me,
if we ever have an opportunity to get you on
Little House, that's something that you will do. And she
described she said this, the show absolutely tears me apart
every week, and she described the cast Offs because she
she broke down in tears in the office and Aina
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didn't cry. She broke down in tears in the office
describing how Jack died in this episode. So the cast
Offs was like was set in my mind as or
this moment with Jack, which I've seen many times and
it always is a wonderful, wonderful moment, not least of
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which Pamela, because of course you get to see Michael
with his shirt off.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
We'll get to that.
Speaker 9 (20:26):
But anyway, so this, this was the this was the
introductory moment to the Little House for me, was the
just being told by my agent about how wonderful little
house was and how I should do it someday.
Speaker 6 (20:38):
So that's a very good agent, that agent.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
They're weird things in the beginning episode. I had to
make weird notes.
Speaker 10 (20:46):
Okay, First of all, when Laura refused to just I
don't want to take the box those I got things
to do. I'm a teenager now and she doesn't want
to help the dog, and they say, she says.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Let Carrie do it. Is Carrie doing things now.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
There's some.
Speaker 10 (21:00):
Moments ever in this episode, Baby Carrey has some real
great moments and the ida Carry is gonna be taking
I wouldn't trust carry.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
Baking a cake, making a cake on the cake, yeah.
Speaker 10 (21:11):
And lick in this book right, and then Ma says
it's another every now and then I know things. I
go I have to write this one day and you
look it up, she says, you can't just you know,
ignore him, like a stitch of old clothes you're tired of.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
I'm sorry, what does that mean? What is a stitch
of old clothes? I've heard of?
Speaker 10 (21:28):
Not a stitch of clothing on? That is an expression,
not a stitch of something. It's just like that, because
I look this up and I can't nothing. There is
like a stitch of old clothes. And no one apparently.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Has ever said this except at this moment. I know.
Speaker 9 (21:43):
I mean, it's understandable what she's saying, but it's it
is a colloquialism that you don't really hear.
Speaker 10 (21:49):
I guess it's like like when people say not a
stitch of clothing on, say a stitch of It's.
Speaker 9 (21:54):
Like, okay, there is not a stitch of clothing, even
the tiniest little bit of clothing, nothing.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Not even I just like talking about.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
I also really appreciated how Ma was like on Laura,
like in a real mom way.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Because we never see her like that. You know.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
It's so sort of like it's the picture perfect family
where the kids never talk back and they always do
their chores and there's never any like problem. And I
love when I see Ma actually maing like a real
mother would have to do, which is like, my kid
isn't doing what they're supposed to do. I told her
a million times, like get back here and freaking do it.
Speaker 10 (22:36):
Yes, Laura's a little pumpkin. Is that she is clearly
puberty is kicked in.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
She's talking back to her parents.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
She's like like rolling her eyes and stopping out the door.
She's gone thirteen like that, which is how it goes,
you know, that is how it happens to.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Happen younger than thirteen now. But one day they just
wake up and go.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
She would have and she would have just turned.
Speaker 9 (23:03):
She would have just turned thirteen that day that previous
as they started shooting that episode, given them a season premiere.
And when you look around see me Valley, and you
see all the beautiful mustard, that's definitely an early May
kind of thing before everything dries out. It must have
been a good rain year that year in southern California
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because it was lush with must Some.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Of these shots so beautiful.
Speaker 9 (23:29):
Yeah, it was really really really pretty. No fun to
walk in, but great to look for sure.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Now then we have the entrance of Okay, Hermione Badly.
I want you now.
Speaker 10 (23:39):
I was fifteen. I remember this episode when Dustine. I
knew I was in the presence of Greatness.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I knew she was Hermione Badly.
Speaker 10 (23:46):
I knew she had been missus Knagatuck on Maud the
series Madge. She was the housekeeper on Madge's Brother, So
I knew who she was.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Mary Poppins, Freaking Mary Poppins. She was hitting Mary. She's Mary, Okay,
she was She's missing cratch It. In nineteen a Christmas.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Carol, she was in the really oh wow.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
She was nominated for an OSCAR for Room at the Top.
Speaker 10 (24:09):
And get this, Her role in Room at the Top
was two minutes and nineteen seconds because it set the
record for shortest performance on screen to ever be nominated
for Best Supporting Actress Oscar.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
She was so good.
Speaker 10 (24:22):
This woman was so good that in two minutes and
nineteen seconds she put it in a performance They had
the nominator for an Academy Award in two minutes.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
How do you even do that?
Speaker 7 (24:35):
Oh, it's like the Alec Baldwin performance in Glengarry Glenns.
Speaker 9 (24:40):
Yes, where it's like the monologue cannot take your eye
off now that that's her.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
Yeah, and you know, fun fact, that monologue is not
in the play.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
They wrote it.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
He wrote it specifically for the movie because that part
needed a little And now you can't imagine that play
without that monologue in it.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
But yeah, if you're absolutely right.
Speaker 10 (24:59):
If you were a young peron who was not familiar
with the work of Miss Hermione, badly google Google, Google.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Get on there, get on YouTube. This woman is the bomb.
Speaker 10 (25:06):
She was.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
She has hundreds of credits in IMDb.
Speaker 10 (25:09):
She was in like every movie, every episode of every
TV show, and she was brilliant and she's, like I said,
missus Cratchit Mary Pappas. She was incredible and everything she
ever did, look her up. And then she married someone.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Who was titled was tight.
Speaker 10 (25:24):
She got up.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
She became like lady hertant and her.
Speaker 10 (25:27):
Daughter was socialite and she was huge in theater and
she was a genius. And so yes, no, as soon
as we got said it was like, it's it's the
game her Mighty Battle. And I was in awe and
that scene where we're at the house and Nellie's like,
there's no coffee.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
There's no dark.
Speaker 10 (25:46):
I'm just so mean and like being just a total
cow while I was doing it, and I'm looking at
them all like they're crazy and having a coffee. I'm
actually just trying not to throw myself to the ground
and we are not worthy and like bow because I'm
watching her and she said mighty freaking badly, and yeah,
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she's doing it, She's so good. I'm just sitting there
going I am in the prisons of Royalty.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
So my take is this is this is my thought process.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
I was like, I don't know who was in the
writer's room that was like, you know what the prairie
needs an eight year old homeless woman.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Who lives with an imaginary house with a talking crow. Yeah,
and it is also British. That's when the prairie needs.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
But you know what, I am a pirate?
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Yeah, who talks like a pirate? Yes, I don't know.
I don't know who thought about it because.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
And she says he's a parent. It's a crow, is
not a pirate? A crow? No, And the crow's named Polly,
she says.
Speaker 10 (26:51):
The parrot talks and whiskey whiskey Jack was.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Was her her first husband. And then smiling Willie Horn,
I'm sorry these are teach are pirates.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
I need a biopic And.
Speaker 10 (27:02):
She keeps talking about being at scene she lost her
husband's seeing their owl whiskey Jack.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
But the woman is a retired pirate.
Speaker 6 (27:08):
Yeah, yeah, we need the keziest spin off like biopick
for sure, like and.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Pirate Grandma, Pirate Grandma.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
Now, I will say that I had I have to
admit that watching this as a grown ass woman now
and not a little kid, I did have an oh
I identify with Nelly moment, which is horrifying because I
was like, if I knew, if I found out my
kids were hanging out with this crazy lady and like
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you know what I mean, like she's crazy. I mean
she's wonderful, but me like this crazy lady, I would
be like get.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Away from her too.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
And thank goodness I was watching this with my seven
year old daughter because she was the one that was like,
why is.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Nelly so mad at her? It's just you're using your imagination,
like it's so much fun. And I was like, this
is it.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
This is isn't that?
Speaker 5 (28:03):
This is how you this is how.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
They tapped into the child mindset, and this is why
watching it as a child especially was so magical because
you're not thinking those other thoughts.
Speaker 5 (28:15):
You're going along with the play, right, they're playing.
Speaker 10 (28:18):
She is pretending she's not delusional, because later she and
Laura talk about that and like, but you pretend you
have a door, Yes, I pretend to.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Have a door.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
Yes, yes, performance art it's fine, yes, right, but you
call yeah.
Speaker 7 (28:34):
But you can.
Speaker 9 (28:35):
It is an interesting It is an interesting exploration of
a look at how we think and how the adult
is wanting to operate in this rational world because there's
so much pressure to exist and children while they certainly
had responsibilities in those days, yes, as they do in
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every age, but they have but there that's not the
first focus.
Speaker 7 (29:01):
Is your daughter reacted to she saw the fun in this?
Speaker 5 (29:05):
Yeah, and the wonder?
Speaker 7 (29:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (29:08):
Yeah, And I think that's that's a really powerful differentiator. Yeah,
and you see that plays out through the episode, that idea.
Speaker 6 (29:16):
Yeah, episode totally totally okay. And then we find out
that the people in the church do not want her.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Coming to church, which is very backwards in my opinion.
Speaker 9 (29:32):
Was the line that was talked about christian something and
was there was there a religious was there a religious
moment there?
Speaker 10 (29:40):
Well, Reverend auld and bust them at the end, at
the at the end, but initially they're like creepy, crazy,
delusional homeless lady and missus also like you and she's dirty.
Now I also have a couple of issues again in
odd Things, people said so.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Like, wait, she's living there for a while. She just
showed where did you come?
Speaker 5 (29:57):
When happened?
Speaker 7 (29:58):
Where did these people where they come from? Storytelling? It
has nothing to do with No, she.
Speaker 10 (30:05):
Has a horse and one of the people says that
her horse eats beef jerky and candy. I'm sure a
horse eats beef jerkey.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
There's a horse.
Speaker 10 (30:17):
No, no, there's the horses don't eat beef jerkey. They
they are vegetarians. They grasp the horses eating beef jerkey.
That would be very wrong. It's almost cannibalism.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I don't get it.
Speaker 10 (30:27):
And then Reverendalden says, they said Reverendalden, Missus Olten tells him,
you are only here two days a month.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
Really, I know what now.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
In the books, In the books he is he has several.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
Traveling he's a traveling preacher.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yes, he's there too, but not on the show.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
And the show we recapped in an episode. I think
it was from season one where this also came up,
but it was in the very very very beginning of
the series before they really established him as a main player.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
And so we're in what season is this?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
This is.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
He is a Welsh chablish character, right and he is
only in Wanna Grove two times a month.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Was in the win whoops, that's rare.
Speaker 10 (31:16):
I was like, wait, no, what And and then Laura
again with Jack the Dog says you're being as stubborn
as a goat's nose. I'm going what she said, and
I went again, what, So, yeah, this episode is filled
the writer. This writer guy who.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
I was just about to say, I am just now
envisioning this one dude in the writer's room, like.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I've got it, I've got it.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
You know what the prairie needs saying and mentioning a
goat's nose, you know what, you know what the prairie needs.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Happening.
Speaker 7 (31:59):
This is something that he youth somewhere. I mean, this
is some some expression that was part of his childhood,
you know.
Speaker 9 (32:10):
This is this is the wonderful thing that writers are
able to do as they're able.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
To and Michael did this all the time.
Speaker 9 (32:15):
And Michael went back into his youth and spun stories
out of his life experience, which was challenging.
Speaker 7 (32:24):
I'm sure to they We all do it when we're.
Speaker 9 (32:27):
Writing something about allegorical things that tie together.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
That's right, we can use that way.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
That's why we do what we That's why artists do
what they do.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
You know. It was really interesting.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
I had my this is I'm diverging, but I swear
I'm coming back.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
Here we go.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
I had my high school reunion, my year high school reunion,
and I was talking with someone and he was like, well, yeah, no,
I know that like actors, performers, you know, they do
it because they want attention. And I was like, that's
not why we do this.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Like maybe there's an element for certainly a population of
performer entertainer that seeks attention, but that's not that's never
gonna This is a hard enough business that that will
not see you through, right, Like, that can't be it.
That can't be it.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
And the reason why we do what we do is
because we need to express ourselves in a way we
have to. It feels impending, right, and writers and artists
have to use what their facilities are going through to
express it, to get it out there. And whether that
(33:37):
means it's them working out their own psychology or them
needing other people to learn a certain lesson, or I mean,
you can go on and on and on, but it's
all all of this is tapped from a real place.
Even the absurdity is a tap. Things that are absurd
are tapped from a real place. So yeah, of course
writers are using terms that they might have used as
(34:00):
we use, but we know we use what our lived experiences.
Speaker 10 (34:04):
If Michael Landon just wanted attention, he could have just
taken his shirt.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
Off exactly, which we'll get to.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
But that's it, exactly, that's it.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Okay, So there being unchristian like in my opinion, and
revon Alden sort of you know, it's interesting too because
he can't he felt like he couldn't really fight it,
because there's even a conversation where he says, you know,
if I fight this and I lose the whole congregation.
So it's sort of picking your picking your battles of
how far do you go?
Speaker 9 (34:38):
The interesting it's the art of compromise, yes, in a.
Speaker 7 (34:43):
Sense, which is in this case a tough compromise.
Speaker 9 (34:46):
Yeah, but I think this is how this is about
making a decision and moving forward. Now what's great about
that is you can change your decision. But they but
he was not going to get mired in a disagreement.
That was only going to be about conflict. It's always
about moving forward. This is what leaders do. Leaders make decisions.
(35:09):
They don't waffle on something.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
I mean, the.
Speaker 9 (35:13):
Best leaders make decisions. The best leaders can also change
their minds. But it's very important to make a decision
and move forward because the uncertainty is what's such a
negative for people, the unknown.
Speaker 7 (35:30):
Let's make it.
Speaker 9 (35:31):
Let's decide, and then we'll move forward and we'll see
how we like it.
Speaker 7 (35:35):
And if we want to change, we'll change.
Speaker 10 (35:36):
And well they'll have to do a blessing or at
least a gesture towards her, and we'll cut. That'll be
I'll be, My conscience would be clear that we've tried.
I've tried, but that this ain't happening, so we need
to get on with the show here, babe. So yeah, yeah,
he says, if I was younger, a younger man, you
know that too.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
A really interesting conversation. I thought it was a very
insightful conversation.
Speaker 10 (36:04):
Yeah, and then of course the children are off to
harass an elderly homeless woman, because that's what you do, apparently.
And this is where I said, I just like immediately
I was thrown back there.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I remembered everything.
Speaker 10 (36:17):
Oh my god, the paper mache burned out fireplace that
just appeared.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
I know where did that come from?
Speaker 6 (36:26):
Was that just that was just there in the field,
just there suddenly?
Speaker 7 (36:32):
Yes, what was it? Paper mache?
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Well, wooden brick.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
It was favorite piece, definitely.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
It came apart in your hands if you crushed it, it
just went bye.
Speaker 9 (36:43):
Bye, sort of like our fireplace in the set that
we created for our fiftieth anniversary.
Speaker 7 (36:48):
It was a phone. It was just foam underneath siropha
carved sirophone.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
That's what brick fireplaces are in TV.
Speaker 7 (36:56):
There foam.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
You could pick it up, throw it in the wagon.
Speaker 7 (36:58):
It was yeah.
Speaker 10 (36:59):
So I was just like I I saw her, I
was like, wow, Wow, this is this is almighty badly.
It's like it is like yes, Jedi Master, Yes I
am watching. Yeah, she is killing it, killing it. And
one when I started laughing is my face through their
whole stage.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
But that was it was. It was amazing, amazing and yeah,
the doorway.
Speaker 10 (37:20):
But then after we had the whole fight, and I'm like,
not a door, no coffee about, and she says, get out,
and and I it's wide open.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
I could have turned there and walked back to the mercantile.
I don't. I crossed the go up the door.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
I died.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
And saw you run all the way home.
Speaker 9 (37:48):
And Michael was directing, he was going to make you
run all the way.
Speaker 10 (37:53):
Darned and how many times I'm sure it was dead
at the end of the day.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
Oh my god, wow, hermione nice?
Speaker 5 (38:01):
What was she like?
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Absolutely? Now she's quite old. I have to look, you know,
she'd look up exactly how she says she's eighty. It
might have been older. She was old.
Speaker 10 (38:10):
And so it was like, okay, she leave the lady alone.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
She got a rest.
Speaker 10 (38:13):
She's in eight million years. But yes, absolutely grand, charming, lovely,
perfect and like on it on it. Yeah, yeah, knew
her lines.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
It was she was Jedi master, Jedi master her mighty badly.
Speaker 7 (38:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, no.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
Once again, I wonder if they asked her to be
on the show, and they must have written this for her, right,
I mean, it's so.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Sponifish thing is that?
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Because that happened Johnny Cash, this was kind of right
for him.
Speaker 7 (38:39):
Of course as another season premiere.
Speaker 9 (38:42):
Yeah, you wonder where where Michael or somebody came in
contact with her and thought about this, because you're right,
it's just it's hard to imagine anybody else.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Why would they write that's he, that's.
Speaker 9 (38:57):
Her genius is that she made it so totally her.
Who knows what the first what that draft? The draft?
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Yeah, grandma pirate. They wrote her.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
You know what, you know what this prairiy needs. I've
got it, you guys, you know what the prairied.
Speaker 7 (39:18):
She was. She was. She was spectacular to watch and uh,
I love the fact that she's like the pied piper.
The children than Nelly are completely Even Willy.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
Will he's into it.
Speaker 7 (39:31):
He was like ready to come. He's right there with her.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
It's play and to defy.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
He gets to defy Nelly.
Speaker 6 (39:37):
Go.
Speaker 10 (39:38):
Yes, it's coffey, it's like boss, it's great, shut up haha.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
Willy goes with the against Nelly. It's so satisfying.
Speaker 7 (39:46):
Yes, it's it's so what.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
Satisfying because he always goes.
Speaker 6 (39:51):
He's always her little minion, you know, he's always her
little sidekick.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
And so he gets the chance to be in your face,
he does it. He's like, no, got a crazy lady
backing me up.
Speaker 9 (40:00):
I ask right, well, here we are into this almost
forty minutes, and we haven't talked about the dogs.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
I know, here's the most happen here we go. It
happens now, it happens here.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
You go, brace yourself, especially you dog lovers out there.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Everyone's worst nightmare when you find your pet.
Speaker 6 (40:18):
So Laura comes home to a oiled up, shirtless Paul
working hard in the.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
Not mad about it.
Speaker 7 (40:29):
Wrench.
Speaker 9 (40:30):
He's tightening a screw, a wood screw on the correct shirt.
Speaker 7 (40:36):
I don't know that we who cares? Okay, okay, it
doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Looked at this? Help me here his suspenders you don't
go straight.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
Don't know, but they out to the side.
Speaker 6 (40:51):
They gently caress, They gently caressed the nipple area.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
Correct, They go to the yes, boot, it's boobs up,
tit's up. Yeah, I at it.
Speaker 8 (41:01):
Okay, but wait, but then it gets twisted because of
what happens. It's like the most bizarre scenario for an
oiled up, shirtless paw. It's a crazy scenario that this
is the scene that Pau would look like this what
he does, and.
Speaker 9 (41:21):
Laura complain because you've taken this in precisely.
Speaker 6 (41:25):
Laura comes home and Ma's like, girl, you didn't do
what I asked you to do. Go to Jack and
she's still like putting up a fuss about it. She
goes to the barn. She's still mad at Jack. She's screaming,
being hateful at the dog, and then finds him and
alas he is not moving. He is deceased, he is gone,
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and she screams for pa. Paw comes in and in
this is I will say, the fact that he's shirtless
doesn't matter because the death of the dog overrides the
shirtless paw, right am I?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Right?
Speaker 6 (42:01):
Like you sort of that goes away because you're so
taken by this.
Speaker 7 (42:06):
That's a very strong moment, a wonderful moment.
Speaker 6 (42:09):
I don't know the choice for him being shirtless, why
that was made, but it was made.
Speaker 10 (42:14):
And everything's great, You're all happy shirtless paw And then.
Speaker 6 (42:20):
Right, even a shirtless paw cannot right and save this
animal anyway. In all seriousness, it is truly a I mean,
I was bawling my eyes out watching this.
Speaker 5 (42:32):
The sensitivity and also what.
Speaker 6 (42:35):
He says to her, is so perfect.
Speaker 5 (42:38):
It's just you couldn't get any better. Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
He had a wonderful life.
Speaker 7 (42:44):
And yeah, he traveled so many miles with us. He
brought up the relationship with that dog.
Speaker 5 (42:52):
You know, all all of that, he said all the things.
Speaker 7 (42:56):
It's very sweet.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
And he did a call back. He did a call back.
He brought up the river.
Speaker 10 (43:00):
He's crossed from these rivers. Wait, not the terrible Jack
isn't in the wagon. It almost drowns in the river. Hem,
that's right, when he almost lost Jack in the.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
He went there.
Speaker 5 (43:13):
Yeah, and I have.
Speaker 9 (43:16):
To you know, we always have to mention that David
Rose is underscore in this moment.
Speaker 7 (43:21):
Is so lovely and it's so gentle that the score
and this this is a wonderful score in this episode.
Speaker 9 (43:28):
But the with the sort of the references, the the
English Irish cues for Kusia and and the sweet the
heart strings for the dog, and it's very very touching.
Speaker 7 (43:42):
I just I always stand by this that David Rose.
Speaker 9 (43:46):
You never see him on the screen, but his contribution
is the out it's just the hook.
Speaker 5 (43:55):
It's so no one is better than him.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
The scene, is it?
Speaker 10 (43:58):
This is every Buddy's worst nightmare as a kid when
dies find the pet. But he does, he literally says
everything right, he had a good life, but she's guilted.
The guilt and even everybody has the guilt.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
And then she was, of.
Speaker 9 (44:12):
Course, and that's, of course, that's why it was played
that way. So you get that that whip saw of
emotion and guilt and.
Speaker 7 (44:20):
All that's what so and then the lesson is taught.
Speaker 9 (44:24):
You know, It's like, we're always going to miss the
people that we love. And there's no question that you
love the dog again pausing all the right.
Speaker 6 (44:32):
Things because the viewers are connected to the dog too.
I mean, we are emotionally connected to that dog. Yes,
it's devastating. Yeah, I remember what the first dog we got.
I was my daughter's age when we got our first dog,
and I remember obsessing over, oh no, the dog's going
to die. That one day, the dog's going to die.
(44:52):
It is an obsessive like thought that you think of.
And then when we got our puppy, Margo has talked
several times like I don't want the dog to die.
The dog's going to die, and it's it's a thing
cans think about all the time.
Speaker 9 (45:06):
I think about it with our dog, you know, I
mean we just we just celebrated our dog's fourth birthday.
And and you know, in human years, he's thirty two already,
that's right. You know, it's like he's moving through this
much quicker than we are.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (45:22):
And yep, he's got a career, he's got he's well established.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (45:29):
Yeah, he's made his first million already.
Speaker 5 (45:31):
That's right, he's doing.
Speaker 9 (45:33):
Yeah, he certainly had his first million dog biscuits already.
Speaker 10 (45:38):
No.
Speaker 9 (45:38):
I mean these but these these things are these things
are so powerful in our lives.
Speaker 7 (45:44):
You know, these these these creatures that we have in
our lives, that are we just attached to them so strongly.
We we you know, Catherine and I are always.
Speaker 9 (45:54):
Talking about the fact that Benny's like is our child,
I mean we and a dog is like your child family,
you know that you have you did you ever have
a dog before you had your children?
Speaker 7 (46:07):
Or is the dog in addition after?
Speaker 6 (46:09):
I mean I had I had a dog growing up,
but not an adult not no, not my own dog
in adulthood.
Speaker 10 (46:16):
All Right, we're gonna do tragic dogtails. Three, patron, I
have tragic cattails.
Speaker 7 (46:20):
Okay, Yes, we'll come back to dogs. Oh sorry, I
think we're only at the end of Act one here.
Speaker 6 (46:30):
Let's take a quick break and then we will come
up and hurry up to the ending.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Okay, okay, we'll be right back.
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Speaker 5 (47:29):
We're back, Hi our own, We're back. Okay, here we
go Act two. What happens next?
Speaker 9 (47:36):
So it's really really let's say, we've got so much
ground to cover here, so we we meet Bandit, so
pause and man Cato. He's getting bacon in the back
of the wagon and this dog, this very cute white
and white dog with a black face, jumps up on
to get the bacon and the owner of the store
rushes him off. Banded or this dog, We're gonna come
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to Noah's. Bandit jumps off on the wagon rides with
Paul back to Walnut Grove and Paul realizes.
Speaker 7 (48:04):
He's got a new dog for Laura to help ease
the pain, and Laura is not interesting having.
Speaker 10 (48:10):
And he's banned it because the guy said, oh he
steals Oh, I guess his name's Budden, the Holy Little bad.
Laura flips out. She is full puberty in this when
she is so angry. She doesn't want him in the house.
She doesn't want to do anything.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
That's dot.
Speaker 10 (48:22):
They're like, well let him in, boss, being the softie,
and she's like.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
I will not look at the dog.
Speaker 7 (48:26):
I will not.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
That's the dog's horrifying.
Speaker 6 (48:30):
But that happens too. When you have a pet that
you love that has died. You think I can never
do this again.
Speaker 5 (48:37):
I can never have a dollar again. It hurts too much.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
When they go we have a carry moment.
Speaker 10 (48:44):
I do if at one of the greatest carry moments
because carry is brilliant this episode great.
Speaker 5 (48:48):
She actually has a dialogue.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yes, top ten carry moment.
Speaker 10 (48:51):
Okay, she's already licked the thing and continued to Isa
Cake it's his nightmare. She starts chapping, and she starts
talking about dogs.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
Carrie's gonna get in on this, and she says her friends.
She says, Sally, we could name him Tom.
Speaker 10 (49:06):
Sallie Norther is a DoD named Tom, and you can
even understand her, at which point Mary turned out Sally North.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
Has a cat. Carrie, why why do they make her
like that? I lack actually, but I like out loud.
Speaker 7 (49:29):
So Laura can't take it. She excuses herself.
Speaker 9 (49:32):
Bandit the new Bandit goes and looks up at her
on the stairs.
Speaker 7 (49:37):
End of Act two.
Speaker 5 (49:38):
Yeah, the poor poochie woochie.
Speaker 7 (49:41):
Okay, yeah, yeah, so that's okay. That's now.
Speaker 9 (49:44):
We start in with Act free, and we are going
to meet well, actually we've met Okay, we skipped over
meeting Jonathan Garvey.
Speaker 7 (49:53):
Jonathan has a sore bad thing.
Speaker 10 (49:55):
He's been working there and he goes to keys you
for help with his back.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
He's like the bottle of comment.
Speaker 6 (50:02):
Yes, he's at We're at the mail when we see Jonathan,
his back is he has a lot of back problems. Uh,
and so he starts to drink a little whisky to
ease the pain. Except Mary catches him and doesn't even
realize what he's actually drinking and he dumps the water,
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accidentally dumps the whole bottle in the little bucket.
Speaker 5 (50:25):
Drinks well.
Speaker 10 (50:28):
Apparently mister Hansen this episode drank some because he's not there,
but Nils is there goes are you.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
And I'm sick. He was really dizzy and L's like,
are you okay? I'm great? Now I have to again.
Richard Bull.
Speaker 10 (50:43):
Another finest moment. Richard Bull drunk in this episode Genius.
He's so drunk he's drunk for the rest of the episode. Yes,
I never saw Richard Bull drunk in real life, even
when we were at the parties and there was alcohol
and he would have windly normal. I never saw Richard
Bull get him that, No, because he would have been
too polite, that's not proper etiquette.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
I'm sure he would.
Speaker 10 (51:04):
Have been hilarious, but his performance as drunk Nails is
fucking brilliant. Yes, it's great, It's so good.
Speaker 7 (51:15):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (51:15):
So they're getting drunk, and.
Speaker 9 (51:17):
There are so many different ways to play drunk. I
mean he was, you know, a choice to play comedic drunk. Yes,
and and he did it wonderfully.
Speaker 7 (51:29):
He just and and he gave all.
Speaker 9 (51:30):
He gave Michael everything he needed to react to this, like,
you know, what are we looking at here?
Speaker 7 (51:35):
What's going on? Obviously Michael knows exactly what's going on.
Speaker 9 (51:39):
Yeah, and uh, and Nels is having a fun time
or Richard is having a fun time sharing those moments.
Speaker 5 (51:48):
Really, we're having a fun time watching it.
Speaker 7 (51:50):
Yeah, it's great fun to watch, no question.
Speaker 6 (51:54):
Okay, So, so poor bandit. This dog keeps trying wants
to be with Laura, very desperately, keeps trying to win
her love. She wants nothing to do. He keeps chasing
his tail, which by the way, is freaking adorable.
Speaker 5 (52:09):
How could you not like that? But she literally is
like kicking him away and watching.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
Lauren ugly as a hog Laura's dog is did we
sit up a light thinking of that?
Speaker 5 (52:26):
They're so horrible a hog?
Speaker 2 (52:28):
We're just harassing her dog now clearly.
Speaker 9 (52:32):
And Lily can't see because this is one cute dog,
I know, really cute dog.
Speaker 6 (52:40):
Children have no pets, no, I mean look at Bunny Hello.
No pets ever again never never. Uh So, someone who
tells Jonathan that Keasy is the person to go to
for his back, someone says, go to Kezia.
Speaker 5 (52:55):
She knows everything.
Speaker 6 (52:58):
Mary of all people often get the too keysy he's
a witch, yes, everything, which he did.
Speaker 5 (53:09):
And he goes to her quote unquote house. He knocks
on the door.
Speaker 6 (53:15):
The quote unquote door, and she knows exactly how to
treat his back and exactly what it is. Doc Baker fail,
he can he can. Doc Baker can cure Gangreene and
uh smallpox, and all of the sudden he can't cure
Jonathan Garvey's bad back back.
Speaker 7 (53:32):
Yeah he has, she describes, doesn't she describe it as
a bit.
Speaker 6 (53:35):
Of the roomy the roomy, Yeah has the room Yeah.
Speaker 9 (53:41):
I love the fact that then the crow lands on Jonathan's.
Speaker 5 (53:46):
Head, the talking I can't.
Speaker 9 (53:50):
Talk for just acknowledge for a moment that this is
Merlin's first performance on the series. And I mean you
can see that, you know, you can see that he's
figuring it out.
Speaker 7 (54:03):
But he's the great thing about Merlin always was.
Speaker 9 (54:09):
The case is that Merlin was abs he was very coachable.
Being a world class athlete, he was extremely coachable, and
he was absolutely willing to step in and take a
shot at whatever he was doing. He may not have
had all the facility that he maybe would have wanted,
but my god, this is his first performance. I think
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he steps in very brave. Yeah, and acquits himself extremely
well in the episode.
Speaker 6 (54:37):
And he's always honest, simple and honesty, playing correct.
Speaker 9 (54:43):
Yes, all of that, and that's why he was That's
why Michael hired him.
Speaker 5 (54:48):
Yeah, how that happened though, Like do you know the
story behind how he even.
Speaker 6 (54:53):
Became an actor? Like how did he get hooked up
with this? That could be for a different episode, But.
Speaker 7 (55:01):
It's a very good story there. We need to drill
down on that.
Speaker 9 (55:03):
And I know I've heard the story, but I can't
remember it well enough to feel like I can say
it credibly now.
Speaker 5 (55:08):
But there is a story, all right.
Speaker 6 (55:10):
Well, whenever we do our next Garvey episode, well we'll
do a deep dive into that.
Speaker 5 (55:15):
Okay, So let's move on.
Speaker 6 (55:16):
So Reverend Alden does his due diligence and he goes
to Kissia's quote unquote house to wish her well, give
her blessings and say you need to go. And he's
even like, how are you going to survive the winter?
This isn't a house, which I want to know. Also
like what was what is she planning on doing when
it gets cold? They are in Minnesota, for God's sake.
Speaker 10 (55:37):
Yes, he is on to him, it's not the winter
you're worried about you.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
I'm not wanted here.
Speaker 10 (55:43):
Duh, Yeah, I'm going yeah, And she buffs him and
she said, I've been everywhere.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
People are all the same. It's not they're good or bad.
Speaker 10 (55:56):
They're afraid of anything different.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
It's human. And he's embarrassed because she's right.
Speaker 10 (56:04):
And she just says you and he says, don't ever change,
and then again the epic lines. People are the same
all over their friend and the different, and then Reverend
Alden says, don't ever change.
Speaker 2 (56:14):
It's the people who are different who move the mountains.
Speaker 6 (56:19):
Boom, great line and true and true and he amazing.
Speaker 9 (56:25):
He says, yeah, don't ever change where you go. I'll
get by. Well, Reverend Alvan's got to be going close
the door on your way out, she says, And that's
the end of act three. So this is this is
a there are very few scenes in this episode. This
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this episode flies. It's really quick how how it goes?
Speaker 7 (56:52):
All? Right?
Speaker 2 (56:52):
So and it's it's it's easy. Who makes Lord trick
the damn dog?
Speaker 5 (56:57):
Right?
Speaker 2 (56:57):
So that's that's.
Speaker 5 (56:59):
That comes next.
Speaker 6 (57:01):
So Laura he love key and you see keysy.
Speaker 2 (57:08):
React like words, She's like beating the dog.
Speaker 5 (57:10):
But they're a stick at the damn dog? Yeah the
brand did you.
Speaker 7 (57:14):
Hear the dog yell? I think that probably was a
was a sound effect yell. Yes, but but but yeah, dog.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
Is the dog and she Hermione goes straight there.
Speaker 10 (57:27):
She goes straight there because Laura's like, not my dog,
is not my dog, and she busts her for being cruel.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
She's like, why are you being animal?
Speaker 12 (57:34):
And then when she talks about, you know, driving off
a little dog who just wants to be loved, she's
in her face, tells her she's doing wrong and she's
driving off, and then flat.
Speaker 10 (57:45):
Out when Laura's like, why are they making you leave?
She's like, uh, yeah, because why are you making a
dog leave?
Speaker 2 (57:51):
High? Yeah, hi hi, and.
Speaker 10 (57:53):
Just goes right there. It's the same as you torturing
that port stupid dogs. I being driven off dogs to
figure it out.
Speaker 7 (58:01):
Yeah, I'm it's sort of like I'm an adult. I
can manage this.
Speaker 9 (58:05):
But the dog doesn't understand and something the dog needs
to be loved.
Speaker 7 (58:10):
Laura gets the message right away. She excuses herself.
Speaker 9 (58:14):
I love you well, she says, I love you.
Speaker 7 (58:18):
Don't be afraid.
Speaker 6 (58:21):
These beautiful fields is so pretty?
Speaker 5 (58:25):
What a what a beautiful.
Speaker 2 (58:26):
Pause on offence with.
Speaker 7 (58:30):
Very sweet when he puts his paws. That's when they
got trained behavior. Sharon evans, maybe it may be trained
Bandit to do that.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
Do I ever cry? Do I ever cry?
Speaker 10 (58:40):
At episodes? Right, I'm the heard evil and cry?
Speaker 7 (58:43):
Oh no?
Speaker 10 (58:43):
The dog runs away, she tries to he then comes back.
He's messing with her, and then's the pause on the thing,
and she I'm dead. That's it.
Speaker 7 (58:51):
I cried.
Speaker 5 (58:52):
Animals.
Speaker 10 (58:52):
That's the only time they get me. The animals, the
raccoon and freaking bandit dead dead dead dead. And Kezia
got her when she said, oh, you're afraid you don't
want to love the dog because you're afraid he's gonna
die because you don't want to She goes right there,
This woman is a trained psychologist apparently when she's not
a pirate and goes right there and.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
Talks about why I lost two husbands and yeah, no,
welcome to life. People die, dogs die, and she she
lays it out. She lays it out.
Speaker 9 (59:24):
So so Laura chases off after the fine bandit. Kesia
gets in her wagon and drives away. Laura finds the dog,
makes has makes amends with the dog in a very
this very sweet scene, finds Kesia gone and goes to
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church as they are all singing Onward Christian Soldiers, and
Laura makes her.
Speaker 7 (59:50):
Case indeed offers the message of the episode.
Speaker 10 (59:54):
You were in church enough times? Did you start singing
along when you were watching the episode? Did you start
going christ? I?
Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
Did we all know it?
Speaker 7 (01:00:02):
I was looking for Miles mid Out in that. Yes,
we could do those scenes.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
It was our age.
Speaker 7 (01:00:09):
Pamela.
Speaker 9 (01:00:09):
Miles was our first assistant director who had a very
big voice.
Speaker 7 (01:00:15):
And you can always hear Miles singing.
Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
In the back.
Speaker 5 (01:00:18):
Oh I love that.
Speaker 9 (01:00:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 10 (01:00:20):
He and Ruthie Foster, who we've talked about, could sing.
And when we would sing, they would blow the pitch
pipe and Ruthie and Miles would start us off because
they could sing. They were like the vocal coaches, like
the choir director for us, and we'd go, come on, kids,
and we try to try to follow them. They go
here it is and it's this now we got maybe also, this.
Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Is one of those little moments you're coming to church.
Speaker 10 (01:00:43):
Everything brilliant, but my first question is what is on
my head? Were Missus Olsen's hats? Apparently briefly tried to
have the idea.
Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
That Nellie was going to start wearing missus hat.
Speaker 10 (01:00:58):
It didn't last, but it's in this episode. I'm sitting
here going, oh, touch you, what's on my head? There
is this enormous floral brave float on my head for
no particular reason, and I'm just like, what the And
there's a huge dramatic scene and I've got like what
looks like a cake on my freaking head. In this
I'm like, really has gone berserk and it's Missus Olsen
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hats out of nowhere.
Speaker 5 (01:01:23):
It's a choice choice, you know what?
Speaker 6 (01:01:25):
That right the writer's room, that guy was like, you
know what, the prairie needs hats, hats, that's what.
Speaker 5 (01:01:45):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
Well, then Laura's like, come on everybody, we can kick
her out. This is crazy, and then Allison, I'm sure
you have the quotes, but and then the Reverend Alden
says the most impactful speech he could possibly say, Yes.
Speaker 10 (01:01:58):
He's been dying because he did want Keesy to stay.
Anne was wrong, and he's like, ooh Christians and starts
quoting the Bible. She talks about her door and he says,
knock and it shall be open to you, and starts talking.
All the Bible quotes about doors suddenly appear, and he
starts talking about.
Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Yes, this is what God does.
Speaker 10 (01:02:18):
And he starts saying, someone who's different, you know, our
Lord and Savior who came into Nasabath. And he says,
so if Jesus showed up in Walnut Grove, a foreigner
and completely different from us and all this, would you
drive him away.
Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Like you're driving away keys? How would you get Basically like.
Speaker 10 (01:02:35):
You are all terrible fake Christians and you're all saying
this stuff. But here's this perfectly nice little old lady
who might have been a pirate and you're being terrible
to her. And the kid is right, and now what
And they all hang their heads except missus Olsen, who's
totally awful and still gets something and goes no, no,
But by this time, mister Garvey, she healed his back,
so he loves her, and it's she's voted, and thank
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god they get it, and they get in the wagon,
go after the poor lady.
Speaker 9 (01:03:04):
And what we get at the end is this wonderful
wide shot looking at those of us who know that
Seami Valley, looking looking up at the rim of the
San Fernando.
Speaker 6 (01:03:14):
Valley there and at the mountains of.
Speaker 9 (01:03:16):
The forests that we're looking at in the distance, and
it's this, just this beautiful wide shot.
Speaker 7 (01:03:24):
Michael loved to shoot those kinds of wide shots. You
didn't need any dialogue. It's just you got this.
Speaker 9 (01:03:30):
When the win the Jonathan's wagon, they pan pan right,
and as soon as you hit Kesia's wagon in the distance,
the theme changes to the Irish theme and the wagon's
going down the hill and closing in, and then you
have Laura's voiceover that says, Kezia stayed and I had
a beautiful I had.
Speaker 7 (01:03:51):
A new dog, and you cut to band it. Sweet
shot a bandit running to camera, freeze.
Speaker 11 (01:03:57):
Frame out, and as parable often brings up the people
who are supposedly guest stars, and they're gonna be here forever,
the voiceover says, and.
Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
We were their friends.
Speaker 7 (01:04:12):
We never see it again, both new.
Speaker 10 (01:04:15):
Characters stay is the damn dog and for the rest
of the show, and Keasyer stays.
Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
So we get the.
Speaker 6 (01:04:22):
The she's in a few episodes.
Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
She's back. She is back, and Lake Easy monsters like epic.
That's another beautiful episode.
Speaker 10 (01:04:39):
So yes, she does stay, and she is a regular person,
and she pops up and she's multiple episodes and the.
Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Dog stays forever. That for Laura is not a liar.
Speaker 7 (01:04:47):
In the voice she.
Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
Right, she did not enter the votex. Halleluia.
Speaker 7 (01:04:53):
Hermioney badly became.
Speaker 9 (01:04:56):
In the parlance of episode television, she became.
Speaker 7 (01:05:01):
A recurring character. She was not a contract player. Yeah,
Doc Baker was never a contract player and never a
contract player. They were always referring throughout. So this was
some miracle.
Speaker 10 (01:05:18):
I had a contract because the whole like massive number
of people they said, well, just go episode episode and
they were friends with Michael, so they said okay, And
most of the time it worked. The downside was if
he didn't have a contract to renew, money got weird.
Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
You didn't make as much money. She just didn't make
as much money for a contract player.
Speaker 10 (01:05:36):
And then the downside is Michael discovers that somebody offers
you Carter Country, you go because you don't have a contract.
Speaker 5 (01:05:42):
But he was mad at him for going, wasn't he.
Speaker 7 (01:05:46):
A moment?
Speaker 5 (01:05:48):
Yeah, but I mean that the sort.
Speaker 6 (01:05:50):
Of hypocrisy of that is, well, if you want to
keep him, put him on, Like what else is he
supposed to do?
Speaker 10 (01:05:55):
I think maybe he learned his lesson after that. I
think a lot of people suddenly became contract.
Speaker 6 (01:06:00):
Yeah, I mean contract, which it is wild that Doc
Baker and Evernalden were not on contract.
Speaker 5 (01:06:06):
That is and that is crazy that Unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
It cuts both ways, as everybody found out.
Speaker 9 (01:06:12):
Yeah, I think Look, I think for the from a
business standpoint, it's you know, it's a it's a smart
economical decision to do that. From a from the point
of view of a spree de corps, not necessarily a
great decision.
Speaker 7 (01:06:31):
And that was really did a bite Mike bite the company.
I mean, look, this was Michael's decision, this was Kant's decision.
They did it this way and most of the time
it worked out and.
Speaker 10 (01:06:45):
You didn't have to pay extra, you didn't have to
do this unless the person got another gig and.
Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
You had and you had, no you have to pay them.
Speaker 10 (01:06:54):
So that's the problem is it does it goes both ways.
Speaker 7 (01:06:57):
So it does. But listen a beautiful episode.
Speaker 9 (01:07:04):
Such lovely little lessons. There's so many little lessons in it.
But it starts, you know, it starts and ends with
Laura and her you know, the rejection of a friend,
to the devastation of a loss of a friend, to
making a new friend, accepting that friend's differences and then
advocating for that friend to the whole town.
Speaker 7 (01:07:24):
And you say, Laura, what, Yeah.
Speaker 9 (01:07:26):
Laura was thirteen, Melissa was thirteen point yeah, yeah, yeah, she.
Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
Looks so little.
Speaker 6 (01:07:31):
And if it if it helps in terms of like
what are the what are the little house lessons? I
will say that when I was watching this with my
little daughter, and it was the part where Bandit is
running in the mustard green mustard fields and he's running
away from and she's and Laura is finally like, I
love you, Bandon, I love you. I'm here now, and
he's like nope, and he's running away and Margot and
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Margot said and my jaw dropped over, and Margo said,
but she had all that time, and she said.
Speaker 5 (01:08:01):
That's a life lesson.
Speaker 6 (01:08:05):
All that time, Laura meaning Laura had all that time
to love the dog and be nice to the dog,
and now the dog's not responding anymore because she's been
mistreating the dog.
Speaker 5 (01:08:15):
And then she just went, but that's a life lesson.
That's a good lesson.
Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Seven, She said, that's a life lesson.
Speaker 5 (01:08:24):
I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 7 (01:08:26):
Well, she is her mother's daughter, for sure, I.
Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
Mean, very various.
Speaker 10 (01:08:32):
That's why this show, that's why, that's why our show
is a hit fifty two freaking years later.
Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
No, that's it.
Speaker 10 (01:08:37):
A seven year old can watch it and go and
that is a life lesson.
Speaker 6 (01:08:41):
Yes, that's it, exactly that. That was the point of me.
Not I'm not bragging about my brilliant daughter. I'm just
saying the point of even saying that is that the
lessons are still Okay, oh she was on three times.
You know these lessons are still there to be learned.
Speaker 5 (01:08:58):
I mean she doesn't. Yeah, this does not.
Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
One's like a triple triple whammy. This one she was in.
She was in okay, the cast Offs and Lakesia. She
was in The Handyman.
Speaker 7 (01:09:09):
Just remember the kids that's right. She had a quick moment.
It was and it wasn't really like an it moster.
Speaker 9 (01:09:19):
Obviously that was a significant creative contribution to that episode.
Speaker 7 (01:09:24):
I think the handyman she just was there and I
don't think that.
Speaker 9 (01:09:31):
Yeah, but these two were the those two cast offs
and Kesia Monster were wonderful, wonderful opportunities for her and
she delivered huge.
Speaker 10 (01:09:39):
The impression this woman made with these episodes lakes is
that when we were in Simi Valley with our eighteen
thousand friends, not one, not one, but two women showed
up in full Kezia horn Harmony Badly cosplay full had
the foot elaborate costumes, one with a large crow sew.
Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Into the shoulder of her coach and the other was
doing the lake Kesia had the hat and a spear
and had a harpoon. Harpoon.
Speaker 10 (01:10:10):
She had a harpoon and the same way that she
used in Lake Kesia. They came as cast off in
Lakesia to full on harmony badly complete costumes complete with
harpoon and crut.
Speaker 5 (01:10:20):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (01:10:22):
Wow, that's really that's that's really fun.
Speaker 9 (01:10:25):
And this character, this character delivers a wonderful certainly in
this episode, I means she's tons of fun in the
Lake Kesia Monster.
Speaker 7 (01:10:34):
In this one, she really.
Speaker 9 (01:10:36):
Delivers an important lesson and it's not surprising, you know.
In it says that Michael comes back at the start
of a new season to deliver something that has a real,
a major message to it. And I think this was
his This was his style. He always directed season premiere episodes,
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always all as always.
Speaker 7 (01:11:00):
That, yes, that was his deal.
Speaker 6 (01:11:02):
And another ball or move to start off a season,
which is like the writer room. The guy in the
writer room was like, you know what, the prairie needs the.
Speaker 5 (01:11:10):
Dog to die. The needs a dead dog somewhere. I mean,
it's a ball move man. Yeah, but it worked. I mean, woof, geez,
the emotion.
Speaker 7 (01:11:21):
Game of Thrones killed off characters right everybody.
Speaker 6 (01:11:24):
You know, It's like, that's what was so terrifying about
watching it, exactly.
Speaker 5 (01:11:28):
No one was safe and we're we're so used.
Speaker 6 (01:11:31):
To our beloved characters always, you know, kill off your
beloved characters, right.
Speaker 5 (01:11:37):
Let Nope, the dog, the dog got his day.
Speaker 7 (01:11:40):
I think we I think we need to do now.
Speaker 10 (01:11:45):
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Us on Patreon because it's all about dogs. And pets
and animals and what they all mean to us, and
that'll be a really nice conversation. But again, check out
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Everything's in the show notes, all of our.
Speaker 5 (01:12:07):
Upcoming events and goings ons.
Speaker 6 (01:12:09):
And that's it for today. Thank you for being with us.
We'll see you next time. Bob, get the wig.
Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
Let's fly Baby in Mister Free's. They've worked the free
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