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Speaker 1 (01:32):
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Speaker 3 (01:33):
Dean Butler, how are you guys?

Speaker 4 (01:36):
You know, soaking wet, soaking wet here in southern.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
California and in New York.

Speaker 5 (01:41):
Ridiculous slash flooding in La I read the flash floods
on your Gold round.

Speaker 6 (01:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess first range first, well, no,
it is, but it's it's maybe a little early in
the season for this kind of rain. We always want
the rain, but you know, it's so funny, there's a
there's if there's a certain cruelty to the rain coming
now when you've got all this exposed land after the
horrible fires we had last January, and there's going to be.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
There's going to be some serious flooding as a result
of this.

Speaker 6 (02:12):
Now, the good news is it's pouring hard for twenty minutes,
stops for half an hour, pouring hard for twenty minutes,
so the water's getting a chance to soak in a
little bit, so that will.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Help this at least if that's the way the day
is starting. I'll say that.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
But yeah, I just that's what because Palisades, Alta, Dina,
et cetera. And remember there were just two fires at
that time. They were like seven fires burning around, so the.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
City was on fire.

Speaker 5 (02:37):
Yeah, thousands of square miles of completely bare hillside with
nothing holding it back right now.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
And yeah, it's it's it's serious.

Speaker 6 (02:48):
But no, but other than that, all as you know,
all as well, there's always drama in the world. But
you know, but we're fine. Everyone's good. I mean, I'm good.
Are you good?

Speaker 1 (03:00):
It is it's gorgeous in Paris. It was so sunny today.

Speaker 5 (03:02):
I think I got I gotta think a little bird
like gorgeous. I went to I took a course today.
I've been trying to take this course, but my schedule
and their schedule thing. Uh, you're familiar with the Cordon.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
Blue Cordon Blue.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
Well, in addition to the classes where you need to
like go there for months and become a chef, they
have short little day classes for tourists and visitors two
hours I was there and I took a three hour
pastry course and made an apple tatan.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
But it's the classics re visited.

Speaker 5 (03:34):
So it's a really weird, like ultra modern novelle cuisine
bizarro thing about they cook, You cook the apples and
you freeze them. Then you make a crumble crust and
you put the thing on top and then there's some
whipped cream and some apple.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
To Oh my god, it's nuts. I have pictures on Facebook,
but it's it's going to be delicious. It's in the fridge,
all right.

Speaker 6 (03:53):
So all I want to know is at the Cordon Blue,
are you going to make cinnamon chicken?

Speaker 4 (03:58):
That's what I want.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
That's what they need.

Speaker 5 (03:59):
I need to go down there and have an institute canell.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
What if they recognize? What if she walked in the
court blue and they were like Nelly Olsen.

Speaker 6 (04:12):
And I.

Speaker 5 (04:14):
Think one or two people did and were just being cool.
There were a couple of people going high uh huh. Yes, yes, yes,
I just didn't say anything, but yes, I do they
how to do it? And I was sitting there cooking
apples and a big pan of butter, and like, do
you guys get that?

Speaker 3 (04:33):
A lot awesome, that's worth it. Do you guys get
when you go places, you get people looking, it's.

Speaker 6 (04:42):
Very contextual for me, Alison, I think probably it seems
like everywhere else and ghost people know her. It's it's
much more contextual for me. I mean, if I'm in
the space and what I'm grateful for is this, When
I'm in the space where I'm supposed to be known,
people look at me.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
And nurge me.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
I guess that's what matters.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
I'm very grateful for.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
That's actually like convenient celebrity. That's great because you can
have a regular life. But then also, yeah, absolutely absolutely yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Some days it's re quiet.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
In other days, I says, it's like mister Rogers neighborhood.
I go out, Andy, go hey, how are you are you?

Speaker 1 (05:23):
And it's like all day long, I never know what
it's going to be.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
So well, I think we should. I think we should.

Speaker 6 (05:30):
Well, of course we've got things coming up we'll talk
about here. But we've got something really fun to talk
about today because this episode will drop around Halloween, and
there are special things about Halloween.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
Take us is take before Halloween, So Pamela take us to.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
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(06:19):
all right, I was checking to see if we had
an intro sentence that I needed to say, but I
don't see one. Dean.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
I just you know, you just say, what are we
talking about today?

Speaker 3 (06:29):
What are we talking about to about my podcast?

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Say?

Speaker 6 (06:34):
Since you asked, I'll tell you today we're talking about
an episode that's incredibly timely. It's season three, episode five,
and it's timely because it's around Halloween.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Yes, the Monster of Walnut Grove.

Speaker 6 (06:48):
This holiday horror show, premiered on November one, nineteen seventy six,
the day after Halloween. This episode will drop the day
before Halloween. It's all very sort of right there centric.
This particular a nerving episode was written by John Hawkins and.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Directed by one of our favorite William F. Claxton.

Speaker 6 (07:10):
Bill directed so many episodes of the show. So Allison,
what's it all about?

Speaker 1 (07:20):
We have to remember Little House in the Parye. Everybody
had a million Christmas shows.

Speaker 5 (07:23):
I think we had four or five Halloween themed episodes
because Mike Kolana's birthday was Halloween. He was all about
teenage Wearwolf Show. Every five minutes, we're making a freaking
Halloween episode. And here, indeed, who's Halloween in Walnut Grove?

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Halloween Eve?

Speaker 5 (07:37):
And of course Laura Reed gets creep because Laura reads
carry the Legend of Sleepy Hollow because I mean small file,
and yes it was. It was correct, because absolutely a
legend of Sleepy Hollow eighteen frick and twenty. So yeah,
totally fine that she read that. No, no, no historical
problems there, and it's the Washington Irving book with the
headless Horseman. Well, Laura's imagination takes a horrifying turn after

(07:58):
witnessing outburst of temper at the Olsons Yes. Convinced that
the mercantile has become the scene of a murder seriously
and unable to convince others of what she saw, Laura's
over active minds wild. The result a Halloween classic of
mistaken identity, prairie paranoia, and mortified Laura, who learns it
sometimes the scariest thing in the Frontier isn't a monster toll,

(08:21):
it's your imagination running wild or if your Carrie, it's
your your feet.

Speaker 6 (08:27):
Yes, that episode was afraid, I'm afraid, Yeah, yeah, And
she was how old was how old was the Green
Bush How old were the Green Bush Girls?

Speaker 5 (08:36):
Because this is so I'm fourteen, Melissa's twelve, Jonathan's nine,
and I just like to say, Jonathan is el Fuego
on fire on Flombay in this episode. This is if
you were a fan of Bill Claxton, if you are
a fan of Jonathan Gilbert, this is the episode for you.

Speaker 6 (08:56):
Oh you know what happened to the pupper? You said
the dog was injured?

Speaker 4 (09:03):
What happened?

Speaker 3 (09:04):
I know. I came home. Dian and I were supposed
to have a phone meeting and I came home and
she was she was She was unable to climb down
the stairs or walk and she was shaking and when
I tried picking her up, she screeched with pain.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
So I was like, oh, no, I ate something she ate?

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Well, we well, we went to the doctor. They checked her,
No broken bones, nothing, And the only thing was maybe
she like pulled a muscle when we were in the
park in the morning because she was running around. So
three hundred and seventy seven dogs.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
She's fine, fine, do you do you have insurance? Now?

Speaker 3 (09:40):
We do?

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Now we do.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
It was really putting it off.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
We'd been putting it off, and then I came home
and I was like, we're getting insurance. Why is my
dog more expensive than my children? Right now?

Speaker 5 (09:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Anyway, I picked her up because she was just begging
to be picked up. So she's well.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
Cute wow.

Speaker 5 (10:02):
Yeah, yeah, so I said, oh, I would drag my
black cat out for this episode.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
But right exactly this episode.

Speaker 6 (10:11):
Okay, so that we were trying to figure out how
old the bean Bush girls were when they wore.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Because were they three when the series started.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
And a half four ish when they it started? Five
years and yeah they're like five pushing six, but just barely.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
They're little guys.

Speaker 5 (10:28):
They're beavers and it's hysterical. Carrie again, this is a
great Carry episode. Those are fans of Carrie being particularly
this is the Carry episode. More reads of this terrifying story,
and she said name yeah, and which Adventures Dakoda that
she's frightened.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
And then there's something in the bed. There's something in
the bed.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Now.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
Interestingly, one point Carrie falls back asleep and wakes up,
and I go is this whole episode maybe really a
dream that Carrie's.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Having right so nuts, but she.

Speaker 5 (10:58):
Sees something in the bed and when her mom just
look at your feet, and then Carris it, I am
afraid what I'm afraid of feet?

Speaker 1 (11:05):
I am afraid of feet.

Speaker 5 (11:06):
Is literally the line, and then she actually says this,
I'm afraid of This is one of those goes down
in history great carry moments.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
So I particularly I will say that her the close
up of her sad, scared face is quite adorable, and
we don't get too many of them, but I will
give it to her when it's a good carry moment,
it's a good carry moment. And that was a good
carry moment.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
It is actually top ten great carry moments. I'm afraid
of fat.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Also, you know, maybe don't read your toddler scary story
like why why not smart going.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
Out at nine thirty at night? Also why does no
one have a lantern in those days? Because we take
a flashlight.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Back then it was perfectly calm and to simply take
a lantern with you, one would take a flash all
goes out without with the lander. Nobody grabs a lander.
They're all walking around in the dark. I don't know
what the heck is going.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
I mean, I love that they're going out at night
to soap the windows. Uh but ye, walking at night
miles away to the town center with no light.

Speaker 5 (12:16):
Hmmm.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
They didn't think this one through.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, I know you would, you would happen. Yes, historically accurate.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
People have been soaping them windows since time immemorial. Halloween
thousands of years old because it was like an old
Celtic sam haynthing, but it even was popular in America
the Irish.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
You can thank the Irish for Halloween and the Scottish.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
Irish and Scottish brought it over because a big Celtic
thing and really brought it to America the Irish immigrants.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
But it became huge right away.

Speaker 5 (12:45):
So way, yeah, like late seventeen, hundreds of people are They
used to carve turnips instead of pumpkins.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Did you know that?

Speaker 5 (12:52):
Wow, I didn't know that, big fat turnips. But you
could then carry them like a little lantern. You'd carve
a little face and put a candle and carry the
turnip around. So yeah, Halloween was completely a thing by
the eighteen seventies.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Trick or treating not really a thing yet.

Speaker 5 (13:07):
Which they didn't do, so that was cool, but so
open windows and pranks, and in some cities today they
still have the night before Halloween thirtieth and then Devil's Night,
Frank Night, all these different names.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah, on the.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
East Coast, like Jersey, New York, Trice area, it's called
cabbage Night, Cabbage and Cabbage Night. I don't know why
it's called cabbage Night, but cabbage. That's how we grew up.
And you would always have to take your pumpkins inside
on cabbage Nights because kids would come out and smash
your pumpkin. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and smashing pumpkins perhaps was
born out of a yes, I.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
Think, I think baby for real.

Speaker 6 (13:43):
Yeah so so, so Laura has read the legend of
Sleepy Hollow. They are off in the dark without a
lantern to town, but in television terms, it's cut cut.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
They go out the door and then they.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Are mighty mighty bright moonshine might.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah you'll be fine, you can see.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
Yeah, there you.

Speaker 6 (14:05):
Go and be home by nine point thirty. So okay,
So Laura sees a moment. Yes, let's talk about that
moment because that's the whole episode.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
That's the whole entire episode.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
It's about I love that mister Olsen is ranting about
his sword. He never has any fun, and he gets
to bought bought himself a sword. It's the finest Toledo steel,
which would be very expensive, and he's like jazz about
this sword, and Missus Olsen is like, why you idiot,
why are you buying all this crap?

Speaker 1 (14:37):
And by the way, I can I can't attest to this.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
Richard Bull loved doing this episode so much because always
is mister Olson.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
He's nice gone, he's nice gone, he's always.

Speaker 5 (14:49):
Good at staid, and he gets to act like a
complete nut bull and be suspected of murder and act
completely insane. Did this whole episode and you never saw
anybody have so you can see him having fun and enjoy. Yes,
oh my god, what Yes, in heaven heaven.

Speaker 6 (15:05):
He got he got to play a little creepy, you know,
I mean that's it's it's like, I mean the Pamela,
that will be the way you would describe you have
you know, you go to creepy a lot.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
You He's a little creepy in.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
This Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, which which is exactly
how it's supposed to be, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
She through the window.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
There clearly the ultra jar arguing again not news. She's
complaining that he spent a bunch of money, and she
sees what appears to be a woman in a very
fancy dress with dark hair and sounds like there's rules
and holds off with his Toledo steels got somebody's head off.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
He goes, oh my god, he's just killed.

Speaker 5 (15:43):
This is all, and then we do the wa wah
wah joke where we go back to the living and
of course why did you buy that dressmaker's dummy? Oh,
Harry at will use it.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
It's great, Yes, already are horror that he's got a
head off.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Right, except now Laura's traumatized, thinking she just witnessed a murder,
a brutale.

Speaker 6 (16:03):
Well, so, yeah, so what Michael does here, or what
John what John Hawkins does immediately is releases the pressure
that he really did cut missus Olsen's. The audience knows
right away nobody's dead. Yes, I'm always in the open.
The audience knows nobody's dead. And now it's completely Laura's fixation,

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and we get to watch as she is trying to
sell everybody on this side of what she saw to Mary,
she's telling mon Pa, she's selling, she's selling, Carl Edwards,
she's she's selling everybody and nobody's buying.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
And right away the wet blanket, Just what do you
think of I'm telling you man and Laura Okay, she's young,
she's super young in this and she says, but you
kind of go. She didn't even take into account that
maybe just even if it happened, that yes, the idea
of someone's being actually beheaded, it won't grow bite, mister Ols.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Might be a stretch, and that even if it really happened,
you probably were going to have a hard time convincing
the like, why don't you believe it? Because you just
told that somebody got their cut off the foor.

Speaker 6 (17:10):
Now we also see a was this the first time
or was it so Ellison, you would know this, So
nightmares become a there's the wonderful episode that you do
where all the nightmares are about you, you know, you
cutting off her head and more cutting off the head,
more horrible things that you do.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
So with this thing is the introduction of that idea.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Because we recapped another episode where it was the dream sequence,
but I don't remember it.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
Was music Box, music Box talk a balk of dream Sequences?

Speaker 1 (17:41):
But is this season? Is this season three?

Speaker 4 (17:44):
This is season three?

Speaker 5 (17:46):
Season well, I think music Box is season three double check,
but I think season three was the season of dream
Sequences ran the whole year.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
I feel like it was a dream Sequences now one.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
This isn't This is an episode for a fan of
Bill Clasp because some of the shots in this thing,
the Spooky Thing, cameras are going through the trees and
over things and under things, and Jonathan is like mind blowing.
But it's also if you're a fan of David Rose,
this is an episode for you. The creepy music and
all dream sequences are introduced with the werewolf howl.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Thank you, Yes, yes, that's what is going on.

Speaker 6 (18:26):
But the yeah the werewolf on Halloween. Yeah, I mean
and I think we can say yeah. They go right
at it, which is the fun of it. There's no
you know, there's no hesitation, there's no pulling like is
this would this really happen?

Speaker 4 (18:41):
There's no question about let's just go this is the.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Story in the nose, this is this is so silly
to admit that. I have to tell you something. When
I was watching this, when I was a little kid
watching this. I remember going and I think I even
said it to myself. I was like, you know this
is real, right because I think us. I was like,
because it's based on the books, it's based on the story.

(19:04):
This is I I had no idea. I was just like,
I can't this really happened because this is based on
the books. No, I didn't know a clue.

Speaker 5 (19:14):
I was a little so and again Richard Bull just
eating up the scenry and having a field day, when like,
what's up?

Speaker 1 (19:23):
And he corners her by the sword.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
In his hand, and he doesn't think any of them
because and so he's practically got the sort near her neck,
not the boy, but he didn't realize he's doing it.
And she's like, as he's going, you're not going to
tell anybody because.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
He's all that.

Speaker 5 (19:43):
Mister Olsen freaking out and destroying a perfectly good dressmakers stummy,
what an idiot.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Oh, you're not going to tell anybody about this. It'll
be doing you and me hysterical, totally creepy.

Speaker 5 (19:53):
She's flipping out and Richard is just going, He's loving
every second of the inst.

Speaker 6 (19:59):
And so he decides that okay, we've got to go.
We've got to go to the mercantile.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
We have to go.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
He's a serial killer to see and.

Speaker 6 (20:08):
Of course we've seen the previous scene where the device
has come up that Harriet's going to go see her
mother and so, and she's all not on the stage
but on a wagon early.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
Cheaper and faster. He gets the wonderful jaquelinely, the wonderful
Jaqually who apparently.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Has a name. If you look at the ID they
gave him, it's like, oh really.

Speaker 5 (20:27):
The British they made it, gave him some weird sweetish
name for so it isn't even used for It's just
like why, okay, So Jack Lily is driving the wagon
again and she sneaks around on the wagon because he
wants to get the hell out of there.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
He's like, great, please go to your mother. And of
course then what is every.

Speaker 5 (20:47):
Guy you watch all the true crime palelists, So what
is every true crime when the guy has murdered his
wife's saying, oh, I'm she's staying at her mother.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
She lives, she lives to her mother.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
Every murderer on TV and a true crime pod guess
is always saying that the white that he's just killed.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Is that her mother's and here we are.

Speaker 6 (21:05):
Yeah, And so the first act ends with him spinning
this telling the story to the kids, and Act one
ends with Carl saying, I'm really getting nervous. After not
believing her at all, now Carl is getting nervous and
maybe something really bad did happen here and of act one.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
And can I ask? So we have the first nightmare
that happens in Act one, which is just these floating
heads screaming. So al do you remember, yeah, tell us
about just filming out again.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
We all had way too much fun doing this Brian part,
the lovely Carl, and this is kind of why, like
eventually speak Albert and they need.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
A little boy, they need a little ones.

Speaker 5 (21:46):
Oh my god, we have Carl. So she got a
little boy friend who can come in and have these
branks because Mary's not gonna go with it.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Let's get Carl Hill do it.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Yeah, So we.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
Shoot this thing and we need to screaming hats, and
of course the dream. You know how much fun Richard
had with the scary like zombie makeup and the teeth.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
He was like the Spender's Nightmare number two. Yeah, it's
like that's yes when he looks like lords. But the
screaming heads.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
So they had a table the black tablecloth and get
down on the floor and stick your head up through
the hole in the table with all black cloth and
get the camera on it.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
And okay, do you think scream? I do some lovely
screaming in this episode. I'm very screaming.

Speaker 5 (22:27):
Loved it had so much funlity getting on my plate
being it was like playing Halloween.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Let's get under the table and be a screaming head. Ah.
It loved it, loved it, loved it, loved it.

Speaker 6 (22:37):
You know, I was gonna I was going to say
here that Michael loved the scare thing. I mean, he
really loved that. What's nice about this? I mean I
hate going to horror movies and being manipulated.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
Yeah, it just it does.

Speaker 6 (22:50):
It does make But this so it has all of
the treatments of all the all the different artifices that
you use, conventions that you used create this.

Speaker 4 (23:01):
But it's not it's scary, but it's not super scared.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
No, it's more fun.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
It's fun scared.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
Tomato sauce, blood on the aprons like that been scary.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
The bloody.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, loving loving, loving, loving.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
Okay, so now she's doing detective work, big detective work.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Where he's not on the stick. She's the stage coach.

Speaker 5 (23:28):
Oh my god, they checked the stack and it's the
beautiful Ruthie Foster's on the stage coach.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
We what do we do?

Speaker 1 (23:34):
What do we now at this point? Because I have
I made a note. You noticed it when went to school.

Speaker 5 (23:39):
We're jumping rope. I'm turning the rope rope. This was
a Billy Claxton lovely memory. So we go to jump rope.
I don't know, I'm really good at jumping rope.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Didn't do that.

Speaker 5 (23:51):
A lot didn't know a lot of the jump rope games,
catching rope, a lot of the kids. And we go
to He's like, you jump rope, right, and I'm like yeah,
And then he starts out to like again, you jump rope,
and they goes, no, I don't know how to jump rope.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
He goes, there's no one here, no how to jump rope?
Or you jump rope? Gage? What your children? Why do
you not know how to jump rope? And so many
of the kids didn't. They chucked in to jump rope
your modern children, and.

Speaker 5 (24:14):
Bill Blacks and went I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
All you kids know and what are you hanging out
in pools? None of you can? What is going with
the children today?

Speaker 6 (24:24):
Like, what's the matter with these kids?

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Kids?

Speaker 1 (24:29):
What are you doing?

Speaker 4 (24:30):
Bars?

Speaker 3 (24:32):
They're going on auditions, that's what they're doing.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Those kids.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Why would you know how to jump rope?

Speaker 4 (24:41):
I threate that.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Did anyone teach you how to jump rope?

Speaker 1 (24:44):
I did? I did learn to jump rope.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
All I remember is you always always turning the rope,
but super aggressively, just so nelly, just such.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
A Nelly way, even turning it than jumping it.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
Jim, Yeah, no, I love that.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
I love that. And then it gets so, oh, here's
a man. So wait, where's ma?

Speaker 5 (25:11):
They come to the mercantile. I'm there, Nellie's there, and
oh your mother? And Nellie's like, you're crazy, but she's
at Grandma's fine. Have we ever heard hellitioned her grandmother before? Again,
never mentioned my grandparents mother, missus Olsen has a mother.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
We've never seen her.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
We saw since Copers, but I've never mentioned, oh yeah,
my grandma.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
That's out of nowhere. I suddenly start talking about my
grandma that I apparently.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
Know in service of the story.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Yes, that's right, which is the whole thing. It's a
dream that Carrie is having. Garry falls back.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
Asleep and then wake and I think from then on
it is all everything that happens is Actually.

Speaker 6 (25:54):
I tried to.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
I think they would have paid that off. But it's
a great idea.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
This is one of those episodes where they're like, screw it, everybody,
we're having fun this week. Like done in this episode?
Is he like where Michael, I'm sorry, Michael Linon's not
even in this episode.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
Well, no, he's He's there. He sends them off on there.
He sends them off on there.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Ben.

Speaker 5 (26:19):
Yeah. He he just sits at the dinner table smoking
a pipe.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
They come back in. He goes, what are you talking about?
Does no, you didn't kill anybody? And then again and
then they come back. It's like it, he says, hanging
out living Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (26:30):
And interestingly, one of the I noticed this one of
the rare times that you see a reverse inside the
house from the sleeping area to see the wall that
we never see as we're always shooting in facing the fireplace.
There was the reverse, a very non descript no pictures,

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no furniture. No nothing on that wall, just a blank
white plaster wall, just sort of interesting.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
We rarely see that pointed.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
And when they're in the schoolyard and Claxton shoots through
that clump of bushes, dead tree thing, we're like, easy,
he used to hang it and he's shooting through that
into the schoolyard and everything.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
And in later dream sequens when they have the big silver.

Speaker 5 (27:13):
Like covered the reflection of their faces distorted in the
curved silver lid, thing, what is going on?

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, Claston went to town. That's why I said this
is so good. It's so good.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Someone took some mushrooms and.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Having a three grandma.

Speaker 5 (27:36):
And then Jonathan, yeah, Jonathan, as soon as he starts,
it's just like wow, wow, Oh that was another great moment.
When we're doing the dishes because we're starting to wonder
if he's our father's killed someone, because he's like you
the nation.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
We're like, okay, god, maybe he's killing people.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
And Jonathan does Willie says that's girls work.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
And I just go, no passage. Yeah, he gets.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
Aware with Nelly with that one, and it's like, yeah,
I'm not even acknowledging things said that, yeah, no, you're
doing the dish.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
You know her older sister Vibe was strong in this one.
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah, so good.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Okay. So so Laura tries to tell Nelly and Willie, hey,
your dad beheaded your mom and like you, like you're
an idiot. Yeah, don't take it seriously at all until
what you just said. They're in the kitchening you better
set the table, and they find the quote unquote bloody apron, which.

Speaker 5 (28:39):
Is really where your mother is gone. Your mother is gone,
and he's being really weird. And then we find the
bloody apron, and Nell's is sharpening behind in the kitchen.

Speaker 6 (28:49):
Right, and then and then and then Nell's okay, so
we get the bloody apron, and then Nells goes on
to explain about again.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
Again, so everybody is clear here.

Speaker 5 (29:04):
Except Laura, right, and he says, oh, and I spilled sauce,
and you see Jonathan go sauce the look that Jonathan
and I give each other the table.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
And then oh, by the way, another old it was
roast beef with mashed potatoes. It's always roast beef green beans.

Speaker 5 (29:21):
Well every time there, I am, okay, it's either turkey,
always a roast of some sort. We had a cork
gross one time that we had, but this was it
was so good, it was so good, and and so
we really there's a moment when he is explained, now,
no nobody's dead. She's fine, ha ha ha mannequin and
oh blood with sauce, and we get sauce. And then

(29:43):
as soon as we realize no one's dead, we lock
eyes across the.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Table and go, lot, yeah, we're gonna do a plan.
We're so going to do this.

Speaker 5 (29:53):
And I go over like, Okay, I'll do your chores
and dishes and dishes. I bribe, but I look and
get Jonathan. Let's do this, no scare Laura. And what
if he goes, I don't want to. I don't want to,
and he's really like me and iyebribe in with chores
and thinks and then he says, Andrew roasbeek, okay, fine,
I get the whole plate of food system. So Jonathan

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right away is going to tah he's all over, and
then we now we have to do the whole bloody
apron and scare genius genius.

Speaker 6 (30:21):
Genius, tell well that's and that's when it becomes a
true Little House episode where we get that told dynamic
with Laura and Ellie Ellie yeah yeah, the scheming Nelly yeah,
and which is then now the audience is everyone's in
the clear, but Laura, everyone understands what's going on.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
Now let the fun begin.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
And poor Carl who's terrified.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
Yes, Carl also is in the dark.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Laura's also like Laura. I like to this part too,
where Laura was said to Carl because he was like,
I don't want to do this, and She's like, best
friends are supposed to, you know, like support each other. Right,
You're my best friend, right, And I was thinking, damn, that's.

Speaker 6 (30:57):
Not She's take a loyalty pledge from Carl.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Dream sequence too, Yes and Males has make up very lurch,
very lurch from the animal's family, but with scary teeth teeth.
He was so happy, he was so happy that he
was just like.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Who did who did that makeup? Was that Whitey that
did that?

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Why do you yet right? Or was it Hank?

Speaker 5 (31:28):
I think it was Whitey And obviously years of experience
doing horror makeup, just he was so so happy and
then uh so that's when you get the shot in
the dream sequence of Laura and and Carl in the dome,
the curved dome of when he lifts up the thing
and had clact and shoots the.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Reflection distorted horror movie.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Reflections and all distorted. It's brilliant. It's a great shot.
It's so creepy. That is that?

Speaker 4 (31:59):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Creep factor? Yes, when you see their reflection in the
domed platter, it starts.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
To get scary. Yeah. And she's under the table with
her head roll on the things. Crazy.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
Yes, everybody again out of the we care the carrots
and potatoes on the.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
Yeah. And then then we're okay.

Speaker 6 (32:18):
So then Laura wakes up from the nightmare, has to
go to the outhouse, can't bring yourself to do it.
And the next morning we get the great carry moment. Yes,
Laura running out the door up the hill to the outhouse.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
A may. I don't think we ever saw do we
see Laura do that much?

Speaker 3 (32:34):
I don't think we Yeah, classic house humor.

Speaker 5 (32:39):
We've all had that. When you wake up in the morning,
you really got to go. But you know, this is
why they had chamber pots, because really, when it.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Was why didn't they have a little pot under the
bed for those type, but it's not as.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Funny as having run.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Like a Chanelle's suit. Outhouse humor will never go out
of style, you know, never.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
There's another one when Willie does the whole thing about
the cellar Tracy and says, oh, yeah, it's in our
cellar and she says, I didn't know you.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Had a seller.

Speaker 5 (33:10):
Was like, what because the seller has never been mentioned?
It she actually because I didn't know you had a cellar.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, it's totally.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Yeah. Well at first I was like, maybe he's lying
about the cellar, but then we actually do see that
I have a cellar.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
I was worried I didn't have one. Yeah, yeah, And
then what what.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
Was it when he said this about not going well,
why don't you go down there?

Speaker 1 (33:30):
I was a scared?

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Which was scared?

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Who said that that one? Scared? I was scared?

Speaker 4 (33:39):
I was scared, Okay, scared.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
I was afraid and scared. I was scared.

Speaker 6 (33:46):
So okay, so now we we that is, yes, but
then we have so we come back from the nightmare.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Laura runs to the to the outhouse. She has the
conversation with my I think at.

Speaker 6 (33:57):
That point, no, no, she wus so no, no, I'm sorry.
She runs the hot house, and then we cut to
the mercantile and mister Olson is buying a new mannequin
to replace.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
The one moving body part.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Yes, right with the moving body parts.

Speaker 6 (34:16):
Yes, and the odd salesman, I mean really creepy salesman.

Speaker 5 (34:21):
I wrote down his name because yes, this dude has
been in everything in the entire universe.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
This actor.

Speaker 5 (34:27):
If you look what he's going to, like the Twilight
Zone four times. If you go down a Sion and
you see what he's played Undertaker, Undertaker, coroner, grave digger, Undertaker,
funeral director, Undertaker, minister. Yes, he's played like Undertaker seven times,
Undertaker on Bonanza eight plays weird creepy dudes. This is
his stocking trait, this is his thing. Brilliant, brilliant, and

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he has a funky name.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
What's the hell's his name? I know, I read it
down some whorka.

Speaker 5 (34:52):
I'm like, this man is brilliant, the very very very
very creepy dude.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
I wrote it to on some where. His name. He's awesome.
Look this guy up, look this guy up, and all
of his work. He is brilliant. We love him, We loved.

Speaker 6 (35:07):
So so while ever again while everybody knows that everything
is normal other than Laura and Carl. They after the
salesman leaves, they come crawling into the store, still doubting things,
and their cool shot looking up from the floor, low angle,
looking up through the lamps and all the stuff.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
There's mister Rolson's stuffing legs in a bag and they
don't quite right.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Yeah again, the white hand hanging, I mean that is scary.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
That is gross and yeah, and really well constructed too.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
I mean, I think that's so you're you know, he's keeping.
They are keeping.

Speaker 6 (35:51):
The relief and the tension for Laura and Carl always high.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
They flip out, they run out. End of bat Let's
take a quick break here.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
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Speaker 3 (36:59):
And where back with Act three.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
So they got to go.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
They got to go in to the mercantell night. They
gotta go, Willie, so you gotta meet me. You gotta
come in at night. You gotta come in to night.
The reason they have to go at night because Willie
has now dragged us out into school.

Speaker 7 (37:11):
They're in school and this people is giving eight lesson
on citizenship and what are the obligations of a citizenship?
And she was like, they need to pay taxes.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
Mary's of course, yes, he says, and everyone's speaking, and
I go they run for office.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
And this they can, but that's not of cloud. Billy
said that.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
Nellie's like, I'm running and then Willie says they have
to report a crime if they.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
See so soulative.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
No, oh no, and he's going, I'm both he and
I'm doing evil evil evil g Intan. So then these
poor children again go to night to landa no lander,
no flash light, no lanner.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
She and Carl and they're in the cemetery. And that's
when I went, whoa, whoa, whoa? What year is this?
Verse seventy six?

Speaker 4 (37:59):
So why did they go to the cemetery? So I'm
sorry I missed that a little bit. Why are we
going to the cemetery?

Speaker 5 (38:06):
We made them wait there, to meet them there and
then bring them apron because it's to scare them.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
It's creepy to scare them, totally scare back.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
Okay, creepy because remember it's nineteen seventy six, and in
nineteen seventy five, season two, less than one year ago.
I've always going in, you know, only a year ago.
Let's not pay attention to the last episode. Carl, you
know Sanderson, his mom was Patricia Neil, who died, she buried,
she she is buried, Missus Simson is buried in that

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churchyard cemetery less than a year ago, and young Carl
is hiding behind the Oh wait, they just forgot Okay, great,
So Mom's tombstone.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
So terrible and we have to get in.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
And so that's when it goes completely off the rails.
Now we're showing them bloody aprons and things, and I've
got a bag when.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
I'm practicing with the sheet and I.

Speaker 5 (39:02):
Come to the floor, like some of my finest work
with that, I'm telling you, I come out and then
it's and this is where Jonathan Gilbert is on from.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
He added a line in one of these scenes. I
gotta watch again see which it was.

Speaker 5 (39:13):
But you know how like Jonathan, if he skipped a line,
it was brilliant. And Mary or to just go fine,
this is another one. He said something and Michael goes
cut print and Mary goes.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Wait, wait what he just said a thing that's not
in the script, and Michael write it in.

Speaker 5 (39:31):
Yeah, Jonathan's writing this scene at this point. He's just
saying stuff and they're writing it into the margins because
he's just in flames. And so he is now in
charge of this entire shit. We're just following him as
an actor. We're just following drop and now he've given
up and.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
He is tearing this up. The ads line it's so
and he was tiny. I had to work. That's why
I did the math. He was nine. I don't think
it was nine freaking years.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
Old and didn't read the script making stuff.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
And look at what he's doing this episode.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yeah, and that's why he was so good because he
was he was not he was so not a child actor.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
He's just not what I'm doing Asia, But he knew stuff,
like he added dialogue, so like, wait, where is he getting?

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Unbelievable? So yeah, this is just so much. So then
I get to our sheet.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
Yeah, and then we have to get into the cellar
and it's just I mean, and then I come out like,
oh my god, I get to go in a sheet.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
I was so happy. Kathy McGregory missus Nelson who turns right.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
So they so they get scared and then they Carl,
wait this is the best part. Carl and Laura run
upstairs and they shut the door and pretty much lock
it behind them, So Nellie and Jonathan are now locked into.

Speaker 5 (41:02):
They close to it and put a trunk contact.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
We're now trapped in the cellar and.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Carl is like, there's down there, and Laura's like, screw it, right,
I don't I don't care, and then had joke.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
Out straight Vaudeville, Uh holding my hand joke.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Carl Laura in the storage room. Hold my hand, I
am holding your hand.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Right, And it's really the man it came with the
body part.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Yeah, that's that's the Costello stuff.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yes, it's totally having Sell and Frankenstein.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
Didn't they do the.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Okay, what the.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Heck is revenge? Then they must have revenge?

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Yeah, no, no, go on, and then I'll say it no,
go ahead. Well, I was going to say, this whole
episode reminds me of real life story that happened to
me in sixth grade. I think it was. I was
at a friend's house. We decided to play this is
so mean. We decided to play Ouiji first time at
the Wigi board, first time I had ever done it.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
It was a crazy and of.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Course the Ouiji board is totally speaking to me. It's
totally a dead girl from the nineteen forties. I am
flying freaked out. Sorry about the cursing, but that's how
terrified I was. I mean, and I remember I had
to walk home. I was terrified. It was traumatizing. It

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was like I was in full effect of like being
scared to death. And I told my mother all about
it when I came home, and I was like uh.
Fast forward to like an hour couple few hours later,
apparently the girl's mother had called to tell my mother
that yes, she had made the whole thing up and
it was just a big prank on me. And so

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but here's the kicker. My mother thought it was funny.
So when she is telling me, she was laughing about it,
and I remember being like, how dare you?

Speaker 4 (43:06):
This is the.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Meanest thing anyone has ever done to me, and you
are my mother and you are laughing about it. It
was awful. It was awful.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
It was awful.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
And even now if my mother, like I know, an adulthood,
my mom has mentioned it once at least once because
she laughed, and I remember being really up.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
It was so mean.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (43:33):
That thing the Oiji board, which they sold like next
to Monopoly in the stores, which is odd.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
And there's many people believe the Wichi boards are evil.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
Terrible, Okay, even if they're not, what are you show
that next to the Monopoly?

Speaker 4 (43:46):
It's weird?

Speaker 5 (43:47):
It's weird.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Children, Let's communicate with the dad.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Why there's a great video that has been circulating on
you know, Instagram and Facebook with social media for a
couple of years now and it just says my daughter
is hosting my daughter's sleepover party. They're playing Ouiji, and
it's just a video of this father turning off all
of the circuit breakers so that all of the lights

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in the house off, and you just hear from upstairs
scream like twenty girls screaming top of the lines.

Speaker 6 (44:23):
It's it's funny when you hear about it, if you're
the twenty girls in the cellar.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
And I was so easily freaked out as a kid.
I mean, I was so easily freaked out in anything, ghost, spirits, dead,
you know, related. It was horrible. Anyway, we.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Talked to our dead pets. It was all dead pets.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Oh well that's nice. At least it's weird.

Speaker 5 (44:50):
So we're stuck in the basement and they do the head.

Speaker 6 (44:55):
So that's when the just let's make sure we understand it.
At that point down the cellar, everyone understands. Laura and
Carl are finally understanding what has happened.

Speaker 5 (45:10):
Here, yes home, they almost knock her unconscious. There's all
sorts of caring on and crashing about.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
And then when they realized and mister like, what.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
You are, like, oh, those little sons of it, and
so like, that's it, and they get the dummy head.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
And well and mister and mister Olsen's fatal you know,
regret is that he actually entrusted his children to tell
Laura the truth about told him actually not murdering his wife.
Why he would trust them to do that, I don't know,
because particularly opposite.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
And then yes, another great moment where I scream is
had a beautiful.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Halloween was legit And I'll tell you why it was
probably legit because that mannequin head was absolutely terrifying?

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Was that that down mannequin head?

Speaker 3 (46:11):
I've ever like why it was terrifying that mannequin head?

Speaker 5 (46:16):
See, I love horror, and he was saying, hey, I
really like the horror of it.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
I love horror.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
I wanted to do horror, and so yes, so when
I got to be a scream queen, Yes, yes.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
It was a Well that's so on brand for you.
I mean, that's that's totally on brand for you.

Speaker 6 (46:32):
You know what's interesting about all this And we're going
to get to the end of the second, but you know,
Little House was shot so efficiently through the years, and
Bill Michael shot so efficiently. There were so many shots
in this that are sort of that unusual reaction shot
that you don't normally have to shoot. So but the time,
I can't imagine it took more than the normal seven days.

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But boy, you guys had to be really flying through that.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
This would was.

Speaker 5 (47:00):
It was an all day This wasn't like, oh, I'm
getting off, really, this is you are going to be
here until like the welfare worker comes to the stop
walk because it's nine hours.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Boys ago.

Speaker 5 (47:09):
It was an all day sucker every day it was.
It was a lot of work. It was one of
the most enjoyable, all day working episodes.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
I can imagine. It was one of those episodes we ago.

Speaker 5 (47:20):
This is why I'm glad I got this chop, freaking
rocks I got I'm wearing a sheet, I'm a ghost,
I'm going a scream, we got bloody all that.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
What could I want from?

Speaker 5 (47:31):
Like? And then of course yes they go home. Everybody's like,
it's all Halloween, it's all a joke. We're all cool.
And then the freaking headless horseman shows up. What the
what the hoop?

Speaker 4 (47:43):
Well, so, yeah, so Carl and Laurel run out of
they leave the place. They're laughing. They've gotten revenge and
then then you have.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
The moment actual headless horseman. Nice horse by the way,
big white horse, beautiful, and that's scary as all get.
I cannot imagine.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
Okay, Pamela, you watch it, did you actually like have
a complete mental breakdown and lose your mind at that point?

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Because I was crazy? Yes, it was crazy.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
That was terrifying, And no it was that was really good.

Speaker 6 (48:11):
Now I'm thinking I have a sense that from listening
that the voice of the Headless Horseman was in fact
Kent McCrae. Yes, and and and you know what's so
fun about this knowing some of Kent's story. When Kent
was in high school, he did he went to a
he went to a wonderful private school in Connecticut, and

(48:34):
he was involved in the theater as an actor, always
doing plays in the theater. They did a lot of melodrama,
and Kent was always the sniderly, whiplash.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
Twisting, the mustache guy.

Speaker 6 (48:46):
So and he was a big guy even then, but
but he played he did those guys because he was
just full on invested.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
And you can just hear that wonderful, big, sinister laugh
that he brought.

Speaker 5 (49:02):
It's not I think it's who's the guy in the horse.
Was it how Burton remembering Sibretory, that it was like
but it was a whole thing, that it was a
whole inside thing of who got to do the voice
and who got to There's a lot of inside stuff,
like I said, like the craziness. I got to check
the names on the tombstones. I'm sure they're all like
crew members or something. Yeah, Ruthy Foster on the stage,

(49:24):
the little girl in school, the tall, skinny girl in
the back when they were asking questions. That was Cindy Moore.
She'd been an extra extra, like no lines, and then
one episode, the one with the Reverend Gold and getting
to By, she was given a line and taffed heartleat
as they say, and made an actual actress and given
a part in lines and just one of the nicest

(49:47):
people you ever met. Her and her mom and they
were so nice and Annie Marian was really good friends
of their mom. And I said, when my Manny Marion died,
Cindy and her mom came to my aunt's funeral.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
I mean, these were just like really cool people.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
So whenever I see the tall girl with a little words,
I guess it's like such a nice, lovely episode.

Speaker 6 (50:05):
So all of this, all of this is about Michael
and his love of horror and fright, and I would
be really I would be great to explore in an episode,
maybe with one of Michael's children, why they understand where
where all this came from?

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Frank scaring people? Just oh my god.

Speaker 6 (50:30):
Yes, and his birthday. I think in honor of Michael,
I think we need to sing Happy birthday to Michael
right now.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
He would be eighty nine this year. Happy birthday, Yeah, birth.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
To you, dear my.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
Bird to tell me you cut this. You're gonna have
a hell of a time sinking this thing of that.

Speaker 6 (51:12):
There's a little more latency that we knew with Riverside singing.

Speaker 8 (51:17):
But anyway, Michael and Michael was just this is we
owe all of this as we owe everything in this
to Michael's sense of fun and his spirit and his goodness.

Speaker 6 (51:30):
Uh, this has been This is really one of those fun,
dark fun episode.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
This is a talid clean cleanser episode.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
And had too much plan.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
We've had too much racism.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
We've had to how many.

Speaker 5 (51:45):
Crying crying and the fires and the tarnados and it
didn't We had like four or five Halloween episodes because
Michael was obsessed.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
And that's where I made a fun and I found
a picture. Here's creepy.

Speaker 5 (51:56):
Go oh yeah, and Michael chose because he was on Banansa.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
It's a creepy guys. You know, Michael went, I know
who I'm gonna call myself. I know who we're going.
He's everything. Guy's great, he's every fie.

Speaker 6 (52:12):
That's fine, Pamela, I think we should say I think
we should I think we should say goodbye.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
We are gonna say goodbye.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Everybody.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Have a great holiday Halloween. Oh listen, Guys Live Podcast,
November twenty second, New York City, Saturday, November twenty second.
I've been saying Sunday. That's a mistake. It's Saturday.

Speaker 4 (52:33):
It's Saturday. Yes, it is Saturday, and it's fun fast. Yeah.
And are they good? I mean, I'm glad you're going,
and we're glad to hear that.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
In New York we have digital streaming, so you can
get a digital streaming ticket and the link is good
for up to thirty days after the actual event, so
if you can't see it during the show, you can
see it anytime thirty days after.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
And then oh.

Speaker 6 (52:56):
Then well, December twelfth, thirteenth, and fourteenth, the Little Hell,
the Predy cast Re Unit, Strathren Park.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
In Seami Valley.

Speaker 6 (53:03):
Really fun to announce that Todd Bridges Solomon Henry in
the Wisdom of Solomon has agreed to join us. Todd
is such an interesting, fun guy, and I think he's
going to really enjoy being with us at Strathren Park.
We're going to all enjoy having him there. So that's
a really fun thing. And there may yet be more

(53:25):
announcements of those who are joining us, but we just
can't say yet.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So it's fun.

Speaker 6 (53:33):
We're you know, as we come into the holiday season,
there are fun things in the Little House world that
we're we're all involved with. And of course Allison and I,
I don't know, if you can get to Rhode Island,
we're gonna be chocolate expo ourselves eating chocolate. Yeah yeah,
if it gets there, If it gets there, yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
All right, So let's let's say let's say let's say goodbye.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
Pamela, goodbye everyone. This is an episode where no one
is traumatized by the end of it, and I think
the ending credit theme song is worthy of being happy
for this one anyway. Thanks guys for joining us. We'll
be here next week. Join us on Little House fifty
podcast dot com or our socials Little House fifty Podcast.
It's time, Bob get the wig. Let's fly with jack

(54:24):
o' lanterns this time. And I'm fat, I'm manakin head.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
Yes,

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