MAGA Mind Podcast Episode 15 Medical Kidnapping and Tips to Stop It

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Brian Farrens one, or visit Magamine podcast dot com with
me today. My guest is Anne to share A. She's
a doctor of audiology and a certified SLP in Arizona.
She's been trying to share information about the hospital COVID
protocols since losing her mother in twenty twenty one. And
on this show we're going to be covering a little

(00:20):
bit about medical kidnapping and tips on how to avoid
that and stop it.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Say hello, Ann, Hi, Brian, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Thank you for joining. We're just gonna do the show
intro in just a second. Here. Hold on.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
If I'm being real, I spent my whole life escaping
the pills. If I'm being real, I think I was
happy yet when I couldn't pay the bills.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
If I being a rail I am.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
I'm searching for purpose. I feel wealthy, but wens I
time being reil.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
I don't know if it's worth it. All right, and
we're back again. This is Brian Farrence. You can follow
me on exit, Brian Farrens one or Brianfarance dot com.
This is the Magamine podcast. You can find this wherever
you get your podcast. Just search for MAGA mind all
one word in podcast as well as Rumble an X

(01:09):
and with me as Anne to Shaff. She's a doctor
of Audiology, certified SLP in Arizona, and today we're talking
about some of the hospital protocols since COVID. Unfortunately, her
mother was a victim of that and did pass away
in twenty twenty one. And before we start, we're going
to show some videos of you testifying at the Novelle

(01:31):
Coronavirus Southwest inter Government Committee. So that was a series
of hearings. But before we do that, do you want
to give just just a little bit of overview maybe
about yourself, you know, about you know, you can inject
some things about your mother and you know, just just

(01:52):
briefly because we'll go into detail, but just kind of
an overview.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Okay, all right, Well, my mom was My mom was
a great lady. We missed her a lot. She had
was mom to six. She had see now I'm going
to get my numbers mixed. Six six grandchildren, seven great grandchildren.
She was very much aware of things during COVID, following things.

(02:17):
She was reading our Fa Junior's book. She was wanting
to avoid a hospital stay. She was following the Zelenko
protocol with Biden and hazing Corsten all of that. Unfortunately,
she contracted COVID and she went while taking HCQ at
that time. It was the Delta variant, and we didn't

(02:38):
yet know at that time. They later decided that ivermectin
was better than HCQ, but we didn't know that at
the time unfortunately. And it was fall of twenty one
was when I believe the Biden administration started stopping ivermectin
at the border. So we had attempted. One of my
sisters had tried to order ivermectin and it never came

(03:00):
showed up. We were trying to get it. You know,
we got ended up getting some through other means, but
you know, she got a dosage before she ended up
in the hospital.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Let me just interject one point. I know exactly what
you're talking about, because during that time I ordered some
iver meactin from India and actually what happened is that
it was seized a couple of times. It came through
New York and it was seized by I don't know
you know which which organization it was, but it was
you know, basically there, you know, one of the government

(03:31):
agencies seized it and destroyed it because it was such
a such a deadly, deadly substance. Uh so I know
exactly what you're talking about. Sorry to keep keep going.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
It's okay, so dangerous right Anyway, My my sister brought
my mom to the hospital and she was told she
couldn't go back with my mom. And she had tried
to get my mom home health services first, but apparently
even home health services had requirements and her oxygen was

(04:01):
was too low for them to give her an IVY
because she was trying to get IV fluids for my mom,
so she took her into the hospital, thinking she'll get
some IV fluids, a little bit of oxygen, we'll get
her home. Hospital was Dignity Mercy Gilbert down in Gilbert.
They said we'll contact you as soon as she settled
in a room. They never did contact my sister. And

(04:23):
I don't know if you want me to start to
just kind of give a broad overview of what happened.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Well, let's before let's look at the videos before we
kind of get into that. But you know, thanks for
starting that off. So I will let me pull up
a couple of these videos. Here, Hold on, just one second,
and then you know, we as we go through them,
then we'll then we'll kind of naturally cover it. So
let me share my screen here. I'm going to show this.

(04:48):
There's a number of videos that are on this video
clips drive. Let's do this, and then I'm going to
start off with this is your first video of you
testifying during that no Coronavirus Southwest Inner Government Committee meeting.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
It's a mouthful, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, it is. Let me maximize. This's listening, Okay, just
do my.

Speaker 5 (05:11):
Favorites, state your name for the record.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
And to share a thank you. All right, I want
to start by thanking you for letting me be here
today to share my mother's story. I want to start
by sharing a little bit about my mom, Mary Jean
Genie de Grot. She was an independent, vibrant, eighty year
old woman who was a mother to six, grandmother to seven,

(05:33):
and great grandmother to six young children. I'll be discussing
the following in her story. Lack of informed consent, illegal DNRS,
denial of the right to try, gaslighting, poor communication that
impacted critical decision making, interference with medical power of attorney

(05:55):
and advocacy, isolation, potential discriminate lack of accommodation for disability,
starvation and dehydration, and difficulty exiting the hostel.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
All right, so let me stop sharing for a second.
So why don't you discuss just just the topics that
you mentioned in that first video, and then we'll go
to the second one if you want to add any
other detail, or we can just go to the second one.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Well, I think that that's that was a good just
kind of an intro of the things that I was
covering and hearing and kind of touching on the highlights
of the major issues that we faced while she was
in the hospital.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Okay, perfect, All right, let's go to the next the
next video, and there's just a couple of these. We'll
just kind of go in order. So you just let
me know if you have sorry, let me go back
if you have any additional comments that you want to add. Okay,
So this this is your second one. It's it's it's

(06:54):
titled d n R one intake. It's your second video, Okay.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
In the emergency room. Her intake paperwork was signed by
verbal agreement without the typically required witness to verify her intent.
This paperwork placed an unwonted DNR on our mother, and
it also stated she did not want her family notified
of her status as her medical power of attorney. I

(07:23):
was well aware of her wishes, and she would never
have agreed to either of these. The medical record indeed
shows she had provided the names and phone numbers of
three of her six children. This is not the action
of someone who wishes family to be unnotified. But I
will submit to you that it certainly looks convenient for

(07:44):
a hospital that does not want the interference of family,
as they provide less than substandard, in humane care and
showed it cautless.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Der So that was the second one.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
So that the DNR when we went in the hospital, Yes, yes, right,
So you want me to explain that just a little more, Okay.
When she went in, like I said, my sister was
supposed to be contacted and they never did contact her,
and she was signed in by what you would say,

(08:15):
verbal agreement to all of her consent forms as she
came in the hospital. It looks when you read the
fine print, it looks like they were on a telephone
with her, probably outside. It says it's something they were
because of COVID protocols, they weren't having her sign the paperwork,
and they were checking off things like that she wanted

(08:36):
a DNR, that she didn't want her family notified all
of all of that not true, you know, as her
daughter as an ugal power attorney all that. And while
somebody signed it for the hospital, there was no second witness,
And in a situation like that, you really, you really
should they need to have a witness because you know,
so my mom was really upset. I think she probably

(08:58):
found out through a pelliative care consul. I we really
don't know exactly how she found out. So see, she
went in the hospital on December fifth. By December seventh,
she was texting and calling saying, you guys know, I
have a DNR. I don't want this. So that's when
we got medical power of attorney paperwork delivered to the hospital.

(09:20):
They wouldn't acknowledge my rights as her medical power of attorney,
but they said that a doctor would talk to her,
and a doctor didn't did talk to her that day,
documented really clearly that she did not want to be DNR.
She didn't want to be intubated either. That was the
first thing we said, no rim deservera no intubation because
that's what we knew about at the time. We knew

(09:41):
those were things that were not seeming to have good
outcomes for people. So that was that's the first DNR.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Okay, all right, good, and let's let's let me show
this second video then. And I mean, I probably our
viewers do know, but that do not resuscitate is the DNR.
I don't know, sorry if that's okay, So most people
would know that, but I just want to yeah, case,
So the third video, it's talking about the second DNR.
So let me play that for our viewers.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
A doctor did visit with our mom and clearly documented
that she did not want a DNR. She wanted all
life saving measures with the one exception of intubation for
a ventilator. On day eight, five days later, my mother
called me frantic. She said there was another DNR. The

(10:35):
record shows that a doctor did indeed in state a DNR. Again,
no one informed us of this DNR for the remainder
of my mother's stay. Had we known, we would have
gotten her out of that hospital sooner.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
All right, So let me minimize this here we go,
all right, So that second DNR, why do you think
the doctor and the medical staff was putting this DNR
on her when you know, clearly do the documentation, they
should have seen that it wasn't wanted. She wanted all

(11:10):
life saving measures. Why would they do that?

Speaker 2 (11:16):
It's a great question. They really they really shouldn't have
done it. If if you're wanting to look at why
on any ethical standpoint, they had the names and phone
numbers of three of her kids. At that point, she
had already said that she didn't want it. I had
said that she didn't want it. She was improving, We
were getting conflicting reports that she was improving, and then

(11:38):
all of a sudden, on that particular day, things seemed
to take a turn for the worse. But why I
think they did it. I can't answer why they did it.
I do know that when you go out and you read,
start reading other people's stories and other people's experience, this

(11:59):
just didn't have and to my mom, this happened to
numerous other people. And when you start putting pieces together,
it's a pattern, and you see a very clear pattern,
even down to where patients think they're going to come home,
and then all of a sudden, within twenty four hours,
there made DNR and things are taking a turn for
the worse. In many cases are put on a ventilator

(12:20):
and they didn't come home unfortunately. I do know that
there were COVID incentives paid to hospitals. They were paid
for each COVID and patient admitted. They were paid for
each COVID test run. They were paid if a ventilator
was used. They had an increased payment if someone died
in the hospital.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
So let me pause you for a moment because I'm
going to share this graphic, okay, which this is a
graphic and again you may not be able to see it,
but it shows the procedures and then the hospital payment.
So what it says is just admitting a COVID patient,
the hospital would receive thirteen thousand dollars. Administering REMDI severe,

(13:04):
the hospital will receive thirty two hundred dollars remdisevere. For
Medicare patient thirteen thousand dollars, put on a ventilator thirty
nine thousand dollars, and then extended hospital stay due to
inflicted complications. It just has, you know, dollar signs because
we don't even know it could be I'm guessing in
the hundreds of thousands. So talk a little bit about that.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
I mean, it seems like, well, it seems like I'm sorry, Brian,
there was a financial incentive to not have people heal,
is what it looks like to me. So to me
and to my family, why that was put on there
callous disregard for her wishes she was not vaccinated. There
was a bias is evident in the chart. It was

(13:49):
mentioned over and over about not being vaccinated, and that's
something that pops up in stories when you start looking.
That's another pattern that's seen. There was very much a
kind of a drive to like demonize people who didn't
get the vacs. You know, most of the healthcare workers
who were there at that point, it had to get
it right. And so knowing some people work who worked

(14:10):
in healthcare, I knew. I had heard stories that there
was some discrimination going on there, and it's not pretty
some of the things that I heard. The hospital stood
to gain basically to make more money if she didn't leave,
and we had already declined ventilation as well. It doesn't
show on this chart, but I've seen other charts that

(14:31):
show that they did get an increased payment for anyone
who died of COVID in the hospital. So you know,
I can't think of a good reason why they did it.
There's no reason why they should have done it. There
was an article by stat News January twenty two. I

(14:52):
think I don't have the exact date in front of me.
I apologize, but they listed the hospital major hospital groups
in the country, and they had them listed in the
order of the most Cares Act money received, and Dignity.
Dignity Health Group at that point in time, according to
this article, was the number five recipient of COVID relief funds.

(15:18):
You know, so, I think there's a lot, there's a
lot of suspect reasons why they may have done that.
I'm not I don't know why. But what I do
know is that the typical procedure with the DNR, the
patient's wishes are supposed to come first. The medical power
of attorney, if they're present, is a second person. If
the medical power of attorney doesn't exist or isn't there,

(15:40):
another family member is supposed to be sought out. And
these are all somewhat addressed in a number of various
Arizona statutes. If you if anybody is really interested, there's
a bunch of numbers, and I hate the long numbers.
But there's Arizona thirty six. Thirty two thirty one talks
about surrogate decision makers. If a doctor cannot contact a

(16:05):
family member or a surrogate, they after making reasonable attempts,
they're supposed to go to an institutional ethics committee before
making such a decision about life or death. Typically they
would have family involved. They'd even have a priest involved
or a minister, depending on somebody's religious background. None of
that happened. And there's you know, if we go through

(16:27):
the Arizona thirty six, there's thirty two oh nine, thirty
two twenty three, thirty two oh one, thirty two oh three,
thirty two oh four. All of these talk about the
rights of an Arizona to have a surrogate advocate for
them and what that person's allowed to do and what
the doctor's allowed to do. And it also talks about
healthcare directives. And one of the things that we saw

(16:51):
during COVID, and we saw this in my mother's chart,
was thank you. One of the things that I apologize
I was, I'm going to back just a quick second.
I was in the stat news article that I was
referring to. It's at statnews dot com it's a nine

(17:14):
twenty one date is when the article was and we've
got New York being two hospitals in New York being
the largest recipients of Cares Act money, followed by Stanford
Montefiori Medical Center, and then Dignity Health is number five.
So that's that article that I was talking to. Anyway,

(17:35):
So as far as that that DNR, they really you know, again,
I think because they were protected under the Cares Act
and the PREP Act. There was a lot that was
done during COVID that wasn't typically how things would would move.

(17:55):
And most people are concerned and worried about having a
healthcare directive that tells somebody. If you remember years ago
that Terry Shivo case, people want to know that if
they're in a situation where they're very near to death
and they don't want to be sustained on life support,
that their family can say no, or that they can
say no, we don't want this. What COVID showed us

(18:17):
is that having that when you read through the chart,
there's a lot of mentions of life potentially life ending
disease and complication, and so you know you're somewhat leaving
it up to a doctor to decide at that point
whether or not, you know they want to intubate you,

(18:39):
what they think. And so what this has changed for
me is, you know, unless you are someone who who
knows that you're very near death and you know you
do not want to go through CPR, you do not
want to be kept alive on a feeding to I
personally think it's dangerous now to have an advanced care directive.
I look at them very differently. They're in the state,

(19:00):
there's a state registry. Doctors are able to look that up.
And unfortunately there's just that potential, as you can see here,
to bypass what the patient wants, to bypass what the
family wants to think that the doctor maybe understands what
you mean when those advanced directors are very broad in general,
and what a patient may think it means to be

(19:20):
at the end of life and not wanting to have
artificial means or CPR or resuscitation could be very different
than what a doctor might think. But I try, Brian
not to really explain. I can't be inside their mind
to explain why they did what they did, but I
will say it was wrong. It was very upsetting to

(19:41):
my mom. Very upsetting for our family. And the really
upsetting thing about that second DNR is that this doctor
I had never seen my mom before, and in her
charting she noted that she had read and knew that
my mom wanted to be full resuscitation, just didn't want
to be intubated, and yet she went in and made

(20:03):
that change with no consultation, no attempt to call anyone,
even though names and phone numbers were there in the record.
My mom had called me that evening, very upset and
she said, you know, I think there's another DNR, and
I could hear a nurse in her room and I said,
could you please put the nurse on the phone. Unfortunately,
that nurse lied to me and she said that my

(20:24):
mom had overheard her talking about another patient and that
there was no DNR. And so our family was under
the assumption for the next five days that the DNR
had still been removed and that there was no DNR.
So we did not even find out that that DNR
actually existed until we were able to get my mom's records.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
So this one is the dehydration. This is the dehydration video.
So let me just show this and then I think
they're usually about like a minute minute video or so,
and then I'll come back to you.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
She called and texted us daily that she was hungry
and thirsty. Despite our efforts and assurances from staff that
she would be fed, one nurse would agree to feed
her and the next would not. Our requests for a
temporary feeding tube and if fluids were denied, and they
also went undocumented until one note on day nine. The

(21:25):
medical record shows the true horror of what she endured.
She was given only thirteen and a half cups of
water over eleven days. She had no food until five
percent of dinner on day four. She had twenty five
to seventy five percent of breakfast in lunch on days
five through seven. On day eight she texted me just

(21:49):
some ice chips would be nice. On days eight through eleven,
she had no food again, with the exception of ten
percent of breakfast.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
All right, So sharing this, so that is just crazy
that basically your mother was denied all food, all water.
You know, my father during COVID was in the hospital
as well, and basically the same thing happened to him.
Now he was able, by some miracle to survive. But

(22:19):
he told me the exact same story that he was
denied food, denied water. Basically seemed like they were trying
to murder him.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
That's what it looks like, doesn't it. Yeah, that's what
we believe.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Okay, let me go to this next video, which talks
about exiting the hospital. So let me let me share this.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
She was not released for almost twenty one hours, and
no one told us that they were once again starving
and dehydrating our mother. She was dehydrated and significantly weakened
and being refused an ice tip by a nurse who said, simply,
as she smiled and shrugged, it's the protocol. It's the

(23:09):
protocol when they're going home. She denied a dying a
woman and her children's request for the most basic of
comfort care, a single ice tip or a sip of water.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
I was just talking about as she was leaving the hospital,
she was still being denied you know, ice chips, no food.
So can you talk about that? How did how did
that kind of contribute to her decline.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
We were in the day the day before, trying to
finalize and the amount of bureaucratic red tape to get
somebody out of the hospital. We're thankful that she got
out but it was really difficult. When we left, our
thought was we're going to see her tomorrow. We're going
to be bringing her home. People can rally, you know,

(24:07):
she'll finally be able to eat. You have, you know,
to be getting fluids, because we have been fighting that
for ten days at that point. So we left thinking, Okay,
palliative care, comfort care. Now they can stop with all
this ridiculous stuff and letter let her eat and and
let her drink.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
Well.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
We came back the next day, four of us. I
was with three of my siblings because they had they
had told us that she might die if we took
her home, that if we took the breathing, the oxygen off,
just taking the oxygen mask off to put her in
the ambulance, she might die. That's what we've been told.
When we showed up, there was a an NPO sign

(24:49):
on the door, which means no food by mouth. So
we were very shocked. We came in the room, she
looked significantly weakened her Her urine catch was it so hard,
It was so horrible. First thing my brother did was
take a picture of it because it just you know,
it was obvious how dehydrated she was. She had a

(25:11):
mask on, and those masks blow air. It's very drying,
very uncomfortable, and she was asking for an ice chip
or a sip of water, and there was the nurse
in the room was very callous, just kept saying, you know, nope,
you know, you can't have one. And so of course
four of us, you know, four children, they're saying, give

(25:33):
her an ice chip, give her some water. She had
the mask on every you know, it wasn't an easy
thing to take it off. We weren't quite sure how
to get it off, and we were just so focused
on getting her out of that place. One of my
sisters took the nurse out in the hall and said, what,
you know, what are you doing. Why in the world
are you denying her an ice chip? And all that

(25:55):
she would do is shrug her shoulders and just say, oh,
it's the protocol. It's a protocol when they're going home.
It was horrible, I mean, it just was.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
It is hard to put in words, the callousness, the disregard,
and it goes against any kind of traditional idea of
comfort care or palliative care. If somebody is going home
and they're going home on hospice, if there's you know,
even if they've been trying to be they've been withholding

(26:27):
I won't say, even if they're trying to be careful,
they were withholding food and water from her. She had
thirteen and a half cups of water in eleven days.
You can't survive on that, let alone, heel. She had
gone there dehydrated and it just you know, no food,
no water, nothing to support getting better, isolated. It was
horrific trying to get her.

Speaker 5 (26:48):
Out of there.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
When the ambulance finally, when the transport came finally, that
same nurse even slowed down her exit out of the
room too, and God in my mom's face and was
trying to tell her it was such an honor to
take care of her. And you know, it was all
that we, the four of us could do to just
you know, stand stand back and let the let them

(27:13):
get her out of there. So we're very thankful we
got her home. But it wasn't an easy It wasn't
an easy thing, and it was very very very disheart
you know, I say disheartening, but you know, there's a
lot it was disgusting. The treatment was horrible. I you know,

(27:33):
you wouldn't wish that on your on your worst enemy,
let alone your mom, and I'm thankful that your father
made it home too.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
And I'm thinking it was a miracle that he did.
Let me show now another clip, and this is at
the same UH Committee hearing, but it's from from a
couple of different doctors. So this first one is I
believe doctor Pierre Corey. Okay, so let me show this

(28:02):
one first. Let me share my screen first. Actually, all right,
so I'm gonna play this video. H m hm, all right.

(28:49):
So he's talking about the protocols there, and one of
the things he says that these protocols rob us of
our humanity, you know, preventing us from being at the bedside.
You know, obviously, you know you agree with that. If
you have any other comments on that video, he has
a second, a second video that I'll show.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, no, I agree with him. I could show the
show the second one.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Show the second one. So this is again doctor Pierre Corey.
This is the second part I think of his of
his testimony. So let me show this video here.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
I think I'm not alone with patients with post you know,
family members with post COVID trauma. I mean, there's nothing
more traumatizing than seeing people failure loved one when you
know what the right thing was to do and you
try to you try to have a voice and an
advocacy and a guidance in protection for someone who's protected.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
You your whole life, and you can't do it because
he's fucking rules and these protocols that that that just
rob us of humanity in a voice and an impact
to help our loved ones.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Sorry, I went all right, and there he's talking about
the Uh, you know, he would never ever put in
a d n R. It was always a conversation with
with you know, the families and the patient. Uh. It
really just looks like it was a financial incentive. They
wanted that DNR in there because there was a financial
incentive and they and they didn't care. And there they

(30:23):
knew they had, you know, immunity, I guess because of
what was going on, and they didn't care. Now there's
another video clip here. Uh, this one is from doctor
Peter McCullough. So I'm gonna show this one as well.
I'm a big fan of doctor mccallaugh's. All right, let

(30:46):
me show this. Sorry, just loading one second.

Speaker 6 (30:55):
Someone being at the bedside and saying, here, take another sip,
Take another sip. That can be the difference between survival
and recovery and death.

Speaker 5 (31:05):
And everybody, shake your hand.

Speaker 6 (31:07):
You know exactly what I'm talking about. And a major
advantage of having a family member at the bedside is
exactly that. So if this ever happens again, never again,
should we prohibit family from being in the bedside?

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Exactly, ever, exactly ever ever ever. All right, And one
of the things that he mentions is, you know, if
this ever happens again, never again, should we prohibit the
family members from being at the bedside.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah. Absolutely, yeah, it's essential.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Well, I mean, it's just crazy to think that, you know,
this happened to so many people, so many families. So
let's talk a little bit about, you know, how can
people avoid this situation, how can they get it to stop.
I think one of the things that you wanted me
to show was this caregivers consent form. So let me

(32:04):
show that real quick. Okay, So this I have it
up on the screen. Again. You may not be able
to see it, but it's a caregivers and consent and
it says, I the undersigned advise all physicians, nurses and
other caregivers that this caregivers and Consent document reflects my
current wishes for my care and are carefully planned and

(32:27):
intentional wishes. And it has like a checklist, and it
basically says, I do not consent to the use of
medications without my being informed. I do not consent to
receiving any vaccine or booster for COVID nineteen. I do
not consent to receiving flu vaccine, pneumonococcle vaccine, any vaccination

(32:49):
for any purpose. Do not consent to remnis severe or
there's some other medicines there, do not convent, basically, do
not consent, do not consent to all these other things
that they were pushing so highly. And then there's a
second page. It says, I request and consent to the
implementation of alternative treatments, requests and consent of the use

(33:12):
of all life saving measures such as CPR and resuscitation.
And then there's options for you know, blood transfusions, there's
options for processed food different and then also a free
form area which I do not consent to the following

(33:33):
signature acknowledgement notary public. So talk a little bit about
that form and what the importance is.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah, let me back up real quick and tell you
how I found that form real quick, and then talk
about the importance of it. It took us eight months
to get the records from the hospital. We kept getting
partial records.

Speaker 5 (33:51):
We started out.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
With about eighty pages, then two hundred, and then I
think we had eight sixty something now. But when I
got them and I started through, and I realized just
how horrific it was. When I found out there were
thirteen and a half cups of water, when I found
out there was another DNR, it was a bit overwhelming,
and you know, I went to bed, you know, praying

(34:13):
one night basically, you know, Lord, what do I do
with all this?

Speaker 5 (34:16):
What am I?

Speaker 2 (34:16):
What am I supposed to do with this? This is horrific.
And as it turned out, the next morning, I heard
of Greta Crawford and Protocol kills for the first time
looked into it. She was a woman who survived the
protocols she was given. Remdazevir thought she was going to die,
miraculously made it through. And she says at one point

(34:38):
she gave everything to God and said, you know, if
you get me out of here, and I'm going to
do you know, I'm going to live for you. I'm
going to do your will well. She started with a
website that allows people to share their story, and that's
protocol kills dot com. So if people want to read
the stories and see the patterns, that's there. It's also

(34:59):
there at our Grace dot net is another site she
as things materialized for her, she started out with kind
of a grief group really because those of us who
had lost our family members with this COVID protocol, we
had a very unusual grief journey, I would say, given

(35:22):
societally what was going on. And you know, as somebody
said during one of the early meetings, you know, I said,
grieving is different. This is just so different than any
other loss that I've had. And somebody say, yes, it's
different when somebody's murdered, and there's a lot of truth
to that. But Greta began working with a woman named

(35:45):
Laura Bartlett. Her brother is a doctor. He was doing
early alternative treatments for COVID and they were doing hospital
hostage rescues, helping to get people out of the hospital,
and so that kind of became their focus. In the
process of that focus, they had a hospital insider somebody
who worked in a hospital, sit down with them and

(36:07):
tell them, you know, hey, if you're a Jehovah witness,
your wishes are honored at a hospital. Our wishes during
COVID weren't honored. How do we get around the cares
and the prep BacT. How do we get between the
doctor and the hospital administrator because the hospital administrators are
making money, the doctors are. You know, they're both kind
of blaming each other when they both When the doctors

(36:28):
blame the administration, the administration blames the doctor. You know,
it's the patient who suffers in the middle. So, with
the help of this insider who I don't know who
it is, they formulated what they called caregivers consent, and
they modeled it after the Jehovah witness forms. And so
the form that you're reading through, if these are your wishes,

(36:50):
if you don't consent to something, you initial it. If
you do consent to it, you just leave it blank.
And it doesn't even have to be this particular form
of theirs. You could take this and you could put
whatever your wishes are. But what it is is it saying,
you know, hey, I'm a sovereign individual with God given rights.
These are things I do consent to, things that I

(37:10):
don't consent to, and this will be in my chart.
And if you do things that I do not consent to,
then that's battery. And so it's trying to step outside.
I think, you know, if the PREP and the CARES
act and say, hey, the person missing in the component
was the patient during COVID and to try to protect
yourself from some of these things like medical power of

(37:34):
attorneys not getting into records, wishes not being honored. The
key thing with this form is you look at it
and you look at what you agree to. If you
want a flu shot, don't check off that you don't
want a flu shot. You know, these are things that
are happening, things that people are reporting. So you initially
yourself go get it notified. And if you're going into

(37:59):
the hospit'll you want to give it to your dot,
you want to give it intake, you want to give
it to them. The other thing that you want to
do is have somebody else aware. You know, if you
have a friend, you have your husband, a wife, whoever,
and you say, okay, I need this currier to the hospital.
And that's that's a key aspect of it. So this

(38:20):
isn't like it's not an easy, just quick fix. You
have to do a little work, but it's well worth
it because if this is career to the hospital, the
hospital regulations, you send it to the CEO. I would
not recommend putting a specific name because sometimes we found
that the names on the website aren't always accurate and
that creates delays and problems. But if you say, you know,
I want this to go to the CEO of Mayo

(38:41):
or Banner or Idny Mercy or wherever, if it comes
in through courier and it's addressed to the CEO, it
goes to the CEO and they automatically are required to
put in the chart. So if you've handed this to
a nurse or a doctor and they say, well, you know,
I don't want this, I'm not going to put it
in the chart, you can just kindly say, well, I

(39:03):
need you to know that that this is being couriered
over to the administration and it will be in my
chart and so I expect it to be honored. So
it's just a very nice clear way to make sure
that your wishes are actually documented in the chart, and
it is beneficial for your medical power of attorney or
a surrogate to have a copy of that. They should
have a copy, Greta and Laura, I recommend having copies

(39:28):
in your car. There were stories even in Arizona during
COVID of one particular gentleman up north. I think maybe
Prescott or Flagstaff was in a car accident, got knocked
out by the paramedics and woke up intubated, pulled, pulled
the pulled the pulled everything out of his mouth, pulled

(39:49):
the tubes out, went out to the nurses desk and
said what in the world And they said, well, you
have COVID. No, no, no, and he took his stuff
and he left. You know, so you want to have this,
you know, you in your car. I've had people suggest
that they take pictures in their phone, and there's places
to put medical emergency information for yourself in your phone.

(40:13):
So so that's that's one thing that we can do.
And you know, I hate to say it, but it's
almost kind of letting them know you're not going to
be an easy target. They're they're still doing the protocols.
There's still stories coming out of people getting m DE severe.
There's there's still you know, d n R is being

(40:35):
placed on people. That was happening before COVID. I don't
think a lot of people are are just really unfortunately
aware of it. A lot of people went through and
we're thankfully got out of the hospital. You know, people
who got out of the hospital may or may not
even know what was done to them when they were there.
You know, like the woman who made the forums, Creta Crawford,

(40:57):
who has the Protocol Kill site, she didn't realize that
she'd been given five doses of from desavir until she
got out and read the You know, she wasn't given
informed at the time. So that's kind of the key.
The key with these caregivers that can set forms and
there's there's some nice videos that explain it on her website.

(41:19):
It looks daunting at first, but it really isn't when
you walk through it. It's it's pretty pretty simple. And
like I said, it's really modeled after the Jehovah witness paperwork,
which hospitals have been dealing with for years. You know,
they're well well aware of that and they honor that.
I don't believe that that changed during COVID. I don't
know for sure, but that's what I've heard. The other

(41:39):
thing that I would say cautionary thing if if you
are a loved one going to the hospital, we're typically
now handed an iPad and we're said, you know, sign
yourself in and if you say, well, what am I signing,
they're oh, it's just our intake paperwork, No bigdale, just
sign it right, well, ask ask for it to be printed.
I know for myself, I will no longer sign anything

(42:02):
that I can't read. And in asking to have those,
you know, I can tell you a personal experience asking
to have them printed out. I was told by the
young gall at the desk, we can't do that. You
just have to sign it. And I said, oh, yes
you can, and you know, if you need to go ahead,
go ask your manager. And of course someone else came
out and said, oh yeah, we can print them for
you and then we will.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
Do it the old fashioned way.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Well, when you look at those, Brian, if you just
sign it, you're signing to things potentially that you could
have a student treat you which you might or might
not be okay with. You're signing that you're okay that
they're videotaping the procedure or parts of your body, and
that they can use that for training. You might not
want that you're signing that they can contact donor organizations.

(42:51):
If you're not an organ donor and you want your
family to be in charge of those decisions, you don't
want to sign that the hospital can be in charge
of doing that. Right, those are the top three I
can think of right now. I know that there's others.
There's quite a few, but you have the right to
look at that. You do not have to consent to
everything on there to get treatment. You have the right

(43:14):
to look at it and cross out what you don't
consent to and initial it. And you know, I think
in most cases people might be a little surprised, but
you know, you can just go in kind and firm
and say, well, these are my wishes, and you know,
assert your rights. There's there's no reason why our rights
should have been tossed in the garbage can the second

(43:35):
we walked in a hospital door.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Right, that makes sense. And I did show the website
a little bit while you were talking. I'll post the
protocol protocol kills link as well. But I do want
to also talk about so I guess there was a
complaint process that you filed, and there was several boards.
There was a nursing board and an osteopathy board and
a medical board. Would you talk a little bit about that.
I'll post those those links as well.

Speaker 5 (44:00):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
The first thing that we did, like I said, I
found out about Greta's website and I was like, okay,
I got a Postmom's story, so, you know, posted the story.
Started hearing about all the patterns, how many there were,
started you know, listening. Uh. There were several several meetings,
early meetings about how to deal with this, where people
were talking about the protections of the PREP and the

(44:21):
Cares Act. And we had tried to call a couple
of lawyers. Lawyers at that time early twenty two wouldn't
even return phone calls because I think they were aware
there wasn't much that they could do with a PREP
in the Cares Act. So first thing that I did
was try to call Karen Fan's office to find out
what are the Arizona statutes about DNR. Her office at

(44:44):
the time told me that was a legal issue and
wouldn't direct me to any of the statutes. I ended
up killing contacting Kelly Townsend's office. They were kind enough
to direct me to the Arizona Statutes that I referenced earlier,
just so I could start trying to understand, because my
first thought was, how can.

Speaker 5 (45:02):
This be legal?

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Like, and it really isn't it, you know, shouldn't be.
But apparently our protections during COVID just went out the window.
So one of the places it was suggested to complain,
or the first place where I decided to file a
complaint was the Office of Civil Rights because I thought,
this is surely outside of COVID issues. My mom had

(45:25):
a hearing loss. They didn't document that. When I told them,
they didn't provide alternative communication methods. You know, there was
potential agism. There was all kinds of references to her
not being back and having the COVID JAB and stuff,
and as I said, it took me eight months to
get the records. So by the time that I complained

(45:47):
to the Office of Civil Rights, they said, we can't
investigate this because it's one hundred and eighty days outside
of our window and we just don't look at things
unless there's a compelling reason why it took you so
long to get it to us. So I said, well,
I couldn't get the records. But apparently that wasn't compelling enough,
and so, you know, just as an aside, just the

(46:09):
frustration of trying to get help. I did reach out
to David Schweikert's office, and I reached out to Andy
Biggs's office. My mother lived in Andy Biggs District, and
I was trying to ask for some help with them,
to get in touch with the Office of Civil Rights
and HHS because the number that they gave me to

(46:30):
call if I had any questions about that complaint, there
were about eight or nine extensions. None of them would
take a message except for the extension if you had
a transwrite issue, and I did leave it. I finally
left a message on that extension and never heard back. Unfortunately,
I didn't get any help. I didn't get any follow
up from either of those offices. The next place that

(46:54):
I filed was that the Joint Commission dot org. And
there is a doctor in Tucsa on doctor leave Leet.
She has a site called Truthfohealth dot org and she
was requesting people file what's called a sentinel report event
for a hospital. So if there's something that happened in
a hospital that caused injury or caused death. This is

(47:15):
a commission that's supposed to be overlooking the safety of
our hospitals. So I did file that complaint. They don't
get back to you, though. You just have to file
and hope that enough people are filing that that something,
you know, at least calls it to their attention that
people are watching. Then I filed complaints to the nursing board.

(47:36):
There's three three boards in Arizona. So if you have
something happened like this and you want to file complaints,
there's the nursing board, There's the Osteopathy board for doctors
of osteopathy, and then there's a medical board.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Okay, I did.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
We filed complaints for four nurses. Two of the complaints
got dismissed. Two of the nurse has got what's called
a letter of concern. So you know, basically, at least
you know, we're told that, hey, you know, some of
this is not appropriate, or look at it. It stays
on their record, doesn't don't really do anything, but you know,

(48:14):
our hope, our hope is that they change, that they
realized what they were doing was wrong, you know, and
that they they come back to honoring the patient and
their family. And to humane care, and and so, you know,
in trying to file the complaintsness just to increase awareness
and hoping that, you know, the next patient that comes through,

(48:36):
maybe maybe they actually feed them or give them an
ice chip or you know, show some compassion. The Osteopathy Board,
excuse me. I filed that complaint in December of twenty three.
I have yet to hear back anything one way or
the other our Arizona Medical Board. I filed against three

(49:01):
doctors in December of twenty three. One of them, I
thought from the records he looked like he was a
hospitalist overseeing everything. They just dismissed it outright, saying that
it was filed in error. The other two doctors that
we filed complaints against were the doctor who placed the

(49:21):
second d n R without consulting us, against our mom's wishes,
and then the one doctor who I spoke with during
her entire stay and who did not make it clear
to me, did not tell me that this other DNR
had been placed. In fact, we had a conversation and
I expressed to her again, you know my mom's wishes

(49:42):
that she receive chess compressions if necessary, but just didn't
want to be intubated, and you know the fact that
information was with help from us really interfered with our
timing and getting our mom out of the hospital, and
as you said earlier, pacted us getting her home because
she hadn't been fed or gotten any any water in

(50:04):
the twenty four hours since we saw her, and on
top of that, they had given her morphine and adavan
before the transfer, and so you know, our mom didn't
pass away for you know, another twenty forty thirty six
hours after that, but she wasn't able to enjoy food
and water. She wasn't able to We weren't able to
have really precious time with.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Her because of her drugs.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Because of those drugs, Yeah, and not knowing you know
that it wasn't communicated to her and she had no pain.
They were documenting there was no pain. You know, there
was no reason for them to do that. Again though,
it's another pattern that comes up when you're reading stories
and without wanting to get sidetracked, there's our amazing Grace
dot Nette Scott. Shara's daughter. Grace was murdered in a

(50:51):
very similar fashion with a DNR and she was given
i think presdex morphine several doses of medications really close
together that suppressed your breathing. And when they were yelling
at them to come do something, the doctors and nurses
were in the hallway just saying, oh, she has a
dana or we can't do anything. So that that's a
story that that's worth following up on. And he in

(51:12):
fact has a lawsuit in Wisconsin, so we'll see if
that can go anywhere.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Hopefully it showed the links on the bottom. I don't
know if you can see if I'm showing those in
the bottom of the video as well.

Speaker 5 (51:22):
So wonderful, wonderful.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
So So anyway, the two doctors that I filed that
we file complaints against those cases were dismissed in August.
I wanted to find out if we were able to
ask for a review of that dismissal and how to
do it. I had difficulty getting a response from the
Arizona Medical Board, so I reached out to the Arizona

(51:45):
on Budsman and they did. I believe they reached out
after I did, and then I got my questions answered.
So I found out how to file. I filed for
a review of the case for two reasons, well, aside
from disagreeing that they shouldn't have been dismissed, we filed

(52:07):
because we didn't.

Speaker 5 (52:08):
Feel there was due process.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
They did not contact any of the witnesses that I
had provided for them, which would be you know, my siblings,
my niece who had visited my mom. None of them
were contacted by the board before they dismissed. So they
did agree to review the dismissals, and I was told
I could come testify to hearing last October. So I

(52:33):
did come and I did testify, and one of the
major things that I spoke to you only have three minutes,
and part of that three minutes. It's like any It's
like testifying anywhere in our government. They give you three minutes,
and they spent thirty seconds of it telling you that
you have three minutes, and that your three this is
almost done. So anyway, but I did speak about the

(52:56):
horrificness of you know, is this a standard of care
in Arizona, putting dnrs on patients against their wishes, with
holding food and water against against wishes. They did dismiss
the cases again, and I'm not at all surprised. As
I sat listening waiting for my turn to speak. I
heard lawyer after lawyer defending doctors for the stress they

(53:18):
felt during COVID, explined drinking, explaining away poor decisions. It
was very disheartening to sit through that, and I I
know I had had mentioned to you. It just came
to our attention just recently that the board minutes for
that particular day's board minutes mentioned my testimony and doctor Bethancourt,

(53:44):
who's on the board, he falsely stated that there were
conversations between myself, a hospitalist and internist and hospice agreeing
to a DNR, and that, you know, besides being false,
end upsetting because the DNR was such an issue during
the time she was there. All I can think is

(54:08):
that something hit a chord with somebody that they would
feel a need to say that. But it shows us
that we really truly don't have due process with the
medical board because they either didn't understand the sequence of events,
or they didn't give enough credence to all the witness testimony,
or didn't you know, didn't didn't read everything through. I

(54:31):
did have to, as I told you, to get my
mom out of the hospital. They told us she might
die when we took the mask off. So the first
the first thing we were worried about is us get
her out of the building. The second thing was Hospice
told me if your mom codes, if she has a
problem in the ambulance, they won't be able to bring
her home. They're going to turn around and take her
back there. And I was like, we don't want that.

(54:53):
That is the last thing that she wants. That's the
last thing that we want. My sister was going to
be was in the ambulance with her right So I
was told I had to agree, I had to sign
a DNR, and I think it's fair to say it
was under duress and we were going to get her home.
You know, people do rally on hospice. Our idea of
hospice wasn't that we were bringing her home to die.

(55:14):
We had still been hopeful that we were going to
have some quality time with her, that potentially, you know,
she'd be able to get ivermectin, be able to eat.
You just don't know, you know, And it's very hard
to look back because we know so much more now
that we just didn't have knowledge of in that moment.
But I did call hospice and they said, well, we

(55:37):
don't share those forms with the hospital. That's just for
us and the ambulance driver. So I have no idea
where they came up with that.

Speaker 5 (55:48):
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
If it's just an outright false statement. I don't know
if there was a record that we didn't receive that
somebody falsely documented.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Is it possible that they wanted you to be on
records signing a dn R so that they could kind
of cover themselves and say, oh, look she did sign one.
See here, look at this.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
That's yeah, that's a great question. And that's the first
question that came to my mind. I thought, well, okay,
well maybe we touched.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
A button there for them.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
You know, they don't like to hear that. When they're
condoning what these doctors did, they're basically saying it's the
standard of care in Arizona that a doctor can override
a patient and their family wishes and their medical power
of attorney and choose on their own to decide who
should receive life sustaining care and who shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
And so, you know, at this point in time, I've
reached back out to the on Budsman's office again just
to ask for you know, is there any way that
we could at least get the false statement removed. Ideally
we'd have due process and a real hearing. I doubt
that that will come from our board, unfortunately. But again
I think as important as sad as it is, and
I don't mean to sound cynical, we need to understand

(56:55):
that all of these agencies that we thought were there
in place as a safe for us are really there
as a safeguard for the system. I believe you're there
to protect the doctors, to protect the system that they have.
And you know, if we have time, I'll give you
another example of the medical board.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Well before you do that, because you mentioned it a
couple times, but I just want to show the graphic
of where you can get a free patient advocate and
it has the phone number. Let me just show that
on the screen, just real quick. Sorry to interrupt you,
so okay, I'm showing that now. So it's a free
patient Advocate Hospital hostage hotline and you can call our

(57:36):
text eight eight eight C one nine three six three seven,
and it's Laura Bartlett, patient advocate, founder of HHH.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Yes, Yes, and you know she's she's the other part
of the current care and Consent and I will tell
you I've heard directly from her and from Greta. If
somebody calls and needs help, your advocate is much more
effective if you have put your wishes into the into
the hospital record.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Right.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
So that again, just because I think it's so valuable
and important for people to understand there's a there is
a way to advocate for ourselves.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
So and then, do you do you want me to
show also this the billboard image that you were mentioning before.

Speaker 5 (58:29):
Yeah, I would, I would love that.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Okay, let me let me go back and show this
on a seconds So okay, there, do.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
You want me to talk about it while you're putting
it up?

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Yes, go ahead and talk about it. I'm gonna I'm
going to share you. You may not be able to
see it, but sure.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
During COVID, there was a couple across the nation that
we're putting up billboards about various things. I contacted them
hoping they might get up a billboard about the hospital
protocols here in Arizona, and they told me that they
had been locked out of the Arizona market. They were
not able to come in here and put up information
on billboards. My siblings and I really wanted to do

(59:05):
something to honor our mom, and we wanted to we
wanted to help make people aware of what was going
on because it really didn't need to happen. And I
was able to reach out to a local billboard company,
Becker Boards, and they were willing to work with us,

(59:27):
and so my husband designed that billboard with my mother's
eyes and we were able to get that up on
a billboard for about three months. Off of the two
two down by, it was probably within three to five
miles of Dignity Mercy Gilbert. And again, our goal is
just to increase awareness. We were hoping, you know, even
if only one person saw that and went out to
Protocol Kills and said, oh, you're kidding, this is happening. Okay,

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I need to get my ducks in a roby. You know,
we need to stop blindly trusting the hospitals because they're
just they're a dangerous place to be right now. And
I'm gonna let me preface that too. There are, obviously,
there are wonderful doctors, There are wonderful nurses. There there
are people in the medical profession that have risked their

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livelihoods and reputations to come out and help people, you know,
and so there are so many good, good people, but
it doesn't change that there's also people that aren't doing
the right thing, and that these hospital protocols are still occurring,
and that I can I can safely say thousands. I
know there's people who say millions died in the hospital,

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and I think many many of them did not need to.
It was the protocols that actually killed them, not not COVID.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Of course it was entered as COVID as the cause
of death in the death certificate, but that was that
was false.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
Right, Yeah, absolutely, you know I would submit on my
mom's starvation and dehydration should be the cause or medical malfeasance.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
But yeah, that's the medical malfeasance really is what really
is what it is. But anyways, to take a few minutes,
cover any other topics that you want to cover as
well as you know, if you want anyone to be
able to reach out to you, if you want to
give like an email address or something like that, but
that's up to you and anything else you want to promote.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Okay, if anybody wants to reach out for some reason
or they have questions and an any text t X
at ProtonMail dot com. That's that's a bless place to
reach me. I wanted to just tell a quick little
story that some people may not be aware of. I
think you said you were Brian, But one of the

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first stories that we heard locally about hospital protocols came
from Elie Schultz. She lives, I believe, in Scottsdale, and
how's a background as a lawyer, and she started something
called hand Hands for Health and Freedom, I believe is
what it's called. And in the fall of twenty twenty one,

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she lost her mother in law at a Banner hospital
and she fought her father. She got her father in
law out of Mayo and nursed him back to health
at home, but in the process she was also escorted
out or kicked out of Mayo. And she she had
a recording or has a recording of the administration at

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Mayo with the administrators of other hospitals in the area.
So we're you know, we're talking Banner dignity on her health.

Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
And what they were.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Discussing was that they were all going to follow the
standard of care, and really what happened the standard of
care during COVID became I'm just going to say, I
believe more a standard of death standard. It was a
decreased standard from any typical care before. But the reason
for doing that is because it protects them when you

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get into accusing somebody of doing something wrong. The safety
net for a doctor is I followed the standard of care,
and the medical Board look at were they outside the
standard of care. So in that context, you can see
my mom's treatment unfortunately wasn't outside the standard of care
during COVID. That's what they were doing and they were
all doing it, and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
So the standard just for that time period.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Yeah, yeah, so they decreased the standard for that time period. Well,
Alie Schultz filed with the board, and I had listened
to her her speak at the board meeting about this
and the fact that the hospitals were really colluding with
each other to lower this standard of care, and the
Medical Board didn't do anything in that case either. Everything

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was dismissed. It just so again, I hope you know,
people can understand why why I feel really strongly about
the importance of our needing to learn how to advocate
for ourselves and our loved ones because we just don't
have those safety nets.

Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
We thought we did.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
An excellent, excellent point. And then are you in contact
with Aliz? Do you have her contact information at all?

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
You know, I reached out by email her or to
her organization right after my mom had passed, because they
were putting together kind of little cheap I'm going to
call it a teat sheet. That's not what it was,
but it was kind of if you have to go
into the hospital, here's some paperwork, here are some things
you need, and I wanted them. I had suggested that

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they also put in a communication board for patients, because
when you have those masks on and you have all
that air blowing out you, it's very difficult to communicate.
There's a lot of misunderstanding that can happen. You know,
with elderly people, a lot of them have some hearing loss.
My mom did. They had ignored all of that, you know.

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When I'll tell you a quick story. When I went
in to see her, first thing I did was ask
for a pencil and paper, and she was writing in
complete sentences. But the next day when we went back
together her that was out of reach. It was across
the room. It was covered in water, you know, So
I was trying to give them some ideas how to
advocate for communication rights, because the right to communicate is

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a pretty basic right and there are some very simple
things that they could do to help. But anyway, long
story short, I do not have her number, and I
was trying to find it Brian, and I just I
was not having any luck looking up her phone number
because I would love to talk with her. I really
do think there's a need to gather people in Arizona

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together to try and get some change this novel. Coronavirus hearings,
they were good, they got some information out. Like I
told you, the news coverage was horrific. Every doctor was
a quack. And you know, there was one sentence about
my testimony that I said, my mom got subpart care.
I don't know about you, but I think it was

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a little worse than subpart.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Here, I'd say, that's an out of context, out of
context quote. And it looks like my camera's back by
the way, I don't know if you can. I don't
know why. I'm going to have to update the drivers
on this thing. But but no, I mean I I
do really really appreciate you coming on the show. I
did share at the bottom of the screen a number
of the links that you had provided. But what I

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want to do is with the recording of the video,
I want to put a number of this a lot
of this information here, a lot of the links and
resources so that people, especially that the consent form that
you provided, I want people to have access to that
to know how they can get resources, how they can

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you know, avoid this unfortunate situation. You know, they don't
want it to happen to their family, and you know,
it almost happened to my family. So it's something that
you know I need and my family needs as well.
And I would suspect, you know, all our viewers and
really everyone in Arizona should have and should be aware
of and even the references to the Arizona Statutes, because

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a lot of times what happens is people will misquote
or give you part of a statute and they'll you know,
try to tell you that they're they're working within the law,
and it's just a lie. They're not. They're not really
telling you all the information. So thank you so much
for coming on the show. I really appreciate it. Uh

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And and to Shiah, and then this will be posted
and I'll make sure to send you the recording as well.
But again my name is Brian Farrence with Magnamind podcast.
You can follow men X at Brian Farrence one or
Brian Farence dot com, Magamine podcast dot com. And thank
you and so much for sharing this and God bless
you and your family.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
God bless you too.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Thanks so much, thank you, Bye bye bye bye