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Welcome to the MAGAMind Podcast, where we cut through the bullsh*t and deliver hard-hitting MAGA political commentary and news analysis from a truth perspective. Hosted by Brian Ference and James Richard, this show is your go-to source for unapologetic takes on the issues that matter—America First policies, conservative values, and exposing the radical left’s nonsense. We’re not here to coddle snowflakes or bow to the woke mob; we’re here to fight for the soul of this nation, one episode at a time.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, this is Brian Ferrence. You can follow me on
x at Brian Ferns one. And this is the Magamine
Podcast follow us at Magamine podcast dot com. With me
is Tony shop, the CEO of Audit the Vote PA.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
How are you, Tony, I'm doing great, Thanks for having
me today.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Thank you. Why don't you call out your website or
any social media handle just right out the beginning.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Most social medias, we are at Audit the Vote PA.
I think there's a couple that we're at Audit the Vote.
Instagram is at Audit the Vote Official. Most of the
time it's at Audit the Vote PA. And we're on
all the standard socials and you can also find our
work on our website www. Dot Audit the votepa dot com.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I'm showing this graphic which is your statewide event tour.
Do you want to just mention that as well?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yes, So everybody after the craziness of the twenty twenty
four election, where I believe we've been given a reprieve
and it's a miracle that President Trump is back in
the White House, and then of course the insanity of
this last couple of weeks with Pennsylvania Wisconsin. People want
to know what do we do? That's a great question.
I'm going to be touring the state week, hitting all
four corners of Pennsylvania to talk about exactly that. What
(01:04):
can we as the grassroots do? And so the graphic
you're looking at, if you scan the QR code, it
will take you to an RSVP link where you can
see the exact location of where we'll be and would
love to meet as many like minded patriots as possible
in Pennsylvania and get you connected and talk about what
is the path forward look like?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
All right? Perfect? And then I'm just gonna do a
brief intro clip for a magnamied podcast. I'm just gonna
play that real quick. If I'm being real, I spent
my whole life escaping the pills.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
If I'm being real, I think I was happy yet
when I couldn't pay the bills. If I'm being in rail,
I'm searching for purpose. I feel reapy bes If time
being a rail, I don't know if.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It's worth it. All right, and we're back, So I
want to get into a little bit about Lancaster County,
Pennsylvania again. Brian Farrence with Tony Shook the CEO of
Audit the Vote PA. Before we kind of dive in
to it too much, I'm going to put up a
graphic maybe about the voter registrations, but if you want
(02:05):
to give any overview about that election or any specific
things that you saw, feel free to do that as well.
Let me show this graphic. This is the increase in
Republican registrations by presidential election cycle that was created by
your organization. So I'll turn it over to you.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, so the establishment in our state, our state GOP,
and then other influencers which I won't mention them by name,
but maybe you will at some point have been touting
that we just need to outregister. We need to have
all these registration drives and get newly registered people to vote,
and that's going to solve the problem. And while on
one hand, I would never discourage people from registering to
vote because the registration falls flat, then we have no
(02:45):
election to begin with. But what this graph shows is
that the trend in newly registered Republican voters during each
presidential election cycle since twenty sixteen has actually gone down.
So people that are trying to take credit and saying, oh,
it's all a voter registration. We just got a registered
register register. Well, my question to you then is why
(03:06):
between twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen did we see three
hundred and nineteen thousand newly registered Republican voters and then
between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty that number went down
to two hundred and eighty eight thousand in that one
year cycle. So we took a snapshot just of that
year at the same time, like late October, early November,
around the same time, and said how many new Republican
(03:29):
registrations did we have? And then the third one actually
shows you it dropped even more between twenty twenty three
and twenty twenty four, with two hundred and forty six
thousand newly registered Republicans. So how can we say that
voter registration is the answer when the numbers are clearly
showing the total opposite.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Right, And then there was a lot of claims by
some social media personalities, including Scott Presler, that you know,
they were fifty thousand voters, you know, even though his
number two employee claimed just nine days earlier while ten thousand.
So it looks like those are inflated claims. The registration
numbers that chart that you're showing doesn't support those claims,
(04:09):
So I think that is a little bit problematic. Now
there's another graphic talking about early voting. Let me show
that one.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Do you want to talk to this? That's a fun one.
So this shows the mail in ballot breakdown from the
recent thirty six district senatorial race that we saw a
week and a half ago on in Pennsylvania, where in
a deep red district, the Republican who should have been
a shoe in is currently the county commissioner and very
well liked in his county of Lancaster, should have been
(04:41):
really a landslide, and in fact, what we're seeing from
this graphic breaks down the mail ballots and we're able
to break these down this way because they're counted at
a centralized tabulation facility, so they're not at the precincts,
and so we can see exactly how many ballots were
requested by each by party. That's how it's publicly available Pennsylvania,
and this is all state department data. So you can
(05:03):
write to no requests, which is Pennsylvania's version of a FOYA.
You can do that yourself to double check these numbers.
But that's where we're getting them from. You can see
how many ballots were requested from the Democrat party, and
then how many were returned by Democrats, and then how
many votes. That third line in each of the three
segments is how many votes the candidate got, So malone
(05:25):
is the Democrat candidate clearly got more votes then return
to mail ballots, and a lot of people misconstrue that
and they think, well, does that mean they stole it
or they cheated to their SPRAU. That's not what this
graph is showing. What it is showing, though, is if
you look at the Republican candidate in the middle, he's
the county commissioner that I just mentioned, is that his
fifty four hundred Republicans requested mail ballots, forty four hundred
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returned them, but Parsons only got thirty five hundred votes
from those mail ballots, and that tells us basically that
the Republicans are not voting. The Republicans that turn in
mail ballots aren't all voting for the Republican candidate, which
is why you see the uptick in the Democrat candidate
and the third party on all the way to the right.
Just puts that into perspective even more because we had
(06:11):
seventeen hundred third party voters request mail in ballots, thirteen
hundred return them, with only one hundred and seventy three
actually voting for the third party candidate. So that's where
the Democrat candidates are getting their votes. They're extra votes
from it's coming from the Republicans and the independents that
aren't voting on party lines.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
We had some technical issues, so we just switched over
to a different method. But welcome back, Tony.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Thank you. I think we broke the internet, Brian. They
didn't want this info getting out there.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
You know, it's interesting. I've had conversations with other people
and we've been talking about really in depth election fraud
or something else, and you know, drop call it happens
all the time. So you know, the conspiracy theorist inside
of me likes to think, well, maybe that's one of
my many, you know, fed monitors that has decided that
(07:01):
this conversation should not continue, and it's just discontinued. So
maybe they hit us on that. But let's see if
you can remember exactly where you picked off. I know
you were talking about, you know, the mail in ballots,
but see if you can pick up where you left off.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, I think we were talking about the Lancaster County
thirty six Senate District race, and I was just explaining
that graphic that you had about early voting were being
told by the establishment and influencers that were just not
voting early hard enough. And in Pennsylvania, first of all,
we don't really have early voting. If you vote early,
you go to your county Board of Elections, you request
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a mail ballot, they process the application, you wait for it,
you get a ballot, and you stick it in an envelope,
exactly like you would if you've got a mail ballot
at your house. So there's really no early voting first
of all. But second of all, mail ballots are incredibly unsecure,
and what we have seen happen this has actually been
a trend since twenty twenty. Mail ballots in Pennsylvania no
excuse mail ballots didn't exist before twenty nineteen. It was
(07:59):
passed a law in late twenty nineteen. Acts seventy seven
gave us no excuse mail ballots, and so we only
have data starting in twenty twenty. But what we've seen
is the low propensity voters who are returning mail ballots
are not voting for their the Republican candidate. I should say,
the low propensite Republican voters who are returning mail ballots
aren't voting for the well that's in candidate.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Let me just say interject for a second there, because
that's everything that you know turning Point in Scott Presser
talks about is your turnpoint action. You know, we're going
to target the low propensity voters. And I think Charlie
Kirk just put a post recently commenting on the loss
in the Wisconsin election and he said we are now
the party of low propensity voters. So that's what he's
(08:40):
saying is the most important thing. We need to only
focus on that. But you're seeing data that those low
propensity Republican voters are not voting Republican. So it's actually
a bad idea to target them.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
That's what the data is showing in Pennsylvania. And I
would love I have great relationships with people that work
for TP Action, and I would love to sit down
with them and show them these numbers and have you know,
real conversation about where why do you guys think that
this is a good idea? Because our data is showing
something completely different.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Well, and that's a good point because you know Scott
Presser and turning Point action. I mean, there's even a
graphic of them coordinating together on super Chase. You know,
all those different different graphics and buzzwords that they have.
But basically they've combined forces. They put all their efforts
in especially Wisconsin. You know, they're on the ground, they're
door knocking, you know, send us a lot of money nationwide,
(09:32):
texts and emails. We're here in Pennsylvania, we're here in Wisconsin,
and yet we saw two consecutive crushing losses, which seems
to indicate that, you know, their methods are not working,
that early voting is not working, mail in ballots is
not working, Targeting low propensity voters is not working. I mean,
what do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
And that's exactly what we're seeing. Our numbers actually prove that,
because how in the world is a Democrat in mail
in Pennsylvania. We're able to track the results based on
the mail ballots because they're counted separately at a centralized
tabulation facility, and so you can literally see in the numbers,
if this many Democrat voters return to mail ballot how
many votes did the Democrat candidate get. And in our case,
(10:16):
this has happened in Trump twenty twenty election, which whole
separate animal we could talk about, but it also happened
with the Mastriano race for governor in twenty twenty two,
with the Oz Fetterman race. Is we're seeing the Democrats
who return mail ballots, their candidates are getting more votes
than return to mail ballots. And that's not an indication
necessarily a fraud, because when you look at the Republicans
(10:39):
who are returning mail ballots and the Independents, their candidates
are getting less votes coming from those exact mail ballots.
And so that is I don't know how it could
get any more crystal clear that And oh, by the way,
this we did a deeper dive on this Senate thirty
six in Lancaster County and it turns out that around
eight hundred low propensity Republicans registered voters returned to mail ballots.
(11:02):
And isn't it strange that about eight hundred less that's
how many of the Republican candidate got less than the
returned ballots. Odd that that number is kind of lining up.
So even though we can't prove because we don't know
how each individual person voted. It's awfully strange that those
numbers are aligning, and yet they want to tell us
low prepens and where it's a.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
In Lancaster County. Wasn't the margin of victory, Wasn't it
like four hundred and fifty votes or something?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So arguably, without even addressing fraud or maladministration or vote switching,
which you know it's been documented in some counties, the
machines did do some vote switching, some unexplained errors of
you know, it's cast for the Republican, but suddenly it's
counted for the Democrat. We're not even talking about that.
We're just saying of these low propensity voters, which you know,
(11:53):
uh turning point action and you know Steve Pressler or
Scott Presser not Steve Presser, Scott pres Or proclaims is
we have to door knock, get ballot chase, and get
those low propensity voters. It looks like the data and
the results show that's causing the Republicans to lose, specifically
in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
So that is certainly what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Arguably, someone could construe that the registration of those low
propensity voters and the ballot chasing to get them to
vote early resulted in the loss of the election.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I think we can. I can. I'm drawing that conclusion
myself right now, and I think the number, the proof
is in the data itself. And again, we would love
to have a conversation Scott Wrestler. It's funny he actually
just blocked us this week on his own because I
was just trying to get his attention. And I know
there's people have attacked him for various instances, especially in
(12:54):
the election integrity community, and so I was careful to
not do that, to not be disrespectful, and I was
just trying to get his attention so we could have
a conversation. I've met him in person, I've talked to
him on the phone. He knows who I am. And
of course this week it was odd. It was after
the Wisconsin loss. I went to log into my ex
profile and of course I'm tagged on a bunch of
things that Scott Presler's on and I go to reply
(13:17):
and it says he blocked you. I'm like, wow, Okay,
so much for being able to have a civil discourse, conversation.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I think that that's showing. And there were some other
really large accounts like MJ truth Ultra that showed some screenshots.
He's about nine hundred thousand followers. It looked like very
polite conversation and polite questioning, just like you were doing.
So what the evidence seems to indicate is Scott Presler
is just blocking anyone who questions him, anyone who isn't
(13:45):
lining up with the narrative, who isn't donating to him.
I mean, he's raised over seven million dollars for his pack,
and prior to that, Charlie Kirk pledged to give five
million dollars to Scott Presser and his efforts, So you
know five plus seven is twelve twelve million dollars. You know,
he's received a three hundred thousand dollar car. Some of
those donations are from the Rockefellers. Two different Rockefellers donated
(14:08):
to his pack. He inherited a free reportedly five hundred
fifty thousand dollars home. So it's looking extremely profitable for
Scott Presler to purposely ignore this evidence, to block anyone
that questions it. And then you know, all of his
claims about registration, his claims about you know, the Amish,
(14:29):
and the impact that made those all seem to be disproven.
I mean, we're getting into the literal definition of what
drifting is is lie for money. That's that's the territory
we're entering in.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
You know, Brian as a fellow, I believe. I looked
at your profile. We're both conservative Christians, and I just
have this I've always had this glass half full mentality,
and I want to give people to ben. I love people.
It's kind of my downfall. I want to give people
the benefit of the doubt. I don't want to think
that they're doing these things. And I still there's just
the goodness in me wants to think there's a shred
(15:02):
that Scott Presler isn't being that way. But everything that
he's doing, unfortunately, is pointing to exactly that. In fact,
I'll tell you this is probably something most people don't
know either. He could be tracking exactly how many registered
voters he's getting from every area in Pennsylvania. Because we
have a feature where I don't like this feature. But
if you are a political organization or a nonprofit, you
(15:25):
can apply to get special web API access where the
state will actually give you essentially your own QR code
that you can attach to whatever your organization is, so
that when you're doing voter registration drives, you give them
that specific code they register through that, then you can
track how many your organization is actually bringing in. I
know that this was brought to his attention that he
(15:47):
could do that, and he has not, and so that
makes me wonder, do you just not want to know
where is this fifty thousand? Can you prove to us
that you registered fifty thousand voters? Is what I would
love to ask him, but clearly have been blocked from
right now.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
So what you're saying is there's a mechanism where he
could report into the system that data or you know,
as he's doing the registrations, and then retrieve it and
basically prove his claims beyond a shadow of doubt. Yes,
I did register this many. It is effective, we are
doing this, and he's refused to do that method, so
that the proof is non existent. No one can question him,
(16:26):
no one can say, well, wait a minute, your numbers
don't show that. Almost intentionally, I.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Don't know that he's refused it, but I know he
knows about it and he hasn't done it.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
So yeah, I mean it's getting very concerning because there's
so many data points now and so many claims that
have been disproven. You know, there was a video that
Scott Presler shared I believe it was in I believe
it was in Pennsylvania. I guess it could have been Wisconsin.
But he was a door knocker who you know. Scott
Presser posted this video was viewed two point five million times,
(17:00):
and it was basically like, oh, here's a Democrat door
knocker and you know they're swearing and cursing and smoking.
You know, it went viral, lots of publicity and views
and you know, donate to us, donate to our pack.
But then later he had to admit, okay, well that
was one of my early vote action employees and I
fired them. So uh, it's pretty crazy to think, like, Okay,
(17:23):
you've benefited off of this totally fake story, you know,
and it was your employee all along, and you admitted
publicly on X that you had to fire them, and
you know, they had to spin it like, oh, this
was a Democrat infiltrator that they're trying to undermine our
you know, position. But yet Presler benefited off off of
that lie. I mean, the two point five million views
(17:45):
on a video, the publicity, the donations that come in.
It's it just there's there's way way too many concerns. Again,
nothing against Scott Presler personally, nothing against his personality. This
is just data and looking at claims and claims that
are approven false. You know, we have two consecutive loss
elections that turning point and you know Scott Presser were
(18:09):
they were claiming it. We're not. You know, we're we're
doing this all ourselves. You know, send us our money.
You know, we're we're doing this. We're on the ground
where door knock. We have teams, teams of people call everyone.
Everyone download our app. You know, we need ten million
people to download our app. They're making calls through our app.
They're doing all this and yet just crushing consecutive losses.
So a reasonable person has to say, well, those methods
(18:31):
are not working.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
They don't work, or at least look at the data
and let's ask some questions. You know, you don't have
to draw the same conclusion. But the alarming part is
that rather than sitting down with us and talking through
these things, he just blocks you. I mean, what is
what is that called? When you block your opposition, you
censor your opposition. You don't even want to.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
That's not a Republican value to limit free speech, to
limit any kind of debate. I mean that it's truly not.
So Yeah, a lot of people are starting to question
that question what's going on. I think the data that
you've been providing and your work is fabulous. We do
have other people who are similar organizations to yours, and
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they're starting to make claims like, well, you know, back
in you know, you know, twenty twenty or even prior
to that, you know, we worked on something and Scott
Presler basically took credit for it. He took credit for this,
you know, publicized it, he claimed the victory, you know,
didn't give us any credit. So a lot of organizations
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and grassroots are really starting to sour on his approach
and his tactics. And you know, blocking everyone, I mean,
at some point you're going to alienate donors and you know,
all of your fan base. So I'm not sure if
this is a wise strategy that they're employing.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I don't I can speak to a couple of those
and give you stories of people on the ground. I
will tell you that my circle, albeit is an echo chamber,
has seen a lot of that with him in Pennsylvania,
and they're less than thrilled. I'll give you Bucks County
for example. In fact, I was on the phone with
an election official this week who said that, you know,
he took credit for Bucks County flipping red. And as
(20:17):
appreciative as you want to be for people that do
put out effort, I mean, he's clearly working very hard
in terms of activity. He's not like sleeping until noon
and doing nothing all day. But him going out to
Bucks County and then claiming we flipped it red. The
story he's not telling you is there's been grass roots
on the ground that started that process when the gap
(20:38):
was like ten thousand voters apart, and they worked really,
really hard to get the registrations flipped. And then Scott
Presler comes in when there's fifteen hundred to go and
starts pushing, pushing, pushing, and then says, we did it.
I'm not denying that he had a part in it.
Thank you for the awareness and the help, but acknowledge
that the bulk of the work was done before you
(20:58):
got there.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Maybe right right, Well, that there's been allegations that you know,
early vote action and to a certain extent turning point
is specifically targeting areas that are about to flip anyways,
that it's it's inevitable for them to you know, quote
unquote flip, and so that's where they go. And then
(21:20):
of course from the flip's like, well that was us.
We did that by ourselves, never mind any of the
groups that you know, been working on this for years
or prior to that. We get we claim all the credit.
But when there's two losses, then they're blaming the voters.
It's the voter's fault that this didn't work. You didn't
vote hard enough. Next time, vote harder. Send us more
(21:40):
money there. You know, there's some influencer posts. We need
to send more money to Scott Pressler. We need to
make we need to make him the head of the GOP.
You know, I was like, I'm not sure that that
is a wise idea, and I mean, it's difficult to
argue with two consecutive losses that they were heavily involved with.
But what else you want to talk about about those
(22:01):
two elections or you know, what you're seeing on the ground.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Well, I think, you know, I can really only speak
to Pennsylvania. I'm not going to speak to Wisconsin. And
I was politically my story is just wild. I knew
nothing before twenty twenty. I was I'm the poster child
for the problem with America. I lived my entire adult
life with my head in the sand, absolutely not following anything.
And then I woke up when the governor shut the
schools down in our state, and I've been very active
ever since. And so I encourage people to get local involvement.
(22:29):
That's where the fix is, is that we've got to
get in our own backyards first. And so I don't
want to claim that I know things in Wisconsin that
I don't because I'm not on the ground there. There's
a lot of good people who are. But I am
on the ground in Pennsylvania. And it looks like what
we're seeing happen with this low propensity voter, whatever you
want to call it, is that a lot of the
left wing NGOs are funded by USAID, which Elon has
(22:53):
exposed recently, or targeting. What they're able to do when
these people request mail in ballots is they are targeting
the low propensity voters because they're most likely to swing,
and they are hyper focusing then all of their money
into getting those people propagandized with ads, digital ads, text messages,
(23:13):
you name it. They're just being bombarded with a false narrative.
And the example I can give you is we saw
it with the Oz Fetterman race. We spoke to Republican
voters who voted for Fetterman because they were told that
Oz was killing puppies or hurting puppies or whatever that
and you can look it up. I mean, this is
what we were experiencing. Fetterman had to eventually apologize, he lied,
(23:34):
they were lied to. They couldn't bring themselves to vote
for doctor Oz, and so they flipped their vote. And
so that's what this usaid. We believe money is going
into these left wing NGOs targeting these low propensity voters
because they can flip them. And then they've got this
ballot harvesting collection process down to a science, and early
voting window in Pennsylvania fifty days of which they can
(23:56):
do it, and oh haark, it makes perfect sense then
to tell the Republicans that you're just we're just not
voting enough, We're not voting early enough you're not getting
enough ballots because look, the Democrats have so many more ballots.
You just need to do more ballots. They're not taking
a look below the surface and seeing what's actually going
on that think people like Doge. We need to doge
(24:16):
Pennsylvania in terms of the election system in my opinion,
because I think there's a lot going on below the
surface that they're just not looking at or talking about.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, that's a great point, and a lot of people
have been calling for, you know, the newly the new
heads of the FBI, Cash and Bongino, they need to
do some special investigations, appoint a special investigations team of
the FBI, work with Dose, work with some of the
grassroots on the ground, and start looking and digging into
(24:45):
these issues because otherwise nothing's going to happen. I mean
a lot of the legislators in the various states, they
have no appetite for really making any major improvements to
to you know, election integrity, to voter ID. I mean
one exception was in Wisconsin there was a bout initiative
(25:07):
to enshrine in their constitution voter ID and that passed
by a wide margin. So it doesn't really make sense
because Democrats hate that. Why would that pass by such
a wide margin? But then the Republican loss the Democrat
won there. It doesn't make any logical sense.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
It doesn't to you or I. But I know what
their answer is because I've done in this battle before
in Pennsylvania, and they'll say, well, we've done polling on
voter ID and every it's bipartisan Republicans and Democrat voters
actually want that. It's the establishment politicians that don't. And
I get that point, so I know that's what they'll
hammer home. But again, look at the data. It doesn't
(25:46):
The data is not adding up. It doesn't make any sense.
And I don't know what Wisconsin, how their mail ballot
system works, if they're able to look at things the
same way Pennsylvania did. But I did see a few
posts Peter Berneger and others and was and I saw
them looking at stuff and it doesn't There's plenty of
reason to question exactly what you're saying. It just doesn't add.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Up, right, right, Okay? And do you think that there's
going to be some calls for an audit of some
of these elections? Are people calling for that now or
there's just not enough evidence.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I think we need to keep screaming that. That's what
a lot of my organization does. With audit the vote PAS,
We've become a watchdog election integrity organization that looks at
this stuff very closely. I really can't take credit for
the data. I have a brilliant data analyst who is
a software engineer and has been in the political space
doing analysis on voter rolls and other things since twenty sixteen,
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and he's the one that provides a lot of this.
I'm basically just this mouthpiece that gets it out to
the public. So I think we need to we need
to continue looking into these things, exposing these things. Whether
we get an audit or not is not really the point.
The point is, I like to quote John Quincy Adams,
duty is ours, results are gods. I'm also a constitution coach,
and I work for a company called Patriot Academy out
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of Fredericksburg, Texas, and we do Biblical Citizenship in Modern
America classes. We do constitutional live classes. It's how I
got active in this whole space in the fall of
twenty twenty and so we tell the story of John
Quincy Adams and Abraham Lincoln and how he pushed to
end slavery and felt that it was his duty. That's
his quote. Duty as ours, results are God's. John Quincy
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Adams was the pioneer to abolish slavery of the Founding Fathers.
He never saw it in his lifetime, but he mentored
a young Abraham Lincoln who ended up actually ending slavery.
And so that's how we look at the election integrity movement.
We are doing our duty for the next generation, for posterity.
We're doing what the founders intended for to remain in
a free society. And whether or not we see the
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fruits of our labor, we don't know. But duty is ours,
results are gods.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Excellent, excellent quote. I did want to ask too. I mean,
President Trump did do an executive order on election integrity. Basically,
my understanding is basically using the purse strings to say,
if you don't make some improvements to fix the voting system,
then we're going to deny you some of this federal money.
Do you think that's going to be effective? Is that
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going to have any impact?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
No? I was really critical of that when I first
looked at it. Of course, I was looking surface level
with my I don't know if I can still claim
the rookie card since I have been active since twenty twenty,
but my limited political experience before twenty twenty, I was
kind of critical of it, but I then looked at
an analysis done by Colonel Seawan Smith from Cause of America.
I don't know if you're connected with him or not.
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He's in the state of Colorado. If he hasn't been
on here yet, I highly recommend you get him on
here for an interview because he can speak to this.
He did a really good thread of breaking down the
executive order and the path that he sees and the
good things that can come from what he's done, and
so I have more hope that those that his executive
orders will turn into some good reform. After reading Colonel
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Seawan Smith's take on it again, I was awfully critical
because just being in the local, nitty gritty, daily grind
of it all, if you will, was kind of like, well,
this is such high level stuff. Is it really going
to make a difference for us? But time will tell.
I guess right, right.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Right, And I definitely will reach out to you for
his contact information. I'd love to have them on the show.
I think that the only way, like especially in Arizona.
Arizona is incredibly corrupt. Our legislators have little to no
interest in doing anything to fix our elections. I think
we're going to need some kind of special investigation in
order to expose some compelling data that forces them to act,
(29:30):
because the simple pressure of the people apparently has not
been enough. You know, there's so many organizations and individuals
that run cover. They don't want any criticism of the legislators.
They don't want them to be forced to change anything.
So there has to be something that can overcome that.
And I think we need some compelling investigations and data
and some arrests. I mean there's been some there's been
(29:53):
a few proven cases of election fraud and maladministration and
some arrests, even some you know, some elections have been
invalidated by a court order. I think we need a
lot more of that. I'll just just a lot more
arrest a lot more court orders, and you know, we
need to just expose it and see if we can
finally move the needle. But I know it's been a struggle,
(30:15):
and I want to thank you, know, you and your
organization for all the work that you've done. Thanks again
for coming on the show. Shout out your like url
and some of your socials again.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, thanks for having me. Please at least follow us
on social media like share, subscribe to all of our stuff.
We are at Audit the Vote, PA, or also look
up at Audit the Vote, and you can look at
our website to find out the work that we've done
and if you'd like to support us by either volunteering
or I'm even hesitant to ask for donations now after
seeing the crazy grift that's going on with someone or
(30:45):
but do a deep dive. We are happy. The other
thing that I like to out is that I openly
want my work criticized and peer reviewed, and I will
answer any questions about anything that we put out there.
I want to have that civil discourse. And so before
you do, if you're thinking about donating, before before you do,
feel free to ask any questions about the validity of it,
and we will. We are fully transparent. So our website
(31:07):
is Audit the Vote pa dot com. Take it up,
look at our work and continue in the fight.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Thank you so much. And it's true what they say,
you know, those that have nothing to hide have nothing
to hide. So that's the type of organization that's a
receiver donations. So thanks again Tony. Shoot the CEO of
Audit the Vote PA Again, I'm Brian Farns. You can
follow me on ex at Brian Farrens one or Brian
Farance dot com. And then this is the Magamined podcast
Magamine podcast dot com or wherever you get your podcast.
(31:35):
Just search for Magamined all one word and then podcast
and you'll find us there. So thanks again to Tony,
that to all viewers. Have a great day and God
bless
Hi, this is Brian Ferrence. You can follow me on
x at Brian Ferns one. And this is the Magamine
Podcast follow us at Magamine podcast dot com. With me
is Tony shop, the CEO of Audit the Vote PA.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
How are you, Tony, I'm doing great, Thanks for having
me today.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Thank you. Why don't you call out your website or
any social media handle just right out the beginning.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Most social medias, we are at Audit the Vote PA.
I think there's a couple that we're at Audit the Vote.
Instagram is at Audit the Vote Official. Most of the
time it's at Audit the Vote PA. And we're on
all the standard socials and you can also find our
work on our website www. Dot Audit the votepa dot com.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I'm showing this graphic which is your statewide event tour.
Do you want to just mention that as well?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yes, So everybody after the craziness of the twenty twenty
four election, where I believe we've been given a reprieve
and it's a miracle that President Trump is back in
the White House, and then of course the insanity of
this last couple of weeks with Pennsylvania Wisconsin. People want
to know what do we do? That's a great question.
I'm going to be touring the state week, hitting all
four corners of Pennsylvania to talk about exactly that. What
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can we as the grassroots do? And so the graphic
you're looking at, if you scan the QR code, it
will take you to an RSVP link where you can
see the exact location of where we'll be and would
love to meet as many like minded patriots as possible
in Pennsylvania and get you connected and talk about what
is the path forward look like?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
All right? Perfect? And then I'm just gonna do a
brief intro clip for a magnamied podcast. I'm just gonna
play that real quick. If I'm being real, I spent
my whole life escaping the pills.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
If I'm being real, I think I was happy yet
when I couldn't pay the bills. If I'm being in rail,
I'm searching for purpose. I feel reapy bes If time
being a rail, I don't know if.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It's worth it. All right, and we're back, So I
want to get into a little bit about Lancaster County,
Pennsylvania again. Brian Farrence with Tony Shook the CEO of
Audit the Vote PA. Before we kind of dive in
to it too much, I'm going to put up a
graphic maybe about the voter registrations, but if you want
(02:05):
to give any overview about that election or any specific
things that you saw, feel free to do that as well.
Let me show this graphic. This is the increase in
Republican registrations by presidential election cycle that was created by
your organization. So I'll turn it over to you.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, so the establishment in our state, our state GOP,
and then other influencers which I won't mention them by name,
but maybe you will at some point have been touting
that we just need to outregister. We need to have
all these registration drives and get newly registered people to vote,
and that's going to solve the problem. And while on
one hand, I would never discourage people from registering to
vote because the registration falls flat, then we have no
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election to begin with. But what this graph shows is
that the trend in newly registered Republican voters during each
presidential election cycle since twenty sixteen has actually gone down.
So people that are trying to take credit and saying, oh,
it's all a voter registration. We just got a registered
register register. Well, my question to you then is why
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between twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen did we see three
hundred and nineteen thousand newly registered Republican voters and then
between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty that number went down
to two hundred and eighty eight thousand in that one
year cycle. So we took a snapshot just of that
year at the same time, like late October, early November,
around the same time, and said how many new Republican
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registrations did we have? And then the third one actually
shows you it dropped even more between twenty twenty three
and twenty twenty four, with two hundred and forty six
thousand newly registered Republicans. So how can we say that
voter registration is the answer when the numbers are clearly
showing the total opposite.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Right, And then there was a lot of claims by
some social media personalities, including Scott Presler, that you know,
they were fifty thousand voters, you know, even though his
number two employee claimed just nine days earlier while ten thousand.
So it looks like those are inflated claims. The registration
numbers that chart that you're showing doesn't support those claims,
(04:09):
So I think that is a little bit problematic. Now
there's another graphic talking about early voting. Let me show
that one.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Do you want to talk to this? That's a fun one.
So this shows the mail in ballot breakdown from the
recent thirty six district senatorial race that we saw a
week and a half ago on in Pennsylvania, where in
a deep red district, the Republican who should have been
a shoe in is currently the county commissioner and very
well liked in his county of Lancaster, should have been
(04:41):
really a landslide, and in fact, what we're seeing from
this graphic breaks down the mail ballots and we're able
to break these down this way because they're counted at
a centralized tabulation facility, so they're not at the precincts,
and so we can see exactly how many ballots were
requested by each by party. That's how it's publicly available Pennsylvania,
and this is all state department data. So you can
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write to no requests, which is Pennsylvania's version of a FOYA.
You can do that yourself to double check these numbers.
But that's where we're getting them from. You can see
how many ballots were requested from the Democrat party, and
then how many were returned by Democrats, and then how
many votes. That third line in each of the three
segments is how many votes the candidate got, So malone
(05:25):
is the Democrat candidate clearly got more votes then return
to mail ballots, and a lot of people misconstrue that
and they think, well, does that mean they stole it
or they cheated to their SPRAU. That's not what this
graph is showing. What it is showing, though, is if
you look at the Republican candidate in the middle, he's
the county commissioner that I just mentioned, is that his
fifty four hundred Republicans requested mail ballots, forty four hundred
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returned them, but Parsons only got thirty five hundred votes
from those mail ballots, and that tells us basically that
the Republicans are not voting. The Republicans that turn in
mail ballots aren't all voting for the Republican candidate, which
is why you see the uptick in the Democrat candidate
and the third party on all the way to the right.
Just puts that into perspective even more because we had
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seventeen hundred third party voters request mail in ballots, thirteen
hundred return them, with only one hundred and seventy three
actually voting for the third party candidate. So that's where
the Democrat candidates are getting their votes. They're extra votes
from it's coming from the Republicans and the independents that
aren't voting on party lines.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
We had some technical issues, so we just switched over
to a different method. But welcome back, Tony.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Thank you. I think we broke the internet, Brian. They
didn't want this info getting out there.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
You know, it's interesting. I've had conversations with other people
and we've been talking about really in depth election fraud
or something else, and you know, drop call it happens
all the time. So you know, the conspiracy theorist inside
of me likes to think, well, maybe that's one of
my many, you know, fed monitors that has decided that
(07:01):
this conversation should not continue, and it's just discontinued. So
maybe they hit us on that. But let's see if
you can remember exactly where you picked off. I know
you were talking about, you know, the mail in ballots,
but see if you can pick up where you left off.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, I think we were talking about the Lancaster County
thirty six Senate District race, and I was just explaining
that graphic that you had about early voting were being
told by the establishment and influencers that were just not
voting early hard enough. And in Pennsylvania, first of all,
we don't really have early voting. If you vote early,
you go to your county Board of Elections, you request
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a mail ballot, they process the application, you wait for it,
you get a ballot, and you stick it in an envelope,
exactly like you would if you've got a mail ballot
at your house. So there's really no early voting first
of all. But second of all, mail ballots are incredibly unsecure,
and what we have seen happen this has actually been
a trend since twenty twenty. Mail ballots in Pennsylvania no
excuse mail ballots didn't exist before twenty nineteen. It was
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passed a law in late twenty nineteen. Acts seventy seven
gave us no excuse mail ballots, and so we only
have data starting in twenty twenty. But what we've seen
is the low propensity voters who are returning mail ballots
are not voting for their the Republican candidate. I should say,
the low propensite Republican voters who are returning mail ballots
aren't voting for the well that's in candidate.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Let me just say interject for a second there, because
that's everything that you know turning Point in Scott Presser
talks about is your turnpoint action. You know, we're going
to target the low propensity voters. And I think Charlie
Kirk just put a post recently commenting on the loss
in the Wisconsin election and he said we are now
the party of low propensity voters. So that's what he's
(08:40):
saying is the most important thing. We need to only
focus on that. But you're seeing data that those low
propensity Republican voters are not voting Republican. So it's actually
a bad idea to target them.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
That's what the data is showing in Pennsylvania. And I
would love I have great relationships with people that work
for TP Action, and I would love to sit down
with them and show them these numbers and have you know,
real conversation about where why do you guys think that
this is a good idea? Because our data is showing
something completely different.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Well, and that's a good point because you know Scott
Presser and turning Point action. I mean, there's even a
graphic of them coordinating together on super Chase. You know,
all those different different graphics and buzzwords that they have.
But basically they've combined forces. They put all their efforts
in especially Wisconsin. You know, they're on the ground, they're
door knocking, you know, send us a lot of money nationwide,
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texts and emails. We're here in Pennsylvania, we're here in Wisconsin,
and yet we saw two consecutive crushing losses, which seems
to indicate that, you know, their methods are not working,
that early voting is not working, mail in ballots is
not working, Targeting low propensity voters is not working. I mean,
what do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
And that's exactly what we're seeing. Our numbers actually prove that,
because how in the world is a Democrat in mail
in Pennsylvania. We're able to track the results based on
the mail ballots because they're counted separately at a centralized
tabulation facility, and so you can literally see in the numbers,
if this many Democrat voters return to mail ballot how
many votes did the Democrat candidate get. And in our case,
(10:16):
this has happened in Trump twenty twenty election, which whole
separate animal we could talk about, but it also happened
with the Mastriano race for governor in twenty twenty two,
with the Oz Fetterman race. Is we're seeing the Democrats
who return mail ballots, their candidates are getting more votes
than return to mail ballots. And that's not an indication
necessarily a fraud, because when you look at the Republicans
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who are returning mail ballots and the Independents, their candidates
are getting less votes coming from those exact mail ballots.
And so that is I don't know how it could
get any more crystal clear that And oh, by the way,
this we did a deeper dive on this Senate thirty
six in Lancaster County and it turns out that around
eight hundred low propensity Republicans registered voters returned to mail ballots.
(11:02):
And isn't it strange that about eight hundred less that's
how many of the Republican candidate got less than the
returned ballots. Odd that that number is kind of lining up.
So even though we can't prove because we don't know
how each individual person voted. It's awfully strange that those
numbers are aligning, and yet they want to tell us
low prepens and where it's a.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
In Lancaster County. Wasn't the margin of victory, Wasn't it
like four hundred and fifty votes or something?
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So arguably, without even addressing fraud or maladministration or vote switching,
which you know it's been documented in some counties, the
machines did do some vote switching, some unexplained errors of
you know, it's cast for the Republican, but suddenly it's
counted for the Democrat. We're not even talking about that.
We're just saying of these low propensity voters, which you know,
(11:53):
uh turning point action and you know Steve Pressler or
Scott Presser not Steve Presser, Scott pres Or proclaims is
we have to door knock, get ballot chase, and get
those low propensity voters. It looks like the data and
the results show that's causing the Republicans to lose, specifically
in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
So that is certainly what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Arguably, someone could construe that the registration of those low
propensity voters and the ballot chasing to get them to
vote early resulted in the loss of the election.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I think we can. I can. I'm drawing that conclusion
myself right now, and I think the number, the proof
is in the data itself. And again, we would love
to have a conversation Scott Wrestler. It's funny he actually
just blocked us this week on his own because I
was just trying to get his attention. And I know
there's people have attacked him for various instances, especially in
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the election integrity community, and so I was careful to
not do that, to not be disrespectful, and I was
just trying to get his attention so we could have
a conversation. I've met him in person, I've talked to
him on the phone. He knows who I am. And
of course this week it was odd. It was after
the Wisconsin loss. I went to log into my ex
profile and of course I'm tagged on a bunch of
things that Scott Presler's on and I go to reply
(13:17):
and it says he blocked you. I'm like, wow, Okay,
so much for being able to have a civil discourse, conversation.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I think that that's showing. And there were some other
really large accounts like MJ truth Ultra that showed some screenshots.
He's about nine hundred thousand followers. It looked like very
polite conversation and polite questioning, just like you were doing.
So what the evidence seems to indicate is Scott Presler
is just blocking anyone who questions him, anyone who isn't
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lining up with the narrative, who isn't donating to him.
I mean, he's raised over seven million dollars for his pack,
and prior to that, Charlie Kirk pledged to give five
million dollars to Scott Presser and his efforts, So you
know five plus seven is twelve twelve million dollars. You know,
he's received a three hundred thousand dollar car. Some of
those donations are from the Rockefellers. Two different Rockefellers donated
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to his pack. He inherited a free reportedly five hundred
fifty thousand dollars home. So it's looking extremely profitable for
Scott Presler to purposely ignore this evidence, to block anyone
that questions it. And then you know, all of his
claims about registration, his claims about you know, the Amish,
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and the impact that made those all seem to be disproven.
I mean, we're getting into the literal definition of what
drifting is is lie for money. That's that's the territory
we're entering in.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
You know, Brian as a fellow, I believe. I looked
at your profile. We're both conservative Christians, and I just
have this I've always had this glass half full mentality,
and I want to give people to ben. I love people.
It's kind of my downfall. I want to give people
the benefit of the doubt. I don't want to think
that they're doing these things. And I still there's just
the goodness in me wants to think there's a shred
(15:02):
that Scott Presler isn't being that way. But everything that
he's doing, unfortunately, is pointing to exactly that. In fact,
I'll tell you this is probably something most people don't
know either. He could be tracking exactly how many registered
voters he's getting from every area in Pennsylvania. Because we
have a feature where I don't like this feature. But
if you are a political organization or a nonprofit, you
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can apply to get special web API access where the
state will actually give you essentially your own QR code
that you can attach to whatever your organization is, so
that when you're doing voter registration drives, you give them
that specific code they register through that, then you can
track how many your organization is actually bringing in. I
know that this was brought to his attention that he
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could do that, and he has not, and so that
makes me wonder, do you just not want to know
where is this fifty thousand? Can you prove to us
that you registered fifty thousand voters? Is what I would
love to ask him, but clearly have been blocked from
right now.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
So what you're saying is there's a mechanism where he
could report into the system that data or you know,
as he's doing the registrations, and then retrieve it and
basically prove his claims beyond a shadow of doubt. Yes,
I did register this many. It is effective, we are
doing this, and he's refused to do that method, so
that the proof is non existent. No one can question him,
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no one can say, well, wait a minute, your numbers
don't show that. Almost intentionally, I.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Don't know that he's refused it, but I know he
knows about it and he hasn't done it.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
So yeah, I mean it's getting very concerning because there's
so many data points now and so many claims that
have been disproven. You know, there was a video that
Scott Presler shared I believe it was in I believe
it was in Pennsylvania. I guess it could have been Wisconsin.
But he was a door knocker who you know. Scott
Presser posted this video was viewed two point five million times,
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and it was basically like, oh, here's a Democrat door
knocker and you know they're swearing and cursing and smoking.
You know, it went viral, lots of publicity and views
and you know, donate to us, donate to our pack.
But then later he had to admit, okay, well that
was one of my early vote action employees and I
fired them. So uh, it's pretty crazy to think, like, Okay,
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you've benefited off of this totally fake story, you know,
and it was your employee all along, and you admitted
publicly on X that you had to fire them, and
you know, they had to spin it like, oh, this
was a Democrat infiltrator that they're trying to undermine our
you know, position. But yet Presler benefited off off of
that lie. I mean, the two point five million views
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on a video, the publicity, the donations that come in.
It's it just there's there's way way too many concerns. Again,
nothing against Scott Presler personally, nothing against his personality. This
is just data and looking at claims and claims that
are approven false. You know, we have two consecutive loss
elections that turning point and you know Scott Presser were
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they were claiming it. We're not. You know, we're we're
doing this all ourselves. You know, send us our money.
You know, we're we're doing this. We're on the ground
where door knock. We have teams, teams of people call everyone.
Everyone download our app. You know, we need ten million
people to download our app. They're making calls through our app.
They're doing all this and yet just crushing consecutive losses.
So a reasonable person has to say, well, those methods
(18:31):
are not working.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
They don't work, or at least look at the data
and let's ask some questions. You know, you don't have
to draw the same conclusion. But the alarming part is
that rather than sitting down with us and talking through
these things, he just blocks you. I mean, what is
what is that called? When you block your opposition, you
censor your opposition. You don't even want to.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
That's not a Republican value to limit free speech, to
limit any kind of debate. I mean that it's truly not.
So Yeah, a lot of people are starting to question
that question what's going on. I think the data that
you've been providing and your work is fabulous. We do
have other people who are similar organizations to yours, and
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they're starting to make claims like, well, you know, back
in you know, you know, twenty twenty or even prior
to that, you know, we worked on something and Scott
Presler basically took credit for it. He took credit for this,
you know, publicized it, he claimed the victory, you know,
didn't give us any credit. So a lot of organizations
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and grassroots are really starting to sour on his approach
and his tactics. And you know, blocking everyone, I mean,
at some point you're going to alienate donors and you know,
all of your fan base. So I'm not sure if
this is a wise strategy that they're employing.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I don't I can speak to a couple of those
and give you stories of people on the ground. I
will tell you that my circle, albeit is an echo chamber,
has seen a lot of that with him in Pennsylvania,
and they're less than thrilled. I'll give you Bucks County
for example. In fact, I was on the phone with
an election official this week who said that, you know,
he took credit for Bucks County flipping red. And as
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appreciative as you want to be for people that do
put out effort, I mean, he's clearly working very hard
in terms of activity. He's not like sleeping until noon
and doing nothing all day. But him going out to
Bucks County and then claiming we flipped it red. The
story he's not telling you is there's been grass roots
on the ground that started that process when the gap
(20:38):
was like ten thousand voters apart, and they worked really,
really hard to get the registrations flipped. And then Scott
Presler comes in when there's fifteen hundred to go and
starts pushing, pushing, pushing, and then says, we did it.
I'm not denying that he had a part in it.
Thank you for the awareness and the help, but acknowledge
that the bulk of the work was done before you
(20:58):
got there.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Maybe right right, Well, that there's been allegations that you know,
early vote action and to a certain extent turning point
is specifically targeting areas that are about to flip anyways,
that it's it's inevitable for them to you know, quote
unquote flip, and so that's where they go. And then
(21:20):
of course from the flip's like, well that was us.
We did that by ourselves, never mind any of the
groups that you know, been working on this for years
or prior to that. We get we claim all the credit.
But when there's two losses, then they're blaming the voters.
It's the voter's fault that this didn't work. You didn't
vote hard enough. Next time, vote harder. Send us more
(21:40):
money there. You know, there's some influencer posts. We need
to send more money to Scott Pressler. We need to
make we need to make him the head of the GOP.
You know, I was like, I'm not sure that that
is a wise idea, and I mean, it's difficult to
argue with two consecutive losses that they were heavily involved with.
But what else you want to talk about about those
(22:01):
two elections or you know, what you're seeing on the ground.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Well, I think, you know, I can really only speak
to Pennsylvania. I'm not going to speak to Wisconsin. And
I was politically my story is just wild. I knew
nothing before twenty twenty. I was I'm the poster child
for the problem with America. I lived my entire adult
life with my head in the sand, absolutely not following anything.
And then I woke up when the governor shut the
schools down in our state, and I've been very active
ever since. And so I encourage people to get local involvement.
(22:29):
That's where the fix is, is that we've got to
get in our own backyards first. And so I don't
want to claim that I know things in Wisconsin that
I don't because I'm not on the ground there. There's
a lot of good people who are. But I am
on the ground in Pennsylvania. And it looks like what
we're seeing happen with this low propensity voter, whatever you
want to call it, is that a lot of the
left wing NGOs are funded by USAID, which Elon has
(22:53):
exposed recently, or targeting. What they're able to do when
these people request mail in ballots is they are targeting
the low propensity voters because they're most likely to swing,
and they are hyper focusing then all of their money
into getting those people propagandized with ads, digital ads, text messages,
(23:13):
you name it. They're just being bombarded with a false narrative.
And the example I can give you is we saw
it with the Oz Fetterman race. We spoke to Republican
voters who voted for Fetterman because they were told that
Oz was killing puppies or hurting puppies or whatever that
and you can look it up. I mean, this is
what we were experiencing. Fetterman had to eventually apologize, he lied,
(23:34):
they were lied to. They couldn't bring themselves to vote
for doctor Oz, and so they flipped their vote. And
so that's what this usaid. We believe money is going
into these left wing NGOs targeting these low propensity voters
because they can flip them. And then they've got this
ballot harvesting collection process down to a science, and early
voting window in Pennsylvania fifty days of which they can
(23:56):
do it, and oh haark, it makes perfect sense then
to tell the Republicans that you're just we're just not
voting enough, We're not voting early enough you're not getting
enough ballots because look, the Democrats have so many more ballots.
You just need to do more ballots. They're not taking
a look below the surface and seeing what's actually going
on that think people like Doge. We need to doge
(24:16):
Pennsylvania in terms of the election system in my opinion,
because I think there's a lot going on below the
surface that they're just not looking at or talking about.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, that's a great point, and a lot of people
have been calling for, you know, the newly the new
heads of the FBI, Cash and Bongino, they need to
do some special investigations, appoint a special investigations team of
the FBI, work with Dose, work with some of the
grassroots on the ground, and start looking and digging into
(24:45):
these issues because otherwise nothing's going to happen. I mean
a lot of the legislators in the various states, they
have no appetite for really making any major improvements to
to you know, election integrity, to voter ID. I mean
one exception was in Wisconsin there was a bout initiative
(25:07):
to enshrine in their constitution voter ID and that passed
by a wide margin. So it doesn't really make sense
because Democrats hate that. Why would that pass by such
a wide margin? But then the Republican loss the Democrat
won there. It doesn't make any logical sense.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
It doesn't to you or I. But I know what
their answer is because I've done in this battle before
in Pennsylvania, and they'll say, well, we've done polling on
voter ID and every it's bipartisan Republicans and Democrat voters
actually want that. It's the establishment politicians that don't. And
I get that point, so I know that's what they'll
hammer home. But again, look at the data. It doesn't
(25:46):
The data is not adding up. It doesn't make any sense.
And I don't know what Wisconsin, how their mail ballot
system works, if they're able to look at things the
same way Pennsylvania did. But I did see a few
posts Peter Berneger and others and was and I saw
them looking at stuff and it doesn't There's plenty of
reason to question exactly what you're saying. It just doesn't add.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Up, right, right, Okay? And do you think that there's
going to be some calls for an audit of some
of these elections? Are people calling for that now or
there's just not enough evidence.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
I think we need to keep screaming that. That's what
a lot of my organization does. With audit the vote PAS,
We've become a watchdog election integrity organization that looks at
this stuff very closely. I really can't take credit for
the data. I have a brilliant data analyst who is
a software engineer and has been in the political space
doing analysis on voter rolls and other things since twenty sixteen,
(26:40):
and he's the one that provides a lot of this.
I'm basically just this mouthpiece that gets it out to
the public. So I think we need to we need
to continue looking into these things, exposing these things. Whether
we get an audit or not is not really the point.
The point is, I like to quote John Quincy Adams,
duty is ours, results are gods. I'm also a constitution coach,
and I work for a company called Patriot Academy out
(27:02):
of Fredericksburg, Texas, and we do Biblical Citizenship in Modern
America classes. We do constitutional live classes. It's how I
got active in this whole space in the fall of
twenty twenty and so we tell the story of John
Quincy Adams and Abraham Lincoln and how he pushed to
end slavery and felt that it was his duty. That's
his quote. Duty as ours, results are God's. John Quincy
(27:22):
Adams was the pioneer to abolish slavery of the Founding Fathers.
He never saw it in his lifetime, but he mentored
a young Abraham Lincoln who ended up actually ending slavery.
And so that's how we look at the election integrity movement.
We are doing our duty for the next generation, for posterity.
We're doing what the founders intended for to remain in
a free society. And whether or not we see the
(27:42):
fruits of our labor, we don't know. But duty is ours,
results are gods.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Excellent, excellent quote. I did want to ask too. I mean,
President Trump did do an executive order on election integrity. Basically,
my understanding is basically using the purse strings to say,
if you don't make some improvements to fix the voting system,
then we're going to deny you some of this federal money.
Do you think that's going to be effective? Is that
(28:07):
going to have any impact?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
No? I was really critical of that when I first
looked at it. Of course, I was looking surface level
with my I don't know if I can still claim
the rookie card since I have been active since twenty twenty,
but my limited political experience before twenty twenty, I was
kind of critical of it, but I then looked at
an analysis done by Colonel Seawan Smith from Cause of America.
I don't know if you're connected with him or not.
(28:30):
He's in the state of Colorado. If he hasn't been
on here yet, I highly recommend you get him on
here for an interview because he can speak to this.
He did a really good thread of breaking down the
executive order and the path that he sees and the
good things that can come from what he's done, and
so I have more hope that those that his executive
orders will turn into some good reform. After reading Colonel
(28:51):
Seawan Smith's take on it again, I was awfully critical
because just being in the local, nitty gritty, daily grind
of it all, if you will, was kind of like, well,
this is such high level stuff. Is it really going
to make a difference for us? But time will tell.
I guess right, right.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Right, And I definitely will reach out to you for
his contact information. I'd love to have them on the show.
I think that the only way, like especially in Arizona.
Arizona is incredibly corrupt. Our legislators have little to no
interest in doing anything to fix our elections. I think
we're going to need some kind of special investigation in
order to expose some compelling data that forces them to act,
(29:30):
because the simple pressure of the people apparently has not
been enough. You know, there's so many organizations and individuals
that run cover. They don't want any criticism of the legislators.
They don't want them to be forced to change anything.
So there has to be something that can overcome that.
And I think we need some compelling investigations and data
and some arrests. I mean there's been some there's been
(29:53):
a few proven cases of election fraud and maladministration and
some arrests, even some you know, some elections have been
invalidated by a court order. I think we need a
lot more of that. I'll just just a lot more
arrest a lot more court orders, and you know, we
need to just expose it and see if we can
finally move the needle. But I know it's been a struggle,
(30:15):
and I want to thank you, know, you and your
organization for all the work that you've done. Thanks again
for coming on the show. Shout out your like url
and some of your socials again.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, thanks for having me. Please at least follow us
on social media like share, subscribe to all of our stuff.
We are at Audit the Vote, PA, or also look
up at Audit the Vote, and you can look at
our website to find out the work that we've done
and if you'd like to support us by either volunteering
or I'm even hesitant to ask for donations now after
seeing the crazy grift that's going on with someone or
(30:45):
but do a deep dive. We are happy. The other
thing that I like to out is that I openly
want my work criticized and peer reviewed, and I will
answer any questions about anything that we put out there.
I want to have that civil discourse. And so before
you do, if you're thinking about donating, before before you do,
feel free to ask any questions about the validity of it,
and we will. We are fully transparent. So our website
(31:07):
is Audit the Vote pa dot com. Take it up,
look at our work and continue in the fight.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Thank you so much. And it's true what they say,
you know, those that have nothing to hide have nothing
to hide. So that's the type of organization that's a
receiver donations. So thanks again Tony. Shoot the CEO of
Audit the Vote PA Again, I'm Brian Farns. You can
follow me on ex at Brian Farrens one or Brian
Farance dot com. And then this is the Magamined podcast
Magamine podcast dot com or wherever you get your podcast.
(31:35):
Just search for Magamined all one word and then podcast
and you'll find us there. So thanks again to Tony,
that to all viewers. Have a great day and God
bless
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