MAGAMind Podcast Episode 14 Apr 9, 2025 Interview with Josh Bernstein

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Three four.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Hi, this is Brian Farrence with Magamine Podcast. You can
follow me on x at Brian Farrens one or Magamine
podcast dot com. Today I'm interviewing Josh Bernstein. He's an
investigative journalist, author, political analyst, commentator, and conservative talk show host.
Say hello, Josh, how are you doing.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
I'm doing fantastic, Brian, it's great to be on the
program with you.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Well, thank you so much, thanks for joining. I'm gonna
just play like a little intro clip. You won't you
won't actually see it, but hopefully our viewers will, So
let me play that one second here.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
If I'm being real, I spent my whole life escaping
the pills. If I'm being real, I think I was
happy when I couldn't pay the bills. If I'm being
a veil, I'm searching for purpose.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
I feel wealthy.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
All right, and we are back. So Josh, tell us
just a little bit about yourself. I do have some
topics that we're going to cover. But I understand you've
written a book recently. I think it's in your background
there behind you. Tell us a little bit about the
book and tell us what it's about, and a little
bit of an overview.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Well, I've been in Arizona for about twenty nine years.
I'm originally from New Jersey. Don't hold that against me,
and I'm one of the more censored people in this country.
For the last five years, I've been living in political
purgatory on my website because two weeks before the election,
I was thrown off of basically everything. In about October

(01:25):
of twenty twenty. I was exposing voter fraud, I was
exposing Ilhan O'mahar. I was exposing a lot of different things,
and so I paid the price for that. But now,
of course, back in the Trump era once again, I'm
looking to regain my social media footprint and things like that.
So I'm now on substack. People can find Jbu Show

(01:48):
on substack, and also I'm on x Now. In only
two months, I've gotten twelve thousand followers. It's amazing what
you can do when you don't have people censoring you, right.
That's at wheel Jbu Show as well. And then yeah,
I wrote this book, Preserving Liberty. If you like everything
happening in Washington, my book shows you how to make

(02:08):
it all permanent. Congressman Paul Gosar from The Freedom Caucus
was kind enough to write the forward to it. Alan
Dershowitz has endorsed it. It's not self published, meaning it
went through a publishing company. Roger Stone endorsed it, and
of course many people in Arizona, from Wendy Rogers to
Sonny Barelli to Sheriff Mark Lamb, to Anthony Kern, and

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a whole bunch of other people as well. So you
can get it on Amazon right now if you would like.
But it basically is an easy read, about one hundred
and fifty pages, and you'll want a yellow highlighter in
your hand because it's really a textbook. It's written kind
of like a textbook on how to become an activist,
what we can do in order to exact change at
the local level, and things like that. So it's really

(02:53):
election integrity base and things like that. So I'm proud
of it, and I hope all of you are as well.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
All Right, thank you for that intro. We got a
couple of topics we're going to cover here. One that
you sent to me we're going to talk about. So
tell me why you're against President Donald Trump for a
third term in office despite voting for him three times.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, I would never want to vote for him a
fourth time. And it's real simple. I'm going to I'm
a limited government guy, and I'm not looking at what's
happening right now. I'm looking at God forbid, what happens
in the future. Would I love to have someone like
President Trump, like a JD. Vance, that could carry the
torch moving forward with conservative principles and America First values. Absolutely,

(03:37):
But politicians are like dirty diapers. They need to be
changed and changed often. Now I'm not saying that President
Trump would turn on us or anything like that, but
I look at it from one standpoint and one standpoint only.
What if God forbid in the future we switch to
three terms or longer, and we get a communist back

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in office, and now we have that communist for three
terms or God forbid, four terms, that is the end
of America. So I am vehemently against President Trump running
for a third term. I think JD. Vance is extremely smart.
I think it was a great pick. I think he's
articulate as hell, and I think that all he has
to do is take this economy because at the end

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of these four years, it's going to be a candy
apple Red Ferrari in perfect pristine condition, and all he
has to do is say, JD, here's the keys to
the Ferrari. Don't wipe it out, don't crash it, don't
go too fast around the turns. All you got to
do is run on my policies and just say, hey, look,
I was part of your administration, and therefore I'm going

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to run on America First policies. And I think he
would be able to win handedly against anyone. So that
is one of the other reasons why I am against
President Trump having a third term.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Okay, yeah, I mean, and there's a lot of discussion about,
you know, because it wasn't three consecutive terms that you know,
he could possibly run. There's also discussion about, well, okay,
let's run JD. Vance with Trump as his VP. And
then as soon as JD. Vance is elected president, he says, okay,
I'm going to go ahead and resign, and then Trump

(05:19):
is the you know.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah, And you know, he should never have said that
publicly because that could hurt JD in twenty twenty eight,
because then the left will run around saying, well, if
you're going to vote for JD, you're really voting for
President Trump again, and we know how much the left
absolutely vilifies President Trump, So why would we want to
hurt jd Vance with independence and all that and have

(05:40):
him take that narrative that, oh, no, I'm going to
be different, I'm going to be my own person, and no,
I'm not going to step down and let President Trump.
Then you're not talking about policies, you're not talking about
America First principles. You're defending yourself from these prostitutes in
the media that are going to be all over us,
you know, basically saying oh, look it's again, you know,

(06:01):
so we don't need that. I think it's a distraction.
He's a smart man, President Trump, but sometimes he says
things publicly that I wish you would. Right.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
No, that's a good point. All right, let's talk about
this other topic. So we've seen a lot of the
news about these activist judges, you know, blocking or trying
to block Trump from everything from deporting illegal immigrants to
really just everything else. So you mentioned how can we
stop these activist judges and use the Aliens Enemies Act?

(06:31):
So tell us a little bit about that.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
Yeah, I mean, even before that, I mean, of course,
Speaker Johnson has mentioned that he could defund these district courts.
That's certainly one way to go. The other way to
go is the No Rogue Rulings Act that Congressman darryl
Issa has introduced. That would of course take these nationwide

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injunctions and remove their ability to do them nationwide, and
they would only be an injunction in the in the
district in which they represent. That would be the second choice.
A third choice would probably be what they're looking at
doing right now. You could do Recision Act, you know,
you could cut back on them as well, and then

(07:16):
of course you do have the the Alien Enemies Act. Now,
the Alien Enemies Act is definitely more controversial, and I'm
not sure that he would do that. But if you
really want to stop these judges, including by the way,
even the Supreme Court, all you have to do is
declare war. And if you do declare war and that

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there's a quote invasion into the country, then you have
to repel that invasion.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
None of these.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
District courts or even the Supreme Court for that matter,
can get involved. Now, normally, when you do a declaration
of war that comes from Congress, right, Congress gets together,
they discuss it, and then they vote on it, and
then if they give him the declaration, then he can
declin war. However, the executive branch vested in the President

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of the United States has inherent authority in the case
of an invasion, to bypass all of that and actually
declare war and say that we are being invaded, which
of course we are right twenty seven thirty million illegal aliends,
whatever the number is, they're into the country and we
are have to repel them. So if he was to

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do that, none of these district court judges would be
able to do anything, So that's another thing. And then
of course he could have PAMBONDI take a look at
Boseburg and take a look at some of these other
judges and see what their ties are to these NGOs,
see what their ties are to USA and many of
these other agencies of the government that they may be

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connected to. So and remember Boseburg basically came as from
the FISA courts. He was a FISA Court judge, so
he's in charge of the you know, the Carter Page
spy warrants and all these other things. And who appoints
the eleven judges on the PISA Court One person and

(09:11):
one person only. John G. Roberts Junior, which is why
I called John G. Roberts Junior, the Chief Justice of
the Supreme Court, the godfather of the administrative deep State.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, I mean, I agree with you there. I'm not
a fan of Chief Justice Roberts at all. He's made
some terrible rulings. He's signed with, you know, liberals on
the court. Allegedly he has some dirt on him.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Supposedly he has a lot of dirt on him, in
particular his adopted children from Ireland.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
I've heard about that.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
I'm the one that kind of exposed it many many
years ago. There's a video right now on my ex
on it. But basically what happened was him and his
wife were having trouble conceiving. They're a little bit on
the older side, and they wanted to have some kids,
but they didn't want to go through the rigmarole of
going through the adoption process here in America. They have
property in Ireland. They go to Ireland quite a bit,

(10:07):
and so they went and they bypassed America's rules and
laws and they adopted a little boy or a little girl, who,
by the way, now are probably eighteen and twenty, right,
And this is a long time ago. And again what
happened was there's an undercover tape in which Barack Obama
bribed John G. Roberts to get the last vote, the

(10:30):
vote that they needed to pass the Unaffordable Careless Act,
as I like to call it. And that tape I
put it in that video and it's John Brennan and
James Clapper. They recorded him and they said, look, we
know about your illegal adoption in Ireland. So you have
a choice. You either give us the vote that we
need on Obamacare or this is going to the New

(10:53):
York Times and good luck to you by nine o'clock
tomorrow morning.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
So he folded.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
That's the truth.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Right, But what do you say to allegations that Roberts
is also tied somehow to Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Is that just that's a possibility.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
I don't know. I mean, I have seen the Little
Black Book. I've done numerous shows on it. His name,
as far as I know, is not in it. But
he's also part of this secret group with Kantanji Brown,
Jackson and Boseburg and a bunch of others. So he's
compromised either way. And you know, the sad reality here

(11:30):
is that He should have never have been chief Justice
because during that time, during George W. Bush Is presidency,
Chief Justice William Rehnquist passed away during the confirmation process.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
With John G.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Roberts Junior, and instead of making an associate Justice, they
kicked him all the way up to Chief Justice, and
then Alito followed right afterwards. Alito would have been great
as Chief Justice, but again he is also the associate
Justice at the same time.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Those were the two choices.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Thank god we didn't have Harriet Myers, right, that was
like Trump's or not Trump's. That was George W. Bush's
like chief of staff or something or chief counsel, and
he wanted to put her on, and there was a
huge revolt of course, with conservatives saying, heck, no, we're
not doing that. So at least, you know, we didn't
have that. But yeah, so he really should never have

(12:24):
been chief Justice.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Is there anything that can be done? Like to remove him?
I'd like to see Justice Thomas as the chief Justice.
Is there any way we can make that happen.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
It's pretty tough to remove a Supreme Court justice. I
think in the history of the Court it might have
been done once or twice. Tops and that proceeding takes
a very long time. With such a thin margin in Congress,
it's almost an impossible act, just as it is to

(12:55):
impeach one of these judges, right, And that's why Andy
Biggs God blessed, and I hope he's Arizona's next governor.
He has said, he said, look, I've had enough. These
judges need to go, and we don't have to wait
for an impeachment. And he introduced a legislation this week
and it basically says that these judges have to be

(13:17):
on I can't think what it's called, not like an
honor's called, but something like you have to honor the
Constitution and if you don't, then you can be removed
from the bench. So he's introduced, you know, legislation like
that as well, so we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, it's interesting. I think there's actually language. I don't
know if it's in the Constitution itself, but maybe it's
constitutional case laws something like that. But yeah, there's language
that the judges have to show basically good behavior.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, right, good behavior clause. You're correct, that's what it
was called. They couldn't think of it, but.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, I mean I don't know if I would clarify,
you know, what Justice Roberts is on his good behavior.
But you know, if there's an investigation done into some
of his finances, into maybe some of his adoption practices,
if there was an actual investigation done, that could potentially
qualify under you know, batter and so maybe there'd be

(14:18):
some case there.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Well. One of the things that I talk about in
preserving liberty is we have to figure out a way
to rein in the secretive courts, right the phis A Court.
Think about this. The Pisa Court has been around since
the nineteen seventies and they have a ninety nine point
nine percent acceptance rate on spy warrants. They have only

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denied twelve warrants in their entire history. So you have
another court that is just about as powerful as the
Supreme Court, working parallel in secrecy, rubber stamping our freedoms away.
So what I suggest in the book is, at a
very minimal, a very very minimum, why don't we at

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least take away the power from the Chief Justice of
the United States Supreme Court to appoint these eleven justices
and instead give that power back to the Senate through
an advice and consent of a confirmation process so that
we have oversight and overhead over these judges. That's just

(15:22):
one thing that I talk about. There's ten legislative solutions
in the book, and that's why I picked Congressman Paul
Gosar so that he can introduce some of these things
in the next Congress.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Well that's a great point, So you know, I do
recommend everyone check out that book, read those different different
approaches to fixing these problems with these activist judges. But
I do want to talk about one other things. So
if you were watching the stock market today, this is
almost like breaking news. There's a lot of rumors about it.

(15:53):
But President Trump has said that, to my understanding, there
is going to be a pause, a ninety day pause
on the tariffs except for China. So every country except
for China, they've all come to the table. They're all
negotiating down the tariffs they charged to the United States,
except for China, which has increased them. Well, Europe's increased

(16:14):
it too, but you know, Trump's giving Europe a pass
right now. But China he's increased the tariffs. So let's
talk a little bit about that. The stock market reacted
very favorably today, basically making up huge gains of previous
losses over this news. So talk a little bit about
these tariffs and what's going on.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Well, first and foremost, this may sound as a shock,
I'm actually disappointed that he stopped or paused these tariffs.
And here's the reason why. If you're going to have
a sick patient and you're operating on the sick patient,
and then you have to wait for the recovery period
of that sick patient to get better, well, what if

(16:57):
you've done now is you've kept that sick patient in
a coma a little bit longer, maybe sixty days, maybe
ninety days. So you are prolonging the inevitable. And what
I don't like about it is the fact that China
and other countries can cheat. You know, one of the
things that Howard Lutnik was talking about, because they asked him,
why are you putting tariffs on little tiny islands in

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the South Pacific, you know that no one even does
any business with, and he said, simple, because China will
use those to go around the tariffs. So I think
again that he should keep them all on all of
these things. Let's suffer the pain, let's have the short
term pain for the long term gain. Remember, the midterms

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are going to be upon us in no time. So
do we want the recovery to start like a month
or two months before the midterms or if you stick
with it, then you could be already on, you know,
the recovery path by I don't know as early as
this October, but more like November, December or January February

(18:02):
of twenty twenty six, where you'll have plenty of time
for the American people to see that. Yes, all of
this work. But here's the thing. We know that Tariff's work.
Why do we know that because he did it in
his first term and it was extremely successful. This time
he's doing it one hundred times more, which means it's
going to be even that much more successful. But I'll

(18:24):
give you another reason why the economy is going to skyrocket,
and it's very simple. Seven trillion dollars, seven trillion dollars
has been allocated or supported or put forward into the
US economy That has never happened in such a short
amount of time seventy five days in the history of

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the United States. Okay, these gold cards. Howard Ludnik is
a genius he's one of my favorite cabinet members, to
be quite honest, he's a genius. These these five million
dollar gold cards, they're genius. He sold seventeen hundred of
them already in two and a half to three weeks.
Think of all that money that's coming in, and quite frankly,

(19:08):
no one's talking about this. The Constitution Pipeline, the Constitution
Pipeline in New York, in Western New York, which, by
the way, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire, and
Maine are all on board with this thing. But of
course New York and their environmental wackos are holding out.
But it will get done, even if it has to

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be done through eminent domain. The people in New England
are going to have a dollar twenty five a dollar
fifty gas, and they know their electric and energy bills
are going to drop by I don't know, sixty percent,
sixty five percent, So that's come in as well. Keystone
Pipeline and wir right, the National Alaska National Wildlife Refuge

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that's being opened up, Drilling off the shore of Florida,
drilling off the shore of Louisiana, drilling into North Dakota,
drilling into Colorado and of course tax can we forget Texas.
So we are going to be the energy dominant country
where all the other countries around the world are going
to stop going to Saudi Arabia and they're going to

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start coming to us. That's why when President Trump says
we have quote liquid gold under our feet, that is
what he is referring to.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Well, good point. And there's some more breaking news. I
believe President Trump announced in Arizona. I think it was
the Choya coal plant. So he announced that he's going
to keep that open. He's going to continue producing coal power.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
He calls it.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
I think big, beautiful coal, clean, clean burning coal.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
What time is that in? Is that down near the
I believe it's our national forest down there.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Most of the coal fire plants in Arizona were on
the Indian Reservation. They typically work with the Indian Reservation
Superior and the article I saw I mentioned Choya, so
I'm not really sure on that one. I know there
are a number of coal fire planters, a couple that
were recently shut down by SRP, the one of the
electric utilities here. I wonder if that can be resurrected.

(21:08):
But my understanding is they were extremely efficient. They produced
a huge amount of electricity, and they had installed some
basically like carbon scrubbers recently on their stacks that made
them much more efficient, much more environmentally friendly. And then
of course, you know, Obama said, well it doesn't matter,

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shut them down. Fortunately, the minunderstanding is the board at
SRP became much more liberal and they decided, well, we're
we're gonna go ahead and shut it down, and we're gonna,
you know, focus on alternative energy and solar and stuff
like that instead of what was what was effective for Arizona.

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And we saw that kind of in the huge rate
increase both APS and SRP in Arizona, the electric utilities
had huge, huge rate increases. They continue, APS continues to
ask the Corporate Commission Corporation Commission for raid increases. But
I do hope that this new EPA and Trump working

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with some of these coal fire plants, they're going to
be able to either keep open or reopen some of them,
and hopefully we'll see a reduced electric bill. But I'm
not sure because of some of these board members on
SRP and APS, they're just incredibly liberal and sometimes they

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just ignore what the administration and the EPA is saying
and they say, well, we're going to do this anyways.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Right, Well, look, I mean MORENCI has been you know,
the keystone if you will, in Arizona for many, many,
many years. But we have had you know, minds that
were in Drome, We've had them in Superior, We've had
them in Globe. You know, we've had them all over
the place. And you know, they're really not at full capacity.

(23:00):
I mean they're operating some of them, but they're not
at full capacity. So I would love to see a
revitalization of those mines, you know, and start putting some
extra money into it, and let's start pumping it out
and let's start making it more so we'll see what happens.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Yeah, no, that makes sense. And you know, mining in
Arizona is another thing. If you look at the gold
spot price, it's it's near an all time high, almost
thirty one.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
The silver price is up, I believe it was twenty
eight dollars and everything including copper, which Arizona's famous obviously,
yeah copy, yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Up as well.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
So I would like to see Arizona re explore some
of the mining options you know, of course the clean
coal options. Arizona was famous and well known for cattle.
I'd like this to see de doing that. I mean,
the US government has been really exterminating cattle on a

(23:58):
wide basis under this false GUIs of oh, you know,
there's you know, avian bird flu or mad cow disease.
So we're gonna go ahead and kill you know, ten
thousand head of cattle. And that's that's caused increase in prices.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
With chickens, we're gonna call you know, six million chickens
every six months. That's one of the things that the
Trump administration you know, immediately ended and we've seen a
reduction in eight prices because of that, and you know,
it's amazing. I haven't seen an outbreak of bird flu.
I haven't seen a whole bunch of deaths for bird flu,
which kind of proves that whole thing was a scam.

(24:37):
So I would like to see that as well. But
what are the chances of doing that in Arizona while
we're under our communist cartel Governor Katie Hobbs.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yeah, I mean, look, I want to see the legislature
not you know, give her a pass like you know,
they just did. I mean, we need a full investigation
into this three hundred you know, million dollars, and quite frankly,
i'd like to see them do an investigation into the
twenty twenty two midterms because I'll say it publicly, Hobbs

(25:10):
and of course Fontes and Maze, all three of them,
they're not legitimate. I'll say it publicly. I got no
problems saying That's why I'm one of the more censored
people in the country. But all three of them ought
to be investigated. And look, you know, President Trump has
signed all these executive orders, and I'm not a fan
of executive orders at all. I understand why he's doing

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it because he has to undo the damage. But this
is political whack a mole.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
You know, four years from now, god forbid, a communist
takes over, they're going to undo everything that he's done.
So his accomplishments right now are basically, you know, on
astro turf. And that's what I talk about in Preserving Liberty,
which is why it's titled Bold and Brave Solutions. To
save America and create permanent, permanent freedom, we have to

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codify all of these games. Give you a perfect example
of how activism works on the local level. Look at Wisconsin.
I believe that they stole the Supreme Court seat. I
said that publicly, but we had a major victory. What
was that major victory. We bypassed Governor Evers, we bypassed
the leftists in the Wisconsin Assembly, and we went directly

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to the people and said, hey, would you like to
codify the Wisconsin Constitution with mandatory voter ID Yes or no.
Seventy to thirty baby in favor of it. And so
now that's going to be a really good thing for
twenty twenty six, twenty twenty eight and future elections. President
Trump's done all these executive orders, but the one executive
order he hasn't done is we need a lot more

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DEI director of Election Integrity. That's what I need. We
need a Department of Election Integrity. He could sign that
executive order in two seconds. He could fill it with
the best and the brightest minds. Jovon, pulled Blitzer, Joel Hoft,
so many other great forensic auditors, and then boom, let

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them go to town. Let's doge the voter rolls in Arizona,
in Wisconsin, in Michigan, in Georgia, you know, North Carolina, Pennsylvania.
Let's go and do what we have to do. And
the first place they should start would be the five
House races in California that stole at the last minute

(27:28):
to keep our majority lower. Right, Once you figure those out,
then of course you go and you look at the
Senate races. We should not be happy with fifty three
Senate seats. We should be happy with fifty seven Senate
seats because they stole carry Lake. Is anyone going to
believe that Trump wins by five points in Arizona and
everyone goes, you know, I like Trump, but I think

(27:49):
i'll vote for that Kami gego instead of carry Give
me a brick. Okay, this is the McCain machine still
working in the shadows. They've got to be destroyed. And
the only way you're going to do that is if
you're going to doge these voter rolls and clear everything out.
We got Debbie LESCo on the Board of Supervisors. It's
now four to one Republicans. We've got justin heaps. So

(28:11):
there are some things that are coming together for Arizona,
but certainly not enough. And so that's where I would
like to see some concentration, we find out those Senate seats.
Then we go to twenty twenty two's midterms, we find
out what happened here, We find out what happened with
Tutor Dixon in Michigan. You know, we find out all
of those things. And then finally then we go back

(28:32):
to twenty twenty and once we go back and we
clear everything up and we codify these things. Look, I've
said this before. If President Trump can do two things
codified into law before these midterms, it'll wipe out thirty
five to forty percent of all voter fraud. Very simple.
Number one, the Save Act, mandatory voter ID in all
fifty states, and of course ban every single person who

(28:57):
is not a legal citizen from any level of government
and being able to vote in our elections. Then go
after the census, kick these people out of the country
that are illegal. And let's pull back these redistricting and
get rid of a lot of these Democrat seats. Let's
go and do a lot of that. And of course
we want to get rid of the machines that are
connected to the internet. We want to get rid of voting,

(29:18):
you know, season and have something reasonable maybe six seven
days before the election. I want to get rid of
sandbagging so we don't have what happened to herschel Walker,
you know in Georgia where I called my buddy from
voter Ga Garland Favorrito on the phone. I'm looking at everything.
I go, Garland, what's going on? Man? I'm noticing Fulton
County is not reporting. Everything else is reporting. Everything else

(29:41):
is solid red, and that's bright blue. And he goes, yeah,
they're sandbagging, Josh. They're figuring out how many votes they
need and then they're going to report to the media. Oh,
we're not one bio whisker. Right, We've got to stop
all that. I come up with election integrity stuff in
this book as well, including balancing the electorate. You know,
there's three and forty three counties or county equivalents in

(30:04):
the United States of America. Do you know where the
population of fifty percent of the country lives.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
In the cities. It's in the cities.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
One hundred and forty four counties. That means there's two
nine and ninety nine counties in this country that literally
have no say in any of who their elected officials are.
So how can we sit here with a straight face
and say that we are you know, for the people,
you know, formed by the people. When five percent are

(30:31):
making the decision for the other ninety five percent, we've
got to change that. I talk about micropolitan cities. I
talk about metropolitan cities, and I talk about doing what
Nebraska and Maine does, which is apportion them based on
counties rather than by state. If we did that, we
would exercise the power structure directly from the big blue

(30:56):
cities and give it back to its rightful owners. We
the people talk about that in Chapter three, which is
called balance in the Electorate.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
No, that's a great point.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
And to some of your comments, I absolutely believe that
we need to have a federal investigation into elections, specifically
in Arizona. And there's nothing stopping, you know, FBI Director
Cashpttel from commissioning that right now. He can say, you
know what, We're gonna go ahead and open a special
investigations unit in Arizona. We're going to investigate the elections there.

(31:25):
He absolutely should do that, or you know, Vice Director Bongino,
he should do that as well. Pam Bondi could do
that for example. They don't even have to wait for Trump.
But if not, then Trump needs to do it and
then talk a little bit. In Arizona Maricopa County, they
call it merrit Corruption County or Merrick Cartel County, you know,

(31:46):
all those different things. But I absolutely believe that it
should be divided into at least four different counties. There
was actually a bill that the legislator in legislature introduced
a little while ago. Of course that was you know,
killed in committee, but it should be broken up. There's
a lot of corruptions still there. I know that DeBie

(32:06):
LESCo is on you know, the board.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Now.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Unfortunately, I haven't really seen that much action or movement.
I do know that justin Heat just put out a
press release I think it was today that you know,
there's an agreement over a lawsuit. They're gonna make sure
that non citizens are not on the voter rolls and
that they're not able to vote. Finally, I think Doge
and Elon Musk discovered that up to two million illegals

(32:34):
have obtained Social Security numbers, some of them are registered
to vote, some of them are voting in our elections,
and that absolutely needs to be stopped. That just for instance,
that you know Cartel, Katie Hobbs, Chris Mays, and Adrian Fontes,
and even Senator Rubio that none of them were legitimately elected,
so that all needs to be investigated. But talk a

(32:56):
little bit about Mayrkopa County.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Well, look, you have fifteen counties in Arizona. This is
a very large state, very wide open state, and sixty
percent of the population maybe sixty five percent, sixty two
somewhere around there, lives in basically two counties, Maricopa and Pima.
Now Maricopa is basically a fifty two to forty eight

(33:20):
Republican county. But when you kick in the voter fraud,
and now all of a sudden, that seven eight, nine,
ten percent of extra voter fraud turns it into a
blue county. You know, there's a lot of areas that
are red. Of course in Maricopa County. Pima, that's a
whole nother animal. That's what's sixty thirty probably right, sixty
percent Democrat, thirty percent Republican.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Well, again, we don't want a disaster. We don't have
the physical immigrants are voting there, we don't know.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Exactly, and so we have to clean these things up.
And the only way you're going to clean it up
is if we doge the voter rolls. And the only
way we can do that is if the federal government. Again,
I'm not a fan of executive action, but in some
cases it is necessary. We need more DEI. We need
a Department of Election Integrity, and it could be an
easy thing to do. They could then fill it with

(34:08):
all the best minds and brightest people, and you could
have an entire team that is assigned. Okay, so let's say,
for instance, I don't know Charlie Kirk and turning point,
they're assigned to Arizona, you know. Or this group of
people are assigned to Michigan. Right, you know, what's your name?
Mc murray? You know in Michigan And I can't think

(34:31):
this name, Matt you know the other guy that was
running at Secretary of State. What I'm saying is we
can put the best people in different areas, Right, Garland
Favorrito in Georgia could head up that one, you know,
and so and so on and so forth. That's what
we need to do. We need to have this Department
of Election Integrity, and I've been pushing for it. You know,

(34:51):
I was on Wayne Allen Roots Show. I was on
Doctor Drew's show. I was on so many different shows
talking about it, but so far, you know, he hasn't
done it, and I can't understand why he needs to.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
No, that's a great point. And you mentioned Charlie Kirk
in turning point. There is a it's interesting. There's a
tweet that was put out today by em O Robinson.
She's one of the large X accounts. I'm trying to
find it. Okay, yeah, here, well there's a couple one
of them. She put out one tweet and she said,
this is a direct quote. You're about to find out

(35:25):
that all the brave people who were called election deniers
and conspiracy theorists after the twenty twenty election were right.
And there's another quote that she put out. Let me
just read this other one. This was today. She said,
oh shoot, I'm not finding it right now. Let's see
if I can find it.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Let's see do.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Okay, this might be it. Mmmm, No, that's not it. Anyway,
she was talking, she was questioning Charlie Kirk and turning point,
and she was saying, you know, is President Trump correct
on elections or is Charlie Kirk talking about you know,
banking your vote? Vote early, you know, mail in ballots.

(36:12):
Is he correct? So she seems to be questioning what
is largely understood as Turning Point in Charlie Kirk's strategy
of early voting, you know, ballot chasing, and they're widely
encouraging mail and voting. But many people are saying, you know,
that strategy doesn't work. If we look at the Wisconsin race,

(36:34):
the Lancaster County Pennsylvania race, I mean, Charlie Kirk and
Turning Point and Scott Pressler, they were all over there
on the ground. They were pushing it through their app, texting,
door knocking, ballot chasing, vote, early banker vote, and those
were historic losses. In the case of Lancaster County, Pennsylvania

(36:56):
that I believe was a Senate seat was held for
thirty five consecutive years by a Republican, so really a
shocking loss. Many say that, either, you know, that proves
that this ballot chasing, this early voting, this mail in voting,
it doesn't work. It simply doesn't work. And other people
are alleging that, you know, Turning Point and Scott Presser

(37:19):
because they were registering low propensity voters and then those
voters they're ballots. Whether it was fraud or you know, whatever,
the result is, those ballots were cast for the Democrat.
The Democrat won because those low propensity voters they registered
were cast for the Democrat. They're directly responsible for those losses.
So talk about that a little bit.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Well, I mean, I know Cliff Maloney from Pennsylvania, Chase,
and I know some other folks in Pennsylvania. I will
say this, I'm not a fan of early voting and
I'm not a fan of mail in ballots. That's for
darn shore. However, what we did in this last election,
including myself, which said I would never vote other than

(38:04):
on election day, but we saw what they did to
the machines in Maricopa County in twenty twenty two, and
so by encouraging everybody to vote early, we were able
to win that election. Now here's the other reasons why
we won this election in twenty twenty four. Because in
twenty twenty when we knew that the election was stolen,

(38:25):
we knew that there was voter fraud. We know.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
I mean Mike.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Lindell, I've talked to him numerous times and other people
from twenty five to twenty eighteen, on election night and
then it all switched. Okay, Trump blew him away completely
on election night, and then of course they did what
they did right. So what happened was in twenty twenty,
we were reactive to litigation. However, with Lara Trump and

(38:52):
Michael Watley and the new RNC, they were proactive. They
filed one hundred and eighteen lawsuits, including eighty seven of
them in the seven swing states, and these judges didn't
back away and say there's no standing. So, in other words,
when Jocelyn Benson said, ah, don't worry about that signature
that looks like it says Mickey Mouse and doesn't match

(39:13):
the ballot or the envelope, don't worry. We're gonna count
it anyway, we filed lawsuits against that, saying, ah, I
don't think so. And guess what, the judges took these
cases and we won all these cases. So they did
try to cheat. Let's remember that they absolutely tried to cheat,
but we were able to stop them. That's number two
and number three. God bless Charlie Kirk and Scott Presler

(39:36):
and Cliff Maloney and Pennsylvania Chase and all of these
organizations and groups that went out and they did what
they did, So I actually disagree. I think that we
only won the election because of the activism. Now, if
you look at this from another standpoint, special elections almost
always have low turnout for Republicans. I don't know why

(39:58):
that is, but they always do when it comes to
general elections and midterms. Even midterms are a little bit less,
but obviously general elections that's when Republicans wake up and
they come out to vote. But these special elections can't
really be They can be a microcosm, but not a
macrocosm as to what's going to happen in twenty twenty six.

(40:19):
Because if Doge does what they need to do, and
we can get Congress to pass and codify these trillion
dollar cuts and they send out five thousand dollars checks,
how are you going to vote against that?

Speaker 1 (40:31):
What I mean?

Speaker 3 (40:31):
And then we get rid of the Internal Revenue Service
and call it the External Revenue Service again. Genius Howard
Ludnick's idea, what are the Democrats going to run on?
Vote for us? We'll bring back the irs? I mean,
it's insane, right, So what I'm saying is there's generational change.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
That is at our fingertips.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
If we can just get these Republicans on board, and
get them on board right away. As great as Doge is,
it's not about cutting waste, fraud, and abuse. What it's
about is finding out the crimes that have been committed
by hundreds, if not thousands of people. And once they
put those reports together, Remember there's four hundred and thirty

(41:11):
eight agencies of the US government. DOATS has been in
about thirty maybe thirty five of them. There's still four
hundred plus agencies to go and look what they have
found already. Could you just imagine what they're going to
find in the additional four hundred. So what I'm saying
is the crimes and all the things that have happened,

(41:32):
from the investigations to the money laundering, to the racketeering,
to the I mean we're talking conspiracy, treason, We're talking
a lot of different things. And they're going to put
together this huge, huge report. And I hope that President
Trump has the testicular fortitude to direct Pam Bondi to

(41:53):
start prosecuting these people. I don't know if he will.
I am hopeful that he will, But those are the
types of things that we need to do. And get
them done before the twenty twenty six mid terms. And
if we can do that and the economy starts coming back,
which it will, that's going to be very hard to beat.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Right, that's a good point. I'm going to partially disagree
with you on a couple items though. So for one,
the recent President Trump won was because the country was
being destroyed. The economy was being destroyed. You know, EIG
prices were up, gas prices were up. People were sick
of just this insane communist invasion to our border, you know,

(42:32):
the trans agenda. That's why President Trump won. But if
you look in Arizona, a lot of the down ballot
races were stolen. Senator Reuben Diegeo that was stolen, a
lot of the school board races were stolen, absolutely stolen.
Even some of the ballot initiatives were stolen. And then
you mentioned in California a number of the House of
Representative seats that were stolen. So you know, President Trump

(42:55):
won that race. It had nothing to do with Charlie
Kirk and turning points and Scott Pressler. And if you
look at the data, there's a website out there. It's
a real Scott Pressler dot com. It examines the accuracy
of some of his claims that he made in Pennsylvania
registering Amish voters, registering voters there in Pennsylvania, Scott Presser

(43:17):
did not deliver Pennsylvania for President Trump. In fact, President
Trump handily won Pennsylvania in twenty twenty against Joe Biden
and then again against Kamala Harris. So really no time,
no money should have been spent there at all. And
the data shows that his claims about registration numbers were
completely inflated. Even his own number two employee at Early

(43:40):
Vote Action claims just nine days earlier, it was only
ten thousand voters that they registered. So if you look
at the actual data again real Scott Presler dot com,
their claims were completely inflated. There's a lot of reports
that they were harassing voters to vote early. It didn't work.
To turnout was the same that it was there claims

(44:02):
that over voters didn't turn out.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
That was false. All those claims were false. It was not.
I didn't have anything to do with Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Turning point, Scott Presser was President Trump and the economy
and the border invasion that won Trump and that's why
all the down ballot races were lost slash stolen and uh,
you know, all this ballot chasing and early voting, it's
completely ineffective against voter fraud and and and that's that's
with the data shows that's the reality of it.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
So I do partially disagree with you on that.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
And and Arizona is a great example, So you know,
I I do hope that we're going to focus on
strategies that that win, strategies that reduced fraud, strategies that
are that are proven, and not these these unvalidated claims.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
These in these inflated claims.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
You know, there's a lot of money to be made
by Charlie Kirk and Scott Pressler by claiming this, but
the reality is they're they're simply not effective.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Well again, I would probably, you know, respectfully disagree. I
think that getting the people out to vote early and
sadly having to play the left's game of guerrilla warfare
and ballot harvesting and banking and all this stupid stuff
that we don't normally do as Republicans that we were
forced to do because of the theft that has been

(45:25):
going on in all these elections. I do think that
a lot of that early activity led to this victory.
But you know that's something we could you know.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, I mean I think that the data is simply
not there. If you look at Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, I mean,
Trump was not in that election, and those were historic defeats,
you know, turning points. Scott Presser were famously putting all
their efforts fundraising their app they're on the ground, and
those were just tremendous losses. So you just have to
look at the reality of it. I mean, those were

(45:54):
huge losses. Their methods simply don't work.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Well, how do you explain a seventy percent victory for
voter ID codified into the constitution. Then well, that's that
people were voting. I'll tell you how, because I had
Democrats weren't voting for that.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Well no, So I had several activists from Wisconsin, including Milwaukee,
on my show we talked about that. And the reality
is in Wisconsin they had voter I t ID already
that was it was already there. It simply wasn't in
the constitution. And then if you look actually at the
statistics of approval ratings for voter ID, even a lot

(46:32):
of Democrats are for it, and some election integrity experts
would say, because voter ID is simply not used in
the theft. If you're going to steal an election, for example,
like a drop box, where's the voter ID there?

Speaker 3 (46:47):
You need to get rid of drop boxes. I agree
with you there, but that's what they're saying.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
So they're like, yeah, let's have voter ID.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Because they're keeping the drop boxes, they're going to keep
illegals with social Security numbers voting. They have IDs, they
have driver's license.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
They may they may not.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
I mean, if this two million plus illegal aliens that
they found through DOGE, they may be able to figure
out not only prosecutions, but more importantly, to codify and
get rid of these illegals being able to vote in
our elections. So look, I definitely agree with you that
it ain't perfect. It was better than it was in

(47:23):
twenty twenty two, but it's certainly nowhere near where it
needs to be, which is why again I keep saying
that we need a Department of Election Integrity. I'm not
a big government guy, nor do I believe in expanding
the size of our government, but in certain circumstances, like
for instance, that absolutely we need to have something like that.
Like I said, DOGE is great, and I think it's good,

(47:45):
but the reality of DOGE is it's not necessarily about waste, fraud,
and abuse. It's about finding the people that have committed
these crimes throughout all of these years, throughout all of
these organizations and NGOs and US eight and all the
rest of them, getting rid of these people and prosecuting them.
Right now, the Department of Justice is not prosecuting people,

(48:07):
and they need to be.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
And one of the.

Speaker 3 (48:09):
Reasons they're not is because they're dealing with these idiot activists,
left wing, radical extremist judges that are trying to stop
them at every moment.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
So what are they doing.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
They're putting other resources into having to defend all of
these judges.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
The good news is we still have.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Three years in what nine months left or whatever it
is to get some of these things done. But these
midterms are going to be on us, you know, in
a very short amount of time, and that's why we
need to start codifying some of this stuff. I mean, look,
I like Anna Paulina a Luna, but for her to
kind of you know, have a baby and then say sorry,

(48:45):
we're taking a week off because I'm putting my flip down.
I don't agree with that at all. They should have
been in Washington, they should have stayed in Washington. They
should have voted on the No Rogue Rulings Act immediately
and gotten that thing to the Senate because there's a
similar bill by Grassley in the Senate. But again, we're
not part of the legislature, right, we're not part of
quote unquote Washington politics. We're just coming from the outside,

(49:09):
but as activists, which is what I am. You know,
I put out the phone number, I put out the information,
the emails and all that contact these people. And I
have personally seen movement and leverage based on activism. And
that's again something that I talk about, you know, in
my book, because all change starts at the local level.

(49:29):
You know, a good idea can't become a great idea
until it's acted upon, and so that's.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
What we have to do.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yeah, I agree, and I agree with you that you know,
this Congress has totally failed. It was it was a
so for me maybe about a month ago, but I
did an analysis and a report and I believe it
was only it was it was about four bills that
the Congress had delivered in like two and a half
months to President Trump. So you know, my analysis was, well,

(49:58):
this is just a couple of days work for the Congress,
for them to you know, introduce a bill on the
floor and vote on it. That's a couple of days
of work. I understand that their staff may have some
you know, additional days prep work for that. But for
the Congress, they've done basically nothing. I mean, they they
and and that's all by design. You mentioned the California
Senate or House steats that were stolen. You know, of

(50:20):
course in Arizona that seat was stolen. That was all
to reduce the majority, to increase the influence of the
Rhinos in Congress, because of course they're opposed to President Trump.
They don't want his his his initiatives to be codified.
He didn't want They don't want his executive orders to
be codified.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
I absolutely agree with you, one hundred percent. They are
fighting him tooth and nail. They don't understand the historic
moment that we are in right now in American history,
where if they would just get on the Trump train
and get everything done, they would number one be in
power a lot longer than they probably will be. But

(51:00):
number two, we would be able to codify all of
these great gains and put them into law. And that
is where the focus needs to be, not on executive
action and executive orders. Where's the legislation. I one hundred
percent agree with you on that. And you know, one
of the best roles that Elon Musk could play is

(51:22):
the enforcer Trump's consigliere. If you will, right, you get
these rhinos into a room and no phones, know nothing,
lock them down and say, look, here's how it's gonna go.
You're gonna vote for President Trump's agenda. And if you don't,
well then you're not going to be a member of
Congress anymore because I've got the money, the power, and

(51:44):
the clout to put you out. So you dare vote
against this agenda and it'll be the last vote you
ever take. And I'm serious about it. We need someone
like that to come in there and just absolutely lay
down the law. And the only person that's got the
cash to be able to do something like that and
the power is Elon Musk. Sadly he's too nice of

(52:05):
a guy, but that's what he needs to do. President
Trump needs to say, look, thank you so much for
doing what you're doing with Dode. I need you to
get these people in line. I need you to start
whipping them hard. Okay, Rakowski needs to get whipped. And
I'm saying politically speaking, of course, you know all the
John Lewis, you know, Susan Collins, all the you know,

(52:26):
all the rest of these people. They need to be
put in line that you're not going to not vote
for President Trump's agenda. And sadly, we have to take
those gorilla type tactics because we do have such a small,
you know, advantage in the House. It's better in the Senate.
Once it gets to the Senate, it'll probably pass. But
people like Mitch McConnell, right, resting Mitch face as I

(52:48):
like to call him, Yeah, someone like that, you know,
he needs to be put in line as well.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
So we'll see what happens. Okay. And and and that's
a good point.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
And you know, one of the things I've been one
of the vigils, I've been critical of his speaker Johnson.
I mean, I believe speakers Johnson's are Westing. He does
not Big Johnson. Yeah, he does not have what it
takes in order to enact this change. I think he
was just just today was announced he's going to delay
a vote on one of Trump's bills. I'm not sure

(53:20):
if it's the Safe Act or what it is, but
he's he's basically delaying it. I mean, all you have
to do is look at how much Speaker Johnson shilled
for Ukraine. I mean, he was like, our number one
priority is Ukraine. He you know, brought to.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Yeah, why can't we ever get someone from the Freedom
Caucus in as a Speaker of the House. I mean Biggs,
Ghost Star, Marjorie Taylor Green. I mean, the list is
endless of how many great people that could be in
that position, you know, the congressman for get from from Tennessee.
There's so many of them. But yet we have these
establishment idiots like a like a Big Johnson or Don

(53:58):
Bacon or Scaleese or whoever it might be. We need
real Freedom Caucus members to become Speaker of the House,
but they never are. They never are. It's sad.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Yeah, I mean that's a good point, and let's bring
that back to local Arizona politics. So in the Arizona legislature,
I mean we've seen the same thing out of Senate
President Warren Peterson, you know, the Speaker of the House.
His name escapes from me right now. But there's a
new Speaker of the House then, yeah, Ben, No, it's

(54:30):
not Ben Toli. He was the old one. There's there's
a new guy. But he's just the same. It's exact
same thing. It's it's most well. For example, Warren Peterson,
he's pushing this bill which is basically like a high
density housing bill. And you know some of the members
of the House, like a representative Chaplin', they're outspoken, Oh,

(54:53):
this Axon.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Bill of high density is bad.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
But you know, Chaplin gets a bunch of developer donations
and he's supporting, you know, Warren Peterson's bill, which is
exactly the same thing. It's just different. Lobbyists paid them
and they're pushing the exact same thing. What has Warren
Peterson done in the last four years for Arizona? Absolutely nothing.
Has he had any subpoenas, No, has he done any investigations. No,

(55:19):
has he done anything to you know, to put Katie
Hobbs to feet to the fire. No, no, he hasn't.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
And that's a travesty because she is the one that
needs to be investigated in the worst way. Look, I
mean number one, the conflict of interest of her being
Secretary of State and then overseeing the elections and then
running for governor. I mean, right then and there, she
should have been disqualified. But I mean Article Arizona Revice Statutes,

(55:49):
Article one, that says that everyone should have free and
fair access to our elections. Well, guess what the minute
sixty five seventy percent of these machines went down in
Maricopa County. You've lost free and fair access to the election,
point blank. There is standing that is outcome determinative. And
we should have had these judges step up. But of

(56:10):
course they didn't. Why because the votes were already cast.
And that's the lesson here. When votes are already cast,
judges will not get involved because they don't want to
be the arbiter of a decision. But if you can
get these lawsuits in and see the problems beforehand, then
you can get these judges to take these cases.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Yeah, and in Arizona, it's really on the Maricopa County
Board of Supervisors. They're the ones responsible for administering the election.
President Trump has said that not only are paper ballots
one day voting more effective, but significantly cheaper. I believe
the estimate was put in. It's something ridiculous. It's something
like eight percent of the cost. And we saw that

(56:54):
with the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors before this current
group was elected, they because of the Arizona audit, they said, oh,
you know what are our dominion machines. They've been tampered with.
We're gonna go ahead and order new dominion tabulators. That's
gonna cost two million dollars. So not only did they

(57:16):
buy the original ones for you know, probably about two million,
they said, oh, this audit cosm be tampered with, We're
gonna buy some additional ones for another two million dollars.
I mean, what a waste of Arizona taxpayers money. Totally,
as if we saw with Kerry Lake Selection, which you mentioned,
all those all those new tabulators, those brand new tabulators,
they all malfunctioned, they were all down, they weren't working.

(57:39):
It took weeks and weeks. They're slower, they're more expensive.
When are people going to wake up and demand that
we stop using these over expensive, inefficient, always broken, fraud
ridden tabulators and do what dozens of other countries do
with millions and millions of population. They handcount precinct level

(57:59):
of votevoting, they get their election results same day. Yes,
some of them are like, oh, it's a one race,
you know election. We can do that too. We can
move our judicial election where it's like retaining judges, we
can move that out to a separate race. That was
one of the problems with you know, most of the
elections is that there's sixty judges on there. Do you

(58:21):
want to retain this judge.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
That nobody knows anything? So they're just like, yeah, nah, yeah,
let's make it doing every other one.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
If you take that off the ballot, let's make that
a special, separate election. You can actually inform people how
did these judges vote? Who are totally agree with that?

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Yeah. And then in the.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Normal election, it's you know, there's hardly any questions. That's
a one page ballot. It's not a four the other thing,
three page ballots. Really no wonder the lines took forever
this time. We've got to eliminate that as well.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
You know, one of the things I talk about in
Preserving liberty is the fact that tyranny is sold as convenience. Right, Oh,
just click the screen. Yeah, no problem, It'll register your vote,
no problem at all. No, of course they're not plugged
into the internet. No, of course not. Of course they are.
And it's those types of things that I say, tyranny

(59:13):
has sold as convenience. You know, it's amazing when you
think about Java and Sisa Haava was signed into law
which is the Help America Vote Act, but really Help
America Steal Elections Act. Let's call it what it is
that was signed into law by George W. Bush.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
What did that do?

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Essentially, it basically went like this, here you go States, Here,
you go, States. Here, see how this money here it is?
Go ahead and get electric machines.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Right.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
President Trump should immediately say issue an executive order if
he has to, and say, look, if every single state
stops using these electric machines, then I will, you know,
completely fund you for all the different things that you need.
But if you continue to use these electric machines in elections,

(01:00:00):
you know, these electronic machines, I'm cutting you off. Not
just your elections, I'm cutting everything off. I'm cutting off
all aid, I'm cutting off water sewer whatever, and basically
force these people in these states to give up these
electric voting machines, and also Sissa. Sis came about in

(01:00:21):
twenty eighteen. Sissa is another federalization of the elections. He
had Hava first, which helped federalize the elections by bringing
on the machines, right, and the second one was Sissa. Oh,
it's the most secure election in history. Now today they
signed an executive order going after Chris Krebs, who's an
absolute criminal. Right, But where did SIS come from? Sissa

(01:00:45):
came from the Trump administration in twenty eighteen. That's where
it came from. So basically he was able to sign
into law something that would eventually kick him out of
office in twenty twenty and allow the theft of the
twenty twenty elections. I say all the time, the insurrection
happened on November third, twenty twenty. The cover up of

(01:01:06):
that insurrection happened on January sixth, twenty twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
No, that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
And I think the problem with President Trump has been
in his cabinet, even in the Trump campaign, his advisors.
He's had a lot of bad actors in there, and
for some reason, you know, President Trump has not been
able to eliminate them. You Know, people say, oh, Trump's
exposing them. But now there's a pattern and a history

(01:01:33):
of that. I think he needs to just cut all
those advisors. If you do something, if you act or
in the past it's been questionable. You know, a point
A DOSEE team and point an FBI team, investigate all
your advisors, President Trump, because some of them are actively
working against you, and there's there's bad decisions that are

(01:01:54):
being made, bad policy that's being made. I'm not really
a huge fan of PAMBONDI I mean starting with far so.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
Yeah, I mean, so far she has not done what
I think she needs to do.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
See, if we look at her history as the Attorney
General of Florida, for example, she was notoriously for, in
favor for, and argued for in court red flag gun laws.
So she's she's pretty much against the Second Amendment. That's
kind of been She was questioned on that said, oh no,
now I'm not against it, but in the past she was.

(01:02:27):
She's actively on X blocked Laura Lumer, an Investigati journalists
and reporter from her great check marked former Florida a
g account, which is which is a government account, and
she's definitely speaking from that account in the voice and

(01:02:48):
authority of the Attorney General, which the Supreme Court and
lower federal courts have ruled. Therefore, it's unconstitutional against the
First Amendment to block certainly any citizen death. Definitely a
reporter for freedom of the press also in the First Amendment.
So you know, Pam Bonnie's she's against the second amendments,
She's against the First Amendment. She ran this whole Epstein

(01:03:11):
Binder scandal, which was a big nothing burger. Again, Scott
Presler was there at the White House getting that with
a bunch of other Turning Point influencers. Some of them
are full time paid Turning Point influencers, and that was
the connection, including d C. Dreno, Jack Prosovic was there.

(01:03:31):
They all have strong connections to Turning Point. I believe
that was the connection why those fifteen influencers were there
and it was a big nothing burger. And she's, oh,
we have a team of one thousand, you know, FBI agents.
They're combing through this twenty four hours a day, day
and night, and still we have no Epstein file releases.
That are you know, any new evidence that the last

(01:03:52):
release it was a nothing burger.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
It was all.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Previously even the JFK files.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Yeah, now, let's face it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
I mean the JFK files said there is eighty thousand
documents released. I called that a nothing burger with extra
cheese and a little dash of disinformation Russian dressing on it,
because it didn't show us anything other than what we
already know that the CIA was involved. And see, the
thing is they're holding on to extra documents. They can't

(01:04:20):
handle the fact that the American people will go absolutely
crazy knowing that they've been live to for sixty two years,
and they can't handle the truth. And the truth is very,
very simple that LBJ killed JFK with the help of
the CIA. Okay, anybody, Stevie Wonder can see that, all right.
I mean LBJ close advisor Clifton Carter. Clifton Carter was

(01:04:44):
the executive director of the DNC at the time, close friends,
by the way with Alan Dulis, who was fired by JFK,
but he was a close advisor to LBJ. LBJ told
Clifton Carter to hire a hit man. That hit man
was Malcolm mac Wallace. Malcolm mac Wallace was absolutely one
of the shooters. Absolutely not was Lee Harvey Oswald. Because

(01:05:08):
there's even video that they may release maybe maybe not,
that shows him near the motorcade, not to mention the
fact that he had no powder burns on him, no
residue on him, The guns didn't match up. No one
can run down four flights of steps without being out
of breath. Witnesses said he was walking calmly. So again,

(01:05:30):
he was a patsy, just like Thomas Matthew Crooks was
a patsy, just like you know, Ryan Ralph you know
against Trump was a patsy. All of these different patsy's.
This was an internal, you know, operation from the Democrats
from this last administration that tried to take out their adversary.

(01:05:53):
I mean, it's as simple as that. And here's the
thing that I don't understand. Forget JFK, forget Epstein, forget
m L I don't care about that right now. If
I was president of the United States on day one,
January twentieth, as soon as I'm signed in, I get
my cabinet and I go. I want to know who
tried to kill me by midnight tonight. Who tried to

(01:06:15):
kill me on July thirteenth in Butler, Pennsylvania. I want
to know right now why isn't there any type of
talk about it. No one's asking questions about it. President
Trump isn't talking about it. It's just going as if
it never happened. I did not understand that for the
life of me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
That is that is pretty bizarre. And I did see something.
And I don't know if it's true or not, or
if it's just another one of these psyops. But supposedly
the shooter of President Trump, and I do believe there
was two shooters, but supposed to the shooter that you know,
took the fall and was you know, he had his
remains immediately cremated. You know, he was he was, you know,

(01:06:51):
he was looking at all these things and involved in
all these things. And then there was the other assassination
attempt with Trump. I can't remember his name, but it
was at the golf course. And I mean that guy
was just a total fed asset, like one hundred percent
of fat asset. And they're saying, without a doubt he
tried to buy like a rocket launcher and all this stuff,
and you know, I don't I don't know if that's
true or not.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
But there's a picture, there's a.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Picture of Ryan Ralph at the White house with I
can't remember the guy's name, but he basically was a
close advisor in the Biden regime, their arm in arm,
and this guy is getting some type of metal freedom
or whatever, very very towards the very very end of
the last illegitimate regime as they were leaving. It was
in the last couple of days. And I looked at

(01:07:37):
that and I said, well, wait a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Now, I know that this.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Came from inside, because you got a picture of Ralph
with this guy who's getting a medal around his neck
by Biden, who didn't even know what the heck he
was doing. So again, all inside stuff, all inside stuff.
And I don't understand why President Trump hasn't demanded on
day one to the FBI, to whoever, to his national
security advisor. I want to know who tried to kill

(01:08:01):
me and Butler. Why wouldn't you want to know that
from day one before anything else does.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Yeah, I believe that one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
And there's some new I don't know if there are
conspiracy theories which are basically always right, but that that
there was two shooters. Uh, there was a shooter on
the water tower and the plan was, you know, the
first shooter, who of course was killed again I can't
remember his name, but he was the patsy. He was

(01:08:30):
going to take the fall. And what happened was, you know,
he was he was seen and we saw a video
of this. He was seen by local police officers. They
you know, jumped on the roof and looked at him,
and that forced him to shoot early, which wasn't the plan.
He had to take the shot, so that that threw

(01:08:53):
the whole plan off. And if that hadn't happened, what
what what would have happened was the second shooter, which
was a military long range sniper who many people believe
actually took the shot that hit Trump's ear, You know,
he would have executed an assassinated President Trump. And I
just I can't believe that there hasn't been an investigation

(01:09:15):
into the incompetence of the Secret Service. They basically set
that whole thing up.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
They didn't check the wateops.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
I mean, complete violation of standard operating procedure for the
Secret Service to not clear them.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
And who did Cheetle work for?

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
Who was she the security detail during Obama's presidency for.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Do you know? I don't know, I don't know Joe.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
And Jill Biden there. Jill Biden and her are best friends.
They hang out all the time. They've known each other
for many, many years. Who would have known the schedule
of where every single candidate was at, right? Why did
they pick Butler because of its right in the middle
of the woods in Pennsylvania. And remember the bottom line whichever,

(01:10:05):
whatever happened, the bottom line is they allowed the shot
to get off. And not only did they allow the
shot to get off, think about the timing of when
this happened. It was before the RNC convention. It was
before jd. Vance was chosen as VP. So their plan
was to eliminate Trump before the RNC convention, before he

(01:10:30):
was able to pick you know, a successor basically right,
so that they could throw the entire MAGA movement into
chaos without a leader. That's what their goal was. Thank
god it didn't happen, but that's what their goal was.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Well, right, And if you review the video of the
the Secret Service counter snipers, you can clearly see that
the counter sniper who ultimately killed you know, the one shooter,
he identified that shooter on the roof and didn't take
the shot. He was supposedly requesting, you know, authorization to

(01:11:04):
take the shot, but he allowed the shot on President
Trump to happen exactly shot, which is what you do
if you're a Secret Service agent and there's a shooter.
You don't ask questions, you don't ask for authorization, You
take the shot.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
You take.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
A hid was going to die that day, no matter what,
whether he was successful or not, because he would have
been able to talk, just like Oswald, and they took
him out. Remember with Oswald, he walked through the Dallas
Police Department and said, I'm a patsy. I didn't do this,
and then of course Jack Ruby silenced them. Right, So again,

(01:11:40):
the same thing happened in Butler, Pennsylvania. They took the
kid out immediately so they could be the hero, but
more importantly to quiet him so that he could never
speak or talk about what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Right, and we could have another.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Sixty two year situation on our hands. God forbid with
this one.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Well, I hope not, but its not too It's unthinkable
to think that a twenty something uh, you know, kid
really would have no social media footprint whatsoever. I mean,
the asset and then what I believe he had, like
three cell phones in his possession. Why did he have
three cell.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
Phones with a range finder?

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Tells that who was he in communication with?

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Supposedly he's supposedly he I mean it was the CIA
or FBI. But they they scouted out the uh, you know,
the whole area by drone beforehand. I mean, this is
not a one person operation.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
There's just no way.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
And and and the and the parents ought to be
investigated too. They should not be talking to anyone, luring
up right away, having your house completely cleaned, you know,
and everything else that that they that they did, which
was provocative at best, you know, at the very least.
I mean, uh, and then of course you know the body,
I mean, come on, all of this just to get

(01:12:56):
rid of all the evidence?

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
Yeah, I mean you had, uh, you had if it
was secret service or FBI agents. They were on the
roof hosing the blood off the roof. I was like,
wait a minute, that's not.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
That one does that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
They don't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
You need to have a forensic team and analyzing everything.
You don't just destroy evidence like that. What's going on exactly?
It's crazy? So yeah, I agree with you completely. And
and that's really another example where Pam Bondi has failed.
I mean that's under her purview. She's responsible that under
her own authority.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
She agreed that she's Pam Bondi has not been doing
what we would have hoped that she'd be doing. And
who knows, maybe Matt Gates would have been I don't know,
but you know, Matt Gates could have served as the
the attorney general because if you remember Fred Thompson from Tennessee,

(01:13:50):
he was a congressman I'm sorry, senator, and also I
guess like a character actor basically pretty kind of a
famous character actor. But anyway, he do something that was
signed into law when Bill Clinton was president, and it
basically allowed anyone to serve without a confirmation, you know,

(01:14:11):
through the Senate and all that for seven months. So
he could have been installed as Attorney general on day one,
and there's nothing they could have done because it would
have been a recess appointment basically for seven months, and
then after seven months or two hundred and ten days,
which everyone comes first, you would then have to go
through a Senate confirmation or step down. Think about what

(01:14:32):
he could have gotten done in seven months.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Yeah, yeah, I believe Matt Gates would have done some things.
I think unfortunately Matt Gates was you know, pressured not to.
There was a lot of stuff that was coming out
about his you know, personal actions, a lot of allegations.
Of course, there was you know, maybe a partial investigation,
but probably there was some you know, questionably moral activities

(01:14:57):
that were happening overseas.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
We A good example of that is you know, the
the Tate brothers, uh, you know Andrew Tate, for example,
allegedly in Romania. I mean there's different rules, different laws.
Matt Gates himself has spent a lot of time you know, overseas,
got caught into that. I think a lot of that
is a really a sting operation. They say in Washington,

(01:15:21):
d C. If you ever get elected, you know, to
the US Congress, the first thing they do is invite
you to like a wild sex party.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
Absolutely, and if you go, you're stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
And the second thing they do is, you know, they
send you overseas. Let's go to Romania. There'll be a
hotel there, just happened to be a you know, a
camera in there. Yeah, we'll set you up.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
And then you end up with what's your name, Feng
Fang Bang Bang or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Yeah, I mean that's interesting how Matt Gates gets you know,
investigated and you know, basically screwed out of certain positions.
But then you have this other evidence on the Democrat
side and nothing happens. I mean, there's consequences ever, two
tier justice system it is, Unfortunately it is. Well, Josh,
it's been a really great show. I've really enjoyed the conversation.

(01:16:07):
I want to thank you again for coming on. Take
a few moments to you know, promote your book, promote
your podcast, whatever you want to go.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
Sure, So it's again Preserving Liberty. You can get it
on Amazon, and again it's endorsed by a lot of
big hitters. And every single chapter I talk about the issues,
the problems that we have, but I don't just talk
about them and complain about them. I give you real
concrete solutions, and again, some of them I've already discussed

(01:16:36):
with you here in this broadcast. So that's how you
know that there's a lot of interesting articulation and a
lot of intellectual thought process behind everything in this book.
I go after Fauci. Chapter six is called the China Syndrome.
I talk about event twoh one, which is exactly where
it was planned. COVID was planned in New York City,

(01:17:00):
you know, at a hotel in a conference room. I
give you all the information. I talk about reigning in
what I call the prostitute media. Okay, people like to
call it the left leaning media. I call them prostitutes
because that's what they are. They will sell out like
a prostitute for a story. And so I show you
how to reign that in as well. Chapter four is

(01:17:21):
literally titled Dismantling Washington, DC, and I talk about how
we can dismantle it on percent, which quite frankly, President
Trump is actually already doing. So there's some of the
things in this book that President Trump is doing. But
remember this book came out October eighth, so I was
really taking a gamble that he was going to win,
because if he didn't with the information that's in this book,

(01:17:42):
I'd have to have twenty four seven security based on
some of the information that's in it. So please check
it out again. It's preserving liberty. The background. You see
bold and brave solutions to save America and create permanent freedom.
It is basically reads a very easy one hundred and
fifty pay You need a yellow highlighter in your hand.
You will have multiple, you know, gasps at the information

(01:18:06):
that's in it. For instance, I talk about Fauci. There's
a section called Beagles, Monkeys, and Orphans, Oh My, where
I literally talk about and explain in detail how he
literally killed black orphans with AIDS from Centennial Hospital in
two thousand and four. That's actually not FDR. In Robert F.

(01:18:27):
Kennedy's book as well, the real doctor Fauci, so we
both have covered that, and so I really just kind
of blow it all open. I use the FBI and
CIA emails in the pages of the book, not just
in the reference section. And most importantly, it's not self published.
I didn't just publish this myself. This is done through
Skyhorse and it's being distributed by Simon and Schuster. So

(01:18:48):
that means that everything in it went through a legal review,
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(01:19:09):
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Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Thank you, Josh, I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Again.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
My name, my name is Brian Farns. You can follow
me an exit Brian Farrens one. This is the Magamine
Podcast Magamine podcast dot com. Thanks to my guest and
listeners and as always God Us. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
Amen,

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