MAGAMind Podcast Episode 16 Live With Thomas Leager Unindited Co-conspirator of Gov Whitmer Kidnapping Hoax

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Farents, So you can follow me on Exit Brian Ferns one,
or watch full episodes of the Magamine Podcast at Magnamine
podcast dot com. Today as my guest, I have Thomas Leeger.
He's the co founder of the Victims of Weaponized Government
Support Network podcast and also an unindicted co conspirator of
the Governor Whitmer kidnapping hoax. Say hello, Thomas.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hey, how's everybody doing out there? Thanks for having me on, Brian.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Thank you, thank you so much. We're just gonna do
a brief intro to the show here. It'll just be
fifteen seconds.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
If I'm being real, I spent my whole life escaping
the pills. If I'm being real, I think I was
happy here when I couldn't pay the bills of finding
in Rail. I'm searching for purpose.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
I feel wealthy, but wens of tom Beanrail, I don't
know if it's worth it. All right, and we're back
so again, this is Brian Ferrence with the Magnamine Podcast.
You can follow me on Exit Brian Farrens one or
Magnamine podcast dot com. You can so get this podcast
wherever you get your podcasts. Just search for Magamine one.
Word and then podcast and with me is Thomas Leeger Thomas,

(01:09):
why don't you talk a little bit first about this
weaponized government support network podcast how that started, and then
we'll get into the Governor Witmer stuff after that.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Absolutely, So Eric Malader and myself Eric Maletor was actually
charged and in courty got acquitted at the state level.
There's a couple of guys that got convicted at the
state level and a couple of guys that got convicted
and acquitted on the federal level. So Eric Malder is
just one of the guys, and we were talking talking

(01:40):
about stuff like we've been through essentially with the government
kind of targeting us, inserting people into our lives with
HSS or confidential human sources, which are essentially informants for
the FBI. And so you have people inserted in your
life that their sole purpose is to get you in trouble,
to essentially get you to be put in jail, you know,
for activities that we we view and legally are you know,

(02:04):
constitutionally protected activities like political activism, pro two A activism
training together as a quote unquote militia. So what happens
when you get targeted like that? Is you get a
healthy mistrust of a lot of people because essentially you
had somebody inserted in, like I said, inserted into your

(02:25):
life for the sole purpose of harming you. And so
you get a mistrust, You kind of get a little
bit of paranoia. It's and and having you know Ben
and jail Eric, you know, has a has a couple
of other sets of issues where you get some anger,
you get some you get some you know, depression, stuff
like that. And so talking to other guys, we all

(02:45):
seem to have this same kind of stuff. You know,
it's hard to date because you really don't know is
this person genuinely Am I meeting them genuinely or were
they inserted into a place where I was going just
for the sole purpose of again in trapping or you know,
trying to find some kind of crime. And so we
wanted to get together with other guys that had been

(03:06):
through this stuff and let them share their experiences, and
not just share their experiences, but share their like coping mechanisms,
how they got passed, their kind of issues, and their
their anger whatever it may be, you know, the paranoia
or the anger whatever. And so we could kind of
get together and like a network like kind of like
almost like an AA but you know, for people that

(03:27):
have been essentially targeted, targeted by our weaponized justice system
to get together and help each other and lift each
other up. And it's especially centered on Christian values in
christ and our faith and uh and you know, because
we can't we see a lot off. Like for us,
like when we hang out with people, it's almost like

(03:48):
we could only hang out with people that have been
targeted by the government because that's like a hallmark or
a watermark of trustworthiness, and so it becomes weird. It
becomes like this bond or friendship or brotherhood. And so
that's like the sole purpose of it. And so we
still we don't have like an X page or anything.
We're still kind of figuring out under my So my
original podcast was The Freeman Report, and we do have

(04:10):
a underneath that channel or that main channel, there is
a the Victims of Weaponized Government Support Network or v
w GSN, and so that's what we're kind of doing.
The podcast we started in x spaces, but like for
some reason, X spaces just kept being really wonky. You know,
the audio wouldn't show up. It's it's funny to say that.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Let me just interrupt you just for a moment on
the X spaces. So, there was an X space that
I was part of. It was last Friday, and if
you listen to that, so it actually wasn't recorded, but
if you listen to the beginning of that X space,
the audio is nice and clear and crisp on on
all the speakers, and then after a certain amount of time,

(04:56):
all of a sudden, everyone's audio is garbled. It's like
we're there's like a lot of bots on there. So
I do believe exactly what you're saying, that there are mechanisms,
whether they're bad actors inside of X or just outside
of X, that they're somehow able to in order to
suppress certain things they don't like, they will hit and

(05:18):
target X spaces as well as other things. So sorry, interrupted,
just wanted to interject.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
No, definitely, No, absolutely, I think the same thing. I
know a lot of people really like Elon Musk personally,
not a big fan of some of the stuff he
said in the past. I like that he's supporting the
Make America Great Again agenda and the America First agenda,
but you know, it seems kind of like a marriage

(05:43):
of convenience. You know, Uh, I don't know, man Like,
it's hard to trust a lot of people in the space.
It seems like, uh, there's like an influence an influencer
industrial complex. I think Shane Cashman actually too did that
out the other day. Uh, and I was actually a
calling on his show the couple of weeks back, talking

(06:04):
about the same stuff, the Whitmer thing. But yeah, we
have to have a healthy mistrust even of our own
like our own group, there's a lot of grifters. There's
a lot of people looking, you know, just get money.
And that's again a reason why we made the space
is so that we have a space for us where
we're not just being taken advantage of or used for
this or that. I know, you know, people like to

(06:26):
have people like that have been targeted on just for
the sole reason of fundraising or whatever. Oh we were
the first one to have this person on, and you know,
it's hard to find genuine people. That's kind of why
I reached out to you, Brian. You seemed like a
very genuine podcast somebody that's actually trying to work in
the space, and you know, not just not just not
just going because there's a lot of Republicans out there

(06:48):
that like, okay, they say they're America First. And for example,
like I ran for Senate in Wisconsin the US Senate
against Eric Hovedy and and Tammy Baldwin well Well, I
opposed Eric Hovedy because he was a Neocon, he was
not America first. And I got lamb bested by all
the people that you know, as I was doing my activism,

(07:10):
I helped them get a start, you know, in this space,
and they all came after, how dare you You're not
gonna win, There's no way you could win. How dare
you challenge Eric Covedy? You're a Democrat, plant or this
or that? And you know it's it's that's the kind
of litmus test where you know, if somebody's really America first,
they're going to back you because you actually represent and
have the bona fides of you've done the work in

(07:32):
the arena. Whereas these kind of grifters, they will whoever's popular,
whoever they think is the best chance of winning, they're
going with him, and if you dare oppose them, they're
gonna come down in with the full weight of the
the rhino wing of the of the GOP as well
as you know, the Democrat establishment.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Right now, that's a good point. And let me just
interject something as well. And I'm going to actually put
it up on the ticker at the bottom. I don't
know if you can see the ticker, but our viewers can.
So there's a website there at the bottom. I've talked
about it before. It's Real Scott Pressler dot com. Real
Scott Pressler dot com. The reason I have that there,
you know, it's kind of what you're talking about, these

(08:09):
grifters that they're in their influencers, they're there just for
the money. This website has a ton of evidence about
Scott Presler and ask you know, who is the real
Scott Pressler. It goes into a lot of the donations,
a lot of his activities, his pattern of just like
just totally making dishonest stuff up. There's a recent thing
that he put out on X. He's got you know,

(08:32):
two million followers. Now he was totally propped up by
like we're talking about this influencer complex, this Rhino Rhino group,
and the exact same thing happens. I mean, if you
criticize him at all, they come after you hard, and uh,
you know, the the What they don't realize though, is
that the truth always wins. The truth always wins. And

(08:52):
I have a lot of experience with you know, being
gas lit by rhinos and you know, grifters and stuff
like that, and they have they have no idea how
to handle what I'm bringing, which is just the truth.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
They don't know how to handle that. Absolutely. I'm just
sharing this this broadcast out real quick.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
I want to get Oh, yeah, go ahead and do that. Yeah,
I posted it. We're live on X, We're live on
Rumble YouTube and kick right now.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
I believe awesome.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
And then I was gonna mention there's one thing it
was really it was really hilarious. Let me see if
I could make a graphic of it real quick and
put it in this Rumble studio. But Scott Presler posted
on X recently a screenshot that supposedly shows that his
X account was trying to be hacked by North Korea.

(09:41):
And he's saying, there's this you know, targeted attack on
him and it's coming from North Korea. Well, there's a
couple of problems with that. One is, you know, X
has two factor authentication, so for anyone to try to
get access to his account. They would have to hack
his you know, his email or self phone.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah. And the other problems have access to that.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, or hack that as well. And the other problem
is you know X and Twitter and Facebook and Instagram,
they're all banned in North Korea. They don't they don't
want their population having access to that. Oh yeah, here's this,
here's this post. Let me let me take a screenshot
of both of these and then I'll I'll share it because,
like I said, the Rumble, the Rumble screen share seems

(10:27):
to be having some problems. So let me let me
save this image first and then I'll put it up here.
I'm just gonna put this downloads all right. So I'm
gonna add this graphic. We'll just do it live all
right here. Okay, Yeah, So first I'm gonna show this one.

(10:48):
I'm gonna make it. I'm gonna make it a full
screen because it's pretty big. Let's see, all right, let
me show this. So this is are you able to
see this on your side? Thomas? Okay, so this is
Scott Presler posting on action. He says, well, this explains
the coordinated attacks for me. Thankful for security keys and

(11:10):
it says a new ex log in from a Chrome
desktop on a Windows device, we noticed the log into
your at Scott Presler account and the location is I
don't even know how to pronounce it, but it's North
peong Yang, Yeah, North Korea. So it's just it's just ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
I uh, well, you could all I mean, I don't know,
you could probably fake that with a VPN. I I
don't know, but I the most offensive thing to me
about Scott Presler is the fake accent. The I have
a genuine Wisconsin accent. I kind of have the long
o's and the and the long a's, and you know,
the Badgers in Wisconsin, and he kind of mimics that.

(11:50):
And it's very insulting to the intelligence. It's code switching.
It's the same thing that we were criticizing Kamala Harris about.
You know, they get they get in front of us
and they think, oh well, I'll kind of talk like them,
and I'll kind of act like them, and they'll and
they'll accept me. The thing with the thing is is
like you know, I have I don't hate gay people,

(12:10):
let me just say that, but it's not representative of
our movement to be like I'm an unrepentant homosexual who
is now representing the conservative movement. And if you don't
like me, well you didn't. You haven't done nearly the
work that I've done for the conservative There's been people
who have been on the ground for long, for years
and years, and then people like Scott Presler swoop in,

(12:31):
or people like uh Tim Poole swoop in, or people
like uh General Flynn swoop in and they say, oh,
you know, well, we're now the face of the movement. Well,
the thing is is, since the tea Party we've been
doing this. You know, where are the am and bundies?
Why aren't they the face of the movement? They actually
spend time in Gail. Where are the you know, uh,

(12:51):
where are the people who remember uh, I can't think
of his name right off the top of my head.
I Lavoy Finnica, like his wife, his daughter, who actually
had their their husband and father stolen from them. So
all this work has been done, and it seems like
we have all these grifters that kind of swoop in
at the last minute because they'll they'll talk, they'll they'll

(13:12):
you know, toe the line, they'll they'll keep the talking
points and the talking points are like they don't want
they don't want the conservative movement to actually live up
to its values when it comes to homosexuality. You know what,
I have nothing wrong with the homosexual coming into the movement,
but like with the understanding that like my my ethics
and my my my principles are going to say, look,

(13:39):
I get it, you're that you think you're you're born
this way. I'm gonna pray for you. I hope that
you change. You absolutely can change. There is your redemption
for anybody, but not just like accepting it and being like, oh, well,
he does all this work, so we're just gonna overlook
that that glaring part of it, or just the pandering
in general, where's code switching and stuff like that, it's

(13:59):
very uh, it's very remans or it's very indicative of
an asset somebody who like is an intelligence somebody who's
very versed in uh in psyops and such. And that's
kind of what to bring it back to, like the
Governor Whimer thing. So like, you know, when I got
into this stuff, when I got into activism, when I

(14:21):
got into uh, conservative politics, I essentially came in for
one reason. I liked guns. I liked freedom. I was
always very pro you know, America, and I slowly realized
a lot of things that a lot of these movements
are kind of fake and the and they're created. So
when I started in the pro two A movement, a

(14:43):
bunch of malicious came out and I get to know
all these guys and it almost was, uh, you know,
it was very it was very close knit brotherhood. And then,
you know, fast forward, I found out that ninety percent
of those guys were fake. We're FBI informants, eye agents
that came after for the sole reason of the fact
that I was advocating for the Second Amendment. So like,

(15:08):
it's disheartening because it's like every time, you know, we
push forward and we do get the movement going, we
have to worry about like who's actually genuine, who's actually
doing this for the right reasons. And it's sad, but
it's it's it's a hallmark of the intelligence agencies. What
they want to do is they don't just want to
If they want to destroy a movement, they won't outright
oppose it. They'll do the Hegelian dialectic, which is a

(15:32):
thesis ant or anti thesis, and then synthesis. They will
create the movement, they will create the opposition, they will
guide their movements, and they will get and then what
comes out of that, they will guide it to the
next stage. It's problem reaction solution. And so we as
conservatives need to make sure that we are keeping an

(15:53):
eye out and keeping the movement actually pure and actually
amongst the people, because so often our our stuff is
co OpEd. And that's exactly what happened with the Whitmer
thing is you have a bunch of genuine guys who
actually believe in what they're doing, and they're surrounded by
FBI agents and we end up getting entrapped or they

(16:14):
tried to entrap us. I barely escaped prison, and now
I'm on the you know, no fly list and essentially
still considered a domestic terrorist. Cash Fattella has done nothing,
Dan Bongino has done nothing. Where's the just where's the
restitution for all the people that essentially have suffered a
giant blows to their to their character, you know, in

(16:37):
the public sphere. Where when are we going to get
any justice?

Speaker 1 (16:40):
No, that's a that's a great question, and I want
I want to dive into that a little bit I
did put another graphic out. I just want to show it.
I just want to go back, just like and get
it off the plate. But you know, I'm not sure
if you read on that website real Scott Pressoer dot com,
but his father, Robert Presler, is a direct was a
director of Information in the Department of Defense basically, and
uh that that's exactly what you're talking about. Is like,

(17:02):
it looks like Pressler has been inserted as an asset.
And if you look at the money and his like
meteoric rise, and then you know he's he doesn't really
have conservative values and he's telling everyone, you know, there
is no election fraud. We just need to vote harder.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
You know.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
It's against President Trump's messages messaging. So let me just
show this one. This is about the Kim the Kim
John Un thing. So I posted this. It says breaking
Scott Presser thinks Kim Kim John Un and North Korea
are out to get him. So this is just kind
of funny. It's obviously not a real photo, but there
he is, Kim John Un with a tiny little knife
behind Scott Presler. Anyways, I just wanted to clear that

(17:41):
out just so that we can can move on and
then die.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Absolutely I want to. Okay. So yeah, and that's exactly it.
So he like comes out of nowhere, he rises to
the top, and what his his thing isn't let's secure
the vote, let's make election integrity a priority. He says,
we just need to engage in the same tactics they are.
So we don't need to fix the problem. We just
need to engage in the problem that they're engaging in.

(18:09):
That's not a solution, that's just essentially engaging in the
same thing. It's just pushing it forward. It's like, oh,
because you aren't following the law, well then I'm not
going to follow the law and we'll just both be criminals.
That's not it. And that's the thing is. So if
you understand the Wisconsin GOP, it's a uniquely corrupt part
of the Republican Party. The Republican Party was formed and

(18:29):
rip on Wisconsin, so it's had, it's had all the
time in the world to become corrupt. This is kind
of like where Neo CON's come to breed. You have
the Paul Ryans, you got the Scott Walkers, you got
the Robin Vosses. Who has the Wisconsin GOP and an
iron grip. He runs We're a scene with an iron grip,
and he was the biggest opponent of election integrity efforts

(18:50):
for one reason and one reason only, because he benefits
from those same efforts. He benefits from the vote being unsecure.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Let's talk You mentioned Racine, Wisconsin. Let's talk about that.
Explain to our viewers what is the deal with Racine,
because there's there's a lot of ties to even Scott
Pressler there. And you know his brother lives lives I
don't know if he lives in Racine, but he lives
in Wisconsin. So my understanding is, you know there's a

(19:21):
group of wealthy donors in Ratine. It's time to the development.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
And development of AI, development of surveillance tech COVID nineteen yep.
In fact, I was that's I think that was the
real reason that the FBI tried to rope me into
the Whitmer thing. Is not just my two A stuff.
They were keeping kind of tabs on me. And I
was working with Malicious to try to do community outreach,
and if you remember at that time, just to give context,

(19:48):
I was also working with the malicious to protect communities
from the riots that were happening. So and then you know,
so we're lockdown in Wisconsin. What's happening is we have
Governor Evers that got in in twenty eight seen Robin
Voss actually sabotaged Scott Walker, the Republican governor, because they
had come to odds Scott Scott Walker had essentially done

(20:11):
something without Robin Voss's approval. Well, Robin Voss doesn't like
it when you do stuff without his approval, and he
undermines Scott Walker and Tony Evers got in, and and
I think Robin Voss's thought pattern, our thought process, was
why he just we have a Republican legislature we could
control and contain Tony Evers until we can get another

(20:31):
Republican in. Well, the thing is all the Republicans they
have are so unlikable and so mediocre that that nobody's
going to vote for them. And so so you have
Tony Evers gets in. Coronavirus hits right. Robin Voss is
all about the lockdowns, all about the masks, all about everything,
and he is allowing our governor, Governor Evers, he was

(20:53):
about to essentially make our Health and Human Services person
a dictator by handing off his gubernatorial powers, his governor's
powers to the Health and Human Services person. And without
the outcry that we were creating in Wisconsin, and without
I organized Reopen Wisconsin with a couple other individuals, still
to this day remains the largest anti lockdown protest in

(21:15):
the US. We had like five six thousand people on
the Capitol lawn, even though Robin Voss says it was
an unknown event that nobody really attended, even though I
have pictures of the whole lawn being just covered and
this is at the height of the lockdown. And it
actually was this event that forced Robin because Robin Voss
doesn't even take a shit without doing a poll like

(21:37):
this guy is. I'm sorry, I'm sorry for the language,
but he doesn't do anything without a pole. He doesn't
do anything without a pole. So he he wasn't going
to he was wasn't going to budge, he wasn't going
to really give support to the lawsuits to reopen the state.
But because we did this event, it forced him to
reopen when he would have rather kept the lockdown his
Like I said, Racine is the hub of like the

(21:59):
surveillance OVID, It's kind of and in fact, not only
that u W Wisconsin shortly after Biden got in, so
we know, we know that there was a calling of chickens,
there was an outbreak of bird flu. Well guess what
u W Madison's BioResearch labs are doing gain no function
research into H five N one the bird flu. And

(22:20):
I actually did that's what God has kicked off YouTube.
I did an episode of the Freeman Report where I
called it, uh the bird flu or pandemic to uh
bird flu googloo or something like that, and they kicked
us off. I'll actually send you the article though.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
I'm also showing uh this this photo. Shoot me on
the screen. Now, this is from your reopen rally, right, Uh.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Let me yep, yep. That's it. That's it. Yeah, that's
like just and just okay, that's just like one section.
And I mean you're you're talking packed. So I'm going
to actually send you, uh in your d MS on X,
I'm gonna send you uh an article that we covered
in that and it says controversial experiments, uh, controversial controversial

(23:16):
experiments that could make bird flu more risk more risky,
poise to resume.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
All right, I see that.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
And this was years ago and we covered this and
then surprise, surprise, all of a sudden bird flu and
H five N one is killing off all the chickens,
and there's still talk of another pandemic that has more uh,
more morbidity and more deaths. You think that they wouldn't
be willing to release that and why are they doing

(23:47):
gain if I don't. I actually reached out to the
two scientists at UW that we're doing this, uh, this
this research and ask them, why do you think this
is a good idea after we just had a pandemic?
And on of them would return any of my emails.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Wow, let me h, I'll just put up a screenshot
of that that one image that you just sent me.
Let's see. Can I change that? I guess I gotta
do a new one. Yeah, And I could put the
link to.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Link.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Let me let me do that. Let me put the
link at the bottom here, let's see, all right, here's whoops,
here's the link. I'm gonna show this on the bottom
of the screen. This this could be available after the
show also, all right, so now it should be coming
up on the bottom screen. It's it's science dot Org

(24:39):
Forwards US content forts 's article and there's a you know,
there's another.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
In the comments. So I'm gonna put it in the
comments of the X Yeah, the X Streme too.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
But then let me show just the I will show
just a screenshot of the article here.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
H all right, So this is gonna be the that's
the headmark of it.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
And this was in twenty nineteen, and we were calling
this out on our broadcast, and amongst other things, there
was other stuff that we had on our YouTube page
that the FBI wasn't too fond of. It was we
had one of the thing essentially a video where it
exposed their informant on video because we were all asking
them questions after the arrests. So they didn't like that.

(25:29):
And then the H five N one video they just
it just was like the cherry on top. They called
it medical misinformation and disinformation. Well's come to find out
that this H five N one is exactly what we're
facing now. And do you think that I don't think
it would be far beyond their their resources or magic
or like willingness to release this thing on the public.

(25:50):
Why are we doing gain? Like what what actual good
purpose does gain? A function? Serve Like, how does it
serve us in any way other than weaponizing viruses, which
is against the Geneva Convention. It's from what I understand,
like you're not supposed to make bioweapons, and you know,
like how does it certain Like it doesn't mean like
so we mutate something just to see how it works,

(26:12):
and then what we make a vaccine. I don't get it.
I don't understand what the useful purpose is of the
gain of function research.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Well, I think you hit it. It's to weaponize the viruses,
and it's being used against the American people. It's being
used for population control. I just asked Grock about the
Geneva connect convention. Let's see, it says the nineteen twenty
five Geneva Protocol prohibits the use of biological and chemical

(26:44):
weapons in warfare.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
So I would see a weaponized virus as a biological entity.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
I mean I definitely would categorize it there.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Also the Biological Weapons Convention in nineteen seventy five expanded
prohibiting the development, production, stockpiling, or acquisition of biological agents,
including viruses, for the hostile purposes of armed conflict.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
So there there absolutely.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Against the against that convention. That's how they did in
nineteen seventy five.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
So and like if we could just switch gears again too,
I want to make sure that I don't I don't
skip this because this was one of the main reasons
that I also want to come on. So if you're watching,
there are two men right now that were that can
be pardoned by Donald Trump and I just got I
just want to make sure that I get this out
because I definitely I have a very quick stream of consciousness.

(27:43):
So I don't want to forget them. Barrycroft, Adam Fox.
They are in Florence super Max. This is the same
prison that El Chappo was in, that the unibomber was in,
or the Oklahoma bomber. I forget one of those guys.
This is for the worst of the worst. This is
for actual Harris Barrycroft and Adam Fox were found guilty.

(28:04):
The court admits that they weren't allowed to have a
robust defense, they weren't allowed to present all the evidence.
Yet the Sixth Court of Appeals upheld their conviction, even
understanding that they had a rig trial. They just said,
oh yeah, it was kind of rigged, but whatever. They
still were found guilty. The only they called they said
that these people, these guys had weapons of mass destruction.
The weapon of mass destruction that they had was literally

(28:27):
a firework with pennies taped to it. That's not a
weapon of mass destruction. So these guys are now rotting
away in prison. They've been denied their appeal and the
only hope for them to get pardoned is Donald Trump.
Adam Fox, and Barrycroft are good men. They did nothing wrong.
They should absolutely be able to go home to their
families that count on them. I know Barry was a

(28:49):
single father with you know, three daughters who are now
you know, kind of split up and whatnot and having
their own issues. These people need to be pardoned. And
then on the on the on the state level, we
have three other guys, so there's five guys total that
are in prison. Three guys on the state level are
being jerked around by Whitmer, sent from prison to prison,
bopped around kind of like the Jay sixers, where you know,

(29:10):
they try to get settled and try to get like
a defense or an appeal going, and then they get
bounced to another prison, bounce to another prison, bounce to
another person. So those guys as well. They need help
put on the state level, and we need to support
Canada candidate for governor that is going to that's going
to part in these guys on the Michigan level. And

(29:31):
I know that there's a couple of people there or
there is one of one of our guys is maybe
announcing to run for governor, one of the Dull brothers,
and so I kind of holding off. I don't know
when he's gonna announce or if he's gonna announce, So
I don't want to say definitely, but if he does,
he's got my full support, and I definitely would like
to come back on the program to and and have
him with us so that we can give him some

(29:54):
light on that if if he does decide to run.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Okay, no, and thank you for shouting that out, and
you know, just a little bit more background. I'm just
bringing up what Groc has to say about it, right,
so you correct what isn't correct, because sometimes Groc makes
the marry. But so in the in the Governor Whitmer
kidnapping hoax, it's definitely a hoax. But it's what Grock
has to say is that there was a plot by

(30:21):
fourteen men, Okay, this its fourteen. But then later Groc
says that there was twelve FBI informants and several undercover agents,
all playing key roles and pushing the plot forward.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
And the thing is is Christina Urso is kind of
doing the documentary, so she's gonna have like more detailed level.
What I know is there are five guys that are
that are in prison right now unlawfully not federal informants.
I know that three, I think it was three guys
took plea deals and they weren't actually which they might

(30:59):
be being counted in into like either federal informants or witnesses
for the for the prosecution. Those guys were kind of
coerced into it. And then you have all the guys
that were acquitted who are also not FBI just so
like so you have oh it's like Eric Bill very Adam.

(31:21):
So you have like ten guys that weren't like that
weren't in that weren't informants or working for the FEDS,
that weren't trapped for the sole purpose of the FBI
says something like twelve to like maybe maybe twelve at
max if I'm missing one or two. But for the
most part, I know there was informant read. We had

(31:41):
Dan Chappell. We had Steve Robinson who literally formed a
militia out of whole cloth for the FBI. This Steve
Robinson was not only UH in trapping people, he was
running a scam charity on churches and getting money under
a fake charity on the FBI knew it. He bought UH.
He bought a fifty caliber or a fifty BMG under

(32:07):
the auspice of the FBI, even though they knew he
was a convicted rapist of a child, essentially a pedophile.
He was allowing this guy to go around people's families
and children knowing he was a pedophile. Steve Robison was
allowed to have a free hand. And then at the
end of the day, after he did and organized all
this stuff, they essentially bounced him and kind of cut

(32:30):
ties with him and then just allowed him to get
a sweetheart deals on all these other cases that he
accumulated while doing crimes under the FBI, and they just
pushed him to the side. They said, oh, well, he's
just gonna plead the fifth We don't actually need him.
They used Dan Chappel, who was a veteran and essentially
set up a bunch of guys under the Adam had
been going through some rough stuff. I think he had

(32:51):
lost his father, and Dan Chappel kind of swooped in,
kind of acted like a father figure for Adam all well,
setting him up just completely unscrupulous. Said he was, you know,
this big veteran that kept pushing everybody to make a plan.
The plan was fully on the FBI. Every time you
can look at the documents. Every time the FEDS are

(33:11):
saying like push for a plan, push for a plan,
they ask the actual legitimately not informant people, and everybody's
like there's no plan, Like what are you talking about, Like, no,
we're not going to do that, and like it's almost
gets to the point where like everybody's like, oh yeah,
sure whatever, Like like Dan, I think Adam for the
most part too, was like push to this point where
like he really admired Dan Chappell and so he like

(33:36):
almost was like oh yeah, sure, like maybe we'll make
a plan or something because he just wanted to please Dan.
But it's like the FBI is like will not stop,
Like under under normal circumstances, if you have an investigation
and you try to push people towards a plan and
they say, no, we have no interest. Well that's the
end of the investigation. There is no terrorism.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Right.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
But they kept pushing and pushing and pushing till they
had to, like they we know for a fact that
they inserted bomb making materials into Barry Croft's vehicle where
he had no he had no you know, I'm making material.
They tried to categorize things that were just stuff you
could get at Cabela's like Tanner, right, They try to,

(34:16):
you know, categorize that stuff as an actual tear like
bomb making equipment. It's just so there's so much stuff
to like get through. And I really encourage you to
have Christina urso on not Radis, because she has like
she can break it down point by point from my
point of view, like it's like when you're part of this,
you only see kind of like your your piece, where

(34:40):
she's kind of got like the ten thousand foot view
of all the pieces put together. I kind of just
can only say for my part, these are things that
I know have happened. I know for a fact I
talked to Barry The only things that they that he
really wanted to work on was a fraternal order of
Constitutionalists was essentially just like a brotherhood like and essentially

(35:00):
you wanted to get into like minting little silver tokens
like patriot tokens that we could give, you know, to
each other and just have like kind of like a
fraternal society where we could get together do charitable stuff,
do stuff to protect the community. And you know, our
big concern was protecting the community because we saw the
the United States burning in twenty twenty, I mean, the

(35:21):
riots everywhere. We thought that the election was if it
was won by Trump, that the entire place was going
to go up. And we thought the if the other
we thought of Biden won that we'd just be arrested immediately.
So we were trying to protect communities. We were trying
to see, you know, how is this going to play out?
So I think that also serves as like a huge

(35:42):
factor of background information where people have to remember exactly
where we were in twenty twenty when these guys were
essentially being accused of plotting to kidnap Governor Whimer.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Right, no good point, and I'd be happy to have
you know, any additional individuals on the show with the
follow up, give me their contact information if you have,
we'll talk a little bit about the documentary. You say,
it's uh by Radix Rum. What is the name of
the documentary, And.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
So I'm gonna send you a link for the X
account and the X account also has also has like
the link to the website and where people can donate
and whatnot. So how do I share that? Well, I'll

(36:29):
just do it this way. I'm gonna I'm gonna send
it to your Yeah, I'm sending it to your d
M s and n X. So it's called Kidnap and
Kill an f b A an FBI tear plot. The
website is kankfilm dot com. Uh, it's I really really
encourage everybody to share it and you know, support Christina

(36:52):
and if you can donate, please donate. We want to
get this done soon so that we can have uh
you know, it'll help get the word out to you know,
to Donald Trump, so that you know, maybe he can
pardon pardon these guys.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Let me put this on the bottom of the screen.
So all right, K and kfilm dot.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Com yep, And then the the the X account is
at K and K film on X. So at K
and K film on X.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
And Kidnap and Kill an FBI Terror plot?

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yep. Can I grab coffee real quick?

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah, go ahead and grab some coffee. I'm gonna take
a screenshot of this as well.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Let me just do this.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
I don't want that screenshot.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
I want to the full screen shot.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
All right. Here we go, and there's an official trailer. Actually,
maybe I should download that trailer just watch it. Let's see.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Let's keep that all right.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
So I'm gonna show this graphic of the documentary. Here
it is. It's Kidnapping, Kill an FBI Terror plot kkfilm
dot com. And I'm gonna see if I can just
download this. Let's see. Okay, maybe I can download right here?

(38:46):
Yes I can. M oh maybe not. M all right,
So well, I'm gonna be downloading it here in just

(39:07):
a second.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Alright, I'm back, all right.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
I thought I thought I would just download the trailer
and then I'll upload it and we'll we'll watch it.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
If I can. Let's see if I can download it
real quick.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Yeah, it should be able to going on. You see
how fast my internet is when I'm live streaming at
the same time. It's gonna work, all right, Yeah, that's
gonna work. Download m hm. Yes, all right, so I

(39:49):
downloaded that. Let me upload this video video clip. I
don't know how it's gonna play on this Rumble studio though,
because I've been having trouble with you know, Rumble Studio
playing video clips. So let's just see what happens. Yeah,
like it's it's showing like blacked out, so maybe our.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
I've I've had that same I've literally had the same
situation happened to me.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Have you resolved there or what do you do?

Speaker 2 (40:13):
I haven't. No, I still don't. That's what I'm kind
of like. So I paid for Rumble, and I paid
for Humble, and I don't mind paying for Rumble because
I support them. But it's like it I've tried to
update my browser, I've done other browsers. I try to
play a video, it's blacked out on my end, so
I can't even see it. And sometimes the audience can
see it, sometimes they can't. But it's like if I

(40:34):
can't see it, well then I don't know when it ends.
So it's like you're just sitting there.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Well, let me let me hit play just for a man, Well,
what we'll just do a couple of seconds of it.
If it's going to be blacked out. We will, We'll
just we won't do it for long or here we go.
It looks like it's blacked out for us, but hopefully
our viewers are seeing give.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
New developments kidnap, kill.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Arrested, including Yeah, I think that's an issue with Rumble Studio.
They need to fix that. And also there's their screen
share doesn't really work either, so that's another problem. But anyways,
I'm in contact with them over at all. Make them
fix it.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
So how do you get a hold of them, because
like I've not gotten paid out either for like the
longest time.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
They have a support Let's see. It's like it's like,
let me see. I'll tell you exactly what it is.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Oh yeah you could see it. I was on the stream.
They're saying that they can see it.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Oh they can't see it. They did see the video.
Yeah that's what I thought. But we can't see it,
so that's the that's the problem. Yeah, the support email
for Rumble Studios, it's it's just support at.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Rumble dot com dot com.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
And yeah, I was. I was talking to them. Oh
it's not working. It's not working. They're like, well, what, bro,
what version of your bros. I was like, well, I
try to and Chrome and I tried it and Brave
and it didn't work in either and it used to
work and now it doesn't. We'll give us the Exect browser.
So clear, we're talking to you know, level one support.
You know, I don't know, but I'm not going to

(42:14):
give up. I'm going to get through to them, you know.
I'm going to answer their questions until they're forced answer mine. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
I mean, that's the thing is just keep pushing. I
really support Rumble. I want them to succeed, and you know,
to switch gears a little bit, like talking about like
the downturn in the economy and stuff. Like what I'm
telling people is like, this is the best time for
you to invest in America. Like this downturn is that

(42:41):
you buy the dip. You buy the dip, you buy
American companies, You support Rumble, Who's you know? I think
Chris Pavlovski was on tim Cast the other night and
essentially he's talking about they're going to try to make
an ecosystem to rival Google, and that's essentially what we need.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
And so if you if you can, you know, support Rumble,
buy Rumble stock, you know, that's like getting in on
the ground floor of Google. And if you get a
think about how much money you would have made if
you got on the ground floor of Google. There's money
to be made. It's just bearing through it. You buy
the dip you hold, you buy the dip you hold,
you don't sell. It's not about fast money. It's gonna

(43:20):
be a while, but it's worth it to invest in
America and our future. And you know, investing in American companies.
If anything, I'd say, you know, sell foreign, buy American,
Sell foreign and buy American. Also, people who have the
Temu app, please please, please, for the love of God,
get rid of it.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Yeah, I agree. And if I wouldn't install TikTok either,
you should get rid of that. Any tiny zone you
should get rid of.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah, I won't have TikTok on my phone. I had
to move for a second because I was like, oh,
cheap goods. But in the end, I'm thinking about it
and it's like, yeah, but what are you really getting,
Like stuff that's probably gonna break or rip or tear,
you know, within a couple of days. It's like I
could buy the same stuff on Amazon. Granted there is
a lot of Chinese goods on Amazon, but for the

(44:07):
most part, you can find stuff that's going to last longer.
And it's like, if I get twelve pairs of socks
that you know, essentially wear out really quickly or in
like half the time as the six pair of socks
I buy on Amazon, Well it's about the same thing,
and why not just buy it from Amazon?

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Well, yeah, I mean that makes sense. And I hope
that Amazon is going to, let's say, be forced to
move away from selling so many Chinese goods. I think
with some of the action on the tariffs, I believe
President Trump increased the tariffs on China specifically pretty high.
So it's possible that Amazon is going to be forced

(44:48):
to stop reselling Chinese goods so much.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
And I hope that doesn't. And I mean that's the
thing is we need to if we want America to
be you know where it was at, you know, in
the nineteen fifties or what view, it's gonna take some.
It's gonna take some, or like even before that, like
if we want to get to a place where you know,
our money sound, you know where we were before the
Federal Reserve or before the Social Security Act or before

(45:12):
you know, gold was you know removed. As as the
backing of the currency, It's gonna take a lot of
it's gonna take a lot of pain, but it's in
a long In the long run and even in the
short run, like a year, two years, we could be
in a place where we are massively making gains, especially
for young people. Invest with whatever little bit you can.

(45:34):
It's not about like, yeah, you don't have to invest
like six hundred bucks like right off the bat. Invest
a little here, invest a little there by, a couple
of stocks by by, you know, smaller businesses that are
American based, and uh kind of gauge the market, and
I think in the long term you're gonna be in
a lot better position, uh even ten years down the line.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Yeah, I agree. And I have to say, Uh, one
of the things I was really happy about myself in
terms of investing, I bought gold and silver, yep, and
that that's been a great investment. I mean, gold just
reached another all time high. I think when I saw
this morning was like three thousand, one hundred and sixty
dollars an ounce. Yeah, let me see the gold spot

(46:14):
spot print.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
With silver, because I have a ton of silver twenty
eight twenty. That's a lot because it's been at twenty
for the ounce of silver was at twenty for the
longest time, so between seventeen and twenty, So twenty eight
is like, we're doing good. And I work at I
kind of I work at customer service, and so I
deal with a lot of cash, and so every time

(46:36):
I come across silver, silver pennies, silver or uh Nott
silver pennies, silver dimes, and silver quarters, man, you buy
them up.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
The on goldprice dot org. Right now it's three thousand,
one hundred and seventy dollars and sixty two cents. It's
an almost a three percent increase just today alone. And
uh if if you look at that chart, normally i'd
share my screen and show it, but you know, Rubble
doesn't like that. Right now, I think that's an all

(47:06):
time high price.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah, it's pretty pretty much pretty much is. If I
look at for the last thirty days, it was a
little bit higher. I guess three, I don't know. Yeah,
it's it's basically at an all time high though it
really is.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
It's just and even now if you don't have gold
by gold now, I mean there's no you know, it's
going to keep going up, especially during times of economic instability.
Resource because the differences in wealth there's like so you
have fiat currency, which represents like a very intangible wealth,
whereas like resources are always wealth. Like you have if

(47:49):
you have land, that's like a real wealth, but that's
real money represented like you could it's tangible thing that's
always going to be valuable. Golds always going to be valuable.
Plan no resources, copper, water, like if you have the
water rights to your land, that's mineral rights. All those
things are actual tangible wealth. And that's like this that's

(48:10):
seems to have been the plan of the globals all along.
Is so they keep pushing us towards this renting model
where everything's gonna be rented. You're gonna own nothing, and
you're gonna be happy because they want all the real wealth.
So if you think about it, if it's no different
from where we were in the Middle Ages, where you
lived on the land of a feudal lord and you

(48:31):
even crops, Yeah, it's it's essentially techno feudalism where you
rent everything from the actual lords and ladies who own everything.
So they wanted that's that's what they didn't like about America.
America allowed for individuals to compete with the quote unquote elites,

(48:53):
and so you could actually accumulate real resources and wealth,
real tangible wealth, not fiat currency, which is a representation
of wealth. And then even far more removed you have
these you have digital currencies and cryptos and stuff, which
is even farther removed from real wealth. It's it's an
imaginary thing. The only real wealth in the world is

(49:13):
resources which actually exist in this reality, that you could touch,
that you can hold, that you can live on, that
you can farm because, like you think about it, land
is an unlimited resource and it's unlimited wealth. You can
grow crops on it, you can, you can you can
restore it, like you know if you that's what the
crop rotation. You know, when you're a farmer, you know

(49:33):
about you just you deplete the soil, you rotate things,
you burn things on the old fields, you replete. It's
it's an unlimited resource. Nowadays, like we're being so pushed
so far away from actual wealth where it's like if
you have land, you have ultimate stability in your wealth.
If you you know, rent well, building could be sold

(49:55):
your rent could all of a sudden be raised ten times.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
You start, you if you don't own any of your movies,
you go through the Netflix. Uh you know one movie
that you you love watching all the time, it can
be gone the next day. You don't really own anything.
You don't have any stability. It's always a moving thing,
where ownership of physical items is actual wealth. Physical things

(50:19):
are actual wealth. Whereas we're being pushed towards this digital
uh uh new world order essentially the uh it's the
great reset. Just it's like obfuscated, Like I see there's
these programs where you don't even have to own a car.
So now you rent, you pay a monthly fee and
you can like be like, oh I'm here, and I'll say, oh,

(50:41):
this car is like parked wherever you go and you
get it's it's rental of everything, essentially a neo feudal
system of technocrats who own own everything and you just
you just have to kind of accept it.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Yeah, and and let me come in about that a
little bit, because you were talking a little bit about
transportation and something like that too. So you know what
one of my co hosts, James Richard and I we
were in Japan recently. And the thing that's interesting about Japan.
I mean, first of all, Japan's it's a great country.
You should definitely visit it. But the thing that we

(51:13):
noticed is specifically in Tokyo, the people there have been conditioned,
you know, to use the public transportation, the subway site,
the subway system, which is fantastic. It works much better,
it's much cleaner than the American one. Because the people
their culture is respectful. But the other thing we noticed
is they'd be conditioned to have like a compliant citizenship,

(51:37):
and they they you know, they do have some free
speech in Japan, but they're just conditioned not to use
it really, and it's almost under this banner of you know, okay,
be respectful and be respectful of the government, and you know,
do what the government says. And so it's it's kind
of like a well oiled machine of what the government

(51:59):
typically wants is it's a compliant population. You know, they
half of them still wear masks, you know, half of
them don't, but half of them still wear mask CONTs
that they have for you know, decades.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Even before the COVID will break right, right.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
And there's different different reasons for that. But I believe,
and I have a lot of medical research, actual peer
reviewed you know, actual science that shows that, you know,
long term wearing of masks does cause harm. There's a
lot of damage to your body and your immune system

(52:34):
and your respiratory system. So the idea of you know,
living in Japan and wearing a mask every day, you know,
for hours and hours and hours and hours for your
whole life. Uh, you know, I just wonder. You know,
they're talking about, oh, there's a declining fertility in Japan,
and you know, there's all these problems. What is the

(52:56):
impact there? They have a lot of plastics, everything, everything's
wrapped in, Like how what is the long term health
impacts on that? And of course they want to create
this declining fertility because they have tried to and already
have been. They're like, okay, well we're gonna inject like
a million you know, Africans into Japan. And they've done

(53:17):
little tests of that. It really didn't work well as incomparisons.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Oh they resist it, and that's so and I think
it's good and bad. So like the Japanese have like
a shared culture and see this is why America it's
hard for us to it's so easy for us to
like our society to be decayed and are eroded because
we don't share a common cultural understanding anymore. It was

(53:44):
always like, Okay, we're a melting pot, so we're kind
of absorbing people into our society. But at some point
we stopped requiring assimilation, like okay, you can melt into
us and add some of your stuff to ours, but like,
for the most part, you have to adhere to the
Christian Western culture, whereas Japan has never had that. They've

(54:09):
they've actually been isolationists for a lot of their their history.
If you watch the movie or that show Shogun that
was that's on huluhow so that's outlining a time period
where essentially the Portuguese were about to essentially do what
the globalists have been trying to do to us, which
is sneaking and slowly take over. And so Uh Toganawa

(54:34):
I think his name is, well, this this shogun at
the time that came to power and kind of with
the help of a Protestant that came to Japan, realized
what was going on and essentially sorry about that notification there.
Uh essentially told them like, look, they're going to try

(54:55):
to take over here. This is this is colonization. What
happens in that store, this is just documented history. The
spoiler alert, I guess if you're gonna watch the rest
of Shogun that's coming out. But the story is that
what this Shogun does is he crucifies all the Portuguese
priests upside down, does not allow a Westerner on Japanese soil. Ever. Again,

(55:16):
the only people he allows, I think, are the Dutch,
which is what the guy who you know informed them
about what was happening was he was a Dutch Protestant.
So he forces the Dutch to make a port made
of like I think, Chinese soil off the coast of Japan,
so that they never touched Japanese soil, and so after

(55:38):
that it was very isolation. The same thing with China,
they went through their isolation period. So they've always had
this thing where like, it's about our culture. We're not
going to allow our culture to die, and that's not
a bad thing, so I think. But their culture is
also very honorific, very very honorable, very like respect your elders,
respect the government, like respect your betters, and so they

(56:02):
never got that idea of well, maybe our betters aren't
doing things that are in our best interest. So again
they're facing this challenge of well, now the globalists want
to integrate Japan, there's a resistance in there. But also
like they've allowed themselves to be very submissive to the
government when it comes to you must wear masks, you

(56:23):
must do this, you must do that, because okay, well
it's an honorific society. Our betters are telling us to
do it must be yeah, it must be in our
best interest. And also they love they lost kind of
that warrior spirit too. When it came to World War Two,
they were defeated. They the atomic bomb, and and you know,

(56:45):
when they moved from you know, essentially like feudalist samurai
culture to the modern like ways of warfare, that kind
of warrior thing was was kind of wiped out of them.
And then again, yeah, world War two, we beat the
beat the living snot out of them, and then drop
to atomic bomb. And so I think it's kind of

(57:06):
like a mix of factors. But I think a lot
of it is just that submissive culture, like we must
it's we have a hierarchy, you must obey the authority,
whereas in the West it's almost too much anti authority
where you know, freedom's good, but like the leftist type
of freedom is, well, we're just gonna resist everything. We
want to flip everything on its head for for no

(57:26):
other reason than to flip it on its head. Like
men could be women, women could be men.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Those are just Marxist tactics meant to divide everyone so
that communism can be instilled more easily. So it sounds
like it's you know, freedom and and you know, go
against everything until they ultimately win, and then it will
be the harshest dictatorship with no freedom ever that you've
ever seen.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
True, true, And it's like it's all it's born out
of like a libert a libertine instead of liberty minded.
So like libertine is more like do what thou will
will be the whole of the law versus liberty, which
is like you have rights, but with those rights, each
right comes with responsibility. You know, you have freedom of speech,

(58:10):
you have a responsibility to tell the truth and be honest.
Uh with with you know, the right to self defense
and the right to bear bear arms. Uh, you have
the right you have the responsibility to not wantonly murder
or to just be belligerent with your arms, you know,
you use them in the ways that that are responsible.
But with the liberty faction, it kind of it sneaks

(58:32):
in and it says, well, if you're free, don't you
support this or don't you support that? Well, freedom of
speech is all good and well, but like, if you're
gonna tell kids that they could cut off their you know,
p their their parts and become something else, that's complete
perversion of reality. And it all kind of stems from
like the Marquis de Sade, who is like a sadist

(58:54):
and like he was, he was an enlightenment philosopher that
just was kind of a sick oh kind of liberty
teen values where it's just like whatever, man, like I get,
who are you to tell me that I can't do
what I find pleasurable? And that causes the breakdown of society,
and yeah, they will ultimately lead to an authoritarian ship.
It's just like, as long as they can use our

(59:17):
morals to allow them to skirt under the radar where
they could use our morals against us and be like, oh,
well it's just gay marriage, don't you support I don't
allow freedom.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
I don't I don't allow a sonomists and sadists to
try to use my morals against me exactly.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
And that's and that's what we need to get to.
And that's why whenever you hear an argument from somebody
who's saying like, oh, well, don't you think that this
this El Salvadoran who was illegal should get a trial? No,
he's here illegal, he has no rights. The thing is
is the United States of Americas constitution is solely for
Americans who are legal and naturalized citizens. We don't there's

(59:56):
no country in the world that exists that allows all
all rights to everyone, Like if I'm a foreigner in Qatar, like,
they're not going to afford me the same rights or
anything that they afford that they afford their citizens, and
they don't afford their citizens very much.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Right, and a good point. And our our US Constitution
mentions the word citizen, I believe six times. Unfortunately, it
didn't mention it when it's talking about, uh, the right
to do process. And so there was a bad ruling
by the Supreme Court in the past which said, Okay,

(01:00:32):
well this applies to illegals. If they're getting deported, then
then they're entitled to a trial. But that's a misrepresentation
and a bad ruling by probably a totally liberal at
the time Supreme Court that needs to be revisited, just
like Roe versus Wade was revisited. That needs to be
overturned because that's that's an incorrect interpretation.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
And that's a problem with a mixed a mixed melting
pot culture that doesn't afforce. We don't all have the
same interprettion. We we have to all have the same
interpretation and understanding of words and and theories and and
like our constitution for us to have a cohesive society.
Right now, we cannot have a cohesive society because we

(01:01:14):
don't even agree on anything, Like there are large parts
of the the country that don't agree on fundamental basic
things like like men and women. And that's a problem.
That's a problem, that's that's a fundamental misunderstanding of each
other on a reality level, Like their reality is completely
different than ours. Because like when the when the founders

(01:01:35):
put the due processing and they probably they probably thought, well,
it's just obvious, like it's only for Americans, like we're
we're only gonna give due process to our citizens, Like
you don't get to come here illegally break because you've
already broken our law. And we all understand that if
you break the law, like you've fundamentally given up your
right to your to yours or you've given up your

(01:01:57):
rights because you've broken the law. So like if I,
I don't know, commit a crime, I can be jailed
and then tried. I will get some due process to
get the evidence. But you there's like you're already forfeited
your rights. You could be detained because there's reason, there's
a reasonable amount of evidence that you've committed a crime. Well,

(01:02:18):
the fact that somebody who is not a citizen of
this country is in the country, that's more than overwhelming
evidence that they committed to crime. So therefore they don't
get due process. You aren't a citizen of the United States.
So when somebody cries about it now Salvadoran getting deported
even though they weren't allowed to do process, I'm sorry
you don't get to know. I'm sorry you've entered illegally

(01:02:39):
during a period where our laws were being subverted, like
you go or somebody who's on a visa that that
is protesting, See, I am not for like the you know,
if you speak out against Israel, you're bad. But as
far as a person who's on a visa and is
not a part of this country, we had whatever for
whatever reason, we can revoke that any time we want.

(01:03:01):
There has to no due process, like you're here on
our good graces if we find what you don't get
to like engage in our political process and change our
political structure as a person who is not a citizen,
like and I would say the same thing for APEC,
like you don't get to come here and advocate for
a foreign nations interests over ours like personally.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Point and it's not even about Israel or a pac
But no foreign country, no matter who is, none none,
that kind of influence over our legislator, our US congressman,
like APAC and in Israel does no no country should.
I don't care who.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
And that's what that's what I ran on and when
I was running for Senate, I want to get rid
of the FFARAH. There should not be a Foreign Agents
Registration Act. There should be no like diplomacy should be
enacted only on the level of the executive branch, the
President and the State Department. They exact and they they
interact with treaties and such with other foreign nations. We

(01:03:59):
do not. We should not have people who even are
citizens advocating on behalf of the interests of foreign nations
to our legislature. That just shouldn't happen. Like any foreign
nation doesn't have to be just. Israel doesn't have to
be just. I don't care who you are. If you're not,
if you're not advocating for American interests, you have no
business being a lobbying agent.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Yeah, I agree to really, And I don't know if
you saw today so that the US House passed the
Save Act, so it's going to the Senate now, you know,
requiring proof of citizenship in order to vote in our elections,
which is already this is already a law. It's already
in the Constitution. But they're just kind of, I don't know,
saying just in case you forgot, because clearly they did,

(01:04:41):
because you know, Elon Musk and those reported that two
million Social Security numbers were given to illegals and some
of them were registering to vote, and we're voting in
our elections, which should trigger I don't know, like an
investigation of every single election back to twenty twenty or earlier.
If we know for a fact, those illegals voted, some

(01:05:02):
of those elections should be overturned, like in Arizona, where
we have a fake governor Cartel Katie Hobbs. We have
a fake attorney general Chris Mays. You know Adrian Fonts,
a secretary of state. He stole his election. So did
our senator against Carrie Lake, Reuben Diego. So how many illegals?
How many fake votes were cast by illegal citizens with

(01:05:24):
stolen Social Security numbers? That's what I want to know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
So my idea would be this, Like for voting, not
only do you have to be a citizen and provide ID,
well I have a well, okay, let me just start
with so the system should be handwritten paper ballots, hand counted,
entered in a data spreadsheet so one everybody can see
if you voted or not whatever, because that's already a thing.

(01:05:49):
But then you are given a number where you can
access your voting record and see who your vote was
registered for. Not everybody can see it, just you, and
then some sount they handcount all of them. They manually
enter into the data system like who you voted for?
And that account is solely for you, and you're the
only one other than the election commission that can access

(01:06:11):
your voting record to see that your vote was counted
as it was cast, and that's the only way to
ensure fair elections. On the other hand, if voting was
meant to be a right, it would be in the
Bill of Rights of the Constitution. It was never meant
to be a right given to people for merely existing
in the United States, you have, voting is access to

(01:06:33):
political power, and it is dangerous. The elections have dangerous
consequences if you've elected the wrong people. So having uninformed
masses of people voting just because they they are here
is a problem. You should have to have an invested
stake in the United States as well being to vote,
meaning like, okay, so you want to vote, We're not

(01:06:55):
going to make it really hard. You have to do service,
like a community service. You can be firefoot, whatever, some
type of duty man, women. It's like, whoever is eligible
to vote, like you have to do some type of service,
whether military people automatic you're in the military, automatic vote,
firefighter police automatic vote. And then for everybody else, like

(01:07:18):
to gain a vote, you have to do some type
of service to the community. And it could be whatever.
I mean, we can figure that out. But there has
to be something that makes you have a stake in
the in the United States as well being you can't
just vote because like, oh, somebody to get out, somebody,
some rockstar told me to get out and vote for

(01:07:40):
this person or that person, and I have no idea
who they are or what they what they represent, and
you know, it's it's dangerous. And we saw that with Biden.
We had a person who was literally a vegetable in office,
well all his entire cabinet was running the show, and
he was just like he was doing There were people
doing auto pen in his name. He had no idea

(01:08:01):
what they were doing. He's probably eating ice cream.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Are null and void by the way, including so someone
arrest Fauci right now the auto pen.

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Pardon well, And that's another thing is like where's cash
batell and Dan Mangino. And I'm not hating on these guys,
but it's like, yodah, where where where are the arrests?
Where are some where some type of accountability? Why are
you put like cash, why are you putting out things
that say go hug an FBI agent? Fuck? No, I'm sorry,
excuse no, I'm sorry. No, Like dude, they ruined my life,

(01:08:34):
like you expect me to hog an FBI agent. They
literally ruined my life. Like what are you talking about?
I'm sorry, no.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Do you remember when Cash Battel said that day one
when he enters the FBI, he's going to turn it
into a museum and shut it down. Remember, Yeah, Well
it didn't happen. It's not shut down.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Well not just that, but like Cash, like, and this
is the problem. We don't have a coherent culture. Why
is cash Buttel swearing in on the bahagavad Gita, Like
he didn't swear in a Bible. He's swear swore in
a on a foreign like like essentially a pagan book,
like something that's heretical to the Christian belief Like okay,

(01:09:13):
like you can believe that, Cash, but like when we're
in the West and we're in America, we have Christian
values and you should swear in on a Christian Bible.
And that's just the way it is. Like you don't
have to believe the Bible, you just have to swear
in on it. That's what we do. But for some reason,
we're allowing people to swear in on all these various
texts that I'm sorry, but you have to hold the

(01:09:34):
oath to America and America is a Christian nation.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Yeah, I agree completely. That's how I was founded. That's
how our you know, founding fathers did it mentioned in
the Bill of Rights in the Constitution. That's the facts
of it. That's what we should do. Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know how we're going to fix permanently some
of these cultural issues in unless there's legislation in the

(01:10:00):
in the Congress, you know, basically closing the border. And
we need to also end this ridiculous H one B
program which has widespread fraud. Elon is for it, but
there's a lot of stuff that's been revealed. I mean
there's they're bringing in literal H one B English teachers

(01:10:20):
and janitors and cooks. I mean, it's all been exposed.
It's ripe with fraud. You know, fine, if you want
to keep it in the future, but pause it pa pausive,
pause all immigration, pause the border, pause H one b's
clean it up, fix it. Then you can restart it
in a much reduced capacity. And we're gonna need legislation

(01:10:42):
on all this stuff. And I don't know. I haven't
I haven't been too impressed with the speed of the Congress.
Everything's being slow walked. Speaker Johnson is very weak.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
And you know, yeah, no, And that's the thing is like,
so I opposed Eric who ended up losing, and he
blamed me. He said, oh, well, Thomas Leeger was a
fraudulently candidate and a Democrat plant and he's the worry
reason I lost the election. Well, first off, Eric Hovedy
was not He goes to a church. He goes to
the same actually, he goes to the same church that

(01:11:15):
the Madison Christian School shooter attended, Bethel Church that supports
transgender children. It's part of RICKS, which is Reconciliation in
christ which literally has books that say how to address
your non binary children and stuff like. That's not Christian,
so he's not for that. That same church also hosts
anti gun events. Eric Hovedy is actually pro abortion because

(01:11:38):
he uses he supports and funds stem cell research research
that uses fetal stem cells. The guy was hand chosen
to run for Senate in Wisconsin by Mitch McConnell China.
Mitch and Robin Voss also supports China, and he supported
Eric Hovedy. Robin Voss literally blocked a bill that would

(01:12:01):
have passed in our legislature that said China can no
longer own land in Wisconsin. So why would a Republican
block that bill because they support China. So Eric Hovedy
was meant and hand chosen by Mitch McConnell to ascend
to the so because Mitch McConnell was stepping down from
the Senate leadership and so he wanted to handpick his successor.

(01:12:21):
That's why as soon as Hubby lost, there was a
big fight over who was going to take over Senate
leadership because Hovedy was supposed to go in there and
be the Paul Ryan and stop the Trump agenda in
the Senate. So they had to scramble and find another
senator that had enough backing to get in there to
block the Trump agenda. We have all these rhinos still
in there, and that's the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
Yeah, that is that's what they did. That's why they
stole those races in California and Arizona so that the
Rhinos could have more control and more influence. And you're seeing,
you're seeing how slow everything's running now and how many
things you're getting blocked. And that's what they did to
Trump's first term as well. We just need to I'd
like to see all I've said this before. I'd like

(01:13:01):
to see all of the US Congress replaced with the
j six prisoners. There's some there's some good and some
bad on both sides.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Right whatever I think. I think So, I mean, if
you had the Whitmer guys in there too, I'm fine
with it. Like we have been targeted by the government,
we would probably know better than anybody like how bad
stuff has gotten. And there needs to be a big change,
especially when it comes to the FBI and stuff. I mean,

(01:13:32):
they're My personal opinion is that we need an International
Intelligence Deproliferation Act. Intelligence agencies are a cancer on society.
The secret police that do secret things and psyops military
intelligence that do siops on the public. It's a it's
harming people to the point of like completely destroying like

(01:13:53):
a common shared reality, Like like we're in a post
reality where like people can hold varying opinion on the
same issue and just be equally. They could just find
facts that fit their narrative. We have to have some
kind of unity, and that's never going to happen with
these intelligence agencies. Kind of pushing for these different things,
using high Gilian dialectics on us, pushing us one way

(01:14:15):
and the other. It's almost like they just want to
keep doing this until they exhaust us, because we're like,
we thought we were winning and then we found out
we were completely screwed. We thought we were winning, we
were completely screwed, to the point where we're just like,
I don't care. I don't care anymore. They're just trying
to make us. They're trying to break us down, Like
we can't have these intelligence agencies running things, and we
need a legislature will that's one not compromised, two that's

(01:14:40):
willing to stand up and actually have some some cajones
and not be pushed around by the intelligence agencies and
remove their black budgets, remove all their ability to have
secret dealings, and really clean house. I think that's the
only way to do it, is to remove the powers,
the special powers of the CIA and the FBI, and

(01:15:01):
remove the Patriot Act. I mean, why are we still
using the Patriot Act at all?

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
It should be removed. Yep. There's a lot of legislation
like that, and it's it's really dangerous to keep those
things in place and even to keep like the FBI
and the CIA in place, Like maybe you have some
good leadership now, but as soon as there's a Democrat
in the White House, you know it's gonna flip right back.
So it's it's extremely dangerous to leave it all in place.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Yeah, it's like when there's a Democrat in, there's actual
dangerous leadership. And now when the Republican is in and
Donald Trump is in the best of the best that
we have, we don't. We have just barely good leadership
because they're just not attacking on us, right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
They don't. They just don't do anything like Pamboma. It
doesn't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Yeah, we wanted we wanted justice, we wanted accountability. We
didn't get that. We're not getting attacked anymore or and
arrested and thrown in prison, but we're also not getting accountability.
We're just getting like a neutral area, like we need
we need that. Like I just don't think you can
clean house. You can't clean the FBI up from the

(01:16:07):
inside of the FBI. It needs to be abolished. We
can hand over their powers to the US marshals, and
I'm sure there's issues with them, but we can handle
that easier because it's a constitutional agency that's been around
longer the FBI should have never been created. The CIA, whatever,
abolish them. We already have military intelligence. We don't need

(01:16:28):
the Central Intelligence Agency, right, like, get rid of them.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
All we already doing, basically is interfering in other nations
like governments basically and picking leaders of other nations. And
how is that the CIA's mandate. How is that what
they're supposed to be doing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
And it says it's about us interest but the thing
is is, like how are US interests served by continuously
getting us into wars where we die on foreign soil
or like they're part of the USAI d scam, like
they help get these like it's it's all. It's all
a money making scheme, and it's like we just don't
need it doesn't serve our interests. There's nothing like we

(01:17:09):
have military intelligence. If we need to fight a war,
military intelligence could do the job. CIA doesn't need to
be around all the CIA people either, you know, we
kind of we should review them. Also, the CIA has
been like caught having not like for investigations, but just
having child pornography on their computers like for fun for them,
Like they're they're fun is watching child porn like it

(01:17:30):
wasn't for any investigation, like they've been found by BuzzFeed.
You have all this, so like.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
Ever gonna get these new Epstein files released? Because I've
heard that there's a thousand FBI agents working day and night,
twenty four hours.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
With I bet they're all burned paper. I bet they're
all gone.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Yeah, what happened to all the tapes that the FBI had?
They had these security tapes, we're supposed clients on them.
How about releasing those zero arrests your arrest.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
For the thing is is like all these powerful people
that like are probably caught up in this are guaranteed
not probably guaranteed to be caught up in this. They're
not gonna allow those to sit around. They're gonna be
like destroying.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Yeah, I'm sure they were destroyed, but I don't know.
I don't think Pambonni is ever gonna release them. I'm
not sure if they, like you said, if they exist anymore.
Everything I forgot about. Oh look over here, look over here.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
It keeps us, It keeps us focused on non issues
like they want to keep it. That's why you have
like like libs of TikTok and stuff like like granted,
like they do some good work, but they continuously keep
us focused on this like LGBT thing, which is like okay,
we all kind of agree already, like that's it's craziness.
We're not gonna allow that. But like let's go on
to more important topics, like you know, tyranny from the

(01:18:51):
DJ holding people accountable, and even if all those tapes
and everything are burned or gone or destroyed, like we
have enough stuff right now to just go Like Islayne
Maxwell is still around, like press her for information, give
her some type of immunity, and we have ways of
getting accountability and figuring this out. It's just those who

(01:19:13):
are implicated are so powerful that they're saying, you know,
if you do this, like we're gonna like a mutually
assured destruction, Like we're gonna pull all our strings. And
it's like I think, I think President Trump his real
focus is on creating an economic boom in America and
once once we get that, maybe we could get some

(01:19:34):
real justice. I don't know, but I think his main
focus is like we have to like there's a bigger
enemy and that's China. So it's like it's a multifaceted thing.
We are our world so messed up right now because
it's it's happened and been allowed for so long, and
now we're finally involved, and it's it's kind of a
step by step process. I think. I think Trump is

(01:19:55):
focusing on the economy, get ourselves from under Chinese China's thumb,
and then from there maybe we could get more and
who knows, maybe cash ho telling Dan Bongino and Plan
BONDI are doing all sorts of stuff in the background. Yeah,
we don't know about. But you know, I'm not gonna
trust the plan. I'm sorry. I'm not like a Q
person like trust the plan. We're just like all this stuff.

(01:20:18):
It's just like I'll believe it when I see it.
I really hope it's going on. I'm glad I'm not
being attacked anymore. I'd love to have some accountability by
the FBI. But at the end of the day, just
pardon our guys, like so we can move on with
our lives and educate the people on our own. We
got to do things, like I said, like the Victims
of government weaponism or weaponized government support network, like we

(01:20:41):
do that to educate people and to help each other
out and.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Developing like a website for that or it's just an.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
X so right what started out as just an X
space that I kind of ran for my personal account.
Now it's like I have a rumble under my main chan.
I'm hoping to have like its own its own rumble chan.
It's like its own main rumble channel, its own main
X account. It's just a matter of uh, strap for

(01:21:11):
funds right now. There's a lot of I want to
make sure that we have a check mark when we
when we do the X stuff. So it's just it's
just getting the popularity and stuff and making sure that
we have like a stable footing to start. And I'd
like to, you know, maybe make it a five oh
one or something and see where we could go from there.
But it's Eric and me are kind of I've kind

(01:21:31):
of been working on it. Eric's got a lot of
his own stuff going on, so whatever he can't deal with,
I kind of deal with. And so it's just a
slow process, step by step.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
Right. Well, I hope it's successful and I hope, you know,
we can we can make some positive change. Get those pardons, uh,
you know, get get some real people of conviction and
courage in our government and do what needs to be
done well.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
I do. I do uh plan on running again in
Wisconsin for a House. I don't know exactly when, but
I do plan on running for the House at some point,
maybe for CD two. You're probably this is the first
podcast I think I've actually said that definitively. So I
ran for Senate. We have an election coming out for

(01:22:17):
CD two. Mark Buchan, who's a Democrat, is right now
the sitting House member for CD two. It's a kind
of liberal district, but I think I live in this
district and I see a lot of change in in
what people think in this district and it's not so
far into the Democrat pocket as they think, so look

(01:22:41):
out for that. I might. I will definitely be running again,
just depends on which election. I don't know if it's
twenty six or twenty eight. And we're kind of just
taking it by year, trying to find out put out
feelers to see how we could run an effective campaign.
But it's going to happen well.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
Perfect And I'm going to put your on the screen
or your ex profile. It's at Thomas c Leaguer at
Thomas c Leaguer, so give him a follow check it out. Yeah,
keep us, keep us updated, And I do appreciate you coming.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
On the show absolutely, man my pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
Shout out anything else you want to or summarize, you know,
the key things that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
So yeah, just follow me on X and you'll you'll
get all the updates for the victims of government weaponization
or weaponized government support network. You'll get all that you
know from my for my ex account. I mainly operate
on X. Do have some other accounts, but Facebook is
kind of dead to me, and other places I just
find actually be the best place to go. So follow
me on X with the at Thomas c Leager on

(01:23:42):
the bottom of the screen there that you'll figure out
everything I'm doing. I have some good takes and bad takes.
I do. Uh. I do tend to be a little
bit vulgar at times, but sometimes I think we need
that like wake up where it's like, okay, we can
we can use our free speech anyway we want, Like
just because people are offended doesn't mean that we can't
do it. So yeah, just follow me there and uh yeah,

(01:24:06):
you'll get all the updates you need and hopefully they'll
be back on with Brian and I'm gonna try to
get you Christina Urso to come on. Yeah. Talk, please
do talk about stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Please do reach out. Thanks again, Thomas Leeger Again, my
name is Brian Farrens. This is the Magamine Podcast. Follow
us on Magnamine podcast dot com, follow me on except
Brian Farrens one and just thank you to all our
listeners and to Thomas h. You know, we we want
to pray also for those that are being held as
a political prisoners, whether they're J six or under false

(01:24:37):
FBI hoaxes like with the Wimmer plot. For the speedy release.
In Jesus name, we asked that, and God bless all
our viewers.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Amen, thank you,

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