The Dangers of Early Voting and Mail-In Voting X Space Live with Experts Panel Hosted by Brian Ference

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're only three minutes past, so it's not too big
of a deal. But again, my name is Brian Farrence.
I'm hosting this space. I host my space a little
bit different. We're going to run in orderly, kind of
in the order that we have.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
The speakers listed.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
We're going to give each speaker about fifteen minutes to
talk about the dangers of early voting and mail and voting.
Please don't interrupt the other speakers. If you are listed
as a speaker, please do request the mic, and myself
or my co host Mark will add you as a speaker.
But we're not going to allow currently just any listeners

(00:33):
to have a mic, but maybe at the end. So
we'll give fifteen minutes for each speaker, will go in
order unless anyone has to leave early, and then what
we will do is we will allow some interaction between
the panelists, any questions there, and at the end we'll
open it up to audience listener listener questions if we

(00:53):
have time. So let's see, let me just see. Oops,
I do see there's a couple of people have requested
the mic. I see Shelby there. Again, if you are
listed as a speaker, please do request the mic, and
then we're going to go basically in order. I see
that we have Jeff, who's there is and he's known

(01:16):
as the loan Raccoon. But Jeff, if you would like
to unmute and get us started off again on our
topic of the dangers of early voting and mail in voting.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Well, I really appreciate the space and the chance to
do this. I'm looking around the people here and I
and them have been beating the drum on this for
over two years, three years since we.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
All in our own way came.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Across the realization that quite a few of the methods
of election fraud go right through and require required this
incredible amount of absentee and early voting. I'll ad in
as well, that occurred in twenty twenty, as we all know,

(02:15):
and it quite simply.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Has to go away.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
It has to go back to what it was before,
meaning if you want to vote absentee, you have to
have an excuse, you have to be deployed military or
verifiably confined. What the rules were before, it should be
the rules again. And I would go further and say
that the states who are currently all male, looking at you, Washington,

(02:46):
for instance, as an example, you need to rethink that
you need to start hammering many of the many I'm
sure of your legislators and that in these states never
give a thought to it, because it's just the way
we've always done things, and it's very important that they
understand the way, the way they've always done things is

(03:09):
the way to make sure that the results of every
election are indeed mostly predefined.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, it's a great point, Jeff. Can we lose still there? Jeff,
I am here, sir, Okay, Yeah, keep going.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
I think I'm going to give you, you know, your
a full fifteen minutes uninterrupted. I do want to let
everyone know please do share this space, Please do share it,
repost it, and again, if you are listed as a speaker,
please do request the micro But we're going to keep
in order, so you know, Jeff going, anything you'd like
to discuss on the on the topic of the dangers
of early voting and mail voting.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
All right, absolutely, thank you. What I've personally found, and
I think it's I think it's crucially important is that
when I began looking at the patterns of mail in voting,
a lot of this was by when we started to

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get access to these cast vote records for those who
aren't familiar, I think of a cast vote record in
most cases like a spreadsheet, where every line on the
spreadsheet is a ballot that came in and across the line,
across the columns are the different races and tells who
was voted for. Doesn't say the name of the voter

(04:34):
or any information about them, but it does give you
the idea of which ballots had what combination of votes
on them, and what order in a lot of cases
that they came in. That enabled me to track to
graph the the build of the votes, basically replay the election.

(04:59):
You could take, for instance, in the twenty twenty election,
you could take the president's Trump's percentage of the vote
at any at any point from beginning to end and
see how it went. And what really opened my eyes
to what had happened was when I found out that
hundreds of counties across the country, when you just looked

(05:20):
at the mail and absentee voting, had a a very
very similar pattern to them, and it was a pattern
that that did not was in no way close to
what you would expect with with mail and absentee balloting,
for instance, that you know one of the one of
the core concepts is that that that by and large,

(05:44):
absentee balance are sent and received sort of randomly. People
request the balance or they receive the balance. Whenever they do,
they fill them out when they think about it, They
toast them into mail when they think about it, they
get sorted in with all the other mail and finally delivered.
And in places, you know, there are a few states

(06:05):
that then then sort them, which of course they weren't
able to analyze those as well, but in the most
most of the cases it's not the case. And then
so you get an actual look at what should be
a sort of random and you can actually test that
by looking at the precincts that these came from. And
if the precinct are relatively randomly distributed, then the votes

(06:30):
on them should also be. It's talking about remember we're
talking about mail in because you know, people point out
that yes, Democrats tend to vote mail in and Republicans
vote tend to vote election day. That's why I looked
at the mail in ballots, because they they should approach
a random distribution, and they didn't come anywhere close to

(06:53):
it in this It's I saw it first in in Mesa, Colorado.

Speaker 5 (06:58):
UH.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
And the advantage there was that I was you know,
I was actually able to see the the data in
the server itself and then compare that to the to
the cat's old record. And then I saw this, this
pattern that shouldn't happen, and I thought, well, okay, this
is just one weird county. But then as people started

(07:22):
sending me more and more of these and more and
more of them ended up having the same pattern. Now, this,
this this pattern shows a pre load at the beginning
that is very favorable to the Democrat candidate to Biden
in the in the twenty twenty election. And you know,
for instance, in in Mesa, Colorado, which is a very

(07:46):
very red county. UH, the first uh, you know, the
first five thousand or so votes were actually pro pro
Biden that came in by the mail.

Speaker 6 (08:01):
UH.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
And and a lot of a lot of bad things happen.
And you can see if you look into the reports
that I've written there. But the point is it created
a pattern. That pattern then appears all over the country
from coast to coast literally, and it's even a predictable pattern.
And by predictable, I mean that in these uh, in

(08:22):
these hundreds of counties. If you look at let's say,
let's say that halfway through the counting of the male balance,
Donald Trump had received let's say forty percent of at
that point. Uh, if you multiply that out and and
by by one point too, you would have what his

(08:45):
ending would be. So it would be, uh, you know,
forty percent, you know, plus you know, twenty percent of
forty math he would end up at whatever one point
two talks forty percent is my my brain is good.
But that happened over and over and over all these places.
Well the you know this, This was the big kicker

(09:07):
for me that this, this rampant unrestricted mail in voting
was one of the keys to the fraud that occurred
in twenty twenty and I took it upon myself, as
others did, to try to get the word out that
if we were going to win at at all in

(09:30):
twenty twenty four, we had to convince Republicans to come
back home to voting on election Day, and.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Many of them did.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
And I think that's one of the reasons that we
have that we have in the White House right now,
is because many of the Republicans who voted by mail
took the convenient, easy way out, went ahead and you know,
did the hard thing, did the right thing, went in
and voted on election day. So another issue, you know,

(10:03):
for it is that the systems that we're dealing with,
the computerized systems know perfectly well or can approximate to
a great degree, what's coming in as far as the
early balloting, and so they know on election day they've
got a pretty good idea, if not exactly an idea

(10:25):
of what the votes are. And at that point, any
kind of nonsense that goes on inside the machines, if
they need to, they can go in and bessade the
data a little more because they know this. How do
I know this? Let me give you an example, and
again I'll go back to MESA because it's where I

(10:46):
have so much information. Someone and that ran from the
election computer system the results a couple of days before
the election. Uh in in the this is the twenty
twenty one election that I have now all that data form.
They know they're not supposed to do that, but they

(11:09):
knew what the results were before election day at that
point they definitely did so. So are by by voting early,
uh and by voting by mail we are giving them
the opportunity to to have fore knowledge of how much

(11:29):
extra fraud they need to counteract whatever whatever huge Republican
election election date votes come in. So I mean, this
is you know, this is you know, to me, it's
a deadly serious issue.

Speaker 7 (11:45):
It has to.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
It has to be addressed, and people need to keep
talking about it. So that, in a in a nutshell,
is why I advise, well, no one but certainly no
no Republican, no, no America first, no MAGA person uh
to take the easy way out and vote early, because

(12:09):
you're you're really playing into their hands. I like the
people who who speak against that, we'll pay something like well,
it's like we can't start playing in the fourth quarter
when of the other team's been scoring for the first
three quarters. What they what they miss in that metaphor
is that in our particular cases of our elections, in

(12:30):
the fourth quarter, the referees go home and they know
at that point how many points they need, and that
that to me is a better, a better metaphor for
for what's going on. So you know, please don't vote early,
don't vote mail, don't let your friends vote early, and

(12:51):
and start you know, pushing our our our you know,
President Trump and as people are aware of this problem
and they need to know that we're demanding that they
solve it. And that's not only a federal level, of course,
it's at a state level as well. All of the

(13:14):
reasons given for expanding mail in voting in twenty twenty
are no longer applicable. They simply aren't, so they should
be they should be taken away. They should go back
reset to the way it was before before the twenty
twenty election. So that may or may not have been

(13:38):
the whole fifteen minutes that you were expecting. But I'd
also be happy at any point to answer anybody questions
I assume there's going to be time for that later
about what I've seen. You know what I found. I
did a documentary if it Fingerprints of Fraud themovie dot Com.

(14:00):
Chapter three of that deals with this this pattern, which
I call the Masa pattern by the way, because I
got first in Mason County, how this Mason pattern is
simply impossible, and how it's being used and was used

(14:21):
to steal our elections. So thanks again Brian for for
letting me talk.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Thank you Jeff, and thanks for being the brave one
going first as well, and you did at the end
exactly what I do want all of our speakers to do.
It can be at the beginning if they'd like, please
do give just a brief introduction, like Jeff, did you
know shout out any you know social media or website
that you want as well.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Take a minute to that. But Jeff, please do.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Stick stick around because we will have questions first from
our other panelists, and then at the end, if there's time,
we'll open it up to all the listeners. But thank
you again, Jeff, and I'm going to turn over to
our next speaker, which is Laurie. So Laurie go ahead
and on mute. Please do give a brief introduction and.

Speaker 8 (15:04):
If you have, Hi, Brian. Thank you so much for
the space. I see so many familiar faces.

Speaker 9 (15:13):
I love everybody on the space for everything that they've done.

Speaker 8 (15:17):
These are truly the people.

Speaker 9 (15:18):
That are fighting to restore our republican form of local
self government. I'm the state lead for Mike Lindell's Cause
of America here in Texas. We educate and network together
Texans that want to restore handcounting in their precincts. I
work with Texas handcounts that created an Echo sixty five

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system that improved on the original handcount system that we
have here in Texas. And I also am the director
of Teally Texas, which is also educating voters about local
self government. And I'm on the Williamson County republic Party
Election Integrity Committee. So I have spent four years trying

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to remedy an injury by esn s electronic voting systems.
And I was, like a lot of these people, I didn't,
you know, I didn't know much about our elections, how
they worked, what county wide polling was, or really really
much about it. And have spent four years diving in to,
you know, everything that I could sponge up on the subject.

Speaker 8 (16:30):
And ballid by mail is not my area.

Speaker 9 (16:33):
I focus on malfunction voting system standards, defects and deficiencies
is primarily where I focus. And early voting has been
called the county wide is called county wide voting before
they gave it an official name in Texas in two
thousand and nine, it was called county wide and you

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could go vote anywhere in the county early and it
was it crept it kind of incrementally, you know, county
by county, and the legislature incrementally instituted, you know, standards
and statutes that subverted the security of our ballot boxes.
So Texas actually brags about being the pioneer. In nineteen

(17:21):
eighty seven eighty eight, Texas created pioneered the early voting
in person process. And sorry, everybody, I was ten and
it it was at first they had like a main
branch location and it was one location and if you
and it wasn't seventeen days before election day, right, So

(17:43):
it started slow, like three days four days before election day,
you could go and cast your ballot at the county
clerk's office where they had like an election coordinator underneath them.

Speaker 8 (17:54):
That wasn't a full department, wasn't a.

Speaker 9 (17:57):
Twenty four to seven, three sixty five operation, and you
could go cast your ballot at that main branch location.
And then you know, every legislative session every two years,
they would add more to it. Oh well, now how
about having a temporary branch location. And so they it
slowly expanded out to where you had multiple branch locations.

(18:17):
And this impacted the purity of the ballot box. And
when we're talking about purity, we're talking about you know,
Precinct two sixty SEVENS ballots remaining with Precinct two sixty
SEVENS ballots and remaining pure. And now you had a
situation where everybody's ballots are being mixed up inside the

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ballot box together, which made it very difficult to detect.

Speaker 8 (18:43):
Fraud in the same way.

Speaker 9 (18:44):
And so it's turned into this behemoth of a system.
And they created a program called the County wide Pulling
Place Program. Now that ninety nine of the largest counties
in Texas have adopted, eighty five percent of registered voters
are being forced to use it. And this is a
system that allows you to vote anywhere, not only during

(19:06):
this extended early voting in person period, but also an
election day.

Speaker 8 (19:13):
You can vote anywhere in what's called a vote center.
And I know a lot of you have that in
your state.

Speaker 9 (19:19):
But they kind of conditioned us with the word county wide,
like that was what early.

Speaker 8 (19:24):
Voting was called.

Speaker 9 (19:25):
It was this county wide. Then they could commit created
this program. Well, on election day, if you go back,
if you look in Texas statutes and go look at
election day, how election day was run. It was on
one day and it was like this for one hundred years.
From late eighteen eighties when we joined the Union until

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the nineteen eighties, we had it on one day and
the political parties were the elections by the people. That
was the purpose. The constitutional purpose of the political parties
were that you had trusted trade and stakeholders of the
power being transferred, maintaining possession and oversight of the ballot box.

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And so when you start extending those days out, the
precinct chairs could no longer be the presiding judge for
seventeen days, right, And so the government slowly started taking
more oversight over this process for county wide. So if
you look at election day, you had your precinct chair

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presiding judges that were a black robe that took on
the powers of a black robe district judge on election
day and they became the honorable presiding judge of.

Speaker 8 (20:42):
Precinct two sixty seven.

Speaker 9 (20:44):
And from the moment that those ballots showed up that morning,
they went into possession of their precinct chair, which is
your neighbor, right, We all lived together in this precinct,
this election precinct, and they would take possession of these ballots,
and every single preprinted ballot had to have they're handwritten
what signature on the back of every ballot, and so

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they were in charge supervising the polling location, making sure
that everybody showed up. They of course year round, they
were looking at the voter registration list. They had a team,
you know, of ten people that were their trusted hand counters,
they're trusted clerks.

Speaker 8 (21:21):
And you had this major party of election officials.

Speaker 9 (21:26):
That really the people had the oversight over the entire process.
And so now for the early voting in person period,
they are stamping the election administrator's signature on the back
of the ballot. So you can no longer detect if
somebody were to throw a box of ballots out, or
were to duplicate a box of ballots, there's no way

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to detect that that ballot originated in a polling location
during the election. And so in most counties they still
signed the back of the ballot, which you could turn
the ballot over and you could go ask the presiding
judge and say, hey, is this your signature, and they'd say, yep,
that's my signature.

Speaker 8 (22:07):
Or you know, if you were going to have to
stuff the ballot box.

Speaker 9 (22:11):
Enough to change the outcome of the election, it was
so decentralized, you would need all the precinct chairs, a
large amount of them, to cheat, and you would need
to forge those precinct chair presiding judges signatures on the
back of the ballot, and you would have to do
enough to change the outcome of the election without being detected.
And so what this early voting period has allowed was

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basically the government the election the unelected election administrator has
taken the presiding judge power over the early vote centers.
And so now we've been the people have been reduced
to like a clerk that stamps the back of the
ballots with the election administrator's initials on behalf of.

Speaker 8 (22:54):
The election administrator. So it's a they're ordering our ballot,
our blank ballot paper with.

Speaker 9 (23:00):
Those initials preprinted on the back of the ballot. And
so that was your primary way to detect ballot stuffing
and ballot fraud, and that you could authenticate that a
ballot was legal and valid was this handwritten signature on
the back.

Speaker 8 (23:15):
And they created this.

Speaker 9 (23:16):
Whole period that the people can no longer have oversight
in supervision over all of these ballots, and then they
push everybody to vote. Of course, y'all all know, they
push everybody to vote early.

Speaker 8 (23:30):
So instead of it being.

Speaker 9 (23:31):
This thing like a last minute thing, Hey, i can't
go vote on election day, so I'm going to go
cast my ballot at the main branch location in an emergency,
it become the primary method of voters. They're pushing everybody
into this insecure period where you cannot detect fraud. And

(23:51):
so if you want your ballot to be pure and secure,
the best chance you have of that is to vote
in person on a election day at the location closest
to your house until we can restore local self government
in our precincts. And so that's what I have a
problem with early voting. I believe that we are changing

(24:13):
hearts and minds to restore election day only elections. And
I'd be even okay. I'm gonna probably get some egg
for this, but I would be okay with an incremental
step back to a three day continuous period that was
convenient for the party political party precinct chairsh to preside

(24:34):
over a polling location in their precinct for three continuous
days while we educate and re enfranchise, bring back the
people that have been disenfranchised by this destabilizing system, so thank.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
You, thank you so much, Lourie, And just a reminder
to everyone please do share, like and repost this space.
We have a lot more people coming in for our speakers.
We are going in order. Next up is going to
be Shelby from We the People a Z before I
turn it over to her. Though I do see some

(25:09):
speakers that I did send an invite to to the microphone,
so please check for that and accept that. And if
you don't see it, go ahead and request the mic
and I will make sure to give that to you.
For right now, it's just our our scheduled speakers.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
We're going to go and order.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Unless anyone has a conflict, and with that, I will
turn it over to Shelby Bush from We the People Arizona.
Please do give a brief, you know, invite our intro
into your background and shout out any you know website
or socials that you want when you when you begin,
go ahead, Shelby.

Speaker 10 (25:38):
Hello everybody.

Speaker 11 (25:39):
Shelby Bush, I am the chairman of We the People
USA Alliance and with the People as Alliance, our website
is We the People Asalliance dot com and you can
also visit us foremost active on Twitter our organization, We've
got a pretty extensive team of experts in various fields,

(26:03):
from data to legal and investigators. We've been working on
election fraud since I would say probably around twenty fifteen.
Twenty sixteen was when we first started looking at election fraud,
at least myself and Steve and a few others.

Speaker 10 (26:22):
And once the.

Speaker 11 (26:25):
Twenty eighteen election occurred Americopa County in the state of Arizona,
we recognized that there were some significant, significant problems in elections.
And then moving into twenty twenty, we were very fortunate
to be invited to be part of a team to
look into what had occurred in twenty twenty.

Speaker 10 (26:45):
And we've been fighting.

Speaker 11 (26:48):
Election integrity, if that's even a word anymore, ever since.
And you know, the biggest, the biggest issue, We'll start
with early voting, because early voting and mail in ballots
can be two different things, right, So I want to.

Speaker 10 (27:05):
Echo what Laurie had said. You know, run.

Speaker 11 (27:10):
Back run Back Voting Services, who does a lot of
the printing nationally. They're actually based here in Arizona. They
led the charge on the vote center models that Laurie
was talking about.

Speaker 10 (27:23):
They actually created.

Speaker 11 (27:26):
That model and presented at the Association of Secretary of
States and put the big push forward to do the
vote centers, so to move away from precincts and to
allow ballot on demand printing to occur during early voting.
This became a nightmare for anybody that actually wanted to

(27:48):
analyze and look at precincts and really get down to
the nitty gritty, especially and lieu of the fact that
many of us are now facing obstacles receiving vote records,
so that that's you know, problem number one with early voting.

Speaker 10 (28:05):
Number two with the early.

Speaker 11 (28:07):
Voting problem is we have these ballot on demand printers
that are printing ballots at pulling centers based on where
somebody lives and what ballot design they need. There is
really no checks and balance on how many of those
ballots are being printed. Mohave County with former Senator Sonny
Burrelli he's now a Board of supervisor, they are pushing

(28:30):
for the Hologram, you know, fraud proof ballots in Mohave County,
which I think that's great and I think it's a
step in the right direction. But they also signed the
contract with Runback Election Services and they're encouraging all fifteen
counties in the state of Arizona, along with many other states,

(28:53):
to move to these hologram ballot contracts with runback.

Speaker 10 (28:57):
Well, you know, the problem is.

Speaker 11 (29:00):
Isn't that you have some man in their underwear and
a basement printing thousands of ballots. It's not even necessary
when you have vote centers all across the country pumping
out ballots at unauditable rates with no reconciliation. Americopa County
alone there were one in the twenty twenty four election.

(29:22):
There were one point four million mail in ballots returned,
and run back election services mailed out two point five
million ballots.

Speaker 10 (29:33):
So when you've got.

Speaker 11 (29:34):
You know, ballot on demand all across the state and
all across the county, and you've got over a million
ballots floating in the hemisphere, there's no need to print
fraudulent ballots. And I'm really concerned that we're going in
the wrong direction and creating a sense of false security

(29:54):
when we tell people, you know, well, we're going to
make sure the ballot's legitimate. Well, the problem is these
are legitimate ballots being voted illegally, and there is a
huge difference. And so you know, as Lori had said,
I know Lori. In addition to the vote centers, I
think her and Jeff both touched on the fact that

(30:16):
they know what our results are, they know what they
need to cheat, and they know days and days in advance.
One of the things we worked on with one of
our state legislators, Alex Coligan, and Kurt Olsen actually played
a role in this with us as well. He's getting
language into statute that they had to post publicly within

(30:37):
five days of the election all slog files system log
files that would prove that they were not downloading results
during the twenty nine days of tabulation in advance. Not
one state or not one county in the state of
Arizona has complied with that statute, and as a matter

(30:59):
of fact, they have been the slog file public records.
All they posted was the Election Maintenance System incident logs. Well,
for those of you that understand how these tabulators work,
especially when you're dealing with massive vote centers and large counties,

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you can pull the results of each individual tabulator without
ever loading those results into the EMS system. So just
because they're not pulling the results from the mainframe doesn't
mean they're not pulling them from these tabulators and knowing
what our results are, so it's incredibly dangerous.

Speaker 10 (31:38):
It gives them the edge on fraud.

Speaker 11 (31:42):
In addition, if we transition kind of over to the
mail and ballot aspect of this, you know, we were
very honored.

Speaker 10 (31:50):
To receive access to.

Speaker 11 (31:52):
The twenty twenty mail in ballots, the ballot AFPHA David envelopes.
We were given access to the digital scans for the
twenty twenty election, and we performed an audit of those
mail in ballots and we determined that almost ten percent

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of them were so egregiously mismatched there was no way
it was the signer. Many of them even had signatures
that didn't match the name of the person on the
ballot affidavit envelope. Then we found another ten to twelve
percent that failed to meet any kind of systematic process

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for signature verification. They failed to meet the Secretary of
states own standards for how to verify signatures. So when
you look at an election like twenty twenty, where there
was one point nine million mail in ballots, and you
have evidence in front of you that twenty percent of
those mail in ballots should not have passed the Mustard test,

(32:57):
that will change the result of any election in the
state of Arizona. So the signature verification process used for
these mail in ballots. I call it the biggest scam
on the American people. And I know a lot of
people have said that mail in ballot or that COVID
was the biggest scam, but at least people are waking

(33:17):
up to it. Mail in ballots is a scam that
they created and started on the American people that is
ongoing and continuing, and they spend millions of dollars promoting
this process onto the American people with no counter to

(33:37):
the argument. And when you try and speak out about it,
you know, you all have seen the blowback that you
get when you stand up against mail in ballots. You know,
it was a big issue during this last election because
there were so many big organizations, including you know, I

(33:59):
hate to say it, including the Trump campaign pushing the
chase the ballot in the early ballot voting process, which
made it hard for many of us to stay consistent
with our message.

Speaker 10 (34:12):
Without getting blowback. But the bottom line is we can.

Speaker 11 (34:19):
We can get millions of Republicans to go out and
vote by mail, But the question is are they really
voting Republican? Are these really Republicans voting? And that's what
we don't know. And so you know, having this process
that is so non transparent, right is the problem. And

(34:43):
let me give you an example. So we had a
huge voter turnout in America, the county and the state
of Arizona. We swung for Trump higher than any other
swing state in the country, but yet we lost a lot.

Speaker 10 (34:58):
Of down ballot races.

Speaker 11 (35:00):
And when we analyzed the data, we found one hundred
and ninety six precincts in Maricopa County that swung sixty
two percent for the Democrat halfway through the election, so
the Republican was winning. And then those precincts swung by

(35:20):
more than sixty two percent and the final tabulation of
mail in ballots for the Democrat candidate, and these were
all Republican precincts where it would have required for the
vote count that Democrats got, it would have required that
over twenty percent of the Republican voters voted Democrat.

Speaker 10 (35:40):
So what does that tell you?

Speaker 11 (35:42):
It tells you that it doesn't matter whether there's a
dear and R next to that voter when you're actually
looking at the statistics. All that matters is what the
ballot looks like inside the envelope. And if they have
the ability to access all of these ballots and vote
these ballots however they want, they can paint the narrative, well,

(36:05):
that Republicans just don't like the candidate, right, how many
of you have heard like Republicans for Kamala Harris or
Republicans for Ruben Gego, when in reality.

Speaker 10 (36:15):
It's a very very very small percentage of people.

Speaker 11 (36:18):
But they create the narrative, they put it out in
the news, and then they say, well, we can't help it.
Twenty percent of the Republicans voted for the Democrat candidate,
and that's why they're shifted. Or you know, so many
more people liked this establishment candidate that nobody has supported

(36:38):
and nobody donated to, but they just liked it better.
We are currently in a lawsuit with Maricopa County to
receive the twenty twenty two ballot off of David envelopes.
We filed that lawsuit back in twenty twenty and it's
just now starting to see the light of day. And

(37:01):
you know, one of the issues they did here is
they adopted the scanned images of these mail in ballad
affidavit envelopes into the voter record to use them as
exemplars or comparative signatures.

Speaker 10 (37:18):
So why is that a problem, Well, it's two fold
a problem.

Speaker 11 (37:21):
Number one, then they can lean on the fact that
the voter record is not public record right because now
it's part of the voter record, So it puts the
bar at a higher standard for people like us to
audit those.

Speaker 10 (37:35):
And the other.

Speaker 11 (37:36):
Reason it's a problem is, you know, think about if
somebody got a hold of your checkbook and they forge
your signature on a check and they managed to cash
it at the bank. Now that signature becomes your new
signature on your bank card instead of your bank signature card,
and now they can cast checks on your account indefinitely,

(37:58):
and and it's legitimate because the signature matches. So they
are literally taking fraudulent signatures and adopting them into the registration.

Speaker 10 (38:09):
File and voting for people. You know.

Speaker 11 (38:13):
One of the other things that we saw that we're
looking into is when we were auditing, we were able
to see in the metadata that two people do vote
or one person does vote twice. And we saw this
over and over and over again. The duplicate voter situation.
They claim that this system is so secure that this

(38:34):
can't happen. But what we found is when they scan
these ballot alphadavit envelopes and into the system, so somebody
may have voter ID you know, one, two, three, four,
five six, and then they're also registered under five, six, seven,
eight ninety ten as their voter ID. Both envelopes get accepted,
both envelopes get counted, and here's where it gets really

(38:56):
bad once they recognize it's the same person and they.

Speaker 10 (39:00):
Merged those voter files.

Speaker 11 (39:02):
The secondary vote, the secondary ballot envelope is merged into
the other account and effectively the evidence of that second
vote is hidden. So they're actually covering up the evidence
of these duplicate votes through the system they're using. And

(39:22):
the last thing I want to touch on is I
think we saw this across the country. So if anybody
else on the Speakers panel has seen this, you know,
please mention it. But we looked at the early ballot,
the early ballot lists, so all the early ballot scent
list in Maricopa County, and we saw where there were

(39:44):
thousands upon thousands of ballot Alfhi David envelopes that were
mailed out with the wrong zip code.

Speaker 10 (39:51):
And then subsequently.

Speaker 11 (39:54):
Days later they were reissued with the right zip code.
And they say that these secondary ballots, you know, will
supersede the first ballot, so if they get returned by
the post Office, etc. They call it peace IDs, So
they claim that only one of those piece IDs will

(40:15):
be counted. But the question I have for them and
for the American people is which one is being counted,
because it doesn't really work the way they claim it works.
If a secondary mail in ballot is issued, the first
one doesn't automatically become void. It's literally whichever one is
received first gets counted first. So when you've got all

(40:40):
of these unaccounted for mail and ballots out there, and
then you've got people requesting secondary and tertiary mail in ballots,
how do they know that it's actually their ballot that
was counted? And we discovered during the curing process, which
is where they say the signature doesn't match, so they
contact the voter or the political party contacts the voter.

(41:02):
We have actually had people come forward and say that
is not my signature.

Speaker 10 (41:08):
On that ballot.

Speaker 11 (41:08):
ALFA David envelope that was counted, and so how do
we know they're not being swapped out?

Speaker 10 (41:14):
Like we do not know?

Speaker 11 (41:16):
And that is the problem, and there is no transparency,
and they do it all in the guise of protecting
the voter, when in reality it's just one big major
election scam and a way that they can control and
manipulate the situation and make sure that the results they
want are found. And there's so much, so much more
that we can talk about. But I'm going to go

(41:37):
ahead now and yield, Brian, so you can get your
other speakers up.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Thank you, Shelby. I just had a question. Did you
mention the number of early vote ballots that had zero
rejections for signature verification?

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Did you mention that? No?

Speaker 10 (41:53):
No, I didn't.

Speaker 11 (41:54):
Oh my gosh, Like I said, there's so much more
I could talk about, like the timing data, so excuse me.
We analyze the timing data. So our data technician, who
is phenomenal, our data director, we started thinking watching the
videos and looking at how bad these ballots were.

Speaker 12 (42:15):
And so.

Speaker 11 (42:17):
We thought, well, there's got to be a way that
we can determine the rejection and the acceptance rates of
these ballots, and so we put in a public records
request and it took us quite some time, but our
data director was able to actually get them to generate
a report that showed every acceptance and rejection. So for

(42:39):
the twenty twenty and there's so much more to this
data we can talk about, but what Brian is referencing,
we determined in the twenty twenty election there were one
point nine million million ballots counted Americopa County. First, one
point three million ballot off A David's all went through

(43:01):
in the first level of signature verification without a single rejection.
So let that sync in and many of them were
approved in under a second. So for those of you
that are a little bit techy, you'll understand that the
loading process and the acceptance process in itself will take longer.
So it almost looked like it was an automated acceptance

(43:25):
of one point three million.

Speaker 10 (43:27):
Ballot Alpha davids.

Speaker 11 (43:29):
And then the other strange thing we found is after
those one point three million ballots were all accepted without
any rejections, an entirely new signature verification crew came on
board and completed the other point point seven million ballots

(43:50):
ballot affidavit envelopes and their acceptance and rejection rate was normalized,
so you know, all of the one point three million
we're pushed through, and then they brought in a whole
new crew of signature verifiers for the last seven hundred thousand.

(44:10):
Did I answer your question, Brian?

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Thank you for sharing that. So our next speaker is
going to be Mark Cook.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Before we go to Mark though, just for the people
that have joined, this space is running in a little
bit more organized fashion than most spaces were going in
order of a pre approved list of panelist speakers. Some
of them you know, may not be here, so we
can move around I do. I'm looking for Holly Kessler.
I don't see that she's joined. If someone can messege her,

(44:38):
have a request the mic uh And then also I've
been asked to add Linda Rance.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
I think it's C C of A Missouri.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Linda, please do request that Mike again, I'll try to
find you and add you as well.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
But so now we're going to go to Mark Cook.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Mark, please do give an intro and shout out any
website or socials you want a reminder to everyone on
the space, please do share and repost and like it.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Go ahead and Mark.

Speaker 13 (45:08):
Gay sounds good. Thanks very much everyone. Obviously, you can
find me on x here at Patriot Mark Cook. I've
got a website, one of many, but the biggest one
that I have put up here is handcount roadshow dot org.
All one word handcount roadshow dot org. So I know
a lot of people that are on here. I see
tons of friends, and we have all kind of found

(45:29):
each other. None of us really knew each other. I
didn't know any of these people prior to all this.
But there's a lot of very good experts that have
looked at data all across the country or sometimes just
in their states, and everyone has looked at it in
a different way, but we're coming to the same conclusions.
Everything's converging to the same thing, and that is that
we have a system that has been engineered, an election

(45:51):
ecosystem from top to bottom, from the voter registrations all
the way to election night reporting, including the media and
other political components of it. But the whole thing's been
fully engineered in order to create an illusion for the
people yet allow sophisticated covert manipulation underneath to shift and
control election results. Sorry, that's just that's what it is.

(46:13):
That's wherever what everyone's seeing. We are seeing the symptoms
of this fully engineered, corrupt election ecosystem every day, so
we've got to just acknowledge it. I think everyone on
this call probably is, but the rest of the public
seems to be a little bit slow catching up. So
their basic game is, you know, calculate which ballots they
need to stuff in in order to affect the results
of the election, and then stuff those ballots in to

(46:34):
shift the results.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
Pretty simple.

Speaker 13 (46:35):
So little background on me. I've been in it for
forty years. I've been a complex systems root cause analyst.
I've been doing forensics for quite a while as well.
I have worked with probably about every single speaker that's
on here and spent sometimes many many months working side
by side them. Everyone's absolutely brilliant. I and was asked
to go out to DC right after the twenty twenty

(46:57):
election and take a look at the election eCos and
figure out where the fraud may have been. So that's
where I really dove in first, and I got my
feet not only wet, but I got my whole body drenched.
And I realized when I saw what I saw out
there and what the system has been built like I
realized what state our country is actually in. So I've

(47:18):
worked on lots of cases around Tina Peters. I've worked
side by side Jeff O'Donnell on that one, Walter Doherty,
Doug Gould, a bunch of very very smart people. I
helped and assisted with Kerry Lake stuff. I've worked with
Shelby for a long time as well. I saw all
of that data. I've just testified all over the country.

(47:39):
I've traveled all over the country as kind of a
private investigator, state by state, county by county, trying to
figure out what's actually going on, double checking everything that
other people have found as well, because I wanted to
try to approach it from a different angle and make
sure I came to the same conclusions.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
So we've got professional.

Speaker 13 (47:57):
Election manipulation engineers that have designed this entire ecosystem, and
they've been doing it for quite a while. I'm talking decades.
In decades they've been doing it. Their means have just
become much more sophisticated with the advent of technology. So
if you want to see a brief that I wrote,
actually had handed to Jim Jordan on May I think
thirteenth of twenty twenty four. If you go to the

(48:20):
handcount roadshow dot org website and you'll see a picture
of a trailer, a travel trailer, a little RV looking thing.

Speaker 4 (48:26):
Click on that.

Speaker 13 (48:27):
Download that brief. It's titled the Engineered Theft. Let's see
engineered theft of a Nation or something like that.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
But read that.

Speaker 13 (48:37):
It's give you an idea of where my head was
at least last year. So mail in voting, I just
want to go over this real quick here. It's really
important for people to understand. In mail in voting, when
a mailed ballot is received by the county, they've got
an envelope, regardless of the information on the front of it,

(48:57):
regardless of the signature verifying your let's say the signature's
perfect and verifies fine, everything else verifies. At some point
that envelope has opened and the ballot is removed. When
that ballot is removed, there is no way for anyone
to know who filled that ballot out. It doesn't matter
what signature is on the front. There's no way to

(49:18):
definitively know who filled the ballot out because it just
showed up in an envelope. Even Wayne Williams, the previous
Secretary of State of Colorado has admitted that in a
room full of people, there's no way to know that.
So if there's no way to know who actually filled
out the ballot, then how do you know if the
person that filled out the ballot is an eligible voter?

(49:40):
If you don't know who it is, there's no way
to determine eligibility of the voter. Therefore, how on earth
can we legally tabulate that ballot if the eligibility of
the voter cannot be determined. Your signatures are on the
dark web. If you ever filled anything out that's ever
been scanned, or you've ever signed one of those little
LCD screens at the gas station, your signatures most likely

(50:05):
already on the dark web. It's already in the databases
that are used for the stupid Agilius machine, sorry Runbeck,
but or the Colorado score system or whatever system your
state uses to handle the signatures. They're stored there. So
if a bad actor has access to that database, then
that bad actor has access to all those signatures as well,

(50:25):
and in fact, all the information that would need to
be validated against the same database. So basically, if the
criminal is inside the system, already or has access to
someone that's inside the system. The entire security of the
system is gone, and that's the state that we're in. Sadly,
you know that the signatures are a joke because there's

(50:46):
no training, no real training, there's no testing to see
if people actually know how to do it properly with
one accuracy. There's no way to know if what's showing
on the screen when they're doing their signature verification, if
they're not just trusting the agil to do it, if
what is on the screen is even the same thing
that's on the envelope, because all that could be faked

(51:06):
very easily by a bad actor, and no one would
know the difference if that was being faked unless they
examined every single one of them by hand.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
There's no quality control. Really. You know Arizona woodpecker.

Speaker 13 (51:18):
If you don't know what the Arizona woodpecker is, that's
a guy in Arizona doing signature verification that was caught
on video and you know, sixty two ballots he okayed
in one minute, and a professional signature verifier, you know,
professional forensic document analyst, could not do it in less
than ten seconds. One signature in less than ten seconds,

(51:40):
and this guy, this normal citizen, was able to do
over one per second.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
That's insane. Obviously they're not even looking at a lot
of the signatures in most of the case.

Speaker 13 (51:49):
I had a friend and CEU Boulder. His mom actually
was a signature verifier. And you know, after she rejected
six signatures, she was pulled aside and fired from her
position because she was rejecting too many signatures and she
was rejecting the signatures because they weren't even close to
a match. But they fired her and replaced her with
someone else, and they kept doing that to other people

(52:11):
until they got people that just accepted all the signatures.
I mean, these are the games that are being played
so COVID, if anyone hasn't figured that out yet, it
was to create mass absentee voting across the entire country
in a size large enough to actually manipulate the election
the twenty twenty election. It was also used to put

(52:33):
in county wide voting everywhere it wasn't and central tabulation.
Both county wide voting and central tabulation are facilities to
launder ballots. It increases the ability for ballots to be
laundered in the system to break chain of custody and
not be able to track where manipulation is. It makes
it easy to insert fraud anywhere. So we need to

(52:55):
get educated. And one way you do that is go
to handcount, roadshow dot or go up to get educated
and scroll down to bank your vote early voting scam.
That is a page I put together to help people
understand how this thing works. Imagine this. If I know
what your party affiliation is, and I know that you voted,
I can probably figure out what your ballot's going to

(53:17):
look like.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
I would have a pretty good estimation of that.

Speaker 13 (53:20):
And so if there was a database of how everyone
is going to vote, which way they lean which By
the way, there is anyone that knows this can just
buy these databases.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
The parties have access.

Speaker 13 (53:30):
To them, and there's different qualities of these databases out there. Now,
imagine big tech blending in data like what you buy
on Amazon and what you tweet and what you email.
Imagine they had all that data and they could create
a voting profile for every single person in the country
that's voting and know exactly how they feel about every
issue and about every candidate. Now, if they had access

(53:52):
to all that which, by the way they do, and
they use that information combined with the fact that they
know you voted, they could create a model of the
election results on the side before and without ever looking
at a ballot. Imagine that all they need to know
is if someone's voted. They combine that with the voting
profile information they already have, and they can build a
model of the election results without looking at ballots. Now,

(54:15):
imagine they did that and then they knew what they
wanted the election results to be. All they'd have to
do is subtract the difference, know exactly what ballots they
have to stuff to counter the real votes. But imagine
them being able to or trying to do that all
in one day. Be very difficult to do it in
one day. So what do they need. They need early voting.
They need a period of time to gather all this

(54:36):
information and to be able to stuff all this in
and spread it out so it doesn't get cost. Keep
it below the radar, sprinkle a little bit here, sprinkle
a little bit here, a little bit here, while they
monitor all of this data, and they pull a ton
of data in during early voting. That's why they want
all these electronic poll books. That's why the system they've created,

(54:56):
the mail in ballot tracking system, you know, it's called
called ballot tracks in Colorado, Texas has when all these
states have one. They didn't create the ballot tracking system
for us, even though they claimed they did. That was
the con to give them runway to create the system
and have us pay for it. But what they really
created it for was so they could monitor who's mailing

(55:18):
in a ballot so they could feed their results model,
and the electronic pullbooks take care of that data for
them in real time as people walk in to vote.
They have all this stuff during early voting, but that
wasn't enough because most people are procrastinator. So even though
we had early voting, people were waiting too long to vote.
So they had to figure out, how do we convince
people to vote as early as possible in early voting

(55:39):
so we have enough time to make all these adjustments. Well,
bank your Vote, that whole scam showed up, and of
course the RNC pushed the bank your Vote scam. So
I've just been watching this progression. This is what they're doing.
So go to that bank your Vote early voting scam
page you can. I got a full write up on it,
and JP Sears at the end of it has an
amazing video, brilliant six minute video that goes through that

(56:01):
process in a much more comedic way than I can.
And I also ran a comparative analysis between all the
voting methods. So at the bottom of the screen you'll
see a link for right way voting, and that right
way voting link is also under the get Educated tab
on the website. Click on that and it'll take you
right to the comparative analysis that I created for the
different voting methods. And it's very obvious. You know, when

(56:23):
you have an uncontrolled environment, you can't secure it. So
remember that any uncontrolled environment is inherently insecure. Well, mail
in balance and early voting are uncontrolled environments. Mail in
ballots totally uncontrolled. And so what you need to do
to secure system is you have to reduce the attack
surface of the system as much as possible to secure
the system. You don't create a larger attack surface to

(56:46):
secure systems. And that's all the progression of our election
systems have done over the years is increase the attack surface.
The only reason someone would want to increase the attack
surface is to be able to have more ways to
abuse this system.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
If you think about the people that pushed.

Speaker 13 (57:03):
The early voting in mail in voting, here are the
people in the twenty twenty era. Michelle Obama, Elizabeth Warren,
Kamala Harris, the Democrat Party, Priorities, USA Action, Senate Majority Pack,
Next Gen America Vote, Dot Org, Swing Left, Common Cause,
New York Demos, National Democratic Redistricting Committee that was in

(57:24):
twenty twenty four, and then Woke Vote has been pushing
early in mail in from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty.
I mean read the you know that's the writing on
the wall here and then Republican side. That all started
in twenty twenty two, and fortunately I think Trump was
very ill advised, but Ronald McDaniel was pushing it. Ron DeSantis,
Byrondonald's Keptain McCarthy, Mike Brown, Tommy Tuberville, Charlie Kirk, Blake, Masters,

(57:52):
Newt Gingrich, and Scott Presler. I even ran into Scott
Presler at the Arizona GOP think Shelby was even there
when we were demonstrating a handcount of upstairs. I ran
to him in the bathroom as he was walking out.
I said, hey, Scott, and we know each other. We
actually worked together on the first stop, the Steel rally.
It said, Scott, I got to talk to you about
early voting, and you're pushing something that's really dangerous. He

(58:13):
looked at me and said, Mark, every single expert has
told me the same thing, including Professor David Clements, which,
by the way, is here I see by David, I said,
including Professor David Clements.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
And I don't care. I'm not going to stop.

Speaker 13 (58:26):
And then he stormed off and I followed him into
the green room and I said, we really need to
talk about this sometime, but at least when you look
at the hand counting that we're doing upstairs, so you
can share that with all your followers.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
He refused to even walk upstairs to see what we
were doing.

Speaker 13 (58:41):
And then the organizations that have been pushing it, the RNC,
National Republican Senatorial Committee, National Republican Congressional Committee, Turning Point Action,
and Early Vote Action, which of course is Scott Presler's baby.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
So we are up.

Speaker 13 (58:53):
Against some people that are just totally confused and need
to have their head screwed on straight again. And we
are up against people that are pushing this in order
to benefit themselves and others.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
And I guarantee if we don't get rid.

Speaker 13 (59:07):
Of early voting and mail in voting and go back
to one of the safest methods of voting, with the
smallest attack service and most controlled environment, which is election
day in person voting.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
We will lose.

Speaker 13 (59:20):
In twenty twenty six, we will lose the House in
the Senate, and then they will newter what's left of
Trump and we will be done over. And when I
say well, I'm not talking about Republicans, I'm talking about
the American citizens will completely and forever lose control of
their election systems, which right now is hanging on by
a thread. And those election systems do belong to us.

(59:41):
Our elections, not politicians, elections, not corporations. Elections, our elections.
And early voting and mail in voting is exactly what's
used to manipulate elections on a massive scale, both locally
and nationally in any multitude of different ways. I don't
want to take up, you know, more than my alloted time.

(01:00:03):
I'm happy to answer any questions at any time you can.
Anyone can reach me if they want. Three zero three
nine to nine zero two six six zero is my
phone number. Feel free to call me. Keep the death
threats to a minimum. I'm happy to have any conversation
with anyone. Thank you very much, and I yield.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Thank you, Mark, and I really appreciate your summary at
the end, A very strong, strong summary. So our next
speakers are Sean Smith and David Clementz. I did send
them both MIKE requests. I believe both have to accept
those still sewn. Smith, I do have you next if
you're able to. I just sent you another MIC request
if you're able to accept that. Otherwise we'll go to

(01:00:43):
David Clemtz, who I did the same for as well.
But Sean Smith, you are listed as our next speaker.

Speaker 14 (01:00:49):
If you can.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Accept that that's my request, then we will have you next.
Just as we're waiting for that. Just a reminder for
all to please do share this space again.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
We are going in order of our listed panel of speakers.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Some people were not available or will be coming later,
and we do have some additional speakers that we will
have at the end and then some open discussion between
our panelists.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
But again let's see if yes.

Speaker 15 (01:01:18):
Brian I need to remove we have ah, there you go. Yeah,
I just a couple of people around so that people
can grab the mic.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Okay, yeah, if if you don't mind, uh ash in America,
I'm gonna I'm gonna demote you currently.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Okay, thank you? All right, So I see David's there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Can we get Sean Smith in as well, Caroline, you
might maybe just remove people that have spoke already if
they don't mind, but we can readd them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
All right. Do you see a request in there? Let's see.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Okay, there we go, Sean Smith. You should be in
there now, Sean. You should have a mic coming in, yes, yes,
and please do give an intro, shout out anything you'd
like website or otherwise, and then you have a fifteen
minutes sir.

Speaker 7 (01:02:18):
Okay. So, so my name is Sean Smith.

Speaker 16 (01:02:20):
If you don't know me, I'm a retired Air Force
officer who kind of magooed my way into election integrity
and along with Ash Epp and Holly Kason and Jeff
Young and Michelle Bogel, we stood up a cause of
America after Mike asked us to you. And again it's
a funny story, but I thought he was asking us
what somebody else should do. But anyway, so I'm still

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with Cause of America. You can find this at Causewoamerica
dot org. We've got our library should be coming up
this week or next week. And I recommend everybody else
who's already spoken and commend everything else they said.

Speaker 7 (01:02:54):
I'm in one hundred percent agreement.

Speaker 16 (01:02:56):
I refer people to most of their sites, their information
all the time, and a lot of it, you know,
if it's I'm a universal plagiarist.

Speaker 7 (01:03:05):
So if somebody's got.

Speaker 16 (01:03:06):
Something better, then we've got I only care about whether
it's better, and we'll put it in the library.

Speaker 7 (01:03:12):
You know, we're not. We don't have any pride of
authorship like that. So apologize to the background.

Speaker 16 (01:03:19):
I is, there's some kids in here playing grab ass.
But so so what I would say, you know, mark
summary of the situation I think is excellent.

Speaker 7 (01:03:28):
I think there's also some things that.

Speaker 16 (01:03:29):
People should say attention to, just as rules of thumb
when you're looking at considerations, and we have a lot
of discussions from people who don't understand, you know, or
who have a very small understanding, or sometimes you have,
you know, some kind of an axig writer an agenda where.

Speaker 7 (01:03:46):
They try to allege, well, it's not.

Speaker 16 (01:03:47):
The machines it's it's the mail in votes. Well, it's
not the mail in voats, it's the machines.

Speaker 7 (01:03:51):
It's not the you know, there's so.

Speaker 16 (01:03:53):
Early voting and mail in voting are among the top problems.
Obviously inaccurate, grossly inaccurate, insecure, fraudulent voter roles are where
the whole thing starts. Everything else takes advantage of that.
But you don't need any of that to be true
to have machine manipulations.

Speaker 7 (01:04:13):
So each of those, you.

Speaker 16 (01:04:15):
Know, fake fake voters in the in the voter role,
fake ballots, whether that's you know, something that somebody printed
at home, or the Kinko's, or the election ballot printer
printed off a bunch of them, or it was printed
on a ballot and demand printer. They're all fake ballots, right.
The only thing that isn't a fake ballot is an
official ballot that is given from an election official to

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a voter and with the voter returned to that election official,
which which again is part of the problem with with
mail in and early voting, But I'll come back to that.
And then the third problem is fake counts. And we
can't afford not to address all three of those because
every one of them is a is a massive superset
of vulnerabilities that are being taken advantage of by what

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the disinformation and just reel likes to call bad actors.
And you don't have to look very far to figure
out who the bad actors are. And the reason for
that is that you know, they revealed themselves when they
when they tell you what.

Speaker 7 (01:05:12):
They're fighting against.

Speaker 16 (01:05:13):
So this has been going on a long time. Like
you can go back and look at what got implicated
into our federal statutes, you know by by the inclusion
of week or effectively non existent.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Those are IV standards.

Speaker 16 (01:05:32):
So when you look at the federal statutes, the federal
statutes will allow and this is why the states have
incorporated it. And this was done by National Association of
Secretariates of State and National Association of State Election Directors
and the International Association of Government Officials, which is the
like national level organization for clerks, as well as by
election industry itself, like the vendors and things like that,

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all underneath the kind of umbrella of protect provided by
the lobbyist class and the compromised political class. So they
put this system in place which allows for you know,
basically fraudulent ID to be used. And once you have

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fraudulent ID, all manner of corruption and abuse are possible.
And we are seen, right, And then you have the centralization,
and then you have sartus and noise, so you have
central anytime you see one of these factors, you know
that contributes to opacity, reduces transparency, that creates distance, or

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creates an obstacle to citizens verifying things. Every time you
see one of these it is deliberate, as Mark describes.
Now a lot of them come dressed in sheep's clothing, right,
they have some sort of benevolent stated purpose in the
same way that the Inflation Reduction Act stated that it
was the Inflation Reduction Act on what it really was

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was a massive grift, a giveaway of basically a rating
of the US treasury and also an attempt to essentially
devalue US currency. And you see the same thing like
North Korea. North Korea's official name is the Democratic People's
Republic of Korea. Well, clearly it's not that. So every

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one of these measures, like Mark described, every one of
these measures that's been implemented has been to the detriment
of integrity and transparency and accuracy, and so you can
apply these rules of thumb anything that creates a symmetry
for a citizen to be able to verify the who
has voted, and whether an individual has voted, and what

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ballots were counted, and what was on each ballot, and
whether the final tality reflects the sum total of legitimate
ballots cast by eligible electors, and nothing more. Every obstacle
that's been erected that creates it's a symmetry where it's
a greater burden for you, or for citizens, or for
citizen groups. Everything like that is essentially a weapon pointed

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at the heart of representative constitutional government, of a republican
form of government. And so early voting is just the
latest development.

Speaker 7 (01:08:21):
It's nothing.

Speaker 16 (01:08:22):
It's not exactly new, because we've had mail in voting
since the Civil War in the United States, and in fact,
the Civil War was the first time that mail in
voting was used and the first time that mail and
voting was abused for fraud. I mean, Abraham Lincoln almost
hung military officers and civilians over it, and he should
have probably in my opinion, that's that's the appropriate response

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for treason, and a coup is treason, and if you
try to change election results at that scale, to change
the outcome for national election, you're effectively taking away control
of government.

Speaker 7 (01:08:56):
From the citizens.

Speaker 16 (01:08:57):
So there's a rule of thumb is if anything that
creates a symmetry is inherently anti election integrity, it is
inherently against the Republican form of government if it creates
a greater burden for a citizen to obtain the information,

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have access to it, to analyze it. So look at
some of the methods and the factors in our elections
that show a symmetry that works against citizens. Start with
the voter rules. They're supposed to release, according to the
National Voter Registration Act, all their details of maintenance activities

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on the voter rules, which would tell you who's off
at what changes have been vague. They're supposed to release
that to the public at little or no cost and
in a timely fashion. But what do they actually do.
They give you excerpts. In some places you have to
pay exorbitantly for it, like I think Mike paid thirty
thousand dollars for one set of alib AM's voter roles

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and voting history. In other places it's relatively inexpensive, but
that'll change too when they realize how people are analyzing it.
So there's a perfect example that should be available to
the public at no cost any near real time, but
the federal government actually has to fight for access to it.
If you saw the President's March executive order, you know,

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the President basically said, go get that stuff and prioritize
investigation and prosecution in any state where you don't get
free access. So the next step obviously for that is
for all of that voter role data to be available
to the American people, you know, basically readily accessible. Then
you get to the question of mail in or absent

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key voting. There's some legitimate reasons, right, you'll cav a
voters if you're in the service of your country and
you're overseas, you know, or if you if you permanently
live overseas, like you're just with a contractor something, it's
not the service of your country. I still think you
ought to be able to absentee vote. But those should
be very tightly controlled, right. There should be controls like

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required government issued photo ID, a notary or a witness.
It must be a citizen, they must.

Speaker 7 (01:11:11):
Include their idea.

Speaker 16 (01:11:12):
Those kind of constraints are reasonable, and instead what they
have done is a road all of those safeguards. And
then when you look at the statutes for identification, they
allow things that it's literally not possible for an election official,
like at a county level or at a state level,
even there's no way for them to verify like a

(01:11:33):
canceled bank check. Do we imagine anywhere that an election
official is calling up the bank that the check reports
to be from to verify that that individual is the
bank account holder? They might not even be allowed.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Did we lose you there?

Speaker 7 (01:11:53):
That mean? Okay, can you hear me? Still? Sorry about that?

Speaker 16 (01:11:59):
So then there's the voter ID issue so that you
really like and Mark was describing and like Shelby described,
there's very there's very little chance that we will actually
be able to verify that a ballot signature and identification
is who it purports to be. Then there's the issue
of all this data being public, and Mark scratch the

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surface of that. But it's not just you know, it's
not just the ballot tracks and other services. It's also
that the postal Service has been scanning the outside of
the mail balance with intelligent mail barcodes on them and
affidated signatures, and that that states can designate and have
designated proxies to receive those images.

Speaker 7 (01:12:41):
And that metadate.

Speaker 16 (01:12:42):
So we don't even know who has copies of the
legitimate signatures and has associated them with the voter data.
And we don't know how many fraudulent signatures are in
the databases because there's no independent auditing. There's been no
federal enforcement and no independent auditing on those databases. So
all that leads up to the point, now you have

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all these ballots that are flown around without any controls
on them. I'm of the same mindset of Shelby that
I think a lot of the people that purport different
safeguards for ballots like watermarks and holograms and stuff like that,
they're not really effective safeguards. There's no replacement for refusing
to break chain of custody. But what I mean by

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that is taking your ballot or receiving your ballot and
voting it in place actual precinct on election day, just
handing it directly to a sworn official. Once you let
go of it, you've broken chain of custody and you
can never really restore it. All you can do is
reduce by very small increments the possibility of fraud and

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of misuse or abuse of those ballots.

Speaker 7 (01:13:47):
Think about the fact that.

Speaker 16 (01:13:49):
Voters don't even know how their ballot has been counted.
But we can fix that, right, We can fix that
by instead of doing machine counting and the images and
all that abstraction within the black box voting like like
Bev Harris describe back in two thousand and two, or
you know the issues that were described in Vote Scammed
by the Callier Brothers back in the seventies, or by

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Sheila Parks in her twenty twelve book. While we still
have time. This is not none of these phenomena are new.
It's just that the architecture of them has now come
together into such a just an absolute juggernaut of a
machine that is pointed at the heart of our representative government.
And I don't I understand, you know. I think it

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was Laurie's perspective that maybe we back this down to
like three days instead of one day. I think, based
on my experience, that you try to negotiate a way
integrity and you'll always lose. I think what we have
to all do is start insisting unreasonably if necessary, Like,

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at what point you say, you know, a little bit
of rape is okay, not a lot of rape, but
a little bit of rape.

Speaker 7 (01:15:05):
I think you wouldn't.

Speaker 16 (01:15:06):
And if it's your kids, you wouldn't, and if it's
your family, you wouldn't. And yet that's what we're talking
about with our election systems. What we need to do,
and what we have done, is identify a system like
we had before, but better that will eliminate the possibilities
for fraught, that is anti fragile against them, and that

(01:15:27):
just absolutely just burns the foundation of the fraudulent ecosystem
to the ground. In order to do that, we have
to start over with clean slate photooles. Nobody has any
idea I guarantee. The average rate of inflation of voter
rolls in US state is between fifteen and twenty percent.
Some states are down as low as eight percent, some

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states are up close to thirty percent. But the average,
you know, across the country is huge, and it's more
than enough to sway elections. We have to start over
with clean state voter rolls and they have to be
established in person with government issued photo ID. If we
do something less than that, it's allowing a little bit
of right, and then we have to eliminate no excuse

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mailing and absentee balloting completely. There has to be a
justified reason that's accepted by the election official, justified documented
and it shouldn't be something permanent unless somebody has like
a permanent disability. And in all of those cases where
we're allowing it, we have to insist that they provide
documentation that requires a witness, whether it's a notary or

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a witness, with their signature and with a copy of
both of their government issued photo IDs. That will eliminate
significant proportions of the fraudulent ballots being introduced. Then there's
the early voting issue. We shouldn't be allowing it at all.
It's totally unnecessary. It was instituted again with the benevolent
claim that it was for convenience and participation.

Speaker 7 (01:16:54):
Et cetera.

Speaker 16 (01:16:55):
What it really does is reduce integrity and the opportunity
to catch the fraud. It's done exactly as Jeff described,
to give them time to adjust models and to produce
and introduce fraudulent ballance. We also have to liminate, by
the way, ballot on demand printing. There's no reason for
it it's illegal and many of the places that actually use it,

(01:17:16):
and it itself lends itself to like Shelby was describing
totally unreconciled and unreconcilable elections, like nobody can keep track
of how many ballots there are printed or in circulation,
and that's again by design. And then the last thing is,
of course, the handcount. A handcount under video eliminates most
of the possibilities for fraud once ballots have all been

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turned in. If we do those things, we restore election
integrity in the United States, and all of a sudden
we'll find out that elected officials are actually accountable to us.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Again.

Speaker 7 (01:17:48):
You know, it was supposed to be that senators were.

Speaker 16 (01:17:50):
Somewhat removed from the temper and will of the people,
so that they had more of an opportunity to consider
sort of long term effects. But the House was suppose
to be responsive to the mood of the people, right,
That's why their elections are more frequent. But what you
see now as so many of our elected officials, it's
like they wear t shirts around with a giant middle

(01:18:12):
finger stuck up on them. They don't care what the
people want. And the reason they don't care is because
they're not accountable through elections. And we can fix it,
but we have to have the will to demand, to
demand what is our right right it has to be.
And I'm you know, people will be upset about it.
People have already been upset about it. Like they say,
I'm advocating for violence.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
I'm not.

Speaker 16 (01:18:33):
But but what I am saying is the Second Amendment
is there for a reason, and its tyranny. And if
a government, you know, as our founder said, when the
government fears the people, there is liberty. Our government does
not fear us enough. We need to be very serious
about our elections. We need to be unreasonable about negotiating

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what we want, and we need to demand and establish
systems for our elections that.

Speaker 7 (01:19:02):
Restore election integrity.

Speaker 16 (01:19:04):
And if we don't do it, we will be lost
and it will be you know, fifty or one hundred
years of darkness, or we will end up in an
armed revolution. That I guarantee that's going to happen. If
you're a student of history and he looked around at
the political sphere, you understand.

Speaker 7 (01:19:20):
How this has happened in other places.

Speaker 16 (01:19:22):
So I really appreciate all the people have attended and
especially all the people you know who have come in
and spoke. There's a lot of people on this call
who have just absolutely dedicated their lives for the last
four or more years to trying to figure out what
the truth was and then share that truth and make
the right thing happen. So I hope the Trump administration

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listens to us. I'm one hundred percent certain Congress is not,
and I have a pretty good idea why they're not.
So anyway, thank you for hosting the space and for
the speakers that went before, and thank you for listening.
And I'll be glad to answer you questions.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
But if he has it, thank you, Sean. I appreciate it.
And excellent job giving some calls to action at the end.
So for you know, a reminder for our speakers, please
do add that at the end if you have some
additional calls to action. For those that have just joined
us or new to the space, this is dangers of
early and mail in voting. Our panelists are hopefully going

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to be sticking to those topics as closely as they can.
You know, a little divergence is allowed here and there.
But then our next speakers coming up is David Clement's David,
I'm going to send you a invite to speak. Please
do accept that after David Illinois Record is busy doing

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some air and so he's he's given up his place
and the next will be Tony from Audit the Vote Pa. So, David,
I did send you a request to speak. I'm not
sure if we have to demote anyone, Caroline, if if
you can help me, if we need to free up
some speaker spots so that un speak next.

Speaker 12 (01:21:03):
We should be okay. I'm giving it a double check.

Speaker 17 (01:21:06):
Brian, I don't know if you can hear me. Could
you give me a thumbs up? Because I can't hear
anything when I'm selected as a speaker. Some thumbs up,
Am I good to go? Okay, I see some thumbs up. Yeah.
My way of introduction. Look, I stumbled into this as
a former prosecutor and law professor that just could not

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understand how everything that I've cherished as a lawyer could
be so upside down and be nonsensical. And so I
really appreciate the technical expertise of all the speakers here.
I've learned so much from so many people, from so
many people that are on this call. Whether they realize

(01:21:47):
it or not. And every time I listen to speaker speak,
I'm able to integrate and slidify things that seemed to
be true and and so it's such an encouragement. I
want to maybe change the course of what I want
to share, because I think the reason why we're in
this space is because many people are feeling somewhat demoralized,

(01:22:13):
because there's this battle between perception and reality, and I
see a group of speakers and listeners that are rooted
in reality, and you're dealing against people or entities organizations
that have a megaphone, or at least it appears they
have a megaphone, and it seems like perception is still

(01:22:36):
you know, shaping prescriptions that we know are dangers for
the future of the Republic. And so I want to
share some anecdotes and stories on where I think we're
going wrong and just to encourage people that are part
of this call to keep pressing forward. And Earlier, Jeff
o'donnald talked about this analogy of a four quarter game

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and basically having you know, our critics would say you're
just not getting involved in the first three quarters, And
I'd like to expand that concept to one of a season.
Typically what happens is when we start talking about the
dangers of early voting. You'll notice right now we're kind
of in a season of calm where a lot of

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we're not getting a ton of flak for having this discussion,
But where you will see a ton of pushback is
right before primary election and right before a general election,
and it's a lot of it seems artificial, like the
bot infestation of how dare you attack my cherished patriot
over here? And right now it's lessening to some degree.

(01:23:46):
So I would just expand that analogy that I look
at year round advocacy like this is actually the best
time to educate people, to bring them to the cause
of truth. And but point one what I want to
mention is that we're not up against a shoe leather campaign.

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I've said this many times. This is not about Democrats
getting out and scouring waste buckets in dorm rooms better
than Republicans. This is about recognizing that there's an industrial
scale cheat that's going on. And in large, large part
of the RNC refuses to recognize that this is an

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industrial operation. And so a lot of the talking points
that I see from Conservative Inc. That I see from
Scott Pressler are just They're easy to just kind of
shoot out of the sky if playing ski. And I
want to give you a couple observations on why I
know this to be true. Number One, right after the

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election last year, I went to Congress and met with
people that you would consider to be MAGA Conservatives. And
I had a meeting with a chief of staff attorney
for a very prominent Republican and he was part of

(01:25:11):
a congressional delegation that went to the Runback facility in
Arizona unannounced. And during this meeting I saw video and
pictures that showed that after election Day, this is the
day after that, the high speed ballot printing machines were

(01:25:32):
still on green lights everywhere, were still generating ballots, that
there were palettes stacked with ballots that were being loaded
onto Penske trucks headed for California, Utah, Nevada, Colorado, and
of course within Arizona itself. The people that were loading

(01:25:58):
the ballots on the Penske trucks were a team of
about five people that weren't English speaking, and the CEO
of Runbeck was shocked and doing everything he could to
get this congressional delegation to leave. So when you think
about that, Okay, let's say that you had, you know,
twenty thousand ballots on each of these pallets heading to

(01:26:20):
these states. You know what can happen, and we know
what could happen. Did happen when you had twenty congressional
races in California alone that on election day had a
firm lead for Republicans and all of those leads went
away as ballots materialized and showed up and were sent. Now,

(01:26:42):
some of you are probably going, well, why doesn't the
world know this? Why is it that Clements is bringing
this up? Now, I've actually brought this up on several interviews,
and I had the same question with the Council for
this congressional leader, Mike Well, do the campaigns know? And
he assured me that the camp Pains did. Now, I
don't know if I believe them. And at the time,

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Matt Gates was the perspective ag and so what I
was told was that this was part of an investigation
was going to be relayed over to Matt Gates. Well,
some weeks later, Matt Gates was out of the running,
and I wasn't released. To share this information, I wrote
an article hoping that this guy would change his mind.
But I share this with you that there's no democratic strategy.

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There's no Republican talking points that can negate what I
saw with my own eyes at the run deck facility.
All right, So that's something that I just want to underscore.
Number Two, auditing abilities to figure out whether or not
we're crazy and the claims that we're making aren't founded.

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We're seeing changes in the enemies messaging and strategies inating
good information from reaching the public. Number One, cast vote
records tell us whether or not there's manipulation. You can
get voting patterns, and we've seen that there's now a
phenomena where they're redacting parts of those cast vote records,

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making them their utility less and less important. And Number two,
there's been a criminalization of canvassing, going door to door
to verify and seeing if the official records that we
see out there are accurate or not. And the reason
why this is important we talk about early in mail
in voting. When we did canvassing operations in New Mexico,

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we found that there was a percent control, basically two percent,
no matter how many homes we visited on a given
weekend to do in CANbus the method of voting. If
someone was swearing up and down that they voted in person,
there was a percentage like five percent of who we

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canvas that the method would be changed digitally from in
person voting to mail in voting. Okay, So or we'd
have two percent of people that we surveyed at the
door saying that their votes were lost. They swore up
and down that they've voted, but there's no official record
on the database showing that a vote was cast.

Speaker 4 (01:29:18):
And so.

Speaker 17 (01:29:21):
This presents a lot of problems here because we're working
from narratives that we've got to respond to certain behaviors,
and I'm not even sure that we're responding to any
semblance of reality. And case in point, we've all been
told that Democrats prefer the method of early voting. We've

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all been told that, and so in New Mexico, part
of the audit team's work that we did is we
wanted to look at the data to see if that
was in fact true, and we started looking at thirty
years of data. This is a blue state. You know,
we're as commy as it gets and so you would
think that that narrative would be revealed to be true

(01:30:06):
in places like New Mexico. Well, we found out that
Democrats really didn't favor early voting more than Republicans. If anything,
it might have been a one percent advantage point, but
there were years in which Republicans utilized the method of
early voting more than Democrats. And yet we were all
told in the lead up to twenty twenty that this

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is something that the Democrats own. So you see the
problem here is that we're we were creating a strategy
to rebut this narrative that probably isn't even true, at
least the data doesn't suggest that it's absolutely true.

Speaker 7 (01:30:47):
And so.

Speaker 17 (01:30:51):
I bring that up because when I would go on
shows to talk about these industrial scale problems, I don't
think that what I was saying was being received in
a way that anyone wanted to hear, at least the
people that were hosting these shows. I used to appear

(01:31:11):
on Bannon's War Room quite a bit, and you'll notice
that I haven't been on that show in a while.
And because there is a cording of the conservative inc
types that are pushing the early voting, and one of
the things challenges that I had to deal with. Was
Bannon actually gave me the opportunity to talk about why

(01:31:32):
I thought it was dangerous to early vote, and I
started providing proofs on screen of signs of automation where
we would see spikes in the voter rolls that were automated,
meaning we would see the same percent control increase in
every single county happening on the same day. It was

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just adjusted for the population of the county, and it
didn't matter if it was a blue county or a
red county, it was the same percentage adjustment. We saw
similar automation in Hawaii and again in Florida, So you
have a microposm of blue states red states out there
in the islands, and these signs of automation would show

(01:32:14):
huge spikes. So when someone would tell me that they're
at a you know, at a gun show bragging about
registering you know, two or three people to join the
ranks of the Republican Party, and then we'd have an
analyst looking at the voter rolls and seeing that there's
deletions in access of fifty thousand dollars in Palm Beach County, Like,

(01:32:37):
why isn't there even a remote curiosity to figure out
if that's neutralizing or destroying the efforts, the legitimate efforts
of get out the vote warriors and like that was
so offensive to bring that out. And what I can
share with you is when I was providing this synopsis
with the receipts if you will, Steve Bannon showed me

(01:33:00):
during the commercial break a text from Charlie Kirk basically
telling Steve get him off the show, Get clements off
the show. And so when people wonder, like, are we
just not playing nice? Have we not asked Scott nicely
to have you know these sessions? I spent years trying
to work behind the scenes to give people this data

(01:33:24):
and they're just they're just not interested. And I still
owe a lot to Steve because I was able to
reach an audience day otherwise wouldn't. But there was a
concerted effort to make sure that I didn't provide talking
points that would ruin their prescriptions were they're fundraising for
early vote action. And one of the things that really

(01:33:49):
kind of astonished me is that a lot of these
early vote action outfits are tied to win red. And
what have we found with Act Blue? We found that
most people accept that there's widespread money laundering that's happening
through donor mules, through the Democrats, you know, apparatus known

(01:34:11):
as ActBlue. Well, if you follow the experts like Peter Banager,
draws a Smith, Chris Cleaesen on Win Red, they're seeing
the same phenomena. It's just to a lesser degree, maybe
fifteen percent of the total sum of that. And I
know that Ash and can Con actually talked with Peter

(01:34:34):
recently and they did a great job explaining this. But
when you've got apps that are directing people to donate
to something that we know is conducive to money laundering,
what the hell are we doing? Why are we yoking
with people that would be so reckless in their prescriptions?
And it really reminds me of kind of this football

(01:34:55):
mentality that it doesn't matter as long as our team
wins and our team doesn't have an identity if we
lose sight of doing things with an ethical framework. And
so it's like, David, shut up, you're gonna you're gonna
hurt our efforts. David, don't talk about that because we
can't raise as much money or they'll accuse us of demoralization.

(01:35:18):
And what I want to tell people is that there
is a demoralization of the voter that is very very
much informed. They know the system is absolutely rigged, and
I'm interested in trying to give them hope, but it's
not false hope based on you know, chase this or
chase that. So I know I'm covering a lot here,

(01:35:40):
but I just want to just probably end with this,
is that there's not one form of exploitation that's going
on in rigging elections. That people need to look at
this from an integrated standpoint, and and that means the

(01:36:01):
machines do play a role. And I my understanding is
a lot of people want to push back and say, well,
it's not machines, it's software. It's like, well, look, you
need you need hardware for the software you need to
you need to have a vessel for this stuff to
take place. And the best way that I can describe
the importance of the machines is that it provides metrics.

(01:36:25):
It provides people with the data that they need to
go out and subvert the system in a way that's
much more efficient. So when you're talking about early voting
mail in voting, every single state has a version of
an integrated software that tracks ballots out and ballots back in.

(01:36:47):
And if we're dealing with registered voters that are tied
to a party, it's reasonable to assume that those registered
voters will vote for people that are that are part
of their part. And so it's very easy to figure
out what the delta is with precision on where to
generate these ballots. And so with that environment, you've got

(01:37:13):
all kinds of plausible deniability because you'll have party members
and candidates that are getting data. They'll even get pullbook
data letting them know like, hey, if you really want
to push out the vote and get out the vote,
make your phone calls. But they don't realize that the
real use of that is to give people tremendous information
three weeks before election day to where you effectively have

(01:37:34):
the cheat deployed long before election day, long before election day.
So the way that I look at this is the
cheat really starts about six months before election day, and
that's where you generally see a bulking of the voter rules.
And it's important to keep in mind that there are

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times where the media will allow us to see reports
where they're purging the the voter rules as well. But
that's part of the narrative syop, which is they want
you to think that there is a clean up effort.
And what I'm telling you is, if you look at
this from a cyclical standpoint, around the same time every year,
you'll see a bulking right and I'm starting to see

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that usually about six months before an election. And now
you've got your credit line. And if you've got your
credit line, you're basically wanting to tie a ballot to
a no propensity or low propensity voter. So these are
people that could exist, but chances are they're not actually
going to show up and vote. But it doesn't matter.
As long as they're a real person and it's tied

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to a real voter ID, you can generate a real ballot.
And I loved what Shelby had to say because I
think she hit it right on the head. Is that
the system is so compromised that you can use stuff
that is quote unquote official. These are official ballots. They're
coming from a runback facility. There are bids that were

(01:39:01):
submitted to county clerks and election supervisors. These are people
that are supposed to be partners in the process, but
there is a way to inflate things artificially on a
scale where there's no accountability. So I my thoughts are

(01:39:22):
that early voting basically gives you that huge period of
time where if you do it right, as Mark said,
you want to spread out the data over time, circulate
what could be real ballots, but they're tied to no
propensity or low propensity voters. They're being voted for, and

(01:39:43):
when those ballots arrive in a drop box with no
chain of custody, you've got clerks that are collecting them
from the drop boxes. They're usually being sent to centralized
tabulation centers where there's very little eyes that can see
what's going on on. That's the other thing is that
mail in ballots are treated a little bit differently, typically

(01:40:05):
your sites where you don't have the same level of observation.
That's where a lot of the mail in ballots are
being counted, and you can smooth it out and it
looks like this is a natural phenomenon. They're touching paper,
they're not worried about seeing the f curve materialize on
election eight or seeing large batches showing up out of nowhere.

(01:40:25):
That's the exception, not the rule if they do it right.
And usually where we see the manifestation of fraud that's
really really self evident is in those states where the
registration between Republican and Democrat is so even that they
kind of don't have a choice. They have to react,
and that's where the pull books come in and many

(01:40:47):
other things. And so I think from a call to action,
what I would say is keep doing what you're doing,
to shout down the line, to shout down the repetitive
propaganda that coming from conservative ink. It's really important that
we bring people on board every day while it's actually
safer to do so, and don't separate the machine software,

(01:41:11):
hardware from the ballots themselves. Every solution that we advocate for,
we need to look at this from an integrative standpoint.
So those are my inside some of the stories that
I've dealt with. I know it can be disheartening, and
I'm so tired at this point that I'm delighted that
people like Brian. I know that you've been fighting for

(01:41:33):
so long, but your platform is starting to expand, and
you know, Leah Hoops, I see here as well. There's
so many people that have been doing this and a
lot of us have been marginalized, we've been throttled, we
don't have the reach that we wish. But together, I'm
just so encouraged that everyone here has confronted some of

(01:41:56):
the conservative ink players and told them you're wrong. And
so I see this right now as a mad dash
over the next calendar year to do everything we can
from an executive order standpoint, from local activism to keep
improving the landscape. And the good news is, unlike last year,

(01:42:17):
we've got a president who knows that the election was rigged,
knows it was stolen, and hopefully he'll stop messaging some
of the talking points from conservative inc. I think he
delicately kind of threaded the needle based on the narratives
that were dominating social media. So I wouldn't take Trump's
talking points on different methods of voting being okay as

(01:42:40):
what he really feels. I think basically, you're going to
have to do something, You're gonna have to make a
decision at his level three weeks out from election day
to make sure that people aren't demoralized, make sure that
it looks visible. So I think he was playing more
of the narrative game. I think we need you to
our job to take narrative out of the equation where
we're just basing all of our decisions on data that

(01:43:03):
you can audit. And so with that, if people are
interested on anything that I put out there, I don't
profess to be an expert in specific disciplines like many
of the people that you've heard from. I feel like
I'm a curator and a generalist that understands this from
an integrated standpoint, and my understanding was put out in

(01:43:25):
the documentary Let my people go, and I think for
those that find this discussion really really difficult, that would
be my recommendation. I feel like it's the coloring book,
you know, prayon version of trying to get people to
have higher elevated discourse on election integrity. So if you've

(01:43:46):
seen it and you like it, share it and that
would be wonderful. But thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:43:51):
Thank you, David, really appreciate it. Next up to speak
is Tony from Audit the Vote Pa.

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
Tony. Before you do speak, just a reminder please do
shout out.

Speaker 1 (01:43:59):
In the beginning, you know, any social media website to
give a little bit of background about yourself, and then
at the end please do continue to give calls to
action that we can you know, take action, and again
let's let's stick to early voting and mail in voting
as much as possible. Also, the our next speaker after
that is Chris Chris Arsenal. He was on before he

(01:44:23):
might have dropped, so if someone can message him, let
him know that he's going to be up next.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
And then after Chris, I think TC voice.

Speaker 1 (01:44:29):
Did drop, so with our next one will be Maryland
Election Integrity, which is the at E f f E
for USA. But I'll go ahead to Tony shoot from
Audit the vote PA, go ahead.

Speaker 18 (01:44:42):
Thank you, Brian. I just want to make sure you
guys give me be a thumbs up.

Speaker 8 (01:44:44):
You can hear me.

Speaker 18 (01:44:45):
I'm an orthodonists appointment with my oldest daughter and had
to kind of skewed out in the parking lot, so
hopefully the signal is good you guys can hear me,
and okay, good Brian's thumbs up. I will be quicker
because I think a lot of you have probably heard
a lot from me already and don't need to hear more.

Speaker 19 (01:45:02):
But for people that don't know, my name's Tony Shop.

Speaker 18 (01:45:05):
I am the head of a nonprofit organization called Audit
the Vote PA based in Pennsylvania. I have a background
as an engineer mechanical engineer only on paper by degree,
and I was a stay at home mom with three
young daughters. They're still young, but they're fourteen, ten, and
seven now, and the youngest was two when the pandemic happened,
which is what woke me up.

Speaker 19 (01:45:23):
I was not.

Speaker 18 (01:45:23):
Involved in politics prior to twenty twenty. I'm the poster
child for the problem with America in that I was
checked out of everything.

Speaker 19 (01:45:29):
I was just living my life and joining my freedom
and with no real clue what it cost.

Speaker 18 (01:45:34):
I got involved because I took a constitution class in
the fall of twenty twenty put together by Patriot Academy
and David Barton's Wall Builders. Rick Green with Patriot Academy,
the co founder of Out at the Vote, Karen Taylor.
We took that class together and there were three of
us initially that started the movement, along with help from
Leah Hoops who had been Leah and Greg were the
first national or a local people to put their face

(01:45:57):
on the national stage at the Gettysburg Hearing back around
Thanksgiving time right after the twenty twenty election, and so
they actually spoke at a few of our early rallies
and helped us get going, and we got one hundred
and twenty thousand signatures on a petition for a forensic
audit by the summer of twenty twenty one, and life
has really never been the same ever since. Never saw

(01:46:18):
myself getting into this battle for election integrity, but nevertheless,
here we are, and we've learned a ton Now is
there's still a ground game of us that are trying
to write the ship here in Pennsylvania. And I just
want to thank all the speakers that spoke before us.
Most of them that have talked, if not all of them,
have helped us in Pennsylvania. They have not charged us

(01:46:40):
a dime. They have come in and spent their own
time and effort and energy. I know we've had David
clements in. I'm trying to David, you were the last one,
so I can't think. But I just want if you're
listening to this and you're new, understand that we have
been fighting together this battle on the front line since
twenty twenty and we don't always agree with each other either.
So I'm getting a lot of hate now because I

(01:47:02):
stood with Brandon Strock and for a completely different reason,
because you know, Brandon has some major issues with Scott
and his character, and I have major issues with early
vote action and the practices that they're utilizing. And I'm
being told in Pennsylvania that I need to shut up
and that I need to just I'm going to cost
Republicans elections. We're never going to win again, and this

(01:47:24):
is infighting. You have to stop the infighting. And I
just for you guys that don't know. Every one of
us on a call that has spoken has been in
this for a while. We haven't always agreed with each other,
and some of us are more public about it than others.
But it's just the nature of man and human beings
working together and giving each other the grace that we're
kind of coming back together. And I'm so thankful that
Brandon put a spotlight on issues with Scott because it's

(01:47:46):
going to, I think, give us another national platform to
get this information out to the public, to stop Conservative
ink from pushing very dangerous policies. I will draw you
to one example that I think is important to share.
I don't want to talk too much numbers because everything
is documented on our website and all our social media's.

Speaker 19 (01:48:04):
If you don't.

Speaker 18 (01:48:04):
Follow us, look for at Audit the Vote or at
audit the Vote PA or Instagram. We're at Audit the
Vote official and follow our work, share our work, get
it out there as well as others in Pennsylvania. Seems
to be we have the luck of geography and that,
even though I didn't want thrust into this battle, looks
like we're going to be front and center for the
foreseeable future because we are the keystone state that was

(01:48:24):
the lynchpin in twenty twenty and twenty twenty four.

Speaker 19 (01:48:27):
How fabulous.

Speaker 18 (01:48:28):
And the danger in the narrative that early vote action
is portraying right now is that the early voting, the
mail in ballots, is why President Trump won Pennsylvania. And
we have put out a ton of data that completely
disproves that we can actually prove that that's not what
gave President Trump the win. And the next thing we

(01:48:49):
get criticized for is, well, you guys just want credit,
and you're just angry because Pressler's famous now and he's
got money, and that has a blutely nothing to do
with it. What has to do with it is that
in twenty twenty we had to stolen election. They stole
an election from us in twenty twenty and they got
away with it. I hope that resonates with people. They

(01:49:11):
got away with it, No one was held accountable, no
one was in jail. And if we don't continue this
work and get a handle on it, we're going to
lose from here on out.

Speaker 19 (01:49:21):
So that's the reason why.

Speaker 18 (01:49:22):
We're continuing have nothing to do with all the sus
that we're getting criticized about, is that we realize that
how urgent this is and the fact that if we
don't get this fixed, our four year reprieve of President Trump,
if it ends up being four years and we don't
lose the midterms, is going to all be for nought.
And so in Pennsylvania we can prove because of how
our ballots are structured and how they are counted. Our

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mail ends are counted separately from the in person votes.
The President Trump in twenty twenty four was awarded the
state with over one hundred thousand votes, and only twenty
thousand newly registered Republicans cast a mail ballot and therefore
voted early in the state of Pennsylvania. So early voting
is synonymous in Pennsylvania with mail in ballots, we don't

(01:50:05):
technically have early voting. I don't want to take up
a ton of time and explain that. Go to our
social media.

Speaker 19 (01:50:11):
I had the.

Speaker 18 (01:50:11):
Privilege of being on Emerald Robinson's show yesterday Absolute Truth
and got into some nitty gritty details that will help
you understand that. But please share that and get it
out because we don't have early voting. And I just
found out we as when I say we, the election
integrity experts on the ground that are working with audit
the vote. Maybe others as well found out that Pressler
is not just registering people to vote and encouraging them

(01:50:34):
to vote early, but their protocols actually training people to
apply for a mail ballot and to get on the
check the box that puts you on the permanent list
where you'll be prompted each year to renew and continue
to get a mail ballot, which is everyone that's talked
before me. It's going to be a disaster if this
is allowed to get any traction, which is why I

(01:50:55):
am speaking out and taking the heat and the hits
and all the trash that has come my way since
the dropping of Brandon stocks video. But twenty thousand newly
registered mail ballots Republicans voted in twenty twenty four, so
one hundred thousand vote victory. And that's not to demoralize
anybody that registered voters and that chased ballots, or to

(01:51:17):
make them feel like their work was not important or
that they didn't play a part in it.

Speaker 19 (01:51:23):
It's just we have to look at this as what's actually.

Speaker 18 (01:51:25):
Working so that we know how to move forward. And
it's just a fact of the matter is that the
numbers are showing and it's probably like this in other states.
I don't know what the data looks like in them
to prove them, but it's probably the same. And that
we did not win this election because we banked the
vote and voted early, and it's right there in the numbers.
And another stat out point two, is that of all

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the Republicans who voted by mail in twenty twenty four,
these are just people that return ballots, forty percent of
those actually voted in person in twenty twenty and so
all of that effort essentially converted almost half of the
in person total two mail ballots in twenty twenty four.
And so if you just run basic numbers, that is
proof right there. That early voting bank, the vote in

(01:52:09):
mail in ballots are not why President Trump on Pennsylvania.
And if we don't get a hold on this and
Scott is allowed to continue running, he's in our state
right now. And so, David, so thankful it's quiet for you,
It is not so quiet here in Pennsylvania. We have
a primary next week on May the twentieth, to judge
statewide judge races candidates. There's patriot candidates, there's establishment candidates.

(01:52:30):
Scott is traveling all over the state with his early
vote action operation and staying completely quiet about those statewide
judge races. I would argue that if he really wants
to make an impact, he would at least be speaking
out about that. But that's neither here nor there, and
I had no intention. This is not a Scott Presler
bashing space. This is a you need to understand what's
at stake and the danger of what his organization is

(01:52:52):
pushing space. And so the last thing I'll close with,
it's interesting, David that you mentioned Steve Bannon, because I
was also on Bannon a bit when we were pushing
for our audit efforts back in twenty twenty one, twenty
twenty two.

Speaker 19 (01:53:04):
I have a great relationship with Steve.

Speaker 18 (01:53:05):
I'm super thankful for the war Room platform that he
was able to give us.

Speaker 19 (01:53:10):
I have a cell phone.

Speaker 18 (01:53:11):
I can text him and tell him, Hey, can I
get some airtime for xyz? He almost always says yes,
But then it's chasing it down to actually get on
the show that ends up being the roadblock. But I
find it interesting to note that at Lancaster, the Senate
seat that we lost in Lancaster, which if you're following
this you're probably familiar, it was a seat held by
Republicans for a long time, a very big upset for

(01:53:34):
the Democrats, and there is proof in the numbers that
the Republicans who returned mail ballots did not vote Republican
and neither did the independence but the Democrat candidate actually
got more votes than Democrat ballots that were returned. And
so again that's just more proof that how are we
going to outchase this? And when I reached out to
Steve to say, hey, can I love to come on

(01:53:55):
war Room and talk about this again, it was another
chase down where I never got on there, heard back,
and then he has Cliff Maloney on there to talk
about it's the PA chase that didn't chase ballots on
the ground, which to their credit they didn't, and to
their credit there were Republicans who didn't return mail ballots
that they probably could have chased and maybe could have
pulled it out. But I just think that's really interesting

(01:54:16):
based on what David said that I've not been on
Steve Banners war room for a while and most recently
could have really provided a lot of insight into the
Lancaster race, but a different narrative was highlighted instead. So
thank you all for your relentless effort. Please continue to
share our stuff. Audit the Vote, Audit the Vote, PA,
Audit the Vote Official, follow us, Like, Share, Subscribe, I

(01:54:37):
do a weekly podcast. Now, help us get the word
out because we're up against an awful, big enemy that
does not want to see us succeed. But I'm a
Christian who believes with God all things are possible and
he wins in the end anyway.

Speaker 19 (01:54:48):
So with that I yield my time. Brian.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
Thank you, Tony. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:52):
And what I'm going to do next is I'm going
to go to Chris Arsenal, But then I'm going to
go to Rusty Cannon, who is speaking on behalf of
Holly Kessler who was scheduled earlier. So I do see
your hand up, Rusty Cannon. So I'm going to go
to Chris Arsenal first and then Rusty Cannon, who's speaking
for someone who's scheduled earlier. But I did want to

(01:55:12):
just make one note. If you want to see some
of the data that Tony was speaking about disproving the
false claims of early vote action, Scott Presser, please do
go to real Scottpresser dot com. R E A L
S C O T T P R E S L
e R dot com and there's a lot of data
that specifically disproves those false claims on the effectiveness of

(01:55:36):
early voting and mail and voting. All right, so with
that we will turn it over to Chris. Chris, please
do shout out your your website socials, a little bit
of background about yourself, and at the end any calls
to action go ahead.

Speaker 17 (01:55:48):
Chris.

Speaker 20 (01:55:49):
So, yeah, my name is Chris Arsenal. My background is
I've done a lot of technology. I've Dylan case twenty
twenty five of that in twenty twenty one to audit
at the elections and what a narrate currently working with
Cause of America. A lot of people I've worked with
here on this this uh, this X space awesome patriots.

(01:56:13):
They are definitely into it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
Uh.

Speaker 20 (01:56:16):
Some of the I want to sort of iterate what's
going on here with regards to why our elections matter
and and sort of this relates to what we're actually
seeing the dangers of early and mail in voting. If
we think of elections as being a game, they're not.
They are a transfer of power over life and death decisions.

(01:56:37):
And this this whole take that we have right now,
is we see them as being a game, then we
lose the fact that we're actually conducting a court, a
court session on ourselves. We're determining who's going to take
in control decision making that puts us into a life
or death situation. And we can see this with what's

(01:56:57):
been going on all over the United States, and that
kind of that kind of frames what I'm going to
discuss right now with regards to these risks when you
go into a precinct and you're voting in a precinct
on a day of election, single day of election, and
you see people you can take an object to a
person because you know that person with all of the

(01:57:20):
attributes that they have, their physical properties, their voice, and
everything else. When you turn around and say there's absentee
ballots that are available and they come in, you don't
know what that signature looks like. You can't see that
person actually signing things. So the whole absentee ballot and
the early mail in voting process that they put in

(01:57:41):
place that actually is designed to take and separate you
from any kind of evidence that you might be able
to follow up on, and it puts the government as
a middleman between you and your other legal peers. When
you bring up these issues and you talk about legal
peer and why why you have to have a right

(01:58:01):
to see things and challenge things, it's because you have
a very basic right of liberty being able to challenge stuff.
When you have early and mail in voting, when you're
conflating things, when you're bringing things together into one place,
they're expanding out that time and making it impossible for
you to track down the circumstantial evidence versus the direct

(01:58:24):
evidence of watching somebody cast their ballot in person. And
so these two different things right here, they've optimized. It's
a planned operation. Some of the things that I've posted
in the comments section and the threads, you can see
that we're actually under attack, that the systems that they've

(01:58:45):
put in place are extremely sophisticated. So some of my
background and some of the people that know me, I've
worked with some lottery operations, I've worked with communications companies,
I've worked with as a software developer, highly technical background,
in addition to some of the teaching stuff. Of one

(01:59:05):
of the areas that I that I worked on was
virtual reality. And this backs up what David Clements was saying,
you're seeing theater. As long as they can keep you
in a state of illusion and deflect where your tension is,
they can do things that you aren't aware of, sort
of like an illusionist. That's what's going on. The mapping

(01:59:26):
that I placed up there, Brian in the comments section
that shows you the Higher Ground Labs that right there
looks very much like a model that is used for
a sy operation. It is a fusion center model. It's
a military weapon system. It's an election weapon system, and
this is very deliberately designed to bring in and activate people.

(01:59:50):
People are really the currency of elections, So every time
you have ballots and stuff like that. That's not really it.
That's all the numbers that they throw, Oh, keeping people
involved as a game and and sort of sort of
off what's actually happening. There's far more involved in this
and to sort of underscore what's going on with some

(02:00:13):
of the things that we see in Cobb County and
other areas. There's a very strategic plan that they're unfolding
with the incremental changeover to mail ballot systems, and that
incremental changeover allows people to gain a control. I'm looking
for the motive. I'm looking for why the elections have

(02:00:33):
been done this way because they've been tracking for so
long and the incremental change is deliberate. You can see
them going this way. It's not merely convenience. It's about
it's about a very intentional way of doing things. So
their motive is going to drive the means and the
opportunity and that's what that's what we're kind of seeing
when when when this thing explodes, it's going down the

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avenue of to capture a particular thing, and it's at
the lowest level, it's at the grassroots level that they're
entering in they gain the credibility and then they work
their way up. This is where it goes. It's a
weapon system. And if you look at all of the
incremental steps that are being made in a progressive way,
sort of iterating what Mark and Jeff and everybody else

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has been talking about. They've been doing this deliberately over
a long period of time. But it all connects together
in the backside. That's critical that you keep going down
that avenue and you have to do the local thing.
You have to make sure that you understand why are
they doing this, and then when you talk with people,
they have to understand the very process, the deep process

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that's involved here. Many people are not educated. They think
they're playing a game. And I know I'm kind of
going on about this, but it's a civics education. If
you think you're playing a game and you end up
dealing with the kind of horrors and nightmares that they
dealt with over in the Middle East and other parts
of the world. World, it's not we've been insulated here.

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We're no longer when we no longer understand what it
means when when we look at the number of people
that died because so few people have is going to
sound sound terrible but it's very true in the civil law.
In the Civil War we lost one out of every six.
I'm coming from a state where state in actually New England,

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we had the worst per capita destruction of anybody, who
is one out of every two. So when you look
at numbers like that and you go, okay, there's the
reason why we have a militia, reason why we have
the founding the founding rights, all of the rights that
were listed were all established so that we defend ourselves
against tyranny and the tyranny that we're seeing. And what

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we see happening is everybody's expecting the government to be
the final say, but it's we the people that actually
are enabling it by not stepping up and by thinking
this is a game. So when when it comes down
to the action items is to get involved at the
grassroots level and understand exactly what they're doing and push

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many people. I feel like, you know, you guys, the
people that are here. Many of these people have been
fighting the good fight for a long time, and as
a professor pointed out, you get fatigued after a while.
But it's a matter now of it's sort of transitioned.
We know how the game works, we understand where they're going.
We need not now need to address them directly, and

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it's it's turned from the elections processes kind of analysis
and investigation to a far more let's let's now call
them out and hold them to truth and change things
because it's going we're up against the uniparty. They have
an interest where they don't really care. You've heard this
from others and that uniparty means that they are controlling

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the situation. So there's no interest there. How do you
take and change this? How do you flip this? At
every single point, they have to be confronted with truth,
and like Tony said, I'm all on board with her.
We know what the ending is. We just have to
work through this process. So ultimately, when we have these elections,
it's about all everything pointing and revealing truth and we

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have to step up and say no, I have my
liberties and my rights and you're not going to take
these away from me. I make the decisions. I'm the
judge of my own destiny. That's what it means.

Speaker 4 (02:04:29):
The Republic.

Speaker 20 (02:04:31):
We get this. You know exactly some of the points
of reiterating, but you can see if we're not doing
these things. If we're not actually stepping up and confronting
at every single step, we can't rely upon others. We
have to take and rely upon ourselves. And when we
do so, we're doing so not just for us, but
for all of our legacy, all of our kids, all

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of our grandchildren and the generation to follow. So we're
putting things in place, but it has to be the
continual thing. So with that, you can get in touch
with me on X. You might be able to find
me on telegram or now. He's twenty twenty. And I
also have also worked with Riel and fair Elections and education.

Speaker 7 (02:05:13):
Thanks.

Speaker 20 (02:05:14):
I'll end it there.

Speaker 1 (02:05:16):
Thank you so much, Chris, I really appreciate it. So
I'm going to go next to Rusty Cannon.

Speaker 2 (02:05:22):
Russy.

Speaker 1 (02:05:22):
I know you had some comments and then there was
another speaker that you mentioned you wanted to seed some
time to again, this is replacing a previously scheduled speaker,
Holly Kessler. Rusty Cannon, go ahead and unmute.

Speaker 21 (02:05:34):
Yes, now I'm not speaking for Holly. Holly works very
closely with Jeff Folgum here in Georgia.

Speaker 12 (02:05:43):
I've learned most of.

Speaker 21 (02:05:46):
The election integrity information that I know. From well phenom.
You know, I've faithfully listened to her spaces and I
was introduced to all of these speakers that you have here,
and she was really one of the only the largest
voices that we had that was trying to highlight the
problems that we have with our elections. And it's I

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wanted to say to that real quick. It's it's really
disgusting to me to see all of the influencers that.

Speaker 22 (02:06:17):
That we have.

Speaker 21 (02:06:19):
And I get so angry because, I mean, you so
on come out after you had that space about Scott Pressler.
You know, they're coming out with their claws out, and
I'm like, did they not understand what this means? I mean,
people are so angry right now at the representatives, you know,
our Republicans that we have in office, because they're not

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codifying anything that Trump is doing. I mean, hell, you've
even got a Democrat lawmaker that's trying to pass a
bill to codify Trump's medication executive order that he's done.
But we're not going to have anyone. And and I
go back to I really truthfully do believe that it

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was too big to rig for Trump. I don't think
there was anything they could do about that, and I
think they sole down ballot, I really do. And I
you know, what I wanted to say is the most
of the stuff that I learned very closely. I learned
it from the good fight down there. She's the one
that I said that I think you need to bring up.
I don't know if she can speak now, but I've

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learned so much from her personally.

Speaker 12 (02:07:27):
She helped me to go.

Speaker 21 (02:07:30):
With a petition to my county election board to show
them the numbers of ways that they're currently breaking the
law the way they're holding elections.

Speaker 8 (02:07:41):
And I was.

Speaker 12 (02:07:42):
Able to show it to them.

Speaker 21 (02:07:43):
They took it very seriously, but they kind of punted
it to the county lawyer, right the county lawyer. I mean,
I'm telling you, you could tell he was going directly
to the Secretary of State, and Secretary of State was
handing off to his laws and they were basically telling
him what to reply with. He had no idea. I mean,
with Laurie's help, I made him look like an ass,

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like he didn't even know what he was talking about,
and they don't and they just gas like nobody does anything.
Everybody's That's the point that we've gotten to everyone, even
our representatives, either they're in on it or they're too
afraid to do anything. And it's just it's very disappointing.
And it's quite honestly, like I said, it's disgusting because

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if we don't have friend and fair elections, you might
as well put a pin in us. We are done,
that's it. We might have a few great years left
with Trump, but that's it. It's over, it's all done with.
And to sit there and claim, well, Scott Presler, and
I'm not just picking on Scott, it was pretty freaking
disgusting to hear what David Clement said because I always

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like to think, Okay, Scott knows, but apparently he's getting paid.
But surely Charlie Kirk doesn't realize this, he doesn't understand. Well, yep,
apparently he does too. And that's even scary because you
got turning point in every freaking state. I mean, they
have representatives in every single state, and you know, I
just say we, you know, as MAGA or America First

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or whatever you want to call us, just you know,
free and fair elections, right, we were never going to
win if we play friends here, you know, well that's
my friend.

Speaker 8 (02:09:20):
So give them a break. I mean, like I don't.

Speaker 21 (02:09:24):
I don't think the majority of I mean we here do.
But this room should be like so much betterer than
what it is. We again, like I say, we're just
putting on on us. We're done if we don't get
this fixed. We have got to get this fixed. But
I hope Laurie can come up because, like I said,
she's the one that kind of walks me through and

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explain this. And it's also very enlightening to see what
the Georgia nerves have found with the way that they
move our voters around, you know, like if you have
somebody that dies or if somebody moves, you know, they're
duplicating those and they'll even move them in between states

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and stuff. It's very very disturbing, very disturbing. But that's
what I wanted to add. And I really appreciate you guys.
Love having these spaces. I learned something new every time
I come in, and all you guys in here are
seriously my hero.

Speaker 8 (02:10:19):
But thank you, thank.

Speaker 1 (02:10:20):
You so much. And I don't see the good fight on.
So please do you have a request of Mike Caroline,
my co host. I see you have your hand up,
go ahead, Caroline, did you have a question or something administrative?

Speaker 15 (02:10:31):
Yeah, I do see. These people have had a wayheads
start on us, and this is they're highly organized. These
are people who are actually against Star Republic, and so
it really doesn't matter who it's coming from. You have
got to understand that they are organized. And when when
I came out a year and a half against what
was going on, I couldn't believe it. That's when I

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really realized how organized they were to be determined to
steal our elections and steal our country city by city,
town by township, county by county. And so that that
was what I had to say, Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (02:11:08):
Thank you. And I see that Shelby as her hand
up too.

Speaker 1 (02:11:11):
I'll go to you in a second, Shelby, but I
do want to try to get Linda Rants from Cause
of America.

Speaker 2 (02:11:15):
We have you scheduled to come up and speak.

Speaker 1 (02:11:18):
Can you please request a mike Linda Rance, and then Caroline,
maybe you can help if I don't know if we
need to demote some speakers that just finished speaking to
get her up.

Speaker 2 (02:11:28):
She Shelby of your hand up, I think you're muted.

Speaker 10 (02:11:34):
Oh yes, I do.

Speaker 11 (02:11:36):
Sorry, Thank you No, I just I wanted to echo
what Caroline said and this whole battle that we're having
internally in that we really as an organ like as
Election Integrity, as an election integrity movement, we really need
to make sure that we are pointing out the fact

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that this is not a Democrat and a Republican issue.

Speaker 10 (02:12:00):
You know, I sat and I met with somebody and I.

Speaker 11 (02:12:03):
Talked about all the things that we've been battling, and
they were super excited and they're like, Oh, is that
a Democrat. I'm like, no, it's a Republican. Well, we
are having this issue. We have to sue this person.
Is that a Democrat? No, it's a Republican. So this
is not a Republican Democrat issue. This is an issue

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of people who love our country and people who hate us.

Speaker 3 (02:12:28):
Right.

Speaker 10 (02:12:28):
This is an issue of a.

Speaker 11 (02:12:30):
Spiritual battle, and it's an issue of the uniparty versus
the constitutionalists. So we have to always make sure we
keep that mindset clear because we're dealing with issues.

Speaker 15 (02:12:41):
You know.

Speaker 11 (02:12:41):
An example right now is there is a battle going
on between the Board of Supervisors and the County Recorder
in Maricopa County, and for the most part, the Board
of Supervisors have been absolutely are a key lease heel.
They have been the worst thing that could happen to
election integrity. But when they actually get it right, I

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find people on our side like still going against them
and actually standing on the side of the wrong because
they're so tribalistic, because it's about who they like and
who they get along with, or who they feel has
been historically right most of the time. And if we're
ever going to win this fight, we have to stand
on our principles principles first, and if that means sometimes

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agreeing with somebody who you can't stand or somebody.

Speaker 10 (02:13:29):
Who has been on the wrong side of the fight,
then we need to do it. And if it means going.

Speaker 11 (02:13:34):
Against somebody that has historically been your ally, we need
to do it. Because this is a very black and
white issue. This is about fixing our elections and there
is truly, for the most part, only one pathway forward
to doing that, and so we need to always make
sure we're standing on that path, regardless of who's delivering

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the message.

Speaker 2 (02:13:58):
Thank you, Shelby, great comments.

Speaker 1 (02:14:00):
We're going to go to our next speaker, which is
Linda or Linda please do start off shout out whatever
socials or website you want, give a little bit about
your background, and.

Speaker 2 (02:14:08):
At the end a call to action. Please you have
fifteen minutes go ahead.

Speaker 23 (02:14:11):
Okay, great, thanks for having me, Brian.

Speaker 24 (02:14:13):
I hope to take less than fifteen, but we'll see
how it goes.

Speaker 14 (02:14:18):
I am Linda Rants.

Speaker 24 (02:14:19):
I am in Missouri, but I am working nationwide on handcounting.
The website that is new, so most of the information
is up is return to handcounting dot com.

Speaker 5 (02:14:29):
So it's returned to handcounting dot com.

Speaker 24 (02:14:32):
And what I want to say, the experts on this
call are amazing, and I've learned what I know about
mail in ballance and early voting and such from these people,
so I don't want.

Speaker 14 (02:14:42):
To try to repeat what I've already been taught.

Speaker 25 (02:14:46):
I'm a solutions person, so there's.

Speaker 14 (02:14:49):
Probably a lot of people like me.

Speaker 24 (02:14:50):
Who I mean, I can't look at the data I
am in all people like Leoh Hoops and JFF O'Donnell
and the professor, all of them, all of you are here.

Speaker 14 (02:14:59):
I shouldn't name them because I'll lease them off.

Speaker 24 (02:15:01):
But that's not my skill set. But I have things
that I can do to help us save our elections.
And that's what I hope to share with you because
the mail in ballots. Look, when I lived in Washington State,
I hadn't voted in a polling place for a decade
and a half before.

Speaker 14 (02:15:16):
I moved to Missouri.

Speaker 24 (02:15:17):
I got here, my husband and I went to vote
in a polling place and literally I got.

Speaker 16 (02:15:21):
A little lightheaded.

Speaker 24 (02:15:22):
It was surreal because I hadn't seen the inside of
a polling place. It was one hundred percent mail in
ballots in Washington State for a very long time.

Speaker 14 (02:15:30):
But Mike Lindell was out boy.

Speaker 24 (02:15:34):
He started in twenty twenty one, as you recall saying,
you know, meltdown, the machines, tournament, the prison bars, and
we were involved with Canvassin at the time.

Speaker 14 (02:15:43):
That's how we met a lot of these patriots.

Speaker 24 (02:15:45):
Already Missouri has twenty one percent in Florid the voter role.
We did a report that actually I have on the
hand counting site. If you just searched Canvasine or Missouri,
it'll come up and it is called Missouri elections are
impossible to validate for exactly everything. We learned this in
twenty twenty two through our canvas scene that you take

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the names off the rolls, and I've heard that.

Speaker 14 (02:16:09):
I think it was a professor. We talked about it
or someone.

Speaker 24 (02:16:11):
They take the names off, they make you feel good,
but the names get back on. It's an ongoing thing.
You can't control what's on that voter roll, so when
ballots go out, the absentee or anything else. But as
Mike was out there leading the charge and we wrapped
up canvassing, and I.

Speaker 14 (02:16:27):
Remember thinking, Okay, but.

Speaker 24 (02:16:31):
What are we going to do if we get rid
of the machines because I hadn't seen handcounting even.

Speaker 14 (02:16:35):
When I did vote in the polls back in the day,
I was.

Speaker 24 (02:16:38):
Not paying attention. So I was working with CAUs of America.
I was the Cause of America Missouri group. But I
was asking at the national level what's out there? And
there really was nothing out there. And this was in
fall of twenty twenty two. But Louisiana was putting on
a demonstration. There's two great guys, Randy and John out
there there, former CEOs. These guys are brilliant and they

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were trying to put together a handcount method. So Florida
came up, Louisiana was there, and we went down there
to represent Missouri. They called it the Cajun clothesline. What
I was struck by is they came up with the
idea of a baseball pitch sheet, you know, counting the
pitches to count the votes as they went across on
this clothesline, literally a clothes line. And I came back

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to Missouri and I started reading the statutes, which is
the first call to action for.

Speaker 14 (02:17:27):
Anyone who wants to do it.

Speaker 24 (02:17:29):
Most of us don't even know what our election laws are,
and so there are people like, look, Lori Gallagher. She
went out then and read the Texas statutes and put
the information together for Texas. So you know, I read
the statutes and found out that going back to the
nineteen seventies, all of the statutes for hand counting ballots

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in Missouri were already there. A matter of fact, that's
how the elections are supposed to be run. In the
early two thousands, they said, oh, and you can use
machines if you want.

Speaker 14 (02:17:57):
I think they and they go way back.

Speaker 5 (02:17:59):
But you know, every now rewrite the entire code.

Speaker 14 (02:18:01):
So I think those statues go way way back.

Speaker 24 (02:18:04):
But my brain works in process or system or organization maybe,
And so I started taking information to create a process,
and I have to design the forms. Texas had forms,
we didn't, so I designed some forms for using that
baseball pitch sheet. It was a lot like bingo, where
the columns going down are for each candidate and there's

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a number instead of a name.

Speaker 14 (02:18:29):
And my thing is a sharpie marker.

Speaker 24 (02:18:30):
That's kind of my logo thing because it just takes
a sharpie and you know, you dab it like you
do in a bingo game.

Speaker 25 (02:18:36):
Super easy.

Speaker 14 (02:18:37):
Anyone can do it.

Speaker 24 (02:18:39):
And we put the process together and in December of
twenty twenty two, it was actually December twenty ninth, right
before the New year, we presented it in a webinar
to Mike Lindell. He didn't even know we were doing
it because he was fighting so hard. I mean, twenty
twenty one, twenty twenty two. That guy has been at
it NonStop. So he came out the webinar David Spiel

(02:19:01):
He goes, okay, you know, he tied it as his
speech and they said, well, Mike, we.

Speaker 5 (02:19:04):
Want to show you something.

Speaker 24 (02:19:05):
And we had a team and counting in the background
with a camera on them to show the process, to
actually show it being done, and he literally got emotional.
That webinar is also on the website. It's it's really amazing,
he said. It's been a hard year and this is
the greatest thing I've ever seen. So we started then
now getting into twenty twenty three and my husband and

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I working with whether it was called of American Groups
or other groups. We've traveled the country, but we were
out there with Chris Harsenal and in Pennsylvania with Karen
Taylor and some of the others.

Speaker 5 (02:19:39):
We've been Indiana, We've gotten involved in swing states.

Speaker 14 (02:19:42):
Georgia was big for us.

Speaker 24 (02:19:43):
We've been there three times, so we've been out there
teaching it our When I travel, I want to train trainers.
I want we go into a state to teach trainers
who can then teach.

Speaker 14 (02:19:55):
Others in their state.

Speaker 24 (02:19:57):
Since then, I've developed a one hour learn to handcount.
It's called express training. It can be taught in a
presentation or you can go.

Speaker 5 (02:20:05):
On and watch the video and teach yourself.

Speaker 24 (02:20:08):
And that's the big that's the other big call to
action for those of us who really can't do it.
Because here's what I think, and take it for what
it's worth. I believe that President Trump, if I had
to bet everything on one thing that he does.

Speaker 5 (02:20:25):
I think he intends to expose the fraud.

Speaker 24 (02:20:28):
We have the evidence, but he will finally expose the
fraud of that twenty twenty election.

Speaker 5 (02:20:33):
I don't think he's gonna let it go under like
water under the bridge. I believe he's going to that
something will come out.

Speaker 24 (02:20:40):
But whatever it is, and I do know he's talking
with Michaelendell, and every time Mike Lindell talks to him,
he talks about hand counting.

Speaker 14 (02:20:46):
As ways that we have to fix this election.

Speaker 24 (02:20:49):
Paper ballots, in person, one day voting, hand counted. We
did that here in Missouri in April of twenty twenty three,
an actual election, not you know, not just sort of
a random or a mock or an audit. After the
fat we had our hand counters in the polling places
and we're allowed to start counting one hour after the

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polls open, so our calendars were there during the day
while the voters were going through. And even with that,
everybody's like, well, they'll know, they'll know what you're counting.

Speaker 5 (02:21:19):
No, because the process is designed to work right, and
it did. We know it was a hundred percent.

Speaker 24 (02:21:24):
Accurate because after everything was sealed and returned to the.

Speaker 14 (02:21:28):
Secretary of State. I mean to return to the clerk.

Speaker 24 (02:21:32):
The Secretary of State and his staff came in, worked
with a clerk to reopen everything.

Speaker 22 (02:21:37):
They rehand counted the entire.

Speaker 24 (02:21:38):
Election and then they ran it through a dominion tabulator
and they could not find any mistakes because if they did,
it would have been huge news.

Speaker 5 (02:21:46):
So I believe that something will happen.

Speaker 24 (02:21:49):
Happen, and it's just my mission and my goal and
many others who are working with us. We have to
have a lot of people in this country trained and
not trained because the clerk could.

Speaker 14 (02:21:59):
They don't have to use my.

Speaker 5 (02:22:00):
System, or mark system or anybody's system.

Speaker 24 (02:22:03):
They can do whatever they want when it comes time
to handcount, but they're going to need people. And people
don't believe they can handcount to what Chris is. Thing
is they have an illusion.

Speaker 14 (02:22:12):
I have a whole.

Speaker 24 (02:22:13):
Page on the website called myths my thhs in case
I don't pronounce it properly. But it's all the objections,
takes too long, cost too much, not enough people. You know,
people will cheat everything, And I've got all everything that
we have proven, not that we're guessing that that we've proven.
So what we want to do is change the narrative.

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Go find whatever you need. We got one pageer's there.

Speaker 5 (02:22:35):
If you talk to an election official, it says it's
going to cost too much.

Speaker 24 (02:22:38):
We have an estimator tool if you have somebody else,
and then get hold of me if you need help,
because I can help provide the information. But get people
to train. We have a two minute tally demo. If
you learn how to handcount, you can take this little
tally demo call call off fifteen votes and have people
do it. Or one of our state senators, Ben Brown,

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was at our Lincoln Day dinner with his seven year
old son. His seven year old son did it by
himself and was one hundred percent accurate.

Speaker 5 (02:23:05):
A seven year old.

Speaker 24 (02:23:06):
That's how easy it is. I think that all these
other things are real that all our experts are talking about.

Speaker 5 (02:23:13):
But we're going to have to be ready because if
the President comes out and says, Okay, we're not going
to use machines, we're going to handcount.

Speaker 24 (02:23:19):
We not only have to have people trained, we have
to have people believing that they can handcount.

Speaker 5 (02:23:23):
So return to handcounting dot com.

Speaker 14 (02:23:26):
I'm on x at c of A.

Speaker 24 (02:23:29):
So that's for Cause of America Missouri, so you can
find me there. And I think I'm on some other
platforms too, and I tend to hunker down here on
X so please send questions and comments, but.

Speaker 5 (02:23:43):
Go to the website.

Speaker 19 (02:23:44):
All the videos are there.

Speaker 5 (02:23:45):
Everything's free. We don't ask for a donation.

Speaker 24 (02:23:47):
We don't ask for anything, but if you ever do
want a donor, mate, Mike Lindell is up against a
ton of fights and he can use your help.

Speaker 5 (02:23:54):
But other than that, I'm so grateful and Brian, thank
you for letting me on here to talk about this.

Speaker 2 (02:24:00):
Thank you, Bend that we appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (02:24:02):
Next, I'm going to go Ash and then I'm going
to go Gail Golick and then Leah Hoops. But just
a reminder to the rest of our speakers, please do
stick to dangers of early and mail and voting. Please
do give an introduction with your socials, your website and
a bit of your background, and then end with a
call to action if you can, please so ask go ahead.

Speaker 2 (02:24:21):
And then then I'll go Gaiale Golick and Leah Hoops.

Speaker 22 (02:24:24):
Thank you, yeah, thanks so much, Brian.

Speaker 26 (02:24:26):
Great space, And I just had three quick points to
add about the dangers of early and mail and voting
in our systems. But I want to say just before
I get to that the speakers on this space, if
I'm not mistaken, there might be some exceptions, but I'm
pretty sure that everybody that's on this space is not
just fighting for election integrity on social media or trying

(02:24:47):
to win elections.

Speaker 22 (02:24:47):
They're actually fighting in court.

Speaker 26 (02:24:50):
The assertions that are being made are proven in court,
and there's a real personal cost to staying in this
fight the way that these folks have honored to know
you guys, and I think that people need to realize
that we're not just making statements, we actually have the
evidence to back them up. The three points that I
wanted to make. One unsignature verification. They don't do signature verification.

(02:25:15):
It's been repeatedly proven in court across several states that
they don't do signature verification. A good example of this
is Brian blem who was in here earlier, and Shelby
I think was involved in it as well. In the
case of carry Lake's trial, it was proven that they
don't do signature verification. The central narrative on this issue
is shifting such that they're arguing that signature verification doesn't

(02:25:38):
really matter. Notably, last year, the League of Women Voters
argued in the Kansas Supreme Court that signature verification is
an unnecessary poll tax because people have already proven that
they are eligible to vote when they registered, so we
don't actually need signature verification. Without signature verification, there is
no control on mail in ballots, no validation that that

(02:26:01):
ballot coming in through the mail is legitimate, and when
you combine that with inflated voter.

Speaker 22 (02:26:06):
Rolls, you have a recipe for a disaster.

Speaker 26 (02:26:09):
There's going to start trying to convince us that signature
verification is unnecessary.

Speaker 22 (02:26:14):
But it's important for the audience to know that.

Speaker 26 (02:26:16):
Signature verification is the single control on mail in ballot.
So the call to action on that point is for
people to understand what's happening in their local legislature with
the laws, because they are trying, especially in blue states,
to shift the laws so that you don't need to
have signature verification on mail in ballots. The second point

(02:26:36):
I wanted to make is about the vendor landscapes. This
is another shout out to Shelby Bush and Brian blem
In Arizona and what they proved in court.

Speaker 22 (02:26:46):
So here in Colorado, I'm.

Speaker 26 (02:26:47):
In Colorado the election fraud test kitchen, and Runback here gets.

Speaker 22 (02:26:53):
Non competitive contracts.

Speaker 26 (02:26:55):
They waive the competitive requirements in law for the contracts
because Runback is so important to the election system. Nobody
else can do what Runback does, so we don't have
to have a competitive contracting process. In Arizona, when they
took they were trying to get the video of what
Runback was doing and arguing that Runback should be subject

(02:27:18):
to open records because they're acting as an arm acting
as part of the government the Merrikopa County. I believe
it was argued that Runback is no different than the
UPS store or Staples, and the court agreed with them.
And the net effect of that is that Runback operates
in darkness while they're printing ballots, counting ballots, moving ballots.

(02:27:39):
There's no oversight. So it's important for people to understand
the vendor landscape. Follow the money on that one. You'll
find illuminating information, not just with Runback, but with every vendor.
Pay attention to the contracts and fight those contracts at
the county level where they're being approved.

Speaker 22 (02:27:57):
And fight them in court if you have to.

Speaker 26 (02:28:00):
So the third point that I wanted to make Shelby
talked earlier about log files and making sure that we
can get the log files, and I just want to
make people aware of something. I think Mark you could
probably talk a little bit about this, but log files
are super important, but they're not comprehensive for all of
the vendors.

Speaker 22 (02:28:18):
So what we found in Albert County, Colorado, and we
had Dallas on Why we Vote.

Speaker 26 (02:28:22):
I do an election denialism show on Friday nights seven
thirty PMS on bad Lands Media with CanCon and we
had Dallas Schroeder on from Albert County, And during a
logic inaccuracy testing, the dominion vendor showed them how to
pause the election event and check the results. They pause
the election event, they checked the results. They were able
to see the results of the election, the tallies for

(02:28:44):
the candidates and the ballot measures, and then they resumed
the election event. The log file captured the pause, it
did not capture that they checked the results during the pause,
And that is a massive exploitable loophole when combined with
early voting. You can check the record and see exactly
what you need. That's that's a real thing. It's proven.

(02:29:07):
I have a link to that show if people want
to watch it, with your permission, Brian, I'll put it
in the nest. But the macro call to action that
I would give to people is to get involved. Everybody
up here has been in this fight for years at
this point, and we could use reinforcements. There is a
thousand ways to get involved in the fight for election integrity.
As Sean Smith said earlier, fake voters, fake ballots, fake counts,

(02:29:28):
there's you know, the election fraud machine is systemic. It's
a system of fraud and we have to fight it
on multiple fronts.

Speaker 22 (02:29:36):
We need your help.

Speaker 1 (02:29:37):
Thank you so much, Thank you so much. Next we're
going to Gail Gold. Gail, thank you for being so patient.
Go ahead and unnet yourself. Do we still have you?

Speaker 7 (02:29:48):
Gail?

Speaker 12 (02:29:54):
Gil here, she's up here. I see her up here.

Speaker 15 (02:29:57):
Give her a minute. Maybe it's going to take her
second to grab the mic. Gail, are you able to unmute?

Speaker 25 (02:30:04):
There we go.

Speaker 4 (02:30:05):
I'm pretty sorry.

Speaker 25 (02:30:05):
I am stressed away. Thank you very much. What a great,
great space this has been with you know, just fellow
patriots that yeah, I've been in. My name is Gale Glica,
and I've been in this fight since twenty twenty as well.
Just I reached out to Mike Lindell basically the week

(02:30:31):
that he spoke to President Trump and had a meeting
with him in January of twenty twenty one, and have
really not stopped in this fight to expose the truth
and seek justice and ultimately protect our elections. I know

(02:30:52):
a lot of people call it election and integrity. I
call it election protection because we really, all of us
here want to protect our elections. We want our votes
to count as cast. And the title of this is
Dangers of early and mail and voting panelists and all

(02:31:14):
of us unanimously are on here because we know that
early voting equals early cheating. And a little bit more
about my history. I became a citizen journalist very early on,
not necessarily. I was a precinct committeeman, but I wasn't

(02:31:35):
really involved with the elections at all. I do have
an IT background and I used to set up local
area networks, owned and operate at my own IT business,
and I just knew something was up, but I really
didn't know anything about the election systems. The election processes,
never heard of runback, never heard of any of this stuff,
and just kept diving in and through my data, my

(02:32:00):
investigative journalism. I've had the opportunity to interview some of
the you know, a majority of these speakers that have
spoken today been able to evaluate the data and.

Speaker 22 (02:32:15):
Share that data.

Speaker 25 (02:32:16):
And one of the ways I shared that data is
when where copa County board of supervisors. One of the
board of supervisors did resign early and I ran for office.
And one of the reports that came out talked about
in the Arizona Audit, we had over thirty five thousand

(02:32:41):
ballots that were identified as counterfeit ballots that were inserted
into the box.

Speaker 19 (02:32:55):
Springing.

Speaker 25 (02:32:56):
This report was given out by UH Forensic Data List Eric.

Speaker 14 (02:33:04):
Uh.

Speaker 25 (02:33:05):
He presented that report to the Arizona Senate prior UH to.

Speaker 2 (02:33:17):
Your audio might be breaking up? Is that just me?

Speaker 24 (02:33:21):
No?

Speaker 25 (02:33:21):
I'm sorry, No, I'm sorry. It's my phone keeps ringing.
My son just texted me and saying call me a
SAP and he's called me three times, so let me
let me just text him and just let him know
hold on, Well, be right with you, okay.

Speaker 19 (02:33:41):
Sorry.

Speaker 25 (02:33:42):
Anyway, Eric Spikin did this report and you can see
it on my rumble channel as well, that showed these
thirty five thousand counterfeit ballots were inserted. And Corey Langhoffer
was the attorney there who evidently decided to withhold that
information from all of us. And had that Senate report
showed these thirty five thousand ballots that were inserted into

(02:34:05):
the election, we might have had a different UH scenario
moving forward all the way. But our Arizona legislature continues to,
you know, not do the right thing here in Arizona,
not past the right laws, not enforce the laws, keep
people in place that are that should not be in place.

(02:34:29):
So one of the one of the reports, Jeff O'Donnell
opened up this space and one of the reports he
talked about fingerprints of fraud and you can go to
Fingerprints of fraudmovie dot com and I did put it
in the in the nuts there you can take a
look at it. But one of the reports that I
have also had on my on my my UH rumble

(02:34:51):
channel which is at gaale golic is it talked about
the fact that we also had one hundred and fifty
these thousand ballots that were deleted and purged in the
twenty twenty ballot images, I should say in the twenty
twenty election. Now mind you, this was done four days

(02:35:14):
after the election, So these ballot images are are you know,
can be can be replaced and without cast vote records,
without access to these database records, we don't know anything
about it. And unfortunately, the same person, his name is

(02:35:35):
Brian Ramirez, is the database administrator who we have on
video deleting database files Andy Biggs, Representative Andy Bigs who's
now running for governor here in Arizona. He called it
basically out in Congress where the board of Supervisors admitted

(02:35:56):
that they deleted these thirty five thousand files database files.
And he's still our database administrator. So we have here
in America BA County. We have so many various different
ways that they are cheating, but mostly you need a
person to do it right. And when you have people

(02:36:18):
that are breaking laws and there's no laws being enforced,
or you have cover ups by the legislature that know
that these things are happening and are just not being
presented or talked about. And in fact, I mentioned it
to our Senate President Warren Peterson about a month ago.

(02:36:39):
I hadnt in person meeting with him and I asked
him about it. He acted like he didn't know anything
about it. And he's running for district attorney here in Arizona,
and I just wonder when are we going to get
justice here. The other thing that I wanted to talk
to you about is that one of the things that
I did was after the Arizona audit that goes right

(02:37:01):
back to mail in ballots and why they can be
completely you know, changed up and interchanged, and we don't
have any records of it. Is we did. I did
a Truth Tellers town hall and if you go to
my Twitter page you'll see it pinned at the top.
And what that was was a contemporary contemporaneous uh in

(02:37:23):
documentary of people who actually worked the audit and they
saw the Arizona audit. They saw firsthand these ballots, batches
and batches and batches of Biden only ballots boxes of
them of Biden.

Speaker 24 (02:37:39):
Only.

Speaker 25 (02:37:40):
They they saw the the ballots that were UH done
with a template, like you could see like a template
was put over it and then a market was on it,
and you could see that the that the the ink
would move through uh You. They were saying that nothing
was connected to the internet. I had a guy said, no,
I connected to the Internet. Well, what they really actually

(02:38:03):
do is they connect the the the UH access to
the voter roles, the voter data base roles, so that
when you show up at these voter centers, they have
to see if you voted or not. Right, So this
is connected to the database. And what I like to

(02:38:26):
say is if you don't vote, they vote for you.
And what I mean by that is we are sending
these mail in ballots in early so database administrators like
Brian Ramiris can take a look and see who has
voted and who has not voted. And what we have

(02:38:47):
we have found that a lot of times is that
they'll take I'll take these these databases and they'll grab
all the Smiths, all the Joneses, all the Patel's, you know,
common names, and they'll vote on their behalf and they
just throw them in there and they vote. So this
data that we are providing early is absolutely dudley, as

(02:39:14):
Jeff o'donnald said, to our system, because we are giving
the enemies within our country that are not being held
accountable through our justice system everything that they need to
switch the votes on top of it, Jeff has also
talked about the algorithms that he saw on the Mason

(02:39:34):
Report and things of that, where they can they can
they can actually switch votes based upon the algorithm to
have a predetermined outcome. And Jeff has proven that through
multiple cas vote records, which Maricopa County is now not
providing and many other people are not providing in states

(02:39:58):
across this country are no longer providing because our patriot
war hero Mike Lindell and I say war meaning you
know this is a war against the traders in America,
you know, called out at a at a conference of
patriots that we should all go back and grab those

(02:40:20):
cast vote records.

Speaker 2 (02:40:22):
And Jail, I think your audio broke up with the bonus.

Speaker 25 (02:40:30):
Yeah, I'm sorry. That's because my son was calling again. No, okay,
hold on second, I'll be telling me. Yeah, hold on,
I'm I'm in a interview, n an interview. Okay, So
I'm sorry for the disruption. So anyway, the the voter,

(02:40:53):
the voter roles, I want to uh speak a little
bit about the voter roles as well, the vote voter rolls.
I would agree that one hundred percent we need to
clean those voter rolls up one hundred percent. Start from scratch,
like Sean and many others have said, we have to

(02:41:14):
start with strats with government approved IDs. And when we
do that, we are going to be in a better
situation too, because we have twenty four STAKES and Washington
d C utilizing the ERIC database also known as the
Electronic Registration Information Center, and what they are doing is

(02:41:35):
they share databases. We have James O'Keeffe from O'Keefe Media
Group had a undercover recorder reporter, excuse me, record, ray Vellezuela,
who is also the elections director still in Maricopa County
who overseats the mail in ballots, talk about what he

(02:41:59):
could do to move So he says, now, quote, oh,
I'll tell you what I would do. Everybody's got the
ERIC system except some states. So what I would do
is I would move from an ERIC state to a
non ERIC state. It would never find me, you'd never
match up, and you never be eliminated for your two votes. Otherwise,
when you have your name in one state that's not

(02:42:20):
an ERIC state and your name in an ERIC state,
well it just so happens that you can vote twice.
There are so many different ways to do this. We
need to be decentralized, get this out of a This
ERIC system should be abolished. Many there are several states,
not enough that have removed themselves from this ERIC database,
but we do need to do that. The other thing

(02:42:46):
that Linda rants, I know Linda and the work that
she has been doing, and Mark and I know a
lot of everybody basically that's on here. But this handcount
is so important. Thank you Mark Cook for going out
there and promoting this and doing the road show as well.
But we need to get people to do the handcounts.

Speaker 27 (02:43:06):
And I just was doing some research and did you
know that the average precinct size across America is between
nine hundred and one thousand voters.

Speaker 24 (02:43:21):
That's it.

Speaker 25 (02:43:22):
So there is no reason why we cannot vote on
election day. Even if we had one hundred percent of
our registered voters show up and vote by precinct that
we couldn't get that done. And the highest is in DC.
But the you know, I do have a graph and
I will put this down here, but even if we

(02:43:44):
were at two thousand or three thousand, we would be
able and one hundred percent of them showed up on
election day and voted, we would be able to count them,
so there is no excuse for us to not go
back to handcounts. And then I will kind of wrap
this up with a way that legally. Many people are

(02:44:08):
not familiar with this, but and and some call it unconstitutional,
but the Help America Vote Act was created in two
thousand and two, and you know, this was the way
that they brought these machines into the mix, and they
got rid of the punch cards, and they they said, Okay,

(02:44:29):
we're gonna we're gonna bring these these machines in here,
but you have to follow these rules. Now this these
these rules under this act are minimum requirements. They specifically
and the states do not have to adhere to it.
But each and every state does take money in order

(02:44:52):
to enforce the Help America Vote Act. But I want
to share with you that in section three oh one
of the Health America Vote America Vote Act, it does
say that nothing prohibits a state from using the same
type of system as long as that system meets or
is modified to meet the requirements. So basically, this protects

(02:45:13):
our right to go back to paper ballot voting and
get rid of these machines. So I there are many
things that are in the Help America Vote Act that
are being violated. And one of the things, as it
relates to mail in voting, is that if there is

(02:45:35):
a first time mail in voter that has registered to
vote by mail, many people are not aware that they
those mail in ballots are supposed to be accompanied by
proof of ID. And each and every one of us

(02:45:55):
has a right to file a Help America Vote Act
complaint that will allow us to report a violation of
the Help America Vote Act if a violation has occurred,
is occurring, or may occur again. And so every Secretary

(02:46:19):
of State has a form on their website and that
to file an administrative complaint, and this administrative complaint must
be heard by public hearing if the complainant requests it. Now, unfortunately,

(02:46:41):
I have not been able to find an attorney in
Arizona that has been willing to do anything, you know,
with the Help America Vote Act complaints that we have done.
I have done several myself. We had precinct committement, over
one hundred precinct committeement file Help America Vote complaints and
now one of them have had their their public hearing,

(02:47:04):
and I don't. I haven't been able to find an
attorney who would be willing to take this on. And
since it has such implication implications, I guess I'm not
as brave as Leah and Greg Lea hoops Greg, and
to go as forward with it as possible. I did
file three cases, however, previously, that were dismissed to challenge

(02:47:26):
the elections. Basically, my election I challenged, but I challenged
it too late. Another one was based upon the security measures,
the fact that these that these elections are are considered
critical infrastructure, and this critical infrastructure is supposed to have
certain security checks and balances, and none of those are

(02:47:51):
being done, and so and then of course the violation
of multiple Help America Vote Act violations as well. And
in Arizona, we actually have a law in place that
states that you must comply with the Help America Vote
Act in order to use the machines in Arizona. And

(02:48:15):
it's a very straight and factual one, however, because you know,
and my point is that because the e EAC was
established under HABA and is responsible for developing the voting
system standards in accordance with it, compliance with HABIT is

(02:48:37):
a prerequisite for EAC certification, and any system that fails
to comply with HABA cannot be lawfully certified by the
EAC and thus cannot be legally used in Arizona under
our Statute ARS sixteen four forty two B. So we
have and we also and you want to check your
constitution as well. This is also a relation of the

(02:49:01):
constitution in Arizona. All elections shall be free and equal.
It doesn't say anything about being fair, it says equal,
and there is a huge difference by the way a
ballot is treated and the chain of custody be between
a mail in and an in person voters. As far

(02:49:25):
as equality, it may seem fair in application, but it's
not equal and equal treatment is not optional under our
state constitution. So there are It would be nice if
laws were actually enforced that we have on the books,

(02:49:46):
get rid of Eric file a complaint, continue to go
and remind people like Charlie Kirk and Tyler Boyer and
Scott Pressler that this action and of bringing in low
propensity voters is not doing anything but corrupting an already

(02:50:07):
corrupted voter role. Yes, we want voters on there, but
if they're low for Pooncity if you don't vote, they're
going to vote for us. And make sure if you
can get those cast vote records, get your cast vote record,
and make sure you reach out to Jeff o'donnald and
get those over to him, because the more data we have,
the better. And again, thank you all for your time

(02:50:29):
and your efforts. And God bless you all. God bless America,
and keep praying because this is spiritual warfare, but God wins,
and so I'm going to keep keep the hope alive.

Speaker 2 (02:50:39):
Thank you all, Thank you, Thank you appreciated it.

Speaker 1 (02:50:44):
Leah, We're going to go to you next, and then
I'm going to go to Brian Blam Shelby. You may
have to poke Brian if he's the request of Mike.
And then also Jeff. The loan record, which was our
first speaker, has been the locatient is still on, so
Jeff will probably go back to you that, but Leah,
go ahead if you're ready.

Speaker 23 (02:51:04):
Thank you so much for having me. It's I always
love these kinds of spaces. So for those that do
not know me, I was a witness in the twenty
twenty election, and as Tony had stated earlier, I was
at the Gettysburg Hearing. I'm also a whistleblur with a
formal disclosure that has been provided to the House Judiciary

(02:51:24):
Committee Office of Inspector General FBI. I mean, you name it.
Everyone has our information. We you know, uncovered fraud in
Delaware County and then wrote a book about it in
order to get the evidence out which was being suppressed
in the courts. I've been talking about and speaking loudly

(02:51:44):
about how badmail and ballots are and still are since
twenty twenty. It's very well explained in our book, The
Parallel Election. You should get yourselves a copy. I've been
drugged through the mud, so I say welcome to all
the people who relate to the game who are now
experiencing the absolute fire and defamation and the everything else

(02:52:07):
that I've gone through over the past five years. This
is where we need to be. Quite honestly, we need
to be. People talk about being a Christian but yet
fear any kind of backlash, and it actually makes me
want to laugh. I'm extremely unconventional. I'm not one of
those Christians. If you get in my face, I'm going
to knock you out. And I've actually been approached by

(02:52:30):
one of Scott Presler's early vote action one of his
top people at the Rod of Iron Freedom Festival and
I told her to back up before I knocked her
teeth out. So that's where I am in this whole game,
and that I feel that that's where we need to
be and have that mentality.

Speaker 20 (02:52:46):
So I'm just going to.

Speaker 23 (02:52:46):
Speak right off the bat a few things I do
want to talk about and hopefully I'm not repeating. And
first and foremost, thank you to all the you know
people that have you know, mentioned my name, and I
appreciate all of your your work, every last one of you.
I think you were amazing people. I think you should
pat yourselves on the back a lot more because you

(02:53:07):
are well informed republic, which is where we need to be.
I also believe that, you know, we should be battling
the propaganda as best as possible. I'm not the kind
of person that talks about like statistics and data and
all of that. I think that's where we lose a
lot of people. And most people really have the IQ

(02:53:30):
of a toaster, and and quite honestly, even expanding that
ability for people to vote who don't even you know,
who can't even spell, actually cracks me up. I'm voting
was never meant to be convenient. It's it's it's a right,
and it's been fought for with bloodshed, and that's how
we need to be speaking. And I don't hear that much.

(02:53:51):
And I feel like, you know, I sometimes we have
to have a lot of tough love and demand that
people act like adults and patriots, and we're not quite there.
And and I do feel like a lot of the
times we lose an audience because we get so technical
and talk about the laws. I mean, if you don't
know by now, like everyone knows that the twenty twenty

(02:54:13):
election was stolen, I mean I don't. I don't know
how else to say that. We're now at a battle,
and it's not infighting because I've never claimed Scott Presler
or Charlie Kirk or anyone to actually be on my side. Anyway,
if you're promoting mail in ballots and early voting to
your communists, and if you're not a communist, then you're
enabling communism. And that's exactly how it needs to be

(02:54:35):
approached Colorado, Washington, and now Pennsylvania. It's going to be
captured by communism, and that's what we're talking about. Centralized
counting is what we are talking about with you know,
no matter what machines, dominion ESNs, hard, inner civic, you
know you have all these machineries run back Blue Crest.

(02:54:57):
I could go on for days. I could rattle off
of a whole bunch of information that I that I've investigated,
but nobody cares. People want to be spoken to and
they want fire. That's what they need right now. You
need to tell them how to fight the Scott prestlers
and how to fight the propaganda because it's being poured
down their throat and they're telling to shut their mouths

(02:55:18):
because you can't have infighting, and God forbid you go
against the Green. Well, let me tell you something, folks.
I've been going against the Green for five years, and
I welcome it. I love the fact that I'm hated.
I love the defamation. I embrace it. And that's where
you need to be. I could care less. I don't
do consensus. I don't do unifying. I don't want to

(02:55:40):
unify about mail in ballots. Do you know why? Because
it's a fraudulent system, period, point blank period. That's it.
We've already proven it in court and This is where
we need to be. I just left the court hearing
today and I'm not getting off subject, Brian, So please
let me just talk about this because of the fighting
that we've been doing for five years in the court system,

(02:56:02):
because of coming forward as whistleblowers. Okay, I am now
right now still fighting a case from twenty twenty three
in which the my county is suing me for malicious
prosecution and asking for a million dollars okay, in relief
for attorney's fees. All right, I make these people cry
in court. They lost every argument today in this hearing, okay.

(02:56:25):
So we need to be in those courts lighting these
people up and every chance that we possibly can. A
few things I want to talk about with early voting
and mail in ballots, Okay, something I don't really ever
hear about in these spaces. So I'm going to talk
about these things. There is no equity. There's a court
of equity, okay. And when you bring these things into

(02:56:48):
a court and you talk about the equity between the
imperson vote and the mail in ballot vote, all right,
when you walk into a polling place, you were checked, right,
someone sees your face, they can check your signature, they
can check your address, you actually have a body. And
then even you have the ability to handcount. In some states, right,

(02:57:09):
you can even challenge a voter when they walk in. Okay,
you can say, I know that this person is not
the right precinct, or I know this person is not
registered or blah blah blah blah blah, right, and I
can disqualify them from voting in person. Where does that
happen at all? Okay, in the mail in ballot centralized

(02:57:30):
counting centers, it doesn't. Not only can you not pre canvas,
you cannot canvas any of the mail in ballots. You
can't see any of the mail in ballots. You can't
challenge any of the mail in ballots. You can't count
the mail in ballots. So where is the equity between
the in person vote and the mail in ballot vote?
That needs to be brought into the Supreme Court of

(02:57:52):
the United States, because I'm telling you right now there
is no equity between the two methods of voting. Second,
I want to talk about signatures. We have to stop
using the word signatures. It is not a signature, it
is a declaration. And that is the difference. You are
declaring that you are a qualified elector, and no one
talks about this. You are declaring, under penalty of perjury, okay,

(02:58:16):
that you are a qualified elector. If you are found
not to be a qualified elector, guess what, folks, that's
a felony. And we need to be going after the
fact that these declarations that have a name on it
need to be challenged. They need to be challenged in court.
We need to go after the declaration, and we need
to be using the words felony okay, under penalty of perjury. Okay. Third,

(02:58:43):
right now, what we are what is happening? Okay? And
this nonsense of infighting, and every time someone tells me
about infighting, I light them up too. Please don't talk
to me, and I need to unify. No, I don't. No,
I do not, and neither do you. If I think
that you are harming my republic, you are now my enemy.
You are a trader to your country. And if you've

(02:59:05):
been told or you don't care, okay about the fraud
that happens within the mail invalid system, you are exploiting
it for money and you're a trader.

Speaker 10 (02:59:17):
Period.

Speaker 23 (02:59:18):
Let's talk about what the endgame is it's consolidation of precincts.
Every time you tells a person that we need to
embrace the mail in ballid system, which is what they
are doing right now. The theyse the early vote actions,
Jack Posovic, Sebastian Gorka, They're all in the same bucket.
To me, they're traders to their country. They are allowing

(02:59:41):
for state capture, okay, right now of Pennsylvania. Because what's
happening on the ground level, in which nobody really talks
about on the local levels, okay, is they're consolidating in
person precincts, which means they're making them smaller and ding ding.
Guess what the overall objective is is to get rid

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of it, which is what happened in Oh, Colorado. And
once they take your rights, folks, are they gonna give
them back? Noop, Never gonna happen. We're gonna have to
shoot our way out of tyranny, aren't we. And I'm
not afraid to talk about that. There are constitutional remedies
for tyranny. That's why we have a Second Amendment. And

(03:00:26):
right now they are completely violating your rights and they
are crapping all over us. And this whole idea that
I need to be. Oh, it's not about Scott Presler,
and oh I need to be you know, it's not
about I want to know. It's very personal to me
as a person who literally has put my life and
liberty on the line and my livelihood. Oh, it's it's

(03:00:50):
personal to me, very personal. And I'm gonna tell you
right now, I will never stop talking about the truth.
I will never stop being that person who pushes it
in someone's face. And if I want it to be
the narrative that I just am jealous of these people,

(03:01:10):
it's fascinating to me. Do you not think that I
wasn't given an opportunity to lie in bed with dogs
and just shut my mouth and take money. Oh one
hundred percent, sweetheart, one hundred percent. I've been offered that,
and I told them to shove it up their ass
because at the end of the day, what matters is
the truth. Period. That's where we need to be when

(03:01:34):
talking about the mail in ballot system. Okay, So at
the end of the day, where I feel that we
need to be is in the courts. I think we
need to be at every possible way, we need to
be shoving it in their face. Regardless if they try
to suppress it. We need to be inside of the legislature,
which we can sue them too, and no one seems

(03:01:55):
to want to enter into the court system. Let me
tell you something, do not be afraid of being pro
se okay, or sue juris or whatever you want to
call it. The attorneys that I deal with, okay, if
their mouths are moving, they're lying. These are the dumbest
people I have ever spoken to. Besides the left, these
are the most moronic people that don't even understand the law.

(03:02:19):
And all you have to do is continue to tell
the truth. And if we continue to do this, and
if we continue to fight in every branch of government,
we will be successful. We have to do everything that
we possibly can. I'm telling you right now, Pennsylvania is
on the cusp of becoming Colorado. And the last thing
I'm going to say is can we please stop talking

(03:02:41):
about you know again, this unifying. I need to pat
on the back, you know, my my legislators, and my
board of supervisors for following the law. Let me tell
you something, I've never even patted my son on the
back for doing what he's supposed to be doing. I
will not pat people on the back for following the law.

(03:03:03):
It's what they should be doing. And as matter of fact,
I should be calling them out and so should you.
And if they can't take the heat, then they shouldn't
be sitting in that position. Period. I will sit here
and tell you this. There's things that you can do. One,
you can fight back against the propaganda. Two, stop unifying

(03:03:23):
with morons. Three you need to start referring to the
people like Scott Presslers as traitors to their country, okay.
And four the last thing that you need to be
doing most importantly is you need to be speaking loudly
and never allow anyone to tell you to back down
and not tell the truth. Because at the end of
the day, if you're saying that you're Christians, will then

(03:03:45):
you know that your faith lies in Jesus Christ and
the truth will prevail. Thank you very much. I yield
my time.

Speaker 2 (03:03:54):
Thank you, Leah. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (03:03:56):
I'd like to invite the fights to come up and speak.
I had sent you an invite, so please do accept that.
But Jeff the Loan Raccoon, you are our first speaker.
You's been so patient. I do see your hand up Caroline,
I'd like to let Jeff speak again based on everything
he's heard. If you have any questions or comments, Jeff

(03:04:17):
Loan Raccoon.

Speaker 2 (03:04:18):
Preview, and then we'll go to Caroline and then the
good fight. Thank you. Can you hear us? Okay, Jeff,
can you hear me?

Speaker 13 (03:04:35):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (03:04:35):
Got you now?

Speaker 3 (03:04:36):
All right? The information that's from put out here is
just just absolutely priceless. I want to give props for
leader for saying things directly that need to be said,
and it is true. I want to amplify the fact
that there is no single issue election fraud.

Speaker 24 (03:05:00):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (03:05:00):
It all has to be dealt with. Now, it's just
fine as some people, you know, I want to deal
with certain areas you know, as their specialty. You know
that that we need we need to you know, understand
that it all has to be fixed. The voter rolls,
the unrestricted uh early and absentee balloting, the machines that

(03:05:24):
are are running rampant uh and and you know others.

Speaker 24 (03:05:30):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (03:05:32):
It's just just you know, interesting to hear every every step,
if you've been listening, every step of our election process
is subject to front, every single one down to you know,
the balance. You know, the ballot images which can be
rewritten every everybody that's that's been proven that the early

(03:05:55):
voting it has no chain of custody and no, no,
And I love the fact that you know it was
put out that really you have an inequity between people
who vote on election day and who cast their boleance
by mail. It's the system designed to to well, I
was going to say fail, but but it's worse than that. Uh,

(03:06:18):
it's designed to succeed for the for the people who
are running behind the scenes. H and I just you
know this, this recording, I think you know could be
very important uh going forward as far as laying out
so many great pieces of information. Well, I'll step back.

Speaker 1 (03:06:41):
Thank you, sir. Yes, the recording will be available. That's
a that's an excellent point. And Caroline go ahead, and
then we're going to have the good fight after you
go ahead, Carolyn, Yes, sir.

Speaker 12 (03:06:52):
I got a good fight. Yeah, she's up here, Okay, Yeah.
I just wanted to.

Speaker 15 (03:06:55):
Address a couple of things that Leah said. Because I
am in Pennsylvania and in regards to the pro SAE,
don't be afraid. I had to go up against the
mark eliascript Woo, the big scary marke Eliascript And you
know what, I darned near kicked their ever love and butt. Okay,
And had I known a little bit more and had
just one more day, I probably would have won. And
they had to keep adding on liars, a lawyers, liars,

(03:07:18):
same thing, right.

Speaker 12 (03:07:19):
So she's absolutely right about that.

Speaker 15 (03:07:20):
These people are not prepared to fight back with regular
people in common sense. Okay, you just go in there
and you just tell the truth, and they don't have
a defense because they're liars.

Speaker 12 (03:07:30):
Okay.

Speaker 15 (03:07:31):
And then also the other thing, I want to talk
about your mail in voting. Now, let's just take a
good look at this. Once it really hit me right
in the forehead. I was like, what the hell? Why
would I hand in my Why would I Why would
I hand over my sacred voting right to the United
States Postal Service that is spedualizing the elections. That's the

(03:07:53):
last people we want handling are ballots on sacred ballots
on math scale. Yes, we should have absent for a
good reason, and there should be a real strong good reason.
And then lastly, I want to say, she's absolutely right.
We have to fight, fight, fight, because at the polls
here in Pennsylvania, I literally have to fight. I think
Leah has experienced this too. We are talking about committee people,

(03:08:13):
we are talking about congressional aids will physically, physically, physically
put their hands on you. They called the election people
on me right because I fought back with them, but
the election people stuck up for me because I wasn't
taking my right away. They were taking my right away.

Speaker 25 (03:08:30):
So you know, when they start doing that, you know.

Speaker 15 (03:08:33):
You're over the target. And unfortunately that's where we are.
And that's it. Thanks for letting me speak. I yield
to the good fight.

Speaker 2 (03:08:40):
Yeah, go ahead, good fight, and please do shout out.

Speaker 1 (03:08:42):
You know, your socials and your website first give brief
introduction and then you're your discussion.

Speaker 2 (03:08:48):
On early mail and voting, and then any calls to action.

Speaker 4 (03:08:51):
At the end.

Speaker 2 (03:08:51):
Thank you, good good fight.

Speaker 28 (03:08:55):
This is my only social media. I don't site, and
I completely agree with Leah.

Speaker 14 (03:09:03):
Do not be afraid to file pro se.

Speaker 28 (03:09:06):
We went from the county to the state Supreme Court
to the US Supreme Court, and the US Supreme Court
didn't take up our case. But you know, in Georgia,
we also have laws that require the ballot to be
counted by hand before they certified, but that law is ignored.

(03:09:29):
And you know, we we have over three hundred pages
of evidence and I'm not just talking, you know, proof
from cast vote records or from the SLOG files or
you know that showed that it was a QR code

(03:09:50):
mismatch and all that bull crap. It's not just that
we have emails, emails that are written between the Secretary
of State's office and the various county boards of elections,
and between the Secretary of State's Office and Fortalis, and
between the Secretary of State's Office and Ceir, and between
the Secretary of State's Office and Eric where they prove

(03:10:14):
themselves guilty. They're out in the open on their emails.
You know, has it cost us thousands upon thousands upon
thousands of dollars in for your requests? Yes it has.
But it's unfortunately my connection is really bad, so I've
missed probably two thirds of what has been said, and

(03:10:36):
I'll have to go back and listen.

Speaker 4 (03:10:37):
To the recording.

Speaker 28 (03:10:39):
But this was our biggest issue when we were fighting,
you know, the tpusas and the Scott Presslers and the
RNC for their push for mail in ballots and early voting.
Is that is what lost us the twenty twenty election.

Speaker 16 (03:11:00):
You know, they.

Speaker 28 (03:11:00):
Ushered COVID in so that they could steal the election.
I hope everybody realizes that. You know, we have proof
that Brad Raffensberger actually ordered absentee ballots in January of
twenty nineteen.

Speaker 10 (03:11:16):
Now, how is that even a thing?

Speaker 14 (03:11:18):
How would he even.

Speaker 28 (03:11:19):
Know who was going to be on the ballot in
January of twenty nineteen, But he ordered absentee ballots. Not
only did he order him, he started mailing them out
to people for the twenty twenty election in twenty nineteen.
And have proof in seventy four.

Speaker 29 (03:11:33):
That is that my audio that cut out?

Speaker 19 (03:11:48):
Can?

Speaker 30 (03:11:48):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (03:11:49):
Can that cut out? Hello?

Speaker 2 (03:11:52):
I think it was meant there was meant okay.

Speaker 28 (03:11:55):
So you know everybody was talking about that voter GAK
where the judge demanded that Fulton County turn over the
three hundred and seventy four thousand ballots because to prove
that they did a signature verification. Well, hell, we already
have emails between Fulton County and the Secretary of State's office,
and between Fulton County and what is that Blue whatever

(03:12:20):
it is Blue Crest between them and Blue Crest where
they actually admitted that they didn't even do signature verifications.
So you wonder why they say that those ballots were just.

Speaker 12 (03:12:38):
They finally lost. You come back to us.

Speaker 2 (03:12:44):
I think she said her say her signals in and out?

Speaker 4 (03:12:48):
He said, can you hear me?

Speaker 19 (03:12:50):
Can you guys hear me?

Speaker 2 (03:12:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (03:12:53):
Go ahead, you can hear me?

Speaker 28 (03:12:55):
Okay, okay. So you know, those three hundred seven four
thousand ballots never even existed.

Speaker 14 (03:13:02):
I'm convinced of that.

Speaker 28 (03:13:03):
So they tried to get around saying that they didn't
provide them to voter GA because they destroyed those ballots. Well,
those ballots never freaking existed. And we have all of
that evidence. And for some reason, even though in Georgia's
constitution it says that if.

Speaker 1 (03:13:34):
We're losing your audio again, is she cutting out for you, Carolyn?

Speaker 12 (03:13:39):
Yes, sir, she sure is. Good fight. Come back to us.

Speaker 2 (03:13:43):
Yeah, if you're having issues, good fight we may have.

Speaker 28 (03:13:46):
They dismissed our case through Georgia was because of sovereign immunity.

Speaker 10 (03:13:50):
So and I'm.

Speaker 19 (03:13:52):
Firmly convinced that it all starts.

Speaker 28 (03:13:55):
It all starts from the voter registration database because we
also have that evidence. We have the evidence where no ink,
and no ink is everybody. You know, we have no
ink pull pads in Georgia, but no ink is votum,
it is clear choice.

Speaker 8 (03:14:11):
It is clear vote. It's all of them.

Speaker 28 (03:14:13):
They all are operating on the same operating system and
they all use Huawei Cloud services, which is why you
have people who live in Georgia that somehow are registered
in Florida and Colorado and California. It's funny, you know,
you're you're registered in Atlanta, California. There is no Atlanta, California,

(03:14:35):
but somehow you have a voter registration there, and it's
all because of the voter registration database. So you know,
between myself and the Georgia nerds real, we have not only.

Speaker 30 (03:14:50):
Proven doctor I can't remember his name, is Paget or
Packet the Paget I think it is, we've proven his
algorithm in Georgia and we've already provided.

Speaker 28 (03:15:01):
That evidence too, But we've also you know, and it's
funny because I was pro se through the entire thing.
You know, when you go to court nine times, right,
you go to court nine times.

Speaker 14 (03:15:13):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 28 (03:15:14):
It's one lawsuit, but you go to court nine times,
and you know, I was the same as with Caroline.
They kept adding more and more and more attorneys from
the Attorney.

Speaker 14 (03:15:22):
General's office here in Georgia.

Speaker 28 (03:15:24):
Right, So at the last one that we went to,
Attorney General Christopher Carr added himself as a defense attorney.
So you know, it was me and my little co plaintiff,
who's a wonderful lady. But it was me and my
little co plaintiff on the plaintiff's side, and on the
defendant side there was eleven attorneys. I mean, it was

(03:15:46):
ridiculous and that and Leah's right, they're stupid. They have
no idea what the election law says in this state.
No idea, no idea. They don't even have any idea
what your constitution in your state says. So whoever said that,
I don't remember if it was Ash or who it
was that had brought that up. That you know, the

(03:16:09):
biggest thing that you need to do is learn your
election laws in your state and learn your constitution in
your state. And if you know that, you are so
far ahead of every attorney that's in this state, or
your attorney general for that matter, So don't be afraid

(03:16:31):
to file pro say you know you're you're a little
nervous the first time, and then after that you're like,
these people are fucking it. Oh, I'm sorry, these people
are freaking idiots. So after that, you're you're you have
all the confidence in the world because you know, you know,
you know, a thousand times more than those stupid attorneys now,
including your Attorney General's office. But you know, our biggest

(03:16:52):
thing that when we were in opposition of the Pressler
and the TPUSA and the RNC, when they started pushing
this early voting and bank your vote. Bull crap. If
that is what lost the twenty twenty election, why would
you want to repeat the issues that cost Donald Trump

(03:17:13):
the twenty twenty election. Why would you want to do that?
You know, and we said that over and over and
over again. Why do you want to repeat what cost
us the twenty twenty election in the first place.

Speaker 1 (03:17:28):
Excellent point, Thank you the good fight. So I know
we the people back on. They'd requested to speak again
about thirty minutes ago. So Shelby with the people. I
don't know if Brian's with you or not, but go ahead.

Speaker 10 (03:17:41):
No, no, he's hat with me. Sorry about that.

Speaker 25 (03:17:43):
I have to step out, but but yeah, I was
just listening to.

Speaker 11 (03:17:52):
What the previous speaker was talking about, and I'm sorry
I couldn't see who was speaking. But something that I've
been kind of trying to bring attention to is this
no Ink thing. I think a lot of people believe,
because they're site books that they're using on these voter
rules all have different manufacturers and different names to them,

(03:18:14):
that they're somehow not an issue. But they're all built
on the same b pro software system, which was bought
out by no Ink. And this has been a real issue,
even the one here in Arizona. Both the Maricopa County
Voter Rolls system and the AVID system that was built
for Arizona. They're both proprietary softwares built by Mericopa County,

(03:18:40):
built by the Arizona Secretary of STEAT, but they're all
built on the b pro platform. And one of the
issues with that is if you look at the b
pro contracts and you look at their design mechanisms, they
specifically state that they are ERIC interface systems, so they

(03:19:00):
are designed not with the back door. They are designed
with a front door to go in and interface with
external computer systems or external systems. And this is the
issue we're getting into and this is why we have
thousands of voters that are not only being moved around

(03:19:21):
and manipulated in the voter rules, but being disenfranchised. And
we see that here in Arizona all the time. In
twenty twenty two, in the work we did with Ahamaday,
there were over nine thousand voters whose voter registrations were
canceled without their knowledge or consent, and about eighty five
percent of them were actually moved and registered to vote

(03:19:43):
in other counties where they never requested to vote. And
we're seeing this not only intra county within the state,
but externally in other states, where our voters are being
replicated into the system, voting in states where many of
them don't even have a real physical residency.

Speaker 10 (03:20:02):
So I know this.

Speaker 11 (03:20:03):
Kind of takes us off topic, but I'm just I
was excited and fascinated that somebody else is talking about this,
So I've wanted to talk about it a little bit
because it's something that.

Speaker 10 (03:20:16):
I don't think a lot of people really understand.

Speaker 11 (03:20:19):
And I know people talk about the Eric system, and
they talk about the dangers of the Eric system, but
it's it doesn't matter if it's Derek or not Eric.
The bottom line is that front door still exists in
these systems, and the voter rules can be and will
be manipulated, even even if the states get rid of Eric.

(03:20:40):
And trust me, I'm an advocate for getting rid of Eric,
but Eric is.

Speaker 10 (03:20:43):
Not really the problem.

Speaker 11 (03:20:45):
The problem is the systems that allow ERIC or what
other other systems out there to manipulate the software. And
you know, it's just goes back to the same thing
with runback, and you know, runback was brought I think
the professor was talking about his experience with runback, and

(03:21:07):
that's one of my big issues right now is how
in this system that they have developed, this systemic system
of fraud in elections, they are creating kind of I
hate to use the term, but I don't know another way,
kind of a siop, and that they're saying, oh, well,
it's okay, we're going to put these holograms on the

(03:21:29):
ballots and we're going to build these safeguards on the ballots,
so then everything's okay, nothing to see here. But then
simultaneously they're going to take a shadow organization like runback,
and I call it a shadow organization because it's a
non governmental agency performing the duties of a government under
the darkness of.

Speaker 10 (03:21:48):
A private entity.

Speaker 11 (03:21:50):
And now they're pressing and perpetuating this idea of expansion
of vote centers, expansion of contracts for ballot printing. And
you know, we have these third parties operating our governmental
system and we have zero, zero oversight. You know, as
was pointed out, we filed a lawsuit against Runbeck and

(03:22:12):
the courts team that we had no right to access
their records. Well, the problem is is that they are
literally performing eighty percent of the elections in Maricopa County,
So that effectively shuts down all capability of public auditing
in our elections when we allow these third party entities

(03:22:32):
the ability to operate in darkness.

Speaker 31 (03:22:35):
So I mean we we are seeing efforts for election
integrity that is actually taking us further back in the
wrong direction.

Speaker 11 (03:22:47):
We're seeing people like Lisamara, who works for Adrian Fontas
at the Arizona Secretary of Seat now getting appointed on
the Advisory Council for the EAC. So these are the
very same people that we're fighting against coaches County and
other government officials to do handcounts and to audit the
equipment are now working for the EAC.

Speaker 10 (03:23:07):
So it's just a massive.

Speaker 11 (03:23:11):
It's a system that is built to protect itself and
the only way we have to break through that system
otherwise it's just a circular system that is designed to
do everything it can to protect the institution. And so
we've got a lot of work to do, and if
we do not start pushing to get away from this

(03:23:32):
early voting and mail in ballot system, we will never
get back to the handcounts, which is ultimately what we
all want because we need to get to precinct voting.

Speaker 10 (03:23:43):
So that's all I wanted to add.

Speaker 11 (03:23:45):
So I'm super excited about the panelists that are on
here and everybody in their fighting and the knowledge that's
out there, and I just want to thank you, and
I look forward to hopefully working with some of you
who I've not worked with. Many of you I have
over the course of time at one point or another,
either through the work of the Kerry.

Speaker 10 (03:24:05):
Lake Trials or other data stuff.

Speaker 11 (03:24:07):
But i just want to thank you all for what
you're doing, and I'm just excited that we're all traveling
in the same direction.

Speaker 2 (03:24:16):
Thank you, Shelby.

Speaker 1 (03:24:16):
I appreciate that, and I would encourage everyone on the
space to follow each other reach out to people you
haven't interacted with before, especially if you know you have
similar interest and topics. What I'd like to do, First
of all, I did send an invite to Mike to
King Solomon at Solomon At one of my co host requests,

(03:24:36):
so please do accept that mic request. But what I'd
like to do is allow the panelists and then thank
you for panels, for having your hands up to get
it a little bit more interactive with each other.

Speaker 2 (03:24:47):
You can ask questions.

Speaker 1 (03:24:48):
I'm going to limit it to about two minutes each
and we're so please do put your hand up if
you're an existing speaker, and.

Speaker 2 (03:24:56):
If you have questions, you can interact with each other.
It's fine.

Speaker 1 (03:24:58):
We're gonna limit to two minutes each though, and I'm
going to start with Chris.

Speaker 2 (03:25:04):
Go ahead, Chris.

Speaker 7 (03:25:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (03:25:05):
I'm gonna reiterate sort of what Shelby was pointing out
as well as what Lea was pointing out dramatically, and
that is that we are pretty much under attack. Our
form of government was set up to establish and guard
against enemies foreign and domestic, and when you talk about
domestic enemies, I hate to be the one that deliver
the news, but we are being under attack, and it's

(03:25:26):
coming in through the grassroots and the whole the whole
premise of where our systems are, the machines and everything.
That's the red herring. That's not the real problem, the problem. Yes,
they're they're problematic, they're technical. There's so many problems with them.
We don't want them go back to original paper ballots

(03:25:50):
and and just you know, security, security, security. If you're
designing something that is going to guard against and protect
against invasion, you don't want to deal with computer technology
because the very first thing, and I know about this,
I can speak about it in great detail, the first
thing an enemy will do is deceive you that you

(03:26:10):
think everything is okay when they're actually coming up on you.
It's what we did in Bagdad with Bagdad, Bob. Everybody
knows that story. The older people that saw the stuff
and the invasions know that story. And when we do
those things, when we're guarding against those things, the enemy
wants you to look over here while they're doing somewhere else.

(03:26:31):
It's a rule of war now, it's very very common.
But the systems that they've put in place are not
the issue. Guarding our republic from domestic enemies and how
they manipulate things. We're pretty much fighting what al Capone
and the rest of those people had leveraged for quite
a long time. Once you gain control of the government,

(03:26:54):
knocking that tyranny out becomes a matter of a civil war,
and we don't want to go there. So we want
to get to We're in a cold type of situation
right now. But we have to step up, learn the truth,
learn how to speak the truth directly, fiercely, and yet
not go over the line by inciting anything. And then

(03:27:16):
where the where the legal avenues are possible. I don't
think our government is legit. I even can question whether
I can't authenticate that Trump actually won. If it's that bad,
we are in a serious situation. But last piece, if
you don't vet the lower level, if you're not tying
things together and saying there's problems even with our primaries,

(03:27:38):
even within the parties, if you're not vetting your people
all the way out and finding out where they are,
you don't have a party system anymore. You have this
complete reliance upon a beast. So in a form of
government that just doesn't work. So I'll leave it there
and you can I'll follow up with anybody that wants
And Brian, I make a suggestion here, have another space

(03:28:00):
where you talk about the legal aspects of stuff and
the processes and how it's involved, because this right here,
when we're focusing on the mail in voting and that
kind of stuff, that's sort of after the fact. It's
really a matter of who's on the voter rolls and
whether they're they're legitimate or not. And when we talk

(03:28:20):
about the voter roles, I want to think about enlisted
enlistments and militia because that's where it really comes from.
It's about who's available for war. And if you want
to look at it right now, I know there's multiple
states where they actually have people and they're signed up
on through these these Department of Motive vehicles and everything.

(03:28:40):
They're signed up for that they get onto the voter roles.
And I don't know if you know this, it doesn't
matter whether they're legal or not. They can get they
get drafted in a war and then they become legit voters.
So it's really weird. I mean, are they have they vetted?
I'd hate to see trend to auga and and you know,
Mostlim extremists or anything else else, people that are literally

(03:29:01):
invading the country, coming in and then becoming in charge
of the triggers. The trigger pull is the weapon, the
peoples that are in charge of making the weapons work
in our military, that's a real possibility, and you don't
want that. So these are the kinds of situations. I
know it's it's really kind of nasty to talk about
this stuff, but that's the serious danger of what we're

(03:29:23):
looking at here when it comes to elections. So I'll
land it there and really seriously consider about, you know,
having having another space. It's been great, very very informative,
great people, but the whole thing on the technology and
the voting stuff is sort of missing the point. There's
a motive happening, and it's been going on for a
long time. So I'll leave it there.

Speaker 1 (03:29:45):
Thanks well, I appreciate Chris, and please do message me
a couple different sample titles or topics for that for
that space, and we can definitely do that.

Speaker 2 (03:29:54):
I can have you as a co host.

Speaker 1 (03:29:56):
I'm going to go next to my co host Mark
and let's try to keep everything to two minutes. I
do see those other hands. I'm going to get you
to keep those up. Go ahead, Mark, and then we'll
go to the loan raccoon again.

Speaker 2 (03:30:09):
But two minute time limit. Go ahead, Mark.

Speaker 4 (03:30:12):
Okay, sounds good. Appreciate it.

Speaker 13 (03:30:14):
So here's what we need. This is a call to
action here. We need a make Election Day grade again movement.
Everyone needs to be working on creating that. We cannot
do early voting, we cannot do mail in. So what
we have to do is we have to drive the
influence to get people to want to vote on election
day again. We have to push this. It's up to us.

(03:30:36):
So everyone figure out a way to do it. Make
election Day grade again. Whether it's barbecues and picnics on
election Day or cool stickers or whatever type of little
ad campaigns or little videos you want to do, make
it the thing. The other thing we need to do
is we need hand count armies everywhere. We will not
fix this unless we are hand counting our own ballots

(03:30:57):
no matter what we do. So you may as well
get the armies ready to go. You need to train
people all over your state and how to do this process.
And then once you have that done, you'll have people
committed to doing it. And then when you go in
to make the argument that we want to go back
to handcount and they say, well, we don't have enough
people to do it. You will not only have a

(03:31:17):
massive list of people, you'll have an entire hand count
network of people that are ready to go trained up.
You can have videos, training manuals, the whole deal. In fact,
invite your election officials to that and ask for their
input on it so they can be a part of
the process too. If we can get buy in from
election officials. Even better, we have to break the feedback loop,

(03:31:41):
that feedback loop that we talked about where they're able
to monitor who's voting using the mail in ballot tracking
and the electronic poll books. It's really important do everything
possible to break their feedback loop. Deprive them of the
data that they have and use to manipulate our elections.
That's how we reduce their ability to manipulate them. And
then we need a massive get out the vote effort

(03:32:03):
on election day, election day in person get out the vote.
So the other links I've got, I will put in
the chat here, and the person who says it's who's
on the voter rules, it's worse than that because they've
designed the system to manipulate it. So I'm going to
put a bunch of links in there. Please watch those
links and contact me all you like.

Speaker 4 (03:32:20):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 7 (03:32:22):
Mark.

Speaker 2 (03:32:22):
It looks like Jeff did drop.

Speaker 1 (03:32:24):
If he comes back on, please let's get make him
a speaker and let's.

Speaker 2 (03:32:27):
Get his question in there. I'm going to go Lori
and then Gale.

Speaker 10 (03:32:32):
Hey, okay, great space.

Speaker 9 (03:32:35):
I just I want to jump on what Chris was saying,
because I believe that the machines and on the early
voting and the mail in ballots are at the heart
of the issue that we're having. Because a Republican form
of local self government is direct You directly elect are

(03:32:57):
representatives in that political power. We have one hundred plus
years and of course in our new eastern Northeastern states,
Texas was the twenty eighth state, so when we joined
the Union, we have one hundred years of history showing
that the elections were by the people. There were no
private for profit corporations and no government involvement in our

(03:33:22):
county election precincts. And it's a requirement that these election
precincts be small and contiguous. And the way that we
did the elections by the people was through our political
parties and there is a movement to get rid of
the political parties and to go to internet voting. So
they're they're making it almost impossible to conduct in person

(03:33:45):
elections that you could preserve, the secrecy, the purity and
the security of the ballot box impossible. Go try to
find a polling place in your precinct that's going to
allow you to use that site for seventeen days. Okay,
Go try to find somebody that could take seventeen.

Speaker 8 (03:33:59):
Days off of work.

Speaker 9 (03:34:01):
We have our county using a temp agency contracting out
using temp workers that mostly sorry, not dogging temp agencies,
but those are unemployable people right that have no skill set,
have no idea about elections, have no idea about an
oath to the Texas Constitution and our political parties. There's

(03:34:24):
a requirement in Texas for the general election there must
be parody. You must have the two majority parties, one
the presiding judge, the other the alternative judge.

Speaker 10 (03:34:34):
And that was this.

Speaker 9 (03:34:35):
It was the these precinct chair presiding judges found the
polling location and had already a team in their election
precinct of their neighbors that were trained. They monitored the
voter registration's list year round. This was a local control,
local oversight, and local administration. So our political parties, like

(03:34:57):
in williamsond I have one hundred and sixty five election
precincts right broken up under each county commissioner.

Speaker 8 (03:35:04):
And and that's how it's supposed to be broken up.

Speaker 9 (03:35:07):
Like all of precinct one ballots, the county commissioner certifies
all of the precinct pulling locations inside of their jurisdiction.
And now it's this centralized process and it just keeps
getting more centralized and more centralized. And we should fight
to be back at our precinct. So we have the history.

(03:35:28):
We did it for one hundred years in Texas that
nobody that lived outside of your election precinct was allowed
to touch your ballots. They weren't even allowed to be
in your election precinct pulling location. It was only the
stakeholders that had the power that was being transferred that
were allowed to preside, They were allowed to clerk, and

(03:35:49):
they were allowed to count.

Speaker 8 (03:35:50):
And so now you have.

Speaker 9 (03:35:51):
Every anybody in the world can have their fingers in
our ballot box, and we.

Speaker 8 (03:35:58):
Must get these things out.

Speaker 2 (03:35:59):
So thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (03:36:01):
I do see that first time speaker is Edward Solomon,
so I'm gonna go to him first since he's a
first time speaker, and then back to Jeff who's back,
and then Gail Golick.

Speaker 2 (03:36:11):
So go ahead, Edward Solomon, please mute? Can you hear me?
Ed I think you're muted?

Speaker 32 (03:36:23):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (03:36:25):
Yes? We got you? Go ahead, all right.

Speaker 32 (03:36:26):
So I'm not giving everybody a math lecture today. Don't worry. Okay,
We're gonna stay on topic.

Speaker 6 (03:36:31):
In fact, I just got done submitting our exhibit in
court today. We have an emergency hearing because the Rapahoe County, Colorado,
retroactively altered this twenty twenty cast Foe record to undermine
the evidence that we have in our case that was
filed in December. Okay, however, what is our case filed under?
I write in our case the math is just the

(03:36:53):
fruit of the poison tree.

Speaker 32 (03:36:55):
What's it?

Speaker 6 (03:36:55):
The root of this tree? It's the loss of our
republican form of government.

Speaker 32 (03:37:00):
Okay. We're filed on their Article four, Section four.

Speaker 6 (03:37:04):
The United States Constitution, that the United States shall guarantee
to every state in this Union and republican form of
government when we have elections that are unobservable, unverifiable, and unchallengeable.
We don't have a republican former government. So everybody's talking
about election day, early voting, mail and voting. Well, in Nevada,

(03:37:27):
election day early voting and election day voting, all forms
of voting, they all go to a central tabulation unit
and there the ballance, as it says in state law,
are computed, not counted, computed on proprietary uh Turing machines computers. Okay,
and you know and that the the argument is, well,

(03:37:48):
maybe if they made the code open source or public,
it would be Okay, No, it wouldn't. Human beings are
not computers. We're not touring machines. Even if the even
if the computer code was open source, human beings cannot
they're not neo from the matrix. Okay, they can't plug
their brains into a computer and verify that the advertised
code is what's running on those computers in real time

(03:38:10):
at the time during an election case, we have unobservable
elections because human observation means nothing when ballots are computed
on Turing machines. Unless you're neo from the matrix and
you can plug your brain in. We have unverifiable elections
is all. The paper trails are hidden, if there's any
paper trails at all. And the VATA they use touchscreen,
then they print a VPAT. A VPAT is not filled

(03:38:33):
out by a human voter is filled out by another
turing machine.

Speaker 32 (03:38:36):
Okay, then we have proprietary systems. We can't even see
the software code to begin with.

Speaker 6 (03:38:43):
And then you have unchallengeable elections because they say, well,
because you don't have the authority or the ability to
investigate or or get any of these records, you don't
even have standing in court.

Speaker 32 (03:38:55):
So we're on the.

Speaker 6 (03:38:55):
We're in court on an Article four, Section four filing.
We've been there for eight months uphold the guarantee clause
of the United States Constitution. That's how we win this.
The you can't play the game with these lawyers. And
by the way, we're also pro say, like the previous
speaker was talking about. I told Andy, the plaintiff, I said,

(03:39:16):
do not hire any of these scumbag lawyers. They're all retarded,
or they're complicit, or they're afraid. Okay, no, stop trying
to get attorneys. Attorneys are never going to help you.
Look what happened to the root of Giuliani. Look what
happened to Sidney Powell. Even when they try to do
the right thing, they slipped their throats. Okay, you have

(03:39:38):
to you have to go into court. You have to court,
you have to file on the guarantee clause of the
United States Constitution. We have unobservable, unverifiable, and unchallengeable elections.
That's what I wanted to say.

Speaker 4 (03:39:49):
That's correct. Cool, and thank you Ed very much.

Speaker 7 (03:39:52):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (03:39:54):
Thank you, Ed, We appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (03:39:56):
And then I I want to go to Jeff the
low Raccoon to limit it to two minutes, please, sir, if.

Speaker 2 (03:40:02):
You can, they're going to go to gae bulletcause after that,
can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (03:40:08):
Jeff?

Speaker 3 (03:40:11):
I just wanted to say that we've had a Pandora's
box of terrible things that come out in this but
I want to show the hope that's come out of
the box. In twenty twenty, forty six percent of voters
estimated castor a vote by mail I and others. I'm
not taking the whole lot of people work to get

(03:40:33):
that number, to get the Republicans to come home and
vote on election day. In twenty twenty four. According to
the current numbers that we have twenty nine percent. That's
seventeen percent less. If we want to look for reasons
for why we got Donald Trump back into the White House,
there is a huge one. We know what they've done,

(03:40:57):
we know how they do it. They the patterns that
I identified at twenty twenty went away largely in twenty twenty four,
probably because they didn't want to repeat them anymore. And
in everyday conversations with people now I'm hearing the fact
that they're starting to doubt that these electronic voting machines
are all that they're rupped up to be. So you know,

(03:41:21):
we are now we're still at war, but now we're
on the offense. And don't forget that it's a lot
more fun to be on the offense. And just you know, everybody,
just keep working because now I think our efforts are
going to be force multiplied. So thank you again, and God.

Speaker 2 (03:41:39):
Bless thank you, sir, God bless you as well.

Speaker 1 (03:41:43):
Gilgo at limited at two minutes please, and then we're
going go Tony on at the VOPA and then we
have a couple more.

Speaker 2 (03:41:48):
With hands up, we'll get to you. Charlie go ahead, Eric,
go ahead, Okay.

Speaker 25 (03:41:52):
Hi, thank you, and everything's all right at home. Just
want to let you know, sorry about all the interruption there.
I wanted to just you know, reiterate about the election
taking the time to do a help America Vote Act
administrative complaint and you know, like Leah says, definitely file complaints.

(03:42:16):
Like I said, I cannot find a lawyer, but I did.
I did, indeed, sue the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors,
the Arizona Secretary of State, Dominion voting systems, Rumback election systems,
the the county election directors like rave Vellenzuelan, Scott Jarrett.
I sued them all and you know what, Yeah was

(03:42:37):
I afraid, Yeah, absolutely, but I did what I could
do and you know that was dismissed without prejudice. But
at least it's out there, it's on the record, and
so I do agree law fair is where we need
to go. And then secondly, I did just post in
the nest.

Speaker 11 (03:42:52):
Or whatever you want to call it, at the bottom
of our daing a and I love your idea, Mark Cook,
make election Day great again. I did a hashtag on
that and then I show I did a graft there
of all of the number of average voters by precinct.
And again, if we just let everybody know well at

(03:43:13):
a precinct level on election day is feasible, often faster, cheaper,
and more transparent than machines.

Speaker 25 (03:43:21):
It's really something that I believe we should all continue
to focus on. And I want to thank you again
Brian for holding this and allowing everybody to get this information,
very very important information out there.

Speaker 2 (03:43:33):
God bless thank you, Gail. Gods. So let's go to Tony
Try limited two minutes. Please tone yep, let.

Speaker 18 (03:43:39):
Me know if you can hear me, okay, because I'm
in and out of the car with kiddos all day.

Speaker 7 (03:43:42):
Everything good, Yes, you're good.

Speaker 19 (03:43:46):
Okay, super quick.

Speaker 18 (03:43:47):
I think the reason why in Pennsylvania anyway, people got
hoodwinked easy, easily by the early vote action folks, is
because they're so frustrated and they didn't know what to
do and it looks like we're The argument was, we're
uck with this law Act seventy seven. We don't have
the House, obviously, our governor's a communists.

Speaker 10 (03:44:05):
There's no other way.

Speaker 18 (03:44:06):
And what they don't understand is there is a way.
But I think that's how they got so easily hoodwinked
by him. I've spent since Brandon's video dropped. I have
been on the phone constantly because Out of the Vote
had a lot of supporters that were also Scott Presler supporters,
and they're certainly fallen on one side or the other.

Speaker 19 (03:44:21):
But I've talked to a lot of people.

Speaker 18 (03:44:23):
That tell me, first of all, I'm going to be
out of town for this election, like people, I don't know.
I feel like I'm in the twilight zone, Like are
people really that dumb? I'm not going to be in
town for the elections? Should I just not vote then?
And so to not do a mail ballot? And I'm like,
what are we in some kind of like crazy land?
Like no, like vote for.

Speaker 19 (03:44:42):
Crying out love, that's what it's for.

Speaker 18 (03:44:43):
Absentee ballots, that's what it's for. If not voting because
you're not gonna be in town for a primary, or
do the mail ballot, then do the flipping mail ballot
like people leave their brains on a shelf. I just
don't understand. But the next thing is, and I'm done,
there is.

Speaker 14 (03:44:57):
A path.

Speaker 2 (03:45:05):
Right Tony finished?

Speaker 19 (03:45:14):
Oh are we back?

Speaker 10 (03:45:15):
That's ok.

Speaker 2 (03:45:17):
Okay?

Speaker 18 (03:45:18):
So here's the path. There is a potential path. This
is one path.

Speaker 10 (03:45:21):
I love that all the.

Speaker 14 (03:45:22):
Ideas that are being thrown around.

Speaker 18 (03:45:24):
We have Supreme Court judge Races with Pressler is really
good at bringing attention to this, that we can vote
no on in November. The three Supreme Court judges that
stiff armed President Trump and would not let any of
his lawsuits go through, we can boot them this November.
We can then elect new Supreme Court justices. And the
lawsuit that was filed in the Commonwealth Court that ruled

(03:45:46):
Act seventy seven, which gave us no excuse mail ballots
and fifty days.

Speaker 19 (03:45:49):
Of early voting.

Speaker 18 (03:45:50):
Originally, when that lawsuit was filed, it was ruled in
our favor. They said it was not passed constitutionally and
it is therefore null and void and dead, and we
would have been done. But that got appealed, of course,
to this Pennsylvania Supreme Court and they overturned it. If
we get new constitutional judges on that bench, we can
refile the lawsuit with different language and hopefully get a
favorable rolling.

Speaker 14 (03:46:10):
And be done with mail ballots.

Speaker 18 (03:46:11):
And I think that's what I'm personally trying to communicate
to people that are like, well, what else are we
supposed to do?

Speaker 19 (03:46:16):
We're stuck with this law. There is a path.

Speaker 18 (03:46:18):
I am not normalizing early voting in mail ballots.

Speaker 4 (03:46:21):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (03:46:22):
But that helps Tony go reclaim Georgia. You've had your
hand up for a while. Go ahead and on mute.

Speaker 23 (03:46:28):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 33 (03:46:29):
I really am so thrilled to hear everybody leveling. I'm
in Georgia and I am a plaintiff pro see like
many of you, I'm in both the Court of Appeals
headed to the Supreme Court of Georgia, and I'm co plaintiff.
I'm a US veteran with another US veteran in eleventh Circuit,
and we have an emotion for rehearing en Bank. We're

(03:46:51):
waiting ruling on but I wanted you you really thank
you so much for trying to answer the question like
why is this happen?

Speaker 12 (03:47:00):
And how can we laser in?

Speaker 33 (03:47:03):
And what we found is something called transhumanism. Everybody knows
what's happening. What is going on is artificial authority, the
electronics system. And I would really really urge everybody to
stop using.

Speaker 12 (03:47:20):
The term voting machine.

Speaker 33 (03:47:23):
It's not a voting machine. Voting machine is wrapped under
the federal definition of voting system, and what our case
is based on largely is two US Code, Section nine,
and it says that all votes for Congress must be
written or be by written or printed, ballot assumed paper,

(03:47:48):
or voting machine, the use of which has been duly
authorized by the state law. And all votes received or
recorded contrary to this section shall be of no effect.
So we don't have contrary to popular opinion, we don't
have an accuracy problem. We have a an authority problem.

(03:48:12):
Of course, something that's in authority that can't and shouldn't
be above the.

Speaker 23 (03:48:17):
Constitution, i e.

Speaker 33 (03:48:20):
An electronic corporate electronic system. You know, conglomeration is always
going to be wrong. It's always going to be wrong.
And I'll tell you we had the same judge in
Eleventh Circuit, or actually Northern District Georgia and Atlanta as Trump.

(03:48:43):
We had Cohen, and we filed a politically before. And
I'll just kind of wrap it up here. But this
is something to really think about. This is the battleground.
It's transhumanism, it's it. We got the ruling that our
elections in Georgia are devoid of human method devoid of
human method. Yet on the previous page are our law

(03:49:09):
is clear, it's it's updated Georgia Coach twenty one, two
four three seven, And this is a firm by Supreme Court.
They hid the ruling from twenty twenty in Georgia, and
I believed this impacted the whole country. Our Georgia Supreme
Court ruled October twenty twenty that the electronic system was

(03:49:30):
merely assistive, adjunct and not a substitute for the paper
ballot because the FED the Supreme Court knows there's only
two options is paper ballot and authorized voting machine.

Speaker 22 (03:49:43):
They've fabricated.

Speaker 33 (03:49:44):
The tabulating machine is irrelevant. There's no such thing. It's
just like you know, having solo cups as election method.
It's it's another thing that because people are so inventive
to be deceitful and cheat, it's nothing more than a
you know, kind of like a preliminary accounting tool and

(03:50:05):
a five dollar kitchen calculator can do just as well.
And so I just want to urge everybody like you're
on the right track. But what we're seeing is it's
a battle for human representative government because they don't want
the good people of this country to be in charge anywhere.
So I'm really open to collaboration because I'm going to

(03:50:29):
be working all summer on I know, I know, we're
going to have to go up and it's for everybody.
But you can reach me at eight oh three seven
two three eight seven, and I'm working with many people
into Orgia as well. God bless you guys.

Speaker 1 (03:50:46):
Thank you very much, and I think we did reach
a pretty good natural stopping point. We are going to
do a follow up X Space on some of the
other additional related topics, including those that Chris sent to me.

Speaker 2 (03:50:58):
I sent you a message on that.

Speaker 1 (03:51:00):
Please do reach out to me if you would like
me to host another space on anything election integrity related.
I'm happy to do that and have you as a
co host again. Thanks to my co host Caroline and Mark,
everyone that's been on the call, all the panelists of speakers.
My name is Brian Farns. You can follow me on
X at Brian Farren's One on True Social at Brian Farrence,

(03:51:21):
on gab at Brian fe Brianfarence dot com. And I
also do a podcast called magaminpodcast dot com. But thank
you to everyone participating and listening to this dangers.

Speaker 2 (03:51:31):
Of early and mail and voting.

Speaker 1 (03:51:34):
I would like to request that everyone please share the
recording as soon as it's available. We will definitely make
this recording available. Unfortunately, we are going to have to
cut off now, but we will be doing some additional spaces,
So please do follow and reach out and connect with
each other and follow with each other. Let's network and

(03:51:55):
let's make sure that we can save America.

Speaker 2 (03:51:57):
And our republic together. So thank you all, and God
bless

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