May 20, 2025 • 33 mins
Content Warning: This episode contains discussions of sexual and physical abuse.
This is a raw and thoughtful conversation meant to foster awareness, empathy, and dialogue around abuse, healing, and justice.
Going beyond the headlines, we examine the deep psychological implications of long-term abuse—especially when it occurs within a relationship shaped by power imbalances, fame, and control.
Mental Health is a Lifestyle Podcast with Andrea Wise-Brown, is where we discuss practical strategies for managing mental health and wellbeing.
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This is a raw and thoughtful conversation meant to foster awareness, empathy, and dialogue around abuse, healing, and justice.
Going beyond the headlines, we examine the deep psychological implications of long-term abuse—especially when it occurs within a relationship shaped by power imbalances, fame, and control.
Mental Health is a Lifestyle Podcast with Andrea Wise-Brown, is where we discuss practical strategies for managing mental health and wellbeing.
Thank you for listening to this episode of Mental Health is a Lifestyle Podcast. We hope you found these practical tips helpful and encourage you to continue prioritizing your mental health and wellness.
If you have any questions or suggestions for future episodes, please email us at mhialpodcast@gmail.com.
See you next time!
Find Andrea: awisebrown.com
Follow The Podcast At @mentalhealthisalifestylepod Mhialpodcast@gmail.com I want to know your opinions…….
In addition; if you have any questions that you want answered on the podcast send your request to mhialpodcast@gmail.com or inbox me @mentalhealthisalifestylepod
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This podcast is not a substitute for our relationship with
your mental health professional. Hey hey, hey, family, Welcome back
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Speaker 2 (01:08):
With me on this. So this week, y'all, we are talking.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
About the hottest topic that's out right now, the P
Diddy trial in Cassie Ventura. Now, from my perspective, and
this is a psychological perspective, I feel like I have
a duty to educate everyone who wants to know on
(01:31):
why did Cassie stay? Why did she stay?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
That's what everyone wants to know.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
And this is the deal. People don't really want to
know people are out there judging her. So are you
one of the people out there who's judging Cassie Ventura
because she stay with this man who she says is abusive,
who she says made her have the section escapades with
(02:02):
escorts who she said she had sex for this man
with other men, and he recorded, I don't know what
I could say and what I can't say, but and
so you just want to know through the period, through
the sores in her mouth.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Through the beatings, you want to know why did she say?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
And are you one of those who actually listened or
read the text messages heard? Because we didn't actually read
the text messages, however, we were listening to different podcasts
like Lawn Crime. I like lawn Crime podcasts because I
feel like they have a representative who's there all the time,
and so they're telling us giving us play by play
(02:42):
accounts of what's going on. So we knew what the
text messages were the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Also, there's Laura l Rosa.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
She's been in the courtroom every day, so she's been
coming back giving us play by play about you know
what the different what is it messages are that they
have that had been going back and forth to play
by play while she's been in the courtroom. So we've
been hearing from her so many people, so many news outlets.
(03:11):
I think CNN, Uh, let me see a Laura Coats.
She's an attorney and she's on either MSNBC or CNN,
and she's been given accounts of what happened, you know,
in the courtroom. And let me just tell y'all, I
was in Jersey, New York City. I'm'a slash it this
past weekend. I was oh, I was actually there last
(03:32):
week and I, y'all, I was literally about to go
stand on that line so I could get up in
that courtroom.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
But I didn't do it. You want to know why?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Because I had to work. I had to work. But
if I did not have clients to see, I would
have been Andrea Wise to the Brown, would have been
in that courtroom, honey, because it was just it was
It was good and it was so juicy. And I'm
gonna tell you the true.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I love truth.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I love facts. So instead of me hearing about facts,
you know, from third party or second party, I want
to hear it, you know, from first account. I want
to be in there. I want to hear it for myself.
And that's probably why I love what I do as
a psychotherapist, because I help people process their trauma, their
(04:22):
pain through first account through them telling me their truths.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So I love to work with truths and facts.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
So AnyWho, this is probably I'm going to say the
how maybe this is a the I don't know, the
court room Shenanigans of the season.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
That's what I'm gonna say. And so everyone's.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Talking about it, but I'm here to really let you
know about the psychological implications of a woman who's been
physical abused and who's been sexually abused, and from what
she claims allegedly she's been almost well did she She
(05:14):
kind of positioned herself allegedly to be a sex slave.
She said she was made to have these sexual acts
or to do these sexual acts for p Diddy, So
she was sex trafficked. But I don't think you can
be sex trafficked if you weren't transported across state lines.
(05:38):
So I'm not sure if she would be the one
who's supposed to be the victim of the sex trafficking. However,
I do know that she's also wrapped up in the
Rico came, it's a whole thing. But what I know
for sure is is she said the demand abused her
sexually and physically, and you want to know why she stayed,
I'm gonna tell you this psycho line co implications of
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why people who are abused sexually and physically why they
stay in relationships. So let me just start off by saying,
and I have not spoken to Cassie, However I think
she did say I understand allegedly that she would see
in the therapist now, which is also something that I
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want to point out where she probably gained some clarity. Okay,
so let me just start off by saying this, Usually,
when you are in a relationship with someone and they
are physically abusive to you, but you feel like you
love them, like you are in this toxic relationship, because
when you are being physically abused and sexually abused, it
(06:43):
is a toxic relationship. And so when you're engaging in
this relationship, you don't engage in a relationship and stay
with someone who you do not like, you know who
you like a little bit. You stay because there's a
poll there, because you feel like it's love. But I'm
going to a little step further, and I'm gonna clarify
that love is a.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Trauma bond usually is formed.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
So sometimes, you know, victims, they can form this and
it's a psychological trauma bond. So it ain't nothing that
you're just coming out and saying, please bond with me,
even though you kind of yearn it because you feel
like there's this connection and you need this person and
you almost can't live without this person. But it's because
of the psychological trauma that there's a bond that's formed.
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So the victim forms an intense emotional attachment to the abuser.
You got me, And it's because in this relationship, you know,
there's alternating.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Abuse and alternating kindness, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
So usually abuses they can be kind sometimes, which brings
about hope in the victim's mind, and then sometimes they
can be abusive. And then abusive is when a victim says, well,
I don't want to be here, I hate it here,
I don't like this person. But then all of a sudden,
when that person, the same abusa comes back in front
(08:10):
of the victim and goes, oh, give they give them
excuses like, oh, you know, that was a rough night,
or they'll gas light and say, oh, well you did this,
and so this is why you know I did this.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
So they gaslight them to tell them that whatever their
belief is that they're an abuser is not true, and
they create a new story for them to believe. They
deny the reality. That's gaslighting. But then they do that,
and so then the abuse and then they're kind to them.
So they may give them something nice, they may have sex,
(08:44):
they may stroke them, they may stroke their ego and
tell them that they're beautiful and they can't live without them.
So for an abuser, they go, oh okay, so they
start the second guess how they really feel, how they
feel internally about the abuse, and then they just bond.
They just cling on to the kindness, to the hope
(09:06):
of what the abuser is saying. And so you would
say to me, I'm just imagining, okay, Andrea, So how
is it that someone even finds themselves there? Like, why
is it that the first time that a woman or
a man, because this happens to men too, How is
it that when they are abused, you know, sexually or physically,
(09:27):
they don't just run the first time? Like what keeps
them there? Well, I'm gonna start off by telling you
it's family of origin trauma. So outside of the trauma
bond that can be formed that keeps them there, usually
at the root of it, the person, the victim who's there,
has experienced some kind of bond, trauma bond like this
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during childhood, So with one of their caretakers, either their mother,
their father, or whomever was the major nurturer. So maybe
it could be you know, an uncle or an aunt
or a grandmother, whoever that person was who took care
of them, who was supposed to be their nurturers. Well,
this behavior was similar to them, like, this behavior was familiar.
(10:15):
It was similar to the behavior that they actually experienced
as a child. Now it may not necessarily have looked
like sex, but it was traumatic and there was some
kind of abuse. Whether it could have been kissing out,
I mean, cussing them out, It could have been hard beatings,
you know, but there was some kind of abuse and
(10:37):
it went from So just hear me on this. The
victim probably experienced their caregiver either abusing them in some way,
but then on the other hand also being kind, right,
so being kind to them, you know, and sometimes feeding them.
(10:57):
Maybe you know, showing them acts of kindness with loving
them or maybe buying them clothes or whatever it is
that a nurture or parent would do. But then at
the on the other hand of it, cussing them out,
you know, treating them like nothing, dismissing them, you know,
maybe physically beating them, which is abuse, you understand. So
it was familiar to childhood, which is easy for someone
(11:19):
to stay in a relationship like this because they start
to rationalize and justify the abuser's behavior.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
They go back to thinking, well.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
During childhood, do you just leave somebody you love or
someone who loves you, Because if he's telling you I
love you, I don't want you to go anywhere there's
no one else like you, well that feels good and
for them psychologically it feels like love because during childhood
they would get beaten. But then on the other hand,
they would be fed or maybe get school clothes or
(11:51):
you know what I'm saying, maybe maybe get a hug,
Maybe not so much, you know what I'm saying, Maybe
I don't know, have nice days where they could just
even have a half of a conversation, which for them
they saw its kindness. So it's something that you learn
in childhood, and it starts with what I call is
my specialty.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
It's family of origin trauma.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
So if someone has been traumatized during their childhood, it's
really easy, really easy to stick like bellcrow to a
man or a woman who does the same thing, who
physically abuses you or sexually abuses you or verbally abuses
you on one hand, and then they go back and
(12:33):
forth between that and then sometimes they're kind okay. So
that's psychologically why people stay in those relationships. Another thing
that a person like Cassie could have been going through
in this relationship usually now I think she said that
she was diagnosed with PTSD post traumatic stress disorder. So
(12:58):
from these events that were traumatic for her, they caused
her stress and since she's living with them and didn't
get therapy at the time, so she could kind of,
you know, release that trauma. The trauma lives inside of
her body and it turned into a disorder. And what
that looks like is sometimes you could have these are
(13:19):
the symptoms of PTSD is you could have flashbacks from
the event. You know, you could have nightmares or night
tears from the event. You can sometimes have emotional numbness
or detachment when you're moving through the world, but you're
feeling like, you know, I can't really love anybody else,
I can't really connect to anybody else, you know, I'm
(13:41):
kind of shut off. As a defense mechanism, which happens
after PTSD sometimes, you know, when we experience PTSD, when
people experience that, you could go through depression and you
know that set feeling of when you have a lack
of motivation, this feel enough, hopelessness, of feeling enough, helplessness,
some sadness. You can experience anxiety, you know, where you
(14:02):
have these panic attacks where you just feel like you're
out of control and uncentered. And drug abuse and drug
use is another symptom of PTSD because when I'm feeling
all of these feelings that I don't like, I need
to numb myself. And what people do is some people
do is they numb themselves with alcohol, They numb themselves
(14:26):
with drugs. Okay, some people even numb themselves with food,
and that's how they gain a lot of weight. I
do believe allegedly, as Cassie did say while she was
on the stand, that she was diagnosed with PTSD, and
she also talked a lot about her drug use, her
drug abuse and going to treatment, going to a treatment
(14:47):
center to address her sex addiction and her drug addiction.
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So, sex addiction can be brought on as is a
symptom of PTSD. So for someone who has been sexually
abused during the time that they are sexually abused, and
this is not everyone who was sexually abused, Okay, but
I'm just gonna take from Cassie story. Let's just say
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we'll call this person Paula, a person like Cassie, okay,
because we allegedly Okay, So someone who was sexually abused
and all of a sudden they started to attach to
this other person or form psychologically a trial bond. Then
even when because you know, sometimes she would say that
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she she said that she didn't want to have these
freak offts. She didn't want to happen. She didn't want
to have them. So and I know that they had
started doing these freak offs. I believe it was a
long time, so I think it may have started maybe
in two thousand and seven, maybe before that, don't know,
but in my head, I'm thinking two thousand and seven,
and I think like all the way up to twenty
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and eighteen. So it was like a long period of time,
maybe over ten years. So in the beginning, right, this
is this man introduced her. This is Cassie's story. She
said that he introduced Allegedly, he introduced her to doing
these having these sexual escapades where he was a voyager
and he would watch her or he would she would
(18:48):
order the escorts and he would have her order the escorts.
And I think she started off by saying that when
she did, you know datum, and this is something that
he wanted to do. It was her first time ever
doing it, so he her to that, So now you're
exposed to this thing.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
And she really did like this man for whatever reason.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
So if you say to me, well, she liked him
because he was a music mogul, Okay. She liked him
because he was successful, Okay, she liked him because he
was rich, Okay, she was also an artist, and maybe
she thought he could give her opportunity and being close
to it, okay. And I'm saying, okay, because there's many
of you out there that if you had the opportunity
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to date a rich man who was a music mogul,
who you thought that could give you all this opportunity,
you would probably do it. So it's so easy to
judge from where you at, Okay, So I'm just saying, okay,
those could have been the reasons why she was attracted
to him, all right. And yeah, they did say that
she cheated on her boyfriend Bryan Leslie, who she was
with at the time, who was also in the industry
(19:51):
and he was in his business Diddy, Okay, all right.
So all of those things we could say right, wrong,
And that's not what I'm here to talk about. I'm
not here to judge anybody for being right or for
being wrong. That's not it I am. In regards to
Diddy or anybody else abusing a woman a.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Man, you are wrong for that.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
You are wrong for abusing a woman or a man. Okay,
and I saw the videotape, so that ain't allegedly. I
did see that. So there, I'm gonna say, you're wrong.
I'm gonna pass judgment. However, I'm not passing judgment on
her liking him, and then even and he was much
older than her at the time, but even Diddy liking.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Her because she's a young, beautiful woman.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Right, she's very pretty, a pretty girl, and she's talented. Okay,
So I'm not saying right or wrong on that. I'm
talking about the psychological implication. So my point is is
when he introduced her allegedly to this sexual world and
this was new for her, if she really was intrigued
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in this man and she wanted to be with this man,
what it sounds like is through this case, even if
you listen to the text messages, is although she may
not have wanted to do these acts, she was acting
as if she did, and she was doing them because
she wanted to spend time with him. She wanted to
(21:15):
spend time with him, and so she knew that. This
is my assumption from just listening to the alleged text messages,
that when she would reach out to him, and she'd
put in front of him, you know, do you want
to have a freak off? Because she knew she would
dangle it like a carrot, that all this would be
time because he was into that. Okay, he was into
the baby oil. Allegedly, he was into watching her have
(21:38):
sex with these men. Allegedly, he was into urinating in
her mouth, allegedly, you know, all the things, the souls
and he was he was into all of that ran allegedly.
So since he was into it, how do you bade
a man that you want to be with a man
who seems as if he's interested in you, You give
him what he wants. And that to me, that that
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is what I kind of received from this whole thing.
Because she was nineteen years old when she met Okay,
so now he introduced her to the world. So now
she's doing these things and she's trying to get and
the more and more she's starting to do them. You know,
when she was having these sexual acts, and this really
happens also with sex workers, is they can go to
a place while they're in the act where they detach
(22:21):
from their bodies. There's a disassociation that happens where they
can literally do the act and not even really psychologically
be present, like they don't even know when it's over.
It's kind of like being outside of their body. And
that is another traumatic response. Then this is another thing
that happens. So you can disassociate but yet and still
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do the act, and then after you finish with the act,
you feel like you've gotten whatever that reward is. So
if it's him wanting to stay with you, if it's
him wanting to say that he likes you more, or
if you're a sex worker, if it's somebody paying you money,
you've gotten a So now that's going to make you
keep wanting to do the behavior. Not only that, then
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you start to make this behavior a habit. It starts
to be your go to, just like drugs can start
to be your go to because now you can use
it to numb your reality.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
And so my belief is Cassie allegedly would.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Disassociate when she'd be having sex with him or these
all these other men could sound like the other men
didn't sound like she disassociated if she'd have sex with him,
because allegedly, in some of those text messages, she would.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Say, I just want to make love to you.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I just wanted to be me and you, And allegedly
he was like, nah, Surety, you gonna do the dude
that you that we I taught you to do, that
you've been doing, Like that's what I like, all that
you me, all that I ain't with all of that.
And she kept doing it, but I think that when
she would do it, she would disassociate, and then I
believe it became habitual, so it became a habit, and
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she would use it to numb out.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
So she would use it probably even you.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Know, if she was stressed or she had these thoughts,
she was anxious that she really wanted to be with him,
but let me just go on, just use my body
and disassociate. And this could turn into sex addiction to
where now you start just using sex to also numb out,
especially when you've done and you've been exposed to all
of these things like that you've never even thought of before.
(24:30):
But yet you know how people can do that and
keep doing it. It's because they disassociate. They are not
in their bodies, they are not present with reality. Okay,
So disassociation is another symptom of post traumatic stress disorder. Okay, y'all,
and let me tell you this. Let me say this
(24:51):
about the cycle of abuse. So the cycle of abuse,
it starts with the tension building, the tension like whatever
the thing is, you know, if there's an issue before,
if I want to spend time with you, or if
we go back and forth and we're yelling and screaming,
or if.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I'm saying this is something that I'm some kind of conflict.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
So there's some kind of tension that builds, and then
there's abuse that happens. And then after the abuse, there's
that reconciliation where the abuser apologizes and promises to change
and says that they'll never do it again, where they
create hope for the victim. And then guess what, it's
a cycle. It starts all over again. There's tension building,
(25:34):
and then there's abuse. Then there's reconciliation where they apologize,
they promise to never do it again, they give you
a little bit of affection and create this false sense
of hope, and you're right back in that cycle abuse again,
which is serious.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
This is serious, and we're.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Talking about Cassie and it's serious and it was serious
for Cassie. Thank god she got out of it, but
you may know somebody who also may be, you know,
engaged in this cycle of abuse.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Where there is help out there.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
And at the end of this video, I'm gonna put
up a number and I would want.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
You to call to get help. You can get out
of it.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
If you are being trafficked, sexually trafficked, if you are
engaging in this cycle of abuse, if you being abused
in any way, please call the number on the screen.
I will put it up and please because there is help.
Thank god, Cassie did get help. She got help, And
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I want y'all to remember that that Cassie It did
not come to trial because she wanted to, you know,
take him to court and do all these things like no, no, no,
no no.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
She was done with her trial.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
This was the prosecution who put Cassie up on the stand.
And everybody's acting like she's winning or losing a winning
Just listen to her story.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
This woman has been abused.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Hold your judgment sometimes, hold your judgment, especially for victims.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Don't victim shame.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Even if you might think she had sex too quick,
or you might think she's not the smartest, or you
may all these things. You may think, but the reality
is this even if she's all those things, or she
may not be.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Was she being abused?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Well, let's take care of the abused, or let's stop
the abuse and let's get people the help that they need.
And before I jump off, because I do want to
tell you that there is help for post traumatic stress
disorder in regards to abuse, okay, sexual abuse, in regards
to physical abuse. But I wanted to say this before
(27:49):
I tell you what it is, what the type of
therapy is that you would get for this that is helpful.
I just want to say I talk to my attorney
today and I said, I'm gonna have my attorney on
to the some of this stuff down. But I talked
to my attorney today and one thing that my attorney
asked me.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
With her smart she's so smart.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
She said to me, well, so in regards to the
whole trauma bond, and you know, Cassie's staying in this relationship,
you know, you know, why does she say?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
She said?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
And I was telling her about the trauma bond, like
you know, the whole thing, you know how it's a
psychological bond is actually formed and it goes back and forth. Right,
there's some attachment. It alters, you know, the alternates between
abuse and kindness, abusing kindness, and you get pulled in
and I told you that, Okay, But she said to me, well,
what's the difference. Is that the same as Stockholm syndrome?
(28:39):
And I said, no, the difference, And I'm gonna tell
y'all in case you're thinking, did Cassie have Stockholm syndrome?
Now allegedly because I don't know Cassie, But as I
am looking at the psychological implications here, no, I do
not believe she has Stockholm syndrome because Stockholm syndrome is
evident when someone has been kidnapped, when there's like a
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hostage situation, or someone has been held in extreme captivity. Okay,
So if they are like a hostage or a victim,
then the hostage or the victim, right, this is not
a love thing. They weren't in love, they weren't in
a relationship. This is literally they were absconded. They were
(29:25):
a victim. They were a hostage held somewhere against their will. Okay.
And when a hostage or a victim develops empathy or
affection or the sense of loyalty for the person who's
holding them, captive. It's also psychologically, but it's what happens
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and why is it that that happens psychologically, Well, a
lot of times what that is is a defense mechanism,
because you think about it, if someone held you against
their wills, someone where and you cannot get out, come on.
The brain is miraculous. So the brain works for us.
And what it does is when we're in these situations,
before it just kind of just goes out like berserk,
(30:13):
before the brain blows up, it goes into this little
thing called the defense mechanism. And the defense mechanism is
to reduce the amount of fear that the body is
going through so that it can sustain itself while that
person is being captive.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
So it's there.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
It reduces the fear and it increases this sense in
your head of that there's a chance of survival. Okay,
there's a chance of survival. So that's what Stockholm syndrome represents. Okay,
it's the way out for the brain so that it
can cope while it's caught in a situation that where
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they're trapped or held like a hostage.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
So that's very different than a trauma bond or being
in a cycle of abuse with someone who.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
You love, you know, who you care for, who you
want to be with so badly. That's totally different.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
That's not Stockholm syndrome, okay, because usually Stockholm syndrome is
with someone.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Who's holding you captive and you.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Don't want to be there. Two totally different things. But
that was a brilliant question. And I will also say this,
The healing and recovery can come by therapy. Goal to therapy,
so emd R therapy, cognitive behavioral therapy, and somatic therapy
(31:39):
are therapies that can work.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
And add to your healing journey.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
If you've ever been sexually abused or physically abused by
anyone in your life. Okay, family, I just wanted to
jump in and give you the psychological implay pats of
why a woman would say in a relationship with someone
who she claims is sexually abusing her and physically abusing
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her and sex trafficking her for.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Over ten years.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
There you go, family, Please try to understand humans instead
of just judging them and distarting them. But I will
say abusers need to pay for abusing others, and if
payment looks like being locked up, locked away, so they
don't do it to someone else and getting treatment. I
(32:33):
agree that people who are blocked away for creating crime
should be rehabilitated with some treatment and some therapy.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Don't just lock people away.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
To lock them away. No, you have to treat those
people too, because they are humans. They are our people. Okay,
all right, family, That is another episode of the Mental
Health Is a lifestyle podcast with your girl Andrea wise
Brown and family. I will see you next week on
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Speaker 2 (01:08):
With me on this. So this week, y'all, we are talking.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
About the hottest topic that's out right now, the P
Diddy trial in Cassie Ventura. Now, from my perspective, and
this is a psychological perspective, I feel like I have
a duty to educate everyone who wants to know on
(01:31):
why did Cassie stay? Why did she stay?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
That's what everyone wants to know.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
And this is the deal. People don't really want to
know people are out there judging her. So are you
one of the people out there who's judging Cassie Ventura
because she stay with this man who she says is abusive,
who she says made her have the section escapades with
(02:02):
escorts who she said she had sex for this man
with other men, and he recorded, I don't know what
I could say and what I can't say, but and
so you just want to know through the period, through
the sores in her mouth.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Through the beatings, you want to know why did she say?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
And are you one of those who actually listened or
read the text messages heard? Because we didn't actually read
the text messages, however, we were listening to different podcasts
like Lawn Crime. I like lawn Crime podcasts because I
feel like they have a representative who's there all the time,
and so they're telling us giving us play by play
(02:42):
accounts of what's going on. So we knew what the
text messages were the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Also, there's Laura l Rosa.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
She's been in the courtroom every day, so she's been
coming back giving us play by play about you know
what the different what is it messages are that they
have that had been going back and forth to play
by play while she's been in the courtroom. So we've
been hearing from her so many people, so many news outlets.
(03:11):
I think CNN, Uh, let me see a Laura Coats.
She's an attorney and she's on either MSNBC or CNN,
and she's been given accounts of what happened, you know,
in the courtroom. And let me just tell y'all, I
was in Jersey, New York City. I'm'a slash it this
past weekend. I was oh, I was actually there last
(03:32):
week and I, y'all, I was literally about to go
stand on that line so I could get up in
that courtroom.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
But I didn't do it. You want to know why?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Because I had to work. I had to work. But
if I did not have clients to see, I would
have been Andrea Wise to the Brown, would have been
in that courtroom, honey, because it was just it was
It was good and it was so juicy. And I'm
gonna tell you the true.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I love truth.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I love facts. So instead of me hearing about facts,
you know, from third party or second party, I want
to hear it, you know, from first account. I want
to be in there. I want to hear it for myself.
And that's probably why I love what I do as
a psychotherapist, because I help people process their trauma, their
(04:22):
pain through first account through them telling me their truths.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So I love to work with truths and facts.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
So AnyWho, this is probably I'm going to say the
how maybe this is a the I don't know, the
court room Shenanigans of the season.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
That's what I'm gonna say. And so everyone's.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Talking about it, but I'm here to really let you
know about the psychological implications of a woman who's been
physical abused and who's been sexually abused, and from what
she claims allegedly she's been almost well did she She
(05:14):
kind of positioned herself allegedly to be a sex slave.
She said she was made to have these sexual acts
or to do these sexual acts for p Diddy, So
she was sex trafficked. But I don't think you can
be sex trafficked if you weren't transported across state lines.
(05:38):
So I'm not sure if she would be the one
who's supposed to be the victim of the sex trafficking. However,
I do know that she's also wrapped up in the
Rico came, it's a whole thing. But what I know
for sure is is she said the demand abused her
sexually and physically, and you want to know why she stayed,
I'm gonna tell you this psycho line co implications of
(06:02):
why people who are abused sexually and physically why they
stay in relationships. So let me just start off by saying,
and I have not spoken to Cassie, However I think
she did say I understand allegedly that she would see
in the therapist now, which is also something that I
(06:22):
want to point out where she probably gained some clarity. Okay,
so let me just start off by saying this, Usually,
when you are in a relationship with someone and they
are physically abusive to you, but you feel like you
love them, like you are in this toxic relationship, because
when you are being physically abused and sexually abused, it
(06:43):
is a toxic relationship. And so when you're engaging in
this relationship, you don't engage in a relationship and stay
with someone who you do not like, you know who
you like a little bit. You stay because there's a
poll there, because you feel like it's love. But I'm
going to a little step further, and I'm gonna clarify
that love is a.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Trauma bond usually is formed.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
So sometimes, you know, victims, they can form this and
it's a psychological trauma bond. So it ain't nothing that
you're just coming out and saying, please bond with me,
even though you kind of yearn it because you feel
like there's this connection and you need this person and
you almost can't live without this person. But it's because
of the psychological trauma that there's a bond that's formed.
(07:30):
So the victim forms an intense emotional attachment to the abuser.
You got me, And it's because in this relationship, you know,
there's alternating.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Abuse and alternating kindness, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
So usually abuses they can be kind sometimes, which brings
about hope in the victim's mind, and then sometimes they
can be abusive. And then abusive is when a victim says, well,
I don't want to be here, I hate it here,
I don't like this person. But then all of a sudden,
when that person, the same abusa comes back in front
(08:10):
of the victim and goes, oh, give they give them
excuses like, oh, you know, that was a rough night,
or they'll gas light and say, oh, well you did this,
and so this is why you know I did this.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
So they gaslight them to tell them that whatever their
belief is that they're an abuser is not true, and
they create a new story for them to believe. They
deny the reality. That's gaslighting. But then they do that,
and so then the abuse and then they're kind to them.
So they may give them something nice, they may have sex,
(08:44):
they may stroke them, they may stroke their ego and
tell them that they're beautiful and they can't live without them.
So for an abuser, they go, oh okay, so they
start the second guess how they really feel, how they
feel internally about the abuse, and then they just bond.
They just cling on to the kindness, to the hope
(09:06):
of what the abuser is saying. And so you would
say to me, I'm just imagining, okay, Andrea, So how
is it that someone even finds themselves there? Like, why
is it that the first time that a woman or
a man, because this happens to men too, How is
it that when they are abused, you know, sexually or physically,
(09:27):
they don't just run the first time? Like what keeps
them there? Well, I'm gonna start off by telling you
it's family of origin trauma. So outside of the trauma
bond that can be formed that keeps them there, usually
at the root of it, the person, the victim who's there,
has experienced some kind of bond, trauma bond like this
(09:50):
during childhood, So with one of their caretakers, either their mother,
their father, or whomever was the major nurturer. So maybe
it could be you know, an uncle or an aunt
or a grandmother, whoever that person was who took care
of them, who was supposed to be their nurturers. Well,
this behavior was similar to them, like, this behavior was familiar.
(10:15):
It was similar to the behavior that they actually experienced
as a child. Now it may not necessarily have looked
like sex, but it was traumatic and there was some
kind of abuse. Whether it could have been kissing out,
I mean, cussing them out, It could have been hard beatings,
you know, but there was some kind of abuse and
(10:37):
it went from So just hear me on this. The
victim probably experienced their caregiver either abusing them in some way,
but then on the other hand also being kind, right,
so being kind to them, you know, and sometimes feeding them.
(10:57):
Maybe you know, showing them acts of kindness with loving
them or maybe buying them clothes or whatever it is
that a nurture or parent would do. But then at
the on the other hand of it, cussing them out,
you know, treating them like nothing, dismissing them, you know,
maybe physically beating them, which is abuse, you understand. So
it was familiar to childhood, which is easy for someone
(11:19):
to stay in a relationship like this because they start
to rationalize and justify the abuser's behavior.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
They go back to thinking, well.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
During childhood, do you just leave somebody you love or
someone who loves you, Because if he's telling you I
love you, I don't want you to go anywhere there's
no one else like you, well that feels good and
for them psychologically it feels like love because during childhood
they would get beaten. But then on the other hand,
they would be fed or maybe get school clothes or
(11:51):
you know what I'm saying, maybe maybe get a hug,
Maybe not so much, you know what I'm saying, Maybe
I don't know, have nice days where they could just
even have a half of a conversation, which for them
they saw its kindness. So it's something that you learn
in childhood, and it starts with what I call is
my specialty.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
It's family of origin trauma.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
So if someone has been traumatized during their childhood, it's
really easy, really easy to stick like bellcrow to a
man or a woman who does the same thing, who
physically abuses you or sexually abuses you or verbally abuses
you on one hand, and then they go back and
(12:33):
forth between that and then sometimes they're kind okay. So
that's psychologically why people stay in those relationships. Another thing
that a person like Cassie could have been going through
in this relationship usually now I think she said that
she was diagnosed with PTSD post traumatic stress disorder. So
(12:58):
from these events that were traumatic for her, they caused
her stress and since she's living with them and didn't
get therapy at the time, so she could kind of,
you know, release that trauma. The trauma lives inside of
her body and it turned into a disorder. And what
that looks like is sometimes you could have these are
(13:19):
the symptoms of PTSD is you could have flashbacks from
the event. You know, you could have nightmares or night
tears from the event. You can sometimes have emotional numbness
or detachment when you're moving through the world, but you're
feeling like, you know, I can't really love anybody else,
I can't really connect to anybody else, you know, I'm
(13:41):
kind of shut off. As a defense mechanism, which happens
after PTSD sometimes, you know, when we experience PTSD, when
people experience that, you could go through depression and you
know that set feeling of when you have a lack
of motivation, this feel enough, hopelessness, of feeling enough, helplessness,
some sadness. You can experience anxiety, you know, where you
(14:02):
have these panic attacks where you just feel like you're
out of control and uncentered. And drug abuse and drug
use is another symptom of PTSD because when I'm feeling
all of these feelings that I don't like, I need
to numb myself. And what people do is some people
do is they numb themselves with alcohol, They numb themselves
(14:26):
with drugs. Okay, some people even numb themselves with food,
and that's how they gain a lot of weight. I
do believe allegedly, as Cassie did say while she was
on the stand, that she was diagnosed with PTSD, and
she also talked a lot about her drug use, her
drug abuse and going to treatment, going to a treatment
(14:47):
center to address her sex addiction and her drug addiction.
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So, sex addiction can be brought on as is a
symptom of PTSD. So for someone who has been sexually
abused during the time that they are sexually abused, and
this is not everyone who was sexually abused, Okay, but
I'm just gonna take from Cassie story. Let's just say
(17:44):
we'll call this person Paula, a person like Cassie, okay,
because we allegedly Okay, So someone who was sexually abused
and all of a sudden they started to attach to
this other person or form psychologically a trial bond. Then
even when because you know, sometimes she would say that
(18:05):
she she said that she didn't want to have these
freak offts. She didn't want to happen. She didn't want
to have them. So and I know that they had
started doing these freak offs. I believe it was a
long time, so I think it may have started maybe
in two thousand and seven, maybe before that, don't know,
but in my head, I'm thinking two thousand and seven,
and I think like all the way up to twenty
(18:25):
and eighteen. So it was like a long period of time,
maybe over ten years. So in the beginning, right, this
is this man introduced her. This is Cassie's story. She
said that he introduced Allegedly, he introduced her to doing
these having these sexual escapades where he was a voyager
and he would watch her or he would she would
(18:48):
order the escorts and he would have her order the escorts.
And I think she started off by saying that when
she did, you know datum, and this is something that
he wanted to do. It was her first time ever
doing it, so he her to that, So now you're
exposed to this thing.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
And she really did like this man for whatever reason.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
So if you say to me, well, she liked him
because he was a music mogul, Okay. She liked him
because he was successful, Okay, she liked him because he
was rich, Okay, she was also an artist, and maybe
she thought he could give her opportunity and being close
to it, okay. And I'm saying, okay, because there's many
of you out there that if you had the opportunity
(19:30):
to date a rich man who was a music mogul,
who you thought that could give you all this opportunity,
you would probably do it. So it's so easy to
judge from where you at, Okay, So I'm just saying, okay,
those could have been the reasons why she was attracted
to him, all right. And yeah, they did say that
she cheated on her boyfriend Bryan Leslie, who she was
with at the time, who was also in the industry
(19:51):
and he was in his business Diddy, Okay, all right.
So all of those things we could say right, wrong,
And that's not what I'm here to talk about. I'm
not here to judge anybody for being right or for
being wrong. That's not it I am. In regards to
Diddy or anybody else abusing a woman a.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Man, you are wrong for that.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
You are wrong for abusing a woman or a man. Okay,
and I saw the videotape, so that ain't allegedly. I
did see that. So there, I'm gonna say, you're wrong.
I'm gonna pass judgment. However, I'm not passing judgment on
her liking him, and then even and he was much
older than her at the time, but even Diddy liking.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Her because she's a young, beautiful woman.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Right, she's very pretty, a pretty girl, and she's talented. Okay,
So I'm not saying right or wrong on that. I'm
talking about the psychological implication. So my point is is
when he introduced her allegedly to this sexual world and
this was new for her, if she really was intrigued
(20:54):
in this man and she wanted to be with this man,
what it sounds like is through this case, even if
you listen to the text messages, is although she may
not have wanted to do these acts, she was acting
as if she did, and she was doing them because
she wanted to spend time with him. She wanted to
(21:15):
spend time with him, and so she knew that. This
is my assumption from just listening to the alleged text messages,
that when she would reach out to him, and she'd
put in front of him, you know, do you want
to have a freak off? Because she knew she would
dangle it like a carrot, that all this would be
time because he was into that. Okay, he was into
the baby oil. Allegedly, he was into watching her have
(21:38):
sex with these men. Allegedly, he was into urinating in
her mouth, allegedly, you know, all the things, the souls
and he was he was into all of that ran allegedly.
So since he was into it, how do you bade
a man that you want to be with a man
who seems as if he's interested in you, You give
him what he wants. And that to me, that that
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is what I kind of received from this whole thing.
Because she was nineteen years old when she met Okay,
so now he introduced her to the world. So now
she's doing these things and she's trying to get and
the more and more she's starting to do them. You know,
when she was having these sexual acts, and this really
happens also with sex workers, is they can go to
a place while they're in the act where they detach
(22:21):
from their bodies. There's a disassociation that happens where they
can literally do the act and not even really psychologically
be present, like they don't even know when it's over.
It's kind of like being outside of their body. And
that is another traumatic response. Then this is another thing
that happens. So you can disassociate but yet and still
(22:45):
do the act, and then after you finish with the act,
you feel like you've gotten whatever that reward is. So
if it's him wanting to stay with you, if it's
him wanting to say that he likes you more, or
if you're a sex worker, if it's somebody paying you money,
you've gotten a So now that's going to make you
keep wanting to do the behavior. Not only that, then
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you start to make this behavior a habit. It starts
to be your go to, just like drugs can start
to be your go to because now you can use
it to numb your reality.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
And so my belief is Cassie allegedly would.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Disassociate when she'd be having sex with him or these
all these other men could sound like the other men
didn't sound like she disassociated if she'd have sex with him,
because allegedly, in some of those text messages, she would.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Say, I just want to make love to you.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I just wanted to be me and you, And allegedly
he was like, nah, Surety, you gonna do the dude
that you that we I taught you to do, that
you've been doing, Like that's what I like, all that
you me, all that I ain't with all of that.
And she kept doing it, but I think that when
she would do it, she would disassociate, and then I
believe it became habitual, so it became a habit, and
(24:02):
she would use it to numb out.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
So she would use it probably even you.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Know, if she was stressed or she had these thoughts,
she was anxious that she really wanted to be with him,
but let me just go on, just use my body
and disassociate. And this could turn into sex addiction to
where now you start just using sex to also numb out,
especially when you've done and you've been exposed to all
of these things like that you've never even thought of before.
(24:30):
But yet you know how people can do that and
keep doing it. It's because they disassociate. They are not
in their bodies, they are not present with reality. Okay,
So disassociation is another symptom of post traumatic stress disorder. Okay, y'all,
and let me tell you this. Let me say this
(24:51):
about the cycle of abuse. So the cycle of abuse,
it starts with the tension building, the tension like whatever
the thing is, you know, if there's an issue before,
if I want to spend time with you, or if
we go back and forth and we're yelling and screaming,
or if.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I'm saying this is something that I'm some kind of conflict.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
So there's some kind of tension that builds, and then
there's abuse that happens. And then after the abuse, there's
that reconciliation where the abuser apologizes and promises to change
and says that they'll never do it again, where they
create hope for the victim. And then guess what, it's
a cycle. It starts all over again. There's tension building,
(25:34):
and then there's abuse. Then there's reconciliation where they apologize,
they promise to never do it again, they give you
a little bit of affection and create this false sense
of hope, and you're right back in that cycle abuse again,
which is serious.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
This is serious, and we're.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Talking about Cassie and it's serious and it was serious
for Cassie. Thank god she got out of it, but
you may know somebody who also may be, you know,
engaged in this cycle of abuse.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Where there is help out there.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
And at the end of this video, I'm gonna put
up a number and I would want.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
You to call to get help. You can get out
of it.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
If you are being trafficked, sexually trafficked, if you are
engaging in this cycle of abuse, if you being abused
in any way, please call the number on the screen.
I will put it up and please because there is help.
Thank god, Cassie did get help. She got help, And
(26:36):
I want y'all to remember that that Cassie It did
not come to trial because she wanted to, you know,
take him to court and do all these things like no, no, no,
no no.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
She was done with her trial.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
This was the prosecution who put Cassie up on the stand.
And everybody's acting like she's winning or losing a winning
Just listen to her story.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
This woman has been abused.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Hold your judgment sometimes, hold your judgment, especially for victims.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Don't victim shame.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Even if you might think she had sex too quick,
or you might think she's not the smartest, or you
may all these things. You may think, but the reality
is this even if she's all those things, or she
may not be.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Was she being abused?
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Well, let's take care of the abused, or let's stop
the abuse and let's get people the help that they need.
And before I jump off, because I do want to
tell you that there is help for post traumatic stress
disorder in regards to abuse, okay, sexual abuse, in regards
to physical abuse. But I wanted to say this before
(27:49):
I tell you what it is, what the type of
therapy is that you would get for this that is helpful.
I just want to say I talk to my attorney
today and I said, I'm gonna have my attorney on
to the some of this stuff down. But I talked
to my attorney today and one thing that my attorney
asked me.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
With her smart she's so smart.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
She said to me, well, so in regards to the
whole trauma bond, and you know, Cassie's staying in this relationship,
you know, you know, why does she say?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
She said?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
And I was telling her about the trauma bond, like
you know, the whole thing, you know how it's a
psychological bond is actually formed and it goes back and forth. Right,
there's some attachment. It alters, you know, the alternates between
abuse and kindness, abusing kindness, and you get pulled in
and I told you that, Okay, But she said to me, well,
what's the difference. Is that the same as Stockholm syndrome?
(28:39):
And I said, no, the difference, And I'm gonna tell
y'all in case you're thinking, did Cassie have Stockholm syndrome?
Now allegedly because I don't know Cassie, But as I
am looking at the psychological implications here, no, I do
not believe she has Stockholm syndrome because Stockholm syndrome is
evident when someone has been kidnapped, when there's like a
(29:05):
hostage situation, or someone has been held in extreme captivity. Okay,
So if they are like a hostage or a victim,
then the hostage or the victim, right, this is not
a love thing. They weren't in love, they weren't in
a relationship. This is literally they were absconded. They were
(29:25):
a victim. They were a hostage held somewhere against their will. Okay.
And when a hostage or a victim develops empathy or
affection or the sense of loyalty for the person who's
holding them, captive. It's also psychologically, but it's what happens
(29:50):
and why is it that that happens psychologically, Well, a
lot of times what that is is a defense mechanism,
because you think about it, if someone held you against
their wills, someone where and you cannot get out, come on.
The brain is miraculous. So the brain works for us.
And what it does is when we're in these situations,
before it just kind of just goes out like berserk,
(30:13):
before the brain blows up, it goes into this little
thing called the defense mechanism. And the defense mechanism is
to reduce the amount of fear that the body is
going through so that it can sustain itself while that
person is being captive.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
So it's there.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
It reduces the fear and it increases this sense in
your head of that there's a chance of survival. Okay,
there's a chance of survival. So that's what Stockholm syndrome represents. Okay,
it's the way out for the brain so that it
can cope while it's caught in a situation that where
(30:54):
they're trapped or held like a hostage.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
So that's very different than a trauma bond or being
in a cycle of abuse with someone who.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
You love, you know, who you care for, who you
want to be with so badly. That's totally different.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
That's not Stockholm syndrome, okay, because usually Stockholm syndrome is
with someone.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Who's holding you captive and you.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Don't want to be there. Two totally different things. But
that was a brilliant question. And I will also say this,
The healing and recovery can come by therapy. Goal to therapy,
so emd R therapy, cognitive behavioral therapy, and somatic therapy
(31:39):
are therapies that can work.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
And add to your healing journey.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
If you've ever been sexually abused or physically abused by
anyone in your life. Okay, family, I just wanted to
jump in and give you the psychological implay pats of
why a woman would say in a relationship with someone
who she claims is sexually abusing her and physically abusing
(32:09):
her and sex trafficking her for.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Over ten years.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
There you go, family, Please try to understand humans instead
of just judging them and distarting them. But I will
say abusers need to pay for abusing others, and if
payment looks like being locked up, locked away, so they
don't do it to someone else and getting treatment. I
(32:33):
agree that people who are blocked away for creating crime
should be rehabilitated with some treatment and some therapy.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Don't just lock people away.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
To lock them away. No, you have to treat those
people too, because they are humans. They are our people. Okay,
all right, family, That is another episode of the Mental
Health Is a lifestyle podcast with your girl Andrea wise
Brown and family. I will see you next week on
(33:08):
the next episode. I love you as always.
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