In this 43-minute episode, I sit down with Gabrielle, an intuitive astrologer, and Nichole, a licensed marriage and family therapist and co-hosts of the Spiritual Sisters podcast, to explore the powerful integration of psychology and spirituality for healing and self-awareness.
We discuss how these two modalities complement each other; psychology providing groundedness and tools to navigate mental health, and spirituality offering expansive guidance and connection to something greater.Gabby and Nichole share their personal journeys through spiritual awakening, astrology, and therapy, unpacking complex themes like soul contracts, birth charts, free will versus fate, parallel timelines, and quantum leaping.
We also dive into how astrology and human design serve as tools for self-inquiry, intuition, and personal growth, while examining the subtle distinctions between intuition and protective trauma responses.
Along the way, they reveal how their podcast has deepened their sisterly bond, how family dynamics can reflect soul agreements, and the profound healing that unfolds across generations. Nicole offers valuable therapeutic insight into tuning in to calm intuition versus anxiety and how small daily decisions can strengthen our intuitive muscle.
If you’re curious about the intersections of astrology, psychology, spirituality, and how to cultivate trust in your inner knowing, this episode is a rich and thought-provoking guide.
To connect with Gabby and Nicole and explore their wisdom further, visit their instagram page
+ click here to listen to their podcast
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We discuss how these two modalities complement each other; psychology providing groundedness and tools to navigate mental health, and spirituality offering expansive guidance and connection to something greater.Gabby and Nichole share their personal journeys through spiritual awakening, astrology, and therapy, unpacking complex themes like soul contracts, birth charts, free will versus fate, parallel timelines, and quantum leaping.
We also dive into how astrology and human design serve as tools for self-inquiry, intuition, and personal growth, while examining the subtle distinctions between intuition and protective trauma responses.
Along the way, they reveal how their podcast has deepened their sisterly bond, how family dynamics can reflect soul agreements, and the profound healing that unfolds across generations. Nicole offers valuable therapeutic insight into tuning in to calm intuition versus anxiety and how small daily decisions can strengthen our intuitive muscle.
If you’re curious about the intersections of astrology, psychology, spirituality, and how to cultivate trust in your inner knowing, this episode is a rich and thought-provoking guide.
To connect with Gabby and Nicole and explore their wisdom further, visit their instagram page
+ click here to listen to their podcast
♾ In a fast-paced world like the one we live in, time is one of our most important assets. For a few minutes every episode, I, Tannaz Hosseinpour, will be discussing topics that aim to enhance the quality of your life, by helping you feel empowered to take inspired action on your personal growth journey.
Connect with me for daily insights on
TikTok
To sign up to the upcoming Tuscany retreat from August 18-23, click here
More resources available on www.minutesongrowth.com
This podcast is for educational purposes only. The host claims no responsibility to any person or entity for any liability, loss, or damage caused or alleged to be caused directly or indirectly as a result of the use, application, or interpretation of the information presented herein.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Poor Hi Soul friends, It's Tanasa the same point. Welcome
back to another episode of the Minutes on Growth podcast. Today,
(00:27):
we have two special guests with us. For those of
you who have been listening to the podcast. You know
that I love the integration of psychology and spirituality and
when I saw that their podcast is literally that, I
was like, oh my god, we need to have them
on the podcast, The Spiritual Sisters. They have the Spiritual
(00:48):
Sisters podcast. Gabby, who is an intuitive astrologer, and Nicole,
a licensed marriage and family therapist. Welcome both of you.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Thank you for having Get A two for one.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yes, I love it because I have this conversation often
with my mom and we talk about which one is
which medium is more powerful for healing. Is its spirituality
and is it psychology, And we've come to this conclusion
that it's the integration of both. For us, psychology without
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spirituality doesn't give us the faith element, the trust in
something bigger than us, and the sense of I'm supported
by the universe and spirituality without psychology for us feels like, okay,
we don't have the tools to navigate the self awareness.
(01:44):
So I love that you both are here. In your opinion,
how do they overlap?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
They ohnicle you go first.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I have a lot of thoughts on this, Okay, So
for me, I think they overlap up. It's almost like
psychology helped to keep me grounded in reality when I
was starting my spiritual journey, and I think without that,
I think a lot of people and Gabby can probably
attest to this and speak to it, like when you're
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going through it, you just feel like you're going crazy
and like you're losing your mind and you're hearing things
and you're seeing things and just these weird things are happening.
But I felt like psychology was like kind of what
kept me rooted and Okay, what is what is a
spiritual experience versus like what might be a little bit
of like delusion popping in right, So so with my
(02:38):
therapist hat, I was always trying to stay very balanced
and Okay, I know that this is real, but I
also know that this is real, and I think that
that is sometimes what's missing and either sometimes people think
that they are going crazy, or sometimes people might be
(02:59):
really experiencing something that needs like medical attention by like
a licensed healthcare provider, but they don't see that because
they're so into the other parts of it. So for me,
it's like a balance, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
So on the one like this energy of groundedness comes
from psychology, and then the expansiveness comes from.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Sirtuality, Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
And for me at least, or I can't speak to
everybody else's experience, but for me, because they did have
so much like background and experience with that, that was
what really helped for me. And even when I'm working
with people now in a coaching capacity or even in
a therapeutic capacity, just really trying to honor what is
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their spiritual experience and also taking a look at okay,
and let's make sure that we don't have this other
stuff going on just to be safe, so that way
they can really dive into the spiritual piece and feel
very comfortable and confident knowing that okay, like I am okay,
I don't need to be diagnosed with anything, like I'm
all good. I'm just having my spiritual awakening. I'm experiencing
(04:09):
my you know, my my spirituality, and you know, I'm
a human here having a spiritual experience.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I think I love that.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Gabby, what's your experience?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
So thank you for asking.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Yeah, so I've spoken to this a couple of times
on the podcast, especially in the earlier episodes. So I
went through this whole thing called the oud in Return,
and I feel like I was now looking back, I
was like, was the first one in the family to
really go through the spiritual awakening. And I think the OG,
much like your mom is the OG. I think that
was our dad, and he had always really kept this
stuff to himself, and I don't think he really spoke
(04:44):
to it until I kind of came out after my
Sadden return and during my soddern return, which is that
like time from ages twenty eight to thirty where you
just kind of initiated into astrologically speaking, into adulthood. And
I was like, something's happening. I don't know what it
is is, none of this makes sense, and it really
kind of ushered me into the spiritual awakening. And I
(05:06):
was going through it and Nicole was like, you know,
you should consider therapy, and I went to therapy, and
so I'm a sacral generator and everything in my body rejected.
What not to say that those practices weren't valid, because
I totally think that they are. It's just not what
I needed or was seeking at the time, and I
knew my body was like, this is not it. This
is something bigger than what can be explained. And and
(05:30):
I would love to hear Nicholes take on this too,
because I think she's kind of like, oh, yeah, I
can kind of see you, but I don't want to
speak for her. But I found my safe myself being
able to manipulate my therapist, which is like shadows side
of a cancer, which were both cancers are actually born
on the same day and we just celebrated our birthday.
But at time of recording, and I just was kind
of like, yeah, this isn't it. Like I'm seeking something deeper,
(05:51):
something a little bit more evolved, and I recognized that
that was my spiritual awakening. However, I do think the
way that Nicole explained it with respect to the therapy
side being able to ground oneself, I think that's so
valid and that's such a great way to explain it.
But for me, I was looking to not be grounded
at that time. And that's what I needed for my
specific journey and that's how astrology supported me.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Oo. I love that because what you're kind of weaving
us into this topic of astrology can be used not
only is a tool for like you know, predicting the future,
but also as a tool for self inquiry and self awareness.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Absolutely, And yesterday it was interesting. I was this is
not good for the subconscious mind. But my dirty, like
little secret, I guess, or way that I like kind
of just like to indulge myself is I'll scroll through
the tickty Talk right before I go to bed, and
it's like.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
The worst time to do it, the worst thing to do.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
It's the worst thing and I know it, I know it,
but I can't get enough of it.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Right.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
And I was listening to this his name's Darryl. The
last name starts with the NA, and he's this man
he's been traveling channeling his et friend Bashar for close
to forty years, and he was talking about his contracts
and I was like, oh yeah, just kind of clicked.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Like I had.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Always explained that astrology was your roadmap for your incarnation
in this lifetime, but really what your astrological birth chart is.
It's your sole contract, like, this is what you agreed
to do, what you signed up for. So for me,
I really found that astrology that was the first tool,
the modality that really helped me understand wtf was going
on for me at the time when I really felt
(07:30):
like I was losing my mind, But like I knew,
I wasn't losing my mind, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Okay, So this contract that you're talking about, can you
like open it up for people who might not have
heard this term before? And you know, what is a
birth chart and how can a birth chart highlight patterns?
Can it?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (07:53):
And I think that's actually a really good way to
blend in the area of work that Nicolas too, to
set the foundation and the context for it. So your
birth chart is based on the exact time, date, and
place of birth, and that's how you can cast your
chart and it's specific to you based on that information
and what it's.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Going to give you.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
It's going to give you literally all types of characteristics, references,
skill sets that you essentially incarnated into in this lifetime
I can even speak to I'm thinking about specifically. It's
called the twelfth house in a chart, it can speak
to maybe your relationship to the divine, to the psychic realm,
to divination, to mental health.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
It's the mental health house.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
And it's almost kind of like depending on where those
planets fall inside that chart, that's kind of what you agree.
That's you contracted to work with those energies, to understand
those energies better, to move through those energies so as
your soul could evolve in.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
This incarnation in this lifetime.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
And yeah, that's kind of that's the contract, if you will,
that you signed based off of what you incarnated with
and the birth threat that you have.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I love that, Nicole. Where do you stand with birth
charts and you know, using astrology as a tool for
self awareness?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
So when Gabby first started working with birth charts, I
was one of the guinea pigs and it was so
fun and it was so it.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Was so good. It was really accurate.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I still don't quite understand a lot of the terminology
when people are like, what is Today's like a Jupiter
Cazimi something and I don't know what that means.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
There's so a lot of things I don't understand, but.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I think it was really accurate and I think it
really speaks to yeah, to just it made a lot
of sense. It almost we haven't really talked about it,
but human design I almost feel like the two together
are really helpful. Because I also felt like human design
wasn't necessarily like telling me anything that I didn't already know.
(09:52):
It was kind of like confirming. And it's said sometimes
to be like the permission slip for whatever it is
that you might be experiencing. That's tof So for some people,
you know, maybe they don't work very well in the
traditional nine to five sleep from ten am to six am, right,
maybe they're someone that is, you know what, I'm most
productive at three in the morning and I need to
(10:12):
sleep during the middle of the day. And we might
look at them like, well, that's not how things work, right,
But human design is going to say, but based on
your birth date, location, time and all that, this is
how it works for you. So I almost feel like
the two of them together are really really helpful. I
did find the birth chart to give me a lot
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of information and a lot of insight into things that
had happened. So like, for example, my Saturn return, I
had already passed it by the time I had my
birth chart reading, but it made a lot of sense,
like oh, that's what was happening during that time, and
then also for it to kind of pick up other things.
But let me let me pause there, because I actually
(10:55):
don't even know if it's the birth chart that's picking
it up or if it's my sister, because as you said,
she's an intuitive astrologer, So I don't know how much
of it is written in the stars and how much
of it was, you know, and she read it from
my chart versus how much of it she picked up intuitively.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Or knew you know, or just newly.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, yeah, but no, but things about that hadn't happened yet, right,
like m possible deaths and you know, just things that
hadn't happened or that we wouldn't know would happened.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
So here's my question. I completely on board with both
of you. I've had my chart read multiple times through
different like I've had like Vadic chart readings, I've had
like Western chart readings, all anything that exists, and I've
had it read, and the central theme and all of
them has been that my part of my soul contract
(11:46):
is detachment, learning and mastering the art of detachment and
the wildest like like stories and life quakes have happened
in my life that you know, if I wrote a
book about it, people would think this is fiction, like
it only happens in the movies all on detachment. But
here's my question, and I'm voicing, I think the question
(12:07):
of many skeptics is that part of my contract? Or
is it a self fulfilling prophecy? What are your thoughts
on that?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Uh, you know, I don't know if I have thoughts
on it, only because I personally even struggle with the
whole concept of fate versus free will and how much
of that. I mean, if you really think about it,
it can just kind of send you down a rabbit
hole and you can just keep looking.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
You're just like what is true? What is not true?
Speaker 5 (12:36):
So I do believe that what is meant for you
it can't miss you. But I feel like there's probably
a little bit of both involved, Like how could.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
There not be?
Speaker 3 (12:47):
You know, Yeah, I would agree. I would say it's
probably a combination of thoughts. Quoth Yeah, I think it's
a combination of both, for sure.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
I think.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
So there has been talk about you know, you come
into the world with you know, these contracts and these
agreements and okay, well does it mean then that I
have to like that this is kind of just set
for me, or can I choose to change this? So
I think that's the hard part is I think sometimes
(13:22):
people say, you know what, I maybe came in to
do this.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
But I want to do something.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I want to do something different, and how can I
change app So I think that's where the free will
comes in, Like maybe you were destined to do something,
but along the way you're like, you know what, I Nope,
I don't want to do that. My free wills tell
me that I want to do something bigger and greater.
And I think that that's Yeah. I think there's like
a little bit of both. I think there's a fine
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line there. Excuse me, I think there's a fine line.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, it makes sense speacause for example, my mom, she's
had her chart read, and none of her charts was
their divorce, but she did get stuck from my dad,
and always the astrologers are telling her like that was
your free will to change the blueprint and to shift
into And here I want to introduce a new topic,
(14:12):
parallel timelines. What are your thoughts on that because sometimes
I noticed that too, of like, you know, I think
the first time I read about destiny and fate was
Paula Coello's book The Alchemist and how he said, mactube
like it's written and then I was like, okay, but
then what about my free will? And then I started
to get curious with it and research it more, and
(14:35):
you know, I started to learn, Oh, there's like multi
time is an illusion. Multiple versions of our life is
happening at the same time, and when we make certain decisions,
we're jumping timeline. So that's my perspective. But I'm curious
about your take on it.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Can I start, nick Are you good at that?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I need?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I need Nicoles it in foot too.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
But this has been quite literally the most recent experience,
so I just want to say, Nicole, you and I
need a little phone chat after this because so I
also want to share it that our podcast actually started
as a result of us literally having hour long conversations
and Nicole came up with the ideas, so I'm like, yeah,
we got to get back to that. But anyways, I
think timelines is actually something that's like really fresh of
(15:13):
mind because I've never seen timelines shift as quickly as
they have and seen as many of my clients experience
multiple predicted timelines in one year, and I feel like
that's been twenty twenty five. And I was just telling Nicole,
I was like, yeah, like you know, this was supposed
to happen. And I read for myself at the beginning
of the year and I saw a really cool opportunity
(15:35):
come forth in June, And like you know, I usually
go month by month in my predictive readings, and that's
more from an intuitive perspective than it is from the
astrological component. And all this to say, I'm just like, wow,
you can really be living out like multiple timelines at once.
And I think it also just depends, I guess maybe
a little bit on and this. I'm just coming to
(15:55):
this conclusion in the last couple of days, how maybe
expanded you might be in terms of your consciousness. But
I also think it's maybe if you're, say, looking for
a partner, you're ready to meet a partner depends on
where they're on their journey and their free will if
that's something that's say, was predicted in one timeline.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
So I think it's kind of convoluted. I convoluted.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
I think you can be living out multiple timelines at once.
I think there is such a thing as being on
just one timeline as well, but I think multiple realities
existing at the same time as such a thing.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I think that it is too complex for me to
still wrap my head around. There was a show years ago.
It was called Castle Rock. I don't know if you
ever heard of it or saw it, Okay, So it
was basically based off of a Stephen King, either a
novel or just his work in general, might have been
a novel. And that was where I first kind of
(16:53):
came across the idea of parallel timelines and parallel universes
and things like that, and it just it like blew
my mind in a way that I'm like, I can't
wrap my head around this. This is so confusing. And
there is so much talk though about parallel timeline and
universes and multiverse and all of those things, and I'm like,
(17:15):
I understand it sort of but not really. Like it
kind of reminds me.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Also like the butterfly effect. Right, So there's so.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Many different timelines that we could be living on if
I chose to go left instead of going right. Now,
I'm on a different timeline. And if I choose to
wake up and have oatmeal for breakfast, I'm on a
different timeline than if I chose to have eggs. Like,
it's just there's so many different possibilities that I like.
I honestly, it kind of like blows my mind and
(17:44):
I have a hard time like wrapping my head around it.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Yeah, it's kind of like you feel like you know
a lot, but like you know nothing at all. That's
literally the basis of this work. You're just like, when
does the rabbit hole in?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
And it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
It really doesn't, because the like every step take you realize,
oh my god, there's a whole door behind this, this
whole hallway of untapped inside consciousness. Yeah, because you know,
I started to think about these timelines when it came
to money, and I was thinking of like quantum leaping
(18:19):
and how time. You know, there's this narrative of you
got to work hard for your whole life, right, But
then you enter into these altered state of consciousness. And
I'm not talking about drugs or anything. I'm talking about
meditation and hypnosis and using those mediums and you're able
to visualize certain outcomes and just naturally I noticed, like
(18:43):
I've played around with this on days that I do
enter into those states and I do visualize certain outcomes,
like the universe surprises me with opportunities for money, and
that itself scares me. And then I like stopped doing
it for a while, and I'm like, oh my god,
the mind energy is so powerful. But it's so interesting
(19:06):
because if I have this belief system that I got
to work super hard, and you know, we saw this
in the Industrial Revolution of you got to work these
long hours so that they could convince people to work
these long hours in factories and kind of just shift it.
You know, this this narrative, and now we're saying, no,
you don't need to work hard, you need to work smart.
Like constantly we're seeing these shifts, and so that for
(19:31):
me is like, Okay, quantum leaping. I've tried it. It works,
But does it work because I think it works or
does it really work well?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I think I think yes to both of those questions. Right,
it works because you believe it, and it works because
it works. If somebody doesn't believe, it's not going to
work for them, right, But doesn't mean that it doesn't
work like, so I think it can be both, and
I think in order to quantum leap in that way way,
you have to believe it and then therefore there's your
(20:04):
evidence that it works.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, Gabby, what's your thought on it? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (20:09):
I agree with that, especially from like a subconscious pre
programming programming perspective and everything I'm learning on that side
of the world, which is more like Nicole's line of
work and her area of expertise. I also think too,
I'm kind of like me personally being more of like
a highly predictive psychic than anything else. It's like, how
(20:30):
much of because like I think back on this and
I was very curious and that's how I got into
this work. But two, I'm naturally controlling, and that is
something that I'm really trying to work on within myself.
It's something that I'm trying to heal within, like the lineage,
and it's something that as a cancer. I'm just like,
I'm pretty sure world or Signs just kind of came
into this world with that trait.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
So anyways, I'm speaking for myself.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Here, but right now where I'm at in my life,
I'm like, how much do I want to manifest and how.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Much of it is related to control?
Speaker 5 (20:59):
And how much of it am I okay with just
not knowing and being surprised and like allowing the universe
to really show me, like how good can it be?
So that's kind of where I'm just like, wait, and
that's like one of those other like doors down the
rabbit hole that you can really like go into and yeah,
and it's like, well, how much of it are you
just like okay with being in the divine, feminine if
you will, and the unknown and yeah, So it's kind
(21:23):
of a mind if if you really get into it.
So I do agree with the whole subconscious reprogramming programming
aspect of it, But right now where I'm at with
it in my personal journey, I'm kind of okay with
just being surprised and just trusting that you know my
guides and the divine has me.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I love that. So I'm curious both like one is
an astrologer, one is more on the psychology side of it,
and you know, you've you've come together with both of
you being curious and wanting to dive into some of
these really complex concepts. How has the podcast helped you
(22:05):
both grow as sisters? Has it deepened your connection. How
has it served as a container for you both?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Can I start?
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Yeah, So, I think like, throughout doing the podcast, I've
learned a lot about how Nicole Like processes information, how
she thinks. But I also really appreciate her grounded perspective
because for me, I don't naturally feel very grounded, and
her alternative perspectives, her opinions are just like, oh yeah,
like I would have never thought of it that way,
(22:37):
And so I think I'm a little I'm.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
More rigid, for sure, I would say.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
So, I really appreciate her insight because it's grounded and
it's practical, even though sometimes she may not feel grounded herself.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yeah, I think for me the podcast has served its purpose.
The whole point of it for me was to be
able to learn and to get more in from about
spiritual practices and just the whole world. So, like, I
had no idea. I had never heard of human design,
you know, up until what like a year and a
half ago maybe, and I'm obsessed with human design.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
There were so many things I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I didn't know anything about soul contracts, and now I
think they're just they're so fascinating So for me, the
podcast really served its purpose in that way, like what
it was intended to do. And I think for me
and Gabby, we were already so close that like, I
don't I can't say like, oh, it brought us closer
together because I mean, like she said, you know, we
(23:35):
were having hour long conversations every day, so it was just, yeah,
it's it it. I think it didn't change our relationship
in that way, but it served the purpose for what
I wanted it to be.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I just had a thought come to me, you're both
born on the same day, right, yet you're so different.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
So we're so similar and we're so so different in
a lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah, we're two sides of the same coin.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
And we're exactly nine years apart, which is interesting because
nine is a full cycle from anological perspective, and yeah,
it's just so interesting when you really think about it,
it's like, oh, like, we've done.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
This together before. There's just no way.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
And a couple of years ago, we had a birthday
reading and we're not getting political here by any means,
but it was really interesting because Nicole had an Acusture
Records reading and it spoke to her past life during
the last previous World war and how basically like she came.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Forth, she reincarnated, And.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
I was like, oh wait, so like are we here
for this timeline to see how planet Earth evolves from
like three D to forty to five D consciousness because
we couldn't get it together in the last lifetime.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
So again like down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
But all this to say that, like we totally have
done life together before, and if you put our charts together,
it validates that from you know, this industry perspective.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Oh, I've never talked about it, and have we I'm
sure I know you've done it, but yeah, we haven't.
That'd be really interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
So then like okay, like you have the whole astrological component,
and then there's those whole concept of like synistry and
composite and it's like, well, what past lives do you
have together? So it's like it's never ending. But yeah,
we definitely have had FACI lines together.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Sure, yeah, because I feel like you're both for me
an example of soul contracts existing, right, because this is like,
you know, you're both born in the same family, and yes,
everyone gets a different version of their parents, but in
some essence, your environment was similar, and yet you have,
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you know, different passions, You've taken different paths. So it
really makes me kind of believe more and more into Okay,
you both have a unique soul contract that you came
into this world, and of course it's aligned, and perhaps
it has been aligned in past lives too. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Yeah, I almost think that my path was very different
than everybody else's. And I almost think like there are
some things.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Where people are like.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I don't want to say like catching up, but like,
oh okay, yeah, that's that was like right, or like
now they're kind of veering more towards like and the
reason I, like I'm thinking is like every been in
our family, for example, like they were like business majors, right,
and I was like, business is that's so bored. I
don't want to have anything to do with business, right,
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So I went and studied psychology. And then Gabby, you know,
is like kind of veering like away from business in
the sense that like now more of her identity is
around like astrology, and we kind of talked about, you know,
the like how those two can be like really similar,
and there are just like some other examples that that
you know, for like our family where it's like, well,
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I was the first one and now other people are
kind of like coming around to it.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
So yeah, really interesting.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
I also think too, like even through like examples within
the family, right, like certain aspects of Nicole's life have
perfectly modeled like times and chapters in my mom's life,
our mom's life and my dad's life, and the same
with our other sister who's now a co Hoo's on
the podcast, and like I've mirror my dad's path in
a lot of ways too, but like I appreciate and
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desire aspects that you know, my mom, Nicole, and Branna
have in their lives now. So it's really funny to
see how like our paths intertwine and how this generation,
our generation, my sisters and myself mimic what our parents
have done in terms of like certain chapters that they've had.
And I see that more from like a familial aspect.
But yeah, it's interesting just to like tap on Nicole's
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point about like the business. I didn't know what I
wanted to study, and I really feel like in time,
like our offerings will be very similar or like one
will serve or perfectly hold hands with the other and
right now we're kind of just on our path in
terms of like, Okay, let's do the healing that we
designed up to do, and like we'll circle back, because
I don't think it's a coincidence that like Nicole studied psychology,
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I have the business background, but we're so interested in
both kind of work together, especially with like what we're
doing within our own businesses at this point.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, curious Pabalistically, there's this belief that we choose our parents.
And this is a concept I first heard about by
doctor Wayne Dyer and he was sharing his experience where
he was speaking to his daughter and then you know,
he was his daughter was complaining and he turns on
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and goes like, well, you chose me. And that was
so like interesting for me, And I took that to
my mom and I'm like, do you think I chose you?
And I chose dad? And for me, I one hundred percent,
without a shadow of doubt, belief that I chose my
parents because only they could trigger me into evolving and
growing the way I did and creating that space for
me to grow and evolve. And I'm learning my like
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areas of we call them tikun and Cabala like the
areas that I need to to change, the cycles I
need to break, they are the perfect container for that.
That's my perspective. But since you're both sisters in the
same family, I'm curious about yours.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Go for it, Nicole.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I have a really hard time with that idea, Like, uh,
so we have different moms, and I think that there's
no way I would have chosen like my birth mom, like.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Like why did I do that?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
You know?
Speaker 3 (29:40):
So I really struggle with that. And yes, you know,
she did trigger me in so many ways to where
like I had to grow and I probably wouldn't be
where I am if I didn't have her as a parent,
you know, and you know, for better or for worse, right,
I could have been better or I could have been worse.
But I always think back to like there's no way
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I chose her, Like there's no way. So I but
I believe it, like I know, I know that I
did to an extent, but it's just like why, like
that was a dumb choice for me. So yeah, I
kind of like I kind of struggle with the concept
because like it's true and it's not for me.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Yeah, and it's interesting just to touch on the astrological
component Nicole, but because so the fourth and the tenth
house are mom and dad, and Nicole's placements in her
fourth and tenth house speak to having a significant type
of relationship.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
With her mom.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
So you know, if you're wanting to look at it
from the esoteric like soul contract, you know that there
is validity that can be argued based on the birth charts.
For me, it's interesting actually how that thought like a
couple of days ago, and you know, our parents are
really intuitive in the sense that might and we're speaking
of mental health. I actually had a had a reading
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back when I like first had my awakening, and it
was written birth chart reading, and it was explaining how
on the dad's side of the family there was mental
health concerns throughout the lineage, and like it was something
that you'd be working on in terms of which is
kind of clearing that energy up.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
And you know on my mom's.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Side that there were like astrologers essentially that were a
few generations back. So I was thinking, I was like,
why did I, like, you know, to be the first
one really to have that awakening or at least be
public with it and be like Okay, like I'm going
to build a business around this specific topic, and like
why me, Like if they had the gifts, like why
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didn't they do it? But I think in a lot
of ways like they and I don't have kids yet,
but they say that like your children are your greatest teachers,
and so I almost wonder if, like us doing the
work as siblings was meant to allow them to come
into their healing, because maybe they didn't have the opportunity to,
especially as you know, first generation immigrants that just kind
of had to make it work from their root chakra,
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just basic needs figuring it out and surviving in a
new country. And then like you know, the millennials coming
in and being able to to heal that from an
energetic perspective. So I think the generations that are coming forth,
like our kids, it's going to be really interesting to
see like what their healing is going to look like.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I don't think my siblings have gen Z kids. I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
It's escaping my mind right now, but one of the
things that I recently heard was that gen Z kids,
because millennials are so aware of like what type of
healing needs to be done, that gen Z children are
coming off a little bit more like entitled, or even
if it's Genalfa in terms of like probably generalfa, yeah, Generalfa. Okay,
so that they you know, they expect certain things because
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you know, their parents that are millennials are were just
so equipped to.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Handle it from like an emotional perspective. So really curious.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
But I do think that we choose our parents to
answer long w do way of answering.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I love that because through your answer, you also reflected
that the parents chose the child too, right in a
way that that child kind of like you, became an
opportunity for them to heal themselves too.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I think so, I think so my inner go ahead,
I was.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Gonna say, have you ever read Journey of Souls? Have I? Okay,
I highly, highly highly recommend that book for everybody because
it kind of speaks to sole families and this idea
that we all kind of travel in these like soul
groups and sol families together. So yes, like you know,
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you might have twenty people in the sole family, and okay,
in this lifetime you're gonna play mom, and in this
lifetime you're gonna play dad, and I'm gonna play son
and you're gonna play daughter. So I think that there
is that like agreement of Okay, we're gonna play these
different roles for each other, and we're going to teach
each other these lessons. So I think that you know,
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and you're gonna play my sister and you're gonna play
my brother. And so I think that, yes, it's not
just that we choose our parents. I think we choose
everybody in these soul families. You know, this person's going
to be my spouse, and this is gonna be my
son and my daughter. So I think that there's a
lot of like choosing and like appointing of roles in
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the lifetime and that book really speaks.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
To that, like very very beautifully.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Oh yeah, thank you for that. I so like for me,
I'm thinking about so my my core wound. Everyone has
us in their chart and it's just specific to them
based on you know, their birth information.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
It's my inner child.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
And I think that me having children is going to
be very healing in its own way, especially for like.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
My inner child wound.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
So I think just as like we can help heal
our parents, I think our children also help heal us
in a lot of ways too.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I'm definitely going to read that book, Journey of the
Soul's Nicole. Thank you for that, because I really do
believe in that. It's funny why and my mom got
married when they were very young eighteen and twenty three,
and my mom used to love reading books and I
used to love reading books, but to the point where
my dad would come home, we would hide our books
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because we'd be like, oh my god, he's going to
get mad that we're reading again. And me and my
mom kind of had this like sisterly bond. So I'm
sure we were sisters in the past life because the
mother daughter thing was never really there. And fast forward.
This is a man who would make his like we
would hide our books from him.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Fast forward.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
I think it was like seven eight years ago. I
was leaving in Dubai at that time, and he came
to my house and he said, have you heard of
Ving Dear? And I'm like who. He's like, Veen Dear,
I'm reading his book. I'm like, you mean doctor Wayne Dyer,
and yes, I've been trying to get you to read
this book for like twenty thirty years. Mom has been
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telling you. And so I was like, I call my mom.
I was like, you will not believe what he just
said right now. It was such a shock. But you know,
maybe if I wasn't there or my mom wasn't there,
he would have never been open to doctoring die or
in this spiritual world.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Yeah. I love that. That's so cute.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah. So that brings me to my last question. And
I know we're coming towards end of our time, but
I think it's a really interest. I would love to
see your perspective on it. Intuition versus protection. So you
know how we say, like it happened to your gut
like this, there's this energy within you, the self that
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is all knowing. And so sometimes when we're like reflecting
on certain things and we're going within the question now,
is is this my intuition or is this a protective mechanism?
Is it a trauma response? And Nicole, I'd love your
take on it from a therapeutic perspective.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
I think that in order to really kind of sess
out is it intuition, is it anxiety? Is like really
getting quiet with yourself, like you know, through meditation or
whatever it is, and like tapping into okay, like what
are my yeses and what am I like, what are
my nose and like really feeling what that feels like
in your body? Okay, So do I want this today
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or do I want that today? In a moment, like
you know, for simple things, do I want this for
breakfast or that for breakfast? Do I want to wear
this outfit or that outfit?
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Not for the big.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Decisions, right, you really want to like practice really slowly
and tap into what that feels like in your body,
and then over time it'll help. I think it'll help
you feel the intuition versus the anxiety.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Easier. And also one of the things that.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
I remember just kind of like listening and like really
practicing and like, oh yeah, that is really true is
intuition is always going to be really calm, and it's
it's probably not gonna make sense.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Right.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
You're gonna have this thought. I remember years ago I
had this, you know, I was I was engaged at
the time, and my partner was gonna go out to
like grab water or something, and just kind of out
of nowhere, I was like, I don't think you should
go right now, just very calm, very whatever. And he
said why, I said, I don't know. I just don't
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think you should go, and he said, okay, Like then
I won't go. And you know, we didn't hear about
anything bad happening, like there was no major accident, But
there was something in that moment that told me don't
let him leave, like he shouldn't leave the house right now,
versus you know, oh my gosh, what if something bad
happens when you leave, right that's going to be the
anxiety of like, no, but if you leave, what if
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someone tries to break in? Or if you leave, what
if you get in an accident? That I think was
like the difference for me. It was just a very calm,
like don't let him go, okay, And it's hard sometimes
to tap into that when it's something big. Right should
I leave this job? Should I go full time in
my business? Should I take this other job? But I
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think really taking that time to get quiet with the
little things in life, your outfit, your clothes for the day,
what you want to watch on TV. I think that's
a good way to kind of like practice and see, Okay, Like,
am I having these these anxious thoughts about something bad happening?
Then that's probably your anxiety versus do I have these
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other thoughts? That don't really make sense. That's probably gonna
be your intuition, because your intuition never makes sense, right.
I mean, how many times have we had something and
it's just like, what doesn't make any sense? But I'm
gonna listen anyway, And that's usually when our intuition's like
speaking to us.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Wow, so powerful. So you the starn between the two
from like how it feels in terms of is it
calm or is it chaotic? And right, So you start
with something small and you kind of expand the elasticity
of intuition internally and you said one other thing, Oh,
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it doesn't make sense. Intuition doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
It doesn't make sense, right. I mean, how many times
has something came to us intuitively like that's weird but okay,
And then it's usually spot on but didn't make any
sense in the moment.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
I love that, Gabby. What's your take on it?
Speaker 5 (40:15):
I think everyone's intuition speaks to them a little bit differently.
I think more or less it is more calm than
it is loud. At least that's maybe kind of how
I think it should be, because I think if it's loud,
you know, maybe there's a little bit of fear interlaced
with that, but I do think that everyone has it,
and I feel like the importance for identifying like how
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your intuition works with you, how you receive intuitive messages.
You know, some people just know, some people hear, some
people see, some people feel. I think just tapping into
that is so important, especially in today's age time and age,
and I think as we progress and we see just
the development of AI and more use of technology, I
think that's more important now than or just so you know,
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like what's true and valid for you, even if it
doesn't make sense to everyone else. And I don't know
that it needs to make sense to everyone else.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
So ooh, I love that follow up question for you, Gabby.
Can human design help us figure out how intuition speaks
to us?
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Absolutely? Yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
So astrology is one of the modalities that's a foundation
piece to human design, and I think astrology is more
the feminine component, whereas human design is.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
More the masculine.
Speaker 5 (41:30):
But human design is quite literally the permission slip, the
how to in terms of how to navigate, how you move,
how you best move in this world in this lifetime.
Whereas you can totally get there with astrology. But I've
only been able to, like, in my experience, the astrologers
that have been in the game for like twenty thirty
years are the ones that are able to speak to
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the exact specifics of how how how to that human
design provides you with.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
And I think that just comes with so many years
of studies.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
So and I think is the little how in terms
of how to tap into your conduition, which energy centers
are the ones that you're going to be receiving information from?
Speaker 2 (42:07):
And yeah, I think that's that's really that amazing.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Thank you ladies so much for joining, for sharing your insights,
your wisdom. How can the audience connect with you? Good?
Speaker 5 (42:21):
Okay, So you can find us at the Spiritual Sisters podcast.
You can find Nicole at the Nicole Christine, you can
find me at Agua Astrology, and all of the links
pretty much mimic our names and the podcast and our
business names, and.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, just come hang out, take a listen. I love that.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I'm going to put all of that on the show
notes so people can access it with more ease. Once again,
thank you so much for coming on, for diving into
these complex topics and you know, kind of holding space
for them to take place.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
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Poor Hi Soul friends, It's Tanasa the same point. Welcome
back to another episode of the Minutes on Growth podcast. Today,
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we have two special guests with us. For those of
you who have been listening to the podcast. You know
that I love the integration of psychology and spirituality and
when I saw that their podcast is literally that, I
was like, oh my god, we need to have them
on the podcast, The Spiritual Sisters. They have the Spiritual
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Sisters podcast. Gabby, who is an intuitive astrologer, and Nicole,
a licensed marriage and family therapist. Welcome both of you.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Thank you for having Get A two for one.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yes, I love it because I have this conversation often
with my mom and we talk about which one is
which medium is more powerful for healing. Is its spirituality
and is it psychology, And we've come to this conclusion
that it's the integration of both. For us, psychology without
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spirituality doesn't give us the faith element, the trust in
something bigger than us, and the sense of I'm supported
by the universe and spirituality without psychology for us feels like, okay,
we don't have the tools to navigate the self awareness.
(01:44):
So I love that you both are here. In your opinion,
how do they overlap?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
They ohnicle you go first.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I have a lot of thoughts on this, Okay, So
for me, I think they overlap up. It's almost like
psychology helped to keep me grounded in reality when I
was starting my spiritual journey, and I think without that,
I think a lot of people and Gabby can probably
attest to this and speak to it, like when you're
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going through it, you just feel like you're going crazy
and like you're losing your mind and you're hearing things
and you're seeing things and just these weird things are happening.
But I felt like psychology was like kind of what
kept me rooted and Okay, what is what is a
spiritual experience versus like what might be a little bit
of like delusion popping in right, So so with my
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therapist hat, I was always trying to stay very balanced
and Okay, I know that this is real, but I
also know that this is real, and I think that
that is sometimes what's missing and either sometimes people think
that they are going crazy, or sometimes people might be
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really experiencing something that needs like medical attention by like
a licensed healthcare provider, but they don't see that because
they're so into the other parts of it. So for me,
it's like a balance, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
So on the one like this energy of groundedness comes
from psychology, and then the expansiveness comes from.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Sirtuality, Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
And for me at least, or I can't speak to
everybody else's experience, but for me, because they did have
so much like background and experience with that, that was
what really helped for me. And even when I'm working
with people now in a coaching capacity or even in
a therapeutic capacity, just really trying to honor what is
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their spiritual experience and also taking a look at okay,
and let's make sure that we don't have this other
stuff going on just to be safe, so that way
they can really dive into the spiritual piece and feel
very comfortable and confident knowing that okay, like I am okay,
I don't need to be diagnosed with anything, like I'm
all good. I'm just having my spiritual awakening. I'm experiencing
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my you know, my my spirituality, and you know, I'm
a human here having a spiritual experience.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I think I love that.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Gabby, what's your experience?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
So thank you for asking.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Yeah, so I've spoken to this a couple of times
on the podcast, especially in the earlier episodes. So I
went through this whole thing called the oud in Return,
and I feel like I was now looking back, I
was like, was the first one in the family to
really go through the spiritual awakening. And I think the OG,
much like your mom is the OG. I think that
was our dad, and he had always really kept this
stuff to himself, and I don't think he really spoke
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to it until I kind of came out after my
Sadden return and during my soddern return, which is that
like time from ages twenty eight to thirty where you
just kind of initiated into astrologically speaking, into adulthood. And
I was like, something's happening. I don't know what it
is is, none of this makes sense, and it really
kind of ushered me into the spiritual awakening. And I
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was going through it and Nicole was like, you know,
you should consider therapy, and I went to therapy, and
so I'm a sacral generator and everything in my body rejected.
What not to say that those practices weren't valid, because
I totally think that they are. It's just not what
I needed or was seeking at the time, and I
knew my body was like, this is not it. This
is something bigger than what can be explained. And and
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I would love to hear Nicholes take on this too,
because I think she's kind of like, oh, yeah, I
can kind of see you, but I don't want to
speak for her. But I found my safe myself being
able to manipulate my therapist, which is like shadows side
of a cancer, which were both cancers are actually born
on the same day and we just celebrated our birthday.
But at time of recording, and I just was kind
of like, yeah, this isn't it. Like I'm seeking something deeper,
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something a little bit more evolved, and I recognized that
that was my spiritual awakening. However, I do think the
way that Nicole explained it with respect to the therapy
side being able to ground oneself, I think that's so
valid and that's such a great way to explain it.
But for me, I was looking to not be grounded
at that time. And that's what I needed for my
specific journey and that's how astrology supported me.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Oo. I love that because what you're kind of weaving
us into this topic of astrology can be used not
only is a tool for like you know, predicting the future,
but also as a tool for self inquiry and self awareness.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Absolutely, And yesterday it was interesting. I was this is
not good for the subconscious mind. But my dirty, like
little secret, I guess, or way that I like kind
of just like to indulge myself is I'll scroll through
the tickty Talk right before I go to bed, and
it's like.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
The worst time to do it, the worst thing to do.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
It's the worst thing and I know it, I know it,
but I can't get enough of it.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Right.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
And I was listening to this his name's Darryl. The
last name starts with the NA, and he's this man
he's been traveling channeling his et friend Bashar for close
to forty years, and he was talking about his contracts
and I was like, oh yeah, just kind of clicked.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Like I had.
Speaker 5 (07:09):
Always explained that astrology was your roadmap for your incarnation
in this lifetime, but really what your astrological birth chart is.
It's your sole contract, like, this is what you agreed
to do, what you signed up for. So for me,
I really found that astrology that was the first tool,
the modality that really helped me understand wtf was going
on for me at the time when I really felt
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like I was losing my mind, But like I knew,
I wasn't losing my mind, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Okay, So this contract that you're talking about, can you
like open it up for people who might not have
heard this term before? And you know, what is a
birth chart and how can a birth chart highlight patterns?
Can it?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (07:53):
And I think that's actually a really good way to
blend in the area of work that Nicolas too, to
set the foundation and the context for it. So your
birth chart is based on the exact time, date, and
place of birth, and that's how you can cast your
chart and it's specific to you based on that information
and what it's.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Going to give you.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
It's going to give you literally all types of characteristics, references,
skill sets that you essentially incarnated into in this lifetime
I can even speak to I'm thinking about specifically. It's
called the twelfth house in a chart, it can speak
to maybe your relationship to the divine, to the psychic realm,
to divination, to mental health.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
It's the mental health house.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
And it's almost kind of like depending on where those
planets fall inside that chart, that's kind of what you agree.
That's you contracted to work with those energies, to understand
those energies better, to move through those energies so as
your soul could evolve in.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
This incarnation in this lifetime.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
And yeah, that's kind of that's the contract, if you will,
that you signed based off of what you incarnated with
and the birth threat that you have.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I love that, Nicole. Where do you stand with birth
charts and you know, using astrology as a tool for
self awareness?
Speaker 3 (09:07):
So when Gabby first started working with birth charts, I
was one of the guinea pigs and it was so
fun and it was so it.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Was so good. It was really accurate.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I still don't quite understand a lot of the terminology
when people are like, what is Today's like a Jupiter
Cazimi something and I don't know what that means.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
There's so a lot of things I don't understand, but.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
I think it was really accurate and I think it
really speaks to yeah, to just it made a lot
of sense. It almost we haven't really talked about it,
but human design I almost feel like the two together
are really helpful. Because I also felt like human design
wasn't necessarily like telling me anything that I didn't already know.
(09:52):
It was kind of like confirming. And it's said sometimes
to be like the permission slip for whatever it is
that you might be experiencing. That's tof So for some people,
you know, maybe they don't work very well in the
traditional nine to five sleep from ten am to six am, right,
maybe they're someone that is, you know what, I'm most
productive at three in the morning and I need to
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sleep during the middle of the day. And we might
look at them like, well, that's not how things work, right,
But human design is going to say, but based on
your birth date, location, time and all that, this is
how it works for you. So I almost feel like
the two of them together are really really helpful. I
did find the birth chart to give me a lot
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of information and a lot of insight into things that
had happened. So like, for example, my Saturn return, I
had already passed it by the time I had my
birth chart reading, but it made a lot of sense,
like oh, that's what was happening during that time, and
then also for it to kind of pick up other things.
But let me let me pause there, because I actually
(10:55):
don't even know if it's the birth chart that's picking
it up or if it's my sister, because as you said,
she's an intuitive astrologer, So I don't know how much
of it is written in the stars and how much
of it was, you know, and she read it from
my chart versus how much of it she picked up intuitively.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Or knew you know, or just newly.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, yeah, but no, but things about that hadn't happened yet, right,
like m possible deaths and you know, just things that
hadn't happened or that we wouldn't know would happened.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
So here's my question. I completely on board with both
of you. I've had my chart read multiple times through
different like I've had like Vadic chart readings, I've had
like Western chart readings, all anything that exists, and I've
had it read, and the central theme and all of
them has been that my part of my soul contract
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is detachment, learning and mastering the art of detachment and
the wildest like like stories and life quakes have happened
in my life that you know, if I wrote a
book about it, people would think this is fiction, like
it only happens in the movies all on detachment. But
here's my question, and I'm voicing, I think the question
(12:07):
of many skeptics is that part of my contract? Or
is it a self fulfilling prophecy? What are your thoughts
on that?
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Uh, you know, I don't know if I have thoughts
on it, only because I personally even struggle with the
whole concept of fate versus free will and how much
of that. I mean, if you really think about it,
it can just kind of send you down a rabbit
hole and you can just keep looking.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
You're just like what is true? What is not true?
Speaker 5 (12:36):
So I do believe that what is meant for you
it can't miss you. But I feel like there's probably
a little bit of both involved, Like how could.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
There not be?
Speaker 3 (12:47):
You know, Yeah, I would agree. I would say it's
probably a combination of thoughts. Quoth Yeah, I think it's
a combination of both, for sure.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
I think.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
So there has been talk about you know, you come
into the world with you know, these contracts and these
agreements and okay, well does it mean then that I
have to like that this is kind of just set
for me, or can I choose to change this? So
I think that's the hard part is I think sometimes
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people say, you know what, I maybe came in to
do this.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
But I want to do something.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
I want to do something different, and how can I
change app So I think that's where the free will
comes in, Like maybe you were destined to do something,
but along the way you're like, you know what, I Nope,
I don't want to do that. My free wills tell
me that I want to do something bigger and greater.
And I think that that's Yeah. I think there's like
a little bit of both. I think there's a fine
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line there. Excuse me, I think there's a fine line.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, it makes sense speacause for example, my mom, she's
had her chart read, and none of her charts was
their divorce, but she did get stuck from my dad,
and always the astrologers are telling her like that was
your free will to change the blueprint and to shift
into And here I want to introduce a new topic,
(14:12):
parallel timelines. What are your thoughts on that because sometimes
I noticed that too, of like, you know, I think
the first time I read about destiny and fate was
Paula Coello's book The Alchemist and how he said, mactube
like it's written and then I was like, okay, but
then what about my free will? And then I started
to get curious with it and research it more, and
(14:35):
you know, I started to learn, Oh, there's like multi
time is an illusion. Multiple versions of our life is
happening at the same time, and when we make certain decisions,
we're jumping timeline. So that's my perspective. But I'm curious
about your take on it.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Can I start, nick Are you good at that?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
I need?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I need Nicoles it in foot too.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
But this has been quite literally the most recent experience,
so I just want to say, Nicole, you and I
need a little phone chat after this because so I
also want to share it that our podcast actually started
as a result of us literally having hour long conversations
and Nicole came up with the ideas, so I'm like, yeah,
we got to get back to that. But anyways, I
think timelines is actually something that's like really fresh of
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mind because I've never seen timelines shift as quickly as
they have and seen as many of my clients experience
multiple predicted timelines in one year, and I feel like
that's been twenty twenty five. And I was just telling Nicole,
I was like, yeah, like you know, this was supposed
to happen. And I read for myself at the beginning
of the year and I saw a really cool opportunity
(15:35):
come forth in June, And like you know, I usually
go month by month in my predictive readings, and that's
more from an intuitive perspective than it is from the
astrological component. And all this to say, I'm just like, wow,
you can really be living out like multiple timelines at once.
And I think it also just depends, I guess maybe
a little bit on and this. I'm just coming to
(15:55):
this conclusion in the last couple of days, how maybe
expanded you might be in terms of your consciousness. But
I also think it's maybe if you're, say, looking for
a partner, you're ready to meet a partner depends on
where they're on their journey and their free will if
that's something that's say, was predicted in one timeline.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
So I think it's kind of convoluted. I convoluted.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
I think you can be living out multiple timelines at once.
I think there is such a thing as being on
just one timeline as well, but I think multiple realities
existing at the same time as such a thing.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
I think that it is too complex for me to
still wrap my head around. There was a show years ago.
It was called Castle Rock. I don't know if you
ever heard of it or saw it, Okay, So it
was basically based off of a Stephen King, either a
novel or just his work in general, might have been
a novel. And that was where I first kind of
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came across the idea of parallel timelines and parallel universes
and things like that, and it just it like blew
my mind in a way that I'm like, I can't
wrap my head around this. This is so confusing. And
there is so much talk though about parallel timeline and
universes and multiverse and all of those things, and I'm like,
(17:15):
I understand it sort of but not really. Like it
kind of reminds me.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Also like the butterfly effect. Right, So there's so.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Many different timelines that we could be living on if
I chose to go left instead of going right. Now,
I'm on a different timeline. And if I choose to
wake up and have oatmeal for breakfast, I'm on a
different timeline than if I chose to have eggs. Like,
it's just there's so many different possibilities that I like.
I honestly, it kind of like blows my mind and
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I have a hard time like wrapping my head around it.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Yeah, it's kind of like you feel like you know
a lot, but like you know nothing at all. That's
literally the basis of this work. You're just like, when
does the rabbit hole in?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
And it doesn't.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
It really doesn't, because the like every step take you realize,
oh my god, there's a whole door behind this, this
whole hallway of untapped inside consciousness. Yeah, because you know,
I started to think about these timelines when it came
to money, and I was thinking of like quantum leaping
(18:19):
and how time. You know, there's this narrative of you
got to work hard for your whole life, right, But
then you enter into these altered state of consciousness. And
I'm not talking about drugs or anything. I'm talking about
meditation and hypnosis and using those mediums and you're able
to visualize certain outcomes and just naturally I noticed, like
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I've played around with this on days that I do
enter into those states and I do visualize certain outcomes,
like the universe surprises me with opportunities for money, and
that itself scares me. And then I like stopped doing
it for a while, and I'm like, oh my god,
the mind energy is so powerful. But it's so interesting
(19:06):
because if I have this belief system that I got
to work super hard, and you know, we saw this
in the Industrial Revolution of you got to work these
long hours so that they could convince people to work
these long hours in factories and kind of just shift it.
You know, this this narrative, and now we're saying, no,
you don't need to work hard, you need to work smart.
Like constantly we're seeing these shifts, and so that for
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me is like, Okay, quantum leaping. I've tried it. It works,
But does it work because I think it works or
does it really work well?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I think I think yes to both of those questions. Right,
it works because you believe it, and it works because
it works. If somebody doesn't believe, it's not going to
work for them, right, But doesn't mean that it doesn't
work like, so I think it can be both, and
I think in order to quantum leap in that way way,
you have to believe it and then therefore there's your
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evidence that it works.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, Gabby, what's your thought on it? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (20:09):
I agree with that, especially from like a subconscious pre
programming programming perspective and everything I'm learning on that side
of the world, which is more like Nicole's line of
work and her area of expertise. I also think too,
I'm kind of like me personally being more of like
a highly predictive psychic than anything else. It's like, how
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much of because like I think back on this and
I was very curious and that's how I got into
this work. But two, I'm naturally controlling, and that is
something that I'm really trying to work on within myself.
It's something that I'm trying to heal within, like the lineage,
and it's something that as a cancer. I'm just like,
I'm pretty sure world or Signs just kind of came
into this world with that trait.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
So anyways, I'm speaking for myself.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Here, but right now where I'm at in my life,
I'm like, how much do I want to manifest and how.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Much of it is related to control?
Speaker 5 (20:59):
And how much of it am I okay with just
not knowing and being surprised and like allowing the universe
to really show me, like how good can it be?
So that's kind of where I'm just like, wait, and
that's like one of those other like doors down the
rabbit hole that you can really like go into and yeah,
and it's like, well, how much of it are you
just like okay with being in the divine, feminine if
you will, and the unknown and yeah, So it's kind
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of a mind if if you really get into it.
So I do agree with the whole subconscious reprogramming programming
aspect of it, But right now where I'm at with
it in my personal journey, I'm kind of okay with
just being surprised and just trusting that you know my
guides and the divine has me.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I love that. So I'm curious both like one is
an astrologer, one is more on the psychology side of it,
and you know, you've you've come together with both of
you being curious and wanting to dive into some of
these really complex concepts. How has the podcast helped you
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both grow as sisters? Has it deepened your connection. How
has it served as a container for you both?
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Can I start?
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Yeah, So, I think like, throughout doing the podcast, I've
learned a lot about how Nicole Like processes information, how
she thinks. But I also really appreciate her grounded perspective
because for me, I don't naturally feel very grounded, and
her alternative perspectives, her opinions are just like, oh yeah,
like I would have never thought of it that way,
(22:37):
And so I think I'm a little I'm.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
More rigid, for sure, I would say.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
So, I really appreciate her insight because it's grounded and
it's practical, even though sometimes she may not feel grounded herself.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yeah, I think for me the podcast has served its purpose.
The whole point of it for me was to be
able to learn and to get more in from about
spiritual practices and just the whole world. So, like, I
had no idea. I had never heard of human design,
you know, up until what like a year and a
half ago maybe, and I'm obsessed with human design.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
There were so many things I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I didn't know anything about soul contracts, and now I
think they're just they're so fascinating So for me, the
podcast really served its purpose in that way, like what
it was intended to do. And I think for me
and Gabby, we were already so close that like, I
don't I can't say like, oh, it brought us closer
together because I mean, like she said, you know, we
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were having hour long conversations every day, so it was just, yeah,
it's it it. I think it didn't change our relationship
in that way, but it served the purpose for what
I wanted it to be.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I just had a thought come to me, you're both
born on the same day, right, yet you're so different.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
So we're so similar and we're so so different in
a lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah, we're two sides of the same coin.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
And we're exactly nine years apart, which is interesting because
nine is a full cycle from anological perspective, and yeah,
it's just so interesting when you really think about it,
it's like, oh, like, we've done.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
This together before. There's just no way.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
And a couple of years ago, we had a birthday
reading and we're not getting political here by any means,
but it was really interesting because Nicole had an Acusture
Records reading and it spoke to her past life during
the last previous World war and how basically like she came.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Forth, she reincarnated, And.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
I was like, oh wait, so like are we here
for this timeline to see how planet Earth evolves from
like three D to forty to five D consciousness because
we couldn't get it together in the last lifetime.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
So again like down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
But all this to say that, like we totally have
done life together before, and if you put our charts together,
it validates that from you know, this industry perspective.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Oh, I've never talked about it, and have we I'm
sure I know you've done it, but yeah, we haven't.
That'd be really interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
So then like okay, like you have the whole astrological component,
and then there's those whole concept of like synistry and
composite and it's like, well, what past lives do you
have together? So it's like it's never ending. But yeah,
we definitely have had FACI lines together.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Sure, yeah, because I feel like you're both for me
an example of soul contracts existing, right, because this is like,
you know, you're both born in the same family, and yes,
everyone gets a different version of their parents, but in
some essence, your environment was similar, and yet you have,
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you know, different passions, You've taken different paths. So it
really makes me kind of believe more and more into Okay,
you both have a unique soul contract that you came
into this world, and of course it's aligned, and perhaps
it has been aligned in past lives too. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Yeah, I almost think that my path was very different
than everybody else's. And I almost think like there are
some things.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Where people are like.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I don't want to say like catching up, but like,
oh okay, yeah, that's that was like right, or like
now they're kind of veering more towards like and the
reason I, like I'm thinking is like every been in
our family, for example, like they were like business majors, right,
and I was like, business is that's so bored. I
don't want to have anything to do with business, right,
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So I went and studied psychology. And then Gabby, you know,
is like kind of veering like away from business in
the sense that like now more of her identity is
around like astrology, and we kind of talked about, you know,
the like how those two can be like really similar,
and there are just like some other examples that that
you know, for like our family where it's like, well,
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I was the first one and now other people are
kind of like coming around to it.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
So yeah, really interesting.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
I also think too, like even through like examples within
the family, right, like certain aspects of Nicole's life have
perfectly modeled like times and chapters in my mom's life,
our mom's life and my dad's life, and the same
with our other sister who's now a co Hoo's on
the podcast, and like I've mirror my dad's path in
a lot of ways too, but like I appreciate and
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desire aspects that you know, my mom, Nicole, and Branna
have in their lives now. So it's really funny to
see how like our paths intertwine and how this generation,
our generation, my sisters and myself mimic what our parents
have done in terms of like certain chapters that they've had.
And I see that more from like a familial aspect.
But yeah, it's interesting just to like tap on Nicole's
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point about like the business. I didn't know what I
wanted to study, and I really feel like in time,
like our offerings will be very similar or like one
will serve or perfectly hold hands with the other and
right now we're kind of just on our path in
terms of like, Okay, let's do the healing that we
designed up to do, and like we'll circle back, because
I don't think it's a coincidence that like Nicole studied psychology,
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I have the business background, but we're so interested in
both kind of work together, especially with like what we're
doing within our own businesses at this point.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, curious Pabalistically, there's this belief that we choose our parents.
And this is a concept I first heard about by
doctor Wayne Dyer and he was sharing his experience where
he was speaking to his daughter and then you know,
he was his daughter was complaining and he turns on
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and goes like, well, you chose me. And that was
so like interesting for me, And I took that to
my mom and I'm like, do you think I chose you?
And I chose dad? And for me, I one hundred percent,
without a shadow of doubt, belief that I chose my
parents because only they could trigger me into evolving and
growing the way I did and creating that space for
me to grow and evolve. And I'm learning my like
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areas of we call them tikun and Cabala like the
areas that I need to to change, the cycles I
need to break, they are the perfect container for that.
That's my perspective. But since you're both sisters in the
same family, I'm curious about yours.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Go for it, Nicole.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I have a really hard time with that idea, Like, uh,
so we have different moms, and I think that there's
no way I would have chosen like my birth mom, like.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
Like why did I do that?
Speaker 1 (29:40):
You know?
Speaker 3 (29:40):
So I really struggle with that. And yes, you know,
she did trigger me in so many ways to where
like I had to grow and I probably wouldn't be
where I am if I didn't have her as a parent,
you know, and you know, for better or for worse, right,
I could have been better or I could have been worse.
But I always think back to like there's no way
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I chose her, Like there's no way. So I but
I believe it, like I know, I know that I
did to an extent, but it's just like why, like
that was a dumb choice for me. So yeah, I
kind of like I kind of struggle with the concept
because like it's true and it's not for me.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Yeah, and it's interesting just to touch on the astrological
component Nicole, but because so the fourth and the tenth
house are mom and dad, and Nicole's placements in her
fourth and tenth house speak to having a significant type
of relationship.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
With her mom.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
So you know, if you're wanting to look at it
from the esoteric like soul contract, you know that there
is validity that can be argued based on the birth charts.
For me, it's interesting actually how that thought like a
couple of days ago, and you know, our parents are
really intuitive in the sense that might and we're speaking
of mental health. I actually had a had a reading
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back when I like first had my awakening, and it
was written birth chart reading, and it was explaining how
on the dad's side of the family there was mental
health concerns throughout the lineage, and like it was something
that you'd be working on in terms of which is
kind of clearing that energy up.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
And you know on my mom's.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Side that there were like astrologers essentially that were a
few generations back. So I was thinking, I was like,
why did I, like, you know, to be the first
one really to have that awakening or at least be
public with it and be like Okay, like I'm going
to build a business around this specific topic, and like
why me, Like if they had the gifts, like why
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didn't they do it? But I think in a lot
of ways like they and I don't have kids yet,
but they say that like your children are your greatest teachers,
and so I almost wonder if, like us doing the
work as siblings was meant to allow them to come
into their healing, because maybe they didn't have the opportunity to,
especially as you know, first generation immigrants that just kind
of had to make it work from their root chakra,
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just basic needs figuring it out and surviving in a
new country. And then like you know, the millennials coming
in and being able to to heal that from an
energetic perspective. So I think the generations that are coming forth,
like our kids, it's going to be really interesting to
see like what their healing is going to look like.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I don't think my siblings have gen Z kids. I
don't know.
Speaker 5 (32:21):
It's escaping my mind right now, but one of the
things that I recently heard was that gen Z kids,
because millennials are so aware of like what type of
healing needs to be done, that gen Z children are
coming off a little bit more like entitled, or even
if it's Genalfa in terms of like probably generalfa, yeah, Generalfa. Okay,
so that they you know, they expect certain things because
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you know, their parents that are millennials are were just
so equipped to.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Handle it from like an emotional perspective. So really curious.
Speaker 5 (32:50):
But I do think that we choose our parents to
answer long w do way of answering.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I love that because through your answer, you also reflected
that the parents chose the child too, right in a
way that that child kind of like you, became an
opportunity for them to heal themselves too.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I think so, I think so my inner go ahead,
I was.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Gonna say, have you ever read Journey of Souls? Have I? Okay,
I highly, highly highly recommend that book for everybody because
it kind of speaks to sole families and this idea
that we all kind of travel in these like soul
groups and sol families together. So yes, like you know,
(33:36):
you might have twenty people in the sole family, and okay,
in this lifetime you're gonna play mom, and in this
lifetime you're gonna play dad, and I'm gonna play son
and you're gonna play daughter. So I think that there
is that like agreement of Okay, we're gonna play these
different roles for each other, and we're going to teach
each other these lessons. So I think that you know,
(33:56):
and you're gonna play my sister and you're gonna play
my brother. And so I think that, yes, it's not
just that we choose our parents. I think we choose
everybody in these soul families. You know, this person's going
to be my spouse, and this is gonna be my
son and my daughter. So I think that there's a
lot of like choosing and like appointing of roles in
(34:17):
the lifetime and that book really speaks.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
To that, like very very beautifully.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Oh yeah, thank you for that. I so like for me,
I'm thinking about so my my core wound. Everyone has
us in their chart and it's just specific to them
based on you know, their birth information.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
It's my inner child.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
And I think that me having children is going to
be very healing in its own way, especially for like.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
My inner child wound.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
So I think just as like we can help heal
our parents, I think our children also help heal us
in a lot of ways too.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I'm definitely going to read that book, Journey of the
Soul's Nicole. Thank you for that, because I really do
believe in that. It's funny why and my mom got
married when they were very young eighteen and twenty three,
and my mom used to love reading books and I
used to love reading books, but to the point where
my dad would come home, we would hide our books
(35:12):
because we'd be like, oh my god, he's going to
get mad that we're reading again. And me and my
mom kind of had this like sisterly bond. So I'm
sure we were sisters in the past life because the
mother daughter thing was never really there. And fast forward.
This is a man who would make his like we
would hide our books from him.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Fast forward.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
I think it was like seven eight years ago. I
was leaving in Dubai at that time, and he came
to my house and he said, have you heard of
Ving Dear? And I'm like who. He's like, Veen Dear,
I'm reading his book. I'm like, you mean doctor Wayne Dyer,
and yes, I've been trying to get you to read
this book for like twenty thirty years. Mom has been
(35:50):
telling you. And so I was like, I call my mom.
I was like, you will not believe what he just
said right now. It was such a shock. But you know,
maybe if I wasn't there or my mom wasn't there,
he would have never been open to doctoring die or
in this spiritual world.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Yeah. I love that. That's so cute.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah. So that brings me to my last question. And
I know we're coming towards end of our time, but
I think it's a really interest. I would love to
see your perspective on it. Intuition versus protection. So you
know how we say, like it happened to your gut
like this, there's this energy within you, the self that
(36:32):
is all knowing. And so sometimes when we're like reflecting
on certain things and we're going within the question now,
is is this my intuition or is this a protective mechanism?
Is it a trauma response? And Nicole, I'd love your
take on it from a therapeutic perspective.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
I think that in order to really kind of sess
out is it intuition, is it anxiety? Is like really
getting quiet with yourself, like you know, through meditation or
whatever it is, and like tapping into okay, like what
are my yeses and what am I like, what are
my nose and like really feeling what that feels like
in your body? Okay, So do I want this today
(37:17):
or do I want that today? In a moment, like
you know, for simple things, do I want this for
breakfast or that for breakfast? Do I want to wear
this outfit or that outfit?
Speaker 4 (37:24):
Not for the big.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Decisions, right, you really want to like practice really slowly
and tap into what that feels like in your body,
and then over time it'll help. I think it'll help
you feel the intuition versus the anxiety.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Easier. And also one of the things that.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
I remember just kind of like listening and like really
practicing and like, oh yeah, that is really true is
intuition is always going to be really calm, and it's
it's probably not gonna make sense.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Right.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
You're gonna have this thought. I remember years ago I
had this, you know, I was I was engaged at
the time, and my partner was gonna go out to
like grab water or something, and just kind of out
of nowhere, I was like, I don't think you should
go right now, just very calm, very whatever. And he
said why, I said, I don't know. I just don't
(38:17):
think you should go, and he said, okay, Like then
I won't go. And you know, we didn't hear about
anything bad happening, like there was no major accident, But
there was something in that moment that told me don't
let him leave, like he shouldn't leave the house right now,
versus you know, oh my gosh, what if something bad
happens when you leave, right that's going to be the
anxiety of like, no, but if you leave, what if
(38:40):
someone tries to break in? Or if you leave, what
if you get in an accident? That I think was
like the difference for me. It was just a very calm,
like don't let him go, okay, And it's hard sometimes
to tap into that when it's something big. Right should
I leave this job? Should I go full time in
my business? Should I take this other job? But I
(39:00):
think really taking that time to get quiet with the
little things in life, your outfit, your clothes for the day,
what you want to watch on TV. I think that's
a good way to kind of like practice and see, Okay, Like,
am I having these these anxious thoughts about something bad happening?
Then that's probably your anxiety versus do I have these
(39:21):
other thoughts? That don't really make sense. That's probably gonna
be your intuition, because your intuition never makes sense, right.
I mean, how many times have we had something and
it's just like, what doesn't make any sense? But I'm
gonna listen anyway, And that's usually when our intuition's like
speaking to us.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Wow, so powerful. So you the starn between the two
from like how it feels in terms of is it
calm or is it chaotic? And right, So you start
with something small and you kind of expand the elasticity
of intuition internally and you said one other thing, Oh,
(39:58):
it doesn't make sense. Intuition doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
It doesn't make sense, right. I mean, how many times
has something came to us intuitively like that's weird but okay,
And then it's usually spot on but didn't make any
sense in the moment.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
I love that, Gabby. What's your take on it?
Speaker 5 (40:15):
I think everyone's intuition speaks to them a little bit differently.
I think more or less it is more calm than
it is loud. At least that's maybe kind of how
I think it should be, because I think if it's loud,
you know, maybe there's a little bit of fear interlaced
with that, but I do think that everyone has it,
and I feel like the importance for identifying like how
(40:39):
your intuition works with you, how you receive intuitive messages.
You know, some people just know, some people hear, some
people see, some people feel. I think just tapping into
that is so important, especially in today's age time and age,
and I think as we progress and we see just
the development of AI and more use of technology, I
think that's more important now than or just so you know,
(41:00):
like what's true and valid for you, even if it
doesn't make sense to everyone else. And I don't know
that it needs to make sense to everyone else.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
So ooh, I love that follow up question for you, Gabby.
Can human design help us figure out how intuition speaks
to us?
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Absolutely? Yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:18):
So astrology is one of the modalities that's a foundation
piece to human design, and I think astrology is more
the feminine component, whereas human design is.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
More the masculine.
Speaker 5 (41:30):
But human design is quite literally the permission slip, the
how to in terms of how to navigate, how you move,
how you best move in this world in this lifetime.
Whereas you can totally get there with astrology. But I've
only been able to, like, in my experience, the astrologers
that have been in the game for like twenty thirty
years are the ones that are able to speak to
(41:51):
the exact specifics of how how how to that human
design provides you with.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
And I think that just comes with so many years
of studies.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
So and I think is the little how in terms
of how to tap into your conduition, which energy centers
are the ones that you're going to be receiving information from?
Speaker 2 (42:07):
And yeah, I think that's that's really that amazing.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Thank you ladies so much for joining, for sharing your insights,
your wisdom. How can the audience connect with you? Good?
Speaker 5 (42:21):
Okay, So you can find us at the Spiritual Sisters podcast.
You can find Nicole at the Nicole Christine, you can
find me at Agua Astrology, and all of the links
pretty much mimic our names and the podcast and our
business names, and.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, just come hang out, take a listen. I love that.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I'm going to put all of that on the show
notes so people can access it with more ease. Once again,
thank you so much for coming on, for diving into
these complex topics and you know, kind of holding space
for them to take place.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Thank you everyone for listening Speaks. Thank you for joining
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