E345: Kevin Frazier, Nischelle Turner, Chef Rodney Scott, Nwaka Onwusa & Dr. George Fraser

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hear from my man, Rashan McDonald money making Conversations. Here
we come. Awesome, Welcome to money making Conversation. I'm your host,
Rushan McDonald. I recognized that we all have different definitions
of success. My next guest, Kevin Fraser and the shall
turn her back on entertainment tonight. After being away six

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months remotely, I've been watching y'all on that small screen.
Is the number one entertainment news magazine or television really
the world four million viewers daily and the show won
his fifth Emmy Award this year. Kevin to Share on
the show discussed being on the fortieth season milestone. Wow,
please working money Making Conversations. My man Kevin Fraser, my girl,

(01:10):
the Shell Turn. What's going on? Well, you know, it's
it's really cool because you know, I'm originally from Houston, Texas,
so I can remember when entertainment came on and Mary
Heart it was just it was it was like it
was something new. Now everybody is doing some form, especially
with social media, some form of entertainment. And then to see,

(01:33):
you know, let's be honest to African American leads on
this show that plays a significant role on how we
look at television and say you're telling people of color
talk about that, Well, I was gonna say that. You know,
each and every day it is kind of a privilege
to you look across and you look at that person
and you're like, okay, we get it. And as you
can see, like we're spending an ordinate amount of time

(01:56):
together even when we're not on camera. I mean, this
is right next do ourselves through the wall. And Michelle
is also a crazy amazing cook, so she usually brings
in food. But you know it is I feel so
blessed and lucky to be able to look over and
see someone who I can identify with so much, and
also someone who has no problem keep me in check.

(02:17):
Same here, same here, because we battle, we battle behind
the scenes, but it's all like to lift one another
up and to have each other raise our games. Because
make no mistake about it, Rashana, I mean you do
see two people of color, you know, on this show,
and as you said, like the leads of this show,
I mean, Kevin officially is the host. I just kind
of try to ride his coattails sometimes, but but make

(02:39):
no mistake about it, like we get the weight that
that is and as blessed as we are to be
doing it, I mean, there's a weight to represent um.
Because you know, like people always say, if if a
kid can't see it, they can't believe it. So the
fact that it's Kevin and myself every single day a

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showing these young folks, these young brown and black folks,
like what they can be and what they can aspire to,
I mean it means the world to me. The world Kevin.
Kevin just got to see. Kevin has an assistant, Michelle
goes and walks to the smoothie shop herself, you shape
that way, so it's all good and smolks bringing him

(03:22):
a whole sandwich that's toasted, this is warm, this is
he is the host as you say it. You said
that earlier, so he's representing and she got jokes around here.
We'll get after Kevin Fraser like that woman right there,

(03:43):
that is true. Get you know it's serious, Rashan when
he says, can I just tell you something? So if
he says that within this interview, you know you're about
to get some kind of man's playing craziness going on there.
It is there, It is what with the pandemic, ya
changing the whole landscape because nobody was ready for that.

(04:05):
I thought maybe a month. You know, I'm an entrepreneur,
you know, I said, my staff, they we've been zooming
still and I purchased the building in Atlanta, but I'm
I'm getting the COVID safe, so i bring my staff
back in. So it's that whole mentality. How you look
at it. Even though you guys wore a studio show,
how did it really Because when you went to the

(04:26):
small screen trying to make it interesting, trying to get
the celebrities to come on with you, Kevin, how did
that work with you? What was the most uncomfortable part
of that? It was a lot because you're at home
and you're shooting the show, and you're shooting the show,
of course with your family walking around. Like my children
at first were like, oh, Daddy's doing the show, and
then they were just like, man, I gotta leave the

(04:48):
room again. And so it became a whole thing of
kind of shooting and dodging them and yelling everybody be quiet.
But it was kind of cool because I think with celebrities,
and I mean with the shell too, because here's the
crazy she had a home. It was just about saying
Michelle was homeless when this first happened because her home
was being finished. She just built the new house, so

(05:10):
she was homeless. I was living in a hotel for
the first two months and then finally moved into her house.
But it was a new house so it wasn't really
all set up, so getting it all set up and
everything ready was a real challenge for her. I carry
around in a crazy amount of technology with me at
all times, so I had cameras and stuff that I
couldn't wait to use and justify using. But I think

(05:31):
it was also cool because you gotta look inside our lives.
I think you gotta look inside in the shells lives life,
like oh, you're at home, oh you're Oh, that's what's
behind you. Oh, that's what your living room, that's what's
in your office. Yeah. I think that it actually UM
let celebrities guards down a little bit being at home.
And I think that we've done some of the best work,

(05:52):
best interviews that we've ever done during this pandemic because
I felt like it was easier for me to just
be calm, sational, just like we're all. It kind of
levels the playing field a little bit because like we're
all sitting in our living room on a bad you know,
WiFi connection, UM just all trying to make it work,

(06:13):
and so it kind of levels the playing field. So
you come into it a little bit differently than you
do when you're you know, going into a hotel sitting
down together or fancy and right fancy, like I'm wearing
my slippers, honey, and the FedEx man might come knock
on the door, so I'm just warning you ahead of right,
And that happened lots of times. So I thought I

(06:34):
think that it actually um was a help to us,
and I think that it helped my interviewing style a
lot because I just became much more I think that
that's who you are naturally, you're it shows are very
like I'm gonna talk to you, and I'm gonna talk
to you very straight. I'm not cutting anything like I'm
a massager, and she's like a get right to the fact.

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Part of that is, you know her news that she
still works for CNN, so Michelle is still like cutting
edge journalists, so you sill see her on CNN and
Entertainment tonight. But I feel like, you know, Kevin, Kevin
is like I always tell him there, um, I don't
know anybody in this world whose hustle is harder than
this one right here, And like when he's on his game,

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he's unmatched. He's the best entertainment host in the business.
And don't ever tell anybody I said that one moment
thing she's just saying that never got here. It again,
he's the best entertainment host in this business. We know.
He's an interesting thing about it because this whole year

(07:44):
has been so crazy with entertainment. You had the pandemic
and then you had the civil unrest, and and that's
why that's why the interview was interesting for me to
be a part of and talk to you about, because
you guys played it out right in front of us.
You saw the pandemic hit, and then you all the
civil unrest hit, and then you're seeing actors, Broadway shut down,

(08:05):
you're seeing movie things. California still shut down, a lot
of ways to shut down. How but you remain calm
like Chell, You have a brilliant smile, your eyes are active,
you know what I'm saying. And you guys play your
roles correctly because because because of Kevin, your stoic you're
that professional guy you know, lead your personality. So but still,

(08:27):
how did when when the walkway through these steps, the
pandemic hit, then George Floyd and where were you guys
that emotionally, I was still doing your job. I'm not
even gonna lie. I was broken. It was, it was,
it was and still is tough. I mean, you know,
we're we're taught and I don't know if you felt
this way keV Um because he is unflappable in a

(08:49):
lot of ways. But we are taught, you know, as journalists,
and we're both journalists to be right down the middle.
You know, you don't want to be You want to
appear unbiased, you want to just give the facts. But
when a situation like what happened this summer with the
Black Lives Matter movement and the murder of George I'm
gonna just gonna call it what it was, the murder

(09:11):
of George Floyd and everything that was surrounded that in
mo are very you know, the rise up again with
Brianna Taylor, so many things. UM, if we acted like
that didn't affect us, we were being we'd be liars.
You know, we are black folks first and foremost. And
I know I've had experiences, um, you know with racism

(09:33):
and then and and and inequality also in the workplace.
That it gave me UM an opportunity to have a
voice that I probably wouldn't have spoken up and spoken
out about things. So for me, I did a lot
of healing. I remember I was doing an interview with
UM with Porsha Williams. This was right in the beginning

(09:55):
of things. I was doing an interview about her decision
to step up and start uh oro testing and start
really using her voice in her platform. And I broke
down crying in the middle of the interview. And it
just because I couldn't, you know, it was I couldn't
do it anymore because I couldn't keep it together, and
here's what you have to understand about the whole situation.

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Months before that, a few months before that, Michelle went
to do an interview UM with Oprah and Michael Jordan
and Michael B. Jordan's the Netflix building and as she
came out, UM, she had this beautiful convertible and these
guys cut her off, and you know, she honked at him,
and when they came to stop, like one of the

(10:38):
guys got out, called her and word spit on her
and then drove off. And so tensions were already high
here because when she came back, we was like, let's
go find these you know, your first reaction is like, well,
let's go out that night. So what happened and I
was like, where are you? Let's go find these dudes
and let's go get them, you know, because that's your

(10:59):
natural reaction. But then you know you have to calm down.
But what settles in on you is the heaviness of
what happened and what occurred because you have someone who
is at the highest point of her career, someone who
is a professional, who is beautiful, who has done all

(11:19):
these things and all these accomplishments, and you still can't
escape the fact that you get into your car, you're
a hundred thousand dollar car, and someone gets down and
spits on you and calls you to m worst and
didn't try and you know, it reduces you to a
certain place that you never want to think it can,
but it does. And so like through that, I mean,
you know, people look at both Kevin and myself and

(11:43):
what level of success we have achieved, and it's wonderful
and we're both blessed for it. But we also do
a lot of like fighting and crusading and behind the
scenes of really trying to make a difference in our
little point, you know, corner of the world, to make
you know, change in our what our newsrooms look like,

(12:04):
the coverage that we do, the content that you see
on TV, those are you know, things that we work
on every single day. So it's an ongoing effort. You know,
it's on and people don't see that. A lot of
times I had some people saying to me, well, what
have you ever done for your community? Well, first of all,
don't ever please, don't please. I'm good. But you know

(12:30):
I said that to Kevin today. I want my respect.
It was my lebron moment. But um, but no, like
so it's still every day, you know, Rashawna. It's a
it's a battle. It's a battle, but it's a battle
that both of us and talking to each other say
we're ready for this. We've got the shoulders for it.
And I mean, Kevin is the leader of us here,
so we kind of all take direction for him. And

(12:52):
he's a fighter for folks of color. I mean he
just did you know, is we talk each other off
the edge. So that's good. That's good, I will tell you.
Because of the heaviness of what had happened before when
this happened, when the Georgia Floyd thing happened, we were
just like, whoa, this is crazy because it's just it

(13:15):
was so much and we were at home and so
we were separated, so we didn't have each other to
kind of sit down and talk to each other. And
my wife is from Minnesota, so it happened where she's from.
That was you know, there's that other thing like badass
attorney who is like the locust woman on the planet.
So I know Kevin was here and I was like, oh,

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to money making conversations. I'm your host, Sean McDonald. You
know the beauty of Like I said earlier, I started
the show Mary Hard John Tesh, I think Bob going.
And then then Kevin Frazier started seeing his face started
dropping in periodically, you know, and then it became a regular.

(15:26):
I didn't know he was a regular kind of regular,
but I saw him a lot. And then I guess
I gotta tell you guys about entertainment that is so important,
that iconic music when he started do you know? You know?
And Kevin, I gotta tell you man a lot of times.

(15:46):
You just being a representative of us is so just
seeing you it's important to my daughter, to me. And
then the share when you came on for entertainment tonight
that allowed me to see two you guys attractive boss
for articulate and still the show's ratings maintained status still

(16:07):
as a global presence. I just want to let you
know that just keep doing your job, because your job
enables me to do my job, and that is all
we wanna do. Is I've been when the George Floord
thing happened. A lot of my white friends called me
and they said, is it really like that? I said yeah.

(16:29):
I always said I had never heard from so many
of my white friends that's me. Is it really like that?
I said yeah. It said, how do you do it?
I said, That's just part of the process, you know,
I said, you you get up, you deal with it.
And I'm not comfortable when the policeman stops me. I'm not,
I said, but that's part of life. And when I

(16:49):
see the Black lives matters and I see white people
walking that and that's important to me, And that's important.
When I see you guys interviewing and doing your job
and interviewing white people is important to me. This is
not BT. I'm seeing you guys on, This is not
this is not TV one. You guys owned the global presence,
and when you're distributing in information and then I see

(17:10):
the Emmies this year being played out and seeing all
these African American talent being talk about that reaction to
the Emmys and the way it was done. It was
produced by my man, Original Hudling. You know what was
interesting about it is your your home, and it's it's
you know, it's Emmy's that are virtual. And so we're like,

(17:33):
I don't know, and so you're sitting there and you're looking.
We had a zoom with everybody that we work with,
and we're looking at what we want are I was
looking at all the people and so as you look
at all the people, you think about their families, their kids,
their houses, what they are doing, and and what it

(17:56):
takes for them just to survive, and how important this
moment is because us, this is something for everybody. So
when we want our Emmy, it was like it was
incredible because I felt so proud for those people, those
people that never you never see. I thought it was
an important moment. Yeah, and Gail King got to, you know,
give us our Emmy. So that was that was really

(18:17):
really great. But John, I think you you were also
talking about and this is important. This is these are
conversations that Kevin and I have often about having to
be the most well rounded people in the building. Um,
we have to be you know, there's the saying you
gotta work twice as hard to be considered half as good.
But we have to be so well rounded because you

(18:40):
you can't just be focused on quote unquote the black
celebrities or the black people or whatever like we do,
and you have to build relationships with everybody, which can
be tough. It can be tough, like Kevin always teases me,
because people don't know all the times I'm I'm as
country as country can be. Like I grew up on putry.

(19:01):
Are you turner? What do you say? How country are you? So?
I grew up on a pig farm, honey in y'all
don't understand. Like she could probably drive a tractor, she
could drive her car. Love driving a tractor. Knows country music,
So it always cracks me up when you walk down

(19:22):
on the set and she'll play some old school country
music on the it's just and it catches people by surprise.
I love watching people's reaction when she starts singing old
school country music and they're like, you know that George
straight now by the way he stopped loving her Today
is one of the best songs ever. It's so beautiful.
I wish some man would love me to day die

(19:44):
like that shot. I listen to you quote sad sad,
But the thing is, it's like, um, it just goes
to show you. And I think that we've been a
good representation of that because Kevin's like this techy, weirdo guy,
you know. I this black girl who loves country music,
who like you know, and and and hair bands like

(20:06):
from the eighties. I love bon Jovi, that kind of stuff.
But I love you know, I just love it all.
But I think that we're a good representation of how
black folks are not a monolith, you know what I'm saying,
and how Um, I think that we've gone a long
way to teach the people here that you can't judge
a book by its cover, because for a lot of
times you did like oh you, which sometimes feel like

(20:27):
my black people go into the black stories or whatever.
But now there's much more of a broad thinking because
it's like, oh, Michelle has a relationship with Tricia Yearwood
because that's what she likes, or you know, Kevin Fraser
Melissa McCarthy, that's his girl, Like you know what I'm saying.
So those things, I think you go a long way,
um to changing stereotypes and you know what I'm saying,

(20:48):
and just showing people that we can do all things
and we can be all things. And um, it's just
the same as if I was a blondhaired white woman.
I mean, people can take to me the same way,
so and and and as advice because I want people
to hear what she's saying. We can do insecure. I
can go see Kevin Hart. You just sat with Kevin Hart,

(21:10):
so that The Crown is actually my favorite show. But
The Crown, you know what I mean. And so you
can't you can't come up in here thinking well, I'm
gonna do what I know what. Everybody knows everything, and
so you have to be well. And that's why I
wanted to say. That's why it was important that you
heard me when I said, I'm not watching B E T.
I'm not watching TV on. I'm watching iconic individuals who

(21:32):
are carrying us to the next century. Being relatable, that's
the key. Relatable. But we look at this industry, you know,
we thought Tenant would draw people back into the movie
theaters under the domestic market. Didn't happen. Now the I
was interviewed to be from Last Game, they're nervous. They
don't know if the movies are gonna be ready and
Thanksgiving Christmas. So you guys got your ear to the ground.

(21:54):
What are we looking at? I think television. Tyler Perry
has shown us he can shoot a movie. He can
shoot Twitter by episodes in two weeks man on the planet.
People stop sleeping on Tyler Perry. He is the smartest
man on the planet. You know. It's um, I'm not
gonna like like what I miss most. I'm a movie head.

(22:17):
I miss going to the movies more than anything like
that was my I would go Saturday morning the very
first movie at Being there by myself just is the
best feeling ever to watch a movie on the big screen.
And I miss it so much. And if I'm being honest,
you know, I don't know what we're gonna get. I
just I don't know. I'd love to be optimistic, but

(22:39):
every time I am, I feel like, damn, what are
we gonna get next? But I'll tell you this, I
think that this time for movie makers is going to
be the greatest time ever because by going video on demand,
they get cut of what they're doing, so you will
see these people are making movies and stuff like that.
It's gonna hurt the theaters, but it doesn't hurt them

(23:01):
because they're the people are making the movies. Are studios
still green lighting these amount of movies? I mean, there's
a studio really gonna invest two hundred four hundred million
into a blockbuster if it's not Tom Cruise or Will Smith,
no doubt. But if if you are Will Smith, and
now you can make a movie like, for instance, the
movie that he's making right now about um uh little

(23:24):
I can't remember the name, but anyway, he's making a
movie right now. They just left to make a movie
now and Netflix paid them an insane amount of money
for an insane amount of money. So you're taking out
the the kind of equation where you have to hope
people go to the movies. These people are paying a
lot of money up front, or you can make your
money on video demand and people will sit at home.

(23:45):
I watched Annabellum the second it hit Video of the Man.
It probably would have taken me a week or two
to get there. Yeah. You interesting is that what Netflix
has done for me as far as black product is
that it premieres internationally. You know, when he premieres on Netflix,
it's in China, it's in Europe. Is in amazing because

(24:07):
you know, the rubbin Hollywood has always been black doesn't
sell globally, right, thank you, my son. It's selling like crazy.
They're like, whoa, y'all. Go back to Tyler Perry in
January or Fall from Grace twenty seven million views, shocked
the world. And then we went into the Pandemic and
it opened up, and the Five Bloods and all these

(24:29):
Jamie Fox movie they just came out was incredible. Can
just say, Delroy Lindo handed himself the Oscar? Come on,
come on, where he's cutting down the banana leaves? He
handed himself the Oscar. And if he does not get it,
y'all about to see me out here protesting beated. He

(24:50):
gotta get nominated. He gotta get nominate. I told dar Roy,
I said he's got he will be nominated. I mean,
he gotta get nominated. I know you don't the same
page with dear Orlando. He should get an Oscar nomination.
He should win an Oscar for that, solely based on
that one scene. They ripped him off from Malcolm X.

(25:10):
He never got his due with Malcolm. They owe him
one from Malcolm X. But this is not even a
makeup because he's brilliant. Movie. But I'm saying, well, I
get you, I get you. But he this isn't a makeup.
This isn't like the Denzel makeup because he should have
won the Hurricane and anyone training you know, this isn't
a makeup, Delroyd. There has not been a better performance

(25:33):
this year by a male in a movie, yes the movie, right, okay, okay,
has not a male in a movie than him in
The Five Bloods. What interesting thing about it is that
Mulan it went straight to Disney Busness and I told
us how much money they've made so far, at least
I've been looking. They've not told anybody how many millions

(25:56):
they made, charging people thirty dollars. It's been rumored that
if they get ten percent of their of their um
eighty million subscribers, then they can considerately go anywhere from
three hundred million dollars up. Like you said, Kevin, that's profit.
Oh they made They made the money because everybody watch
it on the first week it finally opened in China,

(26:18):
which is their market that they needed to open in. Right,
Bulan is showing you that like if you keep it
inside your streaming service and it makes it worth it.
Now for these streaming services to spend that kind of money,
they looked at and they said, oh, so we can
spend this kind of money. You have a blockbuster and
people will pay for it. I guarantee you very very soon,

(26:38):
and Marvel will start releasing everything straight to a stream. Well,
I mean, Disney is gonna try again with that with
Soul on Christmas. And by the way, Soul is going
to explode. It's going to explode. I predict Soul will
explode and Jingle Jangle will also be amazing. The only
thing I worry about, especially with Soul, is there are

(26:59):
there is a large community, a large part of the
community who isn't who doesn't have access to the Internet
and the streaming services that would flock to the theaters
to see that movie. But I will say this that
if you remember when there was a Motown explosion, it
wasn't black folks driving it. We had lived with Motown

(27:21):
our whole life, and then all of a sudden, you
watch the big chill and and they're everybody's like, everybody's like,
oh my god, we love we need some Motown music
of life, y'all. This is what my parents are playing
every weekend at my house. That's what I've been listening
to all my life. So I think that it will
once again bring that music that you love so much,
and you'll give the kids something to watch and people
will watch it over and over again. If you have
a young kid as a parent, you already own Disney

(27:43):
Plus because you're like, I can't have you sitting by
the TV enough right now. I think it'll go now, Michelle,
you said that your favorite show was Crown, Yes, right now.
In season four, I got a sneak peek. My favorite
show is Yellowstone. Okay, you know you know I'll be

(28:09):
telling telling my black friends, come on board, Come on board.
This is the show. Yellowstone is like a Western. Kevin
Costner is brilliant, the whole cast is crazy. The season
finale was a monster. I can't wait till next summer.
I'm mad. I don't get us, I don't get a
sneak preview and Kevin, I'm gonna tell you something. Kevin Costner,

(28:29):
even though he is a superstar, I still think he's underrated.
I think people give him the love he deserves with
you underrated series is it's it's incredible to see. That's
where I love streaming services because it provides those unique
level of programming that we would normally get. And that

(28:51):
is a jewel, That is a gym. Is that sitting
out there to wait? So any other shows before we
wrap that up? You feel a flying under the radar
that people need to know about, did you guys? Let
me let me just say this. Let me just say
it's okay. My problem is reality television and I like
trashy reality fiance nine other way. I don't do that.

(29:17):
I don't do those is crazy. Oh my god, it's
a great show on the planet. I can't get it.
I mean, I can sit down and they'll get me
caught in a loop and then I host Married at
First Sight all that because I love that. I mean,
I can't. I just it's the whole experiment of it all.
I can't get enough. But I think that if if

(29:39):
I had to say a scripted series that I love
the most, it's Insecure because that's the neighborhood I live in,
So it's the area where I live. She's a freaking genius.
She's a genius, and it's just it. Yeah she does
and what she does though, it just it doesn't me
off because she know just how much to give us

(30:02):
and then take it away and was sitting here like
killing me, killing me. This last season was brilliant, like yes,
I mean Insecure is like one in the Crown, maybe
one a for me right now? I mean, And because
the season of the Crown is Charles and Diana and
all that drama. Just I can't I can't wait for that.

(30:27):
I'm excited about Early and I can't wait for the Crown.
It's just it's so amazing. Um, there was a show
ex on Hulu. Did this show Mrs America that you
can go find on streaming? That is great. Banana is good.
Banana is good, and it's all about the women's liberation

(30:48):
movement and all the power players within that movement. It,
I mean, it blew me away. And I came to
the party late. Um, I came to Watchman later, but
I forgot about That's what I mean. People got about
Shirley Chisholm and Watchman. I mean Regina, Regina is can
we say, yeah, I'm doing my team, So I apologize,

(31:10):
but I want to say this and the other thing
that I have been telling everybody to watch is go
back and watch Reconstruction. Um it is a PBS Yes,
I did. And you need to understand what happened in
the United States because as we look at this moment
right now, a lot of people don't understand that there
was an opportunity to make this right and that we

(31:33):
as a nation said no and instead went down a
very different course pat us to Jim Crow and segregation
instead of going down a course where we could have
shared power. And there was shared power for a couple
of years and then everything went away. So I think
everybody needs to see Reconstruction so they can understand what
they took from people. And you can watch that PBS

(31:56):
documentary is I just recently watched it, like a couple
of months ago. It's so, so very good. But I'm like,
I'm a cooking show person. Oh my gosh, she cool.
Let me just say this one. I want to say
this right now, that it is offered to give me
money to cook for him every day, I have her cook.
I just said, Michelle, will you cook every day and

(32:17):
bring in the food and I'll just eat it. Here.
Her gumbo and her at to fe is off the chain.
She can make keto healthy candy and desserts. I'm just saying,
what if. Here's what I was gonna say. I'm talking about,
is the best show on television? Well it's on streaming

(32:39):
right now, but is the Great British Bake Off? It's
on Netflix and it is the best show on television.
Chef's Table? Yeah, incredible. Yeah that Rodney Scott interview and
TUTSI interview. Can I go? Can I go? Find? I

(33:01):
just want to sit at Totis table and you and like,
please please please eight team. It's been thirty minutes and
we're still talking. It's been thirty minutes and uh, the
great part about this Who relationship. We could continue talking,
but I I I can't let you go, ras Sean.

(33:23):
It's always a pleasure. And by the way, I know
what you and Steve and A are doing. Y'all doing
big things behind the scenes. You know stuff coming, it's coming,
it's coming, and I'm going to recognize that. It was
a lot to be able to recognize game. I know,
I know what's happening behind the scenes. I know what
you're doing. I know what you're doing. Well you know,

(33:43):
just aside, no man, my life is in such an
amazing place. And uh, I've just purchased a building in
Atlanta and just uh you know, my staff, and just
be talking to you guys and just talk about life
and from a black perspective on a major environment like
in ertainment tonight, which is an iconic I'm just telling you,
when I seriously say this, I'm proud of you guys,

(34:05):
and you guys make a huge that because America and
I shouldn't be here right now, you know. And I
see why because like you, you guys have a virtatial
palette of how you receive information, how you live your life.
So when I see you talking to different people, it's
not even out of the norm because you guys consume information,

(34:27):
crown outrageous reality shows. Then then I bring up Yellowstone,
You know about that. Then I know about the chef table.
You know about that. I've not bring up brought up
anything you didn't know about it. You know. I tell
everybody though, I treat entertainment because we are journalists. I
treat entertainment news like a beat. It doesn't matter if

(34:47):
we're talking about you know, um Azerbaijan. If we're talking
about um, you know, Kim Kardashian. If we're talking whatever
whatever it is, like that is your beat. So I
treat it like politics, sports, whatever, like you get up
every day. I read all of the trade, understand I
consume all the information, and you treat it. I will

(35:09):
walk in and she'll break some stuff down to me,
and I'll be like what I mean, like, break it down? Well,
I'm a nut like that too, And so you guys
have not I and I interview a lot of people,
and so you guys are what you do, your experts
of what you do, your beautiful people. And guess what
my goal now is to be interviewed on entertainment to night.

(35:31):
Come on all this stuff we're about to drop in
the fourth course, Kevin Kevin stuff happening with them. I
know about it. I know about it. You guys be safe.
Thank you for coming on, both of you guys, and
keep representing. I can't wait to see what McDonald and

(35:53):
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(37:23):
about the US justice system and factors that have resulted
in the over incarceration of minorities and the highest incarceration
rate in the world. And it just underscored to me
even need to work on criminal justice and policing issues,
and that's really what I focused on and and I
learned so much doing that, because when you're working on
policing issues and criminal justice, you really have to work

(37:43):
at the grassroots level until you get some victories going.
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(38:07):
money making Conversations. I'm your host Sean McDonald My next guest.
Pit Master Rodney Scott has been cooking whole hog barbecue
over with Coles since the age of eleven. Rodney is
featured in netflix acclaimed Chef Table series. It is barbecue
theme this season. In twenty nineteen, Rodney Scott opened his
second location in Birmingham, Alabama, The Ham. That's right, the Ham,

(38:28):
bringing the Whole Hall South Carolina style barbecue and his
fame famous vinegar based Rodney sauce to another part of
the South. Rodney Scott's Barbecue, Pitts, rib Cooks, Ribs, chicken, turkey,
and other classics like Cola Greens, cod slaw Ella's Banana,
putting honor Rodney's mother. In another outpost of Rodney Scott,

(38:49):
Whole Hall Barbecue is set the opening historic West End
of Atlanta, Georgia. You know, I can't wait. That's where
I'm based, with another in Birmanham. He's going back to
the Ham. He just loved the Ham. It is due
open later that year. He is all about the Whole
Hog Barbecue. Please working the money making conversations, my man,
Rodney Scott, Hello, Hello, about lots to say about you,

(39:17):
man and my son. So you know, I'm a fan
of just food. I'm a foodie. I'm blessed to become
proclaimed that's an award winning baker. So and every time
I look at food or desserts, especially cooking, and I'm
born and raised in Houston, Texas. So I know Bobby
que Bob in fact, my nephew. He has a he
has an award winning barbecue stand in Houston, Texas. He

(39:40):
cooks for the for the Houston Texas on the weekend.
He wanted the top box in the Houston, Texas. So
so you know when when he comes to barbecue, makes
his own sausage and everything. So so he's a military
veteran from the Army, So I'm so proud of what
he's accomlient. In fact, he called me like a few
minutes before this interview starting, and I felt that it
was it was it was ironic. He called me right

(40:00):
before I was about to start this interview with you.
So I saw the the Netflix special that's where That's
why I became in love with the brand of Rodney Scott.
So what is the brand of Rodney Scott before we
get started from your point of view? Uh, first of all, hello,
everybody out there, every day is a good day regardless

(40:21):
of where you are. Um, you know Rodney Scott brand.
It started. It's basically whole hog cooking, which is over
hot coals and it's and it's where we burn our
wood down, we turned in the hot coals. We take
the hot coals and put it under the hog and
we cook it for anywhere from eight to twelve hours,
usually around twelve hours. And uh, it's it's the whole

(40:42):
brand is about bringing people together, the inspiring people, you know,
through food and music. Music lover, I gotta admit, love
me some music. Now. With that being said, when I
when I watched these different barbecue shows, you know, it
seems like you guys don't do much to the meat
for to be great. You know, because I was talking

(41:03):
about the house man bibecure seems so complicated at my house.
But when I watch your TV, Rottney, just put that child,
Just put put the rub on it, put the vinegar
on it. Uh, smoke it and you're done. And then
everybody and then it just falls apart. Maybe because I'm
not doing the eight to twelve hours sessions. I'm trying
to cook mine in two hours is what's causing the

(41:23):
difficult problems. Obviously, create a little problem on the side
of the proteins. Depending on the side, you definitely want
to cook it a little while. Um, you know, you
run the different things. Uh, the way that we do
it at home. We we do sprinkle our rub on
and and and put put our ribs on for example.
But you know we don't go as hot and we're
trying not to go as fast. About three and a

(41:45):
half four hours on those ribs, just an example. You know,
some of the mistakes that people tend to make when
when they sometimes are cooking, you know, at home. Right then,
talk to me, Talk to me, Rodney, you're talking to me.
Come on, you can personalize that. Rous this is your problem.
So so here's what you do. You have fun with it.
You keep that confidence that you start out with, and
you have fun with it. You know, don't be afraid

(42:06):
to make that mistake. So don't don't brush it, enjoy it,
smell of flowers while you're moving along, you know, don't
have a drink or to enjoy yourself while you're doing it.
That'll make it a lot easier than having a pressure
on what it's gonna taste like when it's done. Now,
this isn't a big difference because I'm just uh, let's
talk about the Netflix series what I saw you on? Now,

(42:28):
how did that happen? And how were you chosen? Wow?
You know, I think we're chosen by word of mouth. UM.
One of one of my co workers that was with
us the day that I met the guys, I was exhausted.
I was out in California cooking. I was exhausted, didn't
really remember a lot. And uh, we spoke to some
guys and you know, I'm my usual self talking and

(42:51):
and later on she mentioned to me, she said, you
know that those guys are connected with Netflix. I'm like, oh, wow, man,
I'm excited to hear that. And uh, I think it
was word of mouth that said that I was easy
to work with and they wanted to do something. I'm like,
really sure, And before you know what, I got the
call Netflix was coming in and like, yeah, how long

(43:14):
did they follow you? How long? What was the time
When it was just several days a day, A couple
of weeks to do that whole special, put it all
together that they could gather, to shoot the content and
the back story to pull that pull that episode off.
To pull that episode off, it took us a total
of two weeks. UM. It was two weeks hard work.
It was a lot of fun. Oh man, those guys

(43:36):
were so much fun to work with. UM. It was
interesting to tell the story of barbecue, something that's so
important to the South. It was it felt good for
me to be able to tell that story through chef's
table and and to let the world see that barbecue
is is something more than just things some people do
in their backyard, you know, to be to be on

(43:56):
the same level it's fine dining. To be mentioned on
that same level, man, that is huge, huge, And it
felt good taping with these guys to tell that story.
What you're doing, and I can tell it's one thing
about me I would like I said earlier. I'm born
and raised in Houston, Texas, where you know, I grew
up in a black neighborhood. So barbecue is kind of

(44:16):
like a writer passage. You know, barbecue. When you're good barbecue,
you really are the king of the neighborhood, you king
of the family. You know, you you you have a
certain honor. You know, you know he can cook because
everybody cannot cook barbecue because they you know. So tell
me this, Rodney, what what makes a good because you
kind of talk about a little bit earlier, what makes

(44:38):
a good barbecue person? And what makes a person like me,
who shouldn't be even near barbecue because I'm impatient. I
wanted I want to I want to cook it like
a burger. You know, I want my ribs down like
a burger. Yeah, I know that impatience. So what what
what makes a good barbecue person is? First of all,
like I said, have fun with it. Try to enjoy it,
you know, trying not to carry any pressure is going in.

(45:00):
And you definitely want to make sure that your timing
is right. You gotta have some patience when you're doing
it as well. When you tend to rush it, it's
gonna either be undercooked or it's gonna just be tough
and you won't enjoy it. So you want to you
want to have some patience and have some fun and
and and make sure you got a flavor that fits
your palette that you really really like, and and just
show it. Man, take your time and do it, because

(45:23):
you know you're in the story. You're going and you've
got the little cold, a little black holes you can
get and then I see the wool, you know, talking
about the hickory, and and a different different flavors that
come if you want to smoke it, because I got
it all. I got the egg, you know, I got
that because my dad when he was growing up, he
get the barrel and cut it out and then cut
in half. You know that was my dad. Then you
know I'm fast. I got a little money, so I

(45:44):
got the egg and all that good stuff. So I
got the twols, the bibe que. I just don't have
the patience the bibe que. And so so does it
make a different, big difference. Like when I watched watching
your TV. It's just it's just so dramatic that you
know you're in this room with all these pits and
all these hogs. How many? How many others? Can I
call them ovens? Uh? What do you call those things

(46:06):
that you cook? The whole hogs? And what do they call?
I call them pits? You know some people call them smokers.
You know, everybody has a different terminology. But I call
them pits. And uh, in in our in our Charleston restaurant,
we have five of them that we use. And how
much does how many hogs go on each pit? And

(46:28):
and uh, two hogs can fit in our Charleston restaurant
right now on each pit? And in our Birmingham restaurants
are our pits are not quite as big as two hogs?
So you can get about a hog, maybe a hog
and a half if you're lucky on the ones in Birmingham,
and we have four down there. So and how many
pounds are we looking at a hog? Hundred seventy hundred,

(46:51):
fifty hundred seventy pounds average. Every now and again we
may get something around two hundred pounds, you know. Yeah,
well that's a lot of protein cooking at one. So
you gotta have patients and enjoy the ride. That's where
the music comes in. Absolutely. And I tell you so
that our country I was. My dad man used to
take me the country and we you know, shoot a hog,

(47:11):
you know, and we come back and you know, we
bring it back with hog head cheese. We got the
children's you know, we got the ham. You know that
hog when he came, we pig feet. We did everything
on that hall right at that that that hog didn't
walk out that house. You know what I'm saying. He
walked in my house. He was. The knuckles were gone,
the tails were gone, the feet, the ham, Like I said,

(47:34):
the chidlings. And if anybody who's ever done chillings at
their house know what I'm talking about. That house ain't
nothing right to go into okay, it's not right okay,
because you gotta go in there and clean out them
in tests. And the testings are for rape for real,
as they say, Hey, come on, my man, right there?
Do you do your chidings with white white rice? What

(47:58):
do you need your hot sauce? Oh? Man, we had
the lady that used to make it for us, miss Margaret.
He used to throw down and presh chent links with
a little bit of gravy and onions and hot man down.
See that's that's that's the country talk. See Rody. And
if you're not ready for this card, I'm sorry you

(48:19):
tune in on Money Made Conversation. We went deep on
this because see when he didn't blink what I said,
we're cleaning the hogs in the bath tub. He didn't blink,
say because you know exactly that the intestines. He knew
exactly what I'm talking about. That's what you gotta do.
You just can't eat dirty and testines. You know you
can't do that, otherwise you gonna get you. You have
to clean them and the real good. But then he

(48:40):
turned around and said, that's good eating. So that's good. God,
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I'm your host, Sean McDonald right there. Now, here's the
deal about this man. You know, you know, you're the
first black chef to win the James Beard Award for
Best Chef in the Southeast and only the second barbecue

(50:03):
pit master to any chef award from the Foundation. And
that's what you were talking about earlier when you're saying
that you know, the elevation of barbecue to that as
a fine dyning couisine. It's what you're talking about as
far as the pride factor. So let's talk about the
whole James Beard and how that works and how you

(50:25):
brought into the opportunity to the win Best Chef Southeast.
Well Man, that the James Beard Award is prestigious award.
I mean for years. And the first time I went,
I was I went as a guest, and uh, I
thought it was the most amazing thing to see so
many people around food and and when I came back
home to the country, the next thing that I thought

(50:46):
about was I would love to get up there one day.
But me being in a rural area at the time,
the only thought I had was I'm I'm gonna create
a mental James Beard Award if I get a guest
that comes too, and three times that will be my
can walk across that stage. So it was always a
dream like that, you know, for me. And then it
got to the point where we opened the restaurant here

(51:08):
in Charleston in in two thousand and seventeen, and and
and then the next thing, you know, we had a
nomination and I'm like, wow, how do you get nominated? Well,
to get nominated, somebody has to mention it and and
it goes before a committee of people that you don't know,
and you don't know who's watching you. So from the
first nomination, I felt not only proud, but I felt

(51:28):
the the obligation to deliver great food, to deliver consistent
food across the board every day until this announcement comes.
Then we made the finals and I'm like, wow, we're
we're up here walking with us, walking with the big folks,
you know, do this thing on the higher. Let's dress
up phone. So now it's time to go to Chicago

(51:52):
for the finals. And and you gotta get your tuch cedo,
you gotta get yourself together, and um, you know, I was, man.
I was just happy to go and to hear your
name called with all of these great, great, great chefs
throughout the country, you know, and to be in a
rare group of one of the few minorities that's been
announced that year. It felt so amazing. Man, it was surreal.

(52:16):
I still can't believe it. And that was two thousand
and eighteen. That's yeah, I'll never forget man. Wow, May
two thousand eighteen, and uh, I remember when they called
our category and they called my name. I didn't hear it.
And everybody on my road had to tell me to
get up. You know, my wife's my my my business partner,

(52:36):
my brother Nick, Paul and Nicholas, all these guys they
always travel with me. That's my family. And they had
to tell me, get up, man, get up, you want
and you want what what? So that walked to the
stage was one of the most longest walks I've ever taken.
It was, I was. It was unbelievable. I was like, oh, please,

(52:56):
don't wake up before you get to the stage, because
I thought I was dreaming mm hmm. But man, to
to get up there and to have that metal put
around your neck, to be mentioned with like I said,
some of the best chefs in the in the United States,
in the world. Just to be mentioned on that level,
Man was unbelievable. Well, first of all, you look good,
and you look good and tucked. Man, you look at

(53:17):
you dressed up nice man from that apron and that
T shirt. You look good. Billy Reid when they look
at really good, well, you know that. The thing about
I've been fortunate Rodney didn't live in Houston, Atlanta, New York, uh,
Los Angeles, and Chicago. Chicago is a food lover's town.
It is that city right there is you walk in

(53:40):
that city if you want to get a good meal,
I don't care if barbecue, Mexican food, Italian food. Of course,
pizza that's what it's known for. Hot dog, that's what
it's known for. But that's a food lover's town. And
to the honor and a food lover's town is even
even more great and they get win a award like that.
So what did that win in that award in teen
do for your brand? Man? Winning that award in twenty

(54:02):
eighteen got my brand not only more recognition, but it
brought us a lot more opportunity to to to go
and spread our love all over the place. You know,
we traveled throughout the United States doing different events because
people heard of us through the award. We got a
chance to let people see whole hog cooking, even down
in Houston. You know, we we we cook. I remember
cooking in Houston a couple of hogs and one guy

(54:24):
came up and asked me, was it dear because they
were so used to be but you know, yeah, so
just the Beard Award got us recognized to the point
where we were able to do our things in different
parts of the United States and be recognized and people
knew what to expect and to be so respected through
our food. When it's barbecue. You know, a lot of

(54:46):
people look at barbecue is a simple backyard thing. But man,
the Beard Award changed that whole outlook for us because
it struck a lot of people's curiosity to say, this
is Beard Award winning barbecue. I have to go and
taste it. My man, I'm gonna tell you something. You know,
Uh now, how did the you know, when the middle
of the pandemic and COVID ninteen and over the divertly

(55:08):
affect African America, But more importantly, the country shut down
for almost two months and nobody saw that coming. So
how did it effect how you are doing business today
and what's the recovery process for you in the future.
First of all, you know the pandemic is. It was
pretty pretty scary, man, it still is. And and the

(55:28):
first thing we did was we we tried to protect
our staff, our families, um and and we we we
started to communicate every day my PRG Restaurant group. We
communicated every day on the phone with all the CDC
rules and everything that we can do to adjust how
do we keep the public fed without putting them at risk?
And we we kept in communication following CDC rules. We

(55:51):
we created sanitation lists and rules. We held all of
our managers and everything obligated to making sure sanitation is
done hourly throughout the rest run. And we we had
a drive through at our Charleston restaurants, so when dining
rooms got shut down, we were able to serve food
through our through our drive through to still feed people

(56:13):
that were still able to come out. And then and
the frontline workers and emergency workers that were out there,
they were still able to eat. So not only that
barbecue travels well, so you get us, you get an
opportunity to reheat a little bit without destroying the quality
of the food. So that helped a lot of families
and and and first responders. You know, we offered discounts

(56:36):
to to them so they can feed their families. Our
staff members that we weren't able to keep on staff,
we offered them a couple of hours a day to
come get food. So we just continue to work. We
we we we thought about our staff. We weren't out
to make money. We're out to just maintain the best
we can to protect our people well. And and and

(56:58):
I'm so happy to I just wanted you to share
that story because that's part of you know, when you're entrepreneur,
a lot of people forget that you're human being too.
And then you have people who count on you, and
then when they're in the moment of distress, you know
your or stressed, you have to be there for them
and then but not leave them out there. And also
your community, like you said, all for discounts and things

(57:19):
like that. And but that's what that's what heard a
lot of black businesses. And you know, because you're the
lead entrepreneur in this business, we were not set up
for the technology. We are not generally set up for
the drive throughs. And so when the pandemic hit, it
really affected uh minority business is overall because they were
not They did such business, you know, dying in business.

(57:40):
That's how they made their money. Wasn't ready for the
curb fide when ready for those elements of of change.
But the thing that really affects me is that when
I saw your special on Netflix, it was so human.
Now we saw how the James Beard affected your business.
That that Netflix series The Chef Table had to be

(58:00):
on fire for your brand. Now I'm tasting man. When
you when you when you did that story about it,
you know, you were celebrating, uh, your high school graduation,
and that girl came over you said, I don't know
why you celebrating. All you're gonna do is go down
the street and chop a hall for a living. And
then your dad woke you up at midnight. He told

(58:20):
me right after that told me, I walked away from
her over to him and he said, you gotta be
at the pit that left it and I'm like, what,
so you know it it's all very very true, And
it was it was it was it was heartbreaking to
a teenager coming out of high school. You know what,

(58:42):
I can't have fun tonight. But you know, I never
I never forgot the moment I can take you to
the very spot. I stood what that girl said, what
she said to me, and I never let that escape
my mind because I knew that I'm gonna stay determined.
I'm gonna prove her wrong. And and and every day,
not one day goes by. I think back to that
moment when she said, I don't know why you ain't

(59:03):
going nowhere, And I'm gonna go right on down the
street and chop up me for living. That's all you
ever gonna be at meat chopping. That's all you were saying.
And then but when when you but but that was
one of the moments. That was several moments, and that
when you was out there with your son, it was
just several great emotional moments. When I because you know,
because they give you an option. You know what happens

(59:24):
is on Netflix they do a trailer and I'm sitting
up there with my wife and because another person that
told me about the chef tables, you gotta wat chef
that was really good. That's okay, cool, so the trailer
came on, I watched. Now they went through everybody and
I went riding this God, I said, man, I gotta
this looks pretty. So you was the first one I watched,
and I was like, my mom was dropped, my mouth dropped.

(59:46):
I went, wow, Wow, I love this dude. I love him.
He's he's on. You know. It was just it was
just your story was compelling, your the family aspect, your
relationship with your dad, your mom coming up, you know,
getting news story. In no words, you didn't This is
what I like about you, right, You didn't ask for
any of this, but when the opportunity presented itself, you

(01:00:09):
went forward. Man, you were not intimidated by an opportunity.
And a lot of people are like that. And that's
why I always tell people on this the show, because
the fact that a lot of you have to walk
through a lot of unknown to be successful. When I
say that, I mean that they're no guarantees, and your
story is walking through a lot of unknowns to be
where we are today talking about your success. Correct correct, correct, correct?

(01:00:32):
You know a closed doll, don't get fed. I'm someone
finding that all the time. Tell Nick that all the time.
A closed mouth, don't get fed. If you don't open
up your mouth and say what you want, that opportunity
is not gonna be there for you. You know, you're
just gonna let it pass you by if you don't,
if you're not gonna, you're not willing to step out
on faith and do your thing and stay stay consistent

(01:00:53):
and persistent. You you know you can. It can clip
right by past you, and I refuse to let anything
slip past me. You don't. Now you're about to comment,
because I want to get to comment on people's reaction
to the Chef Table specialist Aaron on Netflix after they
saw it. What has been the reaction? Out of this world?

(01:01:14):
The reaction, let me tell you the It released at
three am Eastern Standard Time on September second, for thirty
I think I had messages on my phone. I had
messages from Australia. I had messages from uh Russia, Rue, Germany, Switzerland,

(01:01:34):
the UK, and and and everything on Instagram. The message
requests they've they've been out of this world. And and
by the way, I'm not ignoring your request. I'm trying
to get to him. I'm trying, but it's been out
of this world. Sales at the restaurant line out the door.
People have been people have shown so much love, they

(01:01:56):
have been grown men and women approached me with tears
in their eyes. Old my story, you told my story.
We're gonna do the same thing. Uh. Weird, weird calls
at times, and you don't know me, but I got
your number from such and such and I They would
say the first name, but they would just say how
much the story touched their lives. It's it's been unbelievable

(01:02:20):
all the way around, you know, business wise, personal wise,
and and it inspired so many people to come out
and say that they're having tough relationships with their families
and they want to do something about it. So it's
it's been. It's been over over the top, man, it's
been absolutely great. I'm enjoying every second of being able
to see somebody and say that you helped me, you

(01:02:41):
change my life. I'm gonna tell you, man, my father
was a truck driver, kind of like your father. You know,
this way it's gonna be. This is why I've been,
this is the way we've been doing. This way it's
gonna be. And this is why it's gonna be. After
I leave this Earth because that's where he set the
rules in place. And so I just I'm gonna tell you, man,
I watching the show, and it's just speaking honest, is that? Uh?

(01:03:03):
I just Rodney Scott brand. I fell in love with
the family man, I fell in love with the son.
I fell in love with the entrepreneur. I fell in
the the I don't give up spirit. I'm not afraid
to try something new. I'm not afraid to travel. I'm
not afraid to understand that God has something in store

(01:03:25):
from me. And when it comes to me, I'm gonna
be waiting and I'm gonna put the work in to
make sure it happens. That's what people saw in that story, man,
And it's just one of the great great um individual
moments of watching something on television. You're going, this is
great storytelling because they told your story, right, they really did. Yeah.

(01:03:46):
That that story of my life, man, And and I
just hope that everybody that watches it learn from it
and stay inspired by it. You know, don't don't feel
don't feel down because things are not happening to you
the way that you wanted to. You know, your turn
coming just sits now. My turn is coming because you're
supposed to be coming to Atlanta here with some boby
que My brother tell us about the expansion talk and uh,

(01:04:07):
how's everything going down in the ham and uh? And
why is there a desire to expand the brand? Man?
The desire to expand the brand has been a childhood dream. Um.
I heard I heard T. D. Jake say the Colonel
have chicken and he got so blessed and it spread
all over the world and I said, we got hugs,
and Uh. To expand the brand man was was the

(01:04:30):
personal dream. And Uh, me and Nick, we we talked
a lot about expansion and he asked me and I
told him, and Atlanta was one of the stops. And
I'm excited to come to Atlanta. I remember reading about
Atlanta in the eighties and Everny magazine that city was
growing so fast and I was like, wow, man, Atlanta,
where is that? You know? And finally got an opportunity
to be a part of it. And I'm excited about Atlanta.

(01:04:52):
Birmingham as well. We're coming into Birmingham expanding that the
That place is just one of the most beautiful cities
I've ever seen. It's it's a city, but it feels
like a small town. You know, you still receive a
lot of love. You can feel a love in that area.
And and and I just I drive to Birmingham all
the time and not just for work, and I just

(01:05:13):
loved the area. Well, I gotta get your more boar
Ricky smile. That's Rickie smiling country there, Burma. That's big Hey.
I gotta put him on the radio show. But we
get smiling man. He probably don't know you in the hand.
I gotta, I gotta hook this up, man, because my
own thing is that is that is as a brand
and watching you grow as a as a business year
James Beard Award winner, you know your your barbecue's outstanding.

(01:05:37):
You're expanding that. Tell us a little bit about your partner.
You mentioned his name several times because he was really
key until you becoming the brand that you are today.
And how did that relationship come about? That relationship relationship
with my partner, my brother came about in two thousand,
I think it was ten nine or ten. We met
and uh, we're introduced by mutual friends and and we

(01:05:59):
we did an event together called the Smoke Downer here
in Charleston for Charleston Wine and food. And that night
we talked and I said, this, dude's really funny. Man,
you know the great conversation. Seems to be a smart businessman.
And we just we we formed a relationship from the
first night that I did this event up into the
current day. You know you're talking about this is my

(01:06:21):
best man at at my wedding. You know, this is
the guy if I need to talk to somebody, I
can call him up. And he mentioned these opportunities to
me and I'm like, yeah, you know, dude, I know you.
I've seen your hard work, I've seen your efforts. I've
seen your success, and yeah, I guide me showby tell
me what you know and I'll tell you what I know.

(01:06:43):
And together, man, we we we learned from each other constantly.
We listened to each other constantly. He shows me things,
I showed him things, and we're constantly talking and communicating.
And he's been a very very big part on me
opening the first Ridingey Scott here in Charleston, right right
down the street. Well, you know, my whole thing is that, um,

(01:07:04):
you're a pit master. You're a keen pitt master. If
you haven't seen the special on Netflix, it's called the
Chef's Table. Um, they have a trailer, they have a
number of other really good episodes, but I'm only here
to talk about Rodney Scott. That's the episode change my
my take on what it means to bobbecue. And I
know a lot of great bobbycue My boy Kevin Blood,
so he's my boy out of l A less bobbecue

(01:07:27):
you got, but nephew down in Houston, Texas, he's a
bad bobecue. But Rode this guy. Neither one of them
are James Beard Award winning pit Masters. Okay, congratulations my brother,
and uh, you know when you come to Atlanta, you
know we're gonna keep this relationship going and all that
and everything. But again, I just wanted to bring you
on my show, My Money Making Conversation, tell your story.

(01:07:48):
We're gonna promote this a lot and get the word out.
Do you have do you do you ship your meat
or do you shipping your food or it's everything just
at the stores. We're not shipping right now. Everything is
at the stores. We're shipping our retail products. Were um,
we're shipping our sauces, our t shirts, has our rubs,
we're shipping those right now. And Uh, we're we have

(01:08:09):
a book coming out spring one, Um, Rodney Scott's World
of Barbecue. Every Day is a good day. Uh, that's due.
You can pre order that on Amazon and uh we
we we were excited to share what we got with
the world. Right now, you have to come and see us.
But hey, we're working on You're trying to put one
in your back. You know you and you in Australia,

(01:08:29):
man in Russia, they won't want something besides a little
T shirt there by friend, But again, but get you
always got me excited about that songs because you know
your boy don't know nothing about no Bob ques. So
at least I can start with that song and that
rub that you're selling down there and get that right
on my meat and we can get rollers and dude,
at least get that egg working right and then then

(01:08:50):
take my time, take my time, take my time. Yeah,
take your time on that egg, take your time back
the top about halfway and get that baby at about two.
Kids love talking to an expert. Roddy, thank you for
calling money making conversations. I appreciate if you enjoy the interview.
Man to our mind, my next guest and Walker on
Musa is a black woman working in a white man

(01:09:13):
world dominated. She's a startup. I'm telling I've done several
interviews on Money Making Conversation and they said, you gotta
speak to and Walker. That's a big to him. She's
the next level, next level. So we're gonna find out.
She is the vice president and chief creator at the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Walker as a
music level, a contemporary bohemian with an old soul. I mean,

(01:09:36):
that's that's young people. You know, you've ever been around
young pie coming room and go. Maybe she teamed, but
she talked like she forty. That's that's but you know,
we'll talk to her. We're talking like she like she
Secily Tyson, that's what she We're actually gonna be interviewed
Secily Tyson on the show The Day. That's our soul,
that's our spirited and she is in the nanties at
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And Walker develops
informative immersive exhibits celebrates the diversity of musical oppression during

(01:10:00):
this period of civil unrest. Music has this role, especially
from a historical specter. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations
and Walk Up and woosaw is that right? Up? Once
you get past the name, we're all good and up.
Come on. Oh my gosh, I'm honored to me. This

(01:10:24):
is crazy. Just listening to the intro, I'm like, damn, alright.
But I have been like you know, and I've interviewed.
I've been fortunate and blessed with the show because I've
been doing it and interviewed a lot of great people.
And when the name starts popping up, if you didn't
interview and walk up, man, she on fire. I said, okay, cool, okay,
But then everybody kept you know know she you know

(01:10:44):
she got that old spirit, you know she you know
she's young, but she talked like about you know, she
tells about that old who soul and this young body
and talk about that and why people why people are
are so engaged with your person. Now, I know that's
that's a lot to say, because you know, your your

(01:11:05):
spirit wasn't was designed to just talk about yourself. But
when people talk about you, you have to be delivering
something to them that made them excited and made them
respectful to make you a recommendation. That's all you wanted.
If you want people to recommend you, to that's like
a good that's like a credit reference, right, So credit
reference right, So talk about it being the vice president

(01:11:28):
chief curator because I'm that's a big word, curator. We're
gonna get to that word in a minute. But just
tell me why people think so much of in Waka.
Oh my god. Well, I again honored m to be
on this call and to be speaking with you. UM,
I you know what, I'm just gonna leave it as
UM it's a guiding me. I'm just gonna leave it

(01:11:49):
at that because I don't have the full answer for that.
But UM, I know I'm passionate about my work. And
I can definitely blame that on my parents. UM, both
my mom and dad hard workers, entrepreneurs, UM, very strong
work ethic, and that is what powers me. That's what
feels me. So you know, I'm all about the work

(01:12:11):
and let's just get it done. And UM having an
opportunity to create and put out different, um, a number
of different exhibits with different varying topics. UM, you know,
probably that's what people are feeling. But definitely the passion.
So I'm sure that that's what folks are feeling. And
music really is about passion. I know that I didn't.

(01:12:34):
I didn't I couldn't read, but I knew that I
knew my mom's favorite music. That's boy he can't read.
But you know about Johnny Taylor because I knew that
I could just see the words that get put on that.
So I didn't know that said Johnny Taylor, but I
knew those are the words you put together. That was
my mom and dad's favorite music. And so because music
plays that role and it means so much to us,
what does it mean to you? Gosh, music is definitely

(01:12:58):
a lifeline. Mus what you said, you don't have to
speak the same language, you don't need to read. Um.
Music is just one of those things where you know
you are, you are moved the power of music. We
hear these slogans, um, and it can sound cheesy at times,
but to truly feel the power of music, I'm gonna
makes you cry, dance, laugh, I want to hit somebody.

(01:13:21):
I mean, you got you got all kinds of range
of emotions. But music is just so powerful and I
love that. That is truly the universal language. It really
is what connects us. It doesn't matter where you from,
what walk you're walking. Um, that's what I love about music.
I mean the messages that are just in the in
the music. That's what this is inspiring to me. Even

(01:13:43):
it's really interesting that, you know, because I look at
my life, you know, and uh, you know, I look
at how music has played a role and degrees in mathematics,
and I can always remember a radio is important to me.
And and then as I was too on the road
and stand up comic, are certain song who just keep

(01:14:03):
me awake, you know, keep me Bruce Hornsby's at that
first album he put out, the Grace Land by Paul Simon,
you know those those songs, uh, you know. And and
now I got my Pandora, and I've just got if
you listen to my Pandora. I got from Kim to
Kirk Franklin to h to uh to uh Bruce Springsteen,

(01:14:27):
you know, to you know that that to me. And
then I got you know, flow ride of my House.
You know what I'm saying. I got you know, I rise,
you know all your damn you know what I'm saying.
So and so that's to me. When I listened to
my when I when I go through that whole realm,
I got Patty on there and and I just go

(01:14:49):
and I got I got Willie Hut show there. You know,
it's just it's just, it's just, it's just it's so important.
And then when you create a creator the rock and
Roll Hall of Fame, that's like the mecca where every everybody,
every artist who's gun music wants to get there, like
the Basketball Hall of Fame, like the they want to
get there, right and you want to get airp and curator.

(01:15:13):
Explain that, Explain that role, and then explain if there
are pressure, what is the pressure being that person? You know,
I I'm still pinching myself. So this is a recent
promotion that happens for me as the rock hall. And again,
just to be a curator to your point, withere Sean,
as you were saying, just to even work at the

(01:15:34):
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and um be a
curator there, really, I mean it was a dream. I
didn't even know. I had to be quite honest, you know,
So to be there, I mean we are running the narratives.
Were as curators what curators do. We're writing the stories.
We are the storytellers. You know, you have filmmakers who
are sharing stories, you have novelists who are sharing stories.

(01:15:55):
Will curators tell that story in the physical space, regardless
of it's an art museum to a music museum, And
so I'm happy to be there to shift UM the
narratives to UM provide even more inclusion about amazing musicians
and you know, and just to do that work. So
it really is my citadel. I watched the Game of

(01:16:17):
Thrones and I just really I'm honored, like it's my
I feel like I'm a mister in the citadel. Like
it's just such an honor. The collection UM is just
beyond dope. I mean, going over jeez, over thirty thou
forty thousand different artifacts collected UM. They're so impactful of
musical history UM, to the fabric of who we are.

(01:16:39):
I mean, there's you know, I'm kind of going all
over the place. I'm just excited about the thing about
it is that no you're not because you were. You
walk in and you and heaven. You know, it's like
it's actor no different than I'm sure when they put
the African American Museum together. There's so many writings and
its cry so made you emotional, song made you. I

(01:17:01):
can't believe this. I didn't know. And that's why I
started our conversation just talking about music in general, because
you can't have this job being a singular thought person.
You know, I just like country, I just like a rock,
I just like rap. You have to have a palette
of music. That's like I was talking about, you know,

(01:17:23):
like I said, I'm a toothpod guy. You know what
I'm saying. You know, but I listened to Snoop too,
you know, I know, like I said, a great selt
the album. You know, you can call me al. I
can just remember that video or Chevy Chase and Paul Simon,
like is playing on TV right now today. You know,
you gotta be born in the USA, you know, you know,

(01:17:44):
you got to be able to understand that's just some
of the songs, but it's even deeper than that. And
so that's what you're being, you know, a person of color.
People can question whether you should be in that position, absolutely,
you know, I will. I mean a number of experiences, UM,
but one of them rings out so potently for me.

(01:18:06):
I've started my career, my curating career, UM, a museum
career for that fact, at the Grammy Museum in Los Angeles,
and UM, you know, there was an exhibit specifically. I
remember it right now, what's called the Sounds of Laurel Canyon,
California Dreaming and that you know, you're talking about Buffalo
Springfield and Joni Mitchell, and I mean you're hitting on

(01:18:29):
all of these really phenomenal bands, um, predominantly white bands, um.
And you know, doing my research knowing the photographers who
were the key players with this movement. But I remember,
I will not forget there was a writer who came
in and like, you know, number one, they were looking
for Waka. My name is kind of ambiguous, so like

(01:18:50):
who is Waka? Where is she? I'm never looking for
a Japanese woman. One that was already that was like okay,
now I'd be black, um, and why not know him
as Japanese? Got to be Japanese. That's so hey, we

(01:19:13):
all connected from the continent. So they're looking for a
Japanese woman, um, and they find out that I'm black,
and so the feedback was just like damn um while
and so even to your intro, like, wa, so you've
curated this Laurel k And exhibit and you're black. And
I was about thirty or twenty nine or something at
that point, Okay, there we go fifty in spirit and

(01:19:42):
that's when that came out, and that's how that was manifested.
But yeah, I mean it's just you know, I like,
I like I like having an ambiguous name. I like
if people can't tell if I'm a male or female
or you know, like, I love that. Um, just lets
the work speak for itself. So they aim not knowing,
oh I was a black woman. Um. They came because hey,

(01:20:03):
this is a dope topic and it's timely for that time,
you know, for that period. Um, but let's just check
it out. But yeah, yeah, let's just check it out
because this is interesting. It's really amazing when I you know,
when I say that, I find so much fun. You know,
first of all your energy and you came so you know,
so I know the people I talked to that they
have personalities and they're very opinionated people. When they say, man,

(01:20:26):
you need to talk to she's your fire. So we
just stocked. Can we can interviewing you? I gotta hit
it all that out, Okay. So yeah, so when when
I look at when I look at you, you said
you started at the Grammy Museum. Okay, tell us about
your you know, because the people want to know how

(01:20:47):
you get these gigs? You know, what did you? Can
you sing? Can your your spoken word? Artists? Can you
play an instrument? Once you agree? When did you go
to college major in music or art? What are those
key things that got you in this position after the
Grammy Museum and now at the Rock and Roll Hall
of Fame as the vice president and curate. Chief's a

(01:21:11):
c C at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Just keep people just see her? Who's that the chief curator? Okay,
oh my god? Well the longest short um is essentially
I just will say is my title thing is just
stepite out of your comfort zone. Um. I had no idea. Again,

(01:21:33):
I'm a daughter of an immigrant mother from the South,
like I had no idea what a curator was. So
that was not my initial aspiration. Nor did I truly
understand the the impact of museums, you know, at a
younger age for someone to say, hey, you know, I'm
going in as a back you know, as an undergrad

(01:21:54):
with museum studies, it was not. That was not me. Um.
So again my passion just for music in general, not
having access to it because I grew up in a
very Pentecostal home where we were only listening to gospel music.
I mean maybe some maybe some James Brown, you know
some obviously, some supremes, a lot of motown um in general.

(01:22:17):
So I was able to at least be introduced to
these foundational musicians in our music. Come on, you know
my dad look cute my dad being Nigerian, we got
to Bob Marley of course and say line all of these,
you know, because we're gonna do it like a name

(01:22:44):
that tune in a minute that you know what I'm saying.
I might hurt you, I might don't get yourself hurt.
Don't don't hurt read um. But you know, I'm just
truly stepping out of my comfort zone. Is is how
I got started at the Grammy Museum, from you know,
stepping up to volunteering myself to curate my first exhibit,

(01:23:04):
which is called hip Hop a Cultural Odyssey, and just
to really launch out and reach and connect different artists
and UH managers and publicist. This is a whole business.
When you're working in a music museum, it's interesting because
you know your foot is in the music industry to
an extent, in your foot in the museum world. Um.
So so I love that that makes things so interesting. Um.

(01:23:28):
So to grow in that and just learn and working
with such a prominent organization like they're Recording Academy, Um, definitely,
you know now looking at it, I mean because I
did not write this script, um, but looking at it now,
to be at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
is such an honorable UM progression in my career. And
I'm just look. I started out in the box office,

(01:23:50):
working part time, okay, um I okay, so that's the
real you know, the real deal. And I was like, damn, okay,
so I can I do this and love music as
much as I do? Like so yes, I do think
play a mean old tambourine. Don't have any come on
on your show and do that you have to ruing
me onside that a thing. But you know, starting out

(01:24:18):
just taking chances. I I had no idea what the
Grammy Museum had to offer, but again put it in
the work, starting from the bottom, hustling and growing and
seeing how how the institution works, how it's built, um
and seeing that from the doors. Um, I think I
had the best of you in that institution from um
from being a ticket taker so that was really interesting.

(01:24:40):
Like I had the ticketmaster background and knew how to
build shows and all of that. So again just utilizing
all of my talents then my passion for the music,
passion for education, UM, all of those things were able
to be UM used in one place. And that's why
I was like, Wow, this is this is the thing,
This is it for me. All of the other ideas

(01:25:02):
that I thought I had for myself UM kind of
went up the windows. You know. I wanted to be
an attorney. I wanted to be an entertainment lawyer. And
I'm like, I still get to deal with um lawyers
and attorneys all the time, with the states and dealing
with contracts, so I get to you know, scratch that itch,
you know. UM. The music part again that's daily UM.

(01:25:22):
But there's just so much that I get to do
in this role and I'm honored and really in the
education component of it. Was excited to share my path
and my journey with youth to know that, you know,
you don't have to know everything, you don't know need
to know what you want to be leaving college, leaving
right out of high school or whatever it is, and

(01:25:42):
especially in today's climate, but to know that you can
find a career in a museum or um. You know,
in these odd odd places, in these unique jobs. There's
there's work to be done. And now with COVID, we're
learning that there's so much to be done. Um, we're
just evolving the way we create at this point. So
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your host, Sean McDonald. It's really amazing. Um when I
when I interview people, are I look at my life,
you know, because it starts someplace why these people forces
need to be heard. And my minor in college and
my degree is in mathematics, My miner was in sociology,
sociology and that Dee and I always tell people that

(01:27:34):
sociology changed my life, you know, because of the fact
that it made me realize what why we're all fighting
right now? That so much was denied educationally in my
high school career, in my middle school with it just stopped,
you know. They know when they brought us over a slave,
they freed us and then they swung forward to Brown

(01:27:54):
versus a board of education. Then they went to mar
Luther King. He got assassinated. That was it. That was
our black his t and that's how that was our
black participation in this country according to the people who
allowed that information to y'all because they didn't want to
let anybody know how we were mistreated like and that's
what the that's why I respect about the Jewish community.
They got their story told the Jewish people. They're telling

(01:28:17):
their story that they're letting everybody know what the Germans did.
And with the Holocaust world, don't you don't you try
to bask this. Y'all did this to us? And so
what's happening with the blacks in America? And when you
when I took that, it brought me the tears. I
realized I didn't know. I didn't know because nobody allowed
that information to be shared with me. Come and so

(01:28:41):
whenever I meet a fellow sociology major minor person, it's
a certain kindship because guess what, you know what I know,
You know the pain that I'm talking about, you know
the anger. Then I'm talking about the disappointment I have
to say in the American educational system denying information. Come
on now, and that's true. And then and then when

(01:29:01):
you look at it, too. I'm like, the role that
we play and what we do in society is really
to just be truth tellers, to really break the truth
and whatever it is. I mean, that's mean us the
most to be to be a reflection of the times.
And that's why I love her. We can break it.

(01:29:23):
Let's do it. You can't have the wine with it,
but you know, and and it's and it's so true.
I mean, whatever your career path is, be be an
activist in that. And that's where it's like, hey, we
can change the theretor we can share stories that have
never been told, or highlight musicians whose stories aren't out there,
the Laverne Bakers of the world. I mean, let's share

(01:29:44):
those stories. Let's talk about those stories. And to be
able to do that like you're doing through your show,
to do that in a museum like the Rock and
Roll Hall of Fame or the Grammy Museum or whoever,
the Smithsonian, it's it's an honor to write that history
that people can then go back and have another and
a fresh perspective based on something that you were able

(01:30:06):
to introduce. I think that's powerful. Well, it's talking to
you is powerful. We're talking to you know why why
I started this show. Every interview I go, I get
more relaxed, I get more honest about because you know,
you start an idea. Everything starts with an idea. You
don't know if people are buying too and and people
and you know, I remember I first started the show.
You know, I didn't know if they was calling me

(01:30:27):
because they know I knew famous people like Steve Harvey.
I was managing them or the calling because rus Sean McDonald.
They wanted to hear, they wanted to buy into what
I was trying to say. And so now there's changed
that people are understanding my message is about them. You know,
you're the star, you know, but you know, but it's
a start in different lane because everybody used to the
stars and on television and the fail. But the stars

(01:30:49):
are the entrepreneurs. Stars are the people with the machines
that the people who we call the movies and the
shakers of this business who sometimes I imply private planes
and the people who consider the star still on first class,
you know, And that's how business is. I'm talking to
Reset to Stay, I'm talking to the vice president and
chief career curator I called r c C at the

(01:31:12):
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Cleveland. You know, see,
I will just tell you all this. I'm just catching
that on the on the on the on the ride.
She's on the ride because you know she was just
she was. Cleveland just did a big spread on her
a few days ago after she said, yes, you're right.
How you know all that stuff? How you know? Because

(01:31:35):
I said, I know we can see you all. You know,
I'm not the person proclaiming you as the next big
star in this, in this, in this when I say
a perfect time, she's back. She's beautiful, she's informative, she's educated,
she has a resume. You know, I always hear people
you know the next step is president? You president? You

(01:32:00):
down there? You know you're not down there selling tickets
no more. You know what I'm saying. And I like
it because she got two titles, you know what I'm saying,
just because she get bored of being a VP. Just
be a chief creator? Right? Que what doing over him?
Chief creators in the room. So so let's let's tell

(01:32:22):
everybody what her chief creating. It's not some some some
contraption in your kitchen to make break Okay, it's not
a blacker if you can buy on late night TV. Okay,
what is a it's not a vital mix, uh juicer?
What is it? Creator? Oh my god, get yourself. Yes,

(01:32:52):
But essentially the Webster Dictionary term for a curator is
truly just the keeper of the collect and or the
custodian of the museum. So I'm overseeing the entire territorial
Affairs division and so that's from our library and archives UM,
into our collections, into our curators and preparators. And I

(01:33:16):
mean it's a it's a team that makes all of
this move and work. So UM, I advantaging that team,
overseer of that UM and making sure that you know
the narratives and the stories, the artifacts that we collect
UM are relevant, are powerful, UM, and are making sure
that we're keeping the museum UM moving forward, keeping the

(01:33:39):
community moving forward, keeping our perspectives moving forward. So I'm
again honored to be in this role, like to be
a gate keeper even is just an honor. So so yeah,
that's that's my job as as chief curators. How I
would define it, how I would define it now that
I don't came down. You got me tackling over here.

(01:34:00):
I need for water, water, Okay, Uh, your latest exhibit
has been said, all alone has been said along with
voices of rage, hope, and empowerment. Share with us you
know what that is about and why it's important because

(01:34:21):
when we started out talking about the importance of music
and and he was like you said, walking in, how
do you get the information? How do you how does
information come to you? Our records come to you, or
guitars coming to you or jackets coming to you. Because
all this is a part of the process of what
should be in the in the museum and why it's
important to putting the museum because aren't you kind of

(01:34:44):
like limited on your space because the building is a
certain size. And then you say, okay, I'm stuck. What
do I what? I put it? I just put it
on video? Now how do you continue to grow your brand? Right? Um?
You're completely what thousand percent correct that we have a
finite space of what we can you know, exhibit in

(01:35:05):
the museum. UM, A finite number of galleries in the
museum and a growing collection, UM, which is absolutely beautiful
to have a you know, a solid permanent collection that
can help to tell tell a story like it's been
set all along. Um, I was really grateful to be
able to just pull artifacts from our collection that have

(01:35:28):
either never been on display before UM or to you know,
go out and look for new artifacts to help UM
further the conversation with newer artists who are making music
now and who are are new UM crooners and culture
shifters of today UM and to continue to tell that story. So,

(01:35:49):
you know, in this world, in this co curating through COVID,
as I call it UM, which is something that we're
all doing. UM is recurating how we people so to
do things virtually now. Virtual exhibits, you know, was something
that museums played with, but it's now something that we're
having to rely more heavily on just because you know,

(01:36:13):
tourism is down, museums are closed UM permanently or you know, temporarily,
So we have to find new ways of reaching our audience.
So to go beyond the gallery states, to go beyond
ten thousand square feet or seven thousand square feet UM
and make it virtual where the globe can see the
work and and learn from it and be inspired and

(01:36:35):
moved by it. That's really powerful. So we are shipped
into a more digital UM experience that we create for
our visitors. UM, but you did ask me about it's
been set all along voices of rage, hope, and empowerment,
and that really was birth out of I'm calling it
is our civil rights of this new millennium, you know,
with the civil rights movement of UM, where you know,

(01:36:59):
the killing, the murders of you know, black bodies. Let's
just call it what is UM, you know, the murders
of black bodies. The musicians who have risen to the
occasion to lend their voice and put their bodies on
the line UM, musically, UM, putting their careers on the
line by speaking up and speaking out during such a

(01:37:20):
critical time, UM, and to continue to pass on those
messages and narratives that inspired this new generation. Because when
you look at it historically, in every war, going back
to civil wars, revolutionary the musicians, the bands always went
out first. Those trumpets and those horns were facing the soldiers,
those people who are on the front line. The music

(01:37:42):
was always a part of the narrative. It is a
part of our cultural ships. Like every revolution has a soundtrack.
So from Martin Luther King having marching arm and are
with Navid Staples or the Staples singers or you know
Isaac haves being in the mix or whoever I mean
from the music, Come on, I mean the whole thing. Um.

(01:38:10):
Music has always played a curs So to anyone who
I say, who wants to diminish that, Um, you gotta
be blind and disillusions. I mean. So that's why this
exhibit is called It's been dead all along, highlighting black
voices who have been speaking out about injustice and inequality
and for equal rights. One of the things that I

(01:38:32):
love about managing our collection and being so new to
Cleveland into the rock Hall, is that I'm discovering things
maybe that um, the staff may have forgotten about or
you know, they may have seen it, so it's fresh
to me. UM. So that's really nice to pull out
these things that are in our vault. Um. We have
these beautiful lyrics written by James Brown. We always typically hear,

(01:38:56):
you know, say it loud, I'm black and I'm proud.
We don't hear the other ants. Um don't open up
the door for me, or you know, I don't need
nobody to open up the door. I don't just get
it myself. You know, we have the lyrics we have,
I don't need nobody to I don't need you even

(01:39:16):
do this for me. So, I mean we have those
lyrics that those are affirmations, those are messages of of um, strength,
of rage, of hope, empowerment, and so that's where I
wanted us to, you know, we go through these transitions
of rage, hope, and empowerment and still come out resilient. UM.
The photos that are even on display in this exhibit

(01:39:37):
are primarily from black photographers UM, some who people may know,
some who they may not, including Chuck Stewart UM who
is phenomenal UM who shot the album cover for Gil
Scott Hearing and for that single The Revolution will not
be televised. I mean they're uh, girls, don't come on now,

(01:40:00):
I'll tell you some just you make me mad, girl,
I wanted just following your riding, won't be like, oh,
you're a little bit black man on your show, just
walking up h and mark a turn right? Turn right? Girl? Girl?
Who are you talking? Nobody's nobody. I can't let you
in here. They find out you on my shoulder, They're

(01:40:21):
gonna knock you off because every time you talk, I'm
just oh that song, I'm just dropping the word a
lyric oh year because girl that that's that is a
beautiful thing to be part of history, living history and
being able to right. No, it's it's absolutely beautiful. So
it is it is, you know, a celebration of the past.

(01:40:45):
But while we are also looking at the musicians, the songwriters,
the creators of the future UM to you know, be
inspired by their work as well. So that's you know
essentially what that exhibit is. But it was it was
such a powerful thing to do, UM, you know, during
that time. And it's a great way again to to

(01:41:07):
make sure that these artists are continued to be talked
about in these institutions, in in the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame, UM again, holding holding voices and holding
leaders accountable. I mean, these stories and narratives should always exist, um,
within our institutions. So I'm doing my due diligence as
as c C show people who don't know, the people

(01:41:35):
who don't know, but to make sure that these stories
are are always in the narratives. Because the important thing
that you said, like as you said, not knowing about
UM these important moments in our history and learning about
them at school and your undergrading your sociology and your
acro studies and from you know what we're talking about.

(01:41:56):
When you started you go for real, it was it
was like it was, it was, it was. It was
tragic information for me because I was one of these
guys who were read smart, know at all guys, And
I'm like, you kidding me, You got to be kidding.
You just gotta be allowed. This can't be so. It
is so much information that is denied of everybody, White people,

(01:42:21):
his fantics, Blacks, especially then when you're here being told
to you go or this some black stuff, some some
faith news. Ain't know way black people did all this,
and they go, we did, we did, we did, And
to see that I have a beautiful, as they said,
black queen up there. The Vice President a K. A c. C.

(01:42:44):
Creator at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland.
I know you've been to Slimmers. I gotta go to Slimmers.
Get you some sandwiches up there. That's why I mean,
you're gonna get low. See what I'm saying, That's what
I mean. As soon as this pandemic, I'm gonna get on.
I ain't apply Cleveland too much together to do with that,

(01:43:05):
but I'm gonna get up there. The Cleveland but now
now the weather, now the weather is taking a turn.
But no, no, no, no, I love cold weather. I
lived in Chicago five years. I got closed that I can't.
I'm in Atlanta now I got closed. They just sit,
they just sitting like they just sit in my closet

(01:43:26):
because I have no reason to put them on right
now because the weather. Oh yeah, but Cleveland, I step
on the plane, people look at me like, I'm oh,
he's just he ready, he ready, he ready for everything,
he ready for everything. But you know, the beauty of
why I brought you on the show is to let
the world know about you because you are a rise
and star. You are a representative of what we need,

(01:43:47):
people who are willing to share the information, but more
importantly respected not because of the color your skin, but
who you are. Because the color your stink would have
stopped you. Who you are got you your job. And
that's when that we need to understand. That's the narrative
that's being discussed on Money Making Conversation today. I want
to thank you. You know, it's thirty more minutes. We
gotta stop talking. So I don't know why people come

(01:44:08):
in to the show. I'll tell him. I'll tell him
twenty man, they be said talking talking, just talking, and
we can talking this thanks too many. I ain't taking
no blame for this, y'all and can talk. That's what
you got the job. The guy don't know how to
stop talking. She'll not talk talk people. They're probably walking
around with ear plug zone. They're probably probably probably thank

(01:44:31):
you so much for having me though, truly honored for
you recognizing me and um and just for all those
voices who are who are rooting for me as well,
thank you. I'm rooting and you stay safe. We talked soon.
Bye bye. All right. If you want to hear more
money Man conversation interviews, please go to money Maent conversation
dot com. I'm Rashan McDonald. I'm your host. We'll be

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(01:45:57):
The Cafe Moca Swag Award is a celebration of black
men who are making a difference in our community by
empowering others to reach their life goals from civic leaders, businessmen, activists,
celebrities and everyday dads. The Cafee Mocha Sag Award one
of this week is Dr John N. Singer. He is
the Associate Professor of Sports Management and Associate Dean for
Diversity and Inclusion in the College of Education and Human

(01:46:20):
Development at Texas and M Dr John N. Singer is
about enriching and transforming lives through education. His book Race,
Sports and Education is about improving opportunities and outcome for
black mail college athletes. It was just important for me
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(01:46:42):
very hard on the system and my critique of it,
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(01:47:03):
I'm your host, Sean McDonald. My next Welcome to everybody.
My next guest is George Fraser, called him Dr George C. Fraser.
He's a chairman and CEO Frasier Net, a company founded
over thirty years ago. Dr George Fraser renowned networking guru,
business leader, author and entrepreneur who was regarded as one
of those foremost respected authorities on entrepreneurship and building generational

(01:47:26):
wealth and economic empowerment for the Black community. He will
be talking about his annual Power Networking conference, plus give
us some great value about how we can be successful
in our own everyday life. Please welcome back to Money
Making Conversation. Dr George C. Fraser. Oh God, bless you.
Good to hear you. I love the I've always I've

(01:47:47):
always loved the energy and your voice. Uh. Hell, you
motivate me and I'm a motive there. Well, you know
that's always a company because you know you It's like,
you know, I'm sure when Michael Jordan got a little
court and I call you Michael Jordan, Now did every
Sean mcdonalth. I just thought myself to be a little
bit Uh I'm not even gonna say Lebron. I'm not
even Lebron. But you, Michael Jordan, John Fraser, understand that

(01:48:10):
we all respected in this business of entrepreneurship because you
all know, like now entrepreneurs are some almost become a fad,
just like the worry branding has become a fad. But
you know, you started this whole networking in a relationship
before it was even vogue. Talk about the high wars
when we started the Fraser Networking and now how it

(01:48:30):
is now, especially with social media being so prevalent in
the process of networking. Yeah, that's that's an excellent point
where sean. Social media has helped all of us to
stay connected, to get connected, uh and to leverage more
effectively our collective resources and intellectual capital. And uh so

(01:48:51):
I love it. It has really helped to spread the
word about economic development and wealth creation. That's helped us,
in fact, to understand the rules for for financial success.
I mean, actually, there are three basic rules. There are
three basic rules, uh that will if you're looking for

(01:49:12):
financial freedom, if you follow these three basic rules, there's
no way that you can go wrong. Rule Number one,
your rent or mortgage should be less than what you
make in a week. I cannot tell you how many
black people are house for your rent or mortgage should
be no more than you make in a week. So
if you have a two household income, you combine the

(01:49:34):
income for a week, and your rent or mortgage should
be no more than that. That's number one. Number two,
only borrow money to make money. So yes, you can
borrow money to buy a house, because if you keep
your house, it is going to make money. There's nothing
wrong with that. If you're borrowing money to buy a car,

(01:49:55):
unless you're turning that car into a useful and utilitary
and tool to help you make money, get back and
forth to work, or do whatever you need to do. Uh,
that's a good thing, but it's a depreciating asset, Rashan,
because the moment you buy that car, if you turn
that car around and try to take it back to
the dealer to get what you paid for, you would

(01:50:16):
not get it on the floor. That's right, exactly the
same thing with diamonds, Rushan. You can buy you a
beautiful diamond bracelet if you turned around and try to
sell it back to the jewel, but what you just
paid for it, you will not get it. So borrow
money to make more money and figure out whatever you're

(01:50:38):
borrowing money for. How are you going to get something
in return for your investment. And that's what you expect.
You expect a return on your investment. That's that's number
two and number three. This is d As your income increases,
your cost of living should decrease. Was stay the same.

(01:51:02):
Stop living brothers and sisters above your means. Stop living
which means you're spending more than your earn. Stop believing
even within your means, which means you're spending everything you
earn um and live below your means and invest the rest. Right,
so as your income increases, your cost of living should

(01:51:24):
either decrease or stay the same. Do not raise your
costs of living because you've got to raise. Take that
difference between what you were earning and what you're now earning,
and invested. Don't spend it. And the first person you
invest in is you. Ties to you first. Take the

(01:51:50):
money off the top, don't spend what you have to
spend to pay your bills, and then invest what you
got left. No no, no, no no no no, invest
in you first, and then uh. If you follow these
three rules, there's no way that you cannot land on
financial freedom. So that's that's that's what we are talking

(01:52:10):
about financial freedom because we really, we really found out
how free we were not doing this covid NT especially,
we're showing the six habits that will keep us broke.
There's six habits that will keep you broke. Right, not
talking about money right not We don't talk about it

(01:52:32):
in school, We generally don't talking about it around the
family table. That will keep you broken. You've got to
talk about money, Understand capitalism, understand money. So Talking about
money will help prevent you from keeping broke. Talking about
it around the family table, talking about it among your friends.
It's more important than what what's happening on Real Housewives

(01:52:54):
of Atlanta. Okay. Number two failing to build and emergency fund. Now,
we've all been taught that we need to save some
money for a rainy day. Well, this is going to
be a rainy two years. This pandemic, now, how everybody
can relate to this? This pandemic has changed our whole
financial mindset in terms of what we needed to have

(01:53:18):
put back for a long rainy day and what we
actually had put back. So failing to build an emergency
fund for more than six months, I would look at
it now, for at least a year. What does it
take for you to live to and maintain your standard
of living for at least twelve months? Right, and make

(01:53:39):
sure that you have that as cash available to you.
Number three making impulse purchases. Let me say it in in
a different way. I would rather carry a plastic bag
with five thousand dollars in it and to carry a
five thousand dollar Louis Vie tom bag with a hundred
dollars in it. Stop making impulse purchases, right, because that's

(01:54:00):
gonna drain you of your cash available. Number four buying
items you don't need. Of course they on sale. Now
I have to chastise my wife often about this, Dob,
why do you was on to sale? I said, but
you already got three of them, right, So buying stuff
that you don't need. Manage your impulse buying. And number five,

(01:54:25):
pay bills late because of the exorbitant interest rates. When
you pay your bills late, especially those credit cards. Man,
you look at the annual interest rate on these credit cards,
and if you're paying the minimum that you have to
pay each month under you will never pay that credit
card off interest the minimum. Guy's right, Absolutely, you'll never

(01:54:49):
pay at off right. So don't pay your bills late.
Don't pay the minimums. Always pay more. I try to
pay double to triple the minimum. Pay a monk. I'm might,
I might pay of what I owe. So that's number five.
Don't pay bills late and don't pay minimums, as is

(01:55:11):
the beautiful point you made. And number six and the
improper use of credit cards. The improper use of credit cards.
Fifteen years ago, I cut up all of my I
have no credit cards. What I have are debit cards
that are attached to my bank account for Sean, and
I cannot spend any more than I have in my

(01:55:34):
damn checking account. So you know, I'm thinking about every
time I use my debit card, and I got I
got three or four of them because I have various banks,
various needs, but I can never spend any more than
I have available right now right, so improper use of

(01:55:54):
So these are habits that keep us broke. And we
are also the is financially illiterate people in America. We
are at the bottom of every single statistic that matters
in this country economically, and so we need to educate ourselves,
educate our children. This is related to talking about money

(01:56:15):
and as a result of that, as a responsible leader
UH in this country as you are, we started our
Winds Wealth Building Centers UM to address financial illiteracy in
Black America because if the business of America is business,
it is dangerous, rashan, and self defeating to be financially illiterately. Therefore,

(01:56:39):
education is the answer. The key to a well round
as financial education is to align people's mindsets, their habits,
their values and solutions with the importance of the overall
goals of Black America, or according to numerous analytical statistics
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fix our financial badass habits right, we will be relegated
to permanent second class citizenry and we will end up
in a second slavery. So we develop UH twenty eighteen
the Wins Wealth Building Centers and curriculum to address, among
other things, the psychology, the emotions, and our relationship with

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money in both the secular and non secular Black organizations,
both the Church and other Black organizations. And we're sarftly
focusing on our deep seat of struggle with instant versus
delayed gratifications, one of the very bad habits that we have,
and we're struggling with the basics of financial growth. UH

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to include, but is not limited to, the four pillars
for the intergenerational transport of wealth. That is the essence
of our Winds financial centers, and we've gotten over twenty
Church is already involved with our curriculum and with our program,
and those four pillars for the intergenerational don't have time
to unpack them. This is what people are gonna learn

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at the Virtual Power Networking Conference October through But the
fourth pillars very simply of the proper management of accumulated wealth,
so that we can stop reading about entertainers and athletes
that earn a hundred million dollars in their career and
within five years or either broker and bankruptcy. The second
pillar is real estate ownership, both residential and commercial real

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ESTATEUS horner Stone for the intergenerational transfer of wealth. The
fourth with his business development, we are the consumption class
in this country, uh White books. The merchant class. They
make stuff and we buy. Stop doing that, brothers and sisters.
If you sell something, sell something. In America, two things
are going seven. Somebody's buying and somebody selling. Right, we're

(01:58:57):
doing all today. I'm buying. So if you make cookies,
so you know, put him in a box with your
name on it and sell it to somebody. Right. If
you live on a farm, take the manua, put it
in a bag, put your name on it, and sell
it to somebody. You can become an entree manure. Okay,
stop doing all the day an buying and sell something.
This is extremely important. On this I'll give one final

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little quote by Bishop Tudor, Bishop Tudor Bismark. He wrote
a wonderful book called Kingdom Economics, and I'm going to
quote him, and he says, as black people, we have
embarked upon a new millennium. And this millennium brings momentous change,
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political changes, and more. As believers, it is imperative not
only must we be spiritually sound, but we must also
establish a firm kingdom economic foundation. Must now unlock the
keys to economic empowerment well. And to quote, I conclude

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with that, And so I'm recommending that the brothers and
sisters out there, if you belong to a church family,
talk to your pastor get in touch with us and
put a Winds wealth building center. It's a little license agreement,
and use our curriculum and start educating your congregation. You'll
have a better congregation. You will have a more uh

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financial free congregation. There will be better at times, there
will be better givers. So this is a very very
big and important idea that must be sustained over at
least three or the next three or four generations. That's
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You know, for an eighteen years, the Power Networking Conference
has been the home of black entrepreneurs looking to connect.
That's important when I say net growing prosper Forbes voted
has voted it as one of the top five conferences
in the world for entrepreneurs. They pride themselves on unique
philosophy of network and building their financial legacy for your grandchildren.
And this is about the future. Now. The interesting thing

(02:02:14):
about it, I was just involved in something with ESPN
and HBCU Week and tween I had. It was a
live event, George and I had thirty students attended live
event College Fair. This year it was virtual and uh
and I was concerned about the response last year with
thirty dred attend HBCUE College Fair in eighteen. This year

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six thousand, one hundred and twenty five pre registered and
four thousand, eight hundred and twenty three attended. I say
that because if now I went from like a regional
event a city event in Wilmington, Delaware too, I like
to believe a global event and I feel that we
can look at the negative side of what covid is
doing to brick and mortar conferences. But I feel it's

(02:02:59):
going to be a scene for your power networking that
it is now virtual. Correct If I was, if I
was in front of you, Rashaun, I want to hug you, uh,
because you just snatched the thought and the words right
out of my mind. Yes, there's downsize and there's upside
to everything. And the pandemic has changed us a bit

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prematurely into a virtual world. There's no question about it.
And it ain't going away when the pandemic is over
because this is so convenient and and and it's so easy.
You can learn, you can connect with people and your
bunny slippers and bathrobe, okay, virtually. So this is why
we couldn't give our live virtual conference in Houston, Texas

(02:03:45):
back in July. I mean I would be stoned if
I took to a hundred people to Houston, Texas. Uh,
and they were, you know, in the red on the pandemic.
So we had to tune it into a virtual conference
and down We are promoting it in sixty six countries
around the world, and we have already already three thousand

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people that have signed up for it. Okay, I mean,
that's how awesome this is. And you can we reach
more people, we can connect with more people, we can
educate more people, we can encourage more people, we can
inspire more people. It is awesome and an ain't going away.
And the reason I love it is because last year

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we launched at our conference the first virtual nation called
Fraser Nation. It was a virtual that this is before
the pandemic. So I'm not you know, I'm not a soothsayer.
I can't predict the future. I was not predicting a
pandemic that would make everything go virtual. But I said,
I think we can have a virtual nation, right, and

(02:04:57):
so what is this going to do. It's very is simply, um,
We're going to provide access uh through overall training and
coaching and modeling that is needed by our citizens and
therefore help improve the recycling of black dollars and intellectual
capital among our citizens and allies. It's going to be

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this massive database of pop black professionals, business owners, and
community leaders right that they will be able to access
the intellectual capital. There will be access of the products
and services that black people fell around the world, right,
and the entire Pan African diaspora when you look at

(02:05:40):
the businesses that we own and and and and we're
not supporting like we should support. So this will help
the connectivity of that. And it's going to provide this
kind of database and virtual meetings and virtual conferences and
virtual uh uh summits and virtual workshops right because virtual

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ain't going away. That's what that's I love it. That's
that's why I just said because a lot of people
don't understand that is that you can't look at it
as being naked and being negative because there's a brick
and mortar and the goals of Fraser that are simple,
help black people build wealth that can be transferred into
generational wealth opportunity for the future, helped black people become
the number one employer black people in the century, to

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facility building their global network of Africans throughout the diaspora
who is personal and business excellent and using it to
build partnerships too, adventures and strategic alliances. That's very key
right there. Networking, and now the whole virtual thing has
been normalized normally. That's George, I'm a was so excited.

(02:06:51):
I am so excited for your brand because you know,
we stumbled up on because of the cod the team,
the real purpose because you know, not that we didn't write,
We didn't know, you know, we were just doing what
everybody to do. You know, IBM does it. All the
big corporations do these brick and mortar. But you had
to be trained in the pandemic, trained people to look

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at TV to zoom, Instagram, live, Facebook, last, So everybody's
kind of like there now and so now your brand
becomes what it's supposed to be, a global brand. Joy
there you go, there you go, there you go, no
question about it and what brothers like you promoting it.
I'm telling you this is very inportant what you're doing,

(02:07:34):
what you're saying, your reach or your credibility, the way
people trust you. I mean, this is, this is, this
is this is the goal standard of how we get
this out and used by our people. We've got to
have people like you talking about it. And you talk

(02:07:55):
about it better than I do. I mean you know
why because you see it, see it, you see it
your avictionary, you see it. You know what the possibilities are.
You know that we have to do this. We don't
have any choice. Yeah, what we have to do is
create the instruments of vessels and two tools for us

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to do it, and then move it through UH, the
UH marketing and advertising, radio, television, social media system that
is so targeted and so effectively utilized by black people.
And it will it will work, There's no question about it.

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It's really interesting because you know, sometimes you you know
in God, this is all. This is about God and
vision and then building on it because first it was
in July brick and mortar, right, brick and mortar, because
we talked about a year in advance. You said, I'm
kind of Houston. I said, you know, and you gotta
be there for your joy. COVID hit in March. Then
we moved into October fourteen through this seventeen, still in

(02:09:01):
Houston at the Hilton America's okay now, okay, we are
virtual October twenty six through. That means that we went
from a Houston event to a global ban. I want
everybody to understand that that means that you can be
in Africa, you can be in England, you can be
in France, you can be in Mexico, you can be

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in Canada, and now you can participate in this conference.
And that it is so important that we tell everybody this.
I want you to take off your little narrow hats
about how can I participate. You don't have to get
on the plane. This has been conceptionalized to be very
network friendly for all the things that he's always talking about,

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meet millionaires, potential partners, investors, and build your network, workshop speaks,
all these thing registration, student registrations, a v IP registration,
ultra v IP registrations, all these things, seminars, all these
things are available now virtually. That's amazing easy to me.
That's you know, you know, I'm fired up. I'm gonna
tell you something because I got three Wednesdays and any thousand,

(02:10:07):
I'm promoting every wins every two weeks. I'm promoting this.
You better sign up, you better sign up, better sign up,
because we want to get dead nover with ten thousand.
That's right. I mean, just think about that. I mean,
when's the last time ten thousand black people from all
over the diaspora were able to come together around a
common vision right with instruction motivation. Some of the best

(02:10:32):
and baddest speakers and preachers on the planet, the Reverend
Reverendever Freddie Haynes, clostest Our talk every year. Jamal Bryant
opens the talk every year, and I mean we can
just voice Watkins will be it will be there. The doctor.
I just finished recording the interview with Dr Julius Scary,
the son of Marcus Scarffy, right, incredible interviews that I

(02:10:55):
did with him. So you can go down the list.
It's just incredible. If you want to know more about
the virtual power Networking comperence, just go to uh www
Power Networking Conference dot com. Www Power Networking Conference dot com.
It's uh it's in fact, you can't find a link

(02:11:16):
or something that just email me. You just email you
very simply A G. Fraser, f R A S and
Samy are at fraser net dot com. G. Fraser at
fraser net dot com and I'll make sure you get
everything you need to know to In fact, Dr George C. Fraser,
he's a renowned networking Gurgle chairman. And see not emailing

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just anybody not in the system. Dr George C. Fraser,
that's what you internet. Renowned networking Google chairman and CEO
Fraser Net, a company he found it over thirty two
years ago to lead global networking economic development movement. For
people of African descent. That's Frasier. That a belief that
we should be in the game, not as buyers, but

(02:12:01):
as sellers people product. Put your name on something, to
become an entrepreneur, telling you how you can become an entrepreneurs,
putting a plan in place so you can win, not
only just short term, long term, because that's what this
is all about. Because everybody go out there, they want
to do something, they have a plan in place that's
short term success. We're trying to create long term success.
And Frazier that that's why it's virtual. That's why October

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twenty six, That's why he's always on my show. It's
when I feel blessed I'm able to bring somebody of
his caliber on my show. He always be hyping me up.
I'll be hyped because he's one of the few people
I just I just let him talk. I just terrupt periodically,
just drop some dimes. Remind everybody how gifted it is
to even hear him talk like this. I put three

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of his life change and quotes on my Monday Motivation
with his picture. It was the highest life post of
the year on my Monday Motivation. Yes sir, Yes, Sir,
I told you I was gonna do that. Remember I
told us I am going to promote you. I'm going
it was the most like post. It was incredible, incredible

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because your belief and your values mean something to people.
What I like to always say is that that's why
I'm excited about the virtual UH event. Frasier that this year,
because you're just a hidden gym your networks, not saying
that you're not NOTKNN, I don't want was something like that.
But this virtual platform allows more people to participate. And

(02:13:25):
just like I said earlier about the HBCU week, we
did with ESPN Disney and thirty undred students attended live
last year, six thousand, one hundred and twenty five pre
registered virtually four thousand, eight hundred twenty three came to
the Virtual experience. People are ready for the change. You

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are going to have an incredible experience. Mr Fraser. Such
a such a blessing, such a God bless you, Shaan,
God bless you, and God bless all that you mean
to us. And you're serving leadership because you are a servant.
I mean, you just are incredible. And how you manage
that and how you've focused on that emphasize that it's

(02:14:08):
all in your voice and in your spirit. And so
I'm going to close with giving the brothers instance out
here a little tip on how to build your passive
income to build your pack position. Not be a black
person in America with a single stream of income, right
like all of us should have multiple streams of income
and code what we call a passive income. So take

(02:14:30):
your nine to five income, if you've got a job,
of us, have a job, take your nine to five
income and use that to fuel your side us okay,
whatever that may be. Sell something that's your side hustle,
and then use your side hustle to fuel the money

(02:14:51):
you get from that to fuel your investments. Because you're
gonna get extra money and you're going to invest that money.
I don't care if the scripto currency, stock spawns or
whatever it is. Whatever, vote your boat, invest your side
hustle money, and then take your investments, and over time
your investments will replace your nine That's the goal. That's

(02:15:18):
the goals. I want to appreciate you again. My newsletter
goes out this Wednesday. You will have a band internet.
I got two more winsdays before October twenty six through
to eight. That's the Virtual phraser Net conference originally was
held in Houston, Nashill for the world to participate. I
love saying that is now being held for the world

(02:15:39):
to be a participant. Like I said, Dr Cee, it's
a blessing. Come on die but again, thank you, come
on the show, and I I gotta do my job now, Jack.
See you always give me instructions, but you don't even
know it. See when you come on myself, Dr Rason,

(02:16:00):
you put me to work in a positive manner because
I said okay, I said okay. You know it's like
it's like, you know, you're the pope of entrepreneurship. To me,
you're the pope. Now you know the popeman came the town,
he didn't blessed everybody with information. And now I guess
what we I get busy and spread the word. So
that my mission right now is to spread the word
A fraser that coming October twenty six through twenty eight.

(02:16:21):
People doing thirty October. Well, I apologize, I've been trading
that out and I've said that a couple of times
from October through the thirties. October through the thirties is
the date that we're gonna do Frasier that virtual worldwide.
My friend, we talked soon. Okay, I love you, Let

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me thank you. If you want to hear more money
Making Conversations, please go to money Making Conversation dot com.
I was Sean McDonald. I'm your host.

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