Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviews Lecrae, who discusses his Gospel Rap Career, Mental Health in the Black Community, and his Controversial Collaboration, “Blessings,” with Ty Dolla $ign. His new single, “Your Power,” with Tasha Cobbs, was released in time for May Mental Health Awareness Month to create dialogue around depression, therapy, and talk about the pressure of being an ideal role model.
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Now, let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashaan McDonald.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Outside of my man, Kurt Franklin, I know very well
this is my next Chess is one of the honest
rappers in the game. He's a Christian Rapper's name is
La Craig. He's recognized as the first artist to have
an album hit the charts at number one for both
the Billboard two hundred and the Gospel Charts simultaneously, a
multi Grammary Award winning platinum All this New York Times
bestselling author interviewed him on that book, Tremendous The Crazy Workers,
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fueled by building bridges, changing narrative, empowering a different franchise,
and restoring the dignity of those who are lost. We
were discussing his gospel career, mental health in the black community,
which we don't talk about enough, his controversial collaboration with
Blessings with my man Ti Dollar sign cause I'm trying
to figure that out because I've heard it so many times,
trying to figure that out. His new single, Your Power Will
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Charts Tasha Cobbs, was released in time for May Mental
Health Awareness Month to create dialogue around depression therapy and
talk about the pressure of being an ideal role model.
We have a lot to unpack. Please Welcome to the Money
Making Conversations masterclass. Look, Cret, how you down, my brother?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
What's going on? It's all good man, All well, I
can't complain. I'm grateful to be here, appreciate you having me.
All we know.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Just about the fourth or fifth interview, I say a
fourth and every time I always go back to when
I first saw you and in Houston and there was
a Joel Osteen's church. It was a think the Super
Bowl gospel celebration that was taping it and you came
down that and I've never seen you and all I
can remember, and I would probably every time I interview,
I always bringing up because you know, when you see
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something and I'm just telling you, look, gret, when you
see something special, you have to keep reminding people because
you get hit all the time and we kind of
get wolled down and we kind of like, I'm not
saying you've lost focus, but you know you tend to
like get to sway from what you your purpose. Your
purpose is the impact people like me. I'm not an
everyday church goer. You know, I'm probably close I go
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to church with When my wife she says grace and
I say Amen' that's my regular going to church, you know,
and and when I do other church, I understand the
value of going to church when I'm in that church.
And you affected me, brother, with your talents, with your
gifts and every word. I hung on it and it
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still impacts me today when I when I see you
and I hear you talking these interviews, it's always not
just you rapping, but you are about the community and
you're about uplift. Tell everybody about La Craze.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Yeah, well, you know, I can only be authentically me,
and you know I wasn't raised in the church. That's
not my background, you know. So I wanted to create
tools and music and experiences for people like myself. You know,
what was what would raise my eyebrows and help me
realize that, you know, my faith is is bigger than
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four walls. My faith is bigger than you know, white
gloves and hats, and so I really wanted to create
something for folks like that, and that's kind of what
has been driving me ever since. So I want to
be in different realms. You know, you see me in
the prisons, the detention centers. You see me on the
court side, you know, talking to my NBA players or
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my NFL players, You'll see me, you know, mixing it up,
you know, at different environments. But again I'm gonna be
in the church as well because I'm trying to be
well rounded.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
We know, it's really interesting. I always tell people that,
you know, when you meet somebody special, sometimes you don't
even know how to talk to. The very first time
I interview Lacraye was probably the most difficult interview because
I didn't really know how comfortable I could be with
him because he was you know, he's like, you know,
I'm a I'm a fan of hip hop, I'm a
fan of godspe was the first time I interviewed a
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Christian rapper, a rapper of hip hop. So my whole
conversation like, okay, because you know, because rap has that
that the history of you know, a tough uh violence,
uh uh, getting that bank, getting that bag, you know,
women in video, that's what that That's what when you
say the word rapper, you said the word hip hop,
that's what it entails. Do you fight that? Is that?
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Is that something that you did that when people when
you say you're a Christian rapper, that you have to
that you have to deal with as far as being stereotyped.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Yeah, you know, you dealt with it a lot early on,
but then you realize, you know what, let me just
change the narrative. If people think, you know, all black
people are criminals, I'm not gonna walk around saying well,
I'm not black. You know, I'm gonna change your perspective.
You know, I'm gonna change your perspective of what a
black person is. And so when you come across me, uh,
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you know, you're gonna say, well, what I thought that
they were all, Well, yeah, you thought wrong, you know,
and so, uh, you may have some perceptions about what
it is, what what a rapper who's a Christian looks
like or a Christian rapper, and how they move and
how they get down. Uh, but allow me to reintroduce myself.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
And so so with that, you know, I had Tasha
Page Lockhart early on the earlier part of the show,
and you know, it's got like my church day to
day and my gospel day to day because y'all have
different styles, you know, which is really awesome. And you
know she grew up in the church. You know, her
mom was a church you know, so it was no
options for you for her to go in that direction.
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How did you get in this direction? First of all,
I can understand the hip hop game, but how did
the Christian part of it get get played into the
hip hop game with you? Lakray?
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yeah, well, you know, I was always a free thinking individual.
You know. My mother was was raised in the church,
and she was a face some abuse, you know, some churches.
So she didn't want me to experience that. So she
raised me to think freely to philosophy, you know, philosophy,
and I started just exploring different views and and and
I knew that I had purpose, you know. And so
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if you know you got purpose, that means, you know,
purposes that must come from somewhere. You can't just be
a cosmic accident, just a product of a big bang,
and you think you got purpose. So purpose had to
be given to me from somewhere. So I started just
investigating where that was and what that looked like. And
so I was on a college campus and decided to, uh,
you know, it was a young lady. It's always a
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young lady. Uh, you know, hey, but she uh, she
invited me to a Bible study. I said, you know,
I let me go in and check it out. And
and you know, they blew my mind because they did.
They looked like me, they dressed like me, they talked
like me, and I did not expect that. And so
I hung around a little longer, and before long, you know,
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I met God in that group of people. And and
then it would turned into like, well man, you know
I can express myself through rap music amongst these folks
because they were people just like me, and they loved it.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, now now that that's that's God. You know, went
to the meeting. That's what I loved talking to you,
did you? And Kirk? I love talking because you just
really kind of like talk at least say, you know,
it's a like woman, that was a girl. You know,
because so many people in the in the church game
don't want to tell the truth. They don't want to
tell you that journey all the time. And the journey
is everyday life journey. Like you know, like Steve Harvey
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used to always say, you know, uh, act like church
people don't have sex. They got some church kids from somewhere. Okay,
they came from somewhere. And now so let's go and
be honest. Now when we're talking about you and this
whole part of the process. Now you you're around these
group of people. Now you wrapping on them, you're breaking
lyrics off. Now when did the when did somebody come
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and you go, brother, you got something here, you gotta
got you you can step this up to the next
level here, you know, because we all know that that
this this industry is tied to money. Look great, and
we know that the direction you were going ain't the
big money maker in the hip hop game. You know,
they you know, they're not saying that you broke. But
you know what a hip hop game. It's the number
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one streaming format in the world is hip hop music.
And I've talked to enough gospel artists to know what
is a what is a big seller in the gospel game.
Did that come into play? Did people tell you, man,
you need to take your skills over to the hip
hop side instead of the Christian side? What was what
was your people telling you and why did you stand
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strong in the Christian rap side?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Yeah? So I had some individuals, you know, I obviously
had the producers and the DJs who said, hey, I
like what you're doing and I think, you know, you
might want to try this on the mainstream side. You know,
that may be a better look for you, right. But
but there was a young man, you know, he was
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older than me at the time, and he was into
uh ironically, he was in the money management. He was
a financial advisor, and I really respected him because I
had never met, you know, a young black financial advisor before.
It was it was new to me, and I really
respected him. And he he told me, he said, hey, man,
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you really have a talent, and you know, I think
God can use you if you really, you know, put
some structure around this and begin to build on it.
And so, man, that lit a fire on me because
he was somebody I respected. You know, he had the
stuff together. Because I was nervous, you know, I was like, man,
I should I pursue this rap thing? I don't know,
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but he gave me the encouragement to do it. Well.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
You know, it's really interesting because the whole thing that
people need to understand is that, you know, I always
telling people that's a forking roll and anything. You know,
there are a lot of people in jail because they
took the wrong fork in the roll. We all make
these decisions and whether you can walk that decision back,
I don't know. But when you make the decision. I
always say, give one hundred percent, and that's what you did.
You gave one hundred percent when you start breaking through
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those walls and started realizing that you can have a
career out of this, because that's the next step in it.
And I remember when I started doing stand up comedy.
I was just doing stand up comedy for fun. Look great,
and then I realized, you know, some people paying me
a check do this. And I realize, you know something,
I on TV doing this, and I realized, you know
something showing up to see me tell jokes. I can
make a crowd of this. But before that, it was
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a lot of it was a lot of dollars. Look great, boy,
you're gonna leave. I'll be able to do what You
better lead that good job. You better lead that good job.
You ain't that funny, You ain't that funny? You know
those daughters, man, And that's that's when I started wondering
in the whole process. That's when faith come in it.
You know your belief, you know that you have to
that you have to lock in and otherwise what are
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you what are you fighting? Because it's so many people
can like jump into your lane and say like you said,
DJ talking about hey man, money over here, bag over here,
over here, Yeah, but money over here. You know, those
type of people are really dangerous because in the end,
we all know we're gonna fall. Will they be there
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to help you stand up? That's what you have to realize,
am I right? That's right.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
You you nailed it. That's a big piece of it.
And you know, even my mother was a little nervous,
you know. And and because of the fact that I
had a nine to five and I, you know, was
getting a severance check. But like you said, I started
doing show after show and I knew, you know, I
had a budget and I knew, okay, let me see
how much is rent? Okay, this show pay for rent?
(12:22):
This can take care okay, all right? And now you
know I planned it out a little bit and then
I made it. I made that leap of faith, like you.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Said, and it's a powerful leap, ladies, Jill, you know,
I love bringing on individuals who, you know, because of
the fact that when I when I talked to little
Crape because he's younger than me, I always I loved
because he's gonna walk in my shoes, He's gonna he
gonna make some mistakes I made, and he's gonna live
through those mistakes and he's gonna learn that he's a
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better man for it. Always it ought to be successful,
you gotta make a mistake, because that way, you won't
make that mistake. Right now, you make it two or
three times, you're not a successful person anymore. But as
you go that path and that process, the arrows and
the slings that come at you. And because the last
time we talked about we talked about money. The last
time I interviewed him, he was doing a web series
called Protect the Bag m So that means that he
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understands money. With all people were telling him, no man,
you're taking the risk. No man, don't leave that job,
No man, go hip hop. Years later you've been you're
getting paid to talk about money and financial literacy.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Wow, right, that's right, that's right, you nailed it. And again,
you know, that's why you got to stay on the
pathway that you believe he's supposed to be on, because,
like you said, those people who are doubting you, they're
not gonna pay your bills and they're not gonna be
there for you. You know, Uh, to celebrate the wins
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with you. So you know, it's kind of like, hey man,
you at the end of the day, you got to
make a choice. And that's what I tell a lot
of my my youngins. I tell him, I say, hey,
you know nothing, and at some point in time, you're
gonna have to take a risk, you know, make it
a calculated risk and make it worth while. But don't
put too much pressure on yourself, especially if you're in
your early mid twenties. You know, if you can make
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a couple of mistakes at twenty two, if you make
mistakes for three years or twenty two years old, you're
still gonna be in your twenties by the time. You know,
you realize what's going on. So you know, keep trying.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
You know, that's so powerful. That's so powerful. When we
come back, I got to talk to him. There's a
press release that hit the wire that may be called
his PR person and involve the song Your Power and
involve Tasha Cobb. When we come back and go talk
about that. And it was the funny story. I called
Jackie Old that's his PR person. I said, I got
to interview my boy La Crage. She said, he don't
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do nothing at the five thirty. I said, wow, I said,
asking She called me back to the Crill do your show.
This is my boy right here. This is my boy.
That's why he's on the show. If you're right back
for more from my man La Craig.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
We'll be right back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass
with Rashawn McDonald. You are now tuned into the Money
Making Conversations Minute of Inspiration with Rashawn McDonald.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
This week, I sat down with media mobile Hollywood executive
and philanthropist Nick Cannon. Although the former child star has
experienced a long career of success with no signs of
slowing down, he explains why he's so passionate about creating
opportunities for others.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
It's all about the community. For me, It's about giving
other people opportunities. It's about opening doors and sharing their knowledge,
wealth and wisdom that I've obtained with everyone else. I mean,
you know, obviously I'm still in school. Hopefully you know,
I'll be able to you know, Hu Howard University. I
want to go all the way I'm getting my masters,
want to go to my doctorate and eventually be a
professor and teach the things that I've picked up along
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the way. But it's all about the community, whether it's teaching,
whether it's entertaining, whether it's investing into us.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
If you want to listen to this for interview with
Nick Cannon, it's available on Money Making Conversations dot com.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Now let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashaan McDonald.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Wow, I'm back in this. Rashaan McDonald speaking to a
lot Craig. He's recognized as the first artist to have
an album to hit the charts at number one in
both Billboard two hundred and The Gospel Charice. That's right.
He's a multi multi Grammy Award winning platinum artist, New
York Times bestselling author. But it was a press release
that I saw that came across my wire talking about
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the song Your Power, which is fantastic by the way,
I listened to it several times and with Tasha Cobbs
and was talking about the church community, dealing with stereotypes,
dealing with people expecting certain things to be a certain way,
and burning gospel church people act a certain way. Can
you break it down and can in details. It's your show,
it's your forum, but I just want to understand what's
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going on in the world and why there was a
need for you and Tasha to get together.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Yeah, well, you know, Kasha and I are very vocal
about mental health. We both had struggles with mental health
that we wanted to be public about because black folks
don't talk about it as much as we need to.
And and then, you know, some of the blowback that
both of us have received from you know, certain church
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folk about our collaborations, hers with Nicki Minaj and mine
with Todd Dollar Sign, you know, created some unnecessary tension
and pressure. And you know, you don't realize that that
stuff just keeps piling up and piling up, and no
public figure deserves to be as celebrated or criticized as
we are. And so that stuff can tend to mess
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with your psyche. And so we just decided to take
control of that and to take you know, our mental
health back into our own hands.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Interesting now, because I do it. I do a lot
of episodes on mental health and anxiety and stress and depression,
and and on the show, my wife was listening and
I said something I told her, and I said on
the show, I deal with depression, and she and she
and Justice. Last week she said I never know you
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dealt with any depression. And this is where this is
the problem with the black community. And you know, and
I've been with my wife since eighty two, okay, and
she's never heard me say depression or anything. And I
and she and she and I explained her. I said, well,
I just deal with it. I just I said, I'm
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gonna tell you I've been black all my life. I said,
when I get out the car, I still get nervous
of the police officer. So just say hello to me.
Because I have doubts. I said, there's a natural lane
of stress that I'm going to deal with. And I said,
and when you're in entertainment business, explained it. Depression is
part of that because there's no guarantees. And entertainment business
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is the worst because you can be riding high, walk
in the room if somebody can tell you you're not
the one, and boy, that wild not cure. You don't
know where to go to recover from that. And so
I said, it's something about entertainment. I said, when you're
doing a regular job, forty hour week job, that's different.
I said, when you're entertainment, your hides and lows can
be extreme you can be you can walk off the
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stage to a standing ovation and go to the next
city and they're not even looking They looking like you
that they've never seen you tell a joke, a singer
or a rap song. And I said, that is what
I dealt with all my life. And so and also
when you're dealing in a in a in a lifestyle
that so many people question your decisions, so many people,
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you know, question what you do because you know what
you can say, this look crazy. I can't tell people
what I'm gonna do tomorrow. If somebody asked me, okay, Rishane,
what you're gonna do tomorrow, I know I got a
lot of things I'm gonna do, but I can't tell you.
Like if you he was a bank teller, you could
tell us what you're gonna do. If you drove trucks,
you could tell us what you can do. If you
were a scientist, you can tell us we won't do.
But as an entrepreneur in the entertainment business, there's no
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lines of description that you can say, when I wake up,
this is my day, right.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
That's right, that's right. No, yeah, I mean it fluctuates
from from day to day, and you know, you can
try to build in some kind of consistency, but at
the end of the day, you know, different things come
up and different things happening, so you got to make
amends and you got to you know, move accordingly, and
so yeah, that can create stress. And again, you know,
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we we were talk not to talk about those types
of things. I mean, once upon a time we weren't
even allowed to talk about the right things. They tapped
in Martin Luther King's phone so he couldn't tell better
let anybody know what he was going through. And so
you know, that stuff just goes on and on down
the line, where today we know it's kind of like
we got so many things to deal with. We don't
talk about what's going on mentally and emotionally, and you know,
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it hinders us from being healthy. So so music has
been a part of our healing regiment. And that's why
I'm grateful to be able to be a musician, because
I can create some medicine for some folks. I mean,
you still might need to go to.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
The doctor right right, because because that's really the problem
in our community. Because we I always tell people this
in the first of all, I don't jump hard on
people who who are slow in understanding that you need
to go to a doctor because of the fact that
we know we're the first hired, last fire, you know,
first first, last hired, first fire. Okay, so we always
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I remember when I look crazy when I had cancer.
You know, I didn't even know if I could reveal
that because it might cost me my career, might cost
me a job. People might look at my age and
cancer and think I'm not hiring that dude anymore. So,
so as a person of color, there's so many things
that we have to consider before we tell somebody I
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need help. It's so many things we can before we
tell somebody that, and it might become across as a
sign of weakness. Of people who you consider your friends
might shy away from you because they don't know how
to deal with you. And they might use the word,
you know, the street word. He crazy, He crazy, I
don't know, he acting strange. And so those are the
things that before I jump down there and go hey man,
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black people, they're the worst black people. They got mental problem.
They don't want to talk about it. People need to
step back. As a black man, I'm just talking for
myself now, this a black woman. Brother, I've been dealing
with a lot. I know I've had jobs I should
have gotten. I know they are better comedy writers out
there that I were better there, and I should they
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got a development deal, but they got it. I know
they were comedy shows. I should have been the headline
and I was the middle act. I know they are
checks that should have been bigger for me, but I
didn't get it. All those things I have to just
as they say, suck it up and move on. That
is entertainment and that can lead you to depression.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
That's right. And you nailed the hammer on the head
and we got to do a better job at navigating
things and and uh and and helping other people find freedom.
And so that's you know, exactly what I aim to do.
That's what I make it my mission to do is
to help people find freedom. Whether that's music, whether that
is you know, conversation, whatever it is, that's what I
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want to do.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
What you know the thing about is that when we
talk to create, I'm not trying to depress anybody. I
have energy in my voice, and when I'm talking to
you have energy because we've we've had so many conversations
when I when I had you on the show about
your book. You can't get any more honest than that book?
Was that which became a New York Times bestseller? Well,
we talked that was a different conversation. We talked about,
(23:37):
you know, protect the bag. That was a different conversation.
Now we're talking about mental health. How can we get
our black community to start raising their hand? How can
we help them out?
Speaker 4 (23:46):
La Craig, Well, we you know, we got to follow
follow some of our leaders, Taraji p Henson, the Rock
Uh uh, you know, Michelle Williams, you know myself.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
You know, these are weird individuals who are being vocal
about this because we're letting you know that you're not alone.
And so what do you have to be ashamed? But
what can you lose? You know, by being honest with
yourself about getting from healing. You know, I'm not telling
you to tell the world. I'm telling you to tell
your doctor. You know what I mean. And so, you know,
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what do you have to lose? You have everything to gain.
And I can tell you on this side of Grammys
and billboards and all these awards in Adelaide that I'm
better for it. No, you got nothing to lose and
everything the game.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Now that the single power? How did that come about?
Did you deal with Tasha Cobb?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
So? So, Tasha heard some of my music and historically
and we talked about doing something together, and I thought, man,
that's gonna be an interesting mashup, you know what, you
being traditional gospel and me being rapped. But we found
the right music in the right you know, kind of
combination and it became something special.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Wow. Now now I'm trying to get some some clarity
on this, this this controversy with Blessings that you deal
with Todd Dollars side. That was twenty seventeen, right, yeah, man,
twenty sevent I'll tell you something. I'm telling because I
do this song back then because I loved it. Now
I went did he do a remix? Did he what?
(25:22):
Because I went before the before the All day to day,
I've been going through Google. I've been going through all
the search engines trying to find why are they hanging
on this song? Why Blessings?
Speaker 4 (25:35):
You know, I wish I knew, I wish I knew.
You know, they just keep trying to find But that's
how that's how it is. You know, you must be
doing something right if people looking for something wrong with
what you got going on, so you know, just you know,
for me, I just keep pushing.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Well, I'm gonna tell you something. Brother, Listen to me. Man,
you are one of my favorite people of Creamy and
last time we talked, we talked. I was supposed to
come by your building and you supposed to come by
my building. Now this time we gotta make it happen.
And then every time I talk to you, man, we
gotta do something together, man for the community event together.
(26:11):
And I'm just I'm just telling everybody right now because
every time I talk to him, I get closer and
closer to his brother to understand that he's just a
younger version of me. Y'all. He's just a younger version
of me, and Lord have mercy, we gotta do something
about that. I gotta meet the younger version of me.
I'm calling my young twin, and let's make a difference
because your special brother, and I love you for that.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Man, I appreciate you. It's an honor and a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Just the one and on it look cray, thank you
for thank you for making time, thank you for giving
me a little time out after five thirty look crag
five thirty to talk to me, man, but you stay
blessed brother, and we'll talk soon.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Man.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I'm very serious. I owe you a visit to your building.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Okay, all right, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Talk to your own that's look Cray. Everybody an incredible
guy single I call Your Power with Tasha Cobs. And
if you want to hear a great song, listen to Blessing.
It's a really, really great song by Todd dollad Sign
came out in twenty seventeen. There's no controversy at all.
This is Rashan McDonald. I love you. I love everybody
who listened to my show, and I hope you guys
see the growth. Hope you guys understand this show is
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about you. I'm just I'm coming from different angles to
try to reach all people by entrepreneurship, by motivating, by
planning your next dream. That's what we're doing. But more importantly,
thank you for listening to Money Making Conversation Masterclass. This
Rashan McDonald, I'm out.
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Now, let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashaan McDonald.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Outside of my man, Kurt Franklin, I know very well
this is my next Chess is one of the honest
rappers in the game. He's a Christian Rapper's name is
La Craig. He's recognized as the first artist to have
an album hit the charts at number one for both
the Billboard two hundred and the Gospel Charts simultaneously, a
multi Grammary Award winning platinum All this New York Times
bestselling author interviewed him on that book, Tremendous The Crazy Workers,
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fueled by building bridges, changing narrative, empowering a different franchise,
and restoring the dignity of those who are lost. We
were discussing his gospel career, mental health in the black community,
which we don't talk about enough, his controversial collaboration with
Blessings with my man Ti Dollar sign cause I'm trying
to figure that out because I've heard it so many times,
trying to figure that out. His new single, Your Power Will
(01:59):
Charts Tasha Cobbs, was released in time for May Mental
Health Awareness Month to create dialogue around depression therapy and
talk about the pressure of being an ideal role model.
We have a lot to unpack. Please Welcome to the Money
Making Conversations masterclass. Look, Cret, how you down, my brother?
Speaker 4 (02:16):
What's going on? It's all good man, All well, I
can't complain. I'm grateful to be here, appreciate you having me.
All we know.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Just about the fourth or fifth interview, I say a
fourth and every time I always go back to when
I first saw you and in Houston and there was
a Joel Osteen's church. It was a think the Super
Bowl gospel celebration that was taping it and you came
down that and I've never seen you and all I
can remember, and I would probably every time I interview,
I always bringing up because you know, when you see
(02:43):
something and I'm just telling you, look, gret, when you
see something special, you have to keep reminding people because
you get hit all the time and we kind of
get wolled down and we kind of like, I'm not
saying you've lost focus, but you know you tend to
like get to sway from what you your purpose. Your
purpose is the impact people like me. I'm not an
everyday church goer. You know, I'm probably close I go
(03:05):
to church with When my wife she says grace and
I say Amen' that's my regular going to church, you know,
and and when I do other church, I understand the
value of going to church when I'm in that church.
And you affected me, brother, with your talents, with your
gifts and every word. I hung on it and it
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still impacts me today when I when I see you
and I hear you talking these interviews, it's always not
just you rapping, but you are about the community and
you're about uplift. Tell everybody about La Craze.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Yeah, well, you know, I can only be authentically me,
and you know I wasn't raised in the church. That's
not my background, you know. So I wanted to create
tools and music and experiences for people like myself. You know,
what was what would raise my eyebrows and help me
realize that, you know, my faith is is bigger than
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four walls. My faith is bigger than you know, white
gloves and hats, and so I really wanted to create
something for folks like that, and that's kind of what
has been driving me ever since. So I want to
be in different realms. You know, you see me in
the prisons, the detention centers. You see me on the
court side, you know, talking to my NBA players or
(04:23):
my NFL players, You'll see me, you know, mixing it up,
you know, at different environments. But again I'm gonna be
in the church as well because I'm trying to be
well rounded.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
We know, it's really interesting. I always tell people that,
you know, when you meet somebody special, sometimes you don't
even know how to talk to. The very first time
I interview Lacraye was probably the most difficult interview because
I didn't really know how comfortable I could be with
him because he was you know, he's like, you know,
I'm a I'm a fan of hip hop, I'm a
fan of godspe was the first time I interviewed a
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Christian rapper, a rapper of hip hop. So my whole
conversation like, okay, because you know, because rap has that
that the history of you know, a tough uh violence,
uh uh, getting that bank, getting that bag, you know,
women in video, that's what that That's what when you
say the word rapper, you said the word hip hop,
that's what it entails. Do you fight that? Is that?
(05:17):
Is that something that you did that when people when
you say you're a Christian rapper, that you have to
that you have to deal with as far as being stereotyped.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Yeah, you know, you dealt with it a lot early on,
but then you realize, you know what, let me just
change the narrative. If people think, you know, all black
people are criminals, I'm not gonna walk around saying well,
I'm not black. You know, I'm gonna change your perspective.
You know, I'm gonna change your perspective of what a
black person is. And so when you come across me, uh,
(05:47):
you know, you're gonna say, well, what I thought that
they were all, Well, yeah, you thought wrong, you know,
and so, uh, you may have some perceptions about what
it is, what what a rapper who's a Christian looks
like or a Christian rapper, and how they move and
how they get down. Uh, but allow me to reintroduce myself.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
And so so with that, you know, I had Tasha
Page Lockhart early on the earlier part of the show,
and you know, it's got like my church day to
day and my gospel day to day because y'all have
different styles, you know, which is really awesome. And you
know she grew up in the church. You know, her
mom was a church you know, so it was no
options for you for her to go in that direction.
(06:25):
How did you get in this direction? First of all,
I can understand the hip hop game, but how did
the Christian part of it get get played into the
hip hop game with you? Lakray?
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yeah, well, you know, I was always a free thinking individual.
You know. My mother was was raised in the church,
and she was a face some abuse, you know, some churches.
So she didn't want me to experience that. So she
raised me to think freely to philosophy, you know, philosophy,
and I started just exploring different views and and and
I knew that I had purpose, you know. And so
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if you know you got purpose, that means, you know,
purposes that must come from somewhere. You can't just be
a cosmic accident, just a product of a big bang,
and you think you got purpose. So purpose had to
be given to me from somewhere. So I started just
investigating where that was and what that looked like. And
so I was on a college campus and decided to, uh,
you know, it was a young lady. It's always a
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young lady. Uh, you know, hey, but she uh, she
invited me to a Bible study. I said, you know,
I let me go in and check it out. And
and you know, they blew my mind because they did.
They looked like me, they dressed like me, they talked
like me, and I did not expect that. And so
I hung around a little longer, and before long, you know,
(07:39):
I met God in that group of people. And and
then it would turned into like, well man, you know
I can express myself through rap music amongst these folks
because they were people just like me, and they loved it.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, now now that that's that's God. You know, went
to the meeting. That's what I loved talking to you,
did you? And Kirk? I love talking because you just
really kind of like talk at least say, you know,
it's a like woman, that was a girl. You know,
because so many people in the in the church game
don't want to tell the truth. They don't want to
tell you that journey all the time. And the journey
is everyday life journey. Like you know, like Steve Harvey
(08:14):
used to always say, you know, uh, act like church
people don't have sex. They got some church kids from somewhere. Okay,
they came from somewhere. And now so let's go and
be honest. Now when we're talking about you and this
whole part of the process. Now you you're around these
group of people. Now you wrapping on them, you're breaking
lyrics off. Now when did the when did somebody come
(08:35):
and you go, brother, you got something here, you gotta
got you you can step this up to the next
level here, you know, because we all know that that
this this industry is tied to money. Look great, and
we know that the direction you were going ain't the
big money maker in the hip hop game. You know,
they you know, they're not saying that you broke. But
you know what a hip hop game. It's the number
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one streaming format in the world is hip hop music.
And I've talked to enough gospel artists to know what
is a what is a big seller in the gospel game.
Did that come into play? Did people tell you, man,
you need to take your skills over to the hip
hop side instead of the Christian side? What was what
was your people telling you and why did you stand
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strong in the Christian rap side?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Yeah? So I had some individuals, you know, I obviously
had the producers and the DJs who said, hey, I
like what you're doing and I think, you know, you
might want to try this on the mainstream side. You know,
that may be a better look for you, right. But
but there was a young man, you know, he was
(09:41):
older than me at the time, and he was into
uh ironically, he was in the money management. He was
a financial advisor, and I really respected him because I
had never met, you know, a young black financial advisor before.
It was it was new to me, and I really
respected him. And he he told me, he said, hey, man,
(10:02):
you really have a talent, and you know, I think
God can use you if you really, you know, put
some structure around this and begin to build on it.
And so, man, that lit a fire on me because
he was somebody I respected. You know, he had the
stuff together. Because I was nervous, you know, I was like, man,
I should I pursue this rap thing? I don't know,
(10:24):
but he gave me the encouragement to do it. Well.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
You know, it's really interesting because the whole thing that
people need to understand is that, you know, I always
telling people that's a forking roll and anything. You know,
there are a lot of people in jail because they
took the wrong fork in the roll. We all make
these decisions and whether you can walk that decision back,
I don't know. But when you make the decision. I
always say, give one hundred percent, and that's what you did.
You gave one hundred percent when you start breaking through
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those walls and started realizing that you can have a
career out of this, because that's the next step in it.
And I remember when I started doing stand up comedy.
I was just doing stand up comedy for fun. Look great,
and then I realized, you know, some people paying me
a check do this. And I realize, you know something,
I on TV doing this, and I realized, you know
something showing up to see me tell jokes. I can
make a crowd of this. But before that, it was
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a lot of it was a lot of dollars. Look great, boy,
you're gonna leave. I'll be able to do what You
better lead that good job. You better lead that good job.
You ain't that funny, You ain't that funny? You know
those daughters, man, And that's that's when I started wondering
in the whole process. That's when faith come in it.
You know your belief, you know that you have to
that you have to lock in and otherwise what are
(11:33):
you what are you fighting? Because it's so many people
can like jump into your lane and say like you said,
DJ talking about hey man, money over here, bag over here,
over here, Yeah, but money over here. You know, those
type of people are really dangerous because in the end,
we all know we're gonna fall. Will they be there
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to help you stand up? That's what you have to realize,
am I right? That's right.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
You you nailed it. That's a big piece of it.
And you know, even my mother was a little nervous,
you know. And and because of the fact that I
had a nine to five and I, you know, was
getting a severance check. But like you said, I started
doing show after show and I knew, you know, I
had a budget and I knew, okay, let me see
how much is rent? Okay, this show pay for rent?
(12:22):
This can take care okay, all right? And now you
know I planned it out a little bit and then
I made it. I made that leap of faith, like you.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Said, and it's a powerful leap, ladies, Jill, you know,
I love bringing on individuals who, you know, because of
the fact that when I when I talked to little
Crape because he's younger than me, I always I loved
because he's gonna walk in my shoes, He's gonna he
gonna make some mistakes I made, and he's gonna live
through those mistakes and he's gonna learn that he's a
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better man for it. Always it ought to be successful,
you gotta make a mistake, because that way, you won't
make that mistake. Right now, you make it two or
three times, you're not a successful person anymore. But as
you go that path and that process, the arrows and
the slings that come at you. And because the last
time we talked about we talked about money. The last
time I interviewed him, he was doing a web series
called Protect the Bag m So that means that he
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understands money. With all people were telling him, no man,
you're taking the risk. No man, don't leave that job,
No man, go hip hop. Years later you've been you're
getting paid to talk about money and financial literacy.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Wow, right, that's right, that's right, you nailed it. And again,
you know, that's why you got to stay on the
pathway that you believe he's supposed to be on, because,
like you said, those people who are doubting you, they're
not gonna pay your bills and they're not gonna be
there for you. You know, Uh, to celebrate the wins
(13:50):
with you. So you know, it's kind of like, hey man,
you at the end of the day, you got to
make a choice. And that's what I tell a lot
of my my youngins. I tell him, I say, hey,
you know nothing, and at some point in time, you're
gonna have to take a risk, you know, make it
a calculated risk and make it worth while. But don't
put too much pressure on yourself, especially if you're in
your early mid twenties. You know, if you can make
(14:10):
a couple of mistakes at twenty two, if you make
mistakes for three years or twenty two years old, you're
still gonna be in your twenties by the time. You know,
you realize what's going on. So you know, keep trying.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
You know, that's so powerful. That's so powerful. When we
come back, I got to talk to him. There's a
press release that hit the wire that may be called
his PR person and involve the song Your Power and
involve Tasha Cobb. When we come back and go talk
about that. And it was the funny story. I called
Jackie Old that's his PR person. I said, I got
to interview my boy La Crage. She said, he don't
(14:44):
do nothing at the five thirty. I said, wow, I said,
asking She called me back to the Crill do your show.
This is my boy right here. This is my boy.
That's why he's on the show. If you're right back
for more from my man La Craig.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
We'll be right back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass
with Rashawn McDonald. You are now tuned into the Money
Making Conversations Minute of Inspiration with Rashawn McDonald.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
This week, I sat down with media mobile Hollywood executive
and philanthropist Nick Cannon. Although the former child star has
experienced a long career of success with no signs of
slowing down, he explains why he's so passionate about creating
opportunities for others.
Speaker 5 (15:33):
It's all about the community. For me, It's about giving
other people opportunities. It's about opening doors and sharing their knowledge,
wealth and wisdom that I've obtained with everyone else. I mean,
you know, obviously I'm still in school. Hopefully you know,
I'll be able to you know, Hu Howard University. I
want to go all the way I'm getting my masters,
want to go to my doctorate and eventually be a
professor and teach the things that I've picked up along
(15:58):
the way. But it's all about the community, whether it's teaching,
whether it's entertaining, whether it's investing into us.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
If you want to listen to this for interview with
Nick Cannon, it's available on Money Making Conversations dot com.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Now let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashaan McDonald.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Wow, I'm back in this. Rashaan McDonald speaking to a
lot Craig. He's recognized as the first artist to have
an album to hit the charts at number one in
both Billboard two hundred and The Gospel Charice. That's right.
He's a multi multi Grammy Award winning platinum artist, New
York Times bestselling author. But it was a press release
that I saw that came across my wire talking about
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the song Your Power, which is fantastic by the way,
I listened to it several times and with Tasha Cobbs
and was talking about the church community, dealing with stereotypes,
dealing with people expecting certain things to be a certain way,
and burning gospel church people act a certain way. Can
you break it down and can in details. It's your show,
it's your forum, but I just want to understand what's
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going on in the world and why there was a
need for you and Tasha to get together.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Yeah, well, you know, Kasha and I are very vocal
about mental health. We both had struggles with mental health
that we wanted to be public about because black folks
don't talk about it as much as we need to.
And and then, you know, some of the blowback that
both of us have received from you know, certain church
(17:28):
folk about our collaborations, hers with Nicki Minaj and mine
with Todd Dollar Sign, you know, created some unnecessary tension
and pressure. And you know, you don't realize that that
stuff just keeps piling up and piling up, and no
public figure deserves to be as celebrated or criticized as
we are. And so that stuff can tend to mess
(17:50):
with your psyche. And so we just decided to take
control of that and to take you know, our mental
health back into our own hands.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Interesting now, because I do it. I do a lot
of episodes on mental health and anxiety and stress and depression,
and and on the show, my wife was listening and
I said something I told her, and I said on
the show, I deal with depression, and she and she
and Justice. Last week she said I never know you
(18:19):
dealt with any depression. And this is where this is
the problem with the black community. And you know, and
I've been with my wife since eighty two, okay, and
she's never heard me say depression or anything. And I
and she and she and I explained her. I said, well,
I just deal with it. I just I said, I'm
(18:39):
gonna tell you I've been black all my life. I said,
when I get out the car, I still get nervous
of the police officer. So just say hello to me.
Because I have doubts. I said, there's a natural lane
of stress that I'm going to deal with. And I said,
and when you're in entertainment business, explained it. Depression is
part of that because there's no guarantees. And entertainment business
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is the worst because you can be riding high, walk
in the room if somebody can tell you you're not
the one, and boy, that wild not cure. You don't
know where to go to recover from that. And so
I said, it's something about entertainment. I said, when you're
doing a regular job, forty hour week job, that's different.
I said, when you're entertainment, your hides and lows can
be extreme you can be you can walk off the
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stage to a standing ovation and go to the next
city and they're not even looking They looking like you
that they've never seen you tell a joke, a singer
or a rap song. And I said, that is what
I dealt with all my life. And so and also
when you're dealing in a in a in a lifestyle
that so many people question your decisions, so many people,
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you know, question what you do because you know what
you can say, this look crazy. I can't tell people
what I'm gonna do tomorrow. If somebody asked me, okay, Rishane,
what you're gonna do tomorrow, I know I got a
lot of things I'm gonna do, but I can't tell you.
Like if you he was a bank teller, you could
tell us what you're gonna do. If you drove trucks,
you could tell us what you can do. If you
were a scientist, you can tell us we won't do.
But as an entrepreneur in the entertainment business, there's no
(20:11):
lines of description that you can say, when I wake up,
this is my day, right.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
That's right, that's right. No, yeah, I mean it fluctuates
from from day to day, and you know, you can
try to build in some kind of consistency, but at
the end of the day, you know, different things come
up and different things happening, so you got to make
amends and you got to you know, move accordingly, and
so yeah, that can create stress. And again, you know,
(20:36):
we we were talk not to talk about those types
of things. I mean, once upon a time we weren't
even allowed to talk about the right things. They tapped
in Martin Luther King's phone so he couldn't tell better
let anybody know what he was going through. And so
you know, that stuff just goes on and on down
the line, where today we know it's kind of like
we got so many things to deal with. We don't
talk about what's going on mentally and emotionally, and you know,
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it hinders us from being healthy. So so music has
been a part of our healing regiment. And that's why
I'm grateful to be able to be a musician, because
I can create some medicine for some folks. I mean,
you still might need to go to.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
The doctor right right, because because that's really the problem
in our community. Because we I always tell people this
in the first of all, I don't jump hard on
people who who are slow in understanding that you need
to go to a doctor because of the fact that
we know we're the first hired, last fire, you know,
first first, last hired, first fire. Okay, so we always
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I remember when I look crazy when I had cancer.
You know, I didn't even know if I could reveal
that because it might cost me my career, might cost
me a job. People might look at my age and
cancer and think I'm not hiring that dude anymore. So,
so as a person of color, there's so many things
that we have to consider before we tell somebody I
(21:53):
need help. It's so many things we can before we
tell somebody that, and it might become across as a
sign of weakness. Of people who you consider your friends
might shy away from you because they don't know how
to deal with you. And they might use the word,
you know, the street word. He crazy, He crazy, I
don't know, he acting strange. And so those are the
things that before I jump down there and go hey man,
(22:14):
black people, they're the worst black people. They got mental problem.
They don't want to talk about it. People need to
step back. As a black man, I'm just talking for
myself now, this a black woman. Brother, I've been dealing
with a lot. I know I've had jobs I should
have gotten. I know they are better comedy writers out
there that I were better there, and I should they
(22:34):
got a development deal, but they got it. I know
they were comedy shows. I should have been the headline
and I was the middle act. I know they are
checks that should have been bigger for me, but I
didn't get it. All those things I have to just
as they say, suck it up and move on. That
is entertainment and that can lead you to depression.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
That's right. And you nailed the hammer on the head
and we got to do a better job at navigating
things and and uh and and helping other people find freedom.
And so that's you know, exactly what I aim to do.
That's what I make it my mission to do is
to help people find freedom. Whether that's music, whether that
is you know, conversation, whatever it is, that's what I
(23:14):
want to do.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
What you know the thing about is that when we
talk to create, I'm not trying to depress anybody. I
have energy in my voice, and when I'm talking to
you have energy because we've we've had so many conversations
when I when I had you on the show about
your book. You can't get any more honest than that book?
Was that which became a New York Times bestseller? Well,
we talked that was a different conversation. We talked about,
(23:37):
you know, protect the bag. That was a different conversation.
Now we're talking about mental health. How can we get
our black community to start raising their hand? How can
we help them out?
Speaker 4 (23:46):
La Craig, Well, we you know, we got to follow
follow some of our leaders, Taraji p Henson, the Rock
Uh uh, you know, Michelle Williams, you know myself.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
You know, these are weird individuals who are being vocal
about this because we're letting you know that you're not alone.
And so what do you have to be ashamed? But
what can you lose? You know, by being honest with
yourself about getting from healing. You know, I'm not telling
you to tell the world. I'm telling you to tell
your doctor. You know what I mean. And so, you know,
(24:22):
what do you have to lose? You have everything to gain.
And I can tell you on this side of Grammys
and billboards and all these awards in Adelaide that I'm
better for it. No, you got nothing to lose and
everything the game.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Now that the single power? How did that come about?
Did you deal with Tasha Cobb?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
So? So, Tasha heard some of my music and historically
and we talked about doing something together, and I thought, man,
that's gonna be an interesting mashup, you know what, you
being traditional gospel and me being rapped. But we found
the right music in the right you know, kind of
combination and it became something special.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Wow. Now now I'm trying to get some some clarity
on this, this this controversy with Blessings that you deal
with Todd Dollars side. That was twenty seventeen, right, yeah, man,
twenty sevent I'll tell you something. I'm telling because I
do this song back then because I loved it. Now
I went did he do a remix? Did he what?
(25:22):
Because I went before the before the All day to day,
I've been going through Google. I've been going through all
the search engines trying to find why are they hanging
on this song? Why Blessings?
Speaker 4 (25:35):
You know, I wish I knew, I wish I knew.
You know, they just keep trying to find But that's
how that's how it is. You know, you must be
doing something right if people looking for something wrong with
what you got going on, so you know, just you know,
for me, I just keep pushing.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Well, I'm gonna tell you something. Brother, Listen to me. Man,
you are one of my favorite people of Creamy and
last time we talked, we talked. I was supposed to
come by your building and you supposed to come by
my building. Now this time we gotta make it happen.
And then every time I talk to you, man, we
gotta do something together, man for the community event together.
(26:11):
And I'm just I'm just telling everybody right now because
every time I talk to him, I get closer and
closer to his brother to understand that he's just a
younger version of me. Y'all. He's just a younger version
of me, and Lord have mercy, we gotta do something
about that. I gotta meet the younger version of me.
I'm calling my young twin, and let's make a difference
because your special brother, and I love you for that.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Man, I appreciate you. It's an honor and a pleasure.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Just the one and on it look cray, thank you
for thank you for making time, thank you for giving
me a little time out after five thirty look crag
five thirty to talk to me, man, but you stay
blessed brother, and we'll talk soon.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Man.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
I'm very serious. I owe you a visit to your building.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Okay, all right, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Talk to your own that's look Cray. Everybody an incredible
guy single I call Your Power with Tasha Cobs. And
if you want to hear a great song, listen to Blessing.
It's a really, really great song by Todd dollad Sign
came out in twenty seventeen. There's no controversy at all.
This is Rashan McDonald. I love you. I love everybody
who listened to my show, and I hope you guys
see the growth. Hope you guys understand this show is
(27:14):
about you. I'm just I'm coming from different angles to
try to reach all people by entrepreneurship, by motivating, by
planning your next dream. That's what we're doing. But more importantly,
thank you for listening to Money Making Conversation Masterclass. This
Rashan McDonald, I'm out.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Thank you for joining us for this edition of Money
Making Conversations master Class. Money Making Conversations Masterclass with rough
Shan McDonald is produced by thirty eight to fifteen Media Inc.
More information about thirty eight to fifteen Media Inc. Is
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remember to lead with your gifts.
Host
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