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My guest is Jackson Dumbar. Life was almost perfect for
social entrepreneur Jackson Dunbar, the founder of the Well Mad
(01:57):
Foundation and well Mad Atlanta. It privately on psychiatric medical firm.
It seemed that everything was going extremely well until a
tragic car accident nearly took his life. Thankfully, he lived,
but he lost his quality of life as chronic pain
made it impossible for him to walk normally, play with
his kids, or even hook his wife. In his tell
(02:17):
all book Race Matters in Pain Medicine, Jackson Dunbar Squire
gives a first hand account on how he made money,
lost ninety pounds, and thrived in chronic pain. Please work
with the Money Making Conversations Masterclass, Jackson.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Dunbar, Hello, how are you?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Thank you for having me?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Well, thank you. I read the book. I got the book.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I'm gonna let you know like I got it, and
it's a good read. First of all, but it was
an honest it was an honest book.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Man.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Wow, let's let's talk about first of all, how are
you doing now physically?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Physically? What today was an okay pain day? As a
chronic pain patient where on medicine that really impairs our
cognitive functions? So I think today what it was okay?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
So you're saying even today you have to deal with.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Pain, Yes, yes, yes, I had that accident back and
yeah yeah yeah, So for the last eight years, I've
been doing the dance for chronic pain, and yes, I
had to learn how to manage it. I which was
one of the reasons why I wrote my book. I
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was fortunate I had resources and so could put together
a team that could that could teach me how to
manage the pain. And a friend suggested that I write
a book because most people aren't as fortunate to have
those sort of resources.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Well, you know, let's let's talk about this.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Let's talk about let's go back, because I don't want
I don't leave anybody in the dark about how this happened.
You know, you were just a short scenario. Your son
was in the backseat, you were driving. Your father, who
who had passed away, gave you his two thousand and
four BMW. He said, if you want to look successful,
you need to drive successful. It was one of the
things and he was making a turn. Now the story
(04:10):
is yours. Tell us what happened.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Yes, yes, I closed the biggest stal of well met Atlanta.
We're a group of child and ialysts and psychiatrists here
in Atlanta, and I just closed the biggest deal of
our company's history. Forty margins. In fact, I was telling
my wife, Hey, big daddy's coming home. Make sure, make
(04:33):
sure you're ready. All I had to do is take
my son to a soccer game and we'll go from there.
And I took him to a soccer game and someone
ran a yield sign and yeah, it was like a
tale of two different worlds. Let's see, they were running
to me. My sho would be okay, Thank god. He
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would end up playing soccer a couple of days later.
Me not so much. I would have of back procedures,
a batch back surgery, and in the end I was
diagnosed with having permitive nerve damage, which would cause chronic
pain for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Well, let's talk about what happened at the accident. You know,
because this young lady who was five foot seven in
your book says she's white, and you were dealing with pain,
and when people showed up, no one paid attention to you.
They only paid attention to her. What was your thoughts
on that, because you explained about it, and you explained
it in your book.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Well, it was weird because I was more concerned about
the smoke and the pain that I was in and
just thinking, God, my son was fine. It was my
son that that saw that he's very insightful. And after
the fourth or fifth card went by and they kept
asking her if she was okay and said nothing to us.
(05:51):
My son said, so, why is that why she caused
the accident? You know, why aren't they asking if we're okay?
And that was on the side of the road. I
had to have the top every black man has to
have with his son about racism. You know, we tried
to shield our kids from that, but I had to
have a frank discussion about how society for the most
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part protects white women and not so much us. And
it was a real how.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Did he take that conversation?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I know he was young, but how did he what
did he consume or what did he take away from that?
Because I know he was trying to be polite in
your conversation and because you was already trying to shield him,
but he asked a question that you didn't expect to
be in the situation to respond, but you had to respond.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Yeah. I did, Yes, I did respond. And what I
and the way he responded was he said, okay, I mean,
I mean, my son's one of these kids. He's really thoughtful,
and he listened on and I think that was his
awakening of the racism that we have society.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
In fact, there were times when he yelled. I mean,
he and I were very physical. We used to bike
to Stell Mountain and back. I would have him on
the back. I would have him on the back of
my bike. We were running together, and all that was gone.
He was really angry at the woman because of the
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accident and for taking his father away. It was a
real trying time those first few years after the accident.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Well know, I had.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
A long collapsed when I was in Los Angeles and
I stayed in the hospital for thirty days. You know,
just I can relate in some ways to your chronic pain.
I remember when I was in the hospital, they gave
me a morphine drip because the pain. You know, if
anybody's been in a hospital situation, you press the button
if you have pain. Of course, after a while, it
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will stop giving you the drug, otherwise you become addicted
to it. But you still pressing, You still pressing because
the pain didn't go away. And so that experience of frustration,
because I know at least three times I was checking
out of the hospital and I had to go back
in because my long recollapse. Here you are in your
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life twenty fifteen, roughly eight years later, you're still dealing
with a pain that, due to my physical blessings, I
am not dealing with. But I know that pain, that pain.
When you have a machine over there, there's a drip, morphingdrim.
When they give you that machine, they know you are
in pain. And so you're telling me that you hurt
your back, correct, yes, sir, And so we all know
(08:40):
when you hurt your back, you realize how powerful or
how important your back is getting out of bed, walking
just lifting things.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
How did that your little physical life.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Had turned upside down? Correct?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yes, yes, and it's there were times, especially when they
took the pain medicine away, that I couldn't even make
it up the stairs in my home. I would collapse
because the left side of my body is weaker than
the right, and I just collapsed just in the way
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to my body. I would be on the floor. My
kids would come looking at me, and I would have
to lie to them and say I wasn't in pain,
and they were looking at me like I was nuts.
And it's like, why is it that no one and
no one would give me more minutes. And it was
(09:35):
weird because at the time I thought I was going
I thought I was going nuts. And you're right. You
can't play with your kids, you can't use the restroom,
you can't. Yeah, all the simple things I cut in
the grass. You know, I used to do all the
driving when we went on trips. You know, I could
(09:56):
barely get in the car now. So this was a
real pair of This was a whole paradigm shift from
my entire family.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Let's talk about this because you know, the whole thing
about I'm working on a big.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Project is tied to sickle sale.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
And one of the things that people who have sickle
cell when they go to the hospital in a crisis,
you know a lot of doctors or hospitals don't want
to give them medicine or drugs to reduce the pain
because they look them as drug seekers. That's a term
that you use in your book, that people perceive you
when you complain about your back, that they question your
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pain and saw you as a black man, a drug seeker.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Correct, that's what you said in your book, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
And it's weird because it wouldn't met and it's weird
because if I look at my background, I'm a job
creator here in Atlanta. I also have a lot of
gree in in NBA from a top tier school. And
none of that mattered. Nothing, No, And not only that,
(11:04):
not only that, I had I had images from an
MRI and an EG which stayed that, hey, this guy
has permanent nerve damage in this point. Yet they still
wouldn't give me the medication. They still thought I was
pain seeking and I thought it was crazy. And then
one day, you know, I decided to get my head
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around it and see if this was happening to other people.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Right, And I'm telling you it is, especially in sickle
cell patients. Yes, And that's said now Jackson, because in
your book, you know, you talk about the whole it's
a crisis you under you know, like I said, mine
was thirty days, and of course when I got out
of the hospital, I had to have rehab and recovery,
and eventually I recovered from that. But I always remember
(11:52):
that that crisis, you know, the inability to control your
destiny because you're a very confident man, very successful man,
and all of a sudden you put in a physical crisis.
You can't even play with your kids. You can't even
get out of bed. Your wife probably has to assist
you are doing normal things. Some drops on the floor,
you can't reach down and pick it up. It starts
to question your term being a man in a relationship.
(12:17):
What is your role? How did you deal with that?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
To be honest, that was tough. My father, my father,
like many men of this generation after Vietnam, got married,
had kids.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Right.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
He always stressed to me and my brother that we
should go out, have our fun, get educated, and we
shouldn't be and we shouldn't get married to Abel until
we are able to buy our own home. Okay, And
that's what I did. I bought a four condo, fix
a rupper and then I'm like, okay, I'm ready to
get married. And so when I got married, it's hey,
(12:54):
I'm the man. I'm supposed to produce. That's how I
judge myself. And so, thanks free to God, I was
able to do all of that. And then all of
a sudden that have all that taken away. It was
wadded out. One of the stadtest points of my life.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Now, you know, here's the thing I'm talking to. Jackson Dunbar.
His life changed ladies and gentlemen. He's changed an accident,
the car accident. Fortunately fortunately for him, his son was
safe and was unharmed, but his life changed and another
person caused that change. When we come back, we're going
to talk about the insurance companies now, because that's another
game he had to deal with, that black white game
(13:34):
that we always have to deal with. Who's gonna pay
and how much they gonna pay, and how he had
to approach dealing with those issues. All this is in
his book Made Money, Lost ninety Pounds and Thrived in
Chronic Pain, Race Matters and Pay Medicine by Jackson Dunbar Squire.
We'll be right back for more money Making Conversation.
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I grew up in the inner city of Miami. Part
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And when I realized that what we were doing was
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Speaker 2 (15:00):
I'm talking to a successful man, the entrepreneur whose life
was turned upside down in twenty fifteen when a car
accident changed him physically.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Changed the way he approached life. Changed.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
His relationship with his child, changed, the relationship with his wife,
change the relationship with his friend. More important, it changed
how he looked at life. Because of his race, he
was being treated differently. He's being treated. He was treated
differently at the accident, He's being treated differently when he
tried to seek medical care, he treated differently, when the
drugs that he was requested when being denied to him
(15:31):
with all the At what point in this whole game,
Because it's a game, it's a game of race, Jackson
Dunbar that you felt you needed to fight back.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I think the first time the insurance company tried to
low bid me. And working in mental health, I know
the insurance game is about time value of money. The
longer they can hold we pay our insurance payments a
month with the expectation of something happened. The insurance company
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will pay.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Up that false expectations, you know, because they have the
little rules. They'll pay this, but they may not pay that,
you know, But you don't tell you all the minor details.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yes, yes, yes, And so what ended up happening was
after I got a little bit from the fire insurance company,
after the health insurance companies started denying claims, I realized, hey,
you know what I got. I got this legal mind.
(16:35):
Even though my body isn't where it should be, I
should be able to use that. So what I did
was what the insurance company. I found my lawyer, or
I found a lawyer who I thought could helped me
win a case against someone who lived in who lived
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in Cobb County. Now, the thing about the person that
it me, she took ownership. She's what we would call
a good defendant. People wouldn't necessarily throw the book at her.
In fact, they probably feel sorry for her because of
because of what happened. And so I needed someone that
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could win given that sort of environment. So I went
and did that. Then also I know how the insurance
company played I health insurance companies typically deny one or
two times. They are these fans called coordination of benefits
and with and it's what people and it's what the
insurance company sends you. And it basically shows what the
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insurance company pays and then what you pay. So most
people don't look at that until we get to build.
When I got it and saw that the insurance company
denied the claim, I called them, Hey, what's going on
with this? You approved it? They sent it back a
month later, and then they approved it, but they approved
it out of network. People wouldn't insurance know if you've
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seen the provider out of network, you pay more money.
And it took three different times and then finally with
the end of.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
The day, you in pain, right, you in pain.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
All this pain, and I'm like yelling at People's the
funny story, you know. My kids were telling me I
was yelling and cussing a lot because of the pain,
and I said, okay, okay. So they wanted to do
a swear dar. I'm like fine, So one day I'm
yelling at the assurance cut me. My daughter's there and
what are you doing. I'm making money. She's writing down
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all the time. I'm like yelling and swearing at the
insurance companies because I knew the tactics. By the third time,
they paid for it. Let's see, they paid for it. It
was in that worked, everything was good, and that took
about four months. Normally that process can go on at
least a year, because it may take you four or
(18:54):
five months to really look at your EOB and then
trying to figure out what's going on. Typically most people
get the bill and by then, yeah, you're gonna you're
gonna be fighting the insurance company for months. The car
insurance company.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
There was two car insurance you were dealing you're dealing
with her car insurance, and you had to deal with
your car insurance right because her car insurance would only
pay so much. Then you have to wind up fighting
with the fair car insurance that you pay, making these
monthly payments to have insurance.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yes, I did. And and my my my attorney at
the time was funny. He said, you know what, Okay,
her car insurance is going to pay. Your car insurance
company is now known for snake like behavior. So what
you're going to have to do is trust me. And
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but the thing about it, Jackson, is that you are
a great playman. What do you mean. I mean, well, hey, listen,
you got a law degree, you're well spoken, you're a
married man, you're a family man, you're a business owner.
I love I love people like you. All you got
to do is go in there and impress them. And
I tell people, when when you go to these depositions,
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you know, uh, make sure your clean cut, make sure
you got to you're you're wearing nice clothes, and and
make sure you take the time to frame the narrative
so that the lawyer on the opposing side realizes that, hey,
you know what, we got to like this person to
check or we're going to lose. And that was something
(20:29):
they taught me in law school years ago. Something I've
learned closing deals, uh, closing deals as a businessman here
in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
You know what amazes to me the most about this conversation,
Jackson Dunbar, is that we you know, success supposed to
make your life easier, and we know what you're talking
when they're when they're insinuating about people who aren't married,
or people who have lesser education, how they get treated.
That's all he's saying, is that, And that's where race
comes into play. How people can stereotype you. And I've
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been stereotyped all my life because I'm black. I've been
in stereotyped because of the color of my skin. Buying
houses or or getting my houses appraised, I've been stereotyped.
You know, you've read the stories people that brought in
changed their photos in the house the white people or
and had act like they didn't live there, and they
appraisers were higher when in those situations. You know, but
(21:26):
as a person who battles and stealing chronic pain because
you got up to almost three hundred and fifty pounds
in weight, when I read in the book and you
lost ninety pounds of the process because a young man
I shouldn't say he was in the seventies, told you
you're going to die if you don't lose this weight.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
And it all happened because of an accident.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Yes, indeed, and that doctor really changed my life. He
was an Emory doctor, seventy years old, former paratroot for believing.
He and I used to buy so we had a
lot in common. He had what I call an offense.
We had an offense what we had an affinity with
each other. And I tell people, if you don't have
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that affinity with your doctor, you're not going to get
the type of treatment that you need. And he asked
me if you could swim, and I'm like, yes, but
I'm not going to swim without my lower body. Just
use your arms, Okay. Cool. So I'm a member of
the way Walker ymcah and started swimming in that pool.
(22:30):
And you know what, at three point fifty, big big
gut going out there, I had. I had sixty year
old women swimming around me, splashing water in my face,
looking at me, kind of whatever.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
So you three hundred and fifty pound I toller you,
I toller you. I'm six one, six one through it.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
So you you carrying a lot of space out there,
six pound, so you walk into the out there so
so so it's like, you know, you a big guy
coming in. And I remember when you you realized that
drugs have value. But I say drugs have value when
you went cruising and you left your drugs into in
your cabin and they were stolen.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Yes, so you got educated.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
On that end too.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
You got educated by these women swimming around you. At
three hundred and fifty pounds, a seventy year old God
tells you if you don't lose weight, you're gonna die.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
You go cruising and they steer your your medicine.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yes, yes, and and and that and we and that
was bad because my medge got stolen day one on
a seven day cruise. And the doctor on that ship
wasn't like anything on the love boat. And he didn't
he didn't believe me that I needed the meds. He
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gave me a new profen. I'm my God, that's not
going to do anything. He wouldn't write of spirit.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
He gave you, I have a profen and replace of
the medicines that you actually needed.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Yes, and you knows. And here's the thing. My wife
is a medical doctor, right, and tried to talk to
the person doctor, the doctor and still instill basically threw
us out of his office. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
And this is on the cruise ship.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Yes, wow, yeah, yeah. You know it's hard to have
a bad time on a cruise and I found out
how to do it. Well, you know, you taught me
a good lesson. No matter where I go, I lock
up my meds, they always stay with me.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Well, this is true. A lot of people don't understand
other people. What you might consider regular might have street value.
And that's what you discovered that your drugs had street vague.
And so that's the guy that the porter in your
room said he actually need threw it away, but he
probably stole it because he can actually go out there
and make money with it. But you know, as we
close this, you know, this book was rather fascinating to me,
(24:52):
and you know, I know you do.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I know you're a successful entrepreneur and especially.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
In the well made foundation and the well made Atlanta
private your own psychiatric medical firm. As we close this out,
because we've just been talking about physical we's been talking
about the physicality of what you couldn't do. How did
that impact you mentally?
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
I think now that was Now it did, And a
lot of that is because I think we as black
men were raised that real black men don't need therapy.
In fact, that's my favorite chapter in the book. And
they're fifteen million chronic pain patients out there. And what
I say is that if you don't have if you
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don't have a good mental health team, a good psychologist
and a psychiatrist that specialize in pain management working on
you in your life, you won't be able to reclaim
your life. And that's hard for us. And I own
a psychiat I own a psychiatric consulting firm. I am
psychiatrists all around me. All of them were saying, hey, listen,
(25:58):
you need to see someone and I will and believe
it right. And it wasn't until what what I took
my daughter. I took my daughter to the hair store
and the person there was really rude. I started yelling
at them, and then my daughter ran away. She was
afraid of me.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
And that was that was maybe what four years into
this odyssey. And at that point I got a good
mental healtee, and what the psychiatrist was able to do
was fascinating. She basically what happens is that you may
have a pain management doctor, you may have an attorneys,
you may have a urologist and a few other folks,
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and all of them are giving you different medications. So
by the end you could be taking packing to twenty
pills a day, two three times a day. So what
the psychiatrist was able to do was actually going through
all the medications and say, Okay, that was making you crazy,
that was making you gain weight, Here's what I'm going
to do. And from there, Bam, I was able to
(26:59):
be myself about about three or four hours out of
the day I was, and then I was able to
put together strategies, Strategies on how to navigate medical racism,
strategies on how to make money even though I couldn't work,
(27:19):
strategies on how to lose weight even though I was
on meds that made you gang weight, and then finally,
strategies on how to thrive even though I was on
medications that made you suicidal, and and I was working.
I was I was a volunteer at Senator Raffia Warnocks
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campaign and I was there with this minister. We were
talking about this. She said out this anger. She's like,
you know what, you got a lot of anger there.
Maybe you should write a book about this whole thing.
And I'm like, hey, maybe what I learned could help
other people. And so that's and that's why I wrote it.
You know, what do you do? What do you do
(28:06):
to navigate medical racism? How do you make money when
you're crying to pain? You can't? How do you let's see,
how do you thrive when you're on medication that makes
you crazy? And how do you lose weight when you
run pay medication that makes you gain weight? So that
was why I wrote the book.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Well, well, friend, it was an incredible read. How can
we get in touch with you Jackson?
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Okay, that's when it get in touch with me is
to go to Jackson dumbar dot com. That's Jackson dumbbar
dot com. Uh, you can even hit me up on
I g at jack fights Racism.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Wow, now, Jackson Dunbar. There's a contact link on your
website that they can fill out a form and you respond.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
To yes, yes, yes, they hit that link and once
they do, if they have any questions about some of
them money and make because I'm really big on investing.
I'm really big on investing because, in my view, is
the only way that someone in cron of pain can
and make money. And it's not as hard as people think.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Well, that's another conversation now, you know. I wanted to
get through this book. I got another guest, incredible guests
that I want to talk to in this other half
hundred hour. But the most important thing I wanted to
tell this story. If you have time, love to bring
you back to talk about the investment side of being
able to apply yourself and not let physicality or chronic pain,
or disappointment or lost dreams stop you from achieving in
(29:35):
another area. That's another side of your life that I
thought was really important. But I had never any interview
with anybody who had an accent like that. Still dealing
with the pain today, dealt with so much denial, mister Dunbar.
You incredible. I appreciate you coming on the show again.
Is tell all book, Race Matters and Pain Medicine by
Jackson Dunbar x squire And where's that website? One more
(29:56):
time as we close out the interview.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Yeah, thank you. Things it's that Jacksondumbar dot com. That's
Jackson Dumbar dot com or ig at jackvice racism.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
We'll talk to my friend. Stay healthy, Stay healthy.
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She's on the line, she's waiting, Tracy Hudson. If you
want to know about beauty, you know, like my especial skincare.
That's what I brought her on the show, skincare. I'm
a man. I worry about my skin too. Maybe she
can give me some advice. She deals with a lot
of celebrities. I'm just a regular dude, and all my
listeners just regular people. So Tracy, help out the regular people.
(31:46):
I know you doing it with the celebrities, but help
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Hi, I'm Rashan McDonald's a Money Making Conversation Masterclass with
your daily minute of inspiration. During a conversation with speaker
Arthur and motivator Lisa Nichols. She talked about why she
pursues abundance versus wealth.
Speaker 9 (32:17):
I realize that there's a complete distinction between wealth. Wealth
is a unilateral conversation around money and possessions.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
That's wealth, and while that's.
Speaker 10 (32:26):
An indicator of some level.
Speaker 9 (32:28):
Of success, wealth is not the ultimate indicator of success.
Abundance is abundance, is not just the unilateral category called wealth,
money and possession. Abundance is abundance in your relationships, abundant
in having health wealth abundant, and having spiritual wealth abundant,
(32:49):
and having financial wealth. It's one category of a very
large picture.
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This full interview with Lisa Nichols is available on Moneymaking
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Speaker 5 (32:58):
Welcome back to the Money Making Conversations Masterclass hosted by
Rashaan MacDonald.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
My guest Season on the Line, Tracy Hudson, the average
American woman beauty routine exposed us to more than one
hundred and fifty different toxins and chemicals every single day
for Tracy Hudson's skincare. That's Tracy Hudson's skincare. Nothing about
that is acceptable. As a celebrity esthetician training in dermatology,
working alongside a physician and dermatologists. Since two thousand and six,
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Tracy has researched skin, educating her audience and building the
award winning line of products. Her hands on experience as
an esthetician and trusted skincare expert has created a real
world solution products that are formulated for different types of skin.
That's important. I have all these skin, ladies, and I
don't have dry skin. Tracy has a long list of
notable clients, including Monica the singer, DL Hughley, the comedian,
(33:50):
Ardor Day, the singer Anthony anders Is, the comic actor
according to b Vance, the great actor, Michelle Williams, ooh singer.
It's a loan both of these people from Houston, Texas.
Tyler to the creator and Besha way up. Please welcome
the Money Money Making Conversation Masterclass to one and only
Tracy Hudson.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
How you doing, Tracy?
Speaker 10 (34:09):
Hello, good evening. I think where you are? Thanks for
having me?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Well, I come from Atlanta. I'm in Atlanta. My shore
originates from Atlanta. And you know syndication nationally and you're
I'm assuming in Los Angeles, California.
Speaker 10 (34:22):
I am in La. Yeah, so we've got about a
three hour time different, so it's evening for you and
and maybe late afternoon.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Absolutely, So you thought all these celebrity names, and I
know I know Monica, I know d L. I know
Anthony Anderson, and I know Michelle was very well and
all of them have great skin?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Is it because of you, Tracy? Is it because of you?
Speaker 10 (34:43):
You know? You know what? Well? First of all, of course,
I'm gonna take one hupful responsibility for that. And most
of the people that you mentioned have been with me
for years. Right, Monica has already really great skin. I
enhanced it, but yeah, most d L. In fact, ironically
Dale just is gonna to be here in about twenty
minutes for his treatment.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
So please tell them that's my frat brother. Now, please
tell us my frat brother.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
You know, actually got two of my frat brother doh
is a frat brother or make USI five fraternity and
Anthony Anderson is also another one of my frat brothers.
Speaker 10 (35:14):
So just let you know that that is so ironic.
So Anthony was in her yesterday and we had just
he keeps me and they both keep me in stitches.
I'm trying to focus and do their skin and they're
just you know, they're just keeping me in stitches. But yeah,
Anthony was in her yesterday and Gale is and they're
very open about sharing. I have to say that there.
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I have a really great client base and they're really
just lovely. You know, I'm not doing anything highly confidential,
so they're really lovely about sharing and you know, and
you know, and it's a beautiful thing. So yeah, DL
will be in here in about thirty minutes.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Now here's the thing I missed you. I'm tell you
I missed you because I left LA in two thousand
and five and all the time I was rolling through
Englewood in different places trying to get you know, trying
to get my skin right. And you know when I
say that, I mean you know, the uh, the black
little the little bumps you try to get off your face,
(36:09):
try to keep your kin, skin smooth. And so I've
been this way ever since I was a toddler. When
I say todd, I say about eight years old. I
was always worried about my skin. I was always worried
about how can I take care of because I didn't
want acne, I didn't want bumps in my face for
somebod In my mind, it dawned on me that there
was a process, and early on, when I didn't have
(36:31):
any money, the original process was wash your face and
warm water and then rented in cold water. The warm
water opens your pores and the cold water will close
the poors.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Was Is that correct?
Speaker 10 (36:44):
No?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Oh my god, I've been doing it.
Speaker 10 (36:54):
You have, you have it essentially, it's the concept that's
a little bit off. You want you want to cleanse
your skin, and you want to there's a couple of things.
Your skin, a skincare, a good solid skincare routine, right,
So you want to cleanse your skin twice a day.
Warm water is correct. Warm that's fine. But if you
choose to rinse it at the very end, once your
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skin is clean, you want to do a cold rent
that's not necessary. But that's perfectly fine. I mean, you
were a kid, so it's you know, sort of I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I'm just let you know, doing it as adult today,
I'm still that's my fairy.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Then.
Speaker 10 (37:27):
That's that's why I want to I just want to
clarify because I have clients who make the mistake of
washing their face with cold water, and that's not you. Yeah,
you want to make sure it's clean. But if you
want to do that last rint like sometimes hair dressers
do with it the hair, that's perfectly fine. But but
I also you said course open and close, right, it's
course not. It's not a muscle. So they and a lot
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of people think they open and close. They do not.
So hot water does not open it and cold water
does not close them.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
I'm quiet because all my life, Tracy, I've been doing
this fifty years.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
I've been watching my face like this over fifty years.
Speaker 10 (38:07):
Well, you know, your your skin. You're in a good place.
It's not bad. But understanding the concept you're not. You're
really not far off. The market's just understanding that hot
water or warm water is not opening. It's not the
opening and closing up the poors.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Let me just stop.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
This is a good conversation. First of all, because somewhere
I've read this, now have I not read this? Isn't
it written somewhere that you that warm water opens your
pores and close cold water closes?
Speaker 10 (38:33):
It's not any you you know, it's similar to me
if you find it, if you find someone who's still
writing that, so what happened?
Speaker 3 (38:40):
But it was written like that at one time, right, not.
Speaker 10 (38:43):
It could have been. It could have been because I
know that a lot of people. I think the skin
care has evolved, and skin the education around it has
evolved so much. People care more about their skin. They
want glowing skin, they want healthy skin. They don't want
to have the women don't want to have to makeup.
Women and men don't want to have to wear makeup
and all that. So there's been an evolution, and so
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there's been a lot of correction and a lot of
debunking of myths. So that is, pores are not muscles.
They don't open and close. There's no you can refine them.
You can make the smaller facials make them look smaller.
Chemical pills refine them and make them smaller, using retinall
makes them look smaller. These kinds of things, you know,
but they don't. It doesn't open. And if you think
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about it, you know the pores in your skin that
for your sabacious glands, they don't open and close.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
They just I'm just going to tell you you have
knocked me off the horse. Now that's a good thing,
because sometimes you got to get information. You're telling me
the truth. I bring people on the show for information
and education. I brought you in the show because I'm thinking,
I'm mister smarty pants. I've been doing it right all
my life, so so you know, I got I got
you know, soap, you know, the little soap with little
(39:53):
you know, put it on my face. So what should
one do? What should Rushan McDonald do now that he
knows that warm water doesn't open pores and close cold
water after you wash your face and cold water doesn't
close your pors. What should I be doing before I
wake up in the morning, and what should I be
doing when I go to sleep at night?
Speaker 10 (40:11):
Fantastic. You want to start off cleansing your skin, and
you want a quality cleanser. I'm going to kind of
go off off topic here a little bit and talk
about how important it is to use well formulated products,
because I heard you say a little soap in it,
and that's what makes the difference in terms of making
your pores look more refined. There's a difference between over
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the counter skincare, the things you buy at the grocery
store that that your local drug store, and things that
are well formulated, things that are a medical grade and
medical grade does not necessarily mean it's going to cost
you more. Okay, So in terms of that that cost perception,
a lot of people have tons of products under their stink,
whereas if you have a well formulated cleanser that's been showed,
(40:54):
that's been tailored for you. So you saw, it's a
matter of DA regulation in making sure that the active
ingredients that are supposed to be and the products are
in it. Over the counter, FAA does not, WRE does
not regulate products. They don't regular, there's no clinical studies,
they're not regulated, and they're pretty they're not tailored. You
go into the store, you buy, nobody's there to help you,
(41:16):
and you buy whatever you buy, and a hundred people
can buy the same thing. Right. So you just at
the top you said you had oily skin, but that's dry,
So would they used to send cleanser No, Right, so
I knew that for a fact. Now, yeah, so you
need if you have oily skin, you need different cleanser
dry skin. If you have skin, you have sensitive skin,
(41:37):
if you have aging skin. So you want things to
be tailored somewhat. And at the end of the day,
in terms of money, it becomes cost effective because you're
not buying a bunch of things that aren't working. That's
just laying in your bathroom sink. You know, people have
tons of products that they don't I see these clients
all the time, this is just working for you, and
they say to me no, and they go out and
(41:57):
buy something else, and something else and something else. So
really kind of getting on board with a really good
aspetian who can guide you along. Just like you and
I always say that you seek a dentist for your teeth,
you succeed, seek a doctor for health benefits. You don't
kind of go to the you know, you might guess
a little bit, go get some ask front or something.
But you know, people are I think, leaning into a
(42:17):
little bit more finding an expetition to guide them along
so that their skin looks great and then they can
focus on doing their job well.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
You know, Trasa, first of all, thank you for calling
in the show.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
And you know, I, you know, this has been an
eye opener for me because of the fact that you know, I,
you know, I have facial hair. Sometimes I have a
beerd sometimes I have or now have a go tee
Van Dyke it is, let's say, and so so that
means sometimes my facial My face is pretty much covered
right now. I have a Van Dyke, so my skin
is partially exposed, and so I have So I'm dealing
(42:51):
with that because when you know, when you have a beard,
you know, dead skin and all that stuff you have
to deal with. So do you deal with indie videws
who have hair on their face? Are you dealing with
clean people who have clean faces?
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Or how did this Anthony?
Speaker 10 (43:07):
Anthony was just Anthony comes in. Yes, yes he's got
a full but yeah, yeah, I have clients who have
absolutely you know, and you and I you know again,
they're very generous and I'm so appreciative, but they allow
me to share their services. And you'll see me go
through his beard, you know, I actually go through it
and make sure the skin underneath the beard is treated. Yeah,
(43:29):
so you know, we don't. I don't like to admit
that part, you know, So.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
You're not just worried about the uncovered part.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
You deal with the just the beard and all those elements.
Speaker 10 (43:38):
Why not the same with the same with any of
my clients, you know, any of my clients with facial hair.
You know, I always say to my male clients, come
in with your face the way you normally wear it,
so you don't have to shave for your facial appointment,
for example, Come in with it the way you normally
normally you can freshly save shave that morning the areas
that you normally shave well.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
This is her.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Tracy Huts is an avid tennis player who Enjoorge Cookie, hiking,
fitness and traveling. In December or twenty twenty three, Tracy
received the prestigious Presidential Lifetime Achievement, the Ward from the
United States.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
President, mister Joseph Biden.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
We'll be right back to learn more because you already
know if you're listening to the show, Rashwan has as
they said, the rockets fell on my head and now
I'm a lot smarter.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
This has been a great show so far. We're going
to continue after the break.
Speaker 6 (44:28):
You are now tuned into the Money Making Conversations Minute
of Inspiration with Rashawn McDonald.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Hi, I'm Rashaan McDonald from Money Making Conversation Masterclass with
your daily minuting of Inspiration. This week, I said that
with attorney, arbitrator, author, and Emmy nominated host of Divorce
Court Judge Faith Jenkins. Judge Faith Jenkins shares why it
may be beneficial to add your own perspective and opinion
to your position.
Speaker 11 (44:52):
What would happen with someone's case would literally depend on
who got their case. So if I got a case
and it was a young person from Harlem, I would
have a different perspective than a lot of my colleagues.
So it was very important for me to add my
perspective to that job. So when it came time to
calling on me for television, they were looking for people
(45:14):
like me who could add a different perspective and opinion
when giving analysis on these cases.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
If you want to listen to this full interview with
Judge Faith Jenkins's available on money Making Conversation dot com.
Welcome back to Money Making Conversation master Class. I have
the one and only skin expert Tracy Hudson on the call. Tracy,
you're a motivator too. You you know, read quotes, look
at your social media. Motivation is really part of your
(45:41):
whole influence as well as skincare as well as getting
it right, getting people's life right, both men and women.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
Why is that?
Speaker 10 (45:50):
Yeah? You know, I think I've been doing this for
almost two decades and when people lay on the table,
you know, they you know, they as a sharing and
you know, over the years, you where I can help,
I always want to help, And a lot of times
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it's that self care piece, it's that wellness piece. You know,
I'm not a therapist, you know, I have limitations, but
where I can, I will and I do. And a
lot of times when we, for example, we exercise and
we eat right, you know, we can start to feel
better and then we can deal with some of the
other things we have going on in our life a
lot better. So, you know, those motivating people to exercise
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and exercise ties into skincare, keeps thinking, keeps it's anti aging,
keeps your skin tight and firm, you know, on your
face or neck and the rest of your body. So
it all ties in for me. And you know, when
you look good, you do good, you feel good.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Absolutely. We have a call here, Donna. She has a
call about skincare. How are you doing? Donna?
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Welcome to Money Making Conversations Masterclass. What is your question?
Speaker 10 (46:58):
Hi? How are you?
Speaker 12 (46:59):
I got question is about natural things such as like
sea moss and alo vera.
Speaker 10 (47:04):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 12 (47:05):
For you using on your as part of your skincare.
Speaker 10 (47:09):
You know, I keep alvera I keep. I keep a
fresh plant on hand. I'm a big fan of alivera.
It's very calming, it's dehydrating, it helps to recover and
rehab the skin. I use it on an as needed basis.
It's not it's not a regular part of my sincare.
I use all my clients sometimes as needed. Those are
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wonderful things to have on have on hand.
Speaker 13 (47:31):
Those are great toys.
Speaker 10 (47:33):
I think the other thing you asked me about was
the sea moths, and I have some of that my refrigerator.
I don't use it on my skin, but I do
take it.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Well, listen you, that's just something you take. You consume.
Speaker 10 (47:46):
Yeah, I consume SEMy you can buy. Yeah, you can purchase.
Speaker 13 (47:51):
You can purchase it a.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
Yeah, but I do.
Speaker 12 (47:52):
I consume sea moss as well.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
But I do a facial like once.
Speaker 12 (47:57):
In a blue moon. I'll do a facial like say,
maybe once every two months and every three months, and
it does have an affirming effect, and once I rent
it off, it.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
Does make my skin so wonderful.
Speaker 12 (48:09):
My skin's so refreshed. And I just want to make
sure I know everything that's natural. Sometimes it's not good
for you internally.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
Or externally.
Speaker 12 (48:18):
That's why I want to check, like, what's the like
I said, Okay, I know sea wants is located to Ingest,
but how about also putting on your skin.
Speaker 13 (48:26):
Now, my guess would be that you have pretty good
skin because and that is sea moss to put on
your skin. If it's working for you, it's perfectly fine.
One of the things that I don't do unless I.
Speaker 10 (48:40):
Deem something is harmful. That that adage if it's not broken,
you know. So if you're loving your skin used sea moths,
if there's nothing and it's going to be damaging or
harmful to your skin long term, enjoy it. But in
terms of seeing tangible changes in your skin, that's where
it's gonna come off short. That's where it's typically natural
products fall short. And that's why Lena products that have
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more active ingredients. So when you want to uh, you know,
brighten the skin. If you're dealing with hyperpigmentation and dark monks,
if you're dealing with acne, you're gonna be very limited
with natural, really natural products.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Don I'm gonna let you go because I know you're
driving your car. Sound is starting to consume.
Speaker 4 (49:20):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
Oh we call again.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
I appreciate you taking the time because she out on
the streets, out there trying to get information.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Get her face right.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Now, here's the here's the thing, Tracy, we all get
suckered into this. Okay, we go on vacation, go on vacation,
and then you go down to the little Jim Air
and they had this little all these little cards. You
can get a massus massage, you can get a facial
and all that stuff. What is the purpose of a facial?
Speaker 10 (49:53):
So the purpose of a facial is many. I guess
that there's different levels to the type. You go on vacation.
It's probably just relaxing blood. The massage is very anti
aging because simulating the blood slow and their skin moving
the tissue around. You know, people think it's just a
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feel good thing, but it's actually very beneficial. So it's
deep pins in their skin. You know, it's anti aging,
it feels good, it's relaxing, it's distressing, all those things.
But then there's the type of faces that I do,
which are more results oriented. So my facials are not there.
You know. I try to strike a balance so my
clients are relaxed, but I'm more about the results. And
actually making tangible changes to the skin.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Well here's the thing. Okay, this you bore Rusean mc
donell talking to you. I go out there.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
You know, I've had the little lamp on me, and
the lamp supposed to do something to my face.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
I've had them.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
I had the person take their fingers and massage my
face really hard. I've had the person you know, on
my nose, you know, pushing little things around on my
nose supposed to be making my smoother and all that
good stuff is about consistently doing it and not all
this once a quarter or once a month or once
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a a half a year doing it.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
That's my problem.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Or if I do need to do it consistently, anybody
who's listening should be doing facial care consistently.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
What is the pattern and what we should we follow up?
Speaker 10 (51:24):
You know, I think that I have clients that come
in once a month. I have clients that come in
once a quarter. I'm going to go back to products,
because the products are something that you use every day.
So elevating your products to something that that has higher
active ingredients, because imagine if you come in and you
get a facial once a month, right and you have that.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
That's what Sean and that's what Sean coming in trying
to get trying to get all those years removed off
my face with a facial.
Speaker 10 (51:50):
So your skin looks good for what a week? Two weeks?
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Just like she said, you know, I feel my skin
is like tight is it feels fresh, and and I
just walk away.
Speaker 10 (52:01):
For how long? For how long? For how long after
your treatment?
Speaker 2 (52:04):
You know what I'm saying by it, but I won't
tell you because about the hour, about the hour, it
feels like it's back to normal, because you're right.
Speaker 10 (52:11):
So then that speaks to a couple of things. So
the type of facial you're having, most of my clients
maintain their results without even using my products for a week.
So you're talking about that's a different kind of facial, right,
and that's pretty standard people. You know, the next day
you've been offacial and you don't look like you are.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
Let's let's talk about this.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Let's talk about this traits because I'm really enjoyed this
conversation because you know, you've seen people with the cucumbers
over their eyes. You've seen people with the I guess
the mask, like the green mask. I've had that so
that does last longer. That does last longer. And but
I'm a person that goes out in the streets.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
I go out in the sun.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
I you know, I'm very active and so you know
I'll sweat and so so I'm not a person that
stays in air condition that long. So you give me
a facial, I'm immediately go out into the elements and
just start living my life like I normally do. But
I will not denounce the value of a facial. I
will never say that the value of facial makes me
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enjoy my life. And also I feel has lengthened the
quality of my looks physically because I've done that. But
it is tied to the type of facial that you get.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
Correct.
Speaker 10 (53:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's different types and there's different levels,
so you know, yeah, and yeah, it's you going out
into the elements after offacial. You just want to make
sure you protect your skin and you're wearing sunscreen.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Right, because it's really sensitive. Once you finish of facial,
your skin is really exposed.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (53:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Wow, Well, as we wrap this call up, how can
we get in touch with you, Tracy. I want to
bring you back with summer's coming and that's when we
need to have you. That's when people go out there,
ignore sunscreen, ignore any elements of skin care and ongoing
procedures that can make their facial look look fantastic a
lot longer. How do we get in touch with you
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and what type of products are you having available out there?
Speaker 10 (54:06):
I have a full line available and again obviously it's
medical grade, very active and active ingredients. But you can
find me at Tracy Hudson's Skincare on Instagram, and that
way you can actually see my work and you know
some of the things that I share. My website is
Tracy t r A c y s t A dot com,
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tracyspa dot com.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
Well, Trachid, thank you for spending taking the time. I
hope you enjoyed my interview to want to come back
because I want to bring you back this summer because.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
We need you. We need you.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
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won't be doing hot and cold.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
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Speaker 10 (54:45):
Don't want It'll be exciting to see some of the
some of the changes you decide to make. I want to.
I want to hear how it's doing.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
You got that I want to hear and you know
I'm to be honest, and you know I'm going.
Speaker 10 (54:59):
To be I want to hear that you got better products,
and I want to thank you blank soundscreen on a
regular basis. I want to hear some talk about maybe
some foliation too, all those big.
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Words, I'm an bring it to my vocabulary exfoliation. Whoa
she really doing me big?
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My guest is Jackson Dumbar. Life was almost perfect for
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Foundation and well Mad Atlanta. It privately on psychiatric medical firm.
It seemed that everything was going extremely well until a
tragic car accident nearly took his life. Thankfully, he lived,
but he lost his quality of life as chronic pain
made it impossible for him to walk normally, play with
his kids, or even hook his wife. In his tell
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all book Race Matters in Pain Medicine, Jackson Dunbar Squire
gives a first hand account on how he made money,
lost ninety pounds, and thrived in chronic pain. Please work
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Speaker 3 (02:29):
Dunbar, Hello, how are you?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Thank you for having me?
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Well, thank you. I read the book. I got the book.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I'm gonna let you know like I got it, and
it's a good read. First of all, but it was
an honest it was an honest book.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Man.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Wow, let's let's talk about first of all, how are
you doing now physically?
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Physically? What today was an okay pain day? As a
chronic pain patient where on medicine that really impairs our
cognitive functions? So I think today what it was okay?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
So you're saying even today you have to deal with.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Pain, Yes, yes, yes, I had that accident back and
yeah yeah yeah, So for the last eight years, I've
been doing the dance for chronic pain, and yes, I
had to learn how to manage it. I which was
one of the reasons why I wrote my book. I
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was fortunate I had resources and so could put together
a team that could that could teach me how to
manage the pain. And a friend suggested that I write
a book because most people aren't as fortunate to have
those sort of resources.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Well, you know, let's let's talk about this.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Let's talk about let's go back, because I don't want
I don't leave anybody in the dark about how this happened.
You know, you were just a short scenario. Your son
was in the backseat, you were driving. Your father, who
who had passed away, gave you his two thousand and
four BMW. He said, if you want to look successful,
you need to drive successful. It was one of the
things and he was making a turn. Now the story
(04:10):
is yours. Tell us what happened.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Yes, yes, I closed the biggest stal of well met Atlanta.
We're a group of child and ialysts and psychiatrists here
in Atlanta, and I just closed the biggest deal of
our company's history. Forty margins. In fact, I was telling
my wife, Hey, big daddy's coming home. Make sure, make
(04:33):
sure you're ready. All I had to do is take
my son to a soccer game and we'll go from there.
And I took him to a soccer game and someone
ran a yield sign and yeah, it was like a
tale of two different worlds. Let's see, they were running
to me. My sho would be okay, Thank god. He
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would end up playing soccer a couple of days later.
Me not so much. I would have of back procedures,
a batch back surgery, and in the end I was
diagnosed with having permitive nerve damage, which would cause chronic
pain for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Well, let's talk about what happened at the accident. You know,
because this young lady who was five foot seven in
your book says she's white, and you were dealing with pain,
and when people showed up, no one paid attention to you.
They only paid attention to her. What was your thoughts
on that, because you explained about it, and you explained
it in your book.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Well, it was weird because I was more concerned about
the smoke and the pain that I was in and
just thinking, God, my son was fine. It was my
son that that saw that he's very insightful. And after
the fourth or fifth card went by and they kept
asking her if she was okay and said nothing to us.
(05:51):
My son said, so, why is that why she caused
the accident? You know, why aren't they asking if we're okay?
And that was on the side of the road. I
had to have the top every black man has to
have with his son about racism. You know, we tried
to shield our kids from that, but I had to
have a frank discussion about how society for the most
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part protects white women and not so much us. And
it was a real how.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Did he take that conversation?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I know he was young, but how did he what
did he consume or what did he take away from that?
Because I know he was trying to be polite in
your conversation and because you was already trying to shield him,
but he asked a question that you didn't expect to
be in the situation to respond, but you had to respond.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Yeah. I did, Yes, I did respond. And what I
and the way he responded was he said, okay, I mean,
I mean, my son's one of these kids. He's really thoughtful,
and he listened on and I think that was his
awakening of the racism that we have society.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
In fact, there were times when he yelled. I mean,
he and I were very physical. We used to bike
to Stell Mountain and back. I would have him on
the back. I would have him on the back of
my bike. We were running together, and all that was gone.
He was really angry at the woman because of the
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accident and for taking his father away. It was a
real trying time those first few years after the accident.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Well know, I had.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
A long collapsed when I was in Los Angeles and
I stayed in the hospital for thirty days. You know,
just I can relate in some ways to your chronic pain.
I remember when I was in the hospital, they gave
me a morphine drip because the pain. You know, if
anybody's been in a hospital situation, you press the button
if you have pain. Of course, after a while, it
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will stop giving you the drug, otherwise you become addicted
to it. But you still pressing, You still pressing because
the pain didn't go away. And so that experience of frustration,
because I know at least three times I was checking
out of the hospital and I had to go back
in because my long recollapse. Here you are in your
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life twenty fifteen, roughly eight years later, you're still dealing
with a pain that, due to my physical blessings, I
am not dealing with. But I know that pain, that pain.
When you have a machine over there, there's a drip, morphingdrim.
When they give you that machine, they know you are
in pain. And so you're telling me that you hurt
your back, correct, yes, sir, And so we all know
(08:40):
when you hurt your back, you realize how powerful or
how important your back is getting out of bed, walking
just lifting things.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
How did that your little physical life.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Had turned upside down? Correct?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yes, yes, and it's there were times, especially when they
took the pain medicine away, that I couldn't even make
it up the stairs in my home. I would collapse
because the left side of my body is weaker than
the right, and I just collapsed just in the way
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to my body. I would be on the floor. My
kids would come looking at me, and I would have
to lie to them and say I wasn't in pain,
and they were looking at me like I was nuts.
And it's like, why is it that no one and
no one would give me more minutes. And it was
(09:35):
weird because at the time I thought I was going
I thought I was going nuts. And you're right. You
can't play with your kids, you can't use the restroom,
you can't. Yeah, all the simple things I cut in
the grass. You know, I used to do all the
driving when we went on trips. You know, I could
(09:56):
barely get in the car now. So this was a
real pair of This was a whole paradigm shift from
my entire family.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Let's talk about this because you know, the whole thing
about I'm working on a big.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Project is tied to sickle sale.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
And one of the things that people who have sickle
cell when they go to the hospital in a crisis,
you know a lot of doctors or hospitals don't want
to give them medicine or drugs to reduce the pain
because they look them as drug seekers. That's a term
that you use in your book, that people perceive you
when you complain about your back, that they question your
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pain and saw you as a black man, a drug seeker.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Correct, that's what you said in your book, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
And it's weird because it wouldn't met and it's weird
because if I look at my background, I'm a job
creator here in Atlanta. I also have a lot of
gree in in NBA from a top tier school. And
none of that mattered. Nothing, No, And not only that,
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not only that, I had I had images from an
MRI and an EG which stayed that, hey, this guy
has permanent nerve damage in this point. Yet they still
wouldn't give me the medication. They still thought I was
pain seeking and I thought it was crazy. And then
one day, you know, I decided to get my head
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around it and see if this was happening to other people.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Right, And I'm telling you it is, especially in sickle
cell patients. Yes, And that's said now Jackson, because in
your book, you know, you talk about the whole it's
a crisis you under you know, like I said, mine
was thirty days, and of course when I got out
of the hospital, I had to have rehab and recovery,
and eventually I recovered from that. But I always remember
(11:52):
that that crisis, you know, the inability to control your
destiny because you're a very confident man, very successful man,
and all of a sudden you put in a physical crisis.
You can't even play with your kids. You can't even
get out of bed. Your wife probably has to assist
you are doing normal things. Some drops on the floor,
you can't reach down and pick it up. It starts
to question your term being a man in a relationship.
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What is your role? How did you deal with that?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
To be honest, that was tough. My father, my father,
like many men of this generation after Vietnam, got married,
had kids.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Right.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
He always stressed to me and my brother that we
should go out, have our fun, get educated, and we
shouldn't be and we shouldn't get married to Abel until
we are able to buy our own home. Okay, And
that's what I did. I bought a four condo, fix
a rupper and then I'm like, okay, I'm ready to
get married. And so when I got married, it's hey,
(12:54):
I'm the man. I'm supposed to produce. That's how I
judge myself. And so, thanks free to God, I was
able to do all of that. And then all of
a sudden that have all that taken away. It was
wadded out. One of the stadtest points of my life.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Now, you know, here's the thing I'm talking to. Jackson Dunbar.
His life changed ladies and gentlemen. He's changed an accident,
the car accident. Fortunately fortunately for him, his son was
safe and was unharmed, but his life changed and another
person caused that change. When we come back, we're going
to talk about the insurance companies now, because that's another
game he had to deal with, that black white game
(13:34):
that we always have to deal with. Who's gonna pay
and how much they gonna pay, and how he had
to approach dealing with those issues. All this is in
his book Made Money, Lost ninety Pounds and Thrived in
Chronic Pain, Race Matters and Pay Medicine by Jackson Dunbar Squire.
We'll be right back for more money Making Conversation.
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she talks about uncomfortable things in order to heal.
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I grew up in the inner city of Miami. Part
of what we used to do when we were kids,
we used to crack on each other. People call it joning.
And when I realized that what we were doing was
processing our pain through laughter, that I decided when I
started writing comedy, I would just channel that and say,
how do I approach talking about sexual abuse? It happened
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so much in our communities. So I sat down and
I just made a decision that I was going to
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Speaker 2 (15:00):
I'm talking to a successful man, the entrepreneur whose life
was turned upside down in twenty fifteen when a car
accident changed him physically.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Changed the way he approached life. Changed.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
His relationship with his child, changed, the relationship with his wife,
change the relationship with his friend. More important, it changed
how he looked at life. Because of his race, he
was being treated differently. He's being treated. He was treated
differently at the accident, He's being treated differently when he
tried to seek medical care, he treated differently, when the
drugs that he was requested when being denied to him
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with all the At what point in this whole game,
Because it's a game, it's a game of race, Jackson
Dunbar that you felt you needed to fight back.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I think the first time the insurance company tried to
low bid me. And working in mental health, I know
the insurance game is about time value of money. The
longer they can hold we pay our insurance payments a
month with the expectation of something happened. The insurance company
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will pay.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Up that false expectations, you know, because they have the
little rules. They'll pay this, but they may not pay that,
you know, But you don't tell you all the minor details.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yes, yes, yes, And so what ended up happening was
after I got a little bit from the fire insurance company,
after the health insurance companies started denying claims, I realized, hey,
you know what I got. I got this legal mind.
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Even though my body isn't where it should be, I
should be able to use that. So what I did
was what the insurance company. I found my lawyer, or
I found a lawyer who I thought could helped me
win a case against someone who lived in who lived
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in Cobb County. Now, the thing about the person that
it me, she took ownership. She's what we would call
a good defendant. People wouldn't necessarily throw the book at her.
In fact, they probably feel sorry for her because of
because of what happened. And so I needed someone that
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could win given that sort of environment. So I went
and did that. Then also I know how the insurance
company played I health insurance companies typically deny one or
two times. They are these fans called coordination of benefits
and with and it's what people and it's what the
insurance company sends you. And it basically shows what the
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insurance company pays and then what you pay. So most
people don't look at that until we get to build.
When I got it and saw that the insurance company
denied the claim, I called them, Hey, what's going on
with this? You approved it? They sent it back a
month later, and then they approved it, but they approved
it out of network. People wouldn't insurance know if you've
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seen the provider out of network, you pay more money.
And it took three different times and then finally with
the end of.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
The day, you in pain, right, you in pain.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
All this pain, and I'm like yelling at People's the
funny story, you know. My kids were telling me I
was yelling and cussing a lot because of the pain,
and I said, okay, okay. So they wanted to do
a swear dar. I'm like fine, So one day I'm
yelling at the assurance cut me. My daughter's there and
what are you doing. I'm making money. She's writing down
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all the time. I'm like yelling and swearing at the
insurance companies because I knew the tactics. By the third time,
they paid for it. Let's see, they paid for it. It
was in that worked, everything was good, and that took
about four months. Normally that process can go on at
least a year, because it may take you four or
(18:54):
five months to really look at your EOB and then
trying to figure out what's going on. Typically most people
get the bill and by then, yeah, you're gonna you're
gonna be fighting the insurance company for months. The car
insurance company.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
There was two car insurance you were dealing you're dealing
with her car insurance, and you had to deal with
your car insurance right because her car insurance would only
pay so much. Then you have to wind up fighting
with the fair car insurance that you pay, making these
monthly payments to have insurance.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yes, I did. And and my my my attorney at
the time was funny. He said, you know what, Okay,
her car insurance is going to pay. Your car insurance
company is now known for snake like behavior. So what
you're going to have to do is trust me. And
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but the thing about it, Jackson, is that you are
a great playman. What do you mean. I mean, well, hey, listen,
you got a law degree, you're well spoken, you're a
married man, you're a family man, you're a business owner.
I love I love people like you. All you got
to do is go in there and impress them. And
I tell people, when when you go to these depositions,
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you know, uh, make sure your clean cut, make sure
you got to you're you're wearing nice clothes, and and
make sure you take the time to frame the narrative
so that the lawyer on the opposing side realizes that, hey,
you know what, we got to like this person to
check or we're going to lose. And that was something
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they taught me in law school years ago. Something I've
learned closing deals, uh, closing deals as a businessman here
in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
You know what amazes to me the most about this conversation,
Jackson Dunbar, is that we you know, success supposed to
make your life easier, and we know what you're talking
when they're when they're insinuating about people who aren't married,
or people who have lesser education, how they get treated.
That's all he's saying, is that, And that's where race
comes into play. How people can stereotype you. And I've
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been stereotyped all my life because I'm black. I've been
in stereotyped because of the color of my skin. Buying
houses or or getting my houses appraised, I've been stereotyped.
You know, you've read the stories people that brought in
changed their photos in the house the white people or
and had act like they didn't live there, and they
appraisers were higher when in those situations. You know, but
(21:26):
as a person who battles and stealing chronic pain because
you got up to almost three hundred and fifty pounds
in weight, when I read in the book and you
lost ninety pounds of the process because a young man
I shouldn't say he was in the seventies, told you
you're going to die if you don't lose this weight.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
And it all happened because of an accident.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Yes, indeed, and that doctor really changed my life. He
was an Emory doctor, seventy years old, former paratroot for believing.
He and I used to buy so we had a
lot in common. He had what I call an offense.
We had an offense what we had an affinity with
each other. And I tell people, if you don't have
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that affinity with your doctor, you're not going to get
the type of treatment that you need. And he asked
me if you could swim, and I'm like, yes, but
I'm not going to swim without my lower body. Just
use your arms, Okay. Cool. So I'm a member of
the way Walker ymcah and started swimming in that pool.
(22:30):
And you know what, at three point fifty, big big
gut going out there, I had. I had sixty year
old women swimming around me, splashing water in my face,
looking at me, kind of whatever.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
So you three hundred and fifty pound I toller you,
I toller you. I'm six one, six one through it.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
So you you carrying a lot of space out there,
six pound, so you walk into the out there so
so so it's like, you know, you a big guy
coming in. And I remember when you you realized that
drugs have value. But I say drugs have value when
you went cruising and you left your drugs into in
your cabin and they were stolen.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
Yes, so you got educated.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
On that end too.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
You got educated by these women swimming around you. At
three hundred and fifty pounds, a seventy year old God
tells you if you don't lose weight, you're gonna die.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
You go cruising and they steer your your medicine.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yes, yes, and and and that and we and that
was bad because my medge got stolen day one on
a seven day cruise. And the doctor on that ship
wasn't like anything on the love boat. And he didn't
he didn't believe me that I needed the meds. He
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gave me a new profen. I'm my God, that's not
going to do anything. He wouldn't write of spirit.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
He gave you, I have a profen and replace of
the medicines that you actually needed.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Yes, and you knows. And here's the thing. My wife
is a medical doctor, right, and tried to talk to
the person doctor, the doctor and still instill basically threw
us out of his office. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
And this is on the cruise ship.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Yes, wow, yeah, yeah. You know it's hard to have
a bad time on a cruise and I found out
how to do it. Well, you know, you taught me
a good lesson. No matter where I go, I lock
up my meds, they always stay with me.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Well, this is true. A lot of people don't understand
other people. What you might consider regular might have street value.
And that's what you discovered that your drugs had street vague.
And so that's the guy that the porter in your
room said he actually need threw it away, but he
probably stole it because he can actually go out there
and make money with it. But you know, as we
close this, you know, this book was rather fascinating to me,
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and you know, I know you do.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I know you're a successful entrepreneur and especially.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
In the well made foundation and the well made Atlanta
private your own psychiatric medical firm. As we close this out,
because we've just been talking about physical we's been talking
about the physicality of what you couldn't do. How did
that impact you mentally?
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
I think now that was Now it did, And a
lot of that is because I think we as black
men were raised that real black men don't need therapy.
In fact, that's my favorite chapter in the book. And
they're fifteen million chronic pain patients out there. And what
I say is that if you don't have if you
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don't have a good mental health team, a good psychologist
and a psychiatrist that specialize in pain management working on
you in your life, you won't be able to reclaim
your life. And that's hard for us. And I own
a psychiat I own a psychiatric consulting firm. I am
psychiatrists all around me. All of them were saying, hey, listen,
(25:58):
you need to see someone and I will and believe
it right. And it wasn't until what what I took
my daughter. I took my daughter to the hair store
and the person there was really rude. I started yelling
at them, and then my daughter ran away. She was
afraid of me.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
And that was that was maybe what four years into
this odyssey. And at that point I got a good
mental healtee, and what the psychiatrist was able to do
was fascinating. She basically what happens is that you may
have a pain management doctor, you may have an attorneys,
you may have a urologist and a few other folks,
(26:38):
and all of them are giving you different medications. So
by the end you could be taking packing to twenty
pills a day, two three times a day. So what
the psychiatrist was able to do was actually going through
all the medications and say, Okay, that was making you crazy,
that was making you gain weight, Here's what I'm going
to do. And from there, Bam, I was able to
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be myself about about three or four hours out of
the day I was, and then I was able to
put together strategies, Strategies on how to navigate medical racism,
strategies on how to make money even though I couldn't work,
(27:19):
strategies on how to lose weight even though I was
on meds that made you gang weight, and then finally,
strategies on how to thrive even though I was on
medications that made you suicidal, and and I was working.
I was I was a volunteer at Senator Raffia Warnocks
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campaign and I was there with this minister. We were
talking about this. She said out this anger. She's like,
you know what, you got a lot of anger there.
Maybe you should write a book about this whole thing.
And I'm like, hey, maybe what I learned could help
other people. And so that's and that's why I wrote it.
You know, what do you do? What do you do
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to navigate medical racism? How do you make money when
you're crying to pain? You can't? How do you let's see,
how do you thrive when you're on medication that makes
you crazy? And how do you lose weight when you
run pay medication that makes you gain weight? So that
was why I wrote the book.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Well, well, friend, it was an incredible read. How can
we get in touch with you Jackson?
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Okay, that's when it get in touch with me is
to go to Jackson dumbar dot com. That's Jackson dumbbar
dot com. Uh, you can even hit me up on
I g at jack fights Racism.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Wow, now, Jackson Dunbar. There's a contact link on your
website that they can fill out a form and you respond.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
To yes, yes, yes, they hit that link and once
they do, if they have any questions about some of
them money and make because I'm really big on investing.
I'm really big on investing because, in my view, is
the only way that someone in cron of pain can
and make money. And it's not as hard as people think.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Well, that's another conversation now, you know. I wanted to
get through this book. I got another guest, incredible guests
that I want to talk to in this other half
hundred hour. But the most important thing I wanted to
tell this story. If you have time, love to bring
you back to talk about the investment side of being
able to apply yourself and not let physicality or chronic pain,
or disappointment or lost dreams stop you from achieving in
(29:35):
another area. That's another side of your life that I
thought was really important. But I had never any interview
with anybody who had an accent like that. Still dealing
with the pain today, dealt with so much denial, mister Dunbar.
You incredible. I appreciate you coming on the show again.
Is tell all book, Race Matters and Pain Medicine by
Jackson Dunbar x squire And where's that website? One more
(29:56):
time as we close out the interview.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Yeah, thank you. Things it's that Jacksondumbar dot com. That's
Jackson Dumbar dot com or ig at jackvice racism.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
We'll talk to my friend. Stay healthy, Stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
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Welcome back to the Money Making Conversations Masterclass hosted by
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Speaker 2 (31:24):
She's on the line, she's waiting, Tracy Hudson. If you
want to know about beauty, you know, like my especial skincare.
That's what I brought her on the show, skincare. I'm
a man. I worry about my skin too. Maybe she
can give me some advice. She deals with a lot
of celebrities. I'm just a regular dude, and all my
listeners just regular people. So Tracy, help out the regular people.
(31:46):
I know you doing it with the celebrities, but help
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Masterclass now tunes into the Money Making Conversations Minute of
Inspiration with Rashawn McDonald's.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Hi, I'm Rashan McDonald's a Money Making Conversation Masterclass with
your daily minute of inspiration. During a conversation with speaker
Arthur and motivator Lisa Nichols. She talked about why she
pursues abundance versus wealth.
Speaker 9 (32:17):
I realize that there's a complete distinction between wealth. Wealth
is a unilateral conversation around money and possessions.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
That's wealth, and while that's.
Speaker 10 (32:26):
An indicator of some level.
Speaker 9 (32:28):
Of success, wealth is not the ultimate indicator of success.
Abundance is abundance, is not just the unilateral category called wealth,
money and possession. Abundance is abundance in your relationships, abundant
in having health wealth abundant, and having spiritual wealth abundant,
(32:49):
and having financial wealth. It's one category of a very
large picture.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
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Speaker 2 (32:54):
This full interview with Lisa Nichols is available on Moneymaking
Conversations dot com.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Welcome back to the Money Making Conversations Masterclass hosted by
Rashaan MacDonald.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
My guest Season on the Line, Tracy Hudson, the average
American woman beauty routine exposed us to more than one
hundred and fifty different toxins and chemicals every single day
for Tracy Hudson's skincare. That's Tracy Hudson's skincare. Nothing about
that is acceptable. As a celebrity esthetician training in dermatology,
working alongside a physician and dermatologists. Since two thousand and six,
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Tracy has researched skin, educating her audience and building the
award winning line of products. Her hands on experience as
an esthetician and trusted skincare expert has created a real
world solution products that are formulated for different types of skin.
That's important. I have all these skin, ladies, and I
don't have dry skin. Tracy has a long list of
notable clients, including Monica the singer, DL Hughley, the comedian,
(33:50):
Ardor Day, the singer Anthony anders Is, the comic actor
according to b Vance, the great actor, Michelle Williams, ooh singer.
It's a loan both of these people from Houston, Texas.
Tyler to the creator and Besha way up. Please welcome
the Money Money Making Conversation Masterclass to one and only
Tracy Hudson.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
How you doing, Tracy?
Speaker 10 (34:09):
Hello, good evening. I think where you are? Thanks for
having me?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Well, I come from Atlanta. I'm in Atlanta. My shore
originates from Atlanta. And you know syndication nationally and you're
I'm assuming in Los Angeles, California.
Speaker 10 (34:22):
I am in La. Yeah, so we've got about a
three hour time different, so it's evening for you and
and maybe late afternoon.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Absolutely, So you thought all these celebrity names, and I
know I know Monica, I know d L. I know
Anthony Anderson, and I know Michelle was very well and
all of them have great skin?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Is it because of you, Tracy? Is it because of you?
Speaker 10 (34:43):
You know? You know what? Well? First of all, of course,
I'm gonna take one hupful responsibility for that. And most
of the people that you mentioned have been with me
for years. Right, Monica has already really great skin. I
enhanced it, but yeah, most d L. In fact, ironically
Dale just is gonna to be here in about twenty
minutes for his treatment.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
So please tell them that's my frat brother. Now, please
tell us my frat brother.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
You know, actually got two of my frat brother doh
is a frat brother or make USI five fraternity and
Anthony Anderson is also another one of my frat brothers.
Speaker 10 (35:14):
So just let you know that that is so ironic.
So Anthony was in her yesterday and we had just
he keeps me and they both keep me in stitches.
I'm trying to focus and do their skin and they're
just you know, they're just keeping me in stitches. But yeah,
Anthony was in her yesterday and Gale is and they're
very open about sharing. I have to say that there.
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I have a really great client base and they're really
just lovely. You know, I'm not doing anything highly confidential,
so they're really lovely about sharing and you know, and
you know, and it's a beautiful thing. So yeah, DL
will be in here in about thirty minutes.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Now here's the thing I missed you. I'm tell you
I missed you because I left LA in two thousand
and five and all the time I was rolling through
Englewood in different places trying to get you know, trying
to get my skin right. And you know when I
say that, I mean you know, the uh, the black
little the little bumps you try to get off your face,
(36:09):
try to keep your kin, skin smooth. And so I've
been this way ever since I was a toddler. When
I say todd, I say about eight years old. I
was always worried about my skin. I was always worried
about how can I take care of because I didn't
want acne, I didn't want bumps in my face for
somebod In my mind, it dawned on me that there
was a process, and early on, when I didn't have
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any money, the original process was wash your face and
warm water and then rented in cold water. The warm
water opens your pores and the cold water will close
the poors.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Was Is that correct?
Speaker 10 (36:44):
No?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Oh my god, I've been doing it.
Speaker 10 (36:54):
You have, you have it essentially, it's the concept that's
a little bit off. You want you want to cleanse
your skin, and you want to there's a couple of things.
Your skin, a skincare, a good solid skincare routine, right,
So you want to cleanse your skin twice a day.
Warm water is correct. Warm that's fine. But if you
choose to rinse it at the very end, once your
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skin is clean, you want to do a cold rent
that's not necessary. But that's perfectly fine. I mean, you
were a kid, so it's you know, sort of I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I'm just let you know, doing it as adult today,
I'm still that's my fairy.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Then.
Speaker 10 (37:27):
That's that's why I want to I just want to
clarify because I have clients who make the mistake of
washing their face with cold water, and that's not you. Yeah,
you want to make sure it's clean. But if you
want to do that last rint like sometimes hair dressers
do with it the hair, that's perfectly fine. But but
I also you said course open and close, right, it's
course not. It's not a muscle. So they and a lot
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of people think they open and close. They do not.
So hot water does not open it and cold water
does not close them.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
I'm quiet because all my life, Tracy, I've been doing
this fifty years.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
I've been watching my face like this over fifty years.
Speaker 10 (38:07):
Well, you know, your your skin. You're in a good place.
It's not bad. But understanding the concept you're not. You're
really not far off. The market's just understanding that hot
water or warm water is not opening. It's not the
opening and closing up the poors.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Let me just stop.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
This is a good conversation. First of all, because somewhere
I've read this, now have I not read this? Isn't
it written somewhere that you that warm water opens your
pores and close cold water closes?
Speaker 10 (38:33):
It's not any you you know, it's similar to me
if you find it, if you find someone who's still
writing that, so what happened?
Speaker 3 (38:40):
But it was written like that at one time, right, not.
Speaker 10 (38:43):
It could have been. It could have been because I
know that a lot of people. I think the skin
care has evolved, and skin the education around it has
evolved so much. People care more about their skin. They
want glowing skin, they want healthy skin. They don't want
to have the women don't want to have to makeup.
Women and men don't want to have to wear makeup
and all that. So there's been an evolution, and so
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there's been a lot of correction and a lot of
debunking of myths. So that is, pores are not muscles.
They don't open and close. There's no you can refine them.
You can make the smaller facials make them look smaller.
Chemical pills refine them and make them smaller, using retinall
makes them look smaller. These kinds of things, you know,
but they don't. It doesn't open. And if you think
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about it, you know the pores in your skin that
for your sabacious glands, they don't open and close.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
They just I'm just going to tell you you have
knocked me off the horse. Now that's a good thing,
because sometimes you got to get information. You're telling me
the truth. I bring people on the show for information
and education. I brought you in the show because I'm thinking,
I'm mister smarty pants. I've been doing it right all
my life, so so you know, I got I got
you know, soap, you know, the little soap with little
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you know, put it on my face. So what should
one do? What should Rushan McDonald do now that he
knows that warm water doesn't open pores and close cold
water after you wash your face and cold water doesn't
close your pors. What should I be doing before I
wake up in the morning, and what should I be
doing when I go to sleep at night?
Speaker 10 (40:11):
Fantastic. You want to start off cleansing your skin, and
you want a quality cleanser. I'm going to kind of
go off off topic here a little bit and talk
about how important it is to use well formulated products,
because I heard you say a little soap in it,
and that's what makes the difference in terms of making
your pores look more refined. There's a difference between over
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the counter skincare, the things you buy at the grocery
store that that your local drug store, and things that
are well formulated, things that are a medical grade and
medical grade does not necessarily mean it's going to cost
you more. Okay, So in terms of that that cost perception,
a lot of people have tons of products under their stink,
whereas if you have a well formulated cleanser that's been showed,
(40:54):
that's been tailored for you. So you saw, it's a
matter of DA regulation in making sure that the active
ingredients that are supposed to be and the products are
in it. Over the counter, FAA does not, WRE does
not regulate products. They don't regular, there's no clinical studies,
they're not regulated, and they're pretty they're not tailored. You
go into the store, you buy, nobody's there to help you,
(41:16):
and you buy whatever you buy, and a hundred people
can buy the same thing. Right. So you just at
the top you said you had oily skin, but that's dry,
So would they used to send cleanser No, Right, so
I knew that for a fact. Now, yeah, so you
need if you have oily skin, you need different cleanser
dry skin. If you have skin, you have sensitive skin,
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if you have aging skin. So you want things to
be tailored somewhat. And at the end of the day,
in terms of money, it becomes cost effective because you're
not buying a bunch of things that aren't working. That's
just laying in your bathroom sink. You know, people have
tons of products that they don't I see these clients
all the time, this is just working for you, and
they say to me no, and they go out and
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buy something else, and something else and something else. So
really kind of getting on board with a really good
aspetian who can guide you along. Just like you and
I always say that you seek a dentist for your teeth,
you succeed, seek a doctor for health benefits. You don't
kind of go to the you know, you might guess
a little bit, go get some ask front or something.
But you know, people are I think, leaning into a
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little bit more finding an expetition to guide them along
so that their skin looks great and then they can
focus on doing their job well.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
You know, Trasa, first of all, thank you for calling
in the show.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
And you know, I, you know, this has been an
eye opener for me because of the fact that you know, I,
you know, I have facial hair. Sometimes I have a
beerd sometimes I have or now have a go tee
Van Dyke it is, let's say, and so so that
means sometimes my facial My face is pretty much covered
right now. I have a Van Dyke, so my skin
is partially exposed, and so I have So I'm dealing
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with that because when you know, when you have a beard,
you know, dead skin and all that stuff you have
to deal with. So do you deal with indie videws
who have hair on their face? Are you dealing with
clean people who have clean faces?
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Or how did this Anthony?
Speaker 10 (43:07):
Anthony was just Anthony comes in. Yes, yes he's got
a full but yeah, yeah, I have clients who have
absolutely you know, and you and I you know again,
they're very generous and I'm so appreciative, but they allow
me to share their services. And you'll see me go
through his beard, you know, I actually go through it
and make sure the skin underneath the beard is treated. Yeah,
(43:29):
so you know, we don't. I don't like to admit
that part, you know, So.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
You're not just worried about the uncovered part.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
You deal with the just the beard and all those elements.
Speaker 10 (43:38):
Why not the same with the same with any of
my clients, you know, any of my clients with facial hair.
You know, I always say to my male clients, come
in with your face the way you normally wear it,
so you don't have to shave for your facial appointment,
for example, Come in with it the way you normally
normally you can freshly save shave that morning the areas
that you normally shave well.
Speaker 3 (43:59):
This is her.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Tracy Huts is an avid tennis player who Enjoorge Cookie, hiking,
fitness and traveling. In December or twenty twenty three, Tracy
received the prestigious Presidential Lifetime Achievement, the Ward from the
United States.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
President, mister Joseph Biden.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
We'll be right back to learn more because you already
know if you're listening to the show, Rashwan has as
they said, the rockets fell on my head and now
I'm a lot smarter.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
This has been a great show so far. We're going
to continue after the break.
Speaker 6 (44:28):
You are now tuned into the Money Making Conversations Minute
of Inspiration with Rashawn McDonald.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Hi, I'm Rashaan McDonald from Money Making Conversation Masterclass with
your daily minuting of Inspiration. This week, I said that
with attorney, arbitrator, author, and Emmy nominated host of Divorce
Court Judge Faith Jenkins. Judge Faith Jenkins shares why it
may be beneficial to add your own perspective and opinion
to your position.
Speaker 11 (44:52):
What would happen with someone's case would literally depend on
who got their case. So if I got a case
and it was a young person from Harlem, I would
have a different perspective than a lot of my colleagues.
So it was very important for me to add my
perspective to that job. So when it came time to
calling on me for television, they were looking for people
(45:14):
like me who could add a different perspective and opinion
when giving analysis on these cases.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
If you want to listen to this full interview with
Judge Faith Jenkins's available on money Making Conversation dot com.
Welcome back to Money Making Conversation master Class. I have
the one and only skin expert Tracy Hudson on the call. Tracy,
you're a motivator too. You you know, read quotes, look
at your social media. Motivation is really part of your
(45:41):
whole influence as well as skincare as well as getting
it right, getting people's life right, both men and women.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
Why is that?
Speaker 10 (45:50):
Yeah? You know, I think I've been doing this for
almost two decades and when people lay on the table,
you know, they you know, they as a sharing and
you know, over the years, you where I can help,
I always want to help, And a lot of times
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it's that self care piece, it's that wellness piece. You know,
I'm not a therapist, you know, I have limitations, but
where I can, I will and I do. And a
lot of times when we, for example, we exercise and
we eat right, you know, we can start to feel
better and then we can deal with some of the
other things we have going on in our life a
lot better. So, you know, those motivating people to exercise
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and exercise ties into skincare, keeps thinking, keeps it's anti aging,
keeps your skin tight and firm, you know, on your
face or neck and the rest of your body. So
it all ties in for me. And you know, when
you look good, you do good, you feel good.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Absolutely. We have a call here, Donna. She has a
call about skincare. How are you doing? Donna?
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Welcome to Money Making Conversations Masterclass. What is your question?
Speaker 10 (46:58):
Hi? How are you?
Speaker 12 (46:59):
I got question is about natural things such as like
sea moss and alo vera.
Speaker 10 (47:04):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 12 (47:05):
For you using on your as part of your skincare.
Speaker 10 (47:09):
You know, I keep alvera I keep. I keep a
fresh plant on hand. I'm a big fan of alivera.
It's very calming, it's dehydrating, it helps to recover and
rehab the skin. I use it on an as needed basis.
It's not it's not a regular part of my sincare.
I use all my clients sometimes as needed. Those are
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wonderful things to have on have on hand.
Speaker 13 (47:31):
Those are great toys.
Speaker 10 (47:33):
I think the other thing you asked me about was
the sea moths, and I have some of that my refrigerator.
I don't use it on my skin, but I do
take it.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
Well, listen you, that's just something you take. You consume.
Speaker 10 (47:46):
Yeah, I consume SEMy you can buy. Yeah, you can purchase.
Speaker 13 (47:51):
You can purchase it a.
Speaker 4 (47:52):
Yeah, but I do.
Speaker 12 (47:52):
I consume sea moss as well.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
But I do a facial like once.
Speaker 12 (47:57):
In a blue moon. I'll do a facial like say,
maybe once every two months and every three months, and
it does have an affirming effect, and once I rent
it off, it.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
Does make my skin so wonderful.
Speaker 12 (48:09):
My skin's so refreshed. And I just want to make
sure I know everything that's natural. Sometimes it's not good
for you internally.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
Or externally.
Speaker 12 (48:18):
That's why I want to check, like, what's the like
I said, Okay, I know sea wants is located to Ingest,
but how about also putting on your skin.
Speaker 13 (48:26):
Now, my guess would be that you have pretty good
skin because and that is sea moss to put on
your skin. If it's working for you, it's perfectly fine.
One of the things that I don't do unless I.
Speaker 10 (48:40):
Deem something is harmful. That that adage if it's not broken,
you know. So if you're loving your skin used sea moths,
if there's nothing and it's going to be damaging or
harmful to your skin long term, enjoy it. But in
terms of seeing tangible changes in your skin, that's where
it's gonna come off short. That's where it's typically natural
products fall short. And that's why Lena products that have
(49:03):
more active ingredients. So when you want to uh, you know,
brighten the skin. If you're dealing with hyperpigmentation and dark monks,
if you're dealing with acne, you're gonna be very limited
with natural, really natural products.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
Don I'm gonna let you go because I know you're
driving your car. Sound is starting to consume.
Speaker 4 (49:20):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
Oh we call again.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
I appreciate you taking the time because she out on
the streets, out there trying to get information.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Get her face right.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Now, here's the here's the thing, Tracy, we all get
suckered into this. Okay, we go on vacation, go on vacation,
and then you go down to the little Jim Air
and they had this little all these little cards. You
can get a massus massage, you can get a facial
and all that stuff. What is the purpose of a facial?
Speaker 10 (49:53):
So the purpose of a facial is many. I guess
that there's different levels to the type. You go on vacation.
It's probably just relaxing blood. The massage is very anti
aging because simulating the blood slow and their skin moving
the tissue around. You know, people think it's just a
(50:13):
feel good thing, but it's actually very beneficial. So it's
deep pins in their skin. You know, it's anti aging,
it feels good, it's relaxing, it's distressing, all those things.
But then there's the type of faces that I do,
which are more results oriented. So my facials are not there.
You know. I try to strike a balance so my
clients are relaxed, but I'm more about the results. And
actually making tangible changes to the skin.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Well here's the thing. Okay, this you bore Rusean mc
donell talking to you. I go out there.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
You know, I've had the little lamp on me, and
the lamp supposed to do something to my face.
Speaker 3 (50:48):
I've had them.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
I had the person take their fingers and massage my
face really hard. I've had the person you know, on
my nose, you know, pushing little things around on my
nose supposed to be making my smoother and all that
good stuff is about consistently doing it and not all
this once a quarter or once a month or once
(51:09):
a a half a year doing it.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
That's my problem.
Speaker 2 (51:13):
Or if I do need to do it consistently, anybody
who's listening should be doing facial care consistently.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
What is the pattern and what we should we follow up?
Speaker 10 (51:24):
You know, I think that I have clients that come
in once a month. I have clients that come in
once a quarter. I'm going to go back to products,
because the products are something that you use every day.
So elevating your products to something that that has higher
active ingredients, because imagine if you come in and you
get a facial once a month, right and you have that.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
That's what Sean and that's what Sean coming in trying
to get trying to get all those years removed off
my face with a facial.
Speaker 10 (51:50):
So your skin looks good for what a week? Two weeks?
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Just like she said, you know, I feel my skin
is like tight is it feels fresh, and and I
just walk away.
Speaker 10 (52:01):
For how long? For how long? For how long after
your treatment?
Speaker 2 (52:04):
You know what I'm saying by it, but I won't
tell you because about the hour, about the hour, it
feels like it's back to normal, because you're right.
Speaker 10 (52:11):
So then that speaks to a couple of things. So
the type of facial you're having, most of my clients
maintain their results without even using my products for a week.
So you're talking about that's a different kind of facial, right,
and that's pretty standard people. You know, the next day
you've been offacial and you don't look like you are.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
Let's let's talk about this.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Let's talk about this traits because I'm really enjoyed this
conversation because you know, you've seen people with the cucumbers
over their eyes. You've seen people with the I guess
the mask, like the green mask. I've had that so
that does last longer. That does last longer. And but
I'm a person that goes out in the streets.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
I go out in the sun.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
I you know, I'm very active and so you know
I'll sweat and so so I'm not a person that
stays in air condition that long. So you give me
a facial, I'm immediately go out into the elements and
just start living my life like I normally do. But
I will not denounce the value of a facial. I
will never say that the value of facial makes me
(53:11):
enjoy my life. And also I feel has lengthened the
quality of my looks physically because I've done that. But
it is tied to the type of facial that you get.
Speaker 3 (53:21):
Correct.
Speaker 10 (53:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's different types and there's different levels,
so you know, yeah, and yeah, it's you going out
into the elements after offacial. You just want to make
sure you protect your skin and you're wearing sunscreen.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Right, because it's really sensitive. Once you finish of facial,
your skin is really exposed.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (53:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Wow, Well, as we wrap this call up, how can
we get in touch with you, Tracy. I want to
bring you back with summer's coming and that's when we
need to have you. That's when people go out there,
ignore sunscreen, ignore any elements of skin care and ongoing
procedures that can make their facial look look fantastic a
lot longer. How do we get in touch with you
(54:03):
and what type of products are you having available out there?
Speaker 10 (54:06):
I have a full line available and again obviously it's
medical grade, very active and active ingredients. But you can
find me at Tracy Hudson's Skincare on Instagram, and that
way you can actually see my work and you know
some of the things that I share. My website is
Tracy t r A c y s t A dot com,
(54:29):
tracyspa dot com.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
Well, Trachid, thank you for spending taking the time. I
hope you enjoyed my interview to want to come back
because I want to bring you back this summer because.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
We need you. We need you.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
You've already you already fixed your boy, because you boy
won't be doing hot and cold.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
No Mo, the wodden cold, No MO.
Speaker 10 (54:45):
Don't want It'll be exciting to see some of the
some of the changes you decide to make. I want to.
I want to hear how it's doing.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
You got that I want to hear and you know
I'm to be honest, and you know I'm going.
Speaker 10 (54:59):
To be I want to hear that you got better products,
and I want to thank you blank soundscreen on a
regular basis. I want to hear some talk about maybe
some foliation too, all those big.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
Words, I'm an bring it to my vocabulary exfoliation. Whoa
she really doing me big?
Speaker 3 (55:16):
Now?
Speaker 2 (55:16):
Thank you for coming on Money Making Conversations Master Class.
Please tell my frat brother d o hugli hi Okay, I.
Speaker 10 (55:22):
Will glow on.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
Thank you bye.
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