Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviews Tasha Page Lockhart, Two-time Stellar Award Winner, the star of WE tv’s “Grown and Gospel.” She opens up about personal struggles with addiction and mental health issues, including depression and anxiety. We will discuss New Projects and Future Plans: Tasha continues to release new music and has several upcoming projects in the works, including a book and a new album. She is also active in her community, working to support mental health awareness and advocacy.
Rushion interviews Lecrae, who discusses his Gospel Rap Career, Mental Health in the Black Community, and his Controversial Collaboration, “Blessings,” with Ty Dolla $ign. His new single, “Your Power,” with Tasha Cobbs, was released in time for May Mental Health Awareness Month to create dialogue around depression, therapy, and talk about the pressure of being an ideal role model.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
There we go. Welcome, You heard him Rashaan McDonald. Like
what people say my name correctly? You know I always
tell people when you get my name right, thank you.
That means I've done something right in my life. Welcome
to money Making Conversation masterclass. I'm your host, Rashwan. Our
theme is there's no perfect time to start following your dreams.
A lot of people they sit around complaining about a
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lot of things. They get frustrated about a lot of things.
If you just start, and if you start with a plan,
it's going to be all good. Because see, I recognize
that we all have different definitions of success for you, baby,
decide for your pack, check up your paycheck. Mine is
inspiring you to accomplish your goals and live your very
best life. It's time to stop reading other people's success
stories and start living your own. People always talk about
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their purpose or gifts. I always talk about the gifts.
You hear people say gifts your gift. Leave with your gift,
and don't let your friends, family, or co worker stop
you from planning or living your dreams. So let's get
money making conversations started. I have a great show line
up tonight. I have two of my gospel friends on
the show today. The first part of the show be
led by Tasha Page Lockhart and the second half of
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the show my boy Lacrez joining. So let's get started.
I guess Hell's from Detroit, Michigan. That's my first guest,
multi time vocalist Tasha Page Lockhart. Tasha is the daughter
of award winning gospel singer Lisa Page Books of the
female group Witness Tasha Page two time Stellar Award winners.
To start, we TV's Growing in Gospel. It's the first
season and we will be talking about it because I've
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seen all the episodes. We will hear her life and
some of the personal struggles with addiction and mental health issues,
including depression and anxiety. We will discuss new projects that
she have coming up, because I want to know, I'm
pretty sure booking after I've seen this episode, these six episodes,
there's a book in her future. I'm just gonna I'm
not saying I'm some fortune teller, but there has to
be a book a Ouiji board. She's also active in
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her community, working to support mental health awareness and advocacy,
something we will be talking about today for sure. Please
work with the Money Making Conversations masterclass for the first time.
Tasha Page Lockhart, how you doing, my.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Friend, I'm doing well. How were you?
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Say? So?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
If you're up in the Detroit you big d up
there at De Truit.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Oh yeah, I'm in Detroita. I'm born and raised here.
Oh absolutely.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
You know I've met there many times. You know, I
was managing Steve Harvey used to go up there and
do concert dates and do live event dates up there.
Some very familiar with Chicago and how has been renovated,
you know, how the downtown made a big comeback and
all those things. Now what you being born and raised
there what is the state of Detroit right now? Detroit, Michigan.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
You know Detroit on the comeback. If you go to
look downtown, you'll see everything that they have been building
up the city downtown. It looks beautiful. It's amazing. And
it's not just you know how sometimes you know, the
other folks come and take over. That ain't the case
down here in Detroit. Such a mixed crowd.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
You know Detroit, If I'm not mistaken, Detroit is about
eighty percent of African Americans. So there's no way you
could come to our city and not see you know,
they always talk about crime, and they try to talk
about how bad it is and all the negative things
in our city. But there are some very prominent business
owners and African American, wealthy black people in the city
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of Detroit that are doing their thing. If you go
on livanoid, you'll see in the garment district, the fashion
district there all of the businesses and stores and coffee
shops and all kinds of things. We have a lot
of business owners and entrepreneurs here in the city of Detroit,
and so I'm proud of the city and what they're doing.
They have been tearing down a lot of the abandoned
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home right, just really building the city up. So yeah,
I'm very proud of my city.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Well, you know, it's really sad that stereotypes do tend
to lay itself on people of color, black people, brown people,
people want a stereotype because when you're stereotype, you know,
property value goes down, you know, the reason people want
to come. Tourism can go down. People can fear for
their lives, and that's been tragic to see that happen
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to your city. But now it's making the comeback and
then you're part of you have to be extra proud
of that because I know for a fact, I was
fortunate to see the development of it coming around and
seeing the downtown and driving around seeing in Detroit, seeing
those abandoned buildings being torn down. So it's really a
proud moment for me to see they come back because
like you said, it is eighty percent black Detroit.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yes it is. Yeah, so I'm just about to be
from here. You know, whenever you tell somebody you're from Detroit,
they take great inside of you. That's period motown with
just being motor city. And then my grandfather was with Motown,
so he traveled with Barry Gordy. If you go to
a History of USA, you'll see my grandfather's picture on
the wall. He was in a group called the Monitors.
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So you know, my family has a long, rich history
in the music scene, not just in God.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So you had no choice. You had no choice but
to sing as long as God gave you the talent, Tasha,
you had no choice but to sing.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Right, absolutely, so, I'm proud to be from Detroit.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
You know, when I think about, you know, music, I
can't sing. You know, I got into the entertainment business,
Tasha as a stand up comedian. That's God gave me
that talent to be able to twitch words and make
people laugh real hard and got paid real well for it.
But to sing, that's a special talent. When did you
realize you had the ability to sing? And was there
an option to do R and B instead of gospel?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
You know, singing the most coveted talent and gift that
there is. Everybody always saying I wish I could sing.
If I could sing, I never shut up, you know,
people always say that when I realized I could sing,
I guess I would have to say I was in
elementary school. Actually, because a lot of people may not know,
but from the ages of seven to fourteen, I was
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doing jingles and voiceovers from Major.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Coprien, Biscuit, Bisquit, you know all that stuff. Biscuit.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, some some that you may have recognized, they didn't
know it was me. I'm about to give you two
of them real quick. You ready, America's best selling many bands,
Dodge Caravan, that was that was one of my That
was one of them. I know you heard that before
I hear another one I first, So you're nine anyway,
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the best way to care that was me as well.
I mean I've done so many So that was.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Because you know, you're talking to brother can't sing, but
that's a jingle. How does I remember when I had
Jamie Foxx show back in ninety nine, we made a
his character become a jingle writer, a jingle singer, and
a commercial agency. How do you get Do you have
to come in there and rehearse to be a jingle
singer or how does that work? Or they just bring
the option to you and you just cut it and
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they just choose. How does that happen?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
So I'm gonna take you on the journey real quick.
This is how my life has always been set up.
And I know this is not a gospel show, but
because I am a lover of Jesus Christ, I just
add Him into everything that I do. So you know,
I you know, I'm not gonna ask for forgiveness, but
you know I'm just gonna be I'm gonna be throwing
out some gems and I gotta I gotta speak and
brag on how good God is because this is how
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my life has always been set up. I live by this,
and it's that every opportunity is an auditionip for something next.
So I was just a little girl that was always
in the studio when my parents would be working on
music right and so because I was in the right
place at the right time, they was like, oh, we
need a little girl to ConA do a christ A commercial.
So I went in the next rooman did the commercial.
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When me and my mom, When me and my mom
the fear My Trailblazers Award Tribute to Mary Mary, I
was walking down the hall in my attorney at the time,
Attorney James Walker was coming down the hallway and he's
sent the casting director from Tyler Perry and he introduced us.
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The rest is history. I did twenty Cities with Medea
on the run. Every opportunity is an audition for something else.
So it's just you have to be where you're supposed
to be. And that's the thing. When you're where you're
supposed to be, it's almost like you it's you're unstoppable.
But whenever you get out of place, when you come
off of the past, when you're not doing what you're
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supposed to be doing, you're missing all of those moments
and you're missing all of those opportunities.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Well that's you know, that's important what you're saying, Tasha Page,
because see let me, let me break it down to everybody,
and it's about fear, because fear stopped a lot of people.
Like I said, you know, when you got every opportunity
you had, fear did not to did not succeed. It
ain't put doubt in you, it didn't make you question.
(09:04):
You just felt that God it placed you in the
right position and guess would you roll the strength of
your belief and you made it happen. Plus you have
the talent to do it as well. Correct.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Absolutely, you have to perfect your craft. You can't just
lean solely on Oh, the favor of God, or God's
gonna do it. God's gonna make a way. Yes he
doesn't make ways. Yes he will open doors. He will
put you on the minds of certain people. But when
you get there, when you walk through that door and
you stay in that phage, or you have to stand
behind that podium or get on those instruments, whatever it
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is that you do in your field, you have to
show up. That means your waiting period. When you're waiting,
that has to be your preparation. You have to make
sure that you master master your craft. So do your research, study, study, study, practice, practice, practice,
whatever it may be. Get your Do you get media
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training so you can know how to have yourself in interviews,
know how to handle yourself on red curtains. Do everything
they need to do so you can say my part
is done. No, okay, God, come on, it's on you.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
You know, you know this is an entrepreneur show. And
when you said, rasheane, I'm gonna go there gospel, because
see what people understand is that I was talking to
Yolanda out at one time and she told me, she said,
reshine business and God get business in God the same conversation,
the same conversation, and I was trying to separate it.
I was trying to separate it. And when I hear
you talk, and that's why I'm just slowing you down.
Because every value that you every point that you just
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talked about, people should use in the every day for
their week job, everything that. As an entrepreneur, if you're
starting a business, you should know your craft. You should
be willing to put into work. You should master your craft.
Everything that you're saying, even if you're saying Rashan, look
I'm gonna go there. I'mna tell her, I'm gonna show
my faith. But faith is tied to effort. Faith is
tied to planning. And I just want to let everybody know,
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you know, what she's saying is replicated every day in life.
Whether you're a true believer of the faith or your
person who believes that don't understand how to marry the too,
it is the same. It's about effort, and that's about
a belief.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And passion absolutely, And it's about risk taking. It's about
what risks are you willing to take? In business, in faith,
in relationships, partnering, partnering with other people, you don't know
these people. It's taking a risk in relationships, you don't
know the person. I don't care how long you date somebody,
you don't really know them until after you marry them.
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So it's all about risk taking. It's all about risk taking.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Well, you know, it's really interesting to tell I'm talking
to Tasha Page, like, I'm just tell you something. She
can talk now, you know, I get a lot of
people on my show, but you can talk. And that's
a good thing because of the fact that you know,
some people asking one question, it just they say yes,
and you go, okay, did they just say yes and
not add anymore to the yes? But see, you have
something to say and you're motivated to tell the truth.
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And when you're talking about the truth, it's about overcoming
the odds. And you've had some ards you've had to
overcome in your life, but you don't let them win.
Some difficult moments that led you to depression and anxiety.
How were you able to come over those, overcome those
difficult moments in your past to have such a bright future.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Well, I wouldn't have ever been able to overcome any
type of difficult moments. If in want Number one wasn't
for God. And then you know, my upbringing, my family
brought me up in church, and then the track of
people that I have around me that hold me accountable,
that pour into me, that check on me, you know,
and then also just my want to. What I mean
by my want to is I do not care what
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I'm going through in my life, what I'm faced with,
what I'm dealing with, what I'm up against. I want
to make it. I want to win. I want to
be healthy. I want to see myself sowing and thriving.
And you gotta want it. You gotta want that yourself
more than you more than you want to be famous,
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and more than you want to have titles and a
big name, and more than you want some material things
you got. It's always an inside job. And so because
I'm my biggest fan, because I want to be I
want to be well, and I want to be whole
and healed, first of all for myself, so I can
be the best representation for God and for myself and
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show up for myself and for my family and my
children and my eight month old granddaughter. Like I have
people that are depending on me, that are looking up
to me. Let alone I'm not even going getting into
the followers and the supporters and the people. Some of
the people I'll never meet, but they look to me
for wisdom. They look to me as an example, and
you know that's a big responsibility. So I have to
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say that's how I made it, putting God first, but
then also wanting it so bad that I was willing
to do the work to get it.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
And that's important. I'll tell you she can talk. But
guess what when we come back from this break now,
we're going to talk about the first season of we
TV's Grown in Gospel and they doing some things over that. No,
Fred Hammond daughter, You're about to learn some things about Fred.
Am about to learn a few more things about mcgirl,
Tasha and her maid in her life. You know, they
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break it down, my boy, Jay Brooks, Elijah, Shana. I
know them all now because I watched the whole season. Now,
they haven't renewed it yet, but they put all that
stuff out in the public now, So I hope it
gets renewed because they put everything out there in the
first season. We'll be right back for Mcgirl, Tasha Page Lockhart.
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Speaker 1 (15:39):
Welcome back to money making conversation. I'm talking to Tasha
Page Lockhart, incredible singer, going to sing. You know, it's
one of those things you do. You have an option,
you know, you know. She came out singing, singing jingles,
just walking down the hall being got on tour ordinate
with Medea. That's Tyler Perry Medea just walking down the hall.
Got that ready. Somebody tapped on the show. She read
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Gene jump back and go, oh my god. She said, when,
how and how come? All those things led to her
to understand that if you follow your belief, follow faith,
then great things can happen. That's what I preach on
this show, but she's given it a different spin on.
It's about effort, planning and goals. She is ready. She
wakes up in the morning prepare for success, and with success,
the opportunity comes her way. Tasha's ready. That's what I
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love about you. And when I was reading your bio
or reading your history and like before the show, I
called her because I wanted her to hear my voice.
I want to let her know what type of show
did I do? Because I never interviewed her before. Because
I wanted to come on with this type of energy,
so she could understand that this is a positive show
and your energy, Tasha is incredible. Is it always been
like this?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Oh yeah, this is who I am? You know, this
is this is who I am. And then going back
to what you were saying about, you know, struggles and
going through things. That's how my family knew that I
was going through because they were like, wait a minute,
you've changed. You know, I've always been bubbly. I've always
been very talkative. I'm a communicator. I love to talk.
I'm a people person, so I'm always making somebody laugh
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and you know, just fun to be around. And so
when life started license and my personality started to become
altered because of what I was dealing with, that's how
they knew something was going on.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Well, you know, it's really interesting. When I was watching
the show and you know, you know, I know Fred Hammond,
you know many times came on the Steve Harry Morning Show,
and then you you know my boy Kurt Franklin. You know,
it's so many names, and just read a minute of
inspiration with my girl care Shared and it's Londa Adams
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has just brought up her name. It's just so much.
I've walked that walk with so many people. They've shared
their stories with me that really make me realize how
how I'm able to communicate, and communicating with you is
such a key element to that. So when you're making
the decision to making these career moves, Tasha, what goes
to your mind because I'm about to go into this
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reality that you're doing on week? What made you go
into that direction and what prompted you to say this
is good for my career.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Well, you know a lot of people were saying that
don't do what Tasha is going to be career suicide.
You're in the gospel music industry, and you know reality
TV is so messy and this isn't and I have
to really stop and I prayed about it, and it
has with anything that I do, have to line up
with my purpose. I can't be money driven, I can't
be saying driven, I can't be any of those things.
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It has to line up with my purpose. And you know,
the Bible talks about confessing your thoughts one to another.
It also talks about the power of confession. You know,
they overcame by the word of their testimony and the
blood of the Lamb in Revelation and twelfth chapter. And
so this was an opportunity for me to be transparent
and show the truth about my life, where I was
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in my life at that time and now to see
where I am today. That is showing how God literally
turned my life around in less than a year. And
so it's just all made sense for me to be
able to do the show. I didn't. I was never scared.
I was never nervous of being black bater, canceled or
anything because I wasn't outing anybody and I wasn't dashing
anybody or talking down on anybody else. I didn't go
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on the show for a controversy or mess I went
on there to tell the truth about my life. And
the fact is, life within itself can be messy. So
I didn't have to contrive a story, make nothing up.
I didn't have to cust nobody out and throw no
drinks for nobody. Nothing.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
You did not, you did not it is and you
walked out of their lawyer's office. You know you was
in tears and lawyer didn't know what to do. I
thought that was an honest moment when you were talking
about your life and realizing that it was going in
this different direction when you was trying to get back
with your husband, trying to reconcile, you know, and then
when your friend came over, Nikki, I believe the road
manager came over. You're talking about what happened.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
One thing about these shows is that they always makes
me nervous. Tasha is Dad. You got your story, then
you bring all these other people in and they got
their story too. How does that reflect on you? Like,
for instance, Brea her story. Now, I don't know what producer.
I don't know why Brie had to tell everybody that
she was a stripper. Nobody didn't do that. Why Brie
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had to say that, I don't know. But these are
the type of things that can you can sell on
these shows. They work for the show, but they might
work for your career. And I'm not saying that was
a negative, but sometimes you have to understand that they
do have ramifications. Is that a correct word used in
that situation?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Oh? Yeah? You know, everything comes with the consequence, whether
good or bad, right, and you have to consider those
things before you do it. And then sometimes you know
you're getting your feelings or it's you gotta be careful
because when you're sitting in a room with six of
your friends and people you've been knowing twenty plus years
or more, and you got a mic on you, sometimes
you're not thinking because you're like, Okay, I'm sitting here
with my BFF or this is my brother, this is
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we're just talking. So that's why it's tricky with reality
TV US. They cannot edit something you never said. But
if it comes out of your mouth and you don't
have creative controller, you're nothing as one of the producers,
then you can't control how they edit or they do
a facial expression, or they clip something up and make
it seem like you said something that you didn't. You know,
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it's really tricky and you have to use wisdom. You
gotta be cognizant of the fact that you know they
can make this look however they want to.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Right, So let me ask you this. So when you
with your husband trying to reconcile, right, trying to with
thoughts running through you through your mind, I got to
play it this way or was that an honest moment?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Right?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I'm just asking you know, because because you know, things
can go sideways, like you said, whatever they capture on
fam whatever they capture on audio. You know, and this
relationship can go sideways when you walk into these scenes
and you know these are real scenes. You know that's
a man that you had a relationship, that was a
man you're trying to reconcile with Tasha. What goes in
your mind to protect who you are would also be
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as real as possible.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
In those moments, you're not thinking about protecting who you are.
You're just you're playing the moments out. It's you know,
you don't know what you're gonna say because there's no scripts.
It's real like if there's no scripts, you get you
get a time sheet in the morning. Sometimes you don't
even know where you're filming, so you get a time
sheet in the morning that says, this is what time
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you're filming, this is the location. Sometimes you don't even
know who you're filming with, you know. With that thing
with him and I, we knew we were filming that scene,
but we avoided a lot of conversations because we wanted
it to be real, we wanted it to be natural.
And then we had a conversation prior to that when
we said, okay, these are the things that are off
the limits We're not going to talk about ex spouses,
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we're not going to talk about children, We're now I'm
not going to bring up your church. It was just
certain things that we said, these will be off limits.
Let's keep the conversation focused on you and I. And
so those are some things that you have to do
when we out to be TV. But at the end
of the day, I felt like a lot was accomplished
because we were able to show like, yeah, we're believers,
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we're Christians, but we had our lives getting messy, we
make mistakes just like you. Such happened, and so I
was I was happy when I when I looked back
at it, I was a little nervous, But when at it,
I was like, you know, I'm proud of myself because
I did something that first of all, I'm a woman.
Number two, it's some men that wouldn't even go on
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national television and admit to having an affair. So it's like, I.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Wasn't gonna say that, I ain't putting all your business
down in the streets.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Now all your business it's already on it's already on TV. Listen.
I ain't got no shame in my game.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
It is what it is, you know, because y'all were
separated that when it happened, y'all was separated. Okay, let's
go and get the facts right there. Separated.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Okay, we were separated, and now I did think we
were getting a divorced at the time we ended up getting.
But still I have to be held accountable for my actions.
There's no e for that. You're not divorced until you're divorced.
And I will not suggest or advise any person that
is separated or going through a divorce to give their
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body to somebody else. You know, go through your healing process,
love on yourself, get hell, get whold, go through therapy,
do all of those things before you jump into another relationship,
because all you're doing is damaging yourself even more so.
You know, I know where I went wrong, and that
was a part of me coming on the show to
say I'm woman enough to admit when I've been wrong
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and to apologize and keep it moving.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Well, let me tell you something you're doing more than that.
You know you are so talented. I'm just gonna let
you know so talent, so gifted, You're such a great communicator.
What I know. We're wrapping up the interview here and
like I said, she called me wich, how long am
I talking? I can talk to you for an hour.
I swear to you that you know you are that
good of a storyteller, and you don't you know, I
(25:00):
can tell when I'm talking to people when they they're there,
they're couching their words and I don't want to say
that you're just talking, and you're smart enough to say.
This is how I'm an honest person. So I have
nothing to hide. And so with the stories of the
information I share with you is really on it. And
that came across from the show. So I know that
they got to be a book coming up. Are you're
going to write a book about your life that you've
(25:22):
experienced so far? What's the future for Tasha?
Speaker 3 (25:26):
So I have one book that I put out a
few years ago. It's called h and the Winner is
Tasha Pay's Black Her Uncut. You can find that on Amazon.
But I am working on my second book and it's
called it's a work book attached to it and it's
called it's simply called do the Work, which is the
process that I've been going through over the past two
years after being separated and then going through a second divorce,
(25:49):
which has been very public. There's a lot of work
that has to be done. There's a lot of work
that should be done before marriage, there's a lot of
work that should be done during marriage and after if
you go through a divorce or in a separation you
or whatever the case may be. And not just in marriage,
but in life. There is work that needs to be done.
Nothing comes easy, but if you put in the work,
there is a great new ward that you will receive.
(26:11):
And so that's what I want people to really grasp
the idea of you know, you can have all of
this vision and all of these ideas and say what
you want to do, but those things will not materialize
until you start putting in work.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Wow, Tasha, tell everybody about your handles, how they can
reach you all these good things. We wrap up this interview.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
You can reach me on Instagram at Tasha page Lockhart
on Twitter at Pasha Lockhart. You can go to my
website Tplministries dot com, where you can get new merch
There you can sign up for a one on one
life coaching, consultations or vocal training or artist development. You
can actually buy my book on the website all things Tasha.
You can book me from the website again, that's Tplministries
(26:53):
dot com. Also, I'm going on tour. I'm excited. First
week in June, going on tour with a comedy and
his name is Travail Judd.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You're going to be merging.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah, we're going on tour and we're going to be
merging comedy with music. And I'm excited to premiere new
music that's coming out in July and to sing some
of your Sunday best favorites. And you can get the
tickets now, go to this is Me Tour dot net.
This is Me Tour dot net and find your city there.
And we're adding more cities because we're going to be
(27:27):
going all the way into August with the tour. So
I'm excited about that.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Cool. I want to thank you for coming to my show.
Appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I got to come back because I want to do
some more things with you this summer. If you have time,
please let me know, Okay, because you're fantastic, You're amazing, and.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Again, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Thank you for coming on Money Making Conversations master Class.
All right, Tasha Paige Lockart, Bye bye, my friend, well,
I told you it's going to be a spirited show.
I got my gospel's friends on the show coming up next.
He has to be my fourth time interview in this
young brother. We like friends. First time I interviewed him,
we'll actually first time I song was in Houston at
the Super Bowl event and I realized that guy's gifted.
(28:05):
His name is La Crate. Be right back with more.
They call him a Christian rapper. I call him a
brother who's doing things and changing the world. The Crate
right back after this break with Shawn McDonald money Making comers.
He's a masterclass.
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Speaker 5 (29:39):
Now, let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashaun
McDonald outside.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
I'm a man, Kurt Franklin, I know very well. This
is my next guess is one of the honest rappers
in the game. He's a Christian Rapper's name is La Crag.
He's recognized as the first artist to have an album
hit the charts at number one for both the Billboard
two hundred and the Gospel Charts simultaneous, a multi Grammary
Award winning platinum. All this New York Times bestselling author
interviewed him on that book, Tremendous, The Crazy workers, fueled
(30:07):
by building bridges, changing narrative, empowering a different franchise, and
restoring the dignity of those who are lost. We were
discussing his gospel career, mental health in the black community,
which we don't talk about enough, his controversial collaboration with
Blessings with my man Tie Dollar sign cause I'm trying
to figure that out because I've heard it so many times,
trying to figure that out. His new single Your Power
(30:28):
with Tasha Cobbs was released in time for May Mental
health awareness mark to create dialogue around depression therapy and
talk about the pressure of being an ideal role model.
We have a lot to unpack. Please, welcome to the
Money Making Conversations Masterclass. Look, Craig, how you doing, My.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Brother, what's going on? It's all good man, all is well.
I can't complain. I'm grateful to be here, appreciate you
having me on.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
We know just about the fourth or fifth interview as
as saying a fourth and every time, I always go
back to when I first saw you and in Houston,
and there was a all those things church. It was
a think the Super Bowl Gospel celebration that was taping it,
and you came down that and I've never seen you
and all I can remember, and I would probably every
time I interviewed, I aways bringing up because you know,
(31:12):
when you see something and I'm just telling you look
crazy when you see something special, you have to keep
reminding people because you get hit all the time and
we kind of get wolled down and we kind of like,
I'm not saying you've lost focus, but you know, you
tend to like get sway from what you your purpose.
Your purpose is to impact people like me. I'm not
an everyday church goer. You know. I probably clothes I
(31:34):
go to church with. When my wife she says grace
and I say amen, that's that's that's my regular going
to church, you know. And and when I do other church,
I understand the value of going to church when I'm
in that church. And you affected me, brother, with your talents,
with your gifts and every word. I hung on it
(31:54):
and it still impacts me today when I when I
see you and I hear you talking to these interviews,
it's always not just you rapping, but you're about the
community and you're about uplift. Tell everybody about La Craze.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Yeah, well, you know, I can only be authentically me.
And you know, I wasn't raised in the church. That's
not my background, you know. So I wanted to create
tools and music and experiences for people like myself. You
know what was what would raise my eyebrows and helped
me realize that, you know, my faith is is bigger
(32:29):
than four walls. My faith is bigger than uh, you know,
white gloves and hats, and so I really wanted to
create something for folks like that, and that's kind of
what has been driving me ever since. So I want
to be in different realms, you know. You you see
me in the prisons, the detention centers. You see me
on on the court side, you know, talking to my
(32:51):
NBA players or my NFL players. You'll see me, you know,
mixing it up, you know, at different environments. But again,
I'm gonna be in the church as well, because I'm
trying to be well rounded.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
We know, it's really interesting. I always tell people that,
you know, when you meet somebody special, sometimes you don't
even know how to talk to him. The very first
time I interviewed the Cray was probably the most difficult
interview because I didn't really know how comfortable I could
be with him because he was you know, it's like,
you know, I'm a I'm a fan of hip hop,
I'm a fan of Godspel. It was the first time
(33:23):
I interviewed a Christian rapper, a rapper of hip hop.
So so my whole conversation was like, okay, because you know,
because rap has that that the history of you know,
a tough violence. Uh, getting that bank, getting that bag,
you know women in video, that's what that That's what
when you say the word rapper, you say the word
(33:44):
hip hop, that's what it entails. Do you fight that?
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Is that something that you did that when people when
you say you're a Christian rapper, that you have to
that you have to deal with As far as being stereotyped.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yeah, you know you dealt with it a lot early on,
but then you realize, you know, and let me just
the narrative. If people think, you know, all black people
are criminals, I'm not gonna walk around saying well, I'm
not black. You know, I'm gonna change your perspective. You know,
I'm gonna change your perspective of what a black person is.
And so when you come across me, uh, you know,
(34:17):
you're gonna say, well what I thought that they were all, well, yeah,
you thought wrong, you know, and so, uh, you may
have some perceptions about what what what a rapper who's
a Christian looks like or a Christian rapper and how
they move and how they get down. Uh, but allow
me to reintroduce myself.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
And so so you know, I had ta page Lockhart
early on the earlier part of the show. And you know,
it's got like my church day to day, my gospel
day to day, because y'all have different styles, you know,
and which is really awesome. And you know she grew
up in the church. You know, her mom was a
church you know, so it was no options for you
for her to go in that direction. How did you
(34:55):
get in this direction? First of all, I can understand
the hip hop game, but how did you get part
of it get played into the hip hop game with
you look great?
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Yeah? Well, you know I was always a free thinking individual.
You know. My mother was was raised in the church
and she was a face some abuse, you know, some
church her. So she didn't want me to experience that.
So she raised me to think freely to philosophy, you know, philosophy,
and I started just exploring different views and and and
I knew that I had purpose, you know. And so
(35:27):
if you know you got purpose, that means, you know,
purposes must come from somewhere. You can't just be a
cosmic accident, just a product of a big bang and
you think you got purpose. So purpose had to be
given to me from somewhere. So I started just investigating
where that was and what that looked like. And so
I was on a college campus and decided to, uh,
you know, it was a young lady. It's always a
(35:47):
young lady. Uh you know, you know, hey, but she, uh,
she invited me to a Bible study. I said, you know,
I let me go in and check it out. And
and you know, they blew my mind because they did.
They looked like me, they dressed like me, they talked
like me, and I did not expect that. And so
I hung around a little longer, and before long, you know,
(36:09):
I met God in that group of people. And and
then it would turned into like, well, man, you know,
I can express myself through rap music amongst these folks.
So they were people just like me, right, and they
loved it.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah, now now that's that's that's God.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
We went to the meeting. That's what I love talking
to you, and Kirk, I love talking to because you
just really kind of like talking at least say you know,
it's like woman that was a girl. You know, because
so many people in the in the church game don't
want to tell the truth. They don't want to tell
you that journey all the time, and the journey is
everyday life journey. Like you know, like Steve Harvey used
to always say, you know, uh, act like church people
(36:46):
don't have sex. They got some church kids from somewhere. Okay,
they came from somewhere. And now so let's go and
be honest. Now, when we were talking about you and
this whole part of the process. Now you you're around
the group of people. Now you wrapping the them. You're
breaking lyrics off. Now when did they When did somebody
come and go, brother, you got something here. You gotta
(37:07):
you can step this up to the next level here,
you know, because we all know that that this this
industry is tied to money. Lookret and we know that
the direction you were going ain't the big money maker
in the hip hop game. You know, they you know,
they're not saying that you broke but you know what
a hip hop game. It's the number one streaming format
(37:27):
in the world is hip hop music. And I've talked
to enough gospel artists to know what is a what
is what is a big seller in the gospel game.
Did that come into play? Did people tell you, man,
you need to take your skills over to the hip
hop side instead of the Christian side? What was What
was your people telling you and why did you stand
strong in the Christian rap side?
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Yeah? So I had some individuals, you know, I obviously
had uh, the producers and the DJs who said, hey,
I like what you're doing, and I think, you know,
you might want to try this on the mainstream side.
You know, that may be a better look for you, right.
But but there was a young man, you know, he
(38:11):
was older than me at the time, and he was
into uh ironically, he was in the money management. He
was a financial advisor, and I really respected him because
I had never met, you know, a young black financial
advisor before. It was it was new to me, and
I really respected him. And he told me, he said, hey, man,
(38:31):
you really have a talent, and you know, I think
God can use you if you really, you know, put
some structure around this and begin to build on it.
And so, man, that lit a fire on me because
he was somebody I respected. You know, he had this
stuff together. Because I was nervous, you know, I was like, Man,
(38:51):
should I pursue this rap thing? I don't know, but
he gave me the encouragement to do it.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Well, you know, it's really interesting because the whole thing
that people need to understand it is that, you know,
I always tell people there's a forking roll and the anything.
You know, there are a lot of people in jail
because they took the wrong fork in the roll. We
all make these decisions, and whether you can walk that
decision back I don't know. But when you make the decision,
I always say, give a hundred percent. And that's what
you did. You gave a hundred percent when you start
(39:17):
breaking through those walls and started realizing that you can
have a career out of this, because that's the next
step in. And I remember when I started doing stand
up comedy. I was just doing stand up comedy for fun,
look great, and then I realized, you know, some of
these people paying me a check to do this. Then
I realized, you know something, I on TV doing this
and I realized, you know something, people showing up to
see me tell jokes, I can make a career to this.
(39:37):
But before that, it was a lot of it was
a lot of dollars. Look great, boy, you're gonna leave
IB be able to do what You better lead that
good job. You better lead that good job. You ain't
that funny. You ain't that funny? You know those dollars man.
And that's that's when I started wondering in the whole process.
That's when faith come in it. You know, your belief,
You know that you have to that you have to
(40:00):
to lock in and otherwise what are you what are
you fighting? Because there's so many people can like jump
into your lane and say, like you said, DJ talking
about hey man, money over here, bag over here, over here? Yeah,
but money over here. You know, those type of people
are really dangerous because in the end, we all know
(40:20):
we're gonna fall. Will they be there to help you
stand up? That's what you have to realize, am I right?
Speaker 4 (40:27):
That's right? You you nailed it. That's a big piece
of it. And you know, even my mother was a
little nervous, you know. And and because of the fact
that I had a nine to five, and I, you know,
was was getting a severance check. But like you said,
I started doing show after show and I knew, you know,
I had a budget, and I knew, Okay, let me
(40:48):
see how much is rent? Okay, this show pay for rent?
This could take care Okay, all right? And now you
know I planned it out a little bit and then
I made it. I made that leap of faith, like
you said.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
And this a powerful leaf, ladies. And Jen, you know,
I love bringing on individuals who you know because of
the fact that when I when I talked to little Crape,
because he's younger than me, I always I loved because
he's gonna walk in my shoes. He's gonna he gonna
make some mistakes I made, and he's gonna live through
those mistakes and he's gonna learn that he's a better
(41:19):
man for it. I always tell people, in order to
be successful, you gotta make a mistake, because that way
you won't make that mistake tright. Nowf you make it
two or three times, you're not a successful person anymore.
But as you go through that path and that process,
the arrows and the slings that come at you. And
because the last time we talked about we talked about money.
The last time I interviewed him, he was doing a
web series called Protect the Bag, so that means that
(41:43):
he understands money with all people were telling him, no, man,
you're taking the risk. No man, don't leave that job,
No man, go hip hop. Years later you been you
getting paid to talk about money and financial literacy.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Wow, right, that's right, that's right, you nailed it. And again,
you know, that's why you got to stay on the
pathway that you believe you're supposed to be on, because,
like you said, those people who are doubting you, they're
not gonna pay your bills and they're not gonna be
there for you, you know, to celebrate the wins with you.
(42:20):
So you know, it's kind of like, hey man, you
at the end of the day, you gotta make a choice.
And it's what I tell a lot of my youngins.
I tell them, I say, hey, you know nothing, at
some point in time, you're gonna have to take a risk,
you know, make it a calculated risk, and make it worthwhile.
But don't put too much pressure on yourself, especially if
you're in your early mid twenties. You know, if you
can make a couple of mistakes at twenty two. If
(42:42):
you make mistakes for three years at twenty two years old,
you're still gonna be in your twenties by the time.
You know, you realize what's going on, So you know,
keep trying.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
You know, that's so powerful, that's so powerful. When we
come back, I got to talk to you as a
pressure release to hit the wire. He called his PR
person and involved the song Your Power and involved Tasha Cobb.
When we come back and go talk about that, and
it was the funny story. I called Jackie Old, that's
his PR person. I said, I got to interview my
(43:13):
boy La Craye. She said he don't do nothing at
the five point thirty. I said, wow, I said, he asked.
She called me back the crill do your show. This
is my boy right here. This is my boy. That's
why he's on the show. If you're right back for
more from my man, La Craig, we'll.
Speaker 5 (43:35):
Be right back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass with
Rashawn McDonald.
Speaker 6 (43:42):
You are now tuned into the Money Making Conversations Minute
of Inspiration with Rashawn McDonald.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
This week, I sat down with Media Mobile, Hollywood executive
and philanthropist Nick Cannon. Although the former child star has
experienced a long career of success, when no signs of
slowing down. He explains why he's so pass about creating
opportunities for others.
Speaker 9 (44:03):
It's all about the community. For me, it's about giving
other people opportunities. It's about opening doors and sharing their knowledge,
wealth and wisdom that I've obtained with everyone else. I mean,
you know, obviously I'm still in school. Hopefully, you know,
I'll be able to you know, Hu Howard University. I
want to go all the way on getting my masters,
want to go to my doctorate and eventually be a
professor and teach the things that I've picked up along
(44:28):
the way. But it's all about the community, whether it's teaching,
whether it's entertaining, whether it's investing into us.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
If you want to listen to this full interview with
Nick Cannon, it's available on Money Making Conversations dot com.
Speaker 5 (44:41):
Now let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashaan McDonald.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Wow, I'm back on this. Rashwan McDonald speaking to Locrat.
He's recognized as the first artist to have an album
to hit the charts at number one in both Billboard
two hundred and the Gospel Charge. That's right. He's a
multi multi Grammar Warard winning the Artists New York Times
Bestselling art But it's a press release that I saw
that came across my wire talking about the song Your Power,
(45:08):
which is fantastic, by the way, I listened to it
several times and with Tasha Cobbs and was talking about
the church community, dealing with stereotypes, dealing with people expecting
certain things to be a certain way, and certain gospel
church people act a certain way. Can you break it
down and can in details. It's your show, it's your forum.
(45:28):
I just wanted to understand what's going on in the
world and why there was a need for you and
Tasha to get together.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
Yeah. Well, you know, Tasha and I are very vocal
about mental health. We both had struggles with mental health
that we wanted to be public about because black folks
don't talk about it as much as we need to.
And then, you know, some of the blowback that both
of us have received from you know, certain church folks
(45:58):
about our collaborations with Nicki Minaj and mine with Todd
Dollar Sign, you know, created some unnecessary tension and pressure
and you know, you don't realize that that stuff just
keeps piling up and piling up, and no public figure
deserves to be as celebrated or criticized as we are.
(46:18):
And so that stuff can tend to mess with your psyche.
And so we just decided to take control of that
and to take you know, our mental health back into
our own hands.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
It was really interesting now because I do it. I
do a lot of episodes on mental health and anxiety
and stress and depression. And on the show, my wife
was listening and I said to it, and I said,
on the show, I deal with depression, and she and
she and you do. Just this last week, she said,
I never know you dealt with any depression. And this
(46:50):
is where this is the problem with the black community.
And you know, I've been with my wife since eighty
two and she's never heard me say depression or anything.
And she and she and I explained her. I said, well,
I just deal with it. I just I said, I'm
gonna tell you, I've been black all my life. I said,
(47:12):
when I get out the car, I still get nervous
of the police officers just say hello to me because
I have doubts. So I said, there's a natural lane
of stress that I'm gonna deal with. And I said,
and when you're an entertainment business, explain it. Depression is
part of that because there are no guarantees. And entertainment
business is the worst because you can be riding high,
(47:33):
walk in the room if somebody can tell you you're
not the one, and boy, that would not cure. You
don't know where to go to recover from that. And
so I said, it's something about entertainment. I said, when
you're doing a regular job, forty hour week job, that's different.
I said, when you're entertainment, your hides and loads can
be extreme. You can be you can walk off the
stage to a to a standing ovation and go to
(47:56):
the next city and they're not even looking They looking
like you that they've never seen you. Tell a joke,
a singal, a rap song. And I said, that is
what I dealt with all my life. And so and
also when you're dealing in a in a in a
lifestyle that so many people question your decisions, so many people,
(48:16):
you know, question what you do because you know what
you can say, this look crazy. I can't tell people
what I'm gonna do tomorrow. If somebody asked me, okay, Rishille,
what you're gonna do tomorrow. I know, I got a
lot of things I'm gonna do, but I can't tell you.
Like if you was a bank teller, you could tell
us what you're gonna do. If you drove trucks, you
can tell us what you're gonna do. If you are
a scientist, you can tell us we won't do. But
as an entrepreneur in the entertainment business, there's no lines
(48:41):
of description that you can say when I wake up,
this is my day, right or wrong?
Speaker 4 (48:45):
That's right, that's right. No, Yeah, I mean it fluctuates
from from day to day, and you know, you can
try to build in some kind of consistency, but at
the end of the day, you know, different things come
up and different things happening, so you got to make amends,
you got to you know, move accordingly, and so yeah,
that can create stress. And again, you know, we we
(49:06):
were taught not to talk about those types of things.
I mean, once upon a time we weren't even allowed
to talk about the right thing. They tapped in Martin
Luther King's phone so he couldn't tell better let anybody
know what he was going through and so you know,
that stuff just goes on and on down the line,
where today we know it's kind of like we got
so many things to deal with. We don't talk about
(49:26):
what's going on mentally and emotionally, and you know, it
hinders us from being healthy. So so music has been
a part of our healing regiment. And that's why I'm
grateful to be able to be a musician because I
can create some medicine for some folks. I mean, you
still might need to go to the doctor.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Right right, because because that's really the problem in our community,
because we I would tell people that in the first
of all, I don't jump hard on people who who
are slow in understanding that you need to go to
a doctor because of the fact that we know we're
the first hired, last five, you know, first first, last hire,
first fire. Okay, so we always I remember when I
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looked crazy when I had cancer. You know, I didn't
even know if I could reveal that because it might
cost me my career, It might cost me a job.
People might look at my age and cancer and think
I'm not hiring that dude anymore. So as a person
of color, there's so many things that we have to
consider before we tell somebody I need help. It's so
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many things we consider before we tell somebody that, and
it might come across as a sign of weakness of
people who you consider your friends might shy away from
you because they don't know how to deal with you.
And they might use the word, you know, the street word.
He crazy, He crazy, I don't know, he acting strange.
And so those are the things that before I jump
down there and go hey man, black people, they're the
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words black people. They got mental problem. Theyn't want to
talk about it. People need to step back as a
black man. I'm just talking for myself now, this a
black woman. Brother. I've been dealing with a lot. I
know I've had jobs I should have gotten. You know,
there are better comedy writers out there that I were
better better there, and I should they got a development deal,
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but they got it. I know that are comedy shows.
I should have been the headline and I was the
middle act. I know there are checks that should have
been bigger for me, but I didn't get it. All
those things I have to just as they say, suck
it up and move on. That is entertainment, and that
can lead you to depression.
Speaker 4 (51:23):
That's right, and you nailed the hammer on the head,
and we got to do a better job at navigating
those things and helping other people find freedom. And so that's,
you know, exactly what I aim to do. That's what
I make it my mission to do is to help
people find freedom. Whether that's music, whether that is you know, conversation,
whatever it is, that's what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
What you know, the thing about it is that when
we talk to crazy, I'm not trying to depress anybody.
I have energy in my voice. And when I'm talking
to you have energy because we've we've had so many conversations.
When I when I had you on the show about
your book, You Can't Get Anymore inst in that book?
Was that became a New York Times bestseller? Well, we
talked that was a different conversation. We talked about, you know,
(52:07):
protect the bag. That was a different conversation. Now we're
talking about mental health. How can we get our black
community to start raising their hand? How can we help
them out?
Speaker 4 (52:16):
La Craig, Well, we you know, we got to follow
follow some of our leaders, Taraji p Henson, the Rock, uh,
you know, Michelle Williams, you know myself. You know, these
are weird individuals who are being vocal about this because
we're letting you know that you're not alone. And so
(52:37):
you what, what do you have to be ashamed of?
What can you lose? You know by being honest with
yourself about getting some healing. You know you I'm not
telling you to tell the world. I'm telling you to
tell your doctor. You know what I mean. And so
you know, what do you have to lose? You have
everything to gain. And I can tell you on this
side of Grammys and billboards and all these awards acolade
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that I'm better for it. No, you got nothing to
lose and everything in the game.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
Now the single Your Power? How did that come about?
Speaker 5 (53:09):
That?
Speaker 1 (53:09):
You deal with Tasha Cobb?
Speaker 4 (53:11):
So, so, Tasha heard some of my music and historically
and we talked about doing something together, and I thought, man,
that's gonna be an interesting mashup, you know, with you
being traditional gospel and me being rapped. But we found
the right music in the right you know, kind of
combination and it became something special.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (53:30):
And now.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Now I'm trying to get some some clarity on this
this this controversy with Blessings, did you deal with Todd
dollars side. That was twenty seventeen, right, yeah, man, twenty
sevent I'll tell you something. I'm telling because I do
this star back then because I loved it. Now I
went did he do a remix? Did he what? Because
I went before that, before the All day to day,
(53:54):
I've been going through Google. I've been going through all
the search engines trying to find why are they hanging
on this song? Why blessings?
Speaker 4 (54:05):
You know, I wish I knew. I wish I knew.
You know, they just keep trying to find. But that's
how that's how it is. You know, you must be
doing something right if people looking for something wrong with
what you got going on. So you know, just you know,
for me, I just keep pushing.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
We'm gonna tell you something.
Speaker 4 (54:19):
Brother.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Listen to me. Man, you are one of my favorite
people of Creamy. And last time we talked, we talked,
I supposed to come by your building and you supposed
to come by my building. Now this time we gotta
make it happen. And then every time I talk to you, man,
we gotta do something together, man for the community event together.
(54:40):
And I'm just I'm just telling everybody right now, because
every time I talk to him, I get closer and
closer to his brother to understand that he's just a
younger version of me. Y'all, He's just a younger version
of me, and Lord have mercy. We gotta do something
about that. I gotta meet the younger version of me.
I'm calling my young twin, and let's make a difference.
Because you're special, brother, and I love you for that.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
Man, Man, I appreciate you. It's an honor and.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
A pleasure, just the one and only. Look Gray, thank
you for thank you for making time. Thank you for
giving me a little time out after five thirty. Look
crag five thirty to talk to me, man, But you
stay blessed brother, and we'll talk soon. Man, I'm very serious.
I owe you a visit to your building.
Speaker 4 (55:20):
Okay, all right, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
Talk to your son. Let's look Craye. Everybody an incredible guy.
Single I call your Power with Tasha Cobbs. And if
you want to hear a great song, listen to Blessing.
It's a really, really great song by Todd Dollars. Sign
came out in twenty seventeen. There's no controversy at all.
This is Rashan McDonald. I love you, I love everybody
who listened to my show, and I hope you guys
see the growth. Hope you guys understand this show is
(55:43):
about you. I'm just I'm coming from different angles and
try to reach all people by entrepreneurship, by motivating, by
playing your next dream. That's what we're doing. But more importantly,
thank you for listening to Money Making Conversation Masterclass. This
is Rashan McDonald. I'm out.
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There we go. Welcome, You heard him Rashaan McDonald. Like
what people say my name correctly? You know I always
tell people when you get my name right, thank you.
That means I've done something right in my life. Welcome
to money Making Conversation masterclass. I'm your host, Rashwan. Our
theme is there's no perfect time to start following your dreams.
A lot of people they sit around complaining about a
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lot of things. They get frustrated about a lot of things.
If you just start, and if you start with a plan,
it's going to be all good. Because see, I recognize
that we all have different definitions of success for you, baby,
decide for your pack, check up your paycheck. Mine is
inspiring you to accomplish your goals and live your very
best life. It's time to stop reading other people's success
stories and start living your own. People always talk about
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their purpose or gifts. I always talk about the gifts.
You hear people say gifts your gift. Leave with your gift,
and don't let your friends, family, or co worker stop
you from planning or living your dreams. So let's get
money making conversations started. I have a great show line
up tonight. I have two of my gospel friends on
the show today. The first part of the show be
led by Tasha Page Lockhart and the second half of
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the show my boy Lacrez joining. So let's get started.
I guess Hell's from Detroit, Michigan. That's my first guest,
multi time vocalist Tasha Page Lockhart. Tasha is the daughter
of award winning gospel singer Lisa Page Books of the
female group Witness Tasha Page two time Stellar Award winners.
To start, we TV's Growing in Gospel. It's the first
season and we will be talking about it because I've
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seen all the episodes. We will hear her life and
some of the personal struggles with addiction and mental health issues,
including depression and anxiety. We will discuss new projects that
she have coming up, because I want to know, I'm
pretty sure booking after I've seen this episode, these six episodes,
there's a book in her future. I'm just gonna I'm
not saying I'm some fortune teller, but there has to
be a book a Ouiji board. She's also active in
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her community, working to support mental health awareness and advocacy,
something we will be talking about today for sure. Please
work with the Money Making Conversations masterclass for the first time.
Tasha Page Lockhart, how you doing, my.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Friend, I'm doing well. How were you?
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Say? So?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
If you're up in the Detroit you big d up
there at De Truit.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Oh yeah, I'm in Detroita. I'm born and raised here.
Oh absolutely.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
You know I've met there many times. You know, I
was managing Steve Harvey used to go up there and
do concert dates and do live event dates up there.
Some very familiar with Chicago and how has been renovated,
you know, how the downtown made a big comeback and
all those things. Now what you being born and raised
there what is the state of Detroit right now? Detroit, Michigan.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
You know Detroit on the comeback. If you go to
look downtown, you'll see everything that they have been building
up the city downtown. It looks beautiful. It's amazing. And
it's not just you know how sometimes you know, the
other folks come and take over. That ain't the case
down here in Detroit. Such a mixed crowd.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (03:19):
You know Detroit, If I'm not mistaken, Detroit is about
eighty percent of African Americans. So there's no way you
could come to our city and not see you know,
they always talk about crime, and they try to talk
about how bad it is and all the negative things
in our city. But there are some very prominent business
owners and African American, wealthy black people in the city
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of Detroit that are doing their thing. If you go
on livanoid, you'll see in the garment district, the fashion
district there all of the businesses and stores and coffee
shops and all kinds of things. We have a lot
of business owners and entrepreneurs here in the city of Detroit,
and so I'm proud of the city and what they're doing.
They have been tearing down a lot of the abandoned
(04:03):
home right, just really building the city up. So yeah,
I'm very proud of my city.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Well, you know, it's really sad that stereotypes do tend
to lay itself on people of color, black people, brown people,
people want a stereotype because when you're stereotype, you know,
property value goes down, you know, the reason people want
to come. Tourism can go down. People can fear for
their lives, and that's been tragic to see that happen
(04:29):
to your city. But now it's making the comeback and
then you're part of you have to be extra proud
of that because I know for a fact, I was
fortunate to see the development of it coming around and
seeing the downtown and driving around seeing in Detroit, seeing
those abandoned buildings being torn down. So it's really a
proud moment for me to see they come back because
like you said, it is eighty percent black Detroit.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yes it is. Yeah, so I'm just about to be
from here. You know, whenever you tell somebody you're from Detroit,
they take great inside of you. That's period motown with
just being motor city. And then my grandfather was with Motown,
so he traveled with Barry Gordy. If you go to
a History of USA, you'll see my grandfather's picture on
the wall. He was in a group called the Monitors.
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So you know, my family has a long, rich history
in the music scene, not just in God.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So you had no choice. You had no choice but
to sing as long as God gave you the talent, Tasha,
you had no choice but to sing.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Right, absolutely, so, I'm proud to be from Detroit.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
You know, when I think about, you know, music, I
can't sing. You know, I got into the entertainment business,
Tasha as a stand up comedian. That's God gave me
that talent to be able to twitch words and make
people laugh real hard and got paid real well for it.
But to sing, that's a special talent. When did you
realize you had the ability to sing? And was there
an option to do R and B instead of gospel?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
You know, singing the most coveted talent and gift that
there is. Everybody always saying I wish I could sing.
If I could sing, I never shut up, you know,
people always say that when I realized I could sing,
I guess I would have to say I was in
elementary school. Actually, because a lot of people may not know,
but from the ages of seven to fourteen, I was
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doing jingles and voiceovers from Major.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Coprien, Biscuit, Bisquit, you know all that stuff. Biscuit.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, some some that you may have recognized, they didn't
know it was me. I'm about to give you two
of them real quick. You ready, America's best selling many bands,
Dodge Caravan, that was that was one of my That
was one of them. I know you heard that before
I hear another one I first, So you're nine anyway,
(06:44):
the best way to care that was me as well.
I mean I've done so many So that was.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Because you know, you're talking to brother can't sing, but
that's a jingle. How does I remember when I had
Jamie Foxx show back in ninety nine, we made a
his character become a jingle writer, a jingle singer, and
a commercial agency. How do you get Do you have
to come in there and rehearse to be a jingle
singer or how does that work? Or they just bring
the option to you and you just cut it and
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they just choose. How does that happen?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
So I'm gonna take you on the journey real quick.
This is how my life has always been set up.
And I know this is not a gospel show, but
because I am a lover of Jesus Christ, I just
add Him into everything that I do. So you know,
I you know, I'm not gonna ask for forgiveness, but
you know I'm just gonna be I'm gonna be throwing
out some gems and I gotta I gotta speak and
brag on how good God is because this is how
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my life has always been set up. I live by this,
and it's that every opportunity is an auditionip for something next.
So I was just a little girl that was always
in the studio when my parents would be working on
music right and so because I was in the right
place at the right time, they was like, oh, we
need a little girl to ConA do a christ A commercial.
So I went in the next rooman did the commercial.
(07:56):
When me and my mom, When me and my mom
the fear My Trailblazers Award Tribute to Mary Mary, I
was walking down the hall in my attorney at the time,
Attorney James Walker was coming down the hallway and he's
sent the casting director from Tyler Perry and he introduced us.
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The rest is history. I did twenty Cities with Medea
on the run. Every opportunity is an audition for something else.
So it's just you have to be where you're supposed
to be. And that's the thing. When you're where you're
supposed to be, it's almost like you it's you're unstoppable.
But whenever you get out of place, when you come
off of the past, when you're not doing what you're
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supposed to be doing, you're missing all of those moments
and you're missing all of those opportunities.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Well that's you know, that's important what you're saying, Tasha Page,
because see let me, let me break it down to everybody,
and it's about fear, because fear stopped a lot of people.
Like I said, you know, when you got every opportunity
you had, fear did not to did not succeed. It
ain't put doubt in you, it didn't make you question.
(09:04):
You just felt that God it placed you in the
right position and guess would you roll the strength of
your belief and you made it happen. Plus you have
the talent to do it as well. Correct.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Absolutely, you have to perfect your craft. You can't just
lean solely on Oh, the favor of God, or God's
gonna do it. God's gonna make a way. Yes he
doesn't make ways. Yes he will open doors. He will
put you on the minds of certain people. But when
you get there, when you walk through that door and
you stay in that phage, or you have to stand
behind that podium or get on those instruments, whatever it
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is that you do in your field, you have to
show up. That means your waiting period. When you're waiting,
that has to be your preparation. You have to make
sure that you master master your craft. So do your research, study, study, study, practice, practice, practice,
whatever it may be. Get your Do you get media
(09:58):
training so you can know how to have yourself in interviews,
know how to handle yourself on red curtains. Do everything
they need to do so you can say my part
is done. No, okay, God, come on, it's on you.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
You know, you know this is an entrepreneur show. And
when you said, rasheane, I'm gonna go there gospel, because
see what people understand is that I was talking to
Yolanda out at one time and she told me, she said,
reshine business and God get business in God the same conversation,
the same conversation, and I was trying to separate it.
I was trying to separate it. And when I hear
you talk, and that's why I'm just slowing you down.
Because every value that you every point that you just
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talked about, people should use in the every day for
their week job, everything that. As an entrepreneur, if you're
starting a business, you should know your craft. You should
be willing to put into work. You should master your craft.
Everything that you're saying, even if you're saying Rashan, look
I'm gonna go there. I'mna tell her, I'm gonna show
my faith. But faith is tied to effort. Faith is
tied to planning. And I just want to let everybody know,
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you know, what she's saying is replicated every day in life.
Whether you're a true believer of the faith or your
person who believes that don't understand how to marry the too,
it is the same. It's about effort, and that's about
a belief.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
And passion absolutely, And it's about risk taking. It's about
what risks are you willing to take? In business, in faith,
in relationships, partnering, partnering with other people, you don't know
these people. It's taking a risk in relationships, you don't
know the person. I don't care how long you date somebody,
you don't really know them until after you marry them.
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So it's all about risk taking. It's all about risk taking.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Well, you know, it's really interesting to tell I'm talking
to Tasha Page, like, I'm just tell you something. She
can talk now, you know, I get a lot of
people on my show, but you can talk. And that's
a good thing because of the fact that you know,
some people asking one question, it just they say yes,
and you go, okay, did they just say yes and
not add anymore to the yes? But see, you have
something to say and you're motivated to tell the truth.
(11:52):
And when you're talking about the truth, it's about overcoming
the odds. And you've had some ards you've had to
overcome in your life, but you don't let them win.
Some difficult moments that led you to depression and anxiety.
How were you able to come over those, overcome those
difficult moments in your past to have such a bright future.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Well, I wouldn't have ever been able to overcome any
type of difficult moments. If in want Number one wasn't
for God. And then you know, my upbringing, my family
brought me up in church, and then the track of
people that I have around me that hold me accountable,
that pour into me, that check on me, you know,
and then also just my want to. What I mean
by my want to is I do not care what
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I'm going through in my life, what I'm faced with,
what I'm dealing with, what I'm up against. I want
to make it. I want to win. I want to
be healthy. I want to see myself sowing and thriving.
And you gotta want it. You gotta want that yourself
more than you more than you want to be famous,
(12:52):
and more than you want to have titles and a
big name, and more than you want some material things
you got. It's always an inside job. And so because
I'm my biggest fan, because I want to be I
want to be well, and I want to be whole
and healed, first of all for myself, so I can
be the best representation for God and for myself and
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show up for myself and for my family and my
children and my eight month old granddaughter. Like I have
people that are depending on me, that are looking up
to me. Let alone I'm not even going getting into
the followers and the supporters and the people. Some of
the people I'll never meet, but they look to me
for wisdom. They look to me as an example, and
you know that's a big responsibility. So I have to
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say that's how I made it, putting God first, but
then also wanting it so bad that I was willing
to do the work to get it.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
And that's important. I'll tell you she can talk. But
guess what when we come back from this break now,
we're going to talk about the first season of we
TV's Grown in Gospel and they doing some things over that. No,
Fred Hammond daughter, You're about to learn some things about Fred.
Am about to learn a few more things about mcgirl,
Tasha and her maid in her life. You know, they
(14:05):
break it down, my boy, Jay Brooks, Elijah, Shana. I
know them all now because I watched the whole season. Now,
they haven't renewed it yet, but they put all that
stuff out in the public now, So I hope it
gets renewed because they put everything out there in the
first season. We'll be right back for Mcgirl, Tasha Page Lockhart.
Speaker 5 (14:28):
We'll be right back with more money making Conversations Masterclass
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Everything should not be taken personally. So I absolutely agree
with you. And if we don't have that understand and
if we're always taking things personally, we'll always be responding
to any and everything to where it'll take so much
energy it'll shift our focus off of what we really
should be focused on. And so I have had to
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Speaker 1 (15:39):
Welcome back to money making conversation. I'm talking to Tasha
Page Lockhart, incredible singer, going to sing. You know, it's
one of those things you do. You have an option,
you know, you know. She came out singing, singing jingles,
just walking down the hall being got on tour ordinate
with Medea. That's Tyler Perry Medea just walking down the hall.
Got that ready. Somebody tapped on the show. She read
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Gene jump back and go, oh my god. She said, when,
how and how come? All those things led to her
to understand that if you follow your belief, follow faith,
then great things can happen. That's what I preach on
this show, but she's given it a different spin on.
It's about effort, planning and goals. She is ready. She
wakes up in the morning prepare for success, and with success,
the opportunity comes her way. Tasha's ready. That's what I
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love about you. And when I was reading your bio
or reading your history and like before the show, I
called her because I wanted her to hear my voice.
I want to let her know what type of show
did I do? Because I never interviewed her before. Because
I wanted to come on with this type of energy,
so she could understand that this is a positive show
and your energy, Tasha is incredible. Is it always been
like this?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Oh yeah, this is who I am? You know, this
is this is who I am. And then going back
to what you were saying about, you know, struggles and
going through things. That's how my family knew that I
was going through because they were like, wait a minute,
you've changed. You know, I've always been bubbly. I've always
been very talkative. I'm a communicator. I love to talk.
I'm a people person, so I'm always making somebody laugh
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and you know, just fun to be around. And so
when life started license and my personality started to become
altered because of what I was dealing with, that's how
they knew something was going on.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Well, you know, it's really interesting. When I was watching
the show and you know, you know, I know Fred Hammond,
you know many times came on the Steve Harry Morning Show,
and then you you know my boy Kurt Franklin. You know,
it's so many names, and just read a minute of
inspiration with my girl care Shared and it's Londa Adams
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has just brought up her name. It's just so much.
I've walked that walk with so many people. They've shared
their stories with me that really make me realize how
how I'm able to communicate, and communicating with you is
such a key element to that. So when you're making
the decision to making these career moves, Tasha, what goes
to your mind because I'm about to go into this
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reality that you're doing on week? What made you go
into that direction and what prompted you to say this
is good for my career.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Well, you know a lot of people were saying that
don't do what Tasha is going to be career suicide.
You're in the gospel music industry, and you know reality
TV is so messy and this isn't and I have
to really stop and I prayed about it, and it
has with anything that I do, have to line up
with my purpose. I can't be money driven, I can't
be saying driven, I can't be any of those things.
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It has to line up with my purpose. And you know,
the Bible talks about confessing your thoughts one to another.
It also talks about the power of confession. You know,
they overcame by the word of their testimony and the
blood of the Lamb in Revelation and twelfth chapter. And
so this was an opportunity for me to be transparent
and show the truth about my life, where I was
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in my life at that time and now to see
where I am today. That is showing how God literally
turned my life around in less than a year. And
so it's just all made sense for me to be
able to do the show. I didn't. I was never scared.
I was never nervous of being black bater, canceled or
anything because I wasn't outing anybody and I wasn't dashing
anybody or talking down on anybody else. I didn't go
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on the show for a controversy or mess I went
on there to tell the truth about my life. And
the fact is, life within itself can be messy. So
I didn't have to contrive a story, make nothing up.
I didn't have to cust nobody out and throw no
drinks for nobody. Nothing.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
You did not, you did not it is and you
walked out of their lawyer's office. You know you was
in tears and lawyer didn't know what to do. I
thought that was an honest moment when you were talking
about your life and realizing that it was going in
this different direction when you was trying to get back
with your husband, trying to reconcile, you know, and then
when your friend came over, Nikki, I believe the road
manager came over. You're talking about what happened.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
One thing about these shows is that they always makes
me nervous. Tasha is Dad. You got your story, then
you bring all these other people in and they got
their story too. How does that reflect on you? Like,
for instance, Brea her story. Now, I don't know what producer.
I don't know why Brie had to tell everybody that
she was a stripper. Nobody didn't do that. Why Brie
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had to say that, I don't know. But these are
the type of things that can you can sell on
these shows. They work for the show, but they might
work for your career. And I'm not saying that was
a negative, but sometimes you have to understand that they
do have ramifications. Is that a correct word used in
that situation?
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Oh? Yeah? You know, everything comes with the consequence, whether
good or bad, right, and you have to consider those
things before you do it. And then sometimes you know
you're getting your feelings or it's you gotta be careful
because when you're sitting in a room with six of
your friends and people you've been knowing twenty plus years
or more, and you got a mic on you, sometimes
you're not thinking because you're like, Okay, I'm sitting here
with my BFF or this is my brother, this is
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we're just talking. So that's why it's tricky with reality
TV US. They cannot edit something you never said. But
if it comes out of your mouth and you don't
have creative controller, you're nothing as one of the producers,
then you can't control how they edit or they do
a facial expression, or they clip something up and make
it seem like you said something that you didn't. You know,
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it's really tricky and you have to use wisdom. You
gotta be cognizant of the fact that you know they
can make this look however they want to.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Right, So let me ask you this. So when you
with your husband trying to reconcile, right, trying to with
thoughts running through you through your mind, I got to
play it this way or was that an honest moment?
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Right?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I'm just asking you know, because because you know, things
can go sideways, like you said, whatever they capture on
fam whatever they capture on audio. You know, and this
relationship can go sideways when you walk into these scenes
and you know these are real scenes. You know that's
a man that you had a relationship, that was a
man you're trying to reconcile with Tasha. What goes in
your mind to protect who you are would also be
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as real as possible.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
In those moments, you're not thinking about protecting who you are.
You're just you're playing the moments out. It's you know,
you don't know what you're gonna say because there's no scripts.
It's real like if there's no scripts, you get you
get a time sheet in the morning. Sometimes you don't
even know where you're filming, so you get a time
sheet in the morning that says, this is what time
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you're filming, this is the location. Sometimes you don't even
know who you're filming with, you know. With that thing
with him and I, we knew we were filming that scene,
but we avoided a lot of conversations because we wanted
it to be real, we wanted it to be natural.
And then we had a conversation prior to that when
we said, okay, these are the things that are off
the limits We're not going to talk about ex spouses,
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we're not going to talk about children, We're now I'm
not going to bring up your church. It was just
certain things that we said, these will be off limits.
Let's keep the conversation focused on you and I. And
so those are some things that you have to do
when we out to be TV. But at the end
of the day, I felt like a lot was accomplished
because we were able to show like, yeah, we're believers,
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we're Christians, but we had our lives getting messy, we
make mistakes just like you. Such happened, and so I
was I was happy when I when I looked back
at it, I was a little nervous, But when at it,
I was like, you know, I'm proud of myself because
I did something that first of all, I'm a woman.
Number two, it's some men that wouldn't even go on
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national television and admit to having an affair. So it's like, I.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Wasn't gonna say that, I ain't putting all your business
down in the streets.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Now all your business it's already on it's already on TV. Listen.
I ain't got no shame in my game.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
It is what it is, you know, because y'all were
separated that when it happened, y'all was separated. Okay, let's
go and get the facts right there. Separated.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Okay, we were separated, and now I did think we
were getting a divorced at the time we ended up getting.
But still I have to be held accountable for my actions.
There's no e for that. You're not divorced until you're divorced.
And I will not suggest or advise any person that
is separated or going through a divorce to give their
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body to somebody else. You know, go through your healing process,
love on yourself, get hell, get whold, go through therapy,
do all of those things before you jump into another relationship,
because all you're doing is damaging yourself even more so.
You know, I know where I went wrong, and that
was a part of me coming on the show to
say I'm woman enough to admit when I've been wrong
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and to apologize and keep it moving.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Well, let me tell you something you're doing more than that.
You know you are so talented. I'm just gonna let
you know so talent, so gifted, You're such a great communicator.
What I know. We're wrapping up the interview here and
like I said, she called me wich, how long am
I talking? I can talk to you for an hour.
I swear to you that you know you are that
good of a storyteller, and you don't you know, I
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can tell when I'm talking to people when they they're there,
they're couching their words and I don't want to say
that you're just talking, and you're smart enough to say.
This is how I'm an honest person. So I have
nothing to hide. And so with the stories of the
information I share with you is really on it. And
that came across from the show. So I know that
they got to be a book coming up. Are you're
going to write a book about your life that you've
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experienced so far? What's the future for Tasha?
Speaker 3 (25:26):
So I have one book that I put out a
few years ago. It's called h and the Winner is
Tasha Pay's Black Her Uncut. You can find that on Amazon.
But I am working on my second book and it's
called it's a work book attached to it and it's
called it's simply called do the Work, which is the
process that I've been going through over the past two
years after being separated and then going through a second divorce,
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which has been very public. There's a lot of work
that has to be done. There's a lot of work
that should be done before marriage, there's a lot of
work that should be done during marriage and after if
you go through a divorce or in a separation you
or whatever the case may be. And not just in marriage,
but in life. There is work that needs to be done.
Nothing comes easy, but if you put in the work,
there is a great new ward that you will receive.
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And so that's what I want people to really grasp
the idea of you know, you can have all of
this vision and all of these ideas and say what
you want to do, but those things will not materialize
until you start putting in work.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Wow, Tasha, tell everybody about your handles, how they can
reach you all these good things. We wrap up this interview.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
You can reach me on Instagram at Tasha page Lockhart
on Twitter at Pasha Lockhart. You can go to my
website Tplministries dot com, where you can get new merch
There you can sign up for a one on one
life coaching, consultations or vocal training or artist development. You
can actually buy my book on the website all things Tasha.
You can book me from the website again, that's Tplministries
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dot com. Also, I'm going on tour. I'm excited. First
week in June, going on tour with a comedy and
his name is Travail Judd.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
You're going to be merging.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah, we're going on tour and we're going to be
merging comedy with music. And I'm excited to premiere new
music that's coming out in July and to sing some
of your Sunday best favorites. And you can get the
tickets now, go to this is Me Tour dot net.
This is Me Tour dot net and find your city there.
And we're adding more cities because we're going to be
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going all the way into August with the tour. So
I'm excited about that.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Cool. I want to thank you for coming to my show.
Appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I got to come back because I want to do
some more things with you this summer. If you have time,
please let me know, Okay, because you're fantastic, You're amazing, and.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Again, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Thank you for coming on Money Making Conversations master Class.
All right, Tasha Paige Lockart, Bye bye, my friend, well,
I told you it's going to be a spirited show.
I got my gospel's friends on the show coming up next.
He has to be my fourth time interview in this
young brother. We like friends. First time I interviewed him,
we'll actually first time I song was in Houston at
the Super Bowl event and I realized that guy's gifted.
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His name is La Crate. Be right back with more.
They call him a Christian rapper. I call him a
brother who's doing things and changing the world. The Crate
right back after this break with Shawn McDonald money Making comers.
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Speaker 1 (29:45):
I'm a man, Kurt Franklin, I know very well. This
is my next guess is one of the honest rappers
in the game. He's a Christian Rapper's name is La Crag.
He's recognized as the first artist to have an album
hit the charts at number one for both the Billboard
two hundred and the Gospel Charts simultaneous, a multi Grammary
Award winning platinum. All this New York Times bestselling author
interviewed him on that book, Tremendous, The Crazy workers, fueled
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by building bridges, changing narrative, empowering a different franchise, and
restoring the dignity of those who are lost. We were
discussing his gospel career, mental health in the black community,
which we don't talk about enough, his controversial collaboration with
Blessings with my man Tie Dollar sign cause I'm trying
to figure that out because I've heard it so many times,
trying to figure that out. His new single Your Power
(30:28):
with Tasha Cobbs was released in time for May Mental
health awareness mark to create dialogue around depression therapy and
talk about the pressure of being an ideal role model.
We have a lot to unpack. Please, welcome to the
Money Making Conversations Masterclass. Look, Craig, how you doing, My.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Brother, what's going on? It's all good man, all is well.
I can't complain. I'm grateful to be here, appreciate you
having me on.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
We know just about the fourth or fifth interview as
as saying a fourth and every time, I always go
back to when I first saw you and in Houston,
and there was a all those things church. It was
a think the Super Bowl Gospel celebration that was taping it,
and you came down that and I've never seen you
and all I can remember, and I would probably every
time I interviewed, I aways bringing up because you know,
(31:12):
when you see something and I'm just telling you look
crazy when you see something special, you have to keep
reminding people because you get hit all the time and
we kind of get wolled down and we kind of like,
I'm not saying you've lost focus, but you know, you
tend to like get sway from what you your purpose.
Your purpose is to impact people like me. I'm not
an everyday church goer. You know. I probably clothes I
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go to church with. When my wife she says grace
and I say amen, that's that's that's my regular going
to church, you know. And and when I do other church,
I understand the value of going to church when I'm
in that church. And you affected me, brother, with your talents,
with your gifts and every word. I hung on it
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and it still impacts me today when I when I
see you and I hear you talking to these interviews,
it's always not just you rapping, but you're about the
community and you're about uplift. Tell everybody about La Craze.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Yeah, well, you know, I can only be authentically me.
And you know, I wasn't raised in the church. That's
not my background, you know. So I wanted to create
tools and music and experiences for people like myself. You
know what was what would raise my eyebrows and helped
me realize that, you know, my faith is is bigger
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than four walls. My faith is bigger than uh, you know,
white gloves and hats, and so I really wanted to
create something for folks like that, and that's kind of
what has been driving me ever since. So I want
to be in different realms, you know. You you see
me in the prisons, the detention centers. You see me
on on the court side, you know, talking to my
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NBA players or my NFL players. You'll see me, you know,
mixing it up, you know, at different environments. But again,
I'm gonna be in the church as well, because I'm
trying to be well rounded.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
We know, it's really interesting. I always tell people that,
you know, when you meet somebody special, sometimes you don't
even know how to talk to him. The very first
time I interviewed the Cray was probably the most difficult
interview because I didn't really know how comfortable I could
be with him because he was you know, it's like,
you know, I'm a I'm a fan of hip hop,
I'm a fan of Godspel. It was the first time
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I interviewed a Christian rapper, a rapper of hip hop.
So so my whole conversation was like, okay, because you know,
because rap has that that the history of you know,
a tough violence. Uh, getting that bank, getting that bag,
you know women in video, that's what that That's what
when you say the word rapper, you say the word
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hip hop, that's what it entails. Do you fight that?
Speaker 4 (33:46):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Is that something that you did that when people when
you say you're a Christian rapper, that you have to
that you have to deal with As far as being stereotyped.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yeah, you know you dealt with it a lot early on,
but then you realize, you know, and let me just
the narrative. If people think, you know, all black people
are criminals, I'm not gonna walk around saying well, I'm
not black. You know, I'm gonna change your perspective. You know,
I'm gonna change your perspective of what a black person is.
And so when you come across me, uh, you know,
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you're gonna say, well what I thought that they were all, well, yeah,
you thought wrong, you know, and so, uh, you may
have some perceptions about what what what a rapper who's
a Christian looks like or a Christian rapper and how
they move and how they get down. Uh, but allow
me to reintroduce myself.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
And so so you know, I had ta page Lockhart
early on the earlier part of the show. And you know,
it's got like my church day to day, my gospel
day to day, because y'all have different styles, you know,
and which is really awesome. And you know she grew
up in the church. You know, her mom was a
church you know, so it was no options for you
for her to go in that direction. How did you
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get in this direction? First of all, I can understand
the hip hop game, but how did you get part
of it get played into the hip hop game with
you look great?
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Yeah? Well, you know I was always a free thinking individual.
You know. My mother was was raised in the church
and she was a face some abuse, you know, some
church her. So she didn't want me to experience that.
So she raised me to think freely to philosophy, you know, philosophy,
and I started just exploring different views and and and
I knew that I had purpose, you know. And so
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if you know you got purpose, that means, you know,
purposes must come from somewhere. You can't just be a
cosmic accident, just a product of a big bang and
you think you got purpose. So purpose had to be
given to me from somewhere. So I started just investigating
where that was and what that looked like. And so
I was on a college campus and decided to, uh,
you know, it was a young lady. It's always a
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young lady. Uh you know, you know, hey, but she, uh,
she invited me to a Bible study. I said, you know,
I let me go in and check it out. And
and you know, they blew my mind because they did.
They looked like me, they dressed like me, they talked
like me, and I did not expect that. And so
I hung around a little longer, and before long, you know,
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I met God in that group of people. And and
then it would turned into like, well, man, you know,
I can express myself through rap music amongst these folks.
So they were people just like me, right, and they
loved it.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Yeah, now now that's that's that's God.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
We went to the meeting. That's what I love talking
to you, and Kirk, I love talking to because you
just really kind of like talking at least say you know,
it's like woman that was a girl. You know, because
so many people in the in the church game don't
want to tell the truth. They don't want to tell
you that journey all the time, and the journey is
everyday life journey. Like you know, like Steve Harvey used
to always say, you know, uh, act like church people
(36:46):
don't have sex. They got some church kids from somewhere. Okay,
they came from somewhere. And now so let's go and
be honest. Now, when we were talking about you and
this whole part of the process. Now you you're around
the group of people. Now you wrapping the them. You're
breaking lyrics off. Now when did they When did somebody
come and go, brother, you got something here. You gotta
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you can step this up to the next level here,
you know, because we all know that that this this
industry is tied to money. Lookret and we know that
the direction you were going ain't the big money maker
in the hip hop game. You know, they you know,
they're not saying that you broke but you know what
a hip hop game. It's the number one streaming format
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in the world is hip hop music. And I've talked
to enough gospel artists to know what is a what
is what is a big seller in the gospel game.
Did that come into play? Did people tell you, man,
you need to take your skills over to the hip
hop side instead of the Christian side? What was What
was your people telling you and why did you stand
strong in the Christian rap side?
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Yeah? So I had some individuals, you know, I obviously
had uh, the producers and the DJs who said, hey,
I like what you're doing, and I think, you know,
you might want to try this on the mainstream side.
You know, that may be a better look for you, right.
But but there was a young man, you know, he
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was older than me at the time, and he was
into uh ironically, he was in the money management. He
was a financial advisor, and I really respected him because
I had never met, you know, a young black financial
advisor before. It was it was new to me, and
I really respected him. And he told me, he said, hey, man,
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you really have a talent, and you know, I think
God can use you if you really, you know, put
some structure around this and begin to build on it.
And so, man, that lit a fire on me because
he was somebody I respected. You know, he had this
stuff together. Because I was nervous, you know, I was like, Man,
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should I pursue this rap thing? I don't know, but
he gave me the encouragement to do it.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Well, you know, it's really interesting because the whole thing
that people need to understand it is that, you know,
I always tell people there's a forking roll and the anything.
You know, there are a lot of people in jail
because they took the wrong fork in the roll. We
all make these decisions, and whether you can walk that
decision back I don't know. But when you make the decision,
I always say, give a hundred percent. And that's what
you did. You gave a hundred percent when you start
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breaking through those walls and started realizing that you can
have a career out of this, because that's the next
step in. And I remember when I started doing stand
up comedy. I was just doing stand up comedy for fun,
look great, and then I realized, you know, some of
these people paying me a check to do this. Then
I realized, you know something, I on TV doing this
and I realized, you know something, people showing up to
see me tell jokes, I can make a career to this.
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But before that, it was a lot of it was
a lot of dollars. Look great, boy, you're gonna leave
IB be able to do what You better lead that
good job. You better lead that good job. You ain't
that funny. You ain't that funny? You know those dollars man.
And that's that's when I started wondering in the whole process.
That's when faith come in it. You know, your belief,
You know that you have to that you have to
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to lock in and otherwise what are you what are
you fighting? Because there's so many people can like jump
into your lane and say, like you said, DJ talking
about hey man, money over here, bag over here, over here? Yeah,
but money over here. You know, those type of people
are really dangerous because in the end, we all know
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we're gonna fall. Will they be there to help you
stand up? That's what you have to realize, am I right?
Speaker 4 (40:27):
That's right? You you nailed it. That's a big piece
of it. And you know, even my mother was a
little nervous, you know. And and because of the fact
that I had a nine to five, and I, you know,
was was getting a severance check. But like you said,
I started doing show after show and I knew, you know,
I had a budget, and I knew, Okay, let me
(40:48):
see how much is rent? Okay, this show pay for rent?
This could take care Okay, all right? And now you
know I planned it out a little bit and then
I made it. I made that leap of faith, like
you said.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
And this a powerful leaf, ladies. And Jen, you know,
I love bringing on individuals who you know because of
the fact that when I when I talked to little Crape,
because he's younger than me, I always I loved because
he's gonna walk in my shoes. He's gonna he gonna
make some mistakes I made, and he's gonna live through
those mistakes and he's gonna learn that he's a better
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man for it. I always tell people, in order to
be successful, you gotta make a mistake, because that way
you won't make that mistake tright. Nowf you make it
two or three times, you're not a successful person anymore.
But as you go through that path and that process,
the arrows and the slings that come at you. And
because the last time we talked about we talked about money.
The last time I interviewed him, he was doing a
web series called Protect the Bag, so that means that
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he understands money with all people were telling him, no, man,
you're taking the risk. No man, don't leave that job,
No man, go hip hop. Years later you been you
getting paid to talk about money and financial literacy.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
Wow, right, that's right, that's right, you nailed it. And again,
you know, that's why you got to stay on the
pathway that you believe you're supposed to be on, because,
like you said, those people who are doubting you, they're
not gonna pay your bills and they're not gonna be
there for you, you know, to celebrate the wins with you.
(42:20):
So you know, it's kind of like, hey man, you
at the end of the day, you gotta make a choice.
And it's what I tell a lot of my youngins.
I tell them, I say, hey, you know nothing, at
some point in time, you're gonna have to take a risk,
you know, make it a calculated risk, and make it worthwhile.
But don't put too much pressure on yourself, especially if
you're in your early mid twenties. You know, if you
can make a couple of mistakes at twenty two. If
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you make mistakes for three years at twenty two years old,
you're still gonna be in your twenties by the time.
You know, you realize what's going on, So you know,
keep trying.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
You know, that's so powerful, that's so powerful. When we
come back, I got to talk to you as a
pressure release to hit the wire. He called his PR
person and involved the song Your Power and involved Tasha Cobb.
When we come back and go talk about that, and
it was the funny story. I called Jackie Old, that's
his PR person. I said, I got to interview my
(43:13):
boy La Craye. She said he don't do nothing at
the five point thirty. I said, wow, I said, he asked.
She called me back the crill do your show. This
is my boy right here. This is my boy. That's
why he's on the show. If you're right back for
more from my man, La Craig, we'll.
Speaker 5 (43:35):
Be right back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass with
Rashawn McDonald.
Speaker 6 (43:42):
You are now tuned into the Money Making Conversations Minute
of Inspiration with Rashawn McDonald.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
This week, I sat down with Media Mobile, Hollywood executive
and philanthropist Nick Cannon. Although the former child star has
experienced a long career of success, when no signs of
slowing down. He explains why he's so pass about creating
opportunities for others.
Speaker 9 (44:03):
It's all about the community. For me, it's about giving
other people opportunities. It's about opening doors and sharing their knowledge,
wealth and wisdom that I've obtained with everyone else. I mean,
you know, obviously I'm still in school. Hopefully, you know,
I'll be able to you know, Hu Howard University. I
want to go all the way on getting my masters,
want to go to my doctorate and eventually be a
professor and teach the things that I've picked up along
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the way. But it's all about the community, whether it's teaching,
whether it's entertaining, whether it's investing into us.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
If you want to listen to this full interview with
Nick Cannon, it's available on Money Making Conversations dot com.
Speaker 5 (44:41):
Now let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rashaan McDonald.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Wow, I'm back on this. Rashwan McDonald speaking to Locrat.
He's recognized as the first artist to have an album
to hit the charts at number one in both Billboard
two hundred and the Gospel Charge. That's right. He's a
multi multi Grammar Warard winning the Artists New York Times
Bestselling art But it's a press release that I saw
that came across my wire talking about the song Your Power,
(45:08):
which is fantastic, by the way, I listened to it
several times and with Tasha Cobbs and was talking about
the church community, dealing with stereotypes, dealing with people expecting
certain things to be a certain way, and certain gospel
church people act a certain way. Can you break it
down and can in details. It's your show, it's your forum.
(45:28):
I just wanted to understand what's going on in the
world and why there was a need for you and
Tasha to get together.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
Yeah. Well, you know, Tasha and I are very vocal
about mental health. We both had struggles with mental health
that we wanted to be public about because black folks
don't talk about it as much as we need to.
And then, you know, some of the blowback that both
of us have received from you know, certain church folks
(45:58):
about our collaborations with Nicki Minaj and mine with Todd
Dollar Sign, you know, created some unnecessary tension and pressure
and you know, you don't realize that that stuff just
keeps piling up and piling up, and no public figure
deserves to be as celebrated or criticized as we are.
(46:18):
And so that stuff can tend to mess with your psyche.
And so we just decided to take control of that
and to take you know, our mental health back into
our own hands.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
It was really interesting now because I do it. I
do a lot of episodes on mental health and anxiety
and stress and depression. And on the show, my wife
was listening and I said to it, and I said,
on the show, I deal with depression, and she and
she and you do. Just this last week, she said,
I never know you dealt with any depression. And this
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is where this is the problem with the black community.
And you know, I've been with my wife since eighty
two and she's never heard me say depression or anything.
And she and she and I explained her. I said, well,
I just deal with it. I just I said, I'm
gonna tell you, I've been black all my life. I said,
(47:12):
when I get out the car, I still get nervous
of the police officers just say hello to me because
I have doubts. So I said, there's a natural lane
of stress that I'm gonna deal with. And I said,
and when you're an entertainment business, explain it. Depression is
part of that because there are no guarantees. And entertainment
business is the worst because you can be riding high,
(47:33):
walk in the room if somebody can tell you you're
not the one, and boy, that would not cure. You
don't know where to go to recover from that. And
so I said, it's something about entertainment. I said, when
you're doing a regular job, forty hour week job, that's different.
I said, when you're entertainment, your hides and loads can
be extreme. You can be you can walk off the
stage to a to a standing ovation and go to
(47:56):
the next city and they're not even looking They looking
like you that they've never seen you. Tell a joke,
a singal, a rap song. And I said, that is
what I dealt with all my life. And so and
also when you're dealing in a in a in a
lifestyle that so many people question your decisions, so many people,
(48:16):
you know, question what you do because you know what
you can say, this look crazy. I can't tell people
what I'm gonna do tomorrow. If somebody asked me, okay, Rishille,
what you're gonna do tomorrow. I know, I got a
lot of things I'm gonna do, but I can't tell you.
Like if you was a bank teller, you could tell
us what you're gonna do. If you drove trucks, you
can tell us what you're gonna do. If you are
a scientist, you can tell us we won't do. But
as an entrepreneur in the entertainment business, there's no lines
(48:41):
of description that you can say when I wake up,
this is my day, right or wrong?
Speaker 4 (48:45):
That's right, that's right. No, Yeah, I mean it fluctuates
from from day to day, and you know, you can
try to build in some kind of consistency, but at
the end of the day, you know, different things come
up and different things happening, so you got to make amends,
you got to you know, move accordingly, and so yeah,
that can create stress. And again, you know, we we
(49:06):
were taught not to talk about those types of things.
I mean, once upon a time we weren't even allowed
to talk about the right thing. They tapped in Martin
Luther King's phone so he couldn't tell better let anybody
know what he was going through and so you know,
that stuff just goes on and on down the line,
where today we know it's kind of like we got
so many things to deal with. We don't talk about
(49:26):
what's going on mentally and emotionally, and you know, it
hinders us from being healthy. So so music has been
a part of our healing regiment. And that's why I'm
grateful to be able to be a musician because I
can create some medicine for some folks. I mean, you
still might need to go to the doctor.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Right right, because because that's really the problem in our community,
because we I would tell people that in the first
of all, I don't jump hard on people who who
are slow in understanding that you need to go to
a doctor because of the fact that we know we're
the first hired, last five, you know, first first, last hire,
first fire. Okay, so we always I remember when I
(50:03):
looked crazy when I had cancer. You know, I didn't
even know if I could reveal that because it might
cost me my career, It might cost me a job.
People might look at my age and cancer and think
I'm not hiring that dude anymore. So as a person
of color, there's so many things that we have to
consider before we tell somebody I need help. It's so
(50:24):
many things we consider before we tell somebody that, and
it might come across as a sign of weakness of
people who you consider your friends might shy away from
you because they don't know how to deal with you.
And they might use the word, you know, the street word.
He crazy, He crazy, I don't know, he acting strange.
And so those are the things that before I jump
down there and go hey man, black people, they're the
(50:45):
words black people. They got mental problem. Theyn't want to
talk about it. People need to step back as a
black man. I'm just talking for myself now, this a
black woman. Brother. I've been dealing with a lot. I
know I've had jobs I should have gotten. You know,
there are better comedy writers out there that I were
better better there, and I should they got a development deal,
(51:05):
but they got it. I know that are comedy shows.
I should have been the headline and I was the
middle act. I know there are checks that should have
been bigger for me, but I didn't get it. All
those things I have to just as they say, suck
it up and move on. That is entertainment, and that
can lead you to depression.
Speaker 4 (51:23):
That's right, and you nailed the hammer on the head,
and we got to do a better job at navigating
those things and helping other people find freedom. And so that's,
you know, exactly what I aim to do. That's what
I make it my mission to do is to help
people find freedom. Whether that's music, whether that is you know, conversation,
whatever it is, that's what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (51:44):
What you know, the thing about it is that when
we talk to crazy, I'm not trying to depress anybody.
I have energy in my voice. And when I'm talking
to you have energy because we've we've had so many conversations.
When I when I had you on the show about
your book, You Can't Get Anymore inst in that book?
Was that became a New York Times bestseller? Well, we
talked that was a different conversation. We talked about, you know,
(52:07):
protect the bag. That was a different conversation. Now we're
talking about mental health. How can we get our black
community to start raising their hand? How can we help
them out?
Speaker 4 (52:16):
La Craig, Well, we you know, we got to follow
follow some of our leaders, Taraji p Henson, the Rock, uh,
you know, Michelle Williams, you know myself. You know, these
are weird individuals who are being vocal about this because
we're letting you know that you're not alone. And so
(52:37):
you what, what do you have to be ashamed of?
What can you lose? You know by being honest with
yourself about getting some healing. You know you I'm not
telling you to tell the world. I'm telling you to
tell your doctor. You know what I mean. And so
you know, what do you have to lose? You have
everything to gain. And I can tell you on this
side of Grammys and billboards and all these awards acolade
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that I'm better for it. No, you got nothing to
lose and everything in the game.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
Now the single Your Power? How did that come about?
Speaker 5 (53:09):
That?
Speaker 1 (53:09):
You deal with Tasha Cobb?
Speaker 4 (53:11):
So, so, Tasha heard some of my music and historically
and we talked about doing something together, and I thought, man,
that's gonna be an interesting mashup, you know, with you
being traditional gospel and me being rapped. But we found
the right music in the right you know, kind of
combination and it became something special.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (53:30):
And now.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Now I'm trying to get some some clarity on this
this this controversy with Blessings, did you deal with Todd
dollars side. That was twenty seventeen, right, yeah, man, twenty
sevent I'll tell you something. I'm telling because I do
this star back then because I loved it. Now I
went did he do a remix? Did he what? Because
I went before that, before the All day to day,
(53:54):
I've been going through Google. I've been going through all
the search engines trying to find why are they hanging
on this song? Why blessings?
Speaker 4 (54:05):
You know, I wish I knew. I wish I knew.
You know, they just keep trying to find. But that's
how that's how it is. You know, you must be
doing something right if people looking for something wrong with
what you got going on. So you know, just you know,
for me, I just keep pushing.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
We'm gonna tell you something.
Speaker 4 (54:19):
Brother.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
Listen to me. Man, you are one of my favorite
people of Creamy. And last time we talked, we talked,
I supposed to come by your building and you supposed
to come by my building. Now this time we gotta
make it happen. And then every time I talk to you, man,
we gotta do something together, man for the community event together.
(54:40):
And I'm just I'm just telling everybody right now, because
every time I talk to him, I get closer and
closer to his brother to understand that he's just a
younger version of me. Y'all, He's just a younger version
of me, and Lord have mercy. We gotta do something
about that. I gotta meet the younger version of me.
I'm calling my young twin, and let's make a difference.
Because you're special, brother, and I love you for that.
Speaker 4 (55:02):
Man, Man, I appreciate you. It's an honor and.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
A pleasure, just the one and only. Look Gray, thank
you for thank you for making time. Thank you for
giving me a little time out after five thirty. Look
crag five thirty to talk to me, man, But you
stay blessed brother, and we'll talk soon. Man, I'm very serious.
I owe you a visit to your building.
Speaker 4 (55:20):
Okay, all right, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
Talk to your son. Let's look Craye. Everybody an incredible guy.
Single I call your Power with Tasha Cobbs. And if
you want to hear a great song, listen to Blessing.
It's a really, really great song by Todd Dollars. Sign
came out in twenty seventeen. There's no controversy at all.
This is Rashan McDonald. I love you, I love everybody
who listened to my show, and I hope you guys
see the growth. Hope you guys understand this show is
(55:43):
about you. I'm just I'm coming from different angles and
try to reach all people by entrepreneurship, by motivating, by
playing your next dream. That's what we're doing. But more importantly,
thank you for listening to Money Making Conversation Masterclass. This
is Rashan McDonald. I'm out.
Speaker 5 (56:13):
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