I Make Films About Bigfoot - My Bigfoot Sighting Episode 176

Tonight’s guest, Greg Ogles, is a freelance filmmaker who got into Bigfooting in 2013 because he had become bored with fishing and hunting. Greg learned the ins and outs of Bigfooting from a very knowledgeable, veteran Sasquatch investigator named Paul Hulsey. After having a notable experience, the first time he went on a field investigation with Paul, the proverbial hook was set. Paul was addicted to investigating Sasquatch. On tonight’s show, not only will Greg share the details of some of his Sasquatch-related experiences, he’s also going to talk about the two Sasquatch films he’s produced as well. We hope you’ll tune in and listen to him do that. 

Below, you’ll find links to both of the Sasquatch films Greg produced…

Cryptic Expeditions: The Legend of the Downey Booger:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im2R6rNged4

Cryptic Expeditions: The Land Between the Lakes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scyGRaTJkeQ

If you’ve had a Bigfoot sighting and would like to be a guest, on the show, please go to https://MyBigfootSighting.com and let us know. We’d love to hear from you. 

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Show's theme song, "Banjo Music," courtesy Nathan Brumley 

I produce 4 other shows that are available on your favorite podcast app. If you haven't checked them out, here are links to all 4 channels on the Spreaker App...

Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio https://www.spreaker.com/show/bigfoot-eyewitness-radio_1 

Dogman Encounters…  https://www.spreaker.com/show/dogman-encounters-radio_2 

Dogman Tales…  https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/dogman-tales--6640134

My Paranormal Experience…  https://www.spreaker.com/show/my-paranormal-experience 

Thanks for listening!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, you there, thanks for tuning in.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
You're ready for another episode of my big Foot sighting?

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Right, then, let's do this.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Seeing a bunch of run down no whose towns with
the church at the backbone, laws and the bow and
the fasting melodies, coove in with the bomb man rose
with the roofs, run deep beyond the nose of the
busy streets, with the songs of the South of su

(00:32):
Then when I hear the promp porch picking down home
rhythm bringing out I Don't Run from benjam music.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yeah, my Bigfoot sightings are what led me to making
two films. My name is Greg Ogles. I'm a freelance
filmmaker and I got into bigfooting in twenty thirteen. I

(01:10):
need a diversion in my life. At that point, I
was getting tired of the same old run of the
mill hunting and fishing, and I just needed something more
in my life. When I was a kid, I had
a UFO experience and it was somewhat traumatizing, but at

(01:35):
the same time it had given me an enthusiasm into
the unknown, and as a result, I grew up watching
In Search of and Monster Quest and all of the
other TV shows about the unknown, and one day I

(01:57):
decided to just get up off the couch and joined
the hunt. When I first started bigfooting, I had joined
a Facebook group and got together with several friends and
one of my mentors. His name was Paul Holsey, and

(02:20):
he just recently passed away, God rest his soul, but
he was my mentor and actually showed me the ropes,
so to speak, and where and how to.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Go bigfooting.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
In my daytime job, I'm a traffic engineer and it
was part of my job in the year's past to
investigate very complex crashes. So what I would do is
go out and gather data and document things. And there's

(02:58):
several ways you can document. You can write things down,
you can use a voice recorder, and you can also
just use a video like I was doing. So I
was very used to documenting with a with a video
recorder and gathering pieces of a puzzle to solve a mystery.

(03:21):
It was no different than just say a crime investigator,
who's you know, trying to piece together a puzzle to
solve a crime. So I took some of those same
tools from my daytime job into the bigfoot arena. When

(03:46):
when I first started out on my very first outing.
It was a group outing, and it was in the
middle of the summer, and it was very, very humid.
Uh had just come a very large rainstorm and there
was still water on the trees. You could hear them dripping.

(04:11):
And we were just in a group out in the
middle of the woods, just talking and listening to our
mentor Paul, And as he was talking, I could hear
something coming through the brush or through the trees, you know,
sort of like when you brush up against a tree

(04:34):
that right after it's rained, and you could hear the
rain just fall down onto the ground the wh So
I heard this and thought, well, well, maybe maybe it's
a deer or something, you know, And I was really
looking forward to getting a glimpse at a deer or

(04:56):
the occasional bear, which we don't have a whole lot of,
but you know, I thought it might be something. And
to my surprise, everything got quiet. Everything got really really still,
very quiet, but you could still you could still hear

(05:18):
the water hit the ground as something was walking past
the trees and the brush. And I got the attention
of the person that was next to me, and I said, Hey,
did you hear that? And she said yes, and she said,
listen close. You can hear something kind of mumbling. So

(05:42):
I started listening much closer, and sure enough, you could
hear something something talking. There seemed to be like more
than one. They seemed to be talking back and forth.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
It was a.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Kind of sound is very difficult to explain and very
even more difficult to reproduce. So I'm sitting here listening
to that, and all the while, the rain drops from
the trees keep getting closer and closer to our group. Now,

(06:21):
the other lady and I we're the only ones in
the group that's hearing this, but we're trying to gather
the attention of everybody else. But Paul was still speaking,
and you know, he was real emphatic about speaking, so
it was really just left up to me and the
lady that was right next to him to figure out

(06:44):
what was going on. But as this thing is, whatever
it was, was getting closer, you could just feel the
tension in the air, and the air was real thick
and just silent, dead silent. And then all of a sudden,

(07:05):
and to our surprise, you heard crack. It was a
very large limb, probably the diameter of about four to
five inches. Something had broken that limb and it was
only about thirty or forty yards away from us, and
you're talking about jumping out of my skin. I was

(07:28):
completely taken aback at what had happened. So we immediately
just kind of, you know, gather ourselves together and what
was looking in the direction of the tree crack. And
I wanted to just run over there to see what

(07:50):
it was. But then I was thinking, well, you know,
what if it was a bear or something like that,
I would be you know, that would be stupid. And
I just didn't want to charge to my destruction, you know,
so kept my faculties about me, and eventually we did
meander over into the woods, you know, talking loudly and saying, hey, hey, hey, bear,

(08:17):
just go on. But we found the limb that was cracked.
Was like I said, it was only uh, you know,
thirty four yards away from us. And this there was
nothing wrong with it with this tree limb. It was
not rotten. It was the sap was still running in it.

(08:41):
Yeah me, it was just very very very much alive.
But the limb was about seven and a half.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Eight foot up.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
So whatever broke the limb, what was high up in
that tree or could reach way up in the tree.
So that from the get go really caught my attention
into bigfooting. Now I didn't see what that was, but

(09:13):
looking back on the situation, I had heard that talking
since then and I recognize it now. It was absolutely
like the samurai chatter. It was absolutely bigfoot talking back
and forth to each other. So what I think what
happened in that particular situation was that we were in

(09:39):
a particular area that they didn't want to send and
they were trying to intimidate us to make us move
on out of that area. Now, that particular event got
me hooked. The next event that I went out, I

(10:01):
had gathered a team together of my own. I was
sitting here thinking, Wow, you know that there's if it's
this easy to be around the bigfoot, I mean, there's
it's going to be very easy to solve this mystery.
I mean, you know it's just a wood ape, right,

(10:22):
you know, how smart can these things be? You know
they're going to get caught. So I was used to
documenting things, and I was used to presenting evidence, and
I was used to gathering evidence to solve a mystery.
So I just brought all of those tools into into

(10:42):
the big footing world. So I called UAB, the University
of Alabama and Birmingham. I called the theater department, and
I said, uh, hey, do you have anybody who would
be interested in making documentaries and their paranormal and nature

(11:03):
and you know, just I could use anybody, anybody with
any kind of training whatsoever, because I had nine zero zilch.
I didn't care if it was an editor. I didn't
care if it was somebody trained to be a producer,
or even an actress or a cameraman. I desperately needed

(11:27):
camera people. So UAB put me in touch with my
then camera guy. So we went out on our first outing.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
It was.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
In twenty fourteen and is in early twenty fourteen, maybe
it was late January early February. So everything was dead
as far as the foliage goes, and it was rather
cool generally, but on this particular day that we went out,

(12:07):
we wanted to go out scouting. But this particular day
it was it was mild and it was a good
day to get out. When we went out, there was
lots of birds, there were there was lots of activity
going on in the woods. The woods were alive.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
That day.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
However, when you got to certain areas in this forest
it's the Bankhead National Forest in northern Alabama. When you
get to certain areas in this forest, it's down rock creepy.
I can't put a finger on exactly what makes it

(12:53):
so creepy, but when you get into certain areas, it's
very very creepy. Particular day, we weren't in a creepy area.
It seemed very lively. You know, lots of birds in
the area. So we're walking around and just scouting out

(13:14):
to see if we could find any kind of signs
of bigfoot, the kind of anecdotal signs that we were
taught by Paul. We were looking for tree breaks, we
were looking for footprints, we were looking for any other
sign that would kind of tell us this would be

(13:35):
a good place to look for Bigfoot. So we came
across this pond in the woods. Now, this pond was
not very big. It was probably twenty yards in diameter.
It was almost a circular pond. So we're looking around

(13:56):
this pond and I'm throwing a little bit of crackers
out into the pond so that you can see the
brim come up and eat the little fishies. And we
walk around this pond, and all of a sudden, I'm
stunned again. From this little hill, this very small hill

(14:22):
that was right next to this pond, here come these footprints.
Now you could see the footprints on the ground up
near the hill, but they were still obscured somewhat by leaves. However,
these footprints came all the way down to the pond,

(14:44):
and they walked around the pond and then back up
another hill and then back off into the woods. Now
these footprints were the absolute largest footprints I had ever seen.
We sat and measured the footprints. They were sixteen inches long.

(15:05):
They were seven inches at the front of the foot wide,
and at the heel of the foot they were about
six inches wide. So whatever made these footprints had to
be absolutely enormous, And not to mention the depth that
the footprints were making. At the time, I was about

(15:28):
two hundred and fifty pounds, and I couldn't make a
I couldn't make a footprint anywhere near what this animal
had made. We started, you know, looking at some of
the footprints a little closer, you could see that there

(15:49):
was mud squished between the toes. You could see that
in a few places there were dermal ridges, and I thought, man,
there's going to be nothing to proven this book foot thing.
It's easy that there's nothing to it. I'm going to
solve it. Going to be a star.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Right.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Well, I didn't know how rare this type of evidence was,
so I got we started, we started our our recording
when we were recording that evidence, and I was sitting
there just describing these footprints made by some creature, and

(16:33):
I thought I had some of the best evidence ever
until I got home and reviewed the tape and I
was like, oh, nobody's going to use this. See this video,
nobody's going to see it. We're not going to use
it in any kind of film.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Right.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
I did not know anything about video presence or anything
like that. It was just awful, absolutely awful. But anyway,
these footprints, they were about five and a half feet
apart in stride, and the gate was very unusual from

(17:14):
what I had seen. Usually when I human steps, their
steps are almost not side by side, but they're not
straight in front of each other. They're kind of a
little waggle to them, you know, as you walk, you know,
walk down the beach and turn around and look and

(17:35):
you'll see what I'm talking about. But these footprints happened
to be one right in front of another, almost in
a straight bline, which was the weirdest thing. I tried
to copy it while I was there, and then, you know,
my hips just wouldn't let me walk that way, walk

(17:56):
that way much less, you know, keep that stride. And
you know, I was on cloud nine that day though.
I thought, Wow, you know, first day out, we're not
even an hour into the woods, and we found footprints.
So we did what we thought we documented, We thought

(18:20):
we documented well. However, man there was we were so green.
I don't even want to say how green we actually were,
because there was so much more I could have done. However,
later that same day, about a quarter mile away, we
were in a field and there was this game trail

(18:44):
that came into this field, and I noticed something that
was really strange. At about ten yards into the game trail,
I noticed this structure really looked like a bird's nest,
a giant bird's nest on its side right. So this

(19:08):
structure was so large I could fit into it right,
and it was right on side of the game trail,
and we looked at it from the opposite side and
whenever I got inside, you couldn't see me at all
from the game trail. So we were sitting here thinking,

(19:31):
oh my gosh, this is a hunting blind. Now we
don't know what made it, but it sure was looking
a bit conspicuous at this time. And when we walked
out from the game trail into the field, we noticed
again footprints. When we measure them, they measured to the

(19:55):
exact same dimensions that we had earlier that day, ten
inches long, seven inches wide at the top, six inches
wide at the bottom, but instead of being five and
a half feet apart, they were about eight and a
half to nine feet apart. So we're sitting here thinking, wow,

(20:16):
you know, this thing must have been chasing something or
moving a little bit quicker to have such a stride.
And one of the strangest things I noticed about about
this set of tracks was that they got about three

(20:37):
quarters and halfway to three quarters of the way across
the field and stopped. They just abruptly stopped. Now, the
density of the soul did not change. As a matter
of fact, the density of the soil they have actually

(21:01):
changed just a little bit on the squishier side, so
it didn't get harder at all. If anything, it got
a tabbit squishier because the as uh, the footprints were
going across the field, they were steadily getting a little

(21:22):
bit deeper each time. But the footprints stopping where they
did was just strange to us. I mean, it didn't
seem to there was like no reason for him to stop,
and it was in the middle of a field. There
was nothing for it to jump up into. Even if

(21:45):
we checked all the way in a straight line toward
where the footprints were going, and it didn't make a leap,
you know, so they just stopped, which was really weird.
We again documented some of that, and we moved on

(22:08):
and again, you know, my confidence is growing that I'm
going to solve this mystery lickety split. In six months,
I would have it solved right well anyway, now, again,
that is a fabulous evidence that we came across, and
it's unfortunate that I did not have the camera presence

(22:33):
or the experience to properly document what we had come across.
And to this day, I still keep kicking myself for
not being more prepared. However, it didn't end there. We
went This field was very large and we went way

(22:53):
back into the back of the field. When we got
closer to the to the woodline, the very back of
the field, there were these two bathouses that were a
top four before posts. Now, the bathouses were situated about
ten feet up in the air. There was an opening

(23:14):
down on the bottom where the bats leave the bath
house from the bottom. It's not like a bird house
that has an opening on the side. These bathouses have
the opening from the bottom. So we noticed on one

(23:35):
of these poles that there was some fingerprimts. Now, I
don't know if you if anybody has tried to reach
their hand around a four before, but it's a pretty
daunting task. To be able to do that, you have
to have really large chance. So there was these four

(23:57):
fingerprimts on one side, on one face, and you could
see from like the top knuckles, you could see the
top knuckles from the top knuckles to the tip of
the fingers, you could see that, and it looked like
it was bat guano or blood or something that made

(24:18):
the residue for the fingerprints. However, what made these prints
so unusual was that the thumb print was on the
same face of the pole, So something had reached its

(24:39):
hand all the way around a four by four post,
presumably to steady itself as it reached up into the
bath houses to get the bats. We surmised that they
were eating the bats there, so thought, gosh, what great

(25:02):
evidence right now. We did film this and the handprints
were about seven feet up in the air, so whatever
it was that made them was fairly tall. Well let
me say fairly, let me say extremely tall. And it

(25:25):
was just all inspiring to see these fingerprints. That was
what that was on this flour before posts. Now, one
other thing that was really odd about these fingerprints. If
you take your hand and you curl them up and

(25:45):
you bring your thumb to your fingers, your thumb naturally
goes between your index finger and your middle finger. Well,
where this thumb was was more down toward the pinky

(26:06):
and the ring finger. It more it looked like it
was more natur It looked like it was more naturally
in a different place than what our thumbs would be.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
And again, at first, in the first few years, it
really didn't dawn on me that the structure of this hand,
other than being very large, was much different than ours.
So these events it led to us making the legend

(26:49):
of the downy booger The legend of the Downy Booger
was a legend from the eighteen hundreds in Alabama, and
it chronicled the early side of a bigfoot, but back
then they didn't call them bigfoots. They called them wild
men and bookers. The first people that saw this and

(27:13):
reported it were the Downy Cousins. They were coming home
from a dance and they reported this tall, hairy wild
man appeared on the trail in front of them, out
from from the from a tree, and it's it really

(27:34):
disturbed the horses. That scared the horses. They didn't want
to go any further, so they had to find another
way around. The people didn't believe them, and it happened
again later to a moonshiner carrying his payload, and the
moonshiner shot the creature instead of running, and the creature
went into the woods, and he went.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
And told the sheriff.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
The sheriff gathered a posse together and they all legedly
tracked the creature and up until a cliff, and they
assumed it fell off the cliff to its demise. But
because the cousins were the Downey Cousins, that legend is
now called the Downy Booker, the legend of the Downy Booker,

(28:18):
so that is where it got its name from. And
we were inspired to keep that legend alive. And it
was extremely interesting that we had such a legend from
the eighteen hundreds here in Alabama. So we got our

(28:41):
film crew together and you know, bless our hearts, we
didn't know what we were doing at all. We didn't
know where, you know, how to start the film. We
didn't know how to how to finish the film. We
didn't know when we were finished with a film. So
there were several times we would go out and you know,

(29:04):
nothing happens. You know, you go out big footing, particularly
during the day, and nothing ever happens. However, it got
to a point where we would go out we could
hear something walking with us. When we would walk, it
would walk. When we stopped, it stopped. You know. It

(29:25):
was rather playful, you know, at that time, or at
least that's what we thought. There wasn't any noises made,
There wasn't anything thrown at that particular time until one
day we were coming back and of course this is
still in the daytime and not long after our first outing,

(29:50):
so it was still late February, early March. We were
coming out and we were sitting at our vehicles, and
while we were at our vehicles, we were just talking,
you know, just kind of cutting up, and we were
about to head home for the day, and we still
kept hearing something walk right off in the brush, you know,

(30:16):
just out of sight range, and you know, we thought
it could have been anything, you know, just any kind
of animal. So we didn't think too much of it
until we started getting in our cars. And when we
got in our cars, it was like something through the
biggest log I've ever seen, you know. This log was
probably eight feet long and at least over a foot

(30:41):
in diameter. It was a very large log, and.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
It just came.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
It was just hurled, not in our direction, but we
got a glimpse of it as it was hurled, and
we were able to go over and look at it,
which was probably pretty not the smartest thing in retrospect,
but we did go over there and look at it.

(31:10):
But this thing, probably the log itself probably weighed several
hundred pounds. I'm like, what in the world could throw
a log, you know, just and it didn't fall from
a tree.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
It landed.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Actually, it was a pine log, pine tree log, and
it landed where there was no pine trees in that
immediate vicinity, you know, so it didn't fall straight down,
is what I was trying to get at.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
So, I mean, this was just really weird.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
I'm like, okay, but whatever, I'm still tired.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
And I'm going to go home.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
And we finally noticed that there was a pattern there
for a while that whenever we started to leave, that
is when action would start, you know, And we figured
that they just didn't.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
Want us to leave.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
You know, they have a sense of humor, and they're curious.
They you know, they we were just you know, out
there oblivious to what all was going on and just
trying to make a film, and just you know, just
oblivious to the danger we could have been in, I guess.

(32:22):
So fast forward to us expanding our search for Bigfoot.
While we were in Bankhead, we got some of the
anecdotal evidence, but we still didn't get anything on film.
And I was wanting to solve this mystery, right I

(32:45):
was wanting to get something on film. So we go
over to Georgia and we're in a place that's near Carrollton, Georgia.
While we're out in the woods where we meet this.
We meet up with this large group of people who
are having a camp out and it's kind of like

(33:07):
a gathering of Bigfoot friends. So, you know, we were
welcomed into this ascount group and we made lots of friends,
and we were able to secure some interviews for our film,

(33:28):
and I thought that was fantastic. Particularly one of the
interviews that we got, it's absolutely fascinating. It's this guy
who had a Bigfoot encounter when he was a kid
and he was picking blackberries and accidentally reached in and

(33:49):
touched bigfoot for and he actually saw a saw the
bigfoot and it really traumatized him as a kid, and
even to this day, he's not not able to face
going out into the into the woods alone. So I

(34:10):
would say I had a traumatic effect on him. But
it was a fabulous interview and I was really honored
to meet his acquaintance and for him to allow me
to get such a story on film. We also made
other friends who gave us some pointers on arias to

(34:33):
go to to have Bigfoot experiences. Now, while we were there,
we started hearing some stories about things that I thought, frankly,
was just preposterous at the time, I thought, well, Bigfoot
still just some hairy ape, right, and you know, nothing

(34:56):
mysterious at all, and just good at hiding. However, when
I was over in Georgia, I started seeing some.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Things that.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Didn't fit the bill for normality. At first, I thought
it was just me, and I was kind of quiet
about it. I was like, okay, what am I seeing here?
What I was seeing was these balls of light floating
through the woods, and they would settle in about twenty

(35:35):
five thirty yards away from us and just sit there. Now,
these were not lightning bugs. They weren't anything that I
had ever seen before, and quite frankly, I had a
very difficult time coming to terms with it because what

(35:56):
I was seeing was just a ball of light. However,
when I would try to approach the balls of light,
they would do one of two things. They would either
move back, keep the relative distance between us the same,
or they would fade away. I was again perplexed a

(36:22):
my like, how does a ball of light know that
I'm moving toward it? Right? So these things were moving
with intelligence. There were either intelligently controlled or intelligent themselves.
And again it took me probably months to come to

(36:43):
terms with what I was seeing because every time we
would go to this place, we would see these orbs,
and I use the term orb as for lack of
another term. These orbs would be white with a blue
hue for the most part. There were some that were

(37:05):
green and some that were amber, so we did see
different colored orbs. Now, my camera guy he was not
able to see orbs at the same time when I was.
They would be right in front of us, I mean,

(37:27):
bright as a flashlight, and he still couldn't see them.
I don't know if it's that he didn't want to
see them, or he didn't want to admit that he
could see him. I don't know. I don't know what
the deal was, but he reported to me that he
couldn't see him. But I thought this was fascinating because

(37:49):
I was seeing something that was not supposed to exist,
and once I come to terms with it, I just
accepted it, and quite frankly, I grew to enjoy watching orbs.
I mean, they were fun. There was stellar. However, that

(38:10):
was not the only thing that we encountered that was weird.
One day, as we were more watching, an Indian on
a horse materialized in front of me and one of
my other camera people.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
Her name is.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Janice, and it was a full bodied apparition. Now this
was at night and it was very, very foggy. So
we're sitting here watching this and you know, it fully
formed in front of us. This Indian was wearing buckskin pants,
no shirt, and something in its hair sort of maybe

(38:54):
it was a feather, but that's what it resembled. But
the horse all the way across the field, got to
the tree line and disappeared. Now there was a full
moon full moon that night, so you know, you didn't
need a flashlight or anything to be able to see.
You could. You could see very well at night. So

(39:18):
I looked over at Janice and I said, did you
see And she finished the sentence for me, she said,
what an Indian on a horse? Yeah. So that was
my first experience with a ghost, and quite frankly, I
didn't believe in ghosts until I saw one. So that
was again you chalk that up over into the the

(39:41):
strange category. Some of the other strange that we started
to experience. One day, again, we were at the same place.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
In Georgia.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
And I had gone to the bathrooms and the bathhouses.
I was there taking a shower, However, Janice was back
at camp and she was getting things out of her truck,
getting her campsite ready, and she heard, hey Janice in

(40:15):
my voice. But she said it came from up under
the truck, up under her truck. And at first she
just kind of just, you know, laughed it off, like
I was playing a prank on her, you know. And
then she said, as she was standing right beside her truck,
something grabbed her ankle from up under the from up

(40:36):
under the truck, and it kind of spooped her a
little bit, and she kind of she got a little
bit perturbed and was was cussing at me a little bit,
you know, and I'm when I when I'm coming back,
you know, she was a little perturbed that. She says,
you know, why was I treucking, you know, trying to
prank her like that? And I'm like, Janice, I don't

(40:58):
know what you're talking about. I said, I was at
the bath house, and she was like, uh huh, I was.
You know, when we went on back and forth about
this for quite some time, I was like, Janice, look,
I got a towel, it's wet. I was at the
bath house. So finally I did convince her that it
wasn't me. However, I really didn't know whether or not

(41:19):
to believe her. Right, So, later on during that night,
I got up to go to the bathroom again, and
as soon as I unzipped my tent. Now this was
probably about two o'clock in the morning, So as soon
as I unzipped my tent, guess what I heard. I heard, Hey,

(41:39):
Janice in my voice and I was like, oh, you know,
I just made like a you know, an exclamation sound.
And uh, my buddy Brent, who was the other the
other camera guy, he was just happened to be up
and he said I heard that, and I was like,

(42:01):
she was right, and.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
He said that wasn't you.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
And I was like, no, that was not me.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
So we were like, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
You know, so that was something that was extremely weird
for both both of us, you know, hearing these disembodied
voices or mimics or whatever it was. I still to
this day don't know what it was. And that was
not the last time that it happened. I mean, that
phenomenon has been happening for quite some time. So I

(42:32):
still don't know what it is, but it's very strange
now we were getting very close to ending the film,
and I was getting very tired of, you know, in
this first film, and the year is now probably twenty seventeen,

(42:52):
late twenty sixteen, early twenty seventeen, and we decided to
go back out for one more night investigation. And we
had been using night vision to try to capture some
sort of image of Bigfoot. And we had used various
forms of night vision. We had used trail calms, we

(43:14):
had used handicams and anything else that could virtually see
in the dark. We had no luck, no luck at all,
and I was getting frustrated and I was like, there's
all this evidence all around us, and we can't get
anything on film. I want something on film. I don't

(43:36):
want to be one of these other filmmakers who just
presents bumping the night evidence and people going what was that,
you know, and then they never show anything. So I
proposed to our group, said, hey, you know, let's go
rent a really high end camera that has a real

(43:58):
high ISO and these cameras can virtually see in the dark.
It was a camera that had I think it was
four hundred and sixty thousand ISO, very high ISO. So
on another night we went again back to Georgia where
we had been seeing all these orbs, and right on

(44:22):
Q one of these orbs comes out and it was
a blue white or a white orb with a blue hue.
And really, as soon as we had gotten out into
the woods and kind of settled in, it appeared and
we're like, hey, you know, there it is, and it

(44:43):
probably maneuvered within forty fifty yards from us. And this
was kind of sitting there, was kind of far away
for an.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
ORB, so.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
That was a little bit odd. So all night we
had activity. And one of the things that was so
frustrating about that night was I was using a thermal
camera and almost all of my thermal footage it was corrupted.

(45:21):
I had what I thought was fantastic footage of something
kind of slinking down the hill, coming toward our position,
and it got to a log and pushed up on
the log, and then it just disappeared from thermal, just
vanished right before our eyes. And we're like, and I
was recording at the time, I'm like, yes, I got something, right, Yes,

(45:45):
I've got something. But little did I know in post
production that particular segment was corrupted and I got nothing.
But that was not the first time that happened to us.
All along we had been we'd been having issues with

(46:06):
battery drainage on cameras and file corruption and just all
sorts of equipment malfunctioning at the opportune times. Right, So,
even though I was used to these kind of problems,

(46:26):
it was still really frustrating to know that it happened
right then. Right Well, anyway, at the time, I was like, yes,
we still got we got thermal footage, and now we're
going to get this ORB footage. So we're filming these orbs,
and uh, there's other things going on around us that's

(46:51):
these anomalous sounds. However, there's a there's a storm approaching us,
and the winds really picked up and it became very
difficult to distinguish one sound from another because the wind

(47:11):
was just really chaotic. And with the storm coming in,
I just made the decision, Hey, let's knock off early
and go home. We've got video footage of an ORB
and I thought we had video footage, a thermal footage
of something that was kind of slinking down the hill. Well, again,

(47:34):
during post production, we're getting putting the film together. A
few weeks later, goes by and I get a call
from from Brent. He's also my editor. Brent calls me
up and he says, hey, hey, hey, we got something.
We got something. I'm like, yeah, you know, we got

(47:55):
orbs and got the thing on thermal. He says, no,
we explained to me about the thing on thermal, and
I was extremely disappointed. I'm like, well, what's the good news?

Speaker 3 (48:06):
He said, I can't explain it to you.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
I'm going to have to show it to you. So
we got together and we started looking over the evidence
and there was one particular time now that the camp
let me explain a little bit. The camera that we
were using was passive. It did not emit any kind
of light whatsoever. So it did not emit ir nor

(48:32):
any other nor white light or anything else. We were
just trying to use trying to mimic old school cameras
as much as possible in a modern way. So as
soon as we turned the cameras on, we'd hit the
record buttons, and you know, the cameras would start recording

(48:55):
almost instantaneously as they were turned on. So there was
one particular time we were getting footage of this ORB
and we catch something crawling between us and this orb. Now,
let me explain this crawler to you. If anybody has

(49:21):
ever seen a drawing or a rendering of a supposed
bigfoot crawling despite doing the spider crawl, I would say
that this is what this thing was doing. It was
doing the spider crawl. In the footage, you can see

(49:46):
where the head is, you can see the shoulders, the
shoulders or or bright white. The color the coloring of
this is in is in shades of red purple. But
it's not in color, you know, so to speak, because

(50:07):
it's at night and the cameras is only gathering what
light it can now, and I'm very surprised it caught
this at all. So the camera it sees something between
us and this order and it's crawling and you can
see its arms and you can see legs, and it's

(50:33):
absolutely enormous. I would venture to say that it's probably
three and a half to four feet across, like from
shoulder from shoulder to shoulder. Of course, it's very difficult
to get a height estimate because it was crawling, but
it was at least three and a half to four

(50:53):
feet across, and it was like it got caught on
camera and it didn't know what to do. You know,
it's like, have you ever seen a squirrel that's out
on the road and a car's coming and it gets
panicked and it doesn't know which way to go, and

(51:13):
you know, it's going back and forth, back and forth. Well,
that's what this thing is doing. It's like it's paniced,
it's going back and forth, back and forth, and the
camera is trying to focus in on it. Well, to
our surprise, the ORB in the background starts to go berserk.

(51:34):
It gets brighter and dimmer, brighter and dimmer, and just
absolutely just shows out. And the camera gives up focus
on the crawler and focuses in on the ORB because
it's in auto focus. And eventually the crawler does make

(51:55):
its way off off screen, and you know, we don't
see it again. But this was a moment of elation
for us because we actually caught something on camera. You know,

(52:17):
it was not so clear of an image that you
can say, oh, yep, that's the Bigfoot. However, you know,
these images that we're looking at is as good as
any flear image. So but what makes this so unique
was that not only did we have images of an

(52:38):
ORB on film, we got this thing crawling all in
the same frame. I was absolutely elated, and we got
that film together and we put it out and it's
received some very very good responses, you know, particular really

(53:00):
you know, we didn't exactly know what we were doing
when when we made the film, but we learned along
the way, and it was it was a huge learning curve.
But you know, now I'm you know, very uh seasoned filmmaker. Now,

(53:21):
so during the the editing process we had we had
another discussion about all the strange things that occurred while
we were out investigating. And some of the stuff, frankly,
was just out there, you know, the disembodied voices, missing
time and uh, the camera malfunctions, you know, all of

(53:45):
that just seems too convenient, and we didn't have direct
evidence of it, right, so I thought that it was
more just a story and nobody would really believe something
that was so outlandish, So I chose not to talk
about it or put anything in the film about that

(54:09):
weird stuff that was happening, except for some of the
camera malfunctions. Now, after the release of the Legend of
the Downy Boarder, it was still eating at me about
what some of this strange stuff was so I started

(54:31):
checking around to see if other people had experienced some
of the same things that we did, and sure enough,
I found this author's name is Trey Hudson, and he
wrote a book called The Metal Project, and I read
the book and it had some of the same.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Weird stuff that we had experienced.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
So I called him up and see if he would
be interested in participating in another film with me. He agreed,
and we went out to experience some of the weird
stuff that's at the Meadow. During the making of that film,
we had learned about the land between the lakes and
how odd an active that area is. So moving on

(55:22):
from the Meadow now that there's some strange things that
we saw at the Meadow, and I hate to kind
of gloss over them, but if I spend, you know,
too much detailed time in everything, then this episode would
be days long. But some of the things that we
experienced at the Meadow was again orbs. We saw ORBS.

(55:45):
I saw shadow people for the first time, and that
was really disturbing seeing shadow people because you know, again
it's something that you don't if you've never seen one,
and you don't know that they're supposed to exist it's

(56:05):
really it's another paradigm shift for you because you're seeing
something that's not supposed to exist, and that's what it
was for us. As a matter of fact, Brent saw
one and it spooked him out so bad he refuses
to go back to the meadow. He absolutely positively will

(56:26):
not go back there. And we've seen some strange stuff,
so that's saying a lot. However, moving to the land
between the Lakes, I contacted a few people who had
some of the best sightings there and one of them
was Martin Groves. So I got in touch with Martin

(56:46):
Groves and Adam Davies Davids, he's the Adam Davis. For
those don't know who Adam is, I would classify him
as a world explorer, an adventure He's been on shows
like Monster Quest and a host of other shows like
Expedition Unknown with with Josh Gates, and he went to

(57:09):
Nepal for the Search for Uh for the Yetti, and
he's been to Locke Nest and on the on the
Search for for Nassy, and he's been on a number
of shows.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
And I was.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Privileged enough to meet him at a conference and we
headed off real well and asked if he wanted to
be in in the film with me, and we're going
to the lamb between the lakes and he said sure.
So we're we're there the lamb between the lakes and
he's talking to Martin. He says to Martin, Martin Groves.
He says, Martin, can you put us on a place

(57:46):
where we were sure to have some to have some activity.
And Martin knew just the place. So again, I'm making
a film, you know, making a second film here. So
I've got a lot of gear in my truck. And
when you go out big footing, if you're doing it

(58:08):
for pleasure is one thing, but if you're doing it
for a film, it takes a long time just to
set things up because there's cameras to get ready, there's
microphones to wire up, and you know, there's a whole
plathora of equipment that you have to get ready in

(58:30):
order to make a decent film. So Martin tells us
about a place that is in the middle of the
land between the lakes, and we're driving there and it
literally takes us about about an hour to get there
at night. And you know, this is in March of
twenty twenty four, so it's actually cold there. It's very

(58:58):
cold at night. In this particular week, it was probably
in the twenties. So we go there, and after riding
about an hour, we come to this graveyard and we
pull over and stop and I go back to the
back of my truck and it's a Chevy Silverado and

(59:21):
the top of the cab is about six foot from
the top of the cab down to the ground. And
that'll be important here in just a minute. So I'm
in the back of the truck getting a camera gear
ready and equipment ready, and to hear this growl. I

(59:45):
can't really exactly reproduce the ground.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
It's a.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Sound, So I thought to myself, Okay, that's interesting, and
I just kept on doing what I was doing, you know,
because I've already heard and seeing a lot of weird
stuff at this time. So as I'm getting ready, the

(01:00:10):
thing growls again, and I'm like, hey, did you guys
hear that? And about the time that I said that,
it growled again, and apparently it's out my camera guy,
Brent or Brent, and he goes into terror mode. He's like,
oh my god, they're here. They're here.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
We got to get out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
We got to get out of here. So he's like
running back and forth, just panicking, being in a complete terror.
He's having a terror attack. So I grab him by
the back of the coat and I said, Brent, we're okay.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
He says, no, we're not.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
No, we're not. I'm not okay, you know what. And
I'm like, this is one we're here, buddy, and he's like, no,
we got to get out of here. And I've growl,
you know, knowing that this is something that needs to bearded,
you know, as he's panicking. You know, this thing is
still growling. It actually wrapped up, it's growling in between

(01:01:10):
his his you know, his panicking. But in his defense,
I will say this about the grounds, you could feel
them on the inside of you. Every time it growled,
your whole internal organs just vibrated, and it gives you

(01:01:35):
a sense of just panic terror. So that is very real.
Whatever it was, whatever happened. And now I don't think
I got hit as badly as Brent dead, but he
sure did get hit. So I've gotten him by the

(01:01:55):
back of the by the back of the coat, and
I'm reaching and grabbed the camera and I successfully start
up the camera and you can hear the wine of it,
the stee you know, the camera just winds up, you know,
and happened to look up and standing I'm at the

(01:02:17):
back right corner of my truck, standing at the driver's
side the left front of my truck is a big foot.
I can see from its lower part of its chest up.

(01:02:40):
I can only see the silhouette of it. I can't
make out its face because it's in the It's pitch black.
It's in the middle of the night, and I'm stunned.
I'm sitting there looking at it, is like, oh crap,
it's right there. And it seemed like it was forever

(01:03:05):
I'm sitting here looking at this thing. In reality, it
was probably one to two seconds before I got my
faculties back about me.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
And I successfully hit the record button, and I look.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Down to make sure that I'm in a night vision mode,
and I have to click it again to make sure
I'm in night vision mode. And the only way I
can really tell is by the display. So I look
into the display and it turns black and white. But
that happened to be one of the biggest mistakes you
can do at night, because if you're out at night

(01:03:49):
and you're looking to a bright light and you try
to look back up, your night vision is killed.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
It's just gone.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
So I realized the mistake that I did, and then
I realized that the only thing I can do is
try to document looking through the display screen. And at
the time I didn't think that I got anything on
video while they're at the truck. However, when we went

(01:04:20):
back and looked in post production, you can actually did
capture its eyes. Now, it's a short range night vision
camera meant for filming your subjects, and it was not
a long vision or long range night vision camera. That
we did have those, but I unfortunately did not pick

(01:04:43):
that up. I just got the first thing I could grab. Now,
Adam Davis says to me, he says, hey, puts the
camera over here on Brent.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
So train the camera over on Brent.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
And he was able to pick up the other one,
the other night vision camera, not the long range one,
but the other, uh, the other one meant for subject
for some filming subjects.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
But he can't hold the camera.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Study he's still shaking in fear, and we document, you know,
how he's shaking in fear, and you know, and again
this this bigfoot just keeps growling at us. Now, there
were four of us in this immediate area. There were

(01:05:34):
other people that were in a different area, in a
different area of the cemetery than us. Unbeknownst to us,
they were having their own experience. But us four, you know,
we were good sized guys, and this bigfoot was not
intimidated by us whatsoever. Now, Adam was in the British military.

(01:06:01):
While he was in the British military, it was his
job to hunt down war criminals and warlords. So he's
been in firefights and you know, just very precarious situations,
you know, at various times in his life. But he
has said that he has never been in a situation

(01:06:21):
like that. And he genuinely thought that we were not
going to be going.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
Home that day.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
So his military training kicks in. He wanted us to
kind of group together and not be too spread out, right,
So he wanted us to group together and push this
bigfoot back deeper into the woods. So we get together
in a small group and Brent gets his faculties about
him and he starts filming, and I'm filming, and every

(01:06:51):
time we take a step forward towards where this bigfoot
is or where we think it is. It growls and
it's like a war, you know. We take a step
forward at grouse kind of, we pull back a little
bit and then go forward a little bit more, and
it starts growling. And this goes on for like twenty

(01:07:12):
minutes or so, and about twenty minutes into it, something
starts throwing rocks the from another direction from my left.
Now this thing is still in front of us, and
as something is throwing rocks from our left, our security
guy who's former law enforcement, you know, really big guy

(01:07:36):
and has been in a lot of hairy situations. He
also bigfoot hunts and has been doing it for quite
some time. But he said this was the first time
he had ever drawn his weapon. He had his weapon
drawn and he was ready for whatever might happen, you know.

(01:07:59):
But from what I saw the bigfoot, I don't think
whatever kind of weapon that we had would it would
have done any good at all. So anyway, as there's
something throwing from the throwing some rocks or something from
from the left and the bigfoot that's that we had

(01:08:23):
moved successfully back into the woods, his eyes start glowing
and we catch it on camera, you know, Uh. And
it's not ice shine. A lot of people say it's
I shine, and sometimes I I say eye shine as well,
but this is a true glow. You could see them
with your with your naked eye, without any kind of

(01:08:46):
light or anything.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
And they were red or a red tone more maybe
more amber, but still in the red family.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
So this thing, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
I don't know what its intentions were. However, Adam immediately
once he found out that there was another one who
are off to our left, he immediately knew what this
tactic was. He said, they were flanking us, and he

(01:09:28):
got really concerned at that time because these things were
acting with extreme intelligence. It took planning to do that.
And not only did it take planning, I mean it
would have taken some sort of communication between them to

(01:09:51):
be able to do that. So that really confirms to
me that, you know, they do have a language, they
do talk to each other. Right on qu Right after,
you know, things kind of quieted down a little bit.
We got a few post interviews out of the cameras,
and then the batteries died. You know, it's right on queue.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
It's very par for the course, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
So there's nothing really else that we can do that night,
because our cameras that were supposed to have lasted all
night only lasted about twenty five minutes. So you know,
we're just kind of putting up gear. You know, we
didn't know what else we could do. So as everybody

(01:10:41):
else is putting up gear, I go out up in
front of the truck with my flashlight, thinking I could
maybe find some tracks. And the road was added a
lot of gravel on it and it didn't leave any tracks.
So I thought to myself, as like, I wonder if
it's still still around. So I let out this big growl,

(01:11:03):
this roar ras really really loud, right, and immediately I
got a response. He goes boom, boom, boom. It stomps, and.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
You could hear that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
I mean you could tell that it was a stomp
because you could hear like that, the the the underbrush
just kind of cracking along with it. But it was
really loud. And Brent was walking up as that was happening,
and you know, he heard me yell out to the

(01:11:38):
the growl, and he looked over me and says, hey, man,
it responded to you, And I'm like, yeah, I want
to do it again.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
So uh.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Again, let out this big growl and lo and behold
it responds again boom boom boom. But this time instead
of being you know, thirty forty yards off into the woods,
it's right at the edge of the trail, it's maybe
five yards in the woods. Brent looks over at me

(01:12:09):
and he says, stop doing that. And I'm like, from
what's I agree with you, Brent, because we weren't armed,
and I didn't know what I was saying to it,
but I was going to quit it immediately. So we
went back and finished up putting up gear and got
in our trucks and pulled out of there. Later during

(01:12:34):
that during that investigation, we went to a place where
Orbes just absolutely showed out for us. They were just
absolutely incredible. We were able to film them, and we
filmed them in color, and I couldn't have been happier
about that whole weekend to the Lamb between the Lakes.

(01:12:57):
It was such an exciting weekend where it's really more
of than ken is, more of a week But anyway,
that finished up our second film, and it's called Cryptic Expeditions.
The Land between the Lakes. Now it's chopped full of
evidence more than just that one encounter. So it's a

(01:13:22):
fantastic film. The light years better than our first one,
even though our first one is no slouch. It's pretty good.
But it seems like the more we do this, the
better we get at it. So it's called The Land
Between the Lakes and you can see it on Relicfilmsmedia
dot com or Channel twelve network. It's streaming there and

(01:13:45):
it'll soon be streaming on other places as well. But
it was only recently released in January of.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
Twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
With the completion of that film, that really excited me
about filming it for another film, but I wanted to
change directions a little bit. I got again, I got
together again with Adam Davies and he suggested that we
concentrate on missing people in the National Forest, and I'm like, wow,

(01:14:19):
you know that that would be a really good project.
So in good fashion, we picked a couple of people
that that went missing and has been a true mystery,
you know, ever since they're missing and their cases have
not been solved yet. So we picked on those two cases,

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not taking anything away from anybody else that's gone missing.
But you know, you have limited time in a film,
so you have to choose something, so we chose Mike
Kroon and Dennis Martin. Those two people went missing in
the near the CAD's Cove area of Tennessee and near Townsend, Tennessee.

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We have lots of theories about what happened, but in
true fashion as a bigfoot or you know, one of
the theories is going to be that they were taken
by a bigfoot. So I went to a place called
in a place called lj in Georgia. There I met

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these people that have a business called squatch Fishing, and
what they do is they take you out fishing. During
the daytime, they teach you how to fly fish, and
at night they'll take you out squatching. That sounded fabulous
to me. So since it's in the relative area of

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Townsend and where these other people went went missing, I figured, hey,
you know, are there any bigfoots in this area? So
we were there and he took us out investigating, and
sure enough we found footprints and again experienced orbs. That

(01:16:11):
seems to be a common theme. But during the making
of the Land between the Lakes, my camera guy, Brent,
he had he had had enough, he had seen enough,
and he wanted to bow out of this film, so
I had to give me another camera guy. So we're

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in a truck and with the owner of Squatch Fishing
and my new camera guy. He's sitting in the back
of the truck and Scott and I are Scott is
the owner of Scott Grangers, the owner of the Squatch Fishing.
So he and I are sitting up there talking and
we're going to a place to investigate in North Georgia.

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And it's not real late at night. It's probably nine
o'clock in October, so it's completely dark, but it's not
really really late. But we're sitting there talking, okay, and
something comes out into the road in front of us. Now,

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at first I thought it was a bear. I'll be honest,
I thought it was a bear at first. But it
was the biggest darn bear that would have ever existed.
I think it's again. This was probably about four feet
wide from what I was seeing. It was on all
fours and was crawling away from us. Now, the coloring

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of this thing was a dull black. It's almost as
if the hair was absorbing light. It was not shiny,
it was not It was very dull, and it is

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very different to look at now.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
It was within.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Headlight, so it wasn't very far away from us. It's
in headlight range. It crawled quickly, crawled across the road,
and I'm sitting here thinking why would it be on
all fours until it dawned on me that the grade

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of the hill on both sides of the road was
about seventy degrees. It was darn year straight up. So
when that thing got across the road, it actually went
up the road a little bit for about maybe ten
fifteen yards and then got to the other side of

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the road and then went up the embankment and was gone.
And so of course we immediately stopped. We were only
seconds behind it. We stopped, jumped out.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
Of the truck.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
We we fired up our camera gear and our fleers
and everything else. But by the time, by the time
they even started up, this thing was gone. It was
the fastest thing I have ever seen, very unnaturally fast.
So we started to concentrate on the evidence. We started

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looking around, and uh, we found where it crawled up
the hill, and we figured, if it was a bear,
you're going to see claw marks in the in the dirt. Well,
instead of finding claw marks, we found what could be
characterized as like finger marks. Imagine closing your hand, you know,

(01:20:01):
extending your hand out and closing your fingers at your
first first knuckles from your hand. I think that's actually
what they crawl on. I don't think they crawl on
like the palms in their hand. I think they crawl

(01:20:21):
more on essentially their fingers in their in their palm.
Uh So, when this thing went up the hill, it
looked like one finger had maybe arthritis or something, as
it dug a little bit deeper into the embankment than

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these other ones. The other ones was almost flat with
the embankment, so they didn't leave any kind of claw
marks or anything. It's just almost like a finger mark.
Like the middle finger couldn't close up all the way,
so it really looked like it had arthritis, you know.

(01:21:05):
That That's the way I would describe it. And but
it was consistent going all the way up, you know,
it consistently could not close that that that one finger
with the rest of them. However, we did find tracks
it did leave when it started to go up at
some point. It when it when it first went up

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the hill, it contorted its body in really a really
weird way, and you knew instantly that it was no
bear at that point. It's and it's very difficult to describe.
It would have been much better shown to to to

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than then explained. And I looked over at my camera
guy and I said, please tell me you got that
on film, as normally we would be during any type
of transit in the woods from one place to the next. Well,
I can blame this on me. I forgot to tell

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the new camera guy Jim to record during that session.
So again, you know, I take full responsibility for the
cameras not going. But it was surely an opportunity missed,
and it was a very good clear view of a bigfoot,

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particularly once it started going up the embankment on the
other side. Now I never did get a look at
its face. It didn't it didn't turn and look at us. However,
you could see its body clearly, and it just everything
was blacker than black. But again, it was a very
dull black, not shiny like you would see on a bear.

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Bear's coats are somewhat shiny, but you know, like I say,
this almost seemed.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
It absorbed light. That particular sighting.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
Just I was really really blessed to be able to
get that clear of view and looking it just happened
to be looking straight at it, and it was incredible.
I feel it's just enormously blessed that in twenty twenty
four I happened to see two with my own eyes.

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Had two encounters, one both at night. One I didn't
have any lights on it, but I could see its
outline and it was way too close.

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
For my comfort.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
And the other we were in a truck and I
could see it clearly with the headlights and the only
thing that I didn't get a good look was his face.

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
That's unfortunate.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
I've been wanting to see what one looks like in
the face for for quite some time, and I still
haven't had that opportunity yet. But I feel truly, truly
blessed to be able to have these encounters and to
be able to share these encounters with the rest of
the world. So this next film is called The Vanished

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and it centers around two missing people in the Smoky
Mountain National Park and it's really interesting, you know though.
There's lots of theories as to why they went missing,
and certainly Bigfoot is one of them. And with Bigfoot
being I know personally that there's bigfoot within an hour's

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drive of there, which would make it about seventy miles.
I'm certain that there would be bigfoot in the Smoky
Mountain National Forest because it's almost one continuous forest, and
I'm certainly that there's more than one there. So those
are mine counters. I hope you've enjoyed them, and it

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would greatly honor me if you gave our films a try. Well,
that's it for tonight show. If you've had a big
Foot siding and would like to be a guest, please
go to my Bigfoot Siding dot com and let us know.
Thanks for listening.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
Have a great night seeing a bunch of run down
no host towns where the church is the backbone, loves
and the bow and the fasting melodies.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
Coove in.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
That the bombman rose with the roofs run deep beyond
the nose of the busy streets with the songs of
the South of Su. Then I mean I hate the
prompo down home rhythm bringing out had On Run from
Banjong music. Yeah, the sound of a memory brings me

(01:26:12):
back to the bluegrass playing the Madadi jack.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
It's become man, it been through it, getting.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Through the tea on scrubs and Skaggs bucking name bears
through this Tennessee jams.

Speaker 4 (01:26:28):
There's no the way that I do it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
And I hit the flow boat picking down home rhythm,
bringing out how don't run from banjong music?

Speaker 5 (01:26:41):
Yeah, smon dollar backwards backwards and double tip faking in
the sword and the strumming look and tup stuff. There's
on the end of strumming health country boy living in
a bub boat picking rhythm, bringing us I don't from
from men.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
Music the city after trius me wid on the two
music cars rushing by with the beasts on the stios
to man.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
And I hear the brown bus.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
Picking down home to them, bringing out.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Paddle run from being of music.

Speaker 5 (01:27:32):
Yeah something going backwards backwards and double tum picking in
the sword and the strumming looking tucky star because of
the ad strumming. Now cout you boy living wan. I
hit a bum boat picking down rhythm, bringing us battle
front then smit delocack works backwards and double time picking

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and the soul and the trumming looking tucker start because
nothing had those trummen down because you're boy leaving.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
Then I get a bum ports pick and.

Speaker 5 (01:28:28):
Double the bad chicken pot, Swing, Mama's Best sweet tea,
kind of suns ble froble bendo music