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A a a a h. Allright, we are live, uh Missing

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the Mark Wrestling I almost said radio. Welcome, Welcome to the first episode
of Missing the Mark Wrestling. We'reback. My name is Jamie. I'll
be your host this week. I'vegot my good friend Steve O and Johnny
here to kick off episode both withme. Thanks for coming on, guys,
thanks for having us. For sure. What do you got behind you?
Man? These are that's Joe Burrow, the White Tigers or Spider Man.

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Okay, Triple H from d xO, Cyclops and Cosmo the Space
Talk. All right, you keepbreaking up. I'm not sure if it's
if it's us or you'll get this. We'll get this all worked out at
some point. You can hear us, okay, though, I hear you

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really good here, sound really good? All right? Yeah, so let's
talk about the the let's talk aboutthe premise of this, this whole thing.
So essentially, we're huge wrestling fans. Used to do a pro wrestling
podcast called Missing the Mark Wrestling Podcast. It was it was a lot of
fun, just couldn't keep up atthe time with life things like that.

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Moved on to Missing the Mark Radio, but ultimately missed missed pro wrestling here,
and obviously the highlight of of everythingseems to be video now, so
uh going to that. We're gonnado live video. We'll have the podcast
come out on Fridays. You canfind us Missing the Mark Wrestling on Facebook
and Instagram YouTube. Still working onthat will eventually be able to stream to

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multiple platforms. We're gonna start thisway for now though. I'm a Facebook
Live so I mean, honestly,for the most part, we're gonna talk
we right. Yeah, I don'tknow how much I can get into AW.
I've tried. Not really a hugedeteriorating audience right now. The a

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W. Yeah, it's it's justI just I can't get into it.
I can't follow it. I wasexcited about it once, Yeah, I
know, I used to. Iwent, I went to the Brody the
Brody Tribute show and it was man, it was really good, dude,
it was. It was good.They had a good thing going and some

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things to stick out. And Ijust want to bring it up real quick,
because you've got a lot of energy, big crowd, as big as
anything w's got at that venue atthat time, which was and I distinctly
remember I was at the Armed Andersonpromo where Arn Anderson told Cody, uh,
they pull up the block in asituation huge and pressure to what's going

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on today? Steve? I,I don't know if it's you this cut
or is it or it's us.We're having a hard time kind of hearing
you. So yeah, I willmaybe if I can, maybe I'll do
something here, give me one second, check my pod. This is a
great way to start the show.I just want to put that out there.

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I mean, having having live streaminternet issues right off the bat,
so it's it's probably me. Idon't know what are you doing, Steve?
You hear me better? Now?No, no, I would do
that. Now you're frozen with yourface in a weird position. Sorry,

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I'm adjusting on my hands. Imean, what are you gonna do?
Right, Steve? Can you heara little bit better? We're good,

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We'll figure it out. It's afirst show. I can't wait for this
to come on in the podcast sideof things and hear all the technical difficulties
that we're having, which I justedit that out. I would. Yeah,
probably a good idea, right,Steve? Are you are you ready
to kind of get right into thisor what Oh, yeah, I'll go,
I'll go all right. So let'suh, I got some notes.

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I don't know if you brought anynotes. You know, you know me,
Steve, I come prepared. Soyeah, you know, let's let's
start right off the bat like everythingit's going on, right, start from
the top of the car. We'vegot Cody. Is he going to finish
the story? Do you want himto finish the story? John? I
know you've got to probably want tosay about that. I think that he
has to finish the story. AndI think that he has to finish the

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story because where else do they gowith it? If Cody loses at WrestleMania
clean or due to shenanigans, He'sgonna lose the audience. He's gonna lose
faith in the audience. And there'salready been enough holes with this whole entering
of the rock, which could havebeen done as an audible sure, because
they were planning on Sampunk versus SethRollins, and they were planning on Cody

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versus Roman seampunk. Theere's his tricepsenters in the rock. There's enough uncertainty
and doubt to wonder is the rockin a churn on Roman is Roman got
a churn on the Rock. Theygot five six weeks until Mania to build
that up. But how they wentabout it with Cody saying I'm coming after

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your Roman, but I'm not comingafter you. At WrestleMania enters the Rock
and the live reaction from the crowdwas great, and then when the dust
settled, everyone was like, wait, you've been building this story for a
year, a year and a half. Really, why why are we getting
the Rock now? We don't wantthis? And then they had to pivot
and it could all just be partof the storyline. But usually ww has

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been pretty good about storytelling, andin my opinion, they definitely have some
holes in this story, but theyhave five, say weeks, and they've
built up enough good faith with theaudience to get them, in my opinion,
over those over those holes, orat least allow them to bridge that
gap. Yeah, I mean,that's that's the one thing that kind of
everybody's kind of wondering, right like, was this a pivot? Was this

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plan the whole time? Like Ithink that's what's really great about right now
in pre wrestling, especially in wDOE, Like we're getting storytelling, Like
it's we've never kind of seen.We haven't seen really since the Attitude there,
and I beg to even say thatthis is better than the Attitude are
Financially, it is better than theAttitude there. I mean, signing a
five billion dollar deal with Netflix,getting a forty percent revenue increase, switching

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Smack Down from Fox back over toUSA network. Yep, it is.
It's an exciting time to be awrestling fan. Attitude Air, I felt
it was pro wrestling was very muchpart of pop culture, and I feel
that it's very much a part ofpop culture now. You have the biggest
movie star in the world is comingback to work the biggest show of the
year, whether it's in a wrestlingor a non wrestling capacity. I think

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that they have a legitimate true babyfacesince John Sena with Cody Rhoades. I
think the argument can be made thatCody's even more of a babyface right now
than John Cena was. Because JohnCena you really split the crowd up.
Half the crowd was sharing, halfthe crowd's booing. No one's booming.
Cody Rhodes absolutely nobody. He isas over as over can be. I

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think he's as over as over canbe though, because Roman Reigns, in
my opinion, is the best heelthat they've had in a very long time.
One of the reasons that The Rockwas able to get over so much
in Stone Cold, you had VinceMcMahon as a heel, you had The
Rock as a heel. They weremaking Austin a even bigger baby face than
what he was, even though hewas a anti hero. He doesn't even

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show up a lot, but he'sso integral with the storyline that if they
say, hey, in three weeks, Roman's gonna come back and Grace is
with their presence, the ratings arethrough the roof, even if they have
to do it on Fox Sports oneon some random week that Roman's back,
he brings the audience with him andthe guy's gold. Yeah. And I
think, Steve, I mean,I know you're kind of a huge Cody

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fan at this point. How doyou think it builds to WrestleMania in the
sense that obviously, you know,we saw to Night Raw that the Bloodline
is kind of interjecting themselves kind ofeverywhere at this point, right, what
uh, what does Cody do tokind of quote unquote because he build an
army behind it. Let me.I want to go back to what Johnny

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said. You hear me, youhear me. Okay, yep, we
got you. O GA. Iwant to repeat this. Everything Johnny said
was spot on. He hit thenail on the head. You got Cody
is the babyface. It is thetime, and he was right. W
might be better than it's ever beenif they don't have him finish that story

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and I mean, win that beltat WrestleMania, and I don't want no
priest cash in or funny stuff onetwo three a win, They're gonna blow
it all away. I'm telling you. Last year at thirty nine, Jamie,
you and I disagreed. I thoughtCody should have won there. And
maybe I was a prisoner of themoment. Maybe I was, Maybe I

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was there, but you know what, I just my thought process was he
was insanely over at that point,crowd singing his song. I live for
stuff like that. And my trackrecord with we is they have some they
have fantastic moments, but when theyhave a long term storyline payoff in the

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past, it's blown up in theirface. Now I'm gonna give him full
credit. I'm gonna say it.I was wrong. This guy they built
wrong. I'm saying it second conditionally, conditionally, oh that they were able
to build this guy. They kepthim over through the year. No one
turned on them. Brock lesnar feude. Can we say his name? I

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guess we can say his na right, brock Lester feud. What brock Lester
Feud was good? Kept him over, love it all the way, and
they almost blew it with what hesaid with this Rock stuff. I know
Rock's a huge star, but youdon't have that long abuild, so they
gotta do it. Got it.As far as building up to the bloodline,

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I don't know what you do.Man. The thing is like,
who do you put with him?I mean you'll have some overlay with jay
Uso, who I'm assuming. Well, we'll face his brother in the City
of Brotherly Love, right, that'swhere that yeah, So I mean I'm
sure you'll have something there. SethRollins is on board. You you hear
all these rumors. Maybe night onethey'll do a tag match Seth and Cody

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versus The Rock and Roman. Idon't think it's a terrible idea. I
don't know if you want to seta pressing for people wrestling on Night one
to night too. I don't gettingthem injured going into night too. I
mean, John, you're gonna bethere to want to event, going to
night too, going at night too, first time going to wrestle. I'm
going cannot wait. So I've beenI've been thinking about stuff up tickets.

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I've looked. I've looked at it, so it's not that far. Then
I tell the price and I waslike, I'm it might cause me a
divorce. I don't know if I'mnot okay with that. That's the second
I had. I had I hada pre sell password. So at first
they put the tickets on sale andyou got to buy the package. You

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gotta get SmackDown n XT Night oneand two raw. After tickets were outrageous,
I'm like, no, I'm notgoing to do it. Then they
had individual tickets, so I wentright online during the pre sale just for
Night two. They they weren't bad. I mean, we're we're sitting in
section one twelve I think, andthe tickets were with with all the fees

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included, it was about two hundredand forty dollars a ticket, which I
think that's pretty much a going rateif you want to go to game now,
I think that's yeah, it's economy. Going back to what you said.
After Cody won the Rumble, Iwas again so into it and with
him pointing at Rome and saying,it's you you I want like, I

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was so into it. I waslooking at stuff up to get Night two
tickets like you, I couldn't affordthe whole thing, And then I was
I almost did. I thought tomyself, if they pulled that stunt with
the Rock, it would have disappointedme. And I'm telling you, just
Cody, who's a guy who's beenaround for a minute. I would rather
see him live and maybe I'm I'ma mark for him, but whatever over

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the biggest superstar maybe wrestling history.Second, he turned everyone on the rock.
He turned who else could turn therock? You? I tell you
what. Though, like I waswhen they started teasing the whole, you
know he might go after seth Rolinsthing. I bit, I bit a
little bit because I kind of wantedto see a I wanted to see that

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match because you know it's gonna beincredible again. But be like, I'm
so on the fence right because Ilove what Roman's doing right now, and
I kind of want to see AndI know Holgan your hero and all that,
but I kind of want to seehim surpass Hogan, Like I want
to see the record continue. Andthen I also would like to see this
And this is something I was gonnabring up a little later, but we

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can do it right now. I'dlove to see the bloodline get back together
in full and just die. Youcould throw Naya Jackson there if you want
to. You can bring to meSnooker back, Naomi jump In, you
know, with her ties into it. Now you've Scot Jacob Fatu is still
out there. Zilla Fatu is outthere. You haven't even brought Rakishi into

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this yet. Like, there's somuch I think they can do from that,
and Steve's making a face on that, but there's so much I think
you can do with that. Likeon the flip side of that too,
though, Man, I wish Dustincould come to w W again and like
help his brother out and the Rhodesfamily taking on the bloodline and kind of

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like that backup situation, Like Isaid, I mean seeing like you know,
Seth or something like that. Fineas a backup scenario, but man,
this is like a blood feud,right, It is a it is
a blood feud. I agree andI disagree. I think one of the
reasons Cody is so over is becausehe has that underdog overcoming adversity in his

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character. And if you have thismassive Samoan dynasty and he's like, oh,
you guys are in trouble now,let's bring out gold Dust, I'm
I'm not buying it. I'm justI'm just not buying that as any type
of any type of credit there.I love gold dust. I love to
see gold Dust going to the Hallof Fame one day. I think he
will go to the Hall of Fameone day, the WWE Hall of Fame.

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But if he came out as acameo and not a big supporting cast,
sure member of that story, Ithink it would go over huge and
would get a big pop. Wealso don't know where the evolution is right
now. In this Bloodline storyline,Roman came back from Answer and they still
booed him, and I think atthat point they realize he's never going to

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get over his baby face. Let'smake him a heel. And again,
just my opinion about it, Ithink that the statistics speak for themselves.
He's the most over heel that thatthey've had in a very long time.
I don't even think Triple H wasthis over as a heel when he was
at his peak heel. I mean, you're talking, this is going to

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be the fourth WrestleMania that he's defendedthe same title. It's it's it's unheard
of. I mean, it's it'sabsolutely unheard of. They wouldn't do that
unless he was knocking it out ofthe park. I also don't see anybody
necessarily calling for him to lose thetitle either because the stick I'm calling from
the title a lot. I thinklots of people are sick of it.

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They're ready for the chances I'm calling, and I'm calling for as much as
I want Porter to finish the story. And Steve, we learned this last
year and I don't know if youcan get away with a two years in
a row. But you know,with him losing it essentially in the way
he lost essentially made him a biggerbaby face and built him up to what
he is right now. Man,how extremely cool would it be to have

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the entire bloodline walk out of WrestleManiawith all the titles all of them,
Like how dominant and ridiculous and coolwould that kind of be? But you
know, do you want to takethe chance of having not having Cody finish
his story two years in a row? Like? Can he keep the momentum

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for three years? The case Idon't you kill him? Absolutely so?
If all right? So for allagreement, the Bloodline is not going to
dominate come out of that? Isthere shenanigans that are going to happen in
that main event? Is the Rockgonna eventually turn on? Because a couple
of things you notice on spackdown rightOne, the rest of the Bloodline was

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standing behind Roman, Rock was onhis own area. They all put up
the number one, the Rock putup an l I don't know if it
was just Rock not paying attention anddoing it, but you know one thing,
and I listened to Sam Roberts alot, and I don't know if
I want to admit that or not. But that's fine. Nothing they do,

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especially right now in the Triple Hera of creative everything is intentional.
Everything is thought out. Whether theyhad to pivot or not, We'll probably
never know, or at least wewon't know until Rock writes a book someday.
Right. I think it was apivot. I think. I think
it was too Yeah, but atthe same point, everything they do is

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intentional. So is that something wherethe Rock turns on him or does a
bloodline turn on the Rock or youknow, I part of me, if
if Cody's gonna finish the story,part of me wants him to finish a
clean no Shenanigans, no outside nonsense, none of that. And the other
part of me is like, well, you've got this whole bloodline interfering in

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everything, including you know, truehackettires match at this point, right,
So like, I don't you cando it? I think I think you
can do Shenanigans if you want,but you have to do it a certain
way. It can't be the reasonthat he wins, Like it can't be
like like Roman's winning and Seth justcomes in and stops himainst Cody wins,
like you can't do that, oror the Rock just turns on him in

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who wins? But I think youhave to have it be if the bloodline
starts it, but his friends comingback him up, like they say,
Jimmy comes in and Jay kicks himout of the room, that's fine.
If Solo comes in and Seth juststomps him. If if Roman's gonna do
something underhanded and the Rock grabs thechair for him to stop, you know
what I mean? That all isif it's not something that would disqualify him

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in a regular match, it's validbecause you're not, because it's just it's
you know, I don't think abloodline match can just end with no theatrics.
Everyone's had it so far, sothey wouldn't just stop. Possibly,
could you possibly see the Rock's interferencebeing not interfering again though you have you
have five to six weeks to seehow that's how it's all gonna play out.

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Yeah, they could position it asit was supposed to be the biggest
WrestleMania of all time with the Rockand Roman reigns and box office wise,
that's what would make sense. Butthey threw the story together while they were
ninety percent done with the story thatthey've been building for a very long time.
That's why the fans turned on it. Yeah, similar to see if
your comment when Cody Roads the lossof Ruman rains last year, they brought

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him back for the Royal Rumble.He entered at number thirty. He did
have a good story he cut goodpromos going into that WrestleMania, But to
me, when you have a titlerun at that time, that was two
and a half years, and you'regoing to have a guy come back from
an injury after starting a rival companythat's really just an alternative wrestling company,
then the Prodigal Sun returns. Yeah, let's not talk as a rival.

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Yeah, yeah, it's not arival, alternative alternative. Rusks Closer said
that you've had those in years,so you got to give him credit.
Yeah, it's give them, givethem their flowers for that. I think
I think I've made this count toyou, Jamie. I think it one
reason why Cody can be so credibleas a babyface is because he started that

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other company. So as US fanswho may be a little smart, we
can't all feel, oh, there, he's one hundred percent their guy,
Like John Cena and Roman were atone point, guy took a shot at
them and it was a pretty goodshot. And I think at the end
of the day, dude, likegoing back to your point of like,
I just don't see a reason tokeep Roman's title ring going, And you

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make good points and it sounds good, but I just think if we're subjected
to another six months a year,like we're impatient wrestling. I'm surprised I
got twelve hundred plus days out ofus. They've done a good job,
but that's you can't And on thesame time, if they did pivot from
Rock Roman to go back to Codyand Roman, you can't do that and

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not give us that payoff. RightSo now, so like now you've if
you just just do the what youmatch you wanted to, if you wanted
to keep it going, you knowyou've kind of made your bed. You
have to go. Now. Weknow we're gonna turn We turned it before
you did anything. We're gonna turnit. I'm turning on it. I'll
make social media accounts to attack them, burner accounts. I'm going, uh

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and I'm I'm I don't think I'mas into it as some people on that
internet. Dude just saying, so, I think you got to end it.
I mean, dude, if youwant to go back into the Bloodline
dominate, I've got two years ofa footage I can show you on Peacock
if you want to go, wecan watch together there It's happened. So
let's do it. Let's let's doit. That's my thought. I forgot

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where I was going. Where werewe talking about? Man, Yeah we
did talk about. But I alsothink the bloodline storyline peaked after Sammy zain
Kah. Like with Sammy Zay,you had the comedic element to it,
you also had a lot of drama. Jay was beefing with Sammy Roman almost
was like a mop boss character,and he played it really well. And

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then the way that they broke thatup with the bloodline civil war, that
was great television. It's just greattelevision. When they came out on SmackDown,
they were giving them twenty thirty minutesegments. Nobody was turning on the
TV, no one was changing thechannel. Everybody was super engaged into it
as soon as Jay went off.And now I feel like they're trying to

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have Jimmy do a little bit ofthat comedic approach where he's playing that that
goofball a little bit. And I'mreally looking forward to seeing Jimmy versus Jay
because I know that I know thatJay can cut it down the mic.
I want to see what Jimmy cando and really build up that storyline.
I don't know where Solo is goingto fall in there and with with Roman,
I agree, it's just it's runits course. Maybe one day they

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could have everybody turn on U,turn on Roman, turn Roman into a
baby face, and then have thebloodline come back together. I don't know
that that's that's fantasy booking. Idon't know if they're going to do that
a long time down the road.The fact that I would love I'm sure
you thought I would like. Iwant to pick up what you're coming off
of though the finish if I'm sorry, I was. I was just you

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know, again, going to reiteratethat Roman came back from cancer and was
Stow booed that that that that bigdog character was not entertaining. No,
and it just wasn't. And Iso friends with a lot of wrestling fans
and they still think that Roman reignsucks because of that big dog character.

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And my argument to that was,were you a ring Master fan or were
you stone cold Steve Austin fans?There two distinct characters. Were you a
Rocky Mayavia fan or were you therock fan? Two very very distinct characters.
Were you of the Sultan or wereyou the Rakishi? Yeah? And
also to go off what you're saying. I think you make a good point

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there. You're you're you're juxtaposing thecharacter w E or F wanted them to
be versus the character that made themfamous, and they they both of them
say it's stone cold on the rock. The character that got him over was
that with the volume turned up.And I think that's the same thing with
Roman. I think this is morewho he is. I don't think he's
that natural likable guy. I thinkhe is somewhat stand offish, maybe not

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to that guy. I think hedoesn't have quite that kissing Davy's personality,
you know. I think this ismore who he is. And I think
even that acknowledged me is probably him, you know, wanting those people who
boot him and didn't give him therespect. Hey acknowledge what I'm doing,
and he just turned up the volume. If he does go babyface, he's
just got to do a version ofthis that can get over. I think

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it's possible to go back to yourpoint, Johnny, with the bloodline running
its course. I think you makesome good points there. There's two things
that stick out to me that canmake this bloodline thing turn if they don't
kind of go a certain way.One of which is, like you said,
up until the Bloodline Civil War,when Jpin Roman, that was beautiful

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television. I jumped up out ofmy seat. When when Jpin Roman,
I was yelling at screaming, andI was at work. I have one
of those, right, I workedthat day. People thought of what was
going on. I was just excited. I was excited. But after that
when Jimmy turns on him again,kind of how do you go through all
that? And he just turns backon him, and I get it,
but it just felt like those guys, those brothers were in it together till

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the end, and now they're notit. It kind of was a little
eh. And then one thing Iworry about too. And we're talking about
Roman being this mob boss character,this larger than life character. We talked
about it a lot. I've seenpeople say that online. I can agree.
Does the rock being there and partof the group, does that diminish
him? He looks a little bitsmaller, a little bit less larger than

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life when the rock is there inthe vest with And I don't I don't
know if I I you know,I it shouldn't be built this guy up
for years. I almost think itwas an intentional thing because you think about
the Rock came back and right,it's kind of a cross between his you
know, his his personalities back then, right, and these this big flashy

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thing and he's doing the Rock thingand now he's in the Bloodline and he
got Roman over there in a hoodieand just all black and just kind of
just chilling. Right. That's whyI think there's that underlying tension. And
I think it's being done on purpose. I really do. And I we
talked about this a few minutes ago. It was, you know, it's

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it's made to make the Rock looklike the top guy. And I just
think there's a there's a subtle tensionthere that is intentional with that, and
Tim thanks for checking in. Timsays, this absolutely makes him seem less.
Yeah, I agree, like it'sbut it's but I think it's intentional,
I really really do. I alsothink that it could be part of

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the storyline where Cody told Roman,I'm coming after all of it, and
the only way that you're going tobeat Roman is you have to destroy the
Bloodline. You got to blow upthe Death Star. So do you think
Cody sent Rock into the Bloodline andthat's the story they're going to go.
It could be draw parallels to youfrom the inside out. Yeah, it

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could draw some parallels to WrestleMania atfourteen when Mike Tyson sides with DX.
Austin is so ridiculously over. WithoutMike Tyson being in Dx's corner, everyone
just assumed, Oh, Austin's gonnabeat the crap out of Sean Michael's and
Michaels is on his way out.Anyway, Now you add Mike Tyson into
the mix and you're like, well, it's Mike Tyson gonna turn on DX.

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How's this gonna happen? And thenit comes full throttle. Now you
have an entire faction brought into this. But again, you got five six
weeks of storytelling where you got towrap up. You're gonna have Jimmy feuding
with with Jay that that's tied up. What are you gonna do with Solo?
What are you gonna do with theRock? I think I think Solo

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is kind of just that silent He'sgonna be that silent assassin until he's not.
And his time is definitely coming forsure. And I want to pivot
slightly off of this because I meanwe could talk for hours. I feel
like on the Bloodline, we've alreadyyou know, spent half the show talking
about one storyline. Which is amazingthough, because that storyline seems to be
touching everything else, right, Andthat's something that you know, the Attitude

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are always got that, you know, Bravo because of you know, all
the raunchiness and all the you know, pop culture. Yeah, but I
think the biggest thing, I think, the biggest thing that made the Attitude
era something was everybody had a storyand a lot of those stories intertwined.

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And that's what we're getting again.That's you know, it's got your platritt
and all over it. But theway I want to pivot right now.
One storyline that was working really reallywell and seems to be taking a back
speat right now is the Judgment Day. Like they just don't seem as important.
You've got Rhea Ripley, who's absolutelydominating in the women's division, She's
being seen less and less with theJudgment Day. Like, I mean,

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yeah, the Judgment Day just putup of wins, but like have they
kind of taken a back seat becauseof how top heavy this is right now?
I love the Judgment Day, Yeah, I guess. I mean,
I mean there, you got.The story that they're doing right now is
fun. I mean, our truthis great, dude. Our truth is

(30:19):
like a first ballot Hall of Famer, no question to ask, dude.
It's almost like it's a Our truthis almost like a Judgment Day holdover.
Well, they're kind of spinning theirwheel right now until we get to the
next day. We're gonna we're gonathrow our truth in there and kind of
make it interesting. Well, ifthey wanted to, they could really do
something where like they think, they'vebeen stopping and starting with it. If

(30:42):
you want to keep going with this, this is something you want to take
to wrestlemana you could, you'd haveto have the Judgment Day really beat down
our Truth. I mean, notlike this half and half stuff where they
beat him up. The next dayhe's there with the live laugh love.
You know, they gotta go,they got to go. Uh, they
got to go really take him outand then you maybe have him in mid

(31:03):
his challenges for the tag team titlesat Mania. You know they're there there.
I think, look, man,the thing is is that they were
bigger over the summer because you know, they didn't they didn't have the rock
and Roman was more part time.So they did a big, huge thing
and stepped up and kind of carriedher off through the summer. Unfortunately,

(31:27):
like you said, well, it'sbeing so top heavy and only so much
TV, and you have Drew McIntyrestepped up huge and has now become the
top of he on raw, whichhe wasn't there. Yeah, they got
to fade back to Oh he he'she's hitting out of the park, dude.
The first guy to be Cody Rhoadessince Roman beat him and the only

(31:48):
guy I think, and he deservesit. I'm Cody. I'm Cody Krababy
number one, dude, I toyou should have won. I love that
one, number one for one.So a couple other things I wanted to
touch on too is and it byall means if you guys have stuff you
want to bring in, you know, hit me out. But a couple

(32:09):
of things that you know, thewomen's division, You know what, until
I really watched that Battle Royal recently, like I had almost forgotten how stacked
the women's division is right now,like top to bottom, and you look
like you're slightly on the disagreement.I disagree, do you Yeah? Okay,
well all right, hit me withthat first then, because I was

(32:30):
gonna say, like, is NayaJacks finally hitting what we what they all
expected of her? No? No, I think you still think she's a
I think I think Naya Jacks versusRia Ripley, is there a way to
do Hault versus Andre in a femalesetting in Ria's home country? And if
they're gonna make Ria babyface, thisis how they're going to do it,
because not a soul in that stadiumis going to be booing Ria Ripley.

(32:53):
I think Naya Jacks is an attraction. I don't think that she's the next
champion. I could run, theythey could pull a swerve. Who who
knows what's what's gonna happen. You'reright, I think she's the next champion.
I think I'll put I'll put twopaychecks every in that match. I'll

(33:15):
put a month's pay on it.Yeah. Ria should be winning that,
especially in her home country. Riais a legitimate just start in terms of
a top five in the entire company, She's in the top five. She
she has that type of drawing power, she's that charismatic she's really coming to
her own I agree that the Judgmentday, I think that they peaked over

(33:37):
the summertime, and I think theypeaked because you had Finn versus Seth Rollins,
and you had a you had areally good background story. Finn Baylor
got injured by Seth Rollins seven yearsprior to that, he's never been back
to that top of the mountain.And on top of Ben Baylor chasing Seth
Rollins for the championship, the numbertwo in their faction has a briefcase and

(34:02):
can can jump Seth Rollins and coverthe dead guy so that he can essentially
win win the championship. That wasan underrated storyline too, dude, Like
can you imagine if Finn won andDamien cash on him? There was always
that chance that was in the day. That was a huge part of it,
along with Dom just getting boot outof the building. And you had

(34:22):
a good point too about Ria beingRia being kind of this de facto baby
face office. I think that killsher momentum too, because you know,
the rest of the guys are stillbeing the dirty, dastardly heels and she's
not. So that kind of likemakes it like what are we doing here
right? I just want to interjectthat, but you go back to what
you were saying, brother, Yeah, no, uh, I agree with

(34:45):
that, and then everyone's assuming SethRollins is going to make it to WrestleMania.
I think one of the reasons SethRollins was for sure going to wrestle
at WrestleMania was he had a greatbackground story with seeing punk. Yeah,
now you remove seampunk from from theequation. No disrespect to Drew McIntyre.
I agree Drew McIntyre is doing agreat job of being a heel. I

(35:07):
still don't care, and I don'tcare because I've been watching Seth Rollins beat
Drew McIntyre for the last couple ofmonths along with Shinsky Nakamura, and I've
been watching Drew McIntyre flirt with goingfull out heel. Now he is full
out heel. If you want Perth, Australia to be the Judgment Day pay
per view, you have Rhea Ripleygo over against Naya Jacks and your Hulk

(35:29):
versus on Showdown in the Stadium,you have the Judgment Day, retain the
Tech Team titles and at the graceof Waller effect, when you have Finn
Bett. When you have Cody Rhoadesand Seth Rollins come out there, you
have the Judgment Day, stop everybody, and you have Damien Priest cash out,
give a let Dom and Finn tagup, and you continue to have

(35:52):
this friction with Damien Priest and RheaRipley is okay, whose group is this?
Because Rhea doesn't feel like a fullout? There are no leaders in
the judgment there's no leaders in theJudgment Day. But we've been wrestling fans
a long time. Uh, there'salways a leader in a faction, every
single one of them. So goback to let's go back to Ripley because

(36:15):
we started talking about the women's divisionand you said you don't necessarily agree with
how stacked I think it is,especially after seeing that that Battle Royal on
Raw. Who on the women's rosterright now do you think shows best against
Rea Ripley wrestling? I mean,we got to look at the chamber right
who's in the who's in the chamberright now? So I've got the notes

(36:36):
right here. We've got Becky,Becky Lynch, Bianca bell Air, Live,
Morgan, Tiffany Stratton, Naomi andRakaal Rodriguez. I mean, naturally,
everybody's gonna think rical, right,I mean to win that. Yeah,
I don't. You don't think so? Yeah, thank you. Yeah,

(36:59):
that's the money. Man. Ilove Becky Lynch. I just she
doesn't. She doesn't at least rightnow. Doesn't do it for me as
like a top in the women's division. I'm just saying, that's the match.
Yeah. None of those women headlineNight one or Night two, none
of No Raquel Rodriguez, she's notthere yet, but back again real possibly,

(37:21):
right, Like from a stature standpoint, who lives up to Rio Ripley
right now? Bonka and Becky Lynch? You think so? They're the only
ones I'm talking from like a physicalitystandpoint, It doesn't to me. It
doesn't matter from the physicality standpoint.You have your biggest pay per view of
the year. You have a lotof casual wrestling fans say, oh,
it's WrestleMania, I gotta watch it. You put no disrespect to Rakeuel Rodriguez.

(37:45):
She could be the next big star. She's not there yet. Uh,
no offense to Tiffany Stratton. Sheshe's just not there yet. They
shouldn't be there yet because they justhaven't gotten the exposure of the storylines.
Becky Lynch, Bianca bel Air,They've had significant story lines, significant matches,
and big moments. Those are theones I'm putting in a in a
big showdown. Maria Ripley was buildingto that last year with Charlotte Flair and

(38:08):
that Mania crowd. As much asthey love Charlotte, I've watched that match
back a hundred times. Real theythe crowd wanted Ria to go over that
they were owning at the mouth forthat moment to happen. In my opinion,
how a Tiffany Stratton and Chelsea GreenTex Yeah, you know, man,

(38:30):
you know, you know, youknow Timmy Stratton has the same birthday
as me. They first want toput it out, I think, but
I think the one thing to saywhen you're talking about who has the stature
to compete with Rhea, the statueyou're thinking about should not be the size
of the woman. The statue isthe star power dude. And Ria Ripley

(38:52):
in the past year before, backin twenty twenty one, the whole thing
about her, which she's just youknow, larger than life women, She's
physically imposing, and that was it. There was nothing else to her.
She's become such a fully fleshed outcharacter and superstar that it is now more
the personality thing and who's got thebigger personality the match, because the other

(39:13):
women in that chamber match don't stackup to her in that respect. They
don't jump off the screen like,none of them, including Becky. To
me said I'm going to go inthere and de throne. If you're pushing
the right way, you have to. She's a fuse move. But you
have to go back to the thethe man Becky Lynch, not the current

(39:35):
one, but the one that gotpopped in the mouth by Nya Jackson,
the blood gulling in her face.You go back to that character. If
you can sell it right, youcan do it. That's the match.
Yeah, I agree. I didn'tlike the big time Beck's character, So
Johnny, you don't think the women'sdivision stacked? And I just put down
some names as I was thinking aboutthis, I really do I think you're

(39:59):
I think you're right. I don'tthink Raquel's quite there. Yeah, but
she's a beast. It's only asshe stays healthy, right. I really
enjoyed Shana bas lern Is always starttogether. I think that's a mean tag
team any more personality do Yeah,Yeah, they don't need it. That's
not what they're about. They're abouteveryone. Everyone, everyone needs, everyone

(40:20):
needs a story. Chelsea Green isjust absolute money as far as I'm concerned.
Yeah, Chelsea Green is uh isdoing a great job. You could
plug around with anybody. But forme, she loses the believability that she
could have Throwneller, that she couldhave thrown Rhea. You want to put
her on a big win streak,Yeah, that's different. SHANEA. Baylor,
she was a monster and n xT. Yeah. I think that

(40:43):
they completely missed missed everything when theybrought her up. Say they missed the
mark. They missed the mark.Tim, see Tim, you get me?
Tim on the on the Facebook chimingin saying Becky is a snoozer.
I agree. I Becky has notprogressed as a character in the last two
to three years, and I justdon't see her as going over And I

(41:07):
just don't. But then who doyou used to going over? And then
no one could beat this girl woman, I don't. I don't think anybody
in that chamber should go over onRia Ripley. Now who comes out of
it again. I still would likeI think from a physicality standpoint, I
think you know Raquel Rodriguez to beawesome. But I think from an actual

(41:28):
match standpoint, maybe it is Bianca. Maybe Bianca from an athleticism and a
match standpoint, is gonna put onthe best man. I want to see
the best match again with Reea Ripley, but I think Ripley walks out of
Mania sold champion. I think it'smore intriguing to have Becky Lynch go back
to that boardline, baby face heelcharacter, that shade of gray, where

(41:52):
the stone when she was getting thecomparison to stone Cold, where it's like
he wasn't a bad guy. Hewasn't a good guy. He was just
stone cold. She wasn't a goodguy. She wasn't a bad guy.
She was the man. And Ifeel like Ria Ripley is at that point
right now where even though she's witha bead with a heel faction, yeah,
she doesn't feel like a heel.She's she's blending those lines. Let's

(42:15):
if you if you take real quick, if you take Becky and Ria and
you build the right and you canhave a possible night. One main event.
You could do it. I'm notsaying it should be, but you
could do it. You put anyoneelse with Ria. At best, you're
getting matched two or three on thecard. Yeah. Yeah, I would
rather see Ria versus Becky Night onemain event than seth Rollins Drew McIntyre seventeen,

(42:38):
where I know Drew McIntyre's going over. I'm just I'm not invested in
in that story because it was aclear pivot because seeing Punk got hurt.
So tell me who's over the team, because that's one of my points here.
We've got Drew, We've got orAshley, got Ellen and Knight,
Kevin, Ole, Up, Logan, Paul. Who I think is going
to go over? And who Iwant to go over? To totally separate

(43:00):
things. Well, all right,so what do you think is going to
go over? Let's let's start withthat both. You give me your opinions,
Steve, go ahead, think andwant is the same thing as Drew
and Drew? Mm hmm. Youwant Drew to go over? John,
Yeah, I would like Randy Ortonto go over because I don't think I

(43:21):
think the feud with Cody winning thechampionship is Cody Randy. You have a
huge background story, and right nowRandy Orton is a watered down version of
himself. Randy Orton is his bestwhen he's punting people in the head and
one of the greatest heels of alltime. So I would like to see
that where you have Seth and Randy. They do have some history there.

(43:45):
They'll have a good match, Sethgoes over and then Randy, you know
you have the draft coming up.It will not efibly come up after WrestleMania.
You can do something with that.See, I'm booking this slightly different
in the sense that I think whoeverwins this chamber is going to be champion
coming out of WrestleMania. And theonly reason I say that is with you

(44:05):
look at Seth's nee right now,like he has to get it fixed,
right. I don't think Seth comesout of Wressellmania champion. So if that's
the case, who is? Butif if Damian Priest doesn't cash in in
Perth, Australia, you have thenight after WrestleMania, which is very heavily
watched, I think you can catchYeah, maybe that's how you do it.

(44:28):
Maybe Seth Seth wins a match againstwhoever it is and then Damien cash
is in. Yeah, I thinkI think good booking comes down to good
possibilities, and that's what makes youwant to watch. Oh, is Damien
going to cash in tonight? IsRandy Orton gonna turn heel tonight? Is
Seth Rollin's gonna get written out ofthe story because he's got a bad back
and a bad knee and he's gottahe's been the work course right now that

(44:52):
we don't know. Yeah, Ilike that and the most unpredictable it's been
in years. It's the most quoteunquote must watch. Like I can't watch
a lot of this stuff live,but you better Dan believe I'm my lunch
break the next day. I'm watchingmy dr Bra you know, or or
SmackDown on a Saturday morning, oryou know, whatever it may be.

(45:14):
But yeah, it's unpredictable, sillyfor me, my heart. I'm a
huge Ko fan. I think hegives great hope to fat guys everywhere.
That's that's my thing. But youknow what, I think the obvious choice,
and maybe the obvious choice isn't what'sgonna happen is? I think it's
Drew. I think it's Drew.I think we get Drew and Seth and
then Damien cashes in, and thenyou're getting a Drew Damien because he screwed

(45:39):
him out of his title. SoI think that's that's definitely one way we
go. I agree with you.I think I think it's Drue McIntyre both
ways, and I guess I'll hitboth your guys, points to Johnny.
I like Randy Jordon. I couldsee it. I think it'd be a
good match, especially it's gonna bealmost ten years since Seth and Randy fi

(45:59):
at that one wrestlemning with the crazyRkos. That would be cool. But
you said yourself, this is awater down version of Randy Orton. You
only have a few weeks really tobuild him up. At the same time,
Drew McIntire, you mentioned, yeah, it was a pivot because Seampunk
went out, but the guy tookit and hit it out of the park.
I can't I can't blame Drew becausehe's fought Seth eight times and lost.

(46:22):
I can't blame his bad booking.Uh take him out of it.
You know, he had to absorbthat, and he's come back stronger and
now given a shot, he hasfound his voice. I think you reward
that you want to do right now, and I think I think this is
the This is the Drew McIntyre thatwe felt was possible when he was in
nxt uh the set when he cameback, this is this is him fully

(46:45):
realized, and this is him findinghis voice. I think you reward that
with the medium made event. Andme, frankly, I get the priest
part. I'm not a haul againstit, but in a way I kind
of am, because Drew has donemore to separate himself and jump out that
page the Damien priest has in alittle bit. Priests have had that money
of the brief briefcase for a while, and we even said to ourselves,

(47:06):
he peaked in the summertime, whereare you going? Now you're gonna I
think him having a briefcase is almostproblematic at this point because I don't see
a clear spot where he can evencash in. He might he's in the
danger of failed cash in alert.Now you know he's on note that's if
that's a thing. You know,they're warning warning he could be failed cash
in. I don't think, butI think whatever he does, because of

(47:30):
what's going on right now in theand the amount of talent, the amount
of storytelling. I think his hisreign is short no matter what happens.
I think it disappoints a lot ofpeople. Though. If you cash in
on if you cash in on Cody, you've you've killed two years the storylines.
Uh in one shot for a baddecision. If he wins the title,

(47:52):
he's going he's going to SmackDown.Yeah. On the other side,
I can see a cash in.I think you've got to build him up
longer. I think the guy Ithink you should. I think you should
can't win go to me. Ithink you should have the room with the
belt. Maybe not forever, butsomething. I don't think it's I definitely
don't think it's long for sure.You know what you could do, have
see him punk Maybe I know he'shurt, but have him do something to

(48:14):
cost him that belt, because that'sa that's gonna be that's gonna be a
rivalry coming back. That's good thathe's got the shirt and everything. So
there's a lot of stuff going on. But I just think this Drew McIntyre's
one. I think he's separate himsomething. It's got to go somewhere.
Seth's hurt see him Punk's out.The guy had to have his title run

(48:38):
during COVID. Give him his flowers, give him his moment. Can we
finally unite the tag team titles?Well, I'd like to add one more
comments to Drew versus Drew versus SethRownds at WrestleMania. The only way that
that intrigues me is if sem Punkis a special guest referee with that storyline.

(48:58):
He's got one arm that cant he'sbeen walking, He's been walking around
with the walking cast. Now youadd a layer of complexity to it.
Where seth Rollins was trash talk andseampunk seem Punk was trash talking him,
Drew McIntyre was the one that hurthim. You add seam Punk into the
storyline as a referee. To methat, Oh now I care. Now

(49:20):
I want to watch this cause,I mean, we talk about how much
money it is to go to WrestleMania. If they're going to main event night
one, and you know you paysignificant money for both nights, you pay
significant money for that package. AndI'm getting a match that some random raw
got nine weeks ago. I'm upsetas the consumer. I want something special,

(49:43):
especially at the biggest show. Yeah. So the only way that I
would get behind Seth Rollins versus DrewMcIntyre that would add enough mystery and intrigued
to it would be if seam Punkwas the referee. And I don't know
if that's out of the question ornot. Because seem Punk was there at
the press conference. The Philadelphia crowdwould eat it up. They would absolutely

(50:04):
love seeing Punk being involved as aspecial guest referee. It's just are they
gonna use him? You know what? The funny thing is, man,
I can't believe we're, like what, ten minutes away from finishing this thing
up, and we haven't even touchedon Gunther. We haven't touched on Bailey,
Like. There's just we haven't touchedon Logan Paul. Like, so,
I mean, coming out of thechamber, right, we can we
agree to l A. Knight andLogan Paul are not gonna win that match,

(50:25):
and they're gonna go face each otherWrestleMania. It's right. I don't
know where Kevin owens. I don'tknow where Kevin owens in WrestleMania. I
don't see a clear path. Thatis my concern. That was one of
the questions I had on that becauseI don't think he wins the chamber.
If he did, I'd love itbecause big KO fan. But what's his
path? Like? How does he? Is this a path to Gunther like?

(50:50):
Because Gumpters have an opponent yet there'sno path to an opponent yet,
right, Jay was supposed to bethat opponent. Right now he gets brought
back into the to the blood line. Uh yeah, I mean versus there.
You could do that too, Jonathanchecking in sante Elli and I need
to take the title from from LoganPaula Mania. I agree, that's that's

(51:14):
one hundred percent what I'm going tosee. I think it was that that
if they don't if they don't dothat, they're out of their mind.
That's that's all from that crowd.He needs a belt if you don't do
it, if you don't give himsomething to mania and the risk of killing
his everything on him. I agree, I agree, but I'm to your
point. I'm concerned about Ko.Yeah, where does he How do you

(51:34):
go from man eventing essentially two yearsin a row right to not even on
the cart? Well, look atSammy's Ain. A lot of people thought
Sammy's Ain was gonna find a wayinto the main event last year the WrestleMania
and then Sammy Zay and Kevin Owens. I don't to me that tag team
match was just as good of amain event as Cody and Roman was everything

(52:00):
into the weekend. YEP, it'sit. It's it's so hard because,
like you mentioned it, I didn'teven think of saying, you know what,
I think that's that's a testament toeverything that's going on right now.
They are so loaded with talents,so load of his storylines that we're taking
big names and forgetting that they theyneed a path and you can't. And

(52:20):
you got to think about this isChao's on SmackDown, So he's not going
to go for the IC title.I mean, I guess probably do Sammy.
You gotta get that right because Guntherreally I love the way they're building
gun the Like, is there anybodythat you think right now outside of the
main event picture that can stack upagainst Gunther? No? Is this gonna
be a bron breaker build up togun there? Because we forget he's on

(52:42):
wrong now right he signed he wasn't. It wasn't bron the guy they put
in to do Bronck leaser spot atthe spot at the mean, it seems
like it. The way he wasbooked, it felt like it a combination
of his uncle and his dad.Like I think he's I think he stays

(53:02):
healthy and keeps going, like Ithink he's got talent enough. And he
just won the tag team titles withBaron Corban. I love that duo too.
They're thinking about bringing that, thinkingabout bringing Corban back to the main
roster and having them tag team.I heard what do you want three three
knights to WrestleMania? That you want? It's you want three nights? You
want a Friday? This roster meritsit. But no, I don't think

(53:25):
I could do a three day marathonof WrestleMania. No, No, it'd
be great, but I don't thinkI could do it. My wife might
kill me too. So But butagain, they have five to six weeks
to get a storyline going, sothey could figure it out. I agree
with l A. Knight and LoganPaul. I want to see the promos
building up into that match more thanI want to see the match, and

(53:46):
I think the match will be great. But everybody talks about Logan Paul's athleticism.
He's a great heel. I thinkhe understands the psychology. L A.
Knight definitely understands the psychology, andl A. Knight, in my
opinion, is really at that pointwhere he needs that one big feud to
get him to where he needs tobe. Stone Cold had to feud with

(54:08):
Brett Hart in order to get himto where he needed to be. L
A. Knight hasn't had that yet. The feud that he had with Roman,
you knew that he wasn't going tobeat Roman in Saudi Arabia for the
championship. It was cool how theybuilt him up as a baby face getting
on scene involved getting him to gethim, help get him over. L

(54:30):
A. Knight's there and he's older. Also, I think the windows really
shortening on on l A. Night. You could have a Yeah, you
could have a really good couple ofyear around with LA Knight. You got
to start building it right now.Is comment on the Facebook and where we
got all this WWE talk while Dynamiteis on, I thought about that.

(54:52):
Yeah, I don't know if youmissed the beginning of the show. Here
we we all kind of exclaimed thatwe're not huge ae W fans and UH
fan dominate the conversation. I wantto do his best work. Yes,
I want a w to be successful. I don't think they're going to be
successful until they figure out the creativeprocess. And there clearly seems to be

(55:16):
a lack of leadership with Tony Kahan. Oh agreed. There's someone I saw
online today. It was actually IceCube Son. Osh Jackson made one of
the most salient points about aw you'llever hear. He's coming at as a
more casual fan obviously, and hesays they've got to do more than just
have these guys who you really don'tknow who they are, and as they're

(55:37):
walking out ex Caliber or whoever,they will read off, you know,
a few points about belts they've wonelsewhere. Uh, it doesn't do it.
I mean for the their their fanbase and the hardcore fans, those
dream matches are dream magics. Theythought about him, But for a lot
of us, who I'm sorry,I'm a I think I'm a big wrestling
fan, but I don't. Idon't really consume any New Japan or uh

(55:59):
stuff for mex I'm sorry it doesn'tjump to me. Yeah, and he
is a matchmaker, not a booker, and that's that's all what it comes
down to him until he gives upthe reins, like you said, to
somebody else who can creatively run that. Then I think Tony's basically somebody like

(56:20):
this. He's Tony's booking style isjust taking these his toys, sorry,
and playing with them. That's justTony Kahn's booking. Spider Man versus the
White Tigers Ord, let's go,dream match. You've been wanting it for
years. I don't hate it,but yeah, yeah, I agree,
we got uh. I'm really lookingforward to the a W pay per view.

(56:40):
I like all the AW pay perviews because things last match you have
somewhat of a storyline, even thoughthere's a lot of holes in the storyline,
but the matches are phenomenal. Ifyou do not watch a W and
you just buy the pay per view, you're gonna get your money's worth out
of the pay per view. Itwill be a good pay per view match
wise. The problem with it isthere there is absolutely zero storytelling. I

(57:04):
don't know who had this analogy,but they said, if you had a
movie that was all cgi with nostoryline, even though the action sequences could
have been amazing, you're gonna walkaway from it being what what I just
watched and to me that that's whatAW is. I think that it be
fixed. But the problem is youhave fan diehard fans like us that it

(57:28):
would take a lot to get meto watch a dog again. They're gonna
bring out Sasha Banks very soon whenthey're in Boston. I'll tune in for
that show. I hope that theystart some storylines that makes me want to
watch the following week. I thinkTony Storm is the best thing that they
have going on in a w becausethey're actually timer. I think Tim pointed
that out on the on the chata little bit ago, like there's there's

(57:51):
there's nothing better right now. Yeah, I agree, yeah, but but
unfortunately for for me with AW,it's it's gonna take a lot to get
that fan base back. And Idon't want to compare it to DNA,
but T and A used to beon Spike. They had a stack roster,
they had aj Styles, they hadSamoajo, they had guys in their
prime. Kert Angle, in myopinion, had better matches in TNA the

(58:13):
majority of his career in WWE.If you watch his feud with Samoa,
Joe and Jeff Jarrett great storytelling,but when TNA lost that audience, no
matter what they did, they couldn'tget that audience back, And in my
opinion, AW is running that riskright now unless they bring in a huge
name. Edge is not that hugename to me. I love Edge,

(58:34):
He's He's a Hall of Famer,one of the best deals ever. But
I think that they thought Edge wasgoing to make a bigger impact. And
the best work that Edge is doingthey're letting them work with Christian Cage and
this is the best Christian I've everseen, and I'll watched his entire career,
but it's not enough to get thecasual fan to invest in watching the
product every week. It breaks myheart that Edge has come and had a

(59:00):
solid feud with Christian and has nowreceded back into just being a guy.
That breaks my heart. Dude,I thought I would get more out of
the Edge. Adam copanh I'm sorry, and if you can't use the name
anymore, I was very excited tosee that I was invested. I was

(59:21):
watching AW and then it's just like, well, I mean, I just
after a while, I just Imean I watched it. I put it
on. If I'd have it onright now. If I wasn't talking to
you guys, I actually thought aboutputting my TV. I just forgot.
I was nervous to I was goingto work with my feet over here.
I like their shows. I likedseeing Stinging darwy Win, the tag titles.

(59:42):
I just again, it's just whas storylines and I'm investing in where
I feel like it's must watch TVthat I have to catch it. I'm
gonna miss something now, which Ididn't have for a while. When we
used to do this podcast back intwenty seventeen, they didn't always have that
now they do. AW has alot of good restled people I want to

(01:00:04):
see. Do I have to seethem this week? No, I'll probably
catch them next week. And theroster's so big you might not see the
people you want to see every week, which is not a problem. I
think wrestler should have time off.I don't think you should have to have
everyone every week, but you haveto. If you're gonna have a program
where not everyone's gonna be on everyshow, you have to do more to
make me invested. I'm more thanjust my favorites, more than just people

(01:00:25):
I grew up with and I wantto see. I have to. You
have to introduce to these people Ihaven't seen, who are having great matches,
who are very skilled. Maybe thepsychology is not all the way there
and it seems kind of rehearsed tome. Another problem. But if you
can do that, if you canmake me invest people I haven't seen before,
then you've got something. But ifyou can't get me invested in them,
there's a few they've done there.For Orange Cassidy, I'm investing in.

(01:00:47):
I'm Mark orange Cassidy. I likehim. I'm gonna I'm gonna point
this out and the we're gonna getwrapping up here pretty quickly. But so
I'm gonna I'm gonna say something reallycontroversial to end this thing. Ready.
I don't watch a e W becauseI don't want to see a high produced
indie show. What are indie showsbig matches? Right? Which is great?

(01:01:15):
Yeah, they don't need story.This is big time television. We
need story. Man, an hourhas fallen by I think we're gonna try
to keep this to an hour everyweek. Thank you both for joining me
this week. It was it wasa lot of fun, man. I
feel like we only scratch the surfaceof what we could have talked about at

(01:01:35):
this point. But yes, it'sgonna be a weekly thing. Steve O
Johnny, You're both welcome every anytime you can. Tim, thanks for
checking in. I'll try and doit every week. I'll do it much
Tim. We're gonna have you onfor sure. Jonathan, thanks for checking
in. And I agree with yourpoint on the was it l a knight?
H ll a knight pins logan?Paul Paul comes back in and call

(01:02:00):
a night and that sets up thatfeud. I think it's a great idea.
I love it. But yeah,so follow us on the Facebook page.
If you're not watching live on Facebook, do it now again. We'll
probably expand out at some point hereand also live stream on uh, you
know, YouTube and Instagram and allthat stuff too, but for now we're
kind of sticking with the Facebook feed. Certainly appreciate everybody listening. Again missing

(01:02:23):
Mark Wrestling on Facebook and Instagram.I think we're gonna turn this into a
podcast as well. It'll be onthe p K d K Productions podcast network.
Check that out. Check out someof their other shows on there,
like High on Paranormal. But yeah, this is this is a lot of
fun. Thank you guys for fordoing this. We've got some big time

(01:02:45):
people coming on that want to joinus on this thing as well. And
again, both of you, Ican't thank you enough for doing this.
Thanks for having Steve. Great tosee again, Buddy. Thank you this
this show. This show makes mesmile. I love every bit of it.
Thank you all for a while watchingfor those of you watching them live
though we've watched this later on again. Check us out, subscribe, tell

(01:03:05):
me everything or not, tell meeverything, Jesus, tell everybody about the
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