Addressing ALL the Nintendo Switch 2 Misinformation | Nontendo Podcast #136

Misinformation about Nintendo Switch 2 having $90 Games, Switch 2 Cartridges NOT having upgrade packs included, Games being LOCKED to a single account, GameCube Controller NOT working with other games and more. While there ARE a lot of correct negative news about the system, there's even more FALSE news. Let's try to break it down.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Misinformation Central Non Tender podcast featuring Yours truly. Wood Woodson
joined once again by blasting to the Maximus Maximilian. Yeah
I'm here. I just saw you, like fress, I was

(00:21):
afraid it was broken. Yeah, I'm joined by Max once again.
It is a gorgeously overcast day there. The sun is hiding,
just like our spirits, just like the hype for the switch.
We got a lot to talk about. Wow, that cut
out so abruptly. Sorry, No, you're fine, Just what you

(00:43):
know what? Around the time, I you know what? What
hit the intro? Let's do it. Let's hit that intro
if I can find the button.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:06):
So yeah, once again we have Max back. Thank you
so much for coming down all the way from Queens
the Queen's. I appreciate it. Kim is extremely, extremely pregnant.
Now I'll keep this very short because I know we're
all here for switch information. Had a hell of a morning.
She is so pregnant, like it could happen any day,

(01:26):
like we're getting the signs. I'm honestly, I'm anxious. The
last three yays, I've just been anxious because I feel
like I'm just we're packed and ready to go. That's
the time zone that we're in. And this morning we
woke up and Kim's hands had swollen up so much
that she couldn't get her rings off, and after much
struggle with dental floss and dishwashing liquid, we got all

(01:52):
but one off her wedding band. There was no shot
that was coming off, so right before Max got here,
we had to take her to the urgent and they
had to cut the ring off because it was getting
it was getting really tight. That's crazy. That's that's a
crazy morning you end. It was pretty uh, insane obviously
for Kim, but very pretty stressful. The last place you

(02:15):
want to go is urgent care right before you have
to go to the hospital at some point soon. Also,
it'll be funny. It won't be funny. It'll be funny
if next week we go live with the show again
and it still hasn't happened. It we're at the stage
where like we're getting early signs uh And apparently according
to Kim and her research, it means it could either
be tonight or it could be a month from now.

(02:37):
If the stream suddenly ends, you guys will know exactly
My phone is is glued to the table today and
I'm keeping a watchful eye on it. So yeah, that's
all of that. Let's dive in to all of this.
It's been a very stressful couple of weeks and I
don't I don't really know where to begin. We have

(02:58):
a whole dock with so much any things that I've pulled,
you guys have seen online, I'm sure there is so
much happening, and I'll say, off the rip, there are
a lot of conversations that are still completely valid and
they have been from the start. This is not running
defense on Nintendo. This is trying to get and cut
through a lot of the misinformation because what's happening right now,

(03:20):
I feel like is pretty clear is people are very
upset at the prices and Nintendo. What the terminology that
has been thrown around is greed, which is fair if
you feel that way, it is fair. And I immediately
day one day, ground one zero of that direct I
uploaded a video on my main channel talking about all

(03:41):
the price issues I had an issue with that I
think are issues, and I hope to see some of
those changed. But I think the insane not insane, but
I think the livid community of gamers are finding absolutely
anything to get upset about around Nintendo, and it's leading

(04:01):
to people like reading fine print of things and then
drawing their own correlations. I mean even Max walked in
today and was like, I heard that the game could
controller could only be used on the switch on Line app.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Which that would be crazy. I don't know why I
believe that that would that.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Was the case. So, I mean that was just one
and like we can pull up some things, but essentially
with that one, just to talk about that one, all
of these switch online controllers that come out, they have
the same terminology well find it, it's in here, but
essentially it reads this is to use with the switch
online app. So a lot of people took that as oh,

(04:40):
you can only use it with the switch on line app.
But these controllers that say that you can you can
use it on other things. I don't know how that works.
I think games might have to do like an update
to be like you can use it on this, right,
I don't think so. I think the buttons are one buttons,
just a one for one whatever it is. See this
is why it's a confusing whatever it is. It's the

(05:01):
same terminology on every box. Um, they're all sticking with
basic info and critiques. Yeah, well, I feel like so
someone will say something and then instantly every YouTuber will
make a video about it. And I've been trying really
hard to hold off on making any videos because I
made I made one about Zelder games, and in that one,

(05:26):
I had an arc in the video where I was like,
I think it's kind of nuts that they're charging you
ten dollars more for the Zelder Enhanced editions and then
locking all the extra content behind the app which you
have to subscribe to. And I was like, so we're
paying ten dollars more and the extra content is behind
another paywall, And I put out a whole video because
I just assumed that was the case, and then people

(05:48):
were like no, specifically, the Zelder notes app in the
Switch online app is free to use for everybody, and
I was like, Okay, well now now I've put out misinformation.
So I took video down immediately and I fixed it
all right, So we're gonna dive into a lot of that.
We're going to talk about a lot of that. The

(06:09):
people are also, Oh god, it's so there's so much.
There's so much. People are so angry online. I've been
dealing with people on Twitter anything anything somewhat nice I've
said about Nintendo, or somewhat understanding I've said, or anything
that came out of the switch to event that I
went to. People are having a hard time believing that

(06:30):
I was even a raffle winner. Like there are people
that are like, come on, Nintendo sent you. Nintendo sent
you and Bob to that open to the public day
where everybody else there was just a member of the public.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
You were sent to that. Why would you lie? Like,
what's the benefit of lying?

Speaker 1 (06:45):
The benefit the benefit of lying would be for me
to try and put out an image that I'm not
being my opinions not being swayed. Is me saying like, no,
my opinion's totally my own. Nintendo didn't send me to
that event, Okay, that would because what has come out
of all those influences going is they've pretty much all

(07:06):
said that this thing is cool, Like I Justine Casey,
nice stat Marcus Brownlee. They pretty much oh, like, yeah,
it's a nice piece of tech. It's a fun little
Nintendo console, right, But everybody is like, no, they must
be lying, which there's something happening here which is quite bizarre.
But totally understandable. The switch to is really nice. The

(07:29):
quality of it is really good. It's Nintendo. Everything they've
done is quality. Everything they make is quality. Even the WIU,
which bombed because it was a mess of a situation.
The actual console was quality. It just missed the mark.
You know. Everything they do is quality. And the screen
in person is fun. The screen in person is sick.

(07:52):
It's really nice, is clean, the HDR is popping. You're
getting colors out of that thing that I didn't see
on the lead. But there's obviously pros and cons to
not having an O lead, like the olead has better
blacks and better richness in the dark in the darker tones.
But all that aside that the actual console is nice.

(08:14):
But people are trying to find ways to trash the
console or say that the console is bad or that
it's crap, or that it could have been this, or
it could have been that, or the Steam Deck is
better because they're not happy with the price of like
Mario cut which I think we're just getting convoluted messages
and I don't think like trying to tell Nintendo, hey,
the console sucks when it doesn't is the right messaging.

(08:37):
It's if your opinion is it's expensive, then you say
I think it's expensive, and then you don't buy it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
I mean I think a lot of this might be
sort of just riding that snowball of like you know this,
you know they're trying to take our money. Oh now
this is only compatible with this situation. I just feel like,
I don't know, it's some sort of train.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah. And I think the other thing people you really
have to look out for. And I'm telling you this
as a creator. I'm telling you this as a creator
because I already fell into the trap and I'm trying
not to do it. Negativity cells online like over the
last ten years, specifically especially on Twitter, but with all
social medias and YouTube and articles and outlets and anything

(09:21):
trying to get your attention, negativity cells, whatever harsh headline
they can give, whatever negative spin they can put on
something that's gonna get the clicks and not the positive.
Cause someone could make one hundred videos talking about how
great this thing is, but that gets old pretty quickly
and people just really aren't that interested. What they want

(09:42):
to hear is why does it suck? Why am I
getting ripped off? What's happening now? And so YouTubers and
content creators and outlets, they're gonna put the most negative
spin on everything. They're going to try and find the
next negative thing, and you're gonna get sucked in, and
you're gonna either believe it I be real, or you're
gonna believe a twisted version of it based on a headline.

(10:05):
And I fell into the same trap recently. I made
that Zelda video. I thought they were charging you for
the online app. So my initial thumbnail was me looking
upset with prices all over the thumbnail, me making it
look like, look how bad it is, Look how ripped
off we're getting. And then I was like, oh, I'm okay,
I'm wrong. So I changed it to me looking happier
and having a more positive vibe, and I was like,

(10:25):
you know what, I'm gonna wait. I'm gonna wait until
this thing comes out. You know, I'm gonna wait until
we see more about Mario kar I'm gonna wait until
we find out more and we actually get these things
in our hands. Then trying to read fine print on
a box or on the back of a cover to
make my opinions and then try and get people are
pissed off and riled up.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
I mean, it's only been how many days, eight days
since we got the announcement and got the the not
the announcement, but the direct. So I feel like, let's
let's let let's let the information catch up to us.
You know, we're still learn a lot about the details.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, things are happening so quickly and people are finding things,
and the information is vague one hundred percent, No, you're
one hundred percent. We've got a super chat for two
from sent The information is vague. But it's also because
they did an hour direct and they kind of kept
things to like here's this, here's this, here's this, here's this,
And I don't know if they knew like, oh, we

(11:21):
should probably clarify about the GameCube controller, or we should
probably clarify about blah blah blah, because I mean, they've
released a bunch of these controllers now and I don't
think they ever really clarified what you can use it on.
People were just excited to buy the game. People were
excited to buy the sixty four controller. It could have
been only for that app and people would were fine,

(11:44):
and then you get it and you find out, oh,
I can use it here I can use it there,
I probably won't because it's a sixty four controller and
I'm just going to use a pro controller, right But
people bought this excited and then tender, we're like, okay,
now we're going to do a GameCube one. And because
everyone is livid right now, they're like, why does the
fine print say that I can only use it in
the GameCube? Ap Like Jesus, I just feel like people, uh,

(12:07):
just angry. They're just angry right now.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
And given the option, why would you use an N
sixty four controller and a non and sixty four game
the sixty four controller.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yes, I get why people want to use the GameCube,
but also the GameCube buttons are wacky. They're like, it's
it's you got to try and really get your head.
If you want to play a normal game with this,
with where the positioning of the B, A and X
Y button is, it's going to do your head in
because they're not in the position that they're supposed to
be in for normal games. But that's beside the point. Obviously,

(12:37):
you know, we want it to be able to be
used like a normal controller, and it might be let's
get it, stick it in, see what it does you know. Yeah, yeah,
let's do it all right. I'm kind of just ranting,
and I don't really know where to begin. But we
do have like a whole dock of things. If you
see anything in the chat you think it's worth mentioning
or any like chat super chats of anything, you got it.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
If you want to get to the GameCube controller stuff,
that's number eighteen, Okay, we can get to that.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
I don't know what we've pulled here.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
And if it's like the evidence in reverse or it's
just the the article of saying that it, I mean
this is we can show this, but this says then
t to switch to gamecub controller appears to only be
compatible with GameCube classics according to the small print. And
again that's also what the other controllers said. And I

(13:31):
think this terminology is from Nintendo to be like, we've
designed this thing to work with the app. If you
want to use it for anything else, you probably can.
But we can't quality We can't quantity check or quality
quality check. We can't quality check that experience. Yeah, is there?

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Does the GameCube controller have the same amount of buttons?
It's like a switch controller.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
M that's another good point I think it's more in
different positions. But this is what I'm talking about here.
So the IGN tweet that blew up with three thousand likes,
the Nintendo switch to gameque controller pissed are only be
compatible with gamecued classics according to fineprint. And then you
see you'll probably see comments like this first one, the
like you guys mentally stable right now? Why are you
guys making such stupid decisions all of a sudden? Then

(14:21):
you go to the article and you actually read it
down here. As VGC notes, it's worth considering that other
Nintendo controllers with similar disclaimers have not been fully limited.
Players have been able to make retro controllers work. We're applicable. Yeah,
so what are we talking about? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (14:38):
What?

Speaker 1 (14:39):
And this is just what I mean. At the start
of this episode, a tweet will go out with a
headline like this because IGN knows it's going to piss
people off, because IGN wants the clicks and the likes,
and they want you to come to the article, but
no one's going to read. No one ever reads. Yeah,
I mean, this is a media thing that's been around forever,
and I mean, thank you at least IGN for putting

(14:59):
this in here at the very end of getting everybody
pissed off. But at least it's in here, you know,
and like, yeah, maybe maybe it won't, maybe it won't,
Like I'm not saying it will. Maybe it won't. Maybe
it'll come out. Maybe let's find out. Because the other
one said the same thing and they do.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Yeah, I think it's a one for one controller type situation.
I use my S and E S controllers for Scott
Pilgrim and they work fine. Like the Scott Pilgrim Beat
Them Up game, that's a sick way to play that. Yeah,
it's very fun. It's very fun, and they work fine.
The only thing that's frustrating is like the home button,
Like how do you get to the home page when

(15:37):
you need to? So I feel like they put in that,
you know that that fine print to me because.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
They can't quality check every experience. They can't play every
game on the console with the thing. It's like this
is for this, Yeah, if you want to use it
for that, it might work. It might work. We don't know.
There's so let's pull up next. Let's go to what
Bowser said, because that one legitimately annoyed me, and I
think that that's a good one to cut too. Oh sorry, yeah, no,

(16:07):
you're fine. I haven't got it yet. Do you know
what number it is? No?

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Sorry, if you do, like control F and then Doug
Bowser on price, Yeah, that's that's it, this one.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Anything that say, Sam, that's so to be fair, let's
let's I think everything I've said right now is relatively fair.
But to be fair, I know I'm a Nintendo creator.
I know it's my whole career. I really I really
do need this thing to be successful, right, So I
have invested interest in that way, right, But at the
same time, I've always tried to be incredibly unbiased in

(16:39):
all of my content. I have made videos. I destroyed
my relationship with Nintendo for so many reasons, but I
made videos trashing on Dino Bla two when I stand
by that to this day. There's other videos that I recently,
very recently trashed Mario and Luigi Brothership, Like does it
behoove me to pretend like these games are the like

(16:59):
Nintendo's do everything incredible? Yeah? Sure, I mean I could
have said Mario is great, everybody go buy it. There's
a link so you can go buy on GameStop and
I get commissioned. No, I said it was bad because
it's bad. I try really hard to be unbiased. I
think this thing is sick. I think eighty dollars for
Mario Ka is insane, especially from Nintendo. And I think

(17:21):
that this is also one that really bothered me. And
there are people you can cut to it now. There
are people on two sides of this fence. Some people
don't think it's as bad as it seems. I think
the terminology that he used is different, but it equates
to the same thing. So I'm going to try and
find the actual quote here. But what is happening is

(17:42):
oh wait, no, the quotes right here. So Doug Bowser
on Nintendo switches to price, So he was asked about
the price. People are having issues with the price. He
mentioned how tariffs aren't included in this. This was the
price that they were always going to set. Some people
may not be able to afford the switch to his
price point. That's why we wanted to make the other
switch platforms available. This sucks. I hate that he said that.

(18:08):
So this is something that I've talked about a lot
in my channel over the years, the Xbox One's failure.
It's something I've always found very fascinating because you probably
you won't be able to see, but Max can attest
from two of these sections of switch games. There's two
of those of Xbox three sixty games. I loved the

(18:28):
Xbox three sixty. I was a big Xbox stan and
I wasn't really into PlayStation in that generation, and I
was very excited for the Xbox One. And they were
so many things that botched that launch, and so many
things that we can draw correlations to what Nintendo were
literally botching right now with this launch. And one thing
that happened during that was this guy called Dawn. I

(18:49):
can't remember his last name, but he was the president
of business at Microsoft at the time. He came out
and said very smugly, which rubbed people the wrong way.
If there are people that don't have Internet or they
don't think they can use the new Xbox One, we
have a product for them, and it's called the Xbox

(19:10):
three sixty. That was his exact words. And it was like, okay,
then we won't buy it. Yeah, you know, and this
he said it differently. I mean for him, he's kind
of saying like it's all the same ecosystem. I see
if I can pull up the actual thing. If you
can't afford it, It's almost like he was saying it
in a way with more care, like if you can't

(19:32):
afford it, it's okay, We're going to support the old ones.
Still moving forward. You can still be part of that ecosystem.
But it is just not a good sign. I think
that in the midst of people being very upset with you,
which is what the Xbox situation was, to say, well,
if you can't afford it, if you're a broke boy,
just say so. Here is the original.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
It's giving let them eat cake, you know what I mean?
What's that the Antoinette Marie Antoinette quote where she's they
were like, Marie Antoinette, you know the people of France
can't afford bread. She says, let the meat cake because
she has no idea like how cake is made.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
That's actually funny and yeah, that's that equates. And by
the way, that Dune guy from Microsoft, he was LEO
a month later like it was that bad, like what
he said, like it destroyed the image at the time.
I mean, their image was already really bad, but that
was like a rubbing it in. People did not want
anything to do with Microsoft at that point, and they
had to replace I think Phil Spencer took over from

(20:34):
I think someone took over, and yeah, they changed everything.
So Xbox was like, I don't know if you remember this,
so you know about this, but they were trying to
make it so you couldn't share games physical or digital.
They were locked to accounts, you had to be on
the internet at all times. They had to connect, which
was forced, and you had to pay for it. It
would be like if Nintendo were forcing you to buy

(20:56):
their camera. Also, it's not great that both these comparisons
have a new camera. Yeah, well, yeah, it's weird. I've
been really championing, championing, championing this launch for a long
time and literally saying repeatedly, I don't see how they
could fail. I am now seeing how they could fail. Like,
there's a lot of misinformation and I'm going to get
to more, but a lot of what they're doing is

(21:17):
really scaring me because the public image is not great.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Yeah, I think the public image is not great, but
I still think that they're going to make a good product.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Oh, the product's great, that's not the issue. Yeah, yeah,
the issue. And here's here's another thing, here's another tangent,
and we can get to I want to get back
to this article because he said something else. We pretty
much all agreed immediately that four p fifty is fine. Yeah,
like we all expected it to be more expensive if
you didn't you want following my content, but also a
little crazy. A lot of us thought four hundred, but

(21:49):
four point fifty makes sense when you see what they're offering,
the quality of the build, HDR in the screen, one
hundred and twenty, frame capability, four K. This is everything
we've been asking for them for eight years. And those
things aren't free. Those things don't come cheap, you know,
and it's you know, it's quality, you know it's Nintendo,
and you know that you're going to have this one
console for the next eight years. Right, So a lot

(22:11):
of that, a lot of us can break down in
our heads and be like, Okay, console prices were usually
pretty flexible on you can't come out at six hundred.
But I think four point fifty is still just in
that realm of being acceptable for most people. And I
thought it was a decent price. Would have liked four hundred,
but again I didn't expect HDR one hundred and twenty frames.

(22:31):
So we're there, we got it. But from a company
that up until this point in this last generation specifically
have made themselves a name and a fan base from
having the affordable games and the affordable experience to not
only up the price of the console, but choose this
moment to tell us that they're doing variable pricing on

(22:55):
games and Mario Cutt's going to be eighty dollars, So
now all of a sudden are affordable. Nintendo Fun Place
has become the most expensive place to buy video games.
That's a harsh handbreak tone, while you're also asking people
to spend four fifty on a console. And the thing
that scares me the most here about this is the

(23:17):
three DS, the Xbox One, and the WIU. They all
failed for different reasons, but one main reason that was
attributed to all of them was high price. So if
Nintendo were coming out with a high priced console for
them and at the same time knowing that's what has
led to two of their previous failures, to also high

(23:37):
price the games and so also nickel and dime on
something that should be packing is very scary. I feel like,
in a very bold move, Why is your face lighting up.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Oh, I'm just I just didn't want that sound to
happen again. Sorry, what's sounds Oh, it's just we got
a little notification on the phone.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Don't worry about it. It's fine what happened.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Don't make a big deal about it. If it was
to be a big deal. It was just we got
a little notification, and it bothered me that it interrupted
your beautiful saying. We have a super chat that I
think a lot of people are responding to.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
And I'm not trying to be negative, guys. I have
a lot of positive and I want to address a
lot of misinformation. I know it sounds like I'm on
a tangent right now, and a lot of us are
still really excited for it, and I'm going to get
to that.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
But yes, Kewie, I'm not going to try to pronounce that.
I'm sorry, dude. But basically, they said with five dollars,
they said, But what should have Douger have said? I
didn't think it was that bad as people are saying.
A lot of people are kind of going against what
he's saying. But I kind of see what he means.
I mean, I'm not sure what Doug Bowser could have

(24:41):
said that would have made people happy. But I'm interested
in you know, your take.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I'm not
a I'm not a PM management marketing guy. Well, what
would you wanted him to say? It's a good it's
a good point. Yeah, I don't really know what you
can say in amidst everybody being really upset. For me,
it's just I wouldn't say don't buy it, because that's

(25:10):
how it's coming across, like, hey, if you can't afford it,
don't get it. We already have something for you. It's
just for me that didn't work with Xbox. And I
think that's why I personally would be really afraid to
say that again because of how upset people got last time.
When people have legitimate concerns or issues over things like

(25:30):
the price of Mario being eighty in a packing game
not being free and charging for a button on the controller,
rather than I guess what I would do is I
would just really try to explain why those things cost
the way they do. But when people are this upset
and like the group mentality is it's too much. Even
people that are excited are like, yeah, some of these

(25:53):
things are too much. I would try and explain why
their price the way they are, and not say if
you can't afford it, don't at it in any context. Yeah,
I think that's and again I said this at the start.
I think he said it in the nicest, most caring
way possible, and it seemed to come from a place
close to his heart where he meant it in the

(26:14):
nicest way, like, hey, if you can't afford this, we're
going to keep supporting the switch. And the way that
Don said it sucked. The way Don said it was
so smug and very different messaging behind it. It honestly
felt like like stop your bitching, you know, just keep
the old thing. But the sentiment is the same. Unfortunately,

(26:36):
it's we get that it's too expensive, we get that
you're not happy with the price, don't buy it if
you can't afford it.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
I just think overall, I think that yeah, it shouldn't
be kind of like, you shouldn't even mention, oh, if
you can't afford it, don't get it.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
That shouldn't be r I think, especially having something in
recent history to compare it to, and surely they're aware
of that. I think you just try and justify why
things are the way they are, Like, why is game
chat twenty Like, tell us, maybe there's service space that
you have to pay for, Maybe there's some reason there.
Why is Mario Cut eighty? You're saying, and I want

(27:14):
to try and find it in here, but essentially to
boil it down, and sorry to misquote, he's saying that
some games are like bigger and we like work hard
on these games, so we price them. We're going to
be pricing them variably. We're gonna decide what we think
a game depending on how we've worked on it is worth.
Tell us why Mario Cut's worth eighty? Then, because I

(27:36):
gotta be honest with you. I love Mario Kart and
I played it and it was fun. From what I played,
it was fun ish. They they had the automatic steering
on and they wouldn't let you turn it off. It
was like baked in for the demo interesting and I
don't know if you've ever tried playing Mario Kart with
that on. It sucks. And all the gameplay that came
out of that event, people are like, why does the
driving look so boring? It's because you can't drive. It's

(27:58):
automatically driving.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
I saw one clip of somebody playing and they did
not drift the entire time.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
I so the whole thing that you can grind on
the side of the courses and stuff, but with the
automatic drift on, it'll pull you away to stop you
from hitting the side of the course. So I could
not do any of the grinding. And I was like
can I can I turn And he's like no, because
some people don't know how to play, and I'm like, yeah,
it was very bizarre. I mean, it is kind of

(28:25):
baby mode to turn out. So I mean, I played it,
but I couldn't. I played it for five minutes and
it was hard to I was when I was playing
Mario Cut two. I was more like looking at the
screen and the HDR and the quality of like the
new visuals. It was hard for me to actually assess.
But I wasn't really seeing the eighty dollars, I'll be honest,
Like over other Mario cuts, I know there's like eighty

(28:48):
something characters in this one. It's in a big open world,
but as far as I could tell, the open world
was just there to be there, like you could it's
cool and you can drive to the courses, but like
I just don't know what makes this eighty. I don't know.
If I saw, like almost Tears of the Kingdom, I
would say is almost eighty. Like if they were to
try and justify Tears of the Kingdom to eighty, to me,

(29:10):
I could almost be like, I, you know, I kind
of get it, but this Mario cart I don't think
they've done anything to actually justify the eighty yet. Personally,
I mean, it's a slippery slope.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
I mean, I don't know why games need to be
priced so high in general. I mean, movies are still
priced a certain way.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
I mean I know that.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
I guess movies are like dictated by the two hour mark,
and you surely you want to play a video game
for more than two hours. But I mean, I just
think it becomes a slippery slope, you know.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
I think it's slippery as well. And it's also like
a weird imaging thing too, because like Donkey Kong is seventy,
So what are you telling us Donkey Kong's not good? Yeah,
like it was weird what happened to Donkey Kong? That
it's not an eighty dollar game?

Speaker 3 (29:51):
And would it be such a huge loss for them
to be like, hey, this is our first game.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Let's make it a little cheaper. Yeah, you know, it's
our first game. Make it seventy. And again it's let's
make it fifty or sixty or whatever the average price.
It's I don't say. And here's another thing too, And
this is why people are calling it greed. And I
do understand this. We all would have been fine with
them going up to seventy, you know, we expected it.
The industry went up to seventy several months to a

(30:18):
year ago. PlayStation five and Xbox went up to seventy.
Nintendo held out until like a new generation, like the
other consoles did admit generation. So for a lot of people,
it would have sucked, you know, them going to seventy.
But at the same time, it's almost like thank you,
thank you Nintendo for waiting at least, you know, waiting
out the switch and then starting it. But rather than

(30:40):
doing that, they jumped straight to eighty with the first
game that the first company to do it. Nintendo, the
people that have been you know, so affordable on prices,
like and I get their prices don't come down on
their games, but we also forgive that because we're like, well,
the game's so quality. It's always worth what it's worth
if they give them for so much, And they could

(31:02):
have released a four hundred and fifty dollars console and
seventy dollars games and be riding it all home to
the bank, but instead they Sorry, I was supposed to
be talking about misinformation, and now I'm I'm I'm paranoid
because a lot of what they're doing doesn't sit right
with me either. And I'm I really I'm excited for

(31:23):
this console, just like I was excited for the WU
back in the day because it's the next Nintendo thing
and I'm a Nintendo guy and I can't wait. But
I'm paranoid that they're wuing this again. I don't think
it's going to get that crazy. I mean, because I
feel like the WU was kind of like a subpar
product at the end of the day. I feel like
that's what the problem was. It was. I feel like

(31:44):
hardware wise, it was it was underperforming.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Yes, And I feel like, you know, worst case, absolute
worst case scenario. I don't think they're going to be
at a loss because they could always lower the price.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
That is true, and with the three ds they did that.
Do you know about that yeah, no, exactly.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
That's what I'm referring, who ultimately is not like they
could pull another three DS.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
So yeah, the three DS uh came at an ex
exorbitant I've had a hard time saying words. I got
pregnancy brain. Came at a larger price than you would expect,
and also it didn't have many games at launch and
didn't have really any third party support, and people were
confused about the three D gimmick and it bombed. And
then several months later, I don't know how long after

(32:26):
I think it was in the first year window, Nintendo
drastically dropped the price, offered a bunch of free games,
and they saved it. Essentially, it went from a failure
console to selling about seventy five million, and everyone loves
the three DS now. A lot of people don't even
realize it actually had a dismal launch, and if Nintendo
stick to their guns here, it could the same thing
could happen. They might need to and we're not even

(32:47):
talking about tariffs and all these delays yet, which there's
a lot of misinformation about that, which to that effect.
I don't blame people because it's very confusing and it's
constantly changing yeah, star and stopping and starting and stopping.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
And I mean, you know, if you go buy the
stock market, I mean, any little thing in the stock
market happens every the big change happens, you know, with
the ups and downs. So it's I feel like you
can't be looking at that either.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
It's a stressful time. It's a scary time. And a
lot of people now are like, as you're watching this,
if you're watching this in the future, he just extended
the tariffs by ninety days or something, and now people
are getting excited again because they're like, ooh, the switch
to launch falls in that window. I don't think it matters.
I don't think that's enough. Nintendo need to plan for

(33:33):
the long haul here. They could try and maybe squeeze
out a launch and then up the price later, but
they could also just delay the whole thing because ninety
days it's it's very soon for something that they want
to like do like a ten year release for They
can't rush something in ninety days not knowing what's going

(33:55):
to happen for the next decade.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
I mean, we can talk about the pausing of pre order.
I mean, that's stuffy.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Stuff's directly related to the terriffs. Yeah, I mean, yeah,
they paused the pre orders and then also Canada had
to deal with pausing pre orders too. What did they do?
Canada is having to deal with our crappy government.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Yeah, somebody was like, because of their their president, I
have to wait for my switch.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
That sucks. I feel bad for you. Also, I feel
bad for me because that was my backup plan. You
got some Canadian friends. Yeah, Nintendo pause that too, and uh,
I mean, unfortunately it makes sense on Nintendo side because
with essentially it's all North America, right, and so they
want to time the release across the continent. They don't

(34:38):
just want to, you know, they want to They want
to time that. And also I'm sure it creates other
conflicts with now Americans going and trying to buy it
from Canada, which is probably going to mess up their
everything in their back ends. Like I don't it's just confusing,
and I'm sure that's why they did it. Let's so.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Finally, on Doug Bowser and the price, So if you
don't know, Doug Brown, Bowser essentially said that they're doing
variable pricing, so every game is going to have a
variable price eighty dollars, right, now is the highest. I mean,
we only really have that, and I guess Donkey Kong,
which is seventy. You can't really look at anything else
as a good example, like I know we have some

(35:19):
other eighties, but it's because like Tiers of the Kingdom
gets an upgrade for ten, it's not a new game.
Breath of the Wild gets an upgrade. Also, there's another
weird thing with Breath of the Wild. So there was
a lot of misinformation around the Breath of the Wild
and Tiers of the Kingdom cuts. For a long time.
People were really upset. I don't know if we have
that in here, do we It's physical, yes, somewhere, let

(35:44):
me see if I can find it. Essentially, if you
can find it, let me know, give me the number.
But essentially people were thinking, according to oh, I actually
I found it. I got it. You can, you can,
you can show so you're not gonna be able to
read this fine print. But again this was a case
of people reading fine print and drawing conclusions before this
stuff is actually here. So if I can, I know,

(36:05):
I'm flip flopping on being angry and also being angry
at people who are angry. It's a confusing time hear
me out, there's a lot going on. This is more
of people reading fine print and drawing their own conclusions,
and this stuff, I feel like, is what's distracting from
the actual issue and situation. And people were reading this
and assuming that the Switch To Enhanced Edition games are

(36:28):
just the original Switch version and they don't have any
of the enhanced stuff on it, and you have to
put that in and then you download it, so you're
rebuying the same game essentially, which, to be honest, it's
kind of apples and oranges, really, but it would be nice,
I guess if I had to choose a preference if
the cut had the download stuff on it already, And

(36:49):
a Nintendo spokesperson confirms this was as of today that
well at least this tweet was today, that physical Switch
To Edition games have the original Switch game and the
upgrade pack the same game card, no download code, no
download required, exclusively Switched to game cards. And I guarantee
you there's ign Kotaku whatever articles from the last week

(37:10):
saying that this wasn't the case, or at least implying
it based on the thing here, which is just more
stuff that's like I know it feels like Nintendo's making
all these really bad decisions. But if we can focus,
the bad decisions are the price, Yeah, like it's the price. Yeah.
Everything else is a lot of stuff. We're going to
have to wait and see. Although I'm gonna flip flop

(37:30):
and come back on your site now. Although the Breath
of the Wild addition, yeah, doesn't have the Breath of
the Wild DLC on it, so you'd have to download
it when it comes out. You're saying, well, yes, but
also if you don't have it already, it means you
have to buy it. That's crazy. So this Breath of
the Wild game that came out in twenty eighteen, it
had a bunch of DLC, right, It had like a

(37:51):
Master Sore trial mode that you could go and do.
It had a motorbike. Did you play any of that? Yeah,
I think I played the motorbike. Okay. It added like
a whole heap of content. Yeah, this is just the
base game. That's crazy. Which that is actually bananas. Yeah,
like you can't add that. Like, it's very clear. See,
I'm back on your side. We're back. We're gonna be
flip flopping a lot today. It's very clear that Nintendo.

(38:13):
And this is something that I don't know if it's
in here. Do we have the thing in here about
Reggie and the Wii Sports. No, I'll just paraphrase. So
this is something that Kit and Christer I think talked about.
It's circling back around again right now, but back with
the Wei Apparently it was Reggie that championed putting we

(38:34):
Sports in the Wii box as a pack in game.
He thought that should be a free game, and insanely,
what a great idea, by the way, I mean, that
was a large key reason don't worry about it, a
large key reason why we used Launch was so successful,
and everyone has great memories of playing the Wii and

(38:55):
the Wei Sports. That was his idea. Because Nintendo's idea
has apparently always been and to some extent it makes
sense until they go overboard with it. If we've worked
on something, no one should get it for free. Like
if we've developed something, if we've made something, then no
matter what it is, no one should get that thing

(39:16):
for free. It's not like a great mentality, but I
get that you want to get paid for what you're
working on. It's just in some cases it is nice
to get things for free, and it makes sense to
get things for free. Obviously, an instructional pamphlet video game
for a console that you're already spending four hundred and

(39:37):
fifty dollars on would be nice to get, Like it's
barely even a game, but also a full priced you're
charging seventy dollars again for this, at this point, eight
year old game. You could put in the DLC. Yeah
you could. That's like almost a given. Like you're calling
this the switch to Edition, like an enhanced addition, but

(40:01):
it's missing content that came out years ago because you
want people to buy it again. Yeah, because you don't
want to give it away for free, because nothing Nintendo
makes is given away from free. And again I understand
the mentality, but in some cases like this, it's not
doing anybody any favors. I don't know, I don't know why.
I mean, nothing is for free.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
I mean, you know it's publicity too, I mean it's
it's having people try your product.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yeah, it's nothing, you're you're not going to get ze
very little victories. Yeah, it's like, Okay, you're chuging four
to fifty for a console. Okay, you're charging eighty dollars
for Mario Kart. But at least you put the doc
in to Breath of the Wild. At least we got that,
you know. But there's no at leasts here. I think
the only at least I can think of is for

(40:48):
some reason, they've done a bundle with Mario Kart that
saves you thirty bucks. Yeah, that's the only at least
And I'm really not sure why they're even doing that
based on everything else that they've done, Like they're willing
to bundle in Mario Kart and have you saved thirty bucks,
but then not willing to bundle into ten dollars instructional
pamphlet and have you saved ten bucks? Yeah? I mean
two things.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
First of all, I don't like this variable pricing because
I feel like that makes it more like obvious and
more like greedy, because it's like, of course, you're gonna
want to raise the price of Mario Kart, regardless of
if it's a better game or not, because you know
it's going to sell. You know it's going to be
your best selling game. So that that's number one. And
then number two is you know how the PS five

(41:30):
had that sort of like this is what's inside the
PS five game?

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (41:36):
And the Astro was that free? Yeah? Okay, so what's
the excuse the first one? I think it was a
PlayStation four or did PlayStation five come with one? I
don't remember. Chat let me know. My life is a blow.
But yeah, the Astro, it was like a pack in
free game, one hundred percent. They then they because that
game did so well and people liked it so much
because it was free and they played it, they made

(41:56):
a full game and they charged for it.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Yeah, which is a that's a good way of doing it,
and exactly that, and then exactly that's not free. You're
doing publicity for the game that comes out later. I
think there's just there's too many, too many things that
have happened on this launch that h I want to
almost say Unnintendo like from what we've been used to
from this last couple generations.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
I mean I think that it's supposed to be, at
least from what my understanding of a Nintendo product, since
the Wii is it's a family, family friendly product. It's
for it's the one that everybody has in their house,
so it's crazy that it's it's trying to match pricing
with the other consoles.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
It's not even matching, is going above? Yeah, going like
you've been the underdog all this time and something you've
had in your favor is pricing and now you're going above. Yeah.
And like Astro's playing Room on PlayStation five. Yeah. My
I still with the eighty dollars. I still want to
wait for the direct It's a week away, and I

(43:01):
still am holding reservation that they can explain the eighty.
Now maybe that's just the Nintendo fan in me, and
maybe that's a little bit of biasm talking, but again,
I think the only thing that can explain that to
me is if there's some sort of like lifelong DC
plan included, Like it's ten extra dollars or technically twenty

(43:23):
from what we're used to, but we're going to be
supporting this thing and releasing tracks and carts and races
and stuff moving forward. And it's like, okay, so this
is like a really like you're going in on this
and you want an extra ten like as an investment
almost and everything else is going to be free. Uh Okay,
that makes sense. I could honestly get around that, because

(43:45):
then if that also means that you know and hear
me out. I'm just thinking out loud right now for
the first time. Next year new animal crossing, what was
one of the biggest complaints with animal crossing. They dropped it.
They did like one or two like doc packs, and
then they moved on and it was like, you could
do so much more with this. Maybe in their brains

(44:05):
they were like, well, we've sold the game and it
was sixty bucks and we kind of have to move
on to the next thing. What if the next animal
crossing is eighty bucks? But listen, but you're already shaking
your head. I know, I'm just talking out loud and
I'm running up by the chat. You can say no,
but they're like, but we're gonna support this one for
the next like ten five ten years, five years, let's

(44:26):
say five years window and we're gonna keep adding like
every week you'll get something new every like season, they'll
be new. It won't be the same season like blah
blah blah blah for the next five years.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
But it's eighty dollars. Yeah, I mean, I think that
would be fair because it's what we're talking about. We
got a five dollars from Barry a little while ago,
Mario Kart eight plus DLC is more expensive than Mario
Kart World, according to them. I don't know, I can't
fact check that for you right now, but I mean
I can fact check that for you right now. But

(44:55):
that's what they're saying.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
I mean, that's a very solid point in that with
the DC it's more expensive. So does Mario Cutt World
have that much content? Yeah? I feel like, is it
comparative to the base game of Mario Karte or is
it comparative to all of the DLC, Because yeah, even
with like Smash, if you were to price out every
character we bought it five dollars a pop or whatever
it was, how much was Smash? You know? So are

(45:19):
we getting the new Smash will be eighty dollars? But
then every character they add is going to be free.
I'm good with that. Saves you money? Yeah, no, I agree, Yeah,
I mean, it's just is that going to be the case?
Probably not.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
It's just that Stuff's also again, it's another slippery slope
because remember how many games came out Xbox One era
that the DLC was already on the disc. Yeah, I know, yeah,
and then they released the DLC like that later.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
That was one of the first times me and my
friends got really pissed. It was a gizz of war.
I don't know if it was Judgment or three or something. Yeah,
but it released with the upcoming DLC expansions on the
disc and then months later you had to pay for it.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Yeah, that's it's crazy. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It
it gets to slippertty slow. You know, you don't know.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
There's a verified check mark in chat, and I just
want to try and read what they're saying. So six
ninety is six ninety whe or without tax, the seven
hundred figure remains ninety five percent accurate. What are we
talking about? Who are we talking to? What's going on here?

Speaker 3 (46:16):
I think somebody in the chat had said seven hundred
is after the tariffs, So let's I don't, Oh, this
is gonna get messy.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
I wouldn't try and calculate how much it's gonna cost
with tariffs because we don't really know how tariffs are
going to work. Yeah, we don't really know. Uh, if
it's literally like I say, it's one hundred percent tariff,
We didn't really know if three hundred becomes six hundred,
or if it's one hundred percent tariff on the parts
that were included, and then the technical it's only blah

(46:47):
blah blah, and then maybe it's only one hundred dollars more.
I wouldn't try and do math here. It could also
be even more expensive because then they I don't know,
they could it could be anything. Norway is seven hundred
no seven in Norway. Oh, maybe that's how much it's
worth in USD. They're saying, wait, why is it seven
hundred dollars in Norway? Oh we're on a home. Yeah,

(47:07):
see this is gonna get We're on a No. I
don't know anything about nobody when it comes to when
it comes to Norway, I know no I know no
way about no norbody, no body about no Way. All right,
what else can we pull here? Switch to China if
we can get ahead of this one. I saw today
that Nintendo switch tos have been and this is also

(47:30):
like very confusing if you can cut to this. Nintendo
has postponed the release of Switched To in China indefinitely.
Dextero releasing this and then just saying for find out
the reasons why click on this for find out the
reasons My right wrong fifteen thousand likes. You know, people
are going to assume this is because of like tariffs

(47:51):
or something. Isn't it made in China? That is actually
pretty funny, is it?

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (47:54):
That is actually a good point. The tariffs are being
problematic to gamers as well. Trump did this by causing
China to retaliate. They picked a really bad time to
launch this console. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, So people
are obviously assuming that this is tariff related and it's not.
This is completely irrelevant, it's not even worth looking into
for us. But apparently China has weird laws and regulations

(48:18):
around video game consoles. The same thing happened in twenty
eighteen with the switch. I think the switch to the
Switch one came out two years later in China than
it did Japan, And it looks like the same thing's
happening again. It's completely unrelated to everything else. It's some
weird law and rules and regulations with China and the
switch to and video games actually just video games. So

(48:44):
all right, if we can, if we can, we can
pull it back a little here. I did do a
tweet over here on Twitter, and you can go tweet.
I think there's a little bit of time left asking people,
are you still excited and hyped for the switch to release? Now?
This actually gave me some hope. I'm not gonna lie.

(49:04):
Sixty seven point seven percent of people did say yes again. Yeah,
this is my audience, you know, for the most part.
So like, I don't know how accurate this is, but
it's nice to know that my audience is mostly still
excited or fifty to fifty. And I want to stress
that I am still very excited. I'm just nervous about

(49:27):
the business side of it all because I want this
thing to be a success for a lot of reasons,
and not just like for my career, which obviously, yes,
that's a big thing. I'm having a kid right now. Nintendo,
please don't botch this, but also the being a WEU
fan and a we you owner sucked. It sucked like
it had no games. Uh, it just didn't go anywhere.

(49:48):
It flopped, you know. I want this to be as
successful as possible, not just for my career and not
just you know, for that side, but because I'm a
gamer and because I love Nintendo, and I want this
thing to be successed so that we can get another Metroid,
so that we can get you know, another animal crossing,
which will probably get anyway, but so that we can
get X y Z thing and that so we get

(50:09):
third party companies look at the Switch and be like, oh,
look how successful this is. We should make an exclusive
game for it. Oh look how much success from Soft had.
Let's make our exclusive Nintendo Switch to game. Like, that's
where I want to be with this thing. That's mostly
why I want this to be successful. So, yeah, it's

(50:29):
not just my own invested interest, which I can't deny
I obviously have. But at the same time, you know,
that doesn't mean that I'm gonna lie, and it also
isn't why I want this to be a success Solely.
I wanted to be a success so that we can
have a nice hecking eight ten years with Nintendo and
not have to be the guy justifying to all his
friends why he has a we you you know, because

(50:51):
I was that guy. I was that guy. I was like, no, guys,
it's really good. Trust me, it's really fun. You're gonna
love pigment. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
I don't think it's going to be that. I don't
think it's going to be that disastrous, but I feel
like they will feel a hit on launch.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
You never do until it is though. That's the thing, Like, yeah,
when DS was selling like hotcakes and the Wii was
selling like hotcakes, it's almost like bizarre to think like, well,
there's no way than that thing.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Also, have you noticed that there are things that they've
like hit a bump on is always like it's like
the sequel to something that was great. So we're doing
this again with the switch.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Yeah. That's another big thing people to pointed out is that, uh,
and I thought this would be the one to break it,
but now I'm so worried that every time Nintendo has
a success, the next thing flops like clockwork every time.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Yeah, what you're saying is correct, But I feel like
it's not even so much that it's the it's the
next thing.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
It's that it's the sequel to make you know what
I mean what you're saying. Yeah, so the we U
and the three DS.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Yeah, like the regular DS did amazing, yeah, and then
the three Yes didn't do it. And I think it's
because of this like hype around the fact that you know,
it's what you have but better and then we.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Can also say it you know there and this is
thanks for bringing this up. Over the last few years,
I've made a lot of predictions about the Switch too,
and I want to not right now, but we have
some that are fun to go back and look at
of me predicting certain things, and I think for the
most part, I was like right on the ball, and
I kind of want to make a video with everything

(52:28):
that I got right, because I've been talking about four
K sixty for like four or five years now. One
thing early on, early on, and you can Bob shared
it with me actually on the podcast. There's an episode
about the switch not having backwards compatibility the Switch too
until like two years ago, when Bob changed my mind.
I was steadfast that the switch to would not have

(52:49):
backwards compatibility, would not have it. And the reason why
I felt that is because the three DS failed and
the WEIU failed and they both had backwards compatibility. And
with the Switch, they started from scratch, they went away
from discs, they had cartridges, they launched with seven games
and that was it. And look at it now and

(53:10):
I was like, why would they Why would they do that?
Why would they? Why would they what reason could they
have to not start from scratch again and to try
this for a third time. But then at some point
and obviously it's happening, so it started to make sense
to me, and then Nintendo even confirmed it, and I
was like, Okay, but this time it makes sense.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
I is posting a bunch of confusing tweets about how
it's like emulating the switch So maybe it was like
a decision they made like halfway through the process of
the switch ton that.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
So I probably should have read up on that because
I wanted to talk about it, and I am not
well versed. But that is another thing that people are
getting upset about that it's just emulating, so the switch
to apparently when you put in a switch one game,
it's just emulating the game. It's not playing the game.
I don't know why this matters at all. Bob has
told me that this doesn't matter, and Bob is the

(54:03):
king of emulating.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
If anything, he probably thinks it's sick.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Oh that's cool, it's I think it.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
I mean, it's like a somewhat similar thing. Maybe I
could be wrong. No, this is probably different with like Xbox.
When you put in an old Xbox game, it can't
actually play it, but it knows what it is. So
it kind of like proxies a download for it and
then you put the get you put it in to
play it, but it's actually playing off the hardware and
not the disc, and maybe it's a similar thing. I

(54:32):
don't know. People were upset about that. I actually don't
think that matters. I don't know why they've done it
that way. It must have made sense for them. Maybe
it's easier to emulate the games. Maybe they can get
more out of the games if they emulate them. Maybe
it's less expensive to do it that way. Which, let's
be real good. I mean, if we can't tell the difference,
why does it matter? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Yeah, I mean what I'm saying is though that maybe
they kind of they did start from scratch and then
this was sort of like something that they decided to
do last minute. So maybe that's why it's emulated. But
I don't know. I can't tell you. I didn't read
the article.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
But yeah, that's why, by the way, I was so
steadfast on not emulating, sorry, not being back was compatible
for all that time. It is because it just felt
like it was going to fail. Someone in chat said,
variable pricing means not all games will be eighty Yeah,
that's a good point, and I should clarify that there
is a realm. Let's humor it. There is a realm
where this is good. I don't think so, but there

(55:29):
is a realm where this is good. Let's say they're
really honest and Maria Catt World is eighty, and sure,
that's I'm sure it's going to be great. Then they
make Animal Crossing, let's use that for an example again,
and they're like, oh, maybe this is only sixty, so
we've spent ten more here, but we've saved ten here.

(55:51):
And maybe with Nintendo games they can do a really
good job at striking a balance so that when a
game comes out they really surprise us. The next Mario
and Luigi game that's fifty, the next three D Mario World,
we're back up to eighty, the next Pickman game where
we're at sixty, you know, And maybe it all like
balances out and this is like a better way. But

(56:14):
to Max's point, and to a lot of people's point,
it is just a slippery slope. And it's not Nintendo's
fault if they introduce this and then PlayStation steals it
and they start doing it, and they agreedy and manipulate it.
That's not Nintendo's fault if Nintendo does it well and
they're respectful about it. But it's hard to have confidence

(56:36):
in that when they're charging us ten dollars for an
extrauction pamphlet. So it's like, where is your head at
with pricing? Like what are you deeming things worth? Like
why is Mario catt World eighty? I'm still looking for
that answer, and I'm hoping to find it next week.
I don't see it yet, and I've played the game.
I don't see the eighty yet.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Yeah, but I just think that, like I said, it's
a slippery slope because it's like, I want to do
that to every game. I want to know why every game,
Why every Call of Duty releases at sixty dollars?

Speaker 1 (57:05):
You know what I mean? When when it's clear they're
using the same engine. Why is every w W two
K eighteen or two K whatever game the same game
the next year and another price? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Exactly, that's I mean, That's why it's it's it's gonna
be a slippery slip because you could literally do that
with every Doug.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Bowser, my guy, where have you been? By the way,
President of Nintendo bidening it up for the last eight
We'll have a long Reggie's been gone sleepy, Doug over here,
where have you been? Just popping your head out to
let us know about this variable pricing? What makes Breadth
of the Wild now seventy? Yeah, you want to talk

(57:40):
about variable pricing. What did you do to make that
re release seventy? Let's variable price that bad boy. Let's
variable price the doc into the game. Let's variable price
it down to sixty to fifty, like exactly.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Let's variable price you know the Super Mario three D
Land or whatever the one is that's on the switch.
I think that's still sixty. I think that's still yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
I mean well not even like your good point, but
not even like the old games. You know, if you're
re releasing it now like a re release, what's the
variable pricing that put Tiers of the Kingdom back up
at eighty? You know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
It's it does feel kind of greedy, It feels kind
of you know, pickpockety. It doesn't feel honestly, I miss
I miss ease Board because then I could do the
bowser laugh. Yeah, we talk about them. Well, I'm gonna
bring those sounds down.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
God Again, there's things that like I would have been like, fine, fine,
if you haven't done this, this, and this, I was like, fine,
I got to pay ten dollars for the enhanced edition.
But at the same time, why do I I'm paying
four hundred and fifty to buy your new console that
you're adding the four K sixty into. Why do I?

(58:57):
Why do I then also have to buy the upgrade
to play my games in four K sixty? I bought
the upgrade, it was the console. Whyight I have to
pay for Breath of the Wild to be in four K?
And also it's kind of crazy.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
To me that the digital and physical we still haven't
seen like any sort of price difference in that, because,
I mean, you would think it would cost them more
to release the physical.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Yeah, I know, yeah, that's a yeah, that's a whole thing.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
I know.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
It's just just sort of funny. They really shot themselves
in the foot with this eighty because it made everybody
look at everything else under a microscope. Ye I'm telling
you right now, we would not be in this position
if Mario kartt wasn't eighty. You know what, I have
a belief.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
I have a belief that it's my theory that if
they released Mario Kart at a lower price, like let's
say sixty or seventy like Donkey Kong, and released Donkey
Kong at eighty, I don't even think we'd be having
this conversation.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Seriously. I think it's just because I have.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
An interesting point, think that Mario Kart, that every nobody
will agree that Mario Kart a cart game is worth
eighty dollars, but an adventure game like Breath of the
arsting point.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
And it's also because this Donkey Kong is new, so
it's like exactly not. We don't understand any of it,
and it's like, oh, what's going to be in that
game to make it worth eighty? Yeah, and we'd be
excited if we had a good point, But why, I
don't know. If everyone to be excited, Yeah, it would
still be mad about that. I get your I think
mentality would be different, and I think people would be
more willing to like give that a shot. I think

(01:00:29):
Mario Cutt, knowing what we know about what Mario Cutt
is and seeing what we've seen from Mario Kart, it's
like what.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
I hit recording, Okay, Hello is anybody there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Should I do that intro again?

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
No, but.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Right click on the obs window like the picture you're
looking at, and hit like a full screen monitor or
something full projector previously, and then do wholly whatever it says. Yeah, okay,
all right, sorry about that. The laptop died. It should
be good. This actually it should be fine. If we
just keep going. This should still be the one episode.

(01:01:13):
They'll probably just be like a blackout in the middle. Okay,
it might even just cut Honestly, am I just cut
it out? People watching this late? It might not even
know what happened. What happened. Yeah, we're back, guys, Sorry
about that. The other the good laptop died for some reason.
But yeah we're back. Sorry guys, laptops fired. It's the
lagging Antendo switch to camera, Yeah it is. Yeah, they

(01:01:35):
had enough. I also realized there's no games at launch
that use the camera.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Yeah, I mean, is the camera even going to be
used for a gameplay purpose?

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Yeah, it would be used in Mario Party Jamboree, but
that comes out two months after launch. Explain to me
again how it's going to be used if you don't mind,
so in Mario Party Jamboree, they're adding in DC that
uses the camera like an ioy. There's all mini where
you're on the screen and you'll interest in things. Well,
you know that comes out two months after the console launch.

(01:02:05):
So on launch, what are you gonna do with the camera.
I just just talked to your friends.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
I guess did you know that the uh, the little
Piranha plant if you want to bring that up too,
But the Piranha plant camera, the little stem that connects
to the vase. You can take that out and then
it's got a USB C and then you can plug
it on the USB C port.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Oh that's actually really cool. Isn't that cool? A lunic
in chat said, would when are we getting it? I
made an entire video using the switch to camera. That's
a sick idea, and I'm stealing it if you don't mind.
Actually i'm locking that in right now. I don't remember where.
Oh I think we were saying uh yeah for AVP.
Everybody's saying it in the chante. I'm going to keep
stressing that point home because I really believe it. Nintendo

(01:02:51):
fans are suckers. We are will pay for anything. Enhanced
diitions ten dollars more, all right? I guess, let me
bend over and then daddy Nintendo a packing game being
ten dollars. All right, I mean I'm not gonna buy it,
but if that's what you want to charge for it,
bit weird. You know, the console being four hundred and fifty, Well,

(01:03:12):
you gave us four K sixty frames. We've been asking
by that for a long time, so let me unzip
my pants for you, you know what I mean. God,
but as soon as they hit that eighty, everything else
became not okay, and now they can't catch a break.
And rightfully, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
I mean, yeah, I think that this has been a
long time coming, like you're saying, and I think that
it's been crazy that they never lower Have you noticed
they never lower the price of any Nintendo first party
game ever, no matter how long it's been out. I know,
I'm kind of okay with that. Why are you a
Nintendo shill?

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
No? Because, for one, I buy the games when they
come out. Yeah. True, Nintendo's whole thing is like that,
well up until now. I know we're all mad at
them right now, but up until now, the whole thing
is we work on a game till it's done, and
then it's the quality game that we wanted it to be,
and we're going to charge you for it. And it's like,
all right, that's the trade off, And then what's the alternative?
You get games like Ubisoft games that are rushed out
in a year. They come out at seventy dollars. If

(01:04:09):
you buy it, you're just wasting your money because in
a week it'll be twenty bucks. Like, it's just a
different culture. And I don't think that it. I don't
think it makes a healthy ecosystem of video game development
to video game consumer. And I think this, I think
this works, and I think up until now, I know
it sounds silly, but I think it's like, all right,

(01:04:29):
they work hard on their games, they're worth the money.
It's almost like, yeah, why sell it for twenty bucks?
You know, it doesn't It doesn't even make sense for
a game as good as Tears of the Kingdom to
like be twenty unless it's like Black Friday or something.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Yeah, I mean, I don't expect those kind of games
to go down to twenty or even thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
But I mean, I mean they do cut They do
forties and fifties sometimes like holiday season discounts. Yeah, I
don't know. Up until now, I haven't ever had a
problem with that, and I feel like the alternative is
what what I just said would like Ubisoft. And it's like,
you know, the more money that Nintendo gets for these games,
the more that they can afford to take five years

(01:05:08):
for the next one. You know, if they pull, if
they spend five years on something, it comes out, then
it's on sale for twenty bucks that year. It's like
they're gonna think to themselves, Okay, how can we speed
up development next time? You know, how can we take
this five year development down to down to two years
because we're not seeing the profit return. Whereas right now
they work five years, they know what they're gonna sell

(01:05:30):
that game for, they can project their budget based on that,
and they can work within that scope. And again, until now,
we've got games like Breath of the Wild, Mario three
d Otis three D World, I don't know what I'm saying,
Mario Odyssey, Mario Catt, Animal Crossing, all of these like
genre defining games that are like the peak, Like the
best live sim you can get is Animal Crossing. The

(01:05:52):
best Action adventure APG you can get a Zelda. So
like until now, this system is working, which is why
I've always been fine with it me personally. I mean,
you can always buy it secondhand of a guy for
twenty bucks. If you want.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Jay Websey with two dollars says, just use game Fly
like me, what are you from twenty ten?

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Yeah, that's what I mean. There's all the ways. Yeah,
I think it is Craigslist.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
It's not going to work with the with the download disc, right,
will that even work?

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
I don't know what game fly is. I was just
agreeing with you. You don't know what gameplay is.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
I did a sponsor for them when my channel was
like baby brand New.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
That's what I'm saying, But that was it was a
physical exchange, mailing like Blockbusters.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Yeah, with mail Netflix, I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right. There's a lot of things in this stock
I want to talk about, but I do want to
touch on this I Justine thing because it's so funny
to me. If my laptop manages to make it and
I don't have to do a reset here, what number is?

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Just do control after type in, like Justine, I swear
things will start showing their faces.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
It's like eighteen nineteen. It's towards the bottom eighteen nineteen. No,
it's not anything extra I do on this lap. This
laptop is also going to need a set pretty much.
It's thirteen thirteen thirteen. All right, thank you so much
for that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
No problem. Let me see if I can bring this up.
This laptop might need a reset. Actually we need to
talk about something else. We're talking about all this money
you're going to spend. It's like, you need a laptop.
This laptops. I made a promise to Chat that I
would get a new laptop by this stream. To be fair,
these are both my laptops. This is my crap one.

(01:07:28):
But I went. I went, like a couple of days ago,
I went to Walmart to get a MacBook and they
were like, we don't sell MacBooks, and I was like, okay.
So I went to Target and they're like, yeah, we
don't sell MacBooks, but we have MacBook cases. And I
was like, what is happening? Yeah? Perfect, And I haven't
made it up the best, so MacBook, I don't know
what's happening. Yeah, this might need a whole reset. Oh great,

(01:07:49):
So I'm going to do that really quick, super fun.
Sorry about that last time it didn't take too long.
I'll talk about it though. Before we get the video,
A lot of you might have seen it. Sorry, I'll
pull it now. I feel I want to show the
video that I want to talk about it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
Yeah, maybe we can just do some super chats or something.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Yeah, hit me with some chat. Let's let let's take
a moment, talk to chat. Okay, hold on, hold on,
hit me with something that they're saying.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
Uh, okay, Well, people with the Switch to Mario Party
be able to play with Switch one Mario Party players.
That's also, I absolutely love the content.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Oh, thank you so much. I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
Five dollars from Cinnamon Bob.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
Those I love that name too. Those kind of questions
are all things that we're gonna have to wait and see.
I think unless Nintendo have specifically said I, if I
was to make a bold assumption and don't hold me
to it, I'd say yes. I mean, you probably would
be not able to play the extra DFC content, and
you probably wouldn't be able to do the extra minigames,
but I imagine so so.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
One thing I can confirm is remember the game sharing. Yeah,
if if the game I guess if the game works
on both systems. You can game share to a switch
one and I saw them playing Mario Party when they
were I'm sharing one person had to switch one.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
You could tell why the joy cards. Yeah, that makes
so that I can confirm.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
One of the other things about misinformation too, that was
going around and I put it in the thumbnaw so
before we talk about it was that. Uh well, I
think for the thumbnail, I wrote no data because I
I couldn't figure out what's actually right. But people were
thinking that the key carts were going to get locked.

(01:09:25):
Do I have that in the dock at all, that
key cuts were going to get locked to accounts? Uh? Yeah,
that I did. I definitely didn't post up. You can
maybe ask you no, it's updated windows. Uh yeah. That
was a thing going that the game key cards or
like game cards were going to get locked to your
account when you use them. And I think that has

(01:09:45):
been confirmed not to be true. I don't know if
that was like some more weird uh little tiny print
on something that someone read, but yeah, no, they won't.
The physical games will not be locked to your account.
I don't know where that came from.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
But uh there we got another one from five dollars,
uh leronor you're asking a dyslexic to read these, So
I apologize if I'm making your names messed up. But
for five dollars, says I'm going to keep it real.
This might be a PS three launch situation.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Yeah, you know about that one. No, please enlighten me.
It was one thousand dollars. Was it a thousand? It
was a thousand dollars. That is crazy it had. It
was one thousand dollars. It also had like full backwards
compatibility and some other things, and people were like, what
are you doing? So they stripped back the console, they
took out the backwards compatibility and some other things, and

(01:10:35):
then they re released it for like six hundred or something.
I don't remember what they did.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
It was still a crazy I remember it was still
a crazy price. And at the time though, wasn't it
like the cheapest Blu ray player though? Or am I crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Yeah? Yeah, it's always it's something weird, like I don't
know about at a thousand. Yeah, no doubt at a thousand.
But yeah. Another thing I saw as I'm still waiting
for my computer to reboot and update Windows is people saying,
I guess n video came out and said that the
chip they made for the switch to is worth like
one hundred and fifty bones or something, and so now

(01:11:11):
people are saying, oh, then the switch is probably only
going to cost like three hundred dollars to make, and
Nintendo could just not sell it at such a high price. Again,
I really don't think going after the console price is
the right idea. But also we don't know what it
costs them to make. We do know, as I learned
recently with the switch one, they actually were selling switch

(01:11:32):
ones at a profit. They were selling them. I don't
remember if it was like fifty dollars profit or something
they were making on each one, and they weren't taking
a loss on it. And it's most likely the case
here again, like I would I my guess would be
it probably cost three to fifty four hundred for them
to make a switch and then they're probably selling out
a profit at four point fifty and I don't think

(01:11:55):
that's that much of a problem. Like I think all
companies do one to be in a position where they're
selling stuff out of profit, and again not to be
a shill for them. The more money they make, the
more money they have to invest in products and time
and spending five years on development cycles and all of that,

(01:12:15):
and as long as the product is good and it's
worth that money. In today's economy, I don't think it's
that much of an issue.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
So I not to question your intelligence on marketing, but
I as a salesperson, I know that I think you're
vastly overestimating what cost is. I don't think that they
would I think this. I think they'd want to at
least make two fifty each console, like minimum. So I
think buying a bunch of those chips at bulk, you

(01:12:45):
know what I mean? You have to take into consideration
that they're probably buying them, well, then they're one hundred
and thirty each. If they're buying them at bulk, they're
probably only like sixty eighty for them because they're buying
so much.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
I mean, we're all guess, and you could be right.
I can't get wrong. Yeah, I know better, That's what
I meant. I don't think you are at least like that.
That's out. I'm glad that's out. I I'm only basing
this on what we know from Switch one and how
much profit they made on Switch one. Okay, So we
got another one that I think is kind of I
would like to still hit on that though. Sorry, I

(01:13:15):
would like to still continue that though. Continue Yeah, because
like if you're saying they're making like two hundred or more, yeah,
then that sounds like you think they're just selling the
chip because the chip's worth one fifty. What do you
think everything else is worth? Like the screen, the gyro,
the controllers, the NFC reader, the HD rumble, the no
for sure, yeah, I mean all that's got to be
worth more than fifty bucks. No, for sure. But I

(01:13:36):
mean they don't think they're making like two I just
don't think they're making two hundred dollars profit at four fifty.
I think that they are. I think that they're making
a lot of profit. You think they found a way
to make the switch too cheaper than the switch one?

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
You think, Well, that's what I'm saying is I don't
think that we know for how much they pay for
this the consoles.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
No, we don't, not at all.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
No, I think that if we do know switch one,
if you were to make the switch, you could probably
you know, you could probably make it for whatever price
you're saying. Now, I'm just saying that when you're Nintendo
and you're buying like millions of that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
You know that Xbox and PlayStations sell theirs at a loss. No,
I did not know that. Yeah, all other companies sell
their systems at a loss. It was a revelation to
me to find out that Nintendo makes about fifty bucks
off each switch. They actually sell them at a profit.
So if they found a way to make a couple
hundred bucks on a better system, they've got a well,
I guess they don't have to tell Sony an Xbox,

(01:14:35):
but yeah, they've definitely done something cool.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
I mean they are in Japan. I mean I find
that shocking, to be honest, from what I know about.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
Yeah, these companies I talk about a lot, but they
sell their systems at a loss because once you have it,
you have to buy games for it, and all of
the software is profit. Yeah, immediately, as soon as someone
subscribes to an online membership a game PA, they buy
a video game, they buy Halo, they buy Last of Us.
That's why these companies stop making that profit.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
But that's the thing is that, Okay, let's talk about
that with Nintendo. It's like, then, why is Mario Kart
eighty dollars because you could have just sold the console
for more or cheaper, or you know, tried to pin
agree with you on that. Yeah, yeah, I'm ned with
you on that. So somebody brought this up in super chat.
I just want to throw this at you real fast
while you're still loading stuff up. I'm almost munching munch lax.

(01:15:29):
Great name, nine dollars and ninety nine cents. I know
this is going to sound odd or old. I didn't
want to, by the way, before I get into this,
I had this up and I just was like, this
doesn't this is going to make it into the dock.
So I didn't put it into the dock. But they're saying,
I know this is going to sound old. But somebody
went on x and said that they had a source

(01:15:51):
that works at Nintendo say that there were managers meeting
tomorrow to discuss the price whether to stay at four
fifty this pre order news.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
That that does sound like my dad works at a
Nintendo situation exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
I didn't really think it was a reddit you know,
post or whatever, and I didn't really think it was
worth adding to the dock.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
But if someone find it, I'd love to see it. Yeah,
I can find it again. I think. All right, guys,
this laptop is doing my head in. So I'm just
gonna tell you what happened with I Justine, and you're
gonna have to go see my tweet. I wish I
could bring it up. It would be way better if
I could, but I can't because it's not working, and

(01:16:30):
I don't. I gotta get a new I gotta just
I gotta Amazon, especially before the tariffs get here. I
need to Amazon order a MacBook. If anyone, what's a
good MacBook? What one should I get? Books? In the
chat because they very impressed. I can't even see chat
because I can't pull anything up. Oh wait is it working? Oh?

(01:16:51):
I can type. I'm in I've hacked the main frame.
We're in, guys. Yes, I'm in Google Docs. I'm opening
which you say it was thirteen fourteen on I Justine,
you said Max, I don't know if that's the MacBook.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
Oo ooh ooh, yep, here we go. A lot of
people are saying air am four pro.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
Sorry for this dead ed, this is the this is
the worst part of the podcast. I won't be I
won't make it dead. Yeah, I'm going to make it dead.
I know we're both doing stuff, all right. I think
I've got it locked. You can cut to me. Locked.
There it is, guys. Oh, I just wanted to show
this before I spoke about it. Okay, here's a clip
of I Justine. If you haven't seen it, I want

(01:17:34):
to know what you think about it. It out.

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
I just got a chance to play the Memorial Park
World and it was.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
So much fun.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
But take a supposed to look at the Nintendo switch
to whip the display on.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Huge screen.

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
So fun, so crisp, so clean.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Oh it's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
What if I told you in that nineteen seconds there
were two things that pissed off gamers around the world
that she said.

Speaker 3 (01:18:02):
I would very much believe you because I know where
you're going with this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
I just love it. I'm gonna play it again because
if you don't know what happened, you might have missed it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
Can we get a T shirt that says that, Actually.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
No, because I think it's insane that people are making
fun of her for this. See if you can pick
the two moments, check it out. I just got to
do you know, both moments. I think so.

Speaker 4 (01:18:26):
Play the Memorial Part World, and it was so much fun.
But take a supposed to look at the Nintendo switch
to with the display.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
On, huge screen.

Speaker 4 (01:18:38):
So fun, so crisp, so clean.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
You know, I don't know why you're laughing. Are you
laughing at how ridiculous it is that people got upset.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
I'm laughing at the meme mobility of it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Okay, I will say, what are the two moments?

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
You think the two moments are when she says, with
the display on is number one?

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
It's not? And then number two it's not. But it
could have been It could have been anything. Okay, So
it could have been her breathing. Okay, and well.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
Too, I know, and everybody keeps saying it in the chat.
It's so crisp, so clean, so fun.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
Can we get a T shirt that says that, come on,
that's great?

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
No, because I'm not. I'm not in the habit of
making fun of people for saying something completely normal. All right.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
It's just a mean thing. I don't know if I'm
making I'm laughing with her.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
The thing is no one else is people are making
fun of her and people I feel like it's extremely sexist.
But you can cut away from this for a second. Yeah,
So the first thing was people say had an issue
with her saying the new Mario cart World.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
Oh that's that, Okay, come on, guys, because.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
It's not the new Mario cart World. It's a new
Mario cut There's not been a new Mario cut World. Yeah. Yeah,
so that's the first thing people are saying, why she
even there? Yeah, that's yeah, the whole thing is insane. Secondly,
I'm sorry. That screen is fun. Yeah, that is a bright,
popping LCD HDR screen that I'm gonna get to play

(01:20:14):
Breath of the Wild Tears of the Kingdom on and
see these games come to life, Like I was legitimately
playing Tears of the Kingdom on that screen, seeing like
the glow of the sun come through, and I thought,
I'm having fun. And that fun playing that old game
was because of what the screen was doing. The screen
was making the game more fun and more enjoyable for me.

(01:20:37):
So one I understood what she meant, and two people
are like, why she even there? Like what kind of
review is this? Like isn't she a tech reviewer. She's
at the press event and someone pulled out a phone
and she said something, this isn't like she's gone home
and she wrote a script and she's done a whole breakdown,

(01:20:59):
and she used the word fun to describe the experience
of the screen, which, to be fair, whatever, if that's
her experience with the screen, she just said fun while
she was standing there in a ten second clip. Yeah,
I mean, like I said. And and by the way,
this is what was quoted. This is access media with
toxic positivity rolled into one twenty second clip. Did you

(01:21:21):
get any of that? Yeah, toxic positivity? What does that
even mean? I'm here playing the new Mario cut world.
The fun the screen is so fun, so clean, so crisp, toxic.

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
Yeah, I don't. I just like, I just like that saying.
I think it's a great saying.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
Sure, I don't. I I don't think anyone would have
given two squats a piss if this was Marcus Brownlee
or Casey Nysat or anybody that has said that they
had fun with that screen personally.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
I will, you know what, I will have to agree
with you there. I think that is a huge part
of it. Thateople like to make fun of girl gamers
or whatever. They're just gamers at the end of the day.
But yeah, I just I think that I think that
they would have. I think people would always be there
to give anybody a home. Can I just because you
thought it was hilarious? I want to on a couple

(01:22:15):
of things off of you go for it? The joy
cons when you play emotional controls? Could could that be fun?

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Uh? Yes? Okay, so you could describe that as fun? Yeah?
What about using the microphone to talk to your friends
that's built in? Could you describe that as a fun? Time?
Would be fun? Was this grilling Max time? No? No,
I'm using you as a sounding board. I'm not trying
to be mean to you. No, I'm proposing it to
the audience. Why can't it be fun? Why can't any

(01:22:44):
part of this be fun? Even Nintendo thinks their new
gimmick this time is their one hundred and twenty frame
screen because they put a mini game for that into
their new pack in game, I feel like getting to
play Tiss of the Kingdom in one hundred and twenty
frames is an element of fun that the screen is providing.
The screen is fun.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Can I say something that I think they made such
a nitpick?

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
I think Can I say something that I think they
may have made an error with when inviting some of
these people. Sure, and this is just my opinion, but
I think that the switch to on first glance on
or even somebody seeing it that isn't a hardcore switch fan,
they might not be able to see the difference of

(01:23:28):
the Switch one to the Switch one, at least right away.
You know, maybe better screen, but you know, you got
the O lead, you know what I'm saying. So I
think that they, like you said, it was off the rip,
somebody just jumped in their face. Maybe it was difficult
for them to differentiate to like in ten seconds or
however long the TikTok.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
Maybe, but I agree with everything she said, so, like
what makes her or eye so different in that way?

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
It was tense?

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Oh she said was here's the new Mario cut. The
screen is so clean, crisp and fun. Yeah. Basing on that,
You're like, she's never seen a switch one.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
No, I'm saying that she may have ran out of
things to be like, how do I differentiate these this
from the switch one on just first glance?

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
Yeah, I'm maybe or maybe I mean, like because.

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
When you got there you knew about the four K
you knew about but like new features, she did it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
I think this is irrelevant. I mean cut back to
the clip just for a second. Yeah, so she's here,
she's just talking about it quickly.

Speaker 4 (01:24:30):
Chris so clean.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
Oh, it's beautiful, beautiful, she likes it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
I cannot wait for juni feb.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
And then she just puts it down and she like
walks away like this isn't a this is this is
a nothing video. Yeah, And I'm not to her discredit
it's just not it's not her content. It's not what
she's like gone home and made about this. It's like
someone filmed her while she was there, and that's what
she said off the top of her head. Yeah, you

(01:24:59):
could have had the same video of me, Like if
you were a fan of me and you noticed me
when I was there, and you just pulled out your
phone your camera and you were like, say something about it.
What Am I going to give you a whole breakdown?
Am I going to give you the pros and cons
and how it compares to the first one? Do you
got ten minutes? Let me let me get to the
bottom of this. No, I'm gonna be like, yeah, it's great.
The screen's really crisp. That's probably even what I said

(01:25:21):
to people that were asking me questions while I was there.

Speaker 3 (01:25:25):
Yeah, I mean I don't know how to Yeah, I
don't know how to defend this, this kind of making
fun of I mean, I think that it's just a
small little tongue in cheek kind of laugh. But you know,
I'm not I don't think that this discredits her. I
think it's just, you know, it's just kind of somebody
talking about I think.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
Okay, all right, you know what I mean. I think
maybe like the the the conversation in the room is different.
I'm trying to talk about, like if you go to
this thread, and I didn't want to highlight them too
much because I don't want to give them too much publicity.
But people like they're making like multiple podcast episodes about it,
and I was mentioned in it for defending her, and

(01:26:06):
they were making fun of miss Click for defending her,
and all these comments and replies are like, you know,
laughing at her or like saying that she shouldn't have
gone and blah blah blah blah. So to me, it
doesn't feel like a tongue in cheek. Oh that's a
mimorable little moment. It's shitting on her. Like, I don't
know how else to say it really, But I don't

(01:26:27):
know if you okay, fair, I hope she doesn't go
to the next one. I mean, is that the official
stance of the show or I mean I didn't say that,
you said it. I don't know. I don't know what's
happening anymore. I stand with I Justine. I think it's

(01:26:49):
absolutely insane that people made fun of that. That is,
I saw nothing wrong with what she said. I honestly
had to watch it like ten times the first time
I saw the clip to figure out what people were
upset about. And I think the backlash that she got
for that clip is unjustified. I think, I think, yeah,
I agree in my in my opinion, I.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
Want to also say that I think some sort of
backlash is crazy. I think that, you know, we can
have a little laugh about it, but some sort of
like trying to like attack this person on what they
do for a living is crazy. But what else do
we got in the doc?

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
I don't know. I got to reset everything, so that's
the only thing I managed to pull up. Really, chat thoughts,
could we get a vibe? Do you want to do
a poll? Chat?

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
Uh that that's going to be a crazy ask for me.
Because I'm not on I'm watching it the regular way chat. Sorry,
I'm trying to get trying to get your comments up.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
I can't find the stream. Now all right, I got it?
Why is it I want saying? Batman? Uh? They're calling
you batman for defending.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Me?

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
Yeah? Okay, cool? Where are the drugs going?

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
Yeah? I mean well, no, I don't want to move on? Then?
Do people? Are people actually mad with her? Like is is? No?
I think a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
I honestly think that a lot of people in the
chat are agreeing with you. I just think that maybe
they think that she you don't need you don't need
to defend this.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
Uh okay, sure, Okay. To be honest, I was planning
on going into it and just like looking at my
tweet and talking about how silly it is. I didn't expect.
I didn't expect pushback in the room.

Speaker 3 (01:28:59):
Yeah, it's definitely that chat is kind of pushing us back,
for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
Okay, I didn't. I didn't mean chat. Oh, I didn't
expect you all push back in the room.

Speaker 3 (01:29:08):
I'm not pushing I'm not pushing you back. I agree
with you. I I'm doing some self reflection in my
mind as well. That's probably why I'm quiet where I'm like,
would I laugh at this if if Casey nice Stat
said the same exact thing, I truly think I would.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
But I think what happened in the room is that
I was involved in a ton of tweets and people
uh going in on her and then pulling me into
it and the drama around how mean and toxic people
are being. Yeah, and then I was trying to go
in with that and you were just laughing at the

(01:29:42):
funny little thing she said and didn't realize about all
that other stuff that's been happening on Twitter.

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
Yeah, I was innocently laughing at the little quote at
the end.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
I wasn't. I mean, yeah, I'm not. I'm not making
fun I'm laughing wet man. I don't care. I don't care.
I like that Justine. It's dumb. It's dumb that people
are making fun of her for that clip, Like if you,
if you, I don't even. I don't get it new.
Oh no, it's not New Mario. Cut World, It's it's

(01:30:12):
just New Mario. So silly.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
That is such a silly thing to like dig in
on somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
I'm not even I'm not even Batman, because what Batman
doesn't even do that. I'm just a white knight at
this point. Just get me some armor and I'll wear
it proudly. Yeah, all right, I thought that clip was insane.
If you guys don't, then that's fine. That's whatever. We'll
go back to talking about Nintendo. Yeah. I mean I
think that there's just a few bad apples. Batman mask,

(01:30:40):
I got a spider Man outfit.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
Yeah, you could, You're spider Man. Spider Man, guys, be
spider Man. I could put that on. I think that
people agree with us.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
Most of you. TikTok clip is me in a Spider
Man outfit, So really I should put it back on
and rehab the conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
We should just change this to a Nintendo in a
Marvel themed podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
And I love you, by the way. By the way,
I just I just didn't know what was happening. I
was very confused.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
No, I because because I was laughing about it, and
because you seemed.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
You that you hate women, so I was.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
Please don't do this, guys. I love all girls. All
all women's are queens, okay, all of them.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
Uh No, I mean I think I was laughing at it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
But I feel like you were actually offended by it,
and so I feel like I didn't know as much
as you know of offended.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
What maybe offended? Is it the That's how it was.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
Coming across you were maybe more. You saw more anger
in the chat while I saw harmless meming. You know
what I mean, I shouldn't say chat, I should say
X on Twitter and whatever. Okay, our chat is lovely
and they're great, and I, like I said, most people
agree with us. I just got a yes, queen, just

(01:32:00):
this whole pot out of the episode. No, I'm making
it two tiktoks out of this.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
Actually, yeah, sure, I swipe back into with them.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
Ah, family friendly neighborhood, nontendo, I don't even know where
we were.

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
Oh can I try and sell something now? Is this
a good time? This is a great time to sell something. No,
it feels like a bad transition. That was just the
next thing I saw in the doc game co compatibility. Uh,
don't downplay I don't know what that means.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
Uh, don't downplay your h that that was them saying
that you got invited.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
Oh would you're a great YouTuber? Oh yeah, let's go
back to defending me after that maybe not, maybe not?

Speaker 3 (01:32:52):
Are you let's talk about the the AI quake too,
that Jeff, No.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
That's start boring. Okay, sorry about that of you being right?
Do you want to go to those that's ten and eleven? Sure, sure,
I can't. I'm trying to find a good transition and nothing.
Nothing's hitting right. But the comparison and graphics of Peach
number three, that is cool. Let's do that. Yeah, here

(01:33:25):
it is. What do you what do you want? Is
the vibe killed? I mean, the ViBe's a little killed,
but we'll find it. It's gonna take time, but we'll
find it. I'm having a great time. I'm having a
great time. I don't know what just happened, and I'm honestly,
I am shocked at the response from the community. If
the response was what I think it was when I

(01:33:45):
looked over, No, it's it's not just I don't know
what's happening. No, it's not like that. It's not like that.
I can tell you. First, I thought that was going
to be such a nothing conversation and we would just
laugh at people making fun of her for saying New
Mario cart World and saying that a screen was fun.
I think that it was then, and I saw what
looked like a bunch of people being like agreeing with

(01:34:07):
the other way.

Speaker 3 (01:34:07):
No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Okay. I think that,
like I said, I think it was nothing conversation. I
think people just wanted to move on. And I think
even the people that like were laughing at her were
just like, you don't need.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
To talk about this. Okay. I wanted to, but I mean,
it's your show. You can do whatever. The hell? Yeah,
this is this is it speaking of women? This is
means because queens the old Mario cott World and then
here's the new Mario Catt World. I just realized what

(01:34:39):
you did there. That's why I'm laughing. I mean to
do any kind of justifying here on how much better
this game actually does. Look, that's Mario Catt eight Deluxe,
and this is Mario cott World.

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
Yeah, but is that Mario Kart eight Deluxe worth eighty
five years ago?

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
Eight years ago? Whenever? I'm just looking at two pictures
of Peach and seeing that one much, That's what I
was looking at, Yes, Queen, all right, next, Oh we
should just find the whole conversation of what of this episode?
I don't know how to how do you get to

(01:35:14):
the episode from the clip? Watchful videos down there? All right,
all right, you can hit play. This is on a
specific moment. We could find more, but and shout out
to Tim, who we love so dearly, by the way,
come back. He should. If you go back and watch

(01:35:34):
this episode, Tim and I have a half an hour
long debate about whether or not the switch to will
be four K sixty, with me saying it is so
obviously going to be and him kind of laughing at
me the whole time. It's pretty funny to go back
and watch. With all the love and respect in the world,

(01:35:57):
I'm not worried about it not looking four K sixty.
Four K sixty, No, man, no turn it up.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
That doesn't happen. I just don't nah nah, four K
thirty sure.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
Okay, Oh so you are willing to believe four K
just not sixty.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
Oh no, that's my thing, this or that, it's just
not both.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
You don't think. I mean, there's no shot. Okay, there's
no shot. I think I'm gonna say this right now,
there's no shot. The next Maria Cutt isn't four K sixty.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
I think you're crazy to say love that shot and
with the AI that does change things. But like even then.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
I just I struggle to believe the next eight, like
a new console no matter who it is, could come
out in twenty twenty five and be locked at ten
ADP and I feel.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
Like, I mean, it wouldn't be locked.

Speaker 1 (01:36:49):
Well yeah, but then if you're saying that we could
go up, I'd say two K four K to then say, okay,
Maria Cutt eight was sixty frames, but we're going back
to thirty like that?

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
Just do it all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
No, I feel like it's such a bad look. It's
such a bad look. And I don't the little leg
mule like, oh, look, another another eight years of a
of a console that you don't need to buy, and
I'm happy on my PlayStation, like Nintendo. Nintendo needs to
prepare yourself, bro, prepare yourself. Now. You might have been

(01:37:21):
right about that, but not for the reason that he thought, yeah, yeah, yeah,
little does he know he's right. This whole conversation is
pretty good. At one point I even said, uh, I
even said like, haities two will probably come to switch
and be four K sixty and stuff like that, and
he's just like, oh, I don't I don't know what
to tell you. I know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
I also, I just think that a lot of people
were just so you know, they they they look at
the switch compared to like the PS five, and they're like,
there's no way the next thing is going to be
even close, even compared.

Speaker 1 (01:37:55):
It always made so much sense to me, Like we
we had ten eighty piece six with Mario Kart. You
can't do a new Mario Kart and not go up.
And what is up? I mean, if you move sixty up,
it's one twenty, which I never thought was going to happen.
So you move up the ten eighty and then you
get where you get four k unless you want a

(01:38:17):
half asset and find somewhere in the middle at two
k like ten years later from that Mario Kart. Yeah,
I thought it would be four K sixty. There are
so many good clips. That whole part is pretty good.
Someone spamming raised the price in chat Yeah yeah, uh.

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
Of what of everything? They want they want it more,
They want to pay Nintendo more.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
This is going to hell because the whole thing has
gone to hell. Ah, sure you can, you can a
great time. How any messages is Kim going in the
labor yet I get out of here? Are we not
in an hour? What are we at?

Speaker 4 (01:39:02):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
Chat? Oh? We all were like, well over, we're at
two and a half hours.

Speaker 3 (01:39:06):
No, we're not what we started at three.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
It's almost five. Oh my god, give me some food, please? Chat?
What's the vibe you want me to end? You want
me to just get out of him with the vibes
like this?

Speaker 3 (01:39:19):
I think the vibes are great. I think you're just
feeling some weirdness between me and you. But I'm having
a great time.

Speaker 1 (01:39:27):
I I just want to watch it back because I
don't know what happened, I don't know where we where,
We decinct and we went awry? Who was we be?

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
And you?

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
Yeah, you just said this weirdness between us. No, you
just said there was no. I meant you just said
you're feeling weirdness between us.

Speaker 3 (01:39:46):
I'm saying you're feeling weirdness between us, but we're doing good.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
That's what I said. Okay, okay, good, I'm glad we're
doing good.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
You have you ever played that game where you try
to like you say this, you say a word at
the same time and then we try to sync up.
We should play that game. I think it would help
this this dynamic. Okay, do you know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
So you count to three and then.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
You say any word at all, and then we try
to it. We try to link up and then connect
that word to another word.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
Do we say the words the same time? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:40:21):
So for example, said you say you said toothbrush, and
then I said windshield or something. Right, then we would
go both be like I would think bathroom mirror and
then hopefully you would also think bathroom mirror, and that's
how we would get or we would get to mirror.

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
You know what I mean. No, I don't get it,
but let's try it. If you don't understand the game,
how are we gonna play? No, well, give us I'll
figure it out on the fly. So three two one
we say the same thing. No, yeah, yeah, we were
locked in. We're locked in, all right, let's do it.
Count okay, three to one? Fun brush okay, fun toothbrush? Okay, Okay,

(01:40:55):
are you thinking of a word? Oh, we have to
be thinking of the same word. Okay, that's what we're
doing right now. We're locking in where our minds are conjointed.
I'm trying. I'm gonna try it. So fun and toothbrush? Yeah,
we gotta think of something. You can describe a toothbrush
that way. Come on, let's say it. Three two one okay,
three to one? Oh, I was gonna go electric? Okay,

(01:41:18):
what's fun about cleaning? Where do we go from here?
What do you do now that we keep going? We
keep going until we lock in, until we say the same.
It could take forever. So fun electric clean toothbrush?

Speaker 3 (01:41:29):
No, now, we're just doing clean and electric? Oh so okay, yeah,
all right, I got one.

Speaker 1 (01:41:37):
So three two one energy?

Speaker 3 (01:41:40):
Oh see we're so this is the music because I'm
thinking it's electric?

Speaker 1 (01:41:46):
Okay, all right, so music and energy okay, okay, yeah, yeah,
Wait where are we at now? Music and energy? Oh?
Come on, we got this one. This one's this one's there?

Speaker 3 (01:41:57):
You feel it? Music and energy? Do you feel it?
I'm telepathic. I don't know what to use, but then
it's not Then don't use that word. It's a simple word.
Connect with me.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
Okay, three to one? Dancing? What did you say? Gig?
Music and energy? Go to energy? Well, music and energy?
What's the energy is dancing? I don't always dance when
I hear music Okay, is this fun for people? We
gotta get we gotta we gotta get through it. Dance
and gig, dance and gig.

Speaker 3 (01:42:32):
I don't even know if I could bring us back
from this dance and gig. Let's try one more time
and then maybe we should start over. If the order
just we'll start. We got to get it, okay, three
two one musical rock musical?

Speaker 1 (01:42:52):
What I can't think of one? I feel like we're
so close rock musical. Yeah, we just going to pick
a rock musical.

Speaker 3 (01:42:57):
Yeah, but we have to can't communicate it. We have
to telepathically. I feel like you and Ham would be
better at this any rock music me neither.

Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
Let's just think of a musical. Okay, we can do
we can do this all musical musical. Three to one.
Book God, why were you do that? One? Wicked though?

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
One?

Speaker 1 (01:43:19):
Right now now we're wicked and book a Mormon. We're screwed.

Speaker 3 (01:43:24):
We can't go anywhere. I think we're screwed. All right,
we'll get it. We'll get it one of these days.
We'll get it one of these days.

Speaker 1 (01:43:37):
They are so out of sink now, I know I
made it worse.

Speaker 3 (01:43:40):
Yeah, I feel like you're supposed to start over after
a little while.

Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
I apologize for the vibes. I mean, I do when
I don't. I stand by everything that I said, but
I'm sorry that it went awry. We have been live
for two and a half hours, though usually it's an
hour long short, and we have to do a bonus
for the patreons because you're already behind on one bonus,
and I was also supposed to we're only doing one
bonus again. I don't know what to tell you. We're
going too long. I was also gonna show you my

(01:44:09):
satisfied grip, but that doesn't matter if you're not coming
into the bonus episode. I posted a YouTube video today,
like an actual like beat them ups video, and I
put too much work into it. I put a stupid
amount of work into it. So if you could check
that out, I'd really appreciate it. Do we have super.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
Chats to hit?

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:44:32):
No? I think we talked about the ones that talk
about the grip. Ummm, talk about your grip. I'll get out. Guys,
we're not fighting.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
I don't know why, but people think that you're really
cruel to us and we're like living one.

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
I get this one got weird this one, I understand
now every other one. I always get really annoyed when
people say comments about how I'm acting in the episode. Yeah,
this one actually got weird.

Speaker 3 (01:44:57):
Did you get Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:44:58):
It was immed. No you, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna
say again what happened? Okay, I'm gonna break it down. No,
I'm gonna break it down in the timeline of events.
So I know, I saw the I Justine tweet. Yeah,
I watched it like ten times. I couldn't figure out
what she had said. Then people went on to make

(01:45:21):
a bunch of video podcasts and videos just talking about
how she shouldn't have gone, she shouldn't have been invited.
She know, she was talking about how could she call
it fun? And I was like, what is happening? So
I retweeted it and I was like, why are we
making fun of this? Like I would have used the
same terminology, and I agree it was fun. Then those
people went live again made podcasts calling me out and
miss clickout, which is a friend of mine, and saying

(01:45:44):
that I was a Nintendo ambassador, so of course I'm
running defense for Nintendo, and like all the influences are
running defenseman Nintendo and then people were in the comment
saying like he was definitely invited and you can tell.
So then I got roped into all the crap that
she was getting roped into. So I was like, Okay,
when I go on my podcast, I just want to
point this out and how is this?

Speaker 3 (01:46:04):
And then you you will piss you I've pissed.

Speaker 1 (01:46:09):
No, you thought that it was like a little meme
thing that we were going to laugh at, I think
in a nice way, in like, in a lighthearted way.
You thought it was going to be like a oh,
she said, fun. Isn't that like KITCHI? Yeah, I guess
I didn't do my own research. No, you didn't have to.
I didn't set it up right more angry. I jumped
right into the video without any explanation for you, and

(01:46:33):
we weren't in sync with how like I've kind of
just been fed up with it. And then I was like,
why are you laughing? I'm trying to be fed up
with it, And then I was trying to explain it
to you, and like then I was getting frustrated, and
then it got to the point where it felt like
I was overman explaining and batmanning and White nighting because
I was trying to bring you into like this whole

(01:46:53):
thing that's been happening online when it wasn't supposed to
be that whole thing. And then I got frustrated, admittedly
at you, but it's not your fault. It's just you're
the guy in the room that I was like, Okay,
now this is getting weird, but I'm not upset with you,
if that makes sense. No, I believe you. I'm not
upsetting there. So that's what happened. And then I was like, Okay,
this whole thing's gone to shit. And then I looked

(01:47:15):
at the chat and everyone was saying Batman, which at
that point I was. I was in full cape and
armor and I was about to jump from a tall
building to save a woman in distress. So at that
point I was like okay, yeah, and I just leaned
in because I'm like, yeah, I'm Batman. But I was
also like, oh, does chat also think this other way?
So now I've just opened up a whole can of
worms and the vibe just went to shit because of me,

(01:47:37):
not because of you.

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
I think the vibe is great. I'm still having a
great time. Does that make sense? I think I was
just yeah, I think I was just trying to mask
a ybe.

Speaker 1 (01:47:47):
No I quit. Everybody's like, he's not coming back. He's
not coming back. This is the last time we see Max.
No I need you back, especially because I don't think
Ham's here next week either. He's telling I don't know
if we ever said, but he's in Japan. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
Ham is in Japan right now. And that's why I'm here,
and that's why I'm ruining, ruining the show. My vibes
are killing the show.

Speaker 1 (01:48:05):
But I do stand by what I said. She just
said it. She said it was a new Mario card game.
It's it is the new Mario card World one and two.
The screen is fun.

Speaker 3 (01:48:13):
Can I also say that? I also stand by what
you say. I think it's ridiculous to make like such
a big deal out of this, to be angry. I
do think it sounds what I.

Speaker 1 (01:48:24):
Shouldn't have even mentioned. It's because I think it's because
I shouldn't have mentioned the woman thing. I also I
shouldn't even have said that. Yeah, maybe because I shouldn't
even put that on her, let alone everything else. I
do think that's what the issue was for those people.
But I shouldn't have mentioned it. My point is I've
I know I've said the same thing. I know I've

(01:48:45):
called the screen fun. I know i've said fun. People
don't get mad when I say it. So I was like,
why are you getting mad when she says it? Oh,
I wonder why that was what? That was my thing.
I shouldn't even have mentioned that.

Speaker 3 (01:48:55):
I feel like that's what gets the ball rolling. I
will say that. I feel like if Casey Unitestat or
someone else that isn't known for being a video gamer
said something similar, we would have got a similar troll.

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
But I think what starts the bandwagon of hate. I
watched Casey nic SAT's video. He even said like, I
don't know what this thing is.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
Like.

Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
His whole thing was like, I'm not a guy. His
whole video about the switch to experience was about how
he was upset at how hard it was to record
anything in the room because the room was dark. He
fairly even cared about the switch too. Yeah, you know,
I don't even know. Honestly, Casey's like, seems like a
really nice guy and he lives in New York. But
other than just being an influencer with a lodge following,

(01:49:36):
I don't know why he was there, but nobody mentions that.

Speaker 3 (01:49:41):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that it's just like
I said, I think it's less less loud.

Speaker 1 (01:49:46):
Why wasn't I there, that's my question. You were there,
but I wasn't invited to be He wasn't invited. Guys,
we can we get out of here. I would. What
are you doing trying to end? You won't let me
get fired?

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
Guys, I'm getting fired. This is it. This is my
last episode.

Speaker 1 (01:50:04):
Maybe you should just do the show next week. All right,
I'm gonna start. I'm starting the music. Thanking to the
Patreon so much for being here and being a part
of this mega long episode, megal long. That might not
be mega long if I cut it down, viewers dropped

(01:50:24):
to two point nine and two point two in minutes.
Yet we don't go two and a half hours, and
we never have over two thousand people watching, so it's
still really good. It's a switch to screen glass or plastic.
I actually don't know. I didn't I didn't test it.
Should have tapped it. I should have tapped it. I
didn't think about that. Actually, we only got to hold
the switch very like for as long as I Justine

(01:50:45):
held it was about as long as we actually got
to hold the switch other than when I played Breath
of the Wild. I got it for like five minutes.
But I was so busy trying to like film Breath
of the Wild that I didn't think about it. I
read some of these super chats in the in the
Patreon if we even make it there. I love you guys,
like comment. Make sure to rate it so high. Rate

(01:51:07):
this episode like five stars. Why wouldn't you? It was
the best. It was the best episode ever. But it's
the second best the Max has been in It's pretty high.
I've been in many episodes in the house. I was
trying to make a joke, all right, and if I could,
if I could tell you anything about this episode, it
was clean, it was crisp, and boy was it was fun.

(01:51:32):
I might have to put that on a shot after all.

Speaker 3 (01:51:34):
Bye, guys,