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Speaker 1 (00:12):
I'm Edward October. The sound you hear is midnight in
the powder room at the historic Club Parie. This is
the start of October. Pod. Don't worry, I'm not actually
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inside a women's powder room. I am only narrating. Since
it opened as a burlesque house in nineteen thirty three,
the gay and sophisticated Club Parie has always been one
of the most elegant night spots in this city, a
city which I will not name, by the way, though
it is one of the most glamorous destinations in North America.
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Like many historic night clubs, the Club Pary began as
a brothel, and like all historic brothels, the Gaiety, which
would later become Club Pari, had a dark past. Established
in eighteen sixty three, the Gaiety was a hotel and
saloon that catered to workers from nearby mining camps. It
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quickly earned a name as a house of ill repute,
which offered liquor and gambling downstairs and loose women upstairs.
One of the sex workers at the Gaiety was a
woman whose real name has been forgotten by time, but
who is now known only as Madame Burlesca. Legend has
it that she quarreled with one of her clients, a
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bandit running from the law and posing as a miner, who,
after refusing to pay for her services, took his deer
knife and skinned Madam Berleska's face clean off. She eventually
died of blood loss and infection, but her killer was
never caught. In the years that followed, the ladies of
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the night working the Gaiety would often claim they'd seen
the ghost of a strange, faceless woman, presumably Madam Burlesca,
in the still hours of the night. The ghost was
always crying, lamenting the loss of her face and wanting
to be beautiful once more. According to the legend, if
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you are a beautiful woman and see the ghost of
Madame Burleska in the mirror, she will snatch you up
and steal your face. Even today, patrons of the Club Peri,
patrons who have had no knowledge of its past as
the Gaiety, have reported sightings of a faceless, crying woman.
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Many of the sightings have occurred in this very powder
room in which Madame Burlesca serviced her customer. No such
spectral face swappings have yet occurred, as far as we know,
but this does have. But this place does have a
reputation of women fainting and experiencing severe bouts of hysteria
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or fright. In nineteen ninety six, a patron of this
club is said to have had a psychotic break in
the powder room, during which she smashed all of the mirrors,
badly cutting her hand in the process, and screaming, I
need to put on my face. There have been more
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than a few women who've attempted or completed suicide and
acts of self harm within these walls, and all of
them were perfectly healthy, saying seemingly well adjusted and stunningly
beautiful angenouze in their twenties. The legend of Madame Burlesca
is one of the many tales attempting to explain the
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link between the monsters and the beautiful. During the intermission,
I'll speak with carrisavickis a YouTuber and podcaster who knows
all about the ugly things people do for beauty. But
for now, special guest host Autumn of the podcast Autumnsodities
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has something really groovy and extra spooky to share with you. You're
listening to October pod a m keep it.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Right here, Hey, Hey, Welcome back to Autumn's Oodities. I'm
autumn today. I would like to tell you the tale
of a woman minding her own business in the woods,
and you can probably guess what happened. She became the
town scapegoat, and eventually the hysteria and ignorance of her
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neighbors took her life. Meade County, Kentucky is a small
hamlet that packs a massive supernatural punch In terms of
dark tourism. This county boasts everything from sightings of bigfoot giants,
a headless horseman, mysterious ruins, and of course, a witch
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whose ghost still haunts the woods. If you ask someone
what they think of when they hear the word witch,
you know you're probably going to get a similar image
old haggard, ugly, she's got a bent nose with some
warts on it. Maybe she's got a broomstick and a
bub all female. But how accurate is this stereotype? Witchcraft,
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as we know from the episode that I did on
witch Trials, was a crime in Europe during what is
generally referred to as the Early Modern period, that is,
the fifteenth, sixteenth, and seventeenth centuries. Different countries enacted different
laws to deal with witches, but for the most part.
By the mid sixteenth century, witchcraft was a secular crime,
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one that could be punished by imprison and pillory or execution.
During this period, approximately ninety thousand people were formally accused
of witchcraft, and about half of this number were executed.
So that's forty five thousand people executed after being accused
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of witchcraft or being a witch. So where do women
come in, Well, it depends on what country you were in,
but on the whole, women made up the vast majority
of those accused and executed. In England, it's estimated that
women made up approximately ninety percent of the accused. In
the largely German speaking Holy Roman Empire, this number was
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seventy six percent, in Hungary ninety percent. Again, in Switzerland,
which you know is supposed to be neutral, ninety five percent,
and in parts of France seventy six percent. There are
exceptions to this trend, though in Iceland women made up
only eight percent of the accused, and low figures can
also be seen in Russia thirty two percent and Estonia
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forty percent, so their equal opportunity accusers. But for the
most part, and especially in Western Europe, women were far
more likely to be accused of witchcraft than men. Witches
were generally defined as people who made a pact with
the devil in exchange from magical power to commit evil acts.
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They were believed to be in league with the devil,
meeting with him at nighttime. Sabbaths pledge homage, engage in
lurid sex, kill children, and mame pregnant women. They were
also believed to make men impotent. Is that what we're
gonna blame it on in some cases by actually stealing
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their genitals and like hanging them on trees, Dixon balls
on trees. Can you think of anything more horrifying? I can't.
As we well know from the Salem witch trials arguably
the most famous witch trials in the United States. Anyone,
and I mean anyone could be accused of witchcraft, and
then the burden once you were accused fell to that
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person to prove their innocence, which was typically a double
edged sword, a task designed to fail. You know, they
did the old water test. It's like, if we throw
you in the water and you don't drown, you're a witch.
So we're gonna kill you because you're a witch. But
if we throw you in the water and you do drown,
then you are innocent, but you're also dead. So again,
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it's a task that is designed to fail. And in
Salem they also did. I believe it was the reading
of Bible verses. If a witch read a Bible verse,
there would be some sort of physical pain or something
visible on her body that would happen for you know,
her hubris in reading the Holy Bible. Anyone could accuse
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their neighbor of being a witch, and the accused were
guilty until proven innocent. That is, of course, if you
made it to any sort of trial before you were killed.
And that was the very unfortunate fate of a beautiful, intelligent,
gentle twenty two year old woman from Meade County, Kentucky,
in August of eighteen forty. In eighteen eighteen, Leah Smock
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was born near Battletown, and according to legend, her natural
abilities could be used to cure the sick and see
the future. She was said to be a beautiful and
intelligent woman with dark hair and eyes, and many believed
she had the second sight. And the only reason I'm
commenting on her looks is I believe that made her
more of a target. During the eighteen hundreds. Of course,
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being beautiful and intelligent was already a threat, but add
a strong intuition and that made her a triple threat
to those around her. And of course the W word
started flying around. They're like, oh, she's a witch. That
combined with her alleged ability to to see the future
and natural herbal healing, you know, put them together in
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what do you got? Burning Battletown in Mead County has
nothing to do with war, as the name might imply,
and instead refers to quote an afternoon, long and inconclusive
fistfight between two residents happens every day. That was either
about the name of the post office or maybe a woman.
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Lapland in Mead County boasts a rich and haunting history
that reaches back to seven thousand BC when it was
inhabited by Native Americans. In Mead County, there were no
indigenous inhabitants, though instead it held sacred significance as a
hunting ground and burial site. The land was deeply revered
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and its care was a matter of great importance. In
the heart of the county stood a sacred oak tree,
its colossal branches reaching towards the heavens. This tree said
to be the dwelling place of the spirits and a
portal to another realm. It was beneath the shade of
the tree that the Cherokee gathered to share their stories
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and pass on their timeless wisdom, and it was on
this sacred land that Leah's family made their home. The
oldest of three children, Leah finished school early because she
had already surpassed her teacher's knowledge. The teachers like, I
can't teach you nothing else. Get on out of here.
You're making me feel stupid. She went on to learn
from her own environment, which included ways in which livestock
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and other animals could die from eating poisonous plants, and
she tried to warn the people around her, but of
course they refused to listen. They were like, you're a woman.
They're like, why are all of our cows dying? We
don't know. Despite the town being suspicious of Leah, she
did have some close friends, and it was even rumored
that she was in love. In the later summer of
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eighteen forty, Leah spent her days wandering the dark lap
land woods in what is now Meade County. Like I said,
she had a Native American friend named Indian Joe. Don't
love that? Who made her a walking stick with the
head of a snake coming out of the top, which
will come up again later. Some believe Joe taught her
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which plants had healing properties, as was taught by the
Cherokee that remained in the area after the Indian Removal
Act of eighteen thirty. Wow, what a lovely whitewashing of
a fucking genocide. I mean, that's what that was. They
marched Indigenous people to random places in the middle of nowhere,
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stole their ancestral and sacred land, and they're like, let's
just call it the Indian Removal Act, Okay, cool, nice
sterilization of it. In a strange series of incidents, her
father was involved in a land dispute with one of
the neighbors. Some man, some big wig from the city
came over and sold the land that Leah's family owned,
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not once, but twice, just with fake deeds and whatnot.
You know, there was really no way to check back
then you could go to city hall and check I
guess if they had one. With the town's attention already
on the Smock family's land, troubles words spread throughout town
that Leah was casting spells on people and animals. One day,
Leah was said to have been told that she was
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not allowed to hold a baby, and the next day
the baby died. Something similar happened when she was forbidden
to pet a horse. She went ahead and petted the
horse anyway, and it ended up dying later. But there
are two versions of those stories. One said that Leah
cursed the baby and the horse out of spite, and
the other claims that she felt something was wrong with
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them and wanted to help heal them. Other legends suggest
that Leah controlled area crops give me a break, and
those who weren't on her good side would not have
a plentiful harvest. All of that to say, the town
decided to use Leah as a scapegoat for each and
every hardship they faced, even though they could be very
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easily explained by things like I don't know, lack of
medical care and you know, lack of any knowledge of
local flora and fauna poisoning livestock. It's understandable, you know,
to want to blame someone or something for the death
of a child, but the infant mortality rate at the
time was extremely high. So we can probably chalk it
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up to that. It seems that grief clouded the minds
of the townsfolk, though. On August twenty first, eighteen forty,
when Leah was twenty two years old, her parents John
and Margaret Ann Smock left to visit the nearby town
of Staples, and they took two of their three children
with them. Leah stayed behind. This was the last time
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the family would ever see Leah Smock alive. Later that day,
some neighboring men dragged Leah from her house, bound her
arms and legs because they're tough shit, and carried her
out to the family smokehouse. The men reportedly felt justified
in their actions as they struck a match and set
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the smokehouse on fire with Leah inside it. She is
the only person known to have been burnt as a
witch in the United States. Salem witches were hanged or
stoned to death. They were not burned. That's a misconception.
I honestly I thought that too. I knew they were
hanged and stoned, but I was like, oh, there's got
to be burning in there too. Apparently not. Leah also
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had the dubious honor of being the first witch burned
in Kentucky, but her story doesn't in there. And I
say the first witch, there were a couple of other
purported urban legends. I couldn't find any documentation on the
people actually existing. But there are some urban legends about
other women in Kentucky being witches and being burned. Couldn't
find the documentation, so I'm not going to put that
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in there. Soon after her murder, word began to spread
that Leah had returned. Her ghost had been spotted in
the Lapland Woods, but the first person who was reported
to see her ghost was her own mother, Margaret, and
Smock is believed to have watched the smokehouse burn with
her daughter inside and confirmed the rumors of her ghost
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being sighted. The next day, Margaret said her daughter's ghost
was floating above the charred ruins of the smokehouse, and
she asked why she didn't use her powers to save herself,
but Lea didn't answer, and maybe because she wasn't actually
a witch. Her remains were transported to the newly established
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Elizabeth Daly Cemetery because no churchyard would allow a witch
to be buried on their land. A few weeks after
her death, the same men who were responsible for it
grew afraid of what they had set loose in their town.
As reports of her ghost continued, the murderous men covered
her grave with two wagons full of pure white sandstone
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in an attempt to bind Lee to her grave. And
all I gotta say to that is you maybe didn't
burn a witch, but you did murder someone. So yeah,
I should hope that her ghost haunts you and fucks
with you. That is what you deserve. It's said that
when those responsible for her death saw her ghost, Leah
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cast them a knowing glare. At first, she was really
only seen around her grave, but as time went by,
she was seen more frequently roaming the woods that she
loved in life. She is still seen wearing a white
gown surrounded by a purple haze, with ropes tied around
her waist, neck and wrists. Leah's ghost has been seen
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many times, and people who visit her grave sometimes become
confused and cannot find the way back to their cars.
The walk to the cemetery is a long and hard
one of about a mile or more, and really it's
almost as if you know. Those who buried her wanted
to make it difficult to find her grave. Beyond seeing
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Leah's specter, there are other signs that her spirit remains.
Visitors had reported finding Cooper's tools on her grave because
you see, her father made barrels and she would help
him using you guessed it, Cooper's tools. Leah is also
said to protect the woods near her grave. She really
loved animals also in the area. Seemed to be unable
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to hit game and sometimes see her again. Leah had
a love of animals and away with them, she could
supposedly control them, causing even the gentless dogs to bite,
and it was said that her love of animals also
cause and still causes hunters to miss their marks. She
seems to be in full control these days, as her
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gravestone is hidden way off back in the woods, guarded
by poisonous snakes. You remember the walking stick with the
head of the snake. She occasionally appears majestically in her
way robe with dark eyes and long raven tresses, surrounded
by that purple haze. The town of Brandenburg and Meade
County hosts an annual Battletown Witch Festival that celebrates the
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complicated and tragic life of LEAs Smock on the last
Saturday of October, which I did attend. So what can
we learn from this tragedy. Well, for one, don't fall
prey to mass hysteria. If bad things happen around you,
there are probably explanations for them that aren't supernatural, many
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of which she was trying to warn her town about.
And they're like, what a reasonable explanation for these things? Witch?
Do I personally think that Lea Smock was a witch? Well,
it depends on your definition of a witch. A great
deal of women who were accused of witchcraft were herbalists
and midwives. I did the Appellachian Granny magic or Granny
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Witch episode. That's a lot what it was about. And
those traditions were passed down by Cherokee people just like
they were passed to Leah. Like I said, I did
that in depth analysis of which is in a previous
episode if you want to check it out. But I
think Leah fell into the category of a curious woman
who was smart, who was open to learning about other
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cultures and ways of thinking. Being an intelligent woman back
then was not a good thing, you know. It intimidated
the small minded locals and it gave them a reason
to target her, and I think that's certainly what happened
to Leah. And I'm sure having a Native American friend
was another strike against her, because most people thought tribes
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held some sort of mystical or evil powers. You know,
Cherokee people knew how to use the local floor and
fawn it to their advantage for medicine and healing and
things of that nature, and Joe taught Leah how to
do that. She tried to warn the town about sick
animals and children, but that backfired in the worst possible way.
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And I think if she were a witch, she'd she'd
be more of a like a wiccan, like a naturalist,
and not like a stereotypical devil worshiping, baby eating witch.
So if she was a witch, I don't think she
was like putting a label on herself like I'm a witch,
I'm in league with the devil, YadA YadA. She was like,
I have a friend who, through his culture, practices you know,
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ancient herbal healing methods, and I would like to learn
them potentially to be maybe she was thinking about being
a midwife. Who knows, But again we know that in
a lot of witch trials. Midwives were burned or killed, executed,
or accused of witchcraft because they were putting doctors, who were,
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of course men, out of business. They knew more, What
the hell did a man know about delivering a baby
in the fifteenth, sixteenth, seventeenth, eighteenth, nineteenth, barely even twentieth centuries, Really,
what did they know about it? They didn't know a
one damn thing. How could they? Like, women have only
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been here. I'm gonna start now. I'm not gonna get
on a patriarchy rant. We're not gonna do this today.
I do this every day. I don't want to run
myself up. But all that to say, it was very
clear that a lot of women who were midwives and
herbalists and healers were executed as witches or accused of
witchcraft because they threatened the money the money making of
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male doctors. Because of course, a woman couldn't be a
doctor back in those days and even still were like
woman doctor, female doctor. Never just like doctor and not specify,
not gender a fucking occupation, like female attorney. Do you
ever say male attorney? WNBA?
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Well, okay, MNBA, men's NBA, women's NBA, Like why I
understand that the end started first, but why do we
need to label at the WNBA.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Can you just call it also the NBA and it's
women playing. I don't know. I got a lot of
issues with things like that. And it's strange to me
that the year is twenty twenty four and we're still
talking about these things. I feel like we're just a
like a hop, skip and a jump away from being
right back into the witchcraft accusation times and you know,
smart women being rounded up. I'm not saying it's going
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to get to that, but hopefully it doesn't because I'll
have to start pretending to be real stupid. A lot
of us will all of that to say, I think
this woman was just straight up murdered. She was murdered,
no matter how you slice it. There was no trial,
there was no formal accusation, there was nothing. These cowards
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waited until her parents left the house, dragged her out,
a big group of Oh you're tough, big group of them,
dragged her out, tied her up, and burned her in
her family's own smokehouse. I'm sorry, why didn't these men
face consequences? They murdered someone? So if I feel like
murdering someone. Do I say they're a witch and then
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set them on fire and I get off scot free?
Is that how it works? And I know you're gonna say,
like different times. It was the eighteen hundreds, well late
eighteen well, excuse me, mid late eighteen hundreds. This wasn't
you know, the sixteen hundreds, of seventeen hundreds. This is
close to the twentieth century. And these men faced nothing,
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nothing whatsoever. They just burned her and got away with it.
They murdered someone and got away with it. Again. Due
process of the law was a thing back then, it existed.
They bypassed that completely, made themselves judge jury and literal executioner.
Just because a woman like knew that a horse and
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a baby were ill, and that's it, that's all. She
knew a horse and a baby were ill. They did die.
Tried to warn them something was wrong with them, and
they were like, oh, well, she caused it, and she
controls the crop too. And that syphilis. I think she
cursed me with it. No, I didn't cheat on you, Charlene.
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Is that witch? She cursed me with this itchy disease?
I don't know what syphilis does drives you insane. I
know if it doesn't get treated, but I don't know
like the regular symptoms for it because I don't sit
around studying old timey STIs or STDs. All that to.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
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your nightmares, in the deep, in your favorite horror movies,
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It's intermission time, folks. I'm your host, mister Edward October.
I'm here thanks to the miracle of radio with longtime
friend of the show, CARRISA. Vickis. You may remember as
a guest narrator on episodes like October POD's Guide to
Fishing or Phantom of the Viceroy Drive In. She recently
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voiced the role of Doctor Beltane on our Future Haunts
episode Welcome Carissa. Thank you so much for taking the
time to be with us today.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Hey, ed always a pleasure to be back on October Pod.
I feel like we're kind of due for a little
horror meets beauty chaos.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Your show, Beauty Unlocked, is unlike anything else out there.
It seems to me to reside in a Venn diagram
where the genres of beauty and self improvement, weird history,
feminist commentary, and horror overlap, and from Halloween through Christmas
it's usually a straight up horror program. How did you
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arrive at this format? Did you set out to blend
these disparate genres together or did it happen organically?
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Honestly, I didn't sit down one day and go, Okay,
I'm gonna make a podcast that's part beauty, part horror
and sprinkled with feminist rage.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
It kind of happened on its own.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
It's a little chaotic, messy, especially the first couple of years,
because I was still getting used to creating a podcast.
I feel like the podcast is a reflection of me.
I'm a bit messy and chaotic, and I am full
of rage because of the state of the world. It's
an absolute mess. I started Beauty Unlocked because I was
fascinated and honestly disturbed by the lengths people have gone
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in the name of beauty, both historically and today. I
was reading about things like lead makeup, nibbling on arsenic wafers,
or contracting TB to fit a particular beauty standard, and went,
this is horrifying. And then I realized these aren't just
weird old practices. This obsession with beauty, especially for women,
is a kind of body horror that's still alive. And well,
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the horror angle just made sense. I'm a big fan
of horror and psychological thrillers, and I just threw in
the weird history stuff, because who doesn't love a little
bit of weird history. And once I started, I couldn't stop,
and somehow it all kind of fused into this little
show that I now lovingly call Beauty Unlocked.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I think it's safe to assume that you see a
connection between horror, either in fiction or in real life
and the struggle to live up to sometimes impossible beauty
standards that people, especially women, have dealt with all throughout history.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
Beauty standards have always been monstrous, but they're also a
form of control. When you tell people, especially women, that
their worth is tied to how they look, you keep
them distracted, anxious, compliant. It's a quiet kind of violence.
It's body horror dressed up as self improvement. Women were
literally dying from lead makeup or swallowing tapeworms in the past,
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and now we're slicing, injecting, and filtering ourselves into submission.
The tools have changed, but the message hasn't. You're not enough,
fix yourself. So yeah, horror and beauty deeply connected, especially
when the monster is the standard itself.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Now, the horror genre is filled with examples of outsiders,
characters who live on the outside of what society considers
beautiful or proper. I'm thinking of characters like the Frankenstein
Monster or the Phantom of the Opera. Do you identify
with outsiders like these?
Speaker 4 (30:18):
No, one hundred percent. I've always loved horror because it
gives voice to the ones who don't fit in. The
monster under the bed the woman who's too much. I
mean when I was younger and watching Disney movies, I
always rooted for people like Maleficent. I think a lot
of us see ourselves in those so called monsters. They're
not always evil, I mean, clearly it depends on the movie.
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But they're just pushed to the edge, and honestly, sometimes
they're the only ones telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Now, do you see any new trends today amongst beauty
and lifestyle influencers, for example, that might demonize certain people
for their appearance or beauty and hygiene habits.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Absolutely, there's this rise and clean girl aesthetics and hypercurated
lifestyles that quietly shame anyone who doesn't or can't fit
into that mold. Like you're either effortlessly glowing with perfect skin,
minimalist clothes and a ninety dollars lip oil, or you're
seen as dirty, lazy, or unhygienic. It's classist, it's ablest,
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and it's absolutely exhausting. And influencers might not realize they're
enforcing this, but a lot of beauty content comes with
these unspoken rules about what bodies deserve praise and visibility.
It draws this line between acceptable and unacceptable femininity, and
the more you scroll, the more rigid it gets. What's
even more disturbing is how some of these trends quietly
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bleed into the alt right pipeline. You start off watching
tutorials for soft makeup or clean girl morning routines, and
suddenly the algorithm is nudging you towards tradwife content, hyperfeminine
submission rhetoric, or videos glorifying outdated gender roles, all wrapped
in soft lighting and acoustic music. I mean, give me
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a break. It's like esthetic fascism with a filter, using
beauty as a way to promote conformity and control, and
a lot of people, especially young women and girls, don't
even realize it's happening because it looks so harmless. I
come across that kind of content and my first thought
is get fucked. I think one of the solutions is
to make space for people in larger bodies, people with disabilities,
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for neurodivergent people, for trans and gender non conforming folks,
and for older, aging people. I'm happy that there are
more content creators that are spreading awareness and the message,
but we definitely need more, not less.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
What would you say is the most harmful or dangerous
beauty trend making the rounds today.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Honestly, anything marketed as natural that's not regulated, homemade skin bleaching,
diy filler hacks, vaginal steaming. There's so much pseudoscience going
around TikTok and actually all other social media platforms. It's
terrifying people are risking their health because of this pressure
to hack their way to beauty. And the wildest part,
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a lot of these trends are rooted in shame, especially
shame around aging body hair or just being human. We've
turned self hatred into a wellness aesthetic that's horror.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Changing gears a bit. Your show often deals with mythological
creatures and cryptids. Do you have a favorite cryptid?
Speaker 5 (33:26):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (33:26):
I love this question. I haven't covered her yet, but
I'm a big fan of La Johna. Not exactly a cryptid,
but she's the perfect mix of folklore, grief, and haunting beauty.
I love how her story shifts depending on who's telling it,
Like sometimes she's a villain, sometimes she's a victim. Always
deeply tragic. But if we're going full cryptid, the moth
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man has my heart. He's got wings, glowing red eyes
and may or may not be trying to warn us
about impeding doom.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
What's not to love?
Speaker 1 (33:55):
And if that statue of him is accurate, he's also
got a butt that won't quit. Maybe I'll do a
moth Man episode sometime. I feel like October Pod needs
to do more cryptid content.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Anyway, Let's make that Mothman episode happen ed. He deserves it.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Before we leave, tell us where we can find you.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
You can find Beauty Unlocked wherever you get your podcasts.
New episodes drop every Thursday and we go deep into
the freaky, the fabulous, and the fucked up world of beauty.
You can also follow me on TikTok at Beauty Unlocked
the Pod and subscribe to our YouTube channel, Beauty Unlocked
Podcast Hour.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Folks, we have been chatting with CARRISA. Vickis. Thank you
for being with us today.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
And now friends gig Comfy because Act two of October Pod,
featuring special guest host Brenda from the podcast Horrifying History,
starts now.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
My name is Brenda, and welcome to Horrifying History, where
you will hear a both the unexplained and supernatural happenings
that have stained the pages of history. Churches are supposed
to be places of worship and faith, but there is
one church located in the US state of Pennsylvania that
has the reputation of being a location of insanity and death.
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So get comfortable, my spooky friends. You are about to
hear the tale of a church that is not the
sanctuary it should be, and about several more that maybe
should consider doing a few exorcisms to make their grounds
holy again. The earliest known church was a house church
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founded between two hundred and thirty three AD and two
hundred and fifty six AD. Historically, these buildings represent the
same things that they did all those years ago. A
church building is said to be a sacrament of God
reconciled with humanity. It is also a place of worship
where a congregation comes to be taught and sent out
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to serve God. On top of this, a church represents
the beliefs and traditions of the community that created it.
But sometimes churches come to represent something different, and in
the case of the Egg Hill Church located in Powder
Township in the American state of Pennsylvania, it represents death.
But before we get into the dark urban legend that
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surrounds this place. We need to understand the history behind it.
The historic Egg Hill Church was built in eighteen sixty
and it's a one story banked building built out of
pine on a stone foundation. Before it was built, the
area was mostly settled by German immigrants, who mostly were farmers.
They were able to practice their faith through a circuit
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riding minister who traveled on horseback to the area. The
minister would come to the township for about six weeks
and try from home to home to conduct church services
in these homes. But by the eighteen thirties there were
enough followers to build a church for By eighteen thirty eight,
the first evangelical log church was built on egg Hill
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that was named as such due to its shape. During
a meeting near the church in eighteen forty, a tornado
struck trees around the camp and church grounds were snapped
like twigs. But during this storm, many of the camp
attendees kneeled and prayed for safety. The church and camp
were spared and no one was injured. This event resulted
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in a massive growth for the church's congregation. By eighteen sixty,
the log church was replaced by the building that stands today.
This church served the community until nineteen twenty seven, when
it was closed. The only time this church was used
after this was to hold an annual homecoming service or
for special events. By nineteen seventy it was determined that
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the church's steep was beyond repair and it was removed.
By nineteen seventy nine, the entire building was in dire
need of reconstruction, and this is when the egg Hill
Conservancy was established. They had the church added to the
National Register of Historical Places that same year. In twenty nineteen,
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it was discovered that the foundation was in very poor condition.
This was replaced in twenty twenty, and there still are
several big repairs that need to happen in current times.
A new preservation group is raising funds to cover these repairs.
It's now the site for weddings, special events, and its
yearly homecoming service. But this church's solitude became fertile ground
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for tales of the Macobre. Locals used to whisper about
the unsettling energy surrounding the egg Hill Church. Soon these
whispers turned into a blood chilling legend. There are many
versions of this legend, so I'll tell you the most
common one. But first, let's set the scene. Through winding
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gravel roads and dark green forests. Sits the egg Hill
Church that's surrounded by battered gravestones. It sits silent as
it holds the souls of dozens who were killed there
through a mass murder. In the late eighteen hundreds, or
in other stories, the early nineteen hundreds, the pastor of
the egg Hill Church went mad. He decided to kill
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his congregation on Halloween night. He held a service that evening,
and before this occurred, he poisoned the communion wine at
the altar of this small church. The pastor gave the
poisoned offerings of Christ to his unknowing victims. As all
this was going on, the children or the congregation were
in the basement playing. They had no clue what was
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happening to their loved ones upstairs. One by one, the
congregation circumbed to the poison. As they did, they started
behaving like they have gone mad, or as some say,
they became presentsed. Now this is where this story takes
a few turns, depending on the version you hear. In one,
the pastor carried all the bodies out of the egg
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Hill Church staining the floors and blood as he buried
them outside. Some stories say that he went back and
killed the children before he went to the top of
the bell tower to end his own life by hanging.
In other tales, the pastor does not poisonous block. He
stabbed them all to death. After everyone arrived, the pastor
allegedly chained the door shut and went on a killing
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spree with a knife before he hung himself. According to
some of the local legends, the murder weapon was placed
inside a tombstone within the church's graveyard. When it's removed
from its resting place, it is said that a large
pool of blood will form where the knife used to sit.
On top of this, these tales say that the egg
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Hill Church is haunted. Some stories say that the mad
pastor still resides in his old church. Others say that
it's haunted by the murdered congregation. Even others claim that
it's both. But here's the problem with this, my spooky friends,
not one piece of this story is true. Like all
urban legends, a dark tale never lets the facts get
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in the way of telling a good story. There was
no newspaper that covered this event, and no documentation that
talks about it. Considering what was said to have occurred there,
most definitely there would be a trace of documentation somewhere.
But what further solidifies this was the writings of a
man named John Blair Lynn. John wrote a book called
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History of Center in Clinton Counties, Pennsylvania and documented every
movement that happened in this area. This story is not
included in this book. Even so, this community has been
suffering for years with fandals and thieves damaging and taking
items like gravestones from the egg Hill Church, its graveyard,
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and the surrounding properties. It's now a frequent stop for
those who want I want to get a glimpse of
the supernatural. After reading about the egg Hill Church on
the Internet, which has pushed this legend as if it
was truth, I think that local historian Bruce Teeple said
it best when he spoke to the Center Daily Times
for an article they printed in November of twenty twelve.
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Bruce said, in part, and I quote, history has enough
real life horror stories such as Auschwitz, Bosnia and Batan,
so why make up nonsense like the egg Hill legend.
I suppose it would make a great movie with all
the right elements, mad preacher shoots up congregation or some
variation if it contained any truth. But it doesn't. It
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never happened period. The story is just playing garbage, and
the internet psychics promoting this garbage should be ashamed of themselves,
my spooky friends. Where this myth started is anyone's guess,
but there is a haunting here. When people go to
egg Hill Church in the darkness of night hoping to
have a pair normal experience, it is they who are
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actually haunting the dead, not the other way around. But
there are other churches that are said to be haunted
and has the history.
Speaker 7 (43:09):
To back it up.
Speaker 6 (43:11):
Boroley Church is located in the village of Borley in Essex, England,
and it's believed to date back to the eleventh century.
It's a small stone building that has been added to
over the years and in its graveyard lies some very
famous individuals from British history. Located near the Boroly Church
is its rectory, built on Hall Road near the church.
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It was originally constructed back in eighteen sixty two to
be the residence of the church's reverend Henry Dawson Ellis Bull.
This rectory is not the first one to be on
this site, though the current rectory was built to replace
the one that was on this site but was destroyed
by fire in eighteen forty one. It was enlarged when
a wing was added to make room for Henry's fourteen children.
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Before we move on to the spirits that are said
to haunt both of these locations, I thought I would
tell you about the legend that is attached to the
church and the rectory. Legends tell us that a Benedictine
monastery was built in this area in about thirteen sixty two.
One of the monks living in the monastery met a
nun from a nearby convent. The two started praying alone together,
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if you know what I'm saying, and when this was discovered,
the monk was executed while his love was bricked up
behind a wall at her convent. But just like our
last tale, my spooky friends, this isn't true. This legend
was debunked when it was confirmed it had absolutely no
historical or factual basis. With that said, there are tales
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attached to both of these places that can be connected
to fact. One of the most common paranormal activity connected
to this church is that people regularly hear organ music
when no organ is being played, and the sound of
chanting when no one is around. Visitors also claim to
see the spirit of a nun roaming around the churchyard,
along with ghostly monks. In the nineteen seventies, Ed and
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Lorraine Warren came to both the church and rectory for
an investigation. After learning that people would hear this church's
bells ring at night when there was no one in
the building, and that a ghostly monk was regularly being seen,
they had to go. This spirit was said to be
leaving cryptic messages on the church's walls, and the Warrens
could not resist but go along with a group of photographers.
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During their investigations, the Warns alleged that they found the
spirit of a nun in the graveyard and then again
inside walking down the aisles in prayer. But the rectory
is where the best paranormal action is at. It was
famelessly dubbed the most haunted house in England by psychic
researcher Harry Price. As we previously mentioned, this place was
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built to be the family home for the church's reverend.
It was badly damaged by fire in nineteen thirty nine
and was demolished in nineteen forty four, but even though
this bill no longer stands, ghosts are said to wander
the land where it's built. The ghosts may be homeless,
but they're still present. The rectory was said to be
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haunted from the day it was built. The first documented
paranormal event occurred around eighteen sixty three. People started to
report hearing unexplained footsteps throughout the house. Then, on July
twenty eighth, nineteen hundred, four of Reverend Henry Bull's daughters
claimed that they seen the ghost of a nun. It
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was twilight and the spirit was walking about forty yards
or thirty seven meters away from the house. The girls
ran outside, wanting to attempt to speak to this ghostly nun,
but as soon as they tried, the spirit disappeared right
in front of their eyes. According to those who knew
the family, this wasn't the only time that they saw
this apparition. It was said that they saw this spirit
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on a regular basis. But this is not the only
thing that people see at the Boroley Rectory. Various individuals
have claimed to have seen a phantom coach with two
headless coachmen for years. Is this none the same nun
who haunts the church. Where did these headless coachmen fit
into this picture? When Reverend Bull passed away in nineteen
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twenty seven, the rectory stayed empty for some time. The
following year, Reverend guy Eric Smith moved in with his wife,
and it didn't take long before things started to get
really weird. Not long after moving in, Missus Smith was
cleaning out a cupboard when she found a brown paper
covered package, but when she opened it, she was shocked
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to see inside was the skull of a young female.
It was here that the activity picked up in the home,
including the family hearing the servant bells ring when they
were all disconnected, lights appearing in the windows when no
one was home and all the lights were off, and
ghostly footsteps throughout the house. Missus Smith later claimed that
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she would often see a ghostly horse drawn carriage traveling
down the nearby road at night. It was the Smith's
that reached out to Harry Price, and he came to
the house to investigate in June of nineteen twenty nine.
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As soon as he arrived, the paranormal activity changed. Stones
and household objects were being thrown at people inside the
house by unseen hands and spirit messages were being tapped
out on a frame of a mirror. As soon as
Harry left, this activity stopped. This made the Smith family
believe that it could have been Harry himself that was
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doing these activities. Even so, the activity that they experienced continued.
The Smiths decided to leave Boroley Rectory in July of
nineteen twenty nine. In October of the following year, Reverend
Lionel Feister moved in with his wife mary Anne and
their daughter Adelaide. Lionel was a cousin of Henry's, and
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he wrote accounts of the strange events that he and
his family experienced while living in Borley Rectory. He sent
these to Harry Price. Their experiences included the bell ringing
that was reported by the Smith family. Windows were being
shattered and objects were being thrown by unseen hands, and
spirits were allegedly writing on the homes walls. There also
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was regular poltergeist activity, but the scariest thing was what
happened to young Adelaide. She would be constantly locked into
her rooms without using a key. On one occasion, Adelaide
told her parents that she was attacked by something horrible,
so her father decided to perform an exorcism twice. It
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didn't work, and it seemed to make the spirit or
spirits angrier. In his efforts to clean up the rectory,
Lionel was struck by a fist sized rock thrown by
someone that no one could see. Soon, the newspaper The
Daily Mirror heard about this spirit activity and wrote articles
about this. This brought in several paranormal researchers to the
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site to investigate, and they all came to one conclusion
that the incidents were being either caused intentionally or unconsciously
by Lionel's wife, mary Anne. When questioned, Marianne claimed that
she thought some of the instances were caused by Lionel,
who was working with one of the paranormal researchers, while
others were real paranormal phenomena. Not long after this, mary
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Anne came clean. She admitted that she was having an
affair with a man who was lodging with their family,
Frank Periless. She admitted to using the paranormal as a
way to cover up her affair. It wasn't long after
this that the Foisters moved out at the rectory after
the building was empty for some time. Harry Price negotiated
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a deal with the owners of the property to allow
him to rent the rectory for a year. He recruited
forty eight people to come with him to the home
to investigate it. One of the first things they did
was pull out a wijaboard in hopes to connect with
the spirits who were residing in the rectory. The first
alleged connection was with a young nun who identified herself
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as Marie Lair. Marie said that she was a young
nun from France who left her religious order to marry
into one of the most well known families of the area,
the Walda Graves. She claimed that she was murdered in
a building that used to be on the rectory site
and thought that her body was buried in the basement
of that old building or was thrown down a well.
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She claimed that the ghost writing on the walls of
the rectory were her please for help. Was it her
skull that Marie unfound when cleaning just after the Smith
family moved in. The second spirit that Harry Price's team
connected with was not that nice. He identified himself as
son ed Amree and claimed that he was going to
burn the rectory to the ground at nine p m.
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On March twenty seventh, nineteen thirty eight. He further claimed
that when the rectory burned, the bones of a murdered
person would be revealed. Could these bones belong to the
ghostly nun? Well, March twenty seventh came around and nothing.
The rectory did not burn, but almost a year later
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it did. On February twenty seventh, nineteen thirty nine, the
latest owner of Borley Rectory, Captain W. H. Gregson, was
unpacking after moving in. He accidentally knocked over an oil
lamp that was in the hallway, which started the building
on fire. It spread quickly and the home was severely damaged.
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But here's the weird thing, my spooky friends. When the
insurance company investigated this fire, they concluded that this fire
was no accident. They claimed that the fire was set deliberately.
After this fire, Harry Price and his team decided to
dig in the basement of the rectory. They found several
bones that were believed to be from a young woman.
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These bones were given a Christian funeral and buried at
a nearby churchyard. But things are not always what they see,
my spooky friends. After Harry Price died in nineteen forty eight,
reporter Charles Sutton made allegations that Harry faked paranormal phenomena.
Charles said that when he was visiting the Borley Rectory
with Harry in nineteen twenty nine, he was hit in
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the head by a large pebble. He turned around and
grabbed Harry. Charles searched his coat pockets and found different
sized pebbles. In nineteen forty eight, three of Harry's most
loyal associates investigated his claims about the Borley Rectory. They
published their findings in a nineteen fifty three book called
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The Haunting of Borley Rectory, and their conclusion was that
Harry faked some of the reported phenomena. The Society for
Psychical Research otherwise known as the SPR came in to
do their own study. When completed, they produced what is
called the Borley Report that contained their findings. They alleged
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that many of the reported phenomena was faked or due
to natural causes like rodents and the strange acoustics for
the house. They also wrote that Mary Anne Foister was
responsible for fraudulently creating the reported phenomena. And so was
Harry Price. After this was released, Marianne admitted that she
never saw any spirits and the only sound she heard
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was caused by the wind and the strange acoustics of
the house. When people were over, mary Anne would create
paranormal activity as a prank. She also regularly did this
to her husband too. But there is a thing here,
my spooky friends. It sounds like all the stories behind
this location are exactly that stories, But that doesn't explain
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how people were experiencing paranormal activity at this location since
it was built. It doesn't explain away the experiences of
the Bull family or some of the experiences that the
Smith family had. And then there was that female skull
and bones found on the site. Is this place really haunted?
Perhaps we all should take a trip down and find out.
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Our next church is located in Dublin, Ireland and is
absolutely beautiful. By the twelfth century, Dublin had become the
principal settlement in Ireland, and fast forward a few centuries
it became the capital city. But before any this happened,
the Vikings decided to settle there and they built a
place of worship on the site where the Saint Mikin's
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Church stands today. In ten ninety five a Christian chapel
was built, and then eventually it became a Catholic church.
It has changed hands over the years and has undergone
several renovations. Back in the seventeenth century, this church built
a crypt, which has been preserved and expanded over the
years since its time in construction. There have been whispers
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about the dead in these underground tunnels. Many claim that
they hear whispering voices the crypt, and some claim that
they have been touched by ghostly hands. Underneath the church
today there are large metal doors that are chained shut.
If you would go on a tour to see these,
you would find the burial vaults containing the mummified remains
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of some of Dublin's most influential people from the seventeenth,
eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. Some of these include the Shearer's
brothers who were convicted of high trees and after the
Irish Rebellion of seventeen ninety eight, and the Earl Eleithrum.
But why are these bodies mummified? No one is quite sure,
but it's hypothesized that it's due to the dry atmosphere
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in the crypts, the limestone walls, or the methane gas
that leaks up from the damp ground below the vaults.
Inside you will see the coffin stacked, not in any
sort of organized way. Coffins containing generations of the same
family were laid on top of each other, and in
time they collapsed under the weight. Bones fell out of
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the coffins and their lids fell off, which is how
what is called the Saint Miken's mummies came on public display.
Some of the mummies are said to be around one
thousand years old. One of the legends concerning these crips
has to do with one of the bodies that rests there.
It is believed that this mummy was a soldier who
returned from the Crusades, and at six and a half
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feet tall, he would have been a giant while he
was alive. He lies with both of his legs broken
and crossed under him in order to fit his body
into his casket. One of his hands stands slightly in
the air outside the casket. Legends says, if you touch
one of his fingers, whoever is brave enough to do
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this would have good fortune. Tour guides used to encourage
visitors to do this until twenty nineteen. This is when
someone stole this soldier's head. The culprit was soon caught
and the head was returned to its resting place. After
this occurred, the church will not allow visitors to touch
him in any way. In twenty twenty four, a man
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deliberately set fire to this crypt. The blaze cause devastating
damage and the water used to put it out damage
the mummies that have lay in rest here for centuries.
Experts determined that the loss is irreversible, and not just
for the physical remains, but for the history that they represented.
Five mummies were completely destroyed, including the soldier that we
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just spoke about. It is uncertain if this crypt will
ever be reopened to visitors as a church hopes that
the National Museum of Ireland can attempt to salvage the
damage mummies, but in case, the church allows visitors to
explore the crypts again.
Speaker 2 (58:44):
Be aware.
Speaker 6 (58:45):
The first thing that most individuals experience when they go
down into that crypt is that the atmosphere suddenly changes
to feel quite heavy. Many report hearing ghostly whispers and
have the feeling that they're being watched. Some claim that
that they've experienced being touched by multiple unseen hands, and
others say that they see ghostly apparitions standing amongst the mummies.
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Could it be that these vaults contain the restless spirits
of the dead. If we ever get the opportunity to
go into these vaults again, take a moment to listen
to the mummies whispering amongst themselves about the secrets of
bygone time. These whispers will remind you that death always
remains a mystery. Thank you all for listening today.
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During the intermission, I'll speak with Carrissa vickis a podcaster
who knows all about the ugly things people do for money.
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For money.
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Never good.
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That on.
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Whatever you like, say.
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It's a good thinking that I believe it.
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