56. Police Women Don't Fart

In this 56th episode, police officers Carolynn Gilmore and Jake Bouldin share funny, wild, and true stories about lost K9s, attic dwellers, arrest free zones, and more! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Welcome, Welcome to Offbeat the Light Side of Law Enforcement,
aren't they Treehouse Podcast Network. On today's show, we're going
to be talking about canine story, rookie calls, and unwanted guests.
So sit back, relax, and get ready to laugh. I'm

(00:45):
your host Steve Rutherford, co host for today's show, Detective
Curtis Hadley thanking me, and we're joining with two guests
in the studio today. We've got Officer Carolyn Gilmour and
Officer Jake Bolden.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Welcome, thanks for having us.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Ab I doing good today.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Oh it's a great day, man.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
So it's a good day. It's a good day when
we're in the studio.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
And it's not running. It is gorgeous up there today. Yeah,
very yeah. I mean we've got so much rain it's
it's nice.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Actually. Now Carolyn, let's start with you. Hey, you're currently
an officer and you you work for the health district.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
I worked for a hospital district.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
Okay, we'll just leave their name off because their social
media policy is social media policy is pretty strict, like
they don't want you getting on there.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Doing There's plenty of hospitals.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Out there, you know, I'm not going to go far
from home.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yea, what is blamed on? JPS. That's not the one.

Speaker 5 (01:48):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
I'm just saying that's our scapegoat. Yes, well we could
have made one up.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
You could have said, jpslan that's the one I'd work.
I'm caught you then keep going.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Wait, but Carolyn, how how long have you been in
an officer? Yo?

Speaker 5 (02:05):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Man?

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Someone asked me the other day and I started using
my fingers because I was like, this just can't be right.
I can't be not old or you're kicking you're kicking
shoes off here if you're gonna kunt of all? Yeah, right,
right right it twenty nine years there you go on
years years dis bat six years before that is smaller
municipalities and started riding out. That's where I caught the bug.

(02:26):
And twenty three with fort Worth and two and a
half with Sampson Park as their chief.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
So you were a chief over at Sampson Park.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yes, she just said that, Yes, Yes I was.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yes, she did say that this is going to be
a rough ta.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
That might have been in disbelief. You might have just
what it was. I'm sorry, this mic is not working, Greg,
you're a chief, Okay.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
Great opportunity and learning experience. Absolutely left there, went to
the District Attorney's office and worn't for Sharon Wilson loved
that gig so much. At y'all, I really there are
some rock stars at the DA's office. And then thought
I would retire for a year and tried that, and
then I was really digging it. I was spray painting

(03:11):
things that need to be painted around the house. We
live on Lake Worth, so we really are appreciating the
sunshine because we have flooded a little bit doing household chores.
Things that I never did. Planted, I never planned or
kept a flower bed before, and I really enjoyed it.
And then word got to mean that this particular agency

(03:32):
was looking to hire retired officers because they wanted people
that already had the life experience and emotional maturity emotional
intelligence to tackle these calls at the hospital and not
overreact to certain situations. And I thought, well, we'll see
if the money's right to get off the bench. And

(03:52):
the money was right, and all I have to pretty much,
you know, get well soon I can.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
I can do that.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
So I just started that in January. So enjoydge retirement
and I look forward to doing it again. But I'm
fifty five years old.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
I got a couple of got a couple of years left, yeah,
I got a couple of years.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, but you know what I do to you bring
me out of retirement. I'm not sure that number. I'm
not sure anybody has that number.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, I mean it's it's it's it's got to be
right for you.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
Yes, well it had to be really, you know, even
if it was huge, it was really, what are we
doing and how much?

Speaker 2 (04:24):
And I'll just tell you. I don't mind telling you.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
They were saying where it got to me, officers with
twenty five years experienced some more, They're starting out at
forty dollars an hour, And I was like, that can't
be right, because I do keep up with the pay
around the Metroplex. After being on the POA and in
the Union, I still have a lot of young officers
that will call me and ask me for advice, and

(04:47):
I'm like, hey, you know, select carefully because as we
all know, everyone's hiring right now. Sure, so for you know,
starting at forty and what they were wanting us to do,
I said, I can do that. I say up till
three o'clock in the morning. Anyway, if they have the
midnight opening, that's what I want. I was always a
big night like warrior, as I like to call it,

(05:11):
and I was ready to go back to that and
just get back into service.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
But you did, you said twenty four with four Worth,
twenty three with four twenty three nice foot Worth PD shirt.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Juan Friez and his wife did these a few years back,
and then they just did another order. This is the
when I started the police department. This was the font
on the cars.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Of course I loved it.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
I remember seeing that.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Yeah, so one did another batch, and of course I
had to order some more.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Thank you. And I'm always repping because I.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
Foot Worth is so ingrained in me and my husband's
retired foot Worth and officer, and it's just been such
a huge part of our life.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
I've never not felt like Footworth.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
It was very foreign when I left to look down
and see another patch on my shoulder, I was like, oh,
this is feels icky, Trader, Yeah, it felt that way.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
It really.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
In fact, on the end side of my uniform, on
my vest, I had a fort Worth patch and I thought,
if anybody, if anything ever happened to me and they start,
you know, cutting off clothes.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
They'll see that patch.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
And say, oh, yeah, there's our sister, or she must
be saved at all costs.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
We're not sure who she works for.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
She doesn't even know mostage.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Now, Jake, you you also worked for Fort Worth correct? Correct? Yes?

Speaker 1 (06:25):
How long? How long have you been in law enforcement?

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Eighteen years? Wow?

Speaker 3 (06:29):
And you're currently canine officer correct correct? Being the sign
of canon for going on nine years. Spent the first
ten years in my career east side and the short
north side.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
And so what kind of what breed is your dog?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
He's a Shepherd mal mix.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
It's hard to find a pure breed anymore, but they
kind of cross breed him, so he's a he's a
little bit of both the best both worlds. I describe
him as a five year old and pre workout. That's
how he lived his life.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
So he's a five year old on pre workout.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Funny kind of the mentality he keeps on a daily basis.
It's zero to ninety all time.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
So he's got the he's got the energy of a
malamaw and probably the protector and the shepherds.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
And the shepherd's side. He thinks, he thinks more about
what he does.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
You know, if you send him, if you send him
out into a room, a shepherd to wait for you to
open a door, and male is going to go through
the door.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah, that's true. He's gonna knock the door down, choose
way right on through it. So any other special opportunities
for worth other than Canine.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
No, it's a street cop.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
For like I said, about ten years majority, probably eight
and a half of that on East side.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
That's where I went back to Eastide. I went with
to Canine.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
I said, I don't want that side of town as
far I spent my career and I like it. And y'all,
y'all are your rotating shifts now y'all used to be
primarily midnight? Right?

Speaker 2 (07:38):
We are still midnights? Yeah, eight four thirty? Okay? Is
there one can per out of town?

Speaker 3 (07:43):
We don't have enough of us, but yeah, roughly there's
there's there's one on duty at all times. But every
side of town kind of has one roughly assigned to it. Well,
I mean we travel midnight.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Midnight.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Guys are a special breed. Anyways, I was never man.
And then you throw a dog on top of it down.
And I've never known anything about midnight yes see, and
ye right, you were mid nights in patrol.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
So I was always an eating person. I couldn't do
the midnights.

Speaker 5 (08:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Whe Yeah, something once you get hooked on that for
you want to stay well.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
And it is You're right.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
The midnight came on alsers that that I came up
with through my career.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
They were workers. I mean they took.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
Calls, they would take the shoot, they would take the
sheet on a on a shooting and wait for us,
you know, to get there to be able to help them.
But they didn't shy away from work. And I'm and
I'm sure y'all don't either. I'm sure today it's you know,
still carry and you and you have a little bit
more freedom on midnights to do that stuff. You know
you're not going to be you don't have a what
you call like a program scheduled where you have to

(08:40):
be at a school or you have to be do.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Aw dog will travel, right? Can?

Speaker 4 (08:45):
I I don't mean to rude here. I have a
question now I have had the opportunity to ask it now.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
I noticed that C. I. T Has dogs as well.
What are what is is it c I T that
has dogs.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
There's another unit that has dogs. They do have dogs,
but they're dogs. What emotional?

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Oh, emotional emotional support.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Dog like the dogs get really sad. No, no, no,
they're not emotional.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Oh the dogs aren't there to cheer up. Yea, yeah,
they're stressing.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Always thought of cops had a puppy in the car.
It could smooth things over on every call.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Make it optional.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
Of course, are good for everything, right, they really are.

Speaker 6 (09:21):
They really are.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
We'll start carrying so they're not working.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Not trying to insult anyone that may watch the show
that sends the I T. I'm just not clear on
that because it does have a purpose and I respect
from but okay, not the same.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
We're not associated and assimilated in it. Don't train together
or anything.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
I would see there would be a conflict between a
therapy dog and a bite dog.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, therapy husband and wife a husband and wife. Yeah,
I have to work with you too.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Yeah, this is our dog. His name's Jacquelin Hyde.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
My dogs change, I believe at the time, very therapeutic. Yeah,
it's called acupuncture.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
And Jake, you know, in regards to your in regards
to your dog. I had asked you earlier if there
were any interesting canine stories, and you mentioned something about
a bite that your your dog had one night that
didn't turn out to be what you guys thought it was.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Well, it wasn't my dog, it was it was another
dog in the unit. Uh, that we were on the
track and they were short north sides somewhere. I had
some burgler suspects that ran in the woods and the
dog was doing his thing. He was clearly an odor
and uh, you know, once they break off into the
tree line, you kind of lose sight.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
You just hope for the best.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
In the end, you hear the dog thrashing around doing
his thing and rocking and row and he's yeah, and
we're all his handlers and officers.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
We're excited, like this is this is the moment you
worked for, This is what you want. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
I mean it's kind of like fishing. You know, the
line gets real tight. You know, you got something in
the hook. Handler starts bringing it back and bringing it
back in and there's a little resistance and there's still
some fighting and thrashing. U you know, our assist officers
are ready to take hands on as soon as the
suspect gets out of the woods with the dog, you know,
wearing the dog, and anyways, he kind of breaks through
the darkness and the flash slights, hitting and thrashing, and

(11:12):
it's raccoon, you know.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
So hey, he's still had a mask on. Now we
got a burgler, just more of a he's a cat burglar.
So it happens, I'll tell you.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
I want to share a story with you that. And
I don't know what y'alls training. I've never had canine training,
and I've never desired to go to canine Uh. But
when I was a young officer, uh, like I said,
and bad ass, I love that word, So I may
say that our two midnight officers back in those days,

(11:43):
we're just bad ass. They were all over the place
and we had I was in ECT then, and a
couple of art And I know I can't say people's
names without their permission, but they know who they are
and I'm not selling them short. One is a lieutenant now,
always into something. And we had chased, uh, he had
chased a guy out of twenty one d East Berry,

(12:05):
which at the time was called Spring Chase Apartments, and
we called it foot Chase apartments. It was always gonna
it was always going to go down. He was on
he was on foot and this guy passed him. And
when he turned to look at the guy that passed him,
he saw mac ten on the back of his pants.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
So he gave chase.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
The guy ran across the street over in the Glen
Garden area in that city park. He was in there thick.
So we called for a canine and I'm just like, oh,
this is gonna be so cool. I had this idea
of what canine did and realized I did not have
any idea what the protocol was for a canaine. You know,
I'm thinking the dogs getting out barking, you know, their

(12:43):
chest bumping, it's about to go down. Well, the canine officer,
before he even got the dog out of the car,
he just walked near you know, where's the last place
I'll saw him, And you know, we pointed in that
direction and then he very loudly said, fought or a
police K nine.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Come out with your hands up or we're sinning in
the dog.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
And I mean and this actually aired on Cops, this segment,
and he just boom, came out, hands up. I'm like
the dog, you know, really broke my heart. But you know,
from that, I was on a call a couple of
weeks later we had an individual in a garage. We
had called for canine, but well I was waiting at

(13:23):
the door, you know, gun out waiting. I thought, hmmm,
what were police canine come out with their hands up
or we're sitting in the dog And the dude was like,
I'm right here. It works, And I was like whoa.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
And and the guy that was on call me, he goes,
what made you think to do that? Yeah, yeah, I
just thought of it. But I was just as shocked
that he was.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
That the guy came out and I was like, oh
my gosh, that dog.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
We would do the same thing, but we'd have some
of the backs.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Lots LUTs. It's like that got in this German. He's
got a dog. It must be real.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
I mean, it was impressive. It was disappointing in the
first round, but it worked. And that that is just
what true testament to what damage the dog has or
what fear of people have in the dogs.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Well, the people nowadays, what we can do.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
They obviously know what we can do with guns, and
they don't know the rules with dogs. So it's still
it's still kind of an area in which we hold
the cards on that one.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
It's pretty cool, pretty impressive.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
And since since you mentioned foot Chase apartments, we can
we can touch on touch on this. I mean, we
don't typically talk about politics on the show.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Right Curtis, Oh No, that's never fun. We avoid politics.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
But you know, let's let's dive into this the first Amendment,
because I understand, Jake, you've got a story in regards
to separation of church and state.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
Well interestingly enough that Carolyn, she might be able. This
is her generation that I learned this from. Uh, it's
an old east Side rumor that we were taught that
due to the separation of church and state, that you
could not arrest somebody if they were on church grounds.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Okay, wait, so dude, separation of church and state, you
cannot arrest somebody if they're on church. There were some
street off some of some of somebody perpetuated.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
The east Side officers to start of this rumor years
before me, and I've seen it work twice throughout my
early career that if they would.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Run to it.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
On east Side, about every third house is a church.
So they felt as if they could get to church grounds.
They were safe, and it was all bets were off.
You couldn't arrest them, you can't touch me.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
It's like tag. It's like tag, like, oh, I'm on base.
Was it was home base. They can make it there
in sanctuary.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
So I can vouch for at least two instances where
somebody would run two or three houses or half a
block and stop in the middle of a parking lot
and say ha ha, and then they would just.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Getumbled. No, man, I'm on church pretty pro.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
There was some old East Satters that taught me that
when I hired on, Like I said, I saw it
at least twice a month career, So I don't I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
If that's I've never heard that.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
I've never heard that rumor.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
And you would say, yes, where it came from.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
Yeah, but I will tell you that it's so funny
because the same guy that was chasing, same officer was
chasing a gun spring chase. He came over from North Side.
He was a go getter and I and he was
actually my academy classmate. I knew he was a go
getter and we were what we call short south.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Side Evans Rosedale.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
Uh Irma, all those streets up there, and I told him,
I said, look, man, it's imperative that you know where
you're at because you were a go getter. And it's
not it's not a matter of if. It's a matter
of when you're going to get into something, and we
need to know where you're at. Look for landmarks. And

(16:58):
your landmark cannot be a church. And I said, told
him that your landmark cannot be a church because there's
so many churches. And oddly enough, I had a cousin
at the time that came and rode out with me,
and we grew up in church. His hit, my aunt
and uncle, His mom and dad never missed church. I
mean every Sunday they went. I didn't go as faithfully, but.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
I knew that yes, always.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
Always forgive you, thank you, so is Jesus Jesus. And
I can't tell you how grateful he forgive. But this
was just one of those moments. I never gave it
much thought. Ed. So he was about nineteen or twenty,
and he was like he grew up North Fortworth. He
was like, man, there's like a church on every corner

(17:46):
over here.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
Why is that?

Speaker 4 (17:48):
And I don't know what made me think of it,
but just without hesitation. I was like, because the devil's
busy over here. The devil is so busy, yes over here,
and we we really do need a church on every corner,
and that well some eleven comes a handy for sure.
But but you're right, the people people, they underestimate when

(18:10):
we say there's a church in every corner. There is
literally a church on every corner.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
It's the Bible belt first off. But yes, in full Worth,
when I first went to work, there was like, like
you said, you didn't just you didn't just say, hey,
I'm at the church. I'm at the you know, Lord
Mothers of Mercy, because if you can tell where you're at,
they'd be at the wrong church trying to help you.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
The Immaculate Mother. I don't know what, ever, does there's
a million of them. I mean, I would be interested
to go back.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
It'd be interesting to go back and find out what
year every church was established, because in that area of
Morning Side and that short shorten Our Side in the
early you know, nineteen forties and fifties and Polly, that
was a very affluent area of four and I would
be curious when they started springing up everywhere.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Well, now I'm curious because Jake, when you mentioned that
it bad guys are suspects, if you will, we would
run to a parking lot thinking that they are now safe,
run to a church property. I mean to the bad
guy run down the street and he's like, uh, which
one I want to go to?

Speaker 2 (19:12):
The Yeah, the most of those guys are non dominational.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
They don't really care. I mean at that yeah, you
know any safe harbor, absolutely literally trying to get I
could be Lutheran and Catholic all the same. I guarantee
you if if I thought, don't get me out of
going to jail, ething you got out of going to jail.

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Welcome back, Welcome back to Offbeat, The Light Side of
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today's show, Detective Curtius Hadling.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Great to be here, guys, and we've.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Got two guests joining us in studio. We've got Officer
Carolyn Gilmore.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
I'm stoked to be here.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Thank you, Steve.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah, it's a pleasure having you here today.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
Carolyn, Oh wow, pleasure A pleasure that is no one's.
I don't think you ever told me I was a
pleasure to have anywhere, So thank you.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
You've never been a pleasure to be around.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
I'm sure I've been sure I have been a pleasure.
But sometimes people, you know, my overly optimistic attitude towards
everything turns out can be annoying.

Speaker 5 (23:17):
No way, but Jake thinks that eating introduced to my
left stage left boys.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
And our other guest here today, we've got Officer Jake Bolden.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
I appreciate you'll having me out absolutely.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
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Speaker 4 (23:56):
I'm gonna need that number.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
I need to retire one day.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
You need to retire, Yeah, you need to. Well, you
need to stay retired.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Time you've retired before, you just like twice.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
You should be pretty good at it by now.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
I am, well not. It's staying retired.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
You say you're not good at it if you're working
right now.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
So I'm going to drive towards excellence in retirement.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Third times of charm right.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Absolutely, Steve's just showing off his one retirement. You know,
I'm an amateur, only have one retirement.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
My husband.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
My husband wuld say he's a rock star because he
brags on his one time retirement all the time.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
One and done, baby, that's what's about. Okay, where are
we at?

Speaker 4 (24:40):
The one had done is highly recommended. I will tell
you that.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Okay again, moving uh moving on to our other other guest.
Uh Jake, you you were a canine officer with fort
Worth and I I understand your You've got a foundation, correct.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
We have a foot Worth Canines group that helps to
fund the retirement for the dogs because once they're retired,
the city cuts ties. With them, so all the medical
expenses and everything associated with it becomes the responsibilit of
the hammer.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
So we created a five O one.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
C three that helps to offset those costs for medical,
food supplies, what might be needed for the animals, because
you know, they they spent their whole seven to nine
years working as athletes. They they put themselves out there,
wearing themselves down, beat themselves up, and we want to
make sure the retirement as comfortable as can be, you know,
So he helps.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
With the like a pension, but yeah, it's actually, yeah,
something like that.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
It just helps us out, helps the dogs out mainly
because you know, especially if like for myself, my dog's
set to retire this year, so I will retire him
and I'll take another dog, so I'll have two dogs
of the house and he becomes a house dog at
that point and living his best life as a retired dog.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
But in his mind, he's not retired. He's always working.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
So to slow them down, you know, it takes a
little bit of work, and they end up usually having
some like all of us when we get older, bumps
and bruises. You know, a nine ten year old retired
police dog's been through a lot. You know, he still
has joke. We make joke if my girls do has nightmares.
You know, who is it in the living room. You
can hear him barking and wine and mill a night
while sleeping. You know, he's he's, he's he's worked a
hard life, he's worked a good life.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
I had actually met a handler one time that said
that they retired a dog and then had a new dog,
and said the old dog got a little depressed every
day he was leaving for work with the new dog.
They will and she and she said, she said, literally
about once a week I would go get the old
dog and put him in the back seat and drive
on the block through a few times, just to keep
keep him, you know, motivated, because you know that said,
that's their whole life, and that's seven to nine years

(26:33):
are doing. That's their whole life. We'll try to bring
these dogs out, you know, a year or so after retirement.
It's just back out of the training so they can
be in the environment. And they don't they don't ever
turn it off. They don't know they're not working. You know,
he knows. Come at eight o'clock at night, it's time
to load up.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
You all have social media.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yeah, we do. It's a I'm gonna make sure I
get it correct her. It's fort Worth Patrol Canine Support.
We have Instagram and social media. There's a link on there,
and we have merchandise and we do whole events.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Oh, we're working on it. It's hard to get it loaded.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
I have a one seed three tax deductible hundred percent.
It is all our merchandise that we have. One hundred
percent of the proceeds go to us. It's a good
spread to us. All the spread really good spread. And
we're kind of getting it rolling. We're gonna have a
couple more meet and greets and some charity events that
were people are helping host. We're going to do a
golf tournament pretty soon and follow the page. That's where
we're getting that rowing and getting it. You know, all

(27:20):
the information will be there for what you need.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
I mean, I never thought about that once. I mean
sure most of the time. I'm not going to say
every time, but most of the time. They the dogs
retired and goes on to live with a handler for
the remainder of his life. But never never thought of
a pension for retirement.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
It's a retirement fund form, because, like I said, they
take them to VET nowadays probably cost you three four
hundred dollars just so yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Mean look at them. The big thing is teeth with
these dogs and joints and stuff.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
I mean, they do so much bitework over their career
that they deteriorate their teeth and they either get replaced
or they mean to be taken out all together, or
you know, in their joints and things like that, like
the shots they get to receive like we do for arthritis.

Speaker 4 (27:59):
How does that work now when you take them for
veterinarian care while they're in service.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Oh, the dogs have better healthcare than officers to the
bills go, oh yeah, the city covers it all there.
They don't question anything. You can walk a dog in
there and they'll fix. We have dogs with full titanium
teeth and you know what entures. Oh pretty much.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
I was just thinking, you know, you mentioned bringing some
of the retired dogs out to training every now and
then even sticking them in the car and taking them
around the block. Why just my retire qualifications going.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
To do that with you, Steve. I can come get
you once a week, be ride with me. If it
makes you feel better.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
I means, drives him around the block and we'll roll
the window down, you know.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
You know, lick the window and stuff. Look at it.
It is a good boy.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Yeah, I mean that that was kind of what was
coming to my mind you when you mentioned them, thinking, well,
you know it's retirees. We have to go qualify once
a year. It's kind of like kicking the dust off
and bringing the old guys out to the range.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
And that's the same thing.

Speaker 3 (28:55):
I mean, we'll we'll have a retiree stopped by the
officers off, just get a little recharge of batteries, you
know about the old days, breathing that air a little
bit that you remember so much. I get to walk
away from it might not be good air. That's the
good thing is that when you saw we all sudden done,
He's like, see you boys, and you're back out the
door and we're still on call.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
So well, and you talk about breathing the good air, Curtius,
I don't want to ride in the squad car with you,
because if you remember some of our first episodes.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a silent killer called flatlets. Yeah,
you released some you do that with a partner in
the car. Absolutely, it's a rite of passage. Yeah, no,
I'm good it happens. I right around with the dog
all night.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
I think I just have to pass on riding with
I did pass. Yeah, no, my heir. If I smell
someone else's guys, I'm gonna throw up the thought of
even smelling someone else's. Like, I can smell all kinds
of odors we smell, so I never smell. But I'm
saying this could be a challenge, right, It's like the
thought of it makes me throw up. I can smell

(29:54):
all kinds of smells and yucky, but I don't want
to do that.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
So everybody else's flagelent smells bad, but yours does not.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
Oh it's true. Yeah, yeah, because you know, typically women
we don't do that. But when we do, it's like sprinkles.
It looks like glitter.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
We're getting a glimpse into something. I'm not sure I
want to get My husband.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
My husband never does that in front of me.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
He never has. Have I heard it? Yes, But does
he do it? No, he won't.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
He just he's a complete gentleman in certain areas, and
that's one of the things.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
And I think he's I think he's doing that.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
You know how you do behavior because you want it
to be reciprocated. I think he started to seeing the
glitter everywhere around the house.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
So okay, just to make sure I didn't misunderstand this.
When you pass gas, it's like sprinkles of glitter.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Unicorn farts. Unicorn farts. Yes, wow, we don't say far. Yeah,
women don't fart.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
But you know what, I don't know if I would
have roped you, but you remind me of some of you.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
May remember.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Phil South started at Feel South in Georgia District. Hilarious dude,
And we used to get the worksheets before RealD call
that showed you who you were partnered up with, if
you were partner up with. And this dude one night
we all we all get to real call in the
worksheets in front of us, and we're all looking at
it and start looking at each other. He had partnered
up pretty much everybody that didn't kind of like each other,

(31:25):
not like but you know, like one female with a
guy that was you know, creep factor one. Uh, you know,
the sleepy guy got partnered up with me where you
know you're getting no sleep. I mean it was just all.
It was so odd and we're all looking. We're all looking,
not wanting to say anything because we did like our teammates.
And as soon as he said, you know, his final

(31:46):
roll call, you know, go out there, be careful, all
the chairs backed up very quickly. People start marching to
the sergeant's office and he's in there just laughing his
butt off, and he's like, that's not the real worksheet,
and all y'all were going to get your panties in
a wad and you know, and gave us the real workshop.
But that was He's like, that got a better response
than I ever thought it would. I would probably have

(32:09):
marched in that sergeant's office and.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
There, yeah, set the.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
Bar, say pull over, let's stop and get a drink
and go, you know.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Because we're in this together, all right?

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Speaking of should be together, K I heard a story
about a misplaced K nine.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Yeah, that would be mine. So that's a good story.
It's a good story. I was a new handler and
I'm talking third third week. I have the dog fresh
in between second and third week.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
He finally earned what I thought would be some uh
some backyard free time outside. Although all of them have
a ten by ten kin in the backyard in which
they stay. So I gave him his free time. He
was doing his thing, and uh everything was great, went
outside and dogs gone like nowhere to be found. When
you lose a brand new dog that you know, the
city just paid all this money for and he's trained

(33:08):
to bite people when he's trying to do all these things, uh,
it's a pretty big deal. We have a certain protocol
which we have to follow, which requires, you know, launching
first a phone call to your supervisor that you don't
want to make as a brand new handler of Hey,
i've lost the dog.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
You just gave me.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
The initial drilling dump, right because you know a kid,
And I've done that, you know, I've I've scoured the
neighborhood as quick as I can on my own before
launching that call.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
And so I finally make the call.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
And at that point, the all call goes out, which
is anybody knows is anybody who's not doing anything responds
to this location absolutely, and that.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Would be my house address.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Uh, So I have every available officer in the city,
specialized unit helicopters, mount of Patrol who is responding to
my house to find.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
This dog that is gets gone. Uh.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
So, now I'm now driving a police car, you know,
in a pair of shorts and a tank top to
the neighborhood, screaming out the window of a dog who's
not gonna come to me, because he does. We haven't
bonded yet, so he's probably just gonna run farther. But nonetheless,
I'm doing everything.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
And he had been partner with anybody before.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
No, he's brand we're both brand new, and he's fresh.
He's only about three weeks in from being from Europe.
Like this dog just land in the state.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
He doesn't even elish.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Yeah, he don't even know exactly. So I'm driving around
like a madman, and uh, everybody's coming.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
I hear the radio. I get the text messages from
my unit.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
You know, you're an idiot and stupid and picking me
up on my day off and all those other things.
So which is accepted, So long story longer. You know,
we're doing this, and and I hear the helicopter coming.
You know, it's a very ominous sound. I'm my god,
here it comes.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
You're you're getting kind of expensive, yeah, really like real quick.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
And I'm hearing now I'm on the radio channel in
my car as I'm driving around, and I hear everybody,
you know, all right, I'm in route.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
I'm in routing.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
You hear the anger and their voice at their waist
time because I'm an idiot. But my phone rings and
it's my wife. She's like, we found the dog. Me
found the dog. It's like your daughter, who was at
the time was probably about five years old, has found
the dog cowered underneath the shed in the backyard in
a corner and he won't come out.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
So I'm b lining back for the house about as
mad as I can get, and the helicopter's here at
this point, and I actually have the video of me,
you know, screaming and trying to get this done.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
A dogg and coming out.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
So my youngest daughter walks over and starts coaxing him out,
and he's, sure enough, crawls right out. He gets right
to her, you know, and I get to tell everybody
else know you're not coming. But yeah, it was about
an hour and a half of just total and complete
chaos in my brain of up and down adrenaline dumps.
And to this day I still get made fun of
for it, and I should is it's deserved, you know,

(35:50):
it's just it never even left the yard, never left
the yard.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
The chiefs phone went off, and it goes, it goes
all the way out.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
It does.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
We've lost an asset, if you will. It's a trained dog,
semi trained, but nonetheless, you know, I mean, once these
dogs get out, it's a big deal.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
It's a piece of equipment, you know, that's on differently
when they are on the morning walking away, you know.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Yeah, and and so that was a very fun day,
and it's something that relatively, you know, like this instance,
people that I know for a long time like to
bring it up and like.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
Sure, make you pick and choose who you're going to roast,
don't you.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
He knows about that.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
It was a good time and I still get a
laugh out of it because I just I went so
far beyond you know, we all hear the stories and
you go look for a missing kid, right, what's first
you do?

Speaker 2 (36:39):
You look in the house. I didn't look in my idea,
I was the parent not.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Looking in the immediate area. You know, I just went
for the worst case scenario. Of course, it's branding.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
But your perception had you like, I'm sure, now that's
another family member, but you were so new to that.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Oh yeah, did it?

Speaker 8 (36:59):
Did it?

Speaker 4 (36:59):
We're are you panicking more over the lost asset as
a police officer or you just like.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
All of it to just checking he's okay.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
I hope he's okay. You know, I just got this gigs.
I don't want to lose this dog.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
That is scary.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Where am I going to be in patrol at Monday, Wednesday,
Fridays off?

Speaker 2 (37:21):
I'm used to midnights, deep nights on the weekends. Good time, that's.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah, that's uh, helicopters out helping all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
I printed out the call sheet too, so I have
it from my own records for the history of just
that's fine units attached to this.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
It's like I just kind of have.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
To, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
It's a good time.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Well and especially in Jesin when was all said and done,
and that's all we can roast and I deserve it.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
I roast enough peoplesolutely now.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
I mean, and that that was something you made a notification,
which I'm obviously that that creates a call for risk
for everybody to come out there and help out.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Have you ever helped out on any other calls for service?

Speaker 3 (38:08):
There was a time when we uh uh, working in
patrol on east side that I there you go.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
I could say that we were asked to do some
more prevented patrol in the area.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Make sure that you know we were answering calls for
service that were there and may or may not have
enjoyed the calls of service that were there.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
So we generated our own and so you're making your
own calls for sure.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
I don't know if y'all really remember the screaming goat
that was so popular years ago, that was all over
the place. Well, there was a particular area within this
side of town in which that you could get up
in a vehicle and be over our hillside. And so
my partner and I who at the time, you know,
we had the bright idea that we'll just see what

(38:50):
a screaming goat sounds like.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Over pa in an elevated position.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
So we did that for about two weeks, generating calls
and just to see the and we go out and
on the call the call dispatch, we'd take it. But
you know the best part was was the actual dispatcher
is typing in the details.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
The people were hearing.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
People hear this, they call dispatch and tell them what
they're hearing and you're reading the notes.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, we're reading notes like, oh that's pretty good. They
interpreted is this? Or they interpreted is that? You know?

Speaker 3 (39:15):
And then we would oddly change the hours throughout the
night to where, you know, it wasn't always at ten o'clock.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
It was just whenever we had a free time from
answering real calls to service.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Uh, we got some downtime, let's get screaming.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
I board, you want to calls out there?

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Yeah, I mean it was a yeah, it was just
this ginormous screeching that just echoed through the area the way.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
They say they decided it was a goat or no,
it was monsters to aliens, to gas wells, to all
kinds of stuff, you know.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Oh yeah, and at one point we had a log
of like what the best ones were about since then
twenty five phones ago. So but yeah, it created some
good times to where even other officers we'd let them
take the call figure that.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah, now, curly, you you did mention one rookie call
to me. Yeah, you're already laughing. Do you know what
I'm talking about?

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Yes, because the uh, you know, I also worked east
side the first nine years of my career. You think,
like when I was in the academy, I wanted to
be a mount of patrol. That was my ultimate dream.
I didn't know that I was really a crime fighter
until I got a signed to the East Side, and
I took about a year where you for me anyway,

(40:29):
everyone's different. But when you're finally cut loose and you're
getting your confidence and pieces are coming together, you're not
having to ask a lot of questions to co workers.
And that's how was back then. We were told to
always work it out with a co worker, don't be
calling your sergeant for every little thing. But around that
year Mark, I was getting really confident. But that first

(40:51):
you know, ten twelve months was a learning experience, like
responding to the community, how they're responding to you. Fellow
officers you don't know on a personal level, making calls
with them, not knowing what the heck they're saying, sometimes
if they're even allowed to say it. But you know,
I always tried to be professional and just you know,

(41:15):
if it was solving the issue at hand, and I'd
go along with it. But there was an officer that
was always got complained on on this shift, and I
had not made any calls with them before. I didn't
know what he was getting complained about. He seemed, as
you know, form always looked squared away, you know, always

(41:37):
you know, well groomed. I mean, just look like a
squared away officer, very polite around the sector and stuff.
So I got dispatched on a domestic disturbance with him
at fifteen and the female was pregnant. And since I'm
an assist, if you don't know someone, well for those
that aren't in the police business, if we kind of
know each other, you know, I might say, hey, Jake,

(41:57):
just let me know whatever you want me to do.
I'm here for you, and he knows that, and he
may assign me to something. But if you don't know someone,
you're not really sure where to interject. And the you know,
he's in his spill with the with the victim, and
you're not really sure. I don't want to interrupt him
because I don't know him. I don't know how he's
going to take that. But just out of the blue,
he just looks over at me and says, and I

(42:21):
don't want to imitate his voice because I want him
one to be offended by my imitation.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Of the voice.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
But I will just say it was very country, very
very red nicky, country red ni red NICKI.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
So I do a little bit of the voice just
you know.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
I always say names make stories better, but really maybe
just the voice. And he and we don't even know
each other, we've never even had a conversation. And he's like, hey,
you got a kid, right, Yes, it's so you've been
pregnant before. And now I'm thinking, okay, this guy, right,

(43:00):
I said yes, he turned back, He turned back and
looked at the victim and I and he says, I'm
sure Officer Gilmour here can attest that you women, when
you're pregnant, you're just not in your right mind.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
And I was just I.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Can't imagine where his complaints were coming.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
From, right, I was, I was, He was dead serious,
and I was just like, I was speechless, which I'm
not often. And I was like, and she bought. The
victim bought totally into it. Says maybe I'm not maybe
I'm not feeling well. And I thought, well, if it's
going to accomplish the goal of this call, then I'm
gonna go with it.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
You know.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
Afterwards, I did tell him, dude, don't don't do that
to me, you know that is uh. And by the way,
we're not crazy when we're pregnant, not all the time.
You know, generalize this in there.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
That's the equivalent of saying, calm down, right.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
But you learn so much, not just you know about
you know what you're what you learn in the academy.
You're on the street trying to apply apply that, trying
to apply the law and fight crime. You're learn and
you know how to work with individuals that have been
taught three or four different ways from each FTO.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
I have a rookie officer that we took on a
call one time. He looked new like you're talking about,
and the lady called him said, he's so young, like
a fetus.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
To this day, that's his nickname is that's.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
The worst one I've heard. I've heard a lot. I've
heard a lot of nicknames.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
That's the worst one. He wears that with bride.

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Speaker 1 (45:55):
Welcome back, Welcome back to offee the light side of
lawforcement We've got two guests joined us today. We've got
Officer Carolyn Gilmour, hi y'all and Officer Jake Bolden.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
I'll do it again.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
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gmail dot com. Jake, you I understand you have answered
answer to call regarding unwanted guests and residents.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
You can say so, yeah, unexpected, very unexpected. It goes
back to this point, probably fifteen ISSU years ago or more.
Back before we had all these other units that dealt
with mental health and these things. It was basically up
to the beat officer and then the MPO if you will,
of the area.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
We had a lot of beat integrity back then, to
where if the call was on your beat, you took
care of it. You know, you knew the people on
your beat in your regulars. This this lady, you know,
God bless her. She was in her mid eighties at
the time. She called in one day and you know,
she just swore something broke into her house. So we
went over there and checked it out. She didn't have
anything missing, nothing like that. She kind of took an

(48:21):
initial info report because there wasn't a criminal offense we
could find. But uh, nonetheless, we you know, checked her
house and put her hey, we'll come by and check
on you once in a while.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Next day we came in.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
We were told she called during the day and day
shift officer went out there and you know, this same
thing had some weird stuff, you know, some socks on
the floor, you know, some food dishes left in the sink.
Is what her complaint was, and that you know, she's
just baffled by this. So about the third or fourth
time this happened, Uh, we got family involved, you know,
reached out finding who they were, got to hold the

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MPO said maybe you need to come out here and
you know, do a little intervention, get with your mom
and grandma and see you see what you could do
for because.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
We think she's having some mental episodes. Yeah, yeah, she's dishes, Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Mean she's found dishes in the sink, socks, she said,
there was hair in the in the bathtub that wasn't hers.
Things of this nature. You know, how old is she
in the mid eighties, eighty two, eighty.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Four somewhere around there had smells in her house too.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
She's like it smells like a man in my house,
and we're thinking she's, you know what, used to be married,
maybe having some some episodes of her I forget how
long ago he had passed away. Didn't smell like sprinkles.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
No, not sprinkles, No, not sprinkles of any sort. Sprinkles
don't have the smell I digress smell.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
So we're dealing with this like this kind lady off
and on for about two weeks, and the intervention I
guess somewhat had helped with the NPO and and the
family and they had got her some baby monitors to
where she could get an app on her phone put
in her house. Because at this point everybody were the
next step. Here has to be some type of institutionally,
I mean, because clearly she just can't take care of
herself anymore. Because there was I think all together, but

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I'm not mistaken at least seven calls or service to
this address for this type of scenario. Food and the sink, food, missing,
laundry on the floor, hair in the tub.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
You gotta find a solution.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Yeah, there has to be something here, either she's doing
this or whatever. So you know, we're giving all the
reasons we have at the time, and with the family's help.
So about that second week that my assist Ostra and
I went out there. You know, we're all on a
first name basis, so on and so forth, and she said, look,
she got with her family. She said, here's what we're
going to do. They basically she had a timeline in

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which she worked. She still worked at a bank, even
at her age, at a part time gig, so these
things would happen throughout the day.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
She said, why she was gone, So.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Within one of her time frames that she normally was gone,
she had officers come over, which I was an evening
shift officer at the point, so we were able to
get over there. So we went over and waited, and
sure enough she's sitting down the street with her daughter
in the car and she calls and said, there's somebody.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
In my house. I'm watching them on camera. Who game on? Brother? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (51:05):
All right, all right, So we get the call. We
obviously it's a priority one call. We rush over. They're like,
I'm surprised they sent it up priority one because so
many calls for service people, don't you know, it looks questionable. Nonetheless,
it was, so we get over there, and she's like, look,
she shows us on this little when't an app, it
was actually a monitor, hand held monitor. She's like, there's
he's in my house, a gentleman in my house. So

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she hands us the keys, We make entry. Sure enough,
Dud's stand in the kitchen and a pair of shorts.
What the hell, and we obviously take him in custody
and do all this stuff. He was living in the
attic of her home, and every time she would leave,
he would come down out of the attic, make himself
at home, and he'd go back up. And he'd said
he'd been there for a couple of days prior to

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her first phone call, so he would come and go.
He had she had an side access on the outside,
like a vent that he would come and go from
when he wanted to. But when she was gone, he
could see her leave through that and he would come
down through the the interior access panel and make himself
at home and give me back up.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
It's been going on a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Of weeks that was it was winter time.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
It wasn't warm out side, so he was probably tolerable
up there because she had one of those walkable old
houses with the walkable attict, you know, and he was
just making himself at home, hanging out for a couple
of weeks.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Was he homeless or yeah, I believe.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
I mean, it's just by the grace of God, he
didn't start like, hey guys over.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Here, and he just I guess you know, he was a.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
He was a mental health consumer himself. But nonetheless, you know,
it was one of those things of she was on
the just the verge of family checking her in and
she wasn't crazy. The next thing would be herself on
the front yard. I think she moved period, just because
she couldn't stay in the house anymore. Of knowing that that,
you know, the residual of someone has the ability to
come and go.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Farmits in your attic.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Yeah, but it was a full blown man, you know,
that is so scary to think.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
About that, and we find we felt bad because you know,
we're all her crazy, calling her crazy, you know, not
believe it.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Even her family, got the family outside of it. She
may be losing it. No, she wasn't. She knew what
she was talking about. Somebody was in that house.

Speaker 8 (53:08):
Well, you know, a man smell when you know it,
and she did. Yeah, all right, guys, that's what we
got for today's show. Carolyn Jake, thanks for coming.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
In, thanks for having us. Yes, thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
I really appreciate it absolutely all right, guys, until next time,
keep it real, keep it funny, stay safe, and watch
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