June 18, 2025 • 51 mins
In this 57th episode, retired Sgt. Mark Vincent and retired Special Ranger Doug Hutchison share funny, wild, and true stories about cattle rustlers, working with family, dangerous cadets, and more!
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Hosted by retired police officer Steve Rutherford and retired officer Josh Jackson.
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Welcome, Welcome to Off thet the Light Side of Law Enforcement,
part of the Treehouse Podcast Network. On today's show, we'll
hear about working with family, spending the day with a governor,
and so much more so.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Sit back, relax, and get ready to laugh.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Uh speaking of laugh nice with the lights there, Josh,
I'm trying to be I love that. Yes, Steve here
and as we just mentioned, we welcome co host for today, Josh.
Josh flipped the switch on the lights, Jackson.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I may it may happen anytime on the show, you
know that, right? Yeah, you're you kind of I don't
miss it. I miss it. Is it a twitch or something?
Just kind of yeah, Hey, just be glad. I'm not
writing you a ticket too, So you can't do that anymore.
You're not saying it has any like, you know, legal
bounds or anything.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Just humor.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, just take it. I'm just taking okay, Josh, I
won't do it.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I know the chief deputy in this county, so oh yeah,
he can probably get it through.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Hey, I know his admin assistant though. Yeah that's a
trump card. Yeah, yeah, I've got back up. Moving right along.
We're joined by two guests today. We've got retired Sergeant
Mark Vincent. Hello, and we've got retired Special Ranger Doug Hutchison.
(01:55):
Both you gentlemen have been here before. Welcome back for
having Yeah, it's anxious to hear some some more of
y'all y'all stories. I mean, you guys have so much
and I think we've already established And in the previous episode,
you guys were on everybody used to ride on two
wheels around here.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And who's the guy in the room that didn't?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
But you did the best you could.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I did, you know, I did. I was bad enough
on four wheels. They weren't about to move me to two.
In fact, didn't they take you out of the car
and put you in the office. Yeah, there was that.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
There was that.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Hey, I enjoyed the office that is climate controlled. That's true.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Well, he's probably the only one of the four of us.
It wasn't kind of thrown off, you know, little sideways anyway.
So they said, well, well we'll set him and let
these other guys.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Right, They moved me in to protect me as an asset.
They wow, asset, All right, Josh, you got put on
two wheels. That well, you know if he falls over. Yeah,
it's true. They just figured I put my feet down,
so which I did.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, because you definitely didn't put your kicks down.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
No, I didn't this office for so long, every time
I pull up to a red light my truck, I'd
opened the door and put my foot on the ground.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Hey, truck kickstand. That's right now. Now, Mark, let's let's
start with you. You are retired, yes, all right?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
How long? How long were you in law enforcement? Well?
Speaker 5 (03:21):
I'm actually still reserving for Denton County, but thirty five
years now, but I retired as a sergeant with Irving
after a little over thirty years.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Okay, so thirty years retired as a sergeant with Irving, Yes,
but still reserving.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yes, correct.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Okay, is that just to hold your commissioner? Is that
because you still want to piece the action?
Speaker 5 (03:41):
No, I mostly just hold my commission I just help
with some training and some teaching some of the deputies
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
There. Wait, what kind of what kind of training do
you do with those guys?
Speaker 5 (03:51):
The standout field sobriety testing, the a ride classes they'd
been intro tried, and pair driving and drug recognition expert training.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Oh d R e train. Yes, I heard that's a
that's an easy class. Oh well, you know, I guess uh.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
I don't think many people would agree with you that,
but yeah, we do our best to get them through it.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
That's so, if you're still reserving, does that mean you're
going to be at the riots in downtown this weekend?
Speaker 5 (04:18):
You know? I actually talked to my serdant yesterday and
he said they got pulled. They're getting pulled in for tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Really.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
I'm like, uh, yeah, you're not going to call me
or he goes, we didn't give any right gear, did we?
I said, no, you didn't.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I'm out. You can get off Amazon's Okay, Well are
my grandsons? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, you know I still think you can sit in
a command post. Yeah, that's true that I have no
problem there.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
If I make controled right, the office perfect. Now, Doug,
you you're retired as well?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
All right? How many? How many years? Thirty nine years total?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I did?
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Started off as a like a book service officer, a
cadet with Dallas PD, and I just stayed down there
for about two and a half years working in traffic vision,
then got hired on by Irving as an officer, did
at over twenty seven years there and I ended my career.
I was a special ranger for the Texas and Southwestern
Cattle Racers Association for a little over nine years, and
(05:18):
that's where I unplugged it and let my commission go
and said, that's all.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
She wrote, I'm done. That's it.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yep, I'm done. Yeah. And I wouldn't take a million
bucks for that career, but I was just done.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
That's hey, when you're done, you're done. When you say
when you say I'm done, I'm done.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
There is life after law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
There is life. There's there's a lot of opportunities.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Well, I'm telling you, man.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
That's I'm not sure that that a lot of guys
are aware of that, but yeah, there are so many,
so many different opportunities out there for retired officers.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yep, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, there's all sorts of opportunities. Mark, you brought you
actually brought me a gift today.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I did. Man, this is a T shirt, explained to me.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
So, this is a friend of ours that has been
doing the Mad Walk for years. I started this thing
in mad Walk back in the nineties with mad As
far as memorization, for officers that have gotten run over
or victims of drunk driving. And so Steve put this
shirt together this last year, and what it is is
(06:23):
all the officers and the Metroplex that have been run
over or killed by drunk drivers over the years. Unfortunately,
there's a lot of names on there, and it's Metroplex
officers to honor them and for the loss. The very
front of the badge is from Irving.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
There.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
That was Glenn Holmes killed July third, nineteen ninety three
by drunk driver, our first officer we lost the line
of duty, and so we just followed up with it
after that got involved in mad And this shirt's got
a lot of names, Like I said, way too many names.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, I mean, sadly enough, I'm sitting there looking at
the patches that that are displayed on the back of
this hyar sure, and I'm looking at the names on here,
and I'm looking at how many names I'm familiar with,
not not because I knew the officers, but because I
know they're families now. And that's uh man, You've You've
(07:14):
got Billy Randolph on there from Fort Worth obviously, Dwayne
Friedo from Fort Worth. That's Dwayne's near and dear to
my family. But yeah, you've got Mitchell Pitton. I mean,
you've got from Dallas, Givens, Metzler, you got a lot
of a lot of heroes listed on that on that shirt,
and that that sure is a you know, God, I
(07:35):
hate that their name is on this shirt.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
It's sobering when you say I'm group of blackli It
is a sobering thought.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, I hate to see. Yeah, you know, Karen and
I go to Washington, d C. For National Police Week
every year, and I I wish that one year we
could go up there and not have anybody to memorialize.
Same thing, but the state Memorial or Texas State Memoral.
I wish sometime we could go up there just to
(08:06):
just for the camaraderie and not have anybody to honor. Absolutely,
and you know, maybe maybe one year we can get
to that point. But yeah, that's man. I appreciate the
shirt mark absolutely, I mean that that is great. I
mean I hate the I hate the reason for it.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
But yeah, they thank.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
You, sir.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I appreciate it. Their memory still lives, oh, absolutely, always honored,
never forgotten. Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
I have one part where mine quite frequently yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And I mean we here, I know, even if you're
listening to the show, we've we actually have a traffic
sign here in the studio that says please don't drink
and drive and memory of Officer Dwayne Freedo December seventeenth,
two thousand and six. I thought, hey, there's no better
place to put this sign. I mean, it was displayed
on Interstate thirty five there south of thirty where Dwayne
(08:57):
unfortunately was killed, but state rules the sign can only
be displayed in that area for one year or so.
That wow for work's POA asked Karen if she wanted
and she said yes, and you know what, let's let's
put it in the studio. So yeah, you know, rest
in peace to all our heroes that are out there
and everybody else out still doing the job.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Y'all stay safe.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Now, Doug, you you brought a couple of stories with
you today here I'd like to get into and you
know you've titled your stories. I haven't heard him yet,
so I'm excited. I mean, I hope you don't blindside me.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
On this or no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
But one of these you titled partner's cell phone.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Yeah, that was my partner and my patrol partner in
irving for a little while we were working the evening shift.
Juan Perez just a super get officer, a great guy,
and we partnered off and on over the years and
in pro car. But we were out that this was
back in the late eighties. I guess no, I take
that back, it would have been early nineties. Anyway, we're
(10:02):
working a two man unit and we had to rule
there in the department where you couldn't have cell phones
in the cars. You weren't even supposed to have pagers,
which everybody carried on vibrate in their boot top, but
we weren't supposed to have phones in the car. Well,
he had one of those big bagphones in the black
bag and you had to plug it into a cigarette lighter.
You all remember those.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
It's like a hand crank to power right right.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Exactly, big thing like you're fixing a call in an
AIRSTRIKEE what it looked like. But anyway, he would hide it.
Back when we had the radio rack between us, you know,
there was a console that had this radio rack and
then the shotgun was mounted next to that vertically. Well,
he would hide that bag phone between the shotgun rack
and the radios, and so we got on a call
(10:46):
and it was a little disturbance. Deal, wasn't much to it.
We're in an apartment complex and I had headed into
a parking space and we went in, took care of it.
It was nothing to it. We'd come back once, says
oh man, I forgot to get this guy's phone number.
I'll be back in just a minute. Well, this was
during the time, you remember when the calls were free
after eight pm until like eight am. They didn't charge
you minutes. This is how long ago this was. So yeah, okay, yeah, okay. Anyway,
(11:13):
We're sitting there in the car and I'm catching up
an activity sheet and another unit pulls in behind my car.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
It's dark.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
I just see it's a troll car, and I feel
it's this guy in an adjoining beat, just seeing what's
going on. And I look up and it's our sergeant,
Ralph White, little bulldog of a guy. And I look
at my clock in the sword car and I see
it's eight pm. Well one was single at the time,
and all his little girlfriends start calling at eight pm,
(11:39):
and so as a sergeant, he's just leaning on the
window talking to me and when I please don't ring,
please don't ring. And I see one coming back to
the car with the phone rings. Now I just ignore it.
I act like I don't hear it, and it rings again, ring,
ring ring. I'm just sitting there, still riding, Sergeants talking.
One opens the door, he sits down, ring ring ring.
(12:01):
Sergeant taps me on on because hey, hoss, he said,
you shotguns ringing.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I look over at one. One goes, it's not my phone.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Well throw me under the bus. Yeah what yeah, thanks twitch.
But anyway, Sargan just said, all right, boys, look, don't
get caught with that. Okay, I'm not against it, but
you know the rule. Don't get caught with it. So
good sergeant, Yeah, good sergeant.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
He's telling you not to get caught with it when
he's the guy that good right, catch you with right, right, Hey, listen,
at the sergeant level, we don't care.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
But if lieutenant sees this, got yeller. And it wasn't too.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Long after that we all got phones installed in the
cars and all that.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
I think that phone thing was quite a joke because
we did the same thing to Harvey Rubacaba. Let the
sergeant was in on it. We hid one of our
phones in his car, and then he had the storget
meet with him, and then we started calling it right
and she was like a sort of donnad hoop and
at the time and she's like, are you going to
answer that? He goes not my phone? One?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Two, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Well, and yes, I remember to some extent those days. No, yes,
no personal cell phones on duty.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
You cannot have that.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
And at my agency, you know, our cars ran twenty
four hours a day, so we're running twelve hour shifts.
So you would come in for briefing and by the
back door of the station, just inside the vestibule area,
you would sit down your duty bags, got all your
all your stuff, any personal stuff, and then you go
ahead and walk on into detailer into briefing. And then
when we broke brief and you come out, you can
(13:33):
pick up your bag. You're opposite you know, the guy
you're going to take the car from, pulls up, you
throw your stuff in, he gets his out. Well, we
had one officer and I won't name him, he had
his cell phone in his duty bag in the vestibule
area and then he walked on into detail. Well, sergeant
comes through the vestibular area and guy's phone's going off,
(13:55):
and so anyways, he ends.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Up writing him up, right, it writes him up for
having a cell phone on duty.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
It was the next day that the chief then authorized
everybody to carry the cell phones.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Really, I remember sitting in briefing and here in the
butt the pagers on vibrate and the guy's boot top
and everybody suddenly develops in and starts colling and trying
to cover.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
London nowadays, if they couldn't have cell phones. I mean
back then, you probably took calls at a radio tower
with the light flashing, didn't you?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Or you and Doug Uh, Yeah, we rode mules I
ever where we went, and yeah, it was just a
tough time. It was a tough time.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, the yeah, I could imagine. I could not imagine
doing the job now without a cell phone.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Oh no, I mean it's a tool. The tool.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
We'll be able to pick it up and call the
reporting party and get more details.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Absolutely, yeah, while it's happening, map and yeah, des directions
and yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Was trained the guy. I was training guy once and
he showed up. He was actually from another state, and
I had him in his first phase of training. So,
I mean he's he's an experienced officer somewhere else challenged
the challenge our state licensing exam and any passed. So
he comes into comes into training with me in his
first face and day one he I mean, this is
(15:19):
back in the days of actually having a GPS separate
from your phone. He grabs his GPS, plugs in the
cigarette letter, sticks it up on the windshield. I'm mic okay, okay, yeah,
that's that's good for creativity because really the only thing
he needs to learn geography, right, Okay, good, good problem
solving there. Next day came in, he slapped it up
on the windshield and plugged it in. And I ripped
(15:40):
it off the windshield and unplugged it and said, your
GPS isn't working today. And he's like, you, son of
a do you have a maps co box? Yeah? Page
two hundred and e nine.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
I went to work in Irving in nineteen seventy seven,
what was it, Texas Bank, I think at Irving Boulevard
and Main Street or something. They would give the officers
a fold out map of Irving. That's all I have. Wow, Yeah,
that's all we had.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
That was the cool thing. You get a map of
the city, then you take it and you have it laminated,
and then it can fold to certain ways, slighted above
your visor.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Yeah, wow, did you say seventy seven waste?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Then?
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Yeah, Josh, you were a face.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I wasn't even that. I wasn't even a glimmer in
my dad's eye. Josh wasn't even a concept.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Now I'm telling yeah, and now look at him, He's
an anomaly.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Very true.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Now, Doug, you you worked for the Cattle Ranchers Association.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Yeah, I was a special ranger for the Texas and
Southwestern Cattle Raisers Association. Uh. Primarily they focus on cattle theft,
which is still a huge, huge problem in Texas. There's
only thirty of those special Actually now I think there's
twenty seven. But at the time when I was there,
there were thirty of us. And you know, we work
cattle theft, horse theft, farm and ranch related offenses. Were
(17:12):
you know, tractors and implements and trailers and things were stolen,
they would the Sheriff's office would call us out. When
I retired, I was working nine counties and I was
living in Georgetown, worked everything south to San Marcos, and
then everything from Marble Falls east to Brenham and covered
nine counties out there. And I was the only guy,
(17:33):
you know, and my boss was one hundred miles from me.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
And so we did everything electronically or talked them on
the cell phone, you know. And I don't know if
it's just really an interesting job still looking at cattle
brands their ear marks, you know, And it was really
interesting work. I think the last full year that I worked,
our thirty guys were covered or accounted for a little
over five and a half million dollars worth of stolen cattle.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Wow. Yeah, it's pretty country too that you were telling you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, Now if you find a stolen cow and the
owner can't immediately come get it, is there like a
property evidence far?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
I mean the counties that had livestock deputies, that was
their job was to go pick up stray cattle or
cattle that we had recovered or whatever. And they would
have an impound, but it might be at a local
auction barn, it might be a field facility there on.
Like Bastrop County had their own facility where they with
the animal pound and whatever. They also had roomed for livestock,
(18:34):
and sometimes they would have to hire if they didn't
have a livestock deputy, they would have contract cowboys that
they would call and they'd go rope those cattle and
get them on the trailer and take them to an
impound lot, you know, until they could owner could come
get them.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Wow, Josh. In our municipalities, we'd never called for a
record for a heifer. I've chased some cattle in them
a bull one time.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
But.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Really cattle on two wheels.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I remember flashing lights at them, you know, because we
get them there on South belt Line, they'd get out,
and so we would uh try to corral as best
we can with our motor But okay.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
You know what he said, half he chased a half
on the bull. I thought, we don't have to resort to.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
The so so so my first apartment, my first apartment,
we had a bull jump a loading ramp and uh
we chased them.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
It was a bunch of city cops. We didn't know
what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
So we chased it and uh we got it stuck
between like I had to call it like a little
ravine and us, and we're like, all right, we're out
to shoot it because we don't only we don't know
what else to do. And this cowboy and a big
old truck pulls up and cowboy hat and he says,
you boys need some help. Got it roped up?
Speaker 5 (19:49):
And yeah, and uh, y'all were concrete cowboys.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah, I mean, we didn't know what to do. Looked
at us, and we looked at it and we thought,
I guess we're shooting it.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
We had a bull impounded at the Schulenberg Sailbarn, and
Fayette County deputies called and said, you know that they
weren't quite sure what to do with These Two young
deputies weren't quite sure. They weren't calpeople. They didn't know
what to do with it. And that's what I know.
I'll come down her and see if I can help
out with a bull. Had a tag in it's here
that we could run that number through the Texas Animal
Health Commission. Get the bull back. Long story short. The
(20:20):
bulls chasing me down the alleyway of the barn, and
I hear one of these young deputies the holler, run forest, run,
locket out of here alive. I'm gonna kick your bt the.
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Speaker 1 (23:56):
Gosh Jackson, your friendly realtor. That's right, realtor, what ahead?
Josh plug yourself real.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Quick, Josh Sales noorth Texas dot Com. There you go,
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Speaker 1 (24:09):
This is your realtor right here. This is the guy
now joining us in the studio today. We've got retired
Sergeant Mark Vincent and we've got retired Special Ranger Doug Hutchison.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
That would be me.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
That's Doug.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Now, this segment sponsored by our good friends at Alexander
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life insurance, or estate planning, check out Alexander Financial Management
at alex FM dot com. Now, Doug on the break,
you you mentioned something that you you actually want to
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explain to our listeners.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Right right, The commissions for the Special Rangers of the
Texas and Southwestern Cattle Ragers Association come from the Department
of Public Safety. There seem to be you know, confusion
at times that you know, they have the Texas Rightngers
that were organized I think in eighteen twenty three, that
old grand organization. But the Special Rangers of the TSCRA
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are commissioned by the DPS and they were organized in
eighteen seventy seven and their primary focus is, you know,
the cattle fift thing. But you know, there's the Texas
Rangers and then there's the Special Rangers. Even though we're
under the umbrella of the DPS, we actually worked for
and were paid by the Texas and Southwestern Cattle Raisers.
It was just a great, great place to work, awesome people.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
So you're like a ranger, but you're special.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
That's right. Yep, yep, that would be me.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
So do y'all work hand in hand with the rangers?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Yeah, from time to time we would we work cases together.
Uh not just real often, but you know, I had
one that I worked with there in Georgetown, Matt Linderman,
who ended up being a Texas Ranger lieutenant. He and
I are just great friends. He's now the sheriff and
Williamson County. But anytime one of us, either of us
needed a warm body, I would call him and he
would call me in we go work together, even though
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my might not be related to what I do and
vice versa. You know, it was. It was a lot
of fun. We had a great relationship.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Well on the ranger side of things. Seems like a
lot of rangers go off to be sheriffs. Yeah counties,
And there's a bunch right now. Our previous sheriff here
in Wise County, Lane Aiken, right Lane, was a former
lieutenant right rangers.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
So yeah, yeah, we've got a special ranger that's sheriff
in Lipscombe County. He retired from the tsc r A
and now he's sheriff for Lipscomb County. Where is that
way up in the Panhandle, Higgins, I think is where
he lives. But yeah, okay, now.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
If anyone's trying to sell a house in that county, Josh,
I do represent all of Texas. I like to stay
in the metroplex though. Well, Doug, you you actually brought
a story with us today about arresting a woman and
her brother for countlefift.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Yeah, Bastrop County livestock deputy that I would work with
from time to time. He got a call from a
snitch who was trying to work off case.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Snitch is such a tough word, yeah, and he's trying
to get out of trouble.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
So he tells on this guy, this young guy that
he worked for a little municipality, the guy that he's
talking about, the potential cal thief. And so we go
up to this little town and we find this guy
and they call him in off the street to the
city hall down there like the yard back to where
they keep the dump trucks and all this stuff. And
he comes in the break room and we sit down
and start talking to him, and it took about forty
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five minutes, but we got him to crack and he said, yeah,
you know, my sister called me and we got some
cattle from my ex brother in law and blah blah, blah,
blah blah. And then he goes on to tell us,
you know, one question, who is our victim here, who's
you stealing from? Well, his name is such as A
and he's actually an Apache helicopter pilot and he's fighting
in Afghanistan right now. Wow, so you're stealing from one
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of our veterans who is fighting for this country. You
have just raised this case to a whole new and
so we have all our receipts already where they've sold
his cattle and what they were doing. He said, my
sister set this whole thing up, and she paid me
fifty bucks. And I think it was on two different thefts.
They stole fourteen head maybe total, but she would pay
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me fifty dollars to go cash the check. Yeah, and
he said, I went with her on one of I
thank and and said yeah. So he's implicated himself. And
so this is such a long story and I'm gonna
try to get through it fast. But anyway, we start
looking for her. We find out she's on probation for
possession of methamphetamine and I'm shock. Yeah, yeah, through our yeah,
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through this this original snitch. He finds out she's holed
up in a motel in Brenham and was supposed to
be there right then called Washington County detective. A buddy
over there gets on it. He goes to the motel.
The clerk says, now, she left here. She checked out
it like noon, and so while the detective was talking
to he says, the clerk says, wait a minute, the
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phone is lit up. Somebody's in that room right now.
So man, the deputy takes off. He runs up there,
knocks on the door. Of course he's got a DL
picture of her and all this stuff. She answers the door, Hello,
he said, are you so and so? Uh no, oh,
I think you are. Holds up the picture. I think
this is you. And there was, you know, a bench
worn out for her on this, on the probation violation.
So we got her excited back to yeah, to Williamson
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County and got a confession from her, well admission. You know,
it's like I don't you don't understand the whole story
here he owes me money. We had to get the
Provost marshal to get a hold of the pilot in
Afghanistan and get a statement from him and sent it
back to a satellite.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Yeah, but it was a great case.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, no cattle in her hotel room when.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
He no, no, no, she would have passed for one
of them. But I'm telling you, oh.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Man, I'm still amazed that there's an impound lot for them.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I mean, that's that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
You know, when when I worked at the Sheriff's office,
we we actually had one of the parks and wildlife
guys come in that he'd he had arrested a couple
of guys that took some game illegally and all that,
and he, you know, ends up going back to their
place checking the freezers, finds a bunch of venison in there,
and he brought it to the Sheriff's office. He's like,
anybody wants some, Sure, Yeah, I'll take some. He's like, well,
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I need you to sign here that you know I'm
releasing this to you, because they do that because nothing
worse than going and sticking you know, deer meat in
property and evidence room. Although that would be that'd be
great for your evidence, but but yeah, I just ever
come across that with a cow or anything you can't
locate an owner. We've got an abandoned cow destruction order
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from a judge or something.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
I mean, what yeah, I mean we're identifying by brands
or by air works and and but if if they
hadn't either there were cases that were made through DNA
back to the to the cow or the bull, the
herd sire, you know, and we'd make cases that way.
And that wasn't so I got into a couple of those,
I think during my career, but we had a lot
of guys that would make cases that would well.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I why while I've got you here, Doug, I just
I want to throw this offer out there. If you
come across one of your one of your special rangers,
still doing the job and they need some place to
store a.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Cow that can mow a yard.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I've got a great facility out behind the house that
I have to mow the grass at now, and I
would love to have a.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Cat and free fertilizer.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
That's where to go.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
But I don't need a pet cow, but I'd love
to have one come visit for a couple of weeks
and just mow the art.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
That could be a fun offbeat thing. The cow Patty
have a dissues throw, you know, all the co hosts
firsts the host that doesn't sound fair.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
I'm an Olympic competitor when it comes to cow Patty tall.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
This is one of the qualifiers to become a speci worry.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Well, you know that's right.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
So I got asked this. I mean, you've obviously looked
at a lot of brands. Have you seen like some
that you're like, this is the coolest brand I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Gosh, I mean there were a lot. I can't think
of anything right off the top of my head, but
uh yeah, I mean and you read them top to bottom,
left to right, you know, just like you and some
of them could get pretty ornate, really, you know, because
you wouldn't want like, if your last name is Rutherford,
you don't don't you know, just put an R on
say the left hip. There are six locations on a
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cow that you can brand or horse, and the horse
you can also put it on the jaw. But yeah,
so sometimes you kind of want to get a little
creative to make yours unique. And you know, the Texas
brand laws are kind of crazy, uh Like in a
lot of the Western states, if you've got an R
on the left hip. Nobody else in say New Mexico,
Colorado can have that R on the left hip. And Texas,
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if you leave Wise County and step over into Denton County,
somebody can register that same brand in Denton County. Really,
so it kind of and we have a you know,
a brand inspection computer where you can you know, you
can run brands. We could check seller history over the computer,
over our smartphones.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Wow wow, it's like placing your own vend number on
your county.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
There you go, seventeen digit v number.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Of cows had been traded, A bunch had come in,
look like a tattoo parlor, have brands all over them.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, sleeves. He's been in the impound, Yeah, more than one.
It's got tear drops coming down. It's I've been on
all around. It's been a hard life.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Wow, yeah, that that's just.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I love asking you about that because it's something that
most of us don't have any right.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
You know, a lot of the rural shrif's offices are
well versed with us, but you know, city cops they
never come in contact and have no reason to you know.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
No they I mean, we dread the day we find
the cow running down the road. Yeah, that was a mess.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
I remember I had a fellow in the warned I
had to call Harris County one time and see if
they could help me. Their fugitive unit could help find
this guy down southern Harris County. And I get this
woman sergeant on the phone. I'm telling her. She goes,
now you're with who? And so I explained it to her.
I had to send a copy of my dps I
D card to her and all this kind of and
then she, you know, she calls her right back. She goes, oh, okay, okay,
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Well some of these guys up.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Here have heard of you.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
So the outfit they know what it is. All right,
what do you need? So they go find this guy
overnight they found him, Wow, and put him in jail.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Now getting away from Heifer's and moving back towards the
concrete side of things, Mark, I understand they're in Irvin.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
You worked with family member at one point.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well tell us tell us about
tell us about that.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Well, when I was had just gotten out of the
basic academy and stuff, we obviously you go to training
and stuff, and my brother, who's a lieutenant with irving.
Still he's still there. And he and I were on
the same shift. We were on day ship. Well, his
wife also was an irving officer and she worn't nights,
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so we would ride share together because we were, like said,
we were on the same shift. And we looked close.
And so I had bought a new car and I
had left the house and we're heading in and we're
running up beltline and we'd catch a red light and
I look in my rearview mirror and his wife was
behind us.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Perfect.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Yeah, So I'm telling him, I said, hey, man, if
your wife's behind us, and you know, he's like, man
with a light turns green, take off. I know that
shocks you, right, So I did. I floored it, and
you could tell she was ready to just be off
work and took a little bits headed bond. She said
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to the station to go home after a long night.
And she's probably thinking and what kind of an idiot
is doing this? And uh so it takes a little bit,
but all of a sudden, lights come on, so you know,
we're giggling, laughing. We pull over. I see her get
out of the car. She's heading up there. It's still
kind of dark, so she's got her flashlight in her
left hand as she's walking up, and uh.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
My brother and I were up there kind of giggling.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
As soon as she looks around because I got dark
tenor windows, roll my window down. She looks around, she's
at me. She takes her out of her left hand,
takes her stream light flashlight and whack just I mean,
right across my forehead. She don't say anything to me,
she doesn't ask for anything. She just whacks me in
the head, turned around and walks off. And then you
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hear that wholl which she goes around us. It takes off.
I'm sitting there rubbing my head and my brother's dying laughing.
We head on the end of the station and briefing
fixes start. I walk in to sit down, and she
walks past me, and all she says is that wasn't funny,
and then leaves. And of course I'm here rubbing my
nod on my hair and my brother's laughing. He thinks,
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I'm like, dude, can you control your wife? And that's
one of those like for dy oh yeah, and the
ones you can break winshield.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Well, we could have left, could have you know, left
me permanently disabled.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Yeah, well, Marked, you kind of were.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I didn't want to say that, but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
I just said the quiet out loud.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Well, you've known Mark a lot of time, so that's.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Right now, Mark, some of your you know, some of
the other stuff you're talking about. You're talking about being
a DR instructor, Yes, yeah, yeah, how long you have
been doing that?
Speaker 5 (37:34):
I have been a DR instructor since nineteen ninety seven,
since ninety four, and instructors since ninety seven.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
And again I joked about, Hey, that's a that's easy class.
We obviously that's a joke. We we know that's a
that's diff difficult curriculum to learn. I can only imagine
it's got to be difficult to teach as well.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
It is.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
It is a It's something I'm very passionate about, is
taking the standard, you know, alcohol driving and enhancing it
a little bit more to the fact that we have
drug impair drivers driving around and I think every officer
knows it. But I will tell you, when we have
these classes, a lot of guys will come in and
they are very stressed.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
In the beginning.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
A lot of them won't come because they've heard so
many bad stories about how hard it is, hardest class
they've ever been to.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
And then they know you're teaching the class on top
of that that brain damage from Yeah, that's that.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
Brain damage part. But we actually go a lot further
as instructure. We got some of the best structures in
the state of Texas, I would say across the United
States right here in Texas. And so we put a
lot into training this and we have a lot of
successful officers, a lot of guys that are scared, and
after you know, about the first few days of not
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speaking to us because they're so scared, they start opening up,
start learning and we have you know, we very rarely
ever fail people, but we have fad failures before.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Well, and then that's that's a shame. But now, have
you ever played a joke on any of your maybe
I preak that you will.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Never anybody that. I mean, you got to you gotta
lighten it up.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
So if it's so stressful in that classroom and you're
working on a tough topic there, then yeah, I mean
you got to inject a little humor in there.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Yeah, you know you have occasionally you have h the
one that'll that you're you can pick on a little
bit and you know they can take it. So when
we had their last final test or one hundred question
tests in two weeks of very stressful training, multiple quizzes
and things with all the students. After they take the test,
to pass it out, pass it in, uh, they have
to step outside the classroom and then we call them
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in one at a time, or we'll let the whole
class and everybody passes. But I do like to, you know,
just pick out somebody and just call them in and visit,
because then everybody else is looking.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Like, oh my gosh, that's not amazing.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
So they come in and you know, they got those
big eyes looking at you, going, oh my god, don't
tell me I failed. So you know, I did take
a test whe and it was a blank one, but
they couldn't see the side I had, and I said, well,
you know, you really did pretty good. But and I
ripped it in half. I said, you just didn't make it,
you know, and they just stood there. I mean, I
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I don't know if that was a bad thing, you know,
for me or for them, but uh, I told him,
I said, now, I'm just kidding you, pastor, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I mean, yeah, they probably still nightmares about that.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
I would have been a choking out of fans there.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
Well, yeah, I don't pick the big guy. Sometimes we
get some guys in there. I'm like, no, I wouldn't
play this joke, not on that guy.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
It has its limits, Yes, it does have its limits.
I can take that guy, So I'm going to play
the joke on him.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Yeah, or at least I'm on the other side of
the table to take it a little longer to get
around to me.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Right ring around the rosie. That's right.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
And Mark, you even shared an academy story talking about
out the gun range.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
Yeah, we uh again, back when I first started, some
of these stories just kind of come back up, and
I remember we were Uh. I went through the academy
in eighty nine. So in the beginning, we actually had
the revolvers or somebody calls them the wheel guns, and
we had to train the revolvers, had to qualify for them,
and then we transitioned into the automatics immediately and had
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to qualify with those two. So I went through. Specifically,
there was four of us from Irving PD that were
there and uh, we're all on the line and the
instructor says, uh, you know, one round each time the
target turns. This is the first time we'd been out
there that explained all the rules and everything, and so
as soon as the target turns, all of us drawl
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is bam. You know. We all put our weapons back
in our holsters and we hear this bam bam bam
untill six times and we look down and it's one
of our buddies with irving PD and man, he's so
proud of himself. He kind of looks over at us,
and he's like, what we're like one round? He's like,
I did one round all the way around the cylinder.
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Like I don't think that's quite what he meant. Oh
he said one round, not one revolution. Yeah that's right.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Ah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
But you know what, I don't know if you guys
felt this way, but anytime I went out for qualifications,
I mean, yeah, you're wearing ear protection, so you're trying
to listen to what the next drill is and you
want to make sure you got it right. You've you
ran your gun dry on this drill and then you
had to reload, but you didn't have time to reload
a full magazine, so you're not really sure how many
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rounds you've got in there? They're like got three left
to the right, one to the left holstered.
Speaker 5 (42:28):
You know, I loved shooting. I mean, qualifications were great.
I mean they were giving us pretty bullets to shoot,
so let's shoot as moon as I can. That was
also fun.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
And now when I go to retiree qualifications, my eyesight
being what it is, I have to ask for the
coordinates first.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Of the retiring.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
Yeah, fire in a hole when you read.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Well, I've enjoyed going to my retire qualifications just because
it's it's so more so much more laid back.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
A lot less going out there. He's like, you know,
take a range instructor and that walk down with him.
He's like, Okay, do this, do that, do this.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Do that? All right?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Like you mean I don't have to I don't have
to shoot on the rifle the shotgun. We're not going
to turn off the lights and do this in the dark.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Well, I mean really it's a great time opportunity to
pass out business cards.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
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Speaker 3 (43:26):
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Speaker 2 (43:31):
Absolutely. Steve had no idea. What was control of.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
This whole thing?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Oh my gosh, yeah, now Mark you Uh, let's plug
you real quick, Mark.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
All right.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
So yeah, we purchased a franchise in the Blue Line
pess police. There several of our franchises. I run the
one from uh Keller South Lake Grave Flyne all the
way north pretty much. But you know, I dealt with
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to the six and eight leg pat Now, so uh,
I'd love to have the business and come out and
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Speaker 2 (44:08):
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I can vouch for him. He's he's taking care of
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Speaker 5 (44:14):
And yes we did give a law enforcement discounts, nurse discount,
teacher discounts, first responder discounts all the way across the board.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
How does somebody get ahold of.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
You man to call my cell phone nine four zero
nine zero two five one two seven, or they can
call the office, which is actually my wife's number at
eight one seven five eight four five seven one five
Very good, yea.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
And then uh it does you've got a magazine there
in the end.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
Well, actually, yeah, my wife has a digital magazine and
online magazine. It's it's published quarterly and it's called Clearly
Texas Magazine dot com. And we travel all over Texas
just you know, interviewing interesting people and beautiful places and
we're really enjoying that. We're saying, you know, there is
life after law enforcement. And a few ask me, you know,
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ten years ago when I retired, what I'd be doing
I would have never give in a million years. But
we're having a ball.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yeah, all right, what was that? What was this?
Speaker 4 (45:10):
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Speaker 2 (45:10):
Again?
Speaker 4 (45:10):
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the studio today. We've got retired Sergeant Mark Vincent and
retired Special Ranger Doug Hutchison. So I love it. That
was a nice salute, Doug. If you're watching on YouTube,
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an officer and you'd like to be a guest on
the show, send us an email to Offbeatcopshow at gmail
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(48:14):
We'd love to hear your story. And as a matter
of fact, josh Onna, if we've talked about this on
our website, we've got a little microphone button on there
and you can click the microphone and you can tell
us your story.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Right there. It'll send it to us via via voicemail.
So that's another way to do it.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
If you can't make it in the studio, guys, then yeah,
go to offbeatcopshow dot com, click on the little microphone,
say who you are, where you're from, and tell us
your story.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
We'll use it on the show. It can be used
to kiss you, Okay. In that case, just say this
is racer X.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
Yes, and you check the Statute of limitation. Yes, that's important.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Now, Doug, we're gonna we're gonna get to this final
story on today's show. And you titled it Carl's Day
with the Governor.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
Yeah, my friend Carl Bennett was a Louisiana State Police trooper,
just an awesome guy, and he passed away a little
over a year ago. And I'm going to tell this
story in his honor because at his funeral, we attended
his funeral down there in deep south Louisiana and the
state Police, one of the retired state police Colonels was
there and tells this story about Carl, and I thought
(49:24):
it was such an awesome story I needed to repeat this.
But anyway, he said, Carl was assigned as a young
trooper to go pick up the governor, the incumbent governor
who was running for reelection, and at a little airport
and take him to Bogalusa to the school down there,
and they had a gymnasium. They said, go in there
and just deliver him to the gymnasium. He's going to
get on the stump and give his spill and blah
(49:45):
blah blah. So Carl's like, okay, I got it. Carl
was one of these real slow talking Deep South kind
of guys. Funny funny, funny, funny. So he picks up
the governor and governm gets in the car and he
said he doesn't want to say two words to carl
and he said the driver wrong. There in the high
we've trolled car, the state police vehicle, and the governor
just looks over. Carlos says, who's the superintendent of schools
(50:08):
and Bogolusa And he said, Governor, I'm sorry, I'm not
from Boga Lusa. I don't have any idea. I apologize.
And he said he could tell that made the governor
not happy. You know, a couple of minutes go by
and he said he looks over at Carlos's Trooper, who's
the head football coach at Boga LUSA. Again, Governor, I'm sorry,
(50:28):
I don't know who that is. I'm not from there.
And the governor says, well, you don't seem to know
very much. And he says, all do respect, governor, but
it seems though I know as much as you do, so.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
You are the one asking.
Speaker 4 (50:44):
Yeah, And the colonel says, and I probably got a
phone call from the governor, which I did absolutely nothing about,
you know, but yeah, I just thought that that boy,
there's a prime opportunity right there to burne the governor.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
Burne is a very strong word. All right, Well that's
what we got for today's show. Mark, Doug, it's toys
a pleasure having you guys in and Josh, it's always
it's always real having you.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
It is. It's very very very real. That's that's that's
a good way.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
Let us know you're there.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
All right, guys, until next time, keep it real, keep
it funny, stay safe and watch each other.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
Six
Welcome, Welcome to Off thet the Light Side of Law Enforcement,
part of the Treehouse Podcast Network. On today's show, we'll
hear about working with family, spending the day with a governor,
and so much more so.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Sit back, relax, and get ready to laugh.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Uh speaking of laugh nice with the lights there, Josh,
I'm trying to be I love that. Yes, Steve here
and as we just mentioned, we welcome co host for today, Josh.
Josh flipped the switch on the lights, Jackson.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I may it may happen anytime on the show, you
know that, right? Yeah, you're you kind of I don't
miss it. I miss it. Is it a twitch or something?
Just kind of yeah, Hey, just be glad. I'm not
writing you a ticket too, So you can't do that anymore.
You're not saying it has any like, you know, legal
bounds or anything.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Just humor.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, just take it. I'm just taking okay, Josh, I
won't do it.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I know the chief deputy in this county, so oh yeah,
he can probably get it through.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Hey, I know his admin assistant though. Yeah that's a
trump card. Yeah, yeah, I've got back up. Moving right along.
We're joined by two guests today. We've got retired Sergeant
Mark Vincent. Hello, and we've got retired Special Ranger Doug Hutchison.
(01:55):
Both you gentlemen have been here before. Welcome back for
having Yeah, it's anxious to hear some some more of
y'all y'all stories. I mean, you guys have so much
and I think we've already established And in the previous episode,
you guys were on everybody used to ride on two
wheels around here.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And who's the guy in the room that didn't?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
But you did the best you could.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I did, you know, I did. I was bad enough
on four wheels. They weren't about to move me to two.
In fact, didn't they take you out of the car
and put you in the office. Yeah, there was that.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
There was that.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Hey, I enjoyed the office that is climate controlled. That's true.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Well, he's probably the only one of the four of us.
It wasn't kind of thrown off, you know, little sideways anyway.
So they said, well, well we'll set him and let
these other guys.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Right, They moved me in to protect me as an asset.
They wow, asset, All right, Josh, you got put on
two wheels. That well, you know if he falls over. Yeah,
it's true. They just figured I put my feet down,
so which I did.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, because you definitely didn't put your kicks down.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
No, I didn't this office for so long, every time
I pull up to a red light my truck, I'd
opened the door and put my foot on the ground.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Hey, truck kickstand. That's right now. Now, Mark, let's let's
start with you. You are retired, yes, all right?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
How long? How long were you in law enforcement? Well?
Speaker 5 (03:21):
I'm actually still reserving for Denton County, but thirty five
years now, but I retired as a sergeant with Irving
after a little over thirty years.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Okay, so thirty years retired as a sergeant with Irving, Yes,
but still reserving.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yes, correct.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Okay, is that just to hold your commissioner? Is that
because you still want to piece the action?
Speaker 5 (03:41):
No, I mostly just hold my commission I just help
with some training and some teaching some of the deputies
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
There. Wait, what kind of what kind of training do
you do with those guys?
Speaker 5 (03:51):
The standout field sobriety testing, the a ride classes they'd
been intro tried, and pair driving and drug recognition expert training.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Oh d R e train. Yes, I heard that's a
that's an easy class. Oh well, you know, I guess uh.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
I don't think many people would agree with you that,
but yeah, we do our best to get them through it.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
That's so, if you're still reserving, does that mean you're
going to be at the riots in downtown this weekend?
Speaker 5 (04:18):
You know? I actually talked to my serdant yesterday and
he said they got pulled. They're getting pulled in for tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Really.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
I'm like, uh, yeah, you're not going to call me
or he goes, we didn't give any right gear, did we?
I said, no, you didn't.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I'm out. You can get off Amazon's Okay, Well are
my grandsons? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, you know I still think you can sit in
a command post. Yeah, that's true that I have no
problem there.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
If I make controled right, the office perfect. Now, Doug,
you you're retired as well?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
All right? How many? How many years? Thirty nine years total?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I did?
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Started off as a like a book service officer, a
cadet with Dallas PD, and I just stayed down there
for about two and a half years working in traffic vision,
then got hired on by Irving as an officer, did
at over twenty seven years there and I ended my career.
I was a special ranger for the Texas and Southwestern
Cattle Racers Association for a little over nine years, and
(05:18):
that's where I unplugged it and let my commission go
and said, that's all.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
She wrote, I'm done. That's it.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Yep, I'm done. Yeah. And I wouldn't take a million
bucks for that career, but I was just done.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
That's hey, when you're done, you're done. When you say
when you say I'm done, I'm done.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
There is life after law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
There is life. There's there's a lot of opportunities.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Well, I'm telling you, man.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
That's I'm not sure that that a lot of guys
are aware of that, but yeah, there are so many,
so many different opportunities out there for retired officers.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yep, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, there's all sorts of opportunities. Mark, you brought you
actually brought me a gift today.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I did. Man, this is a T shirt, explained to me.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
So, this is a friend of ours that has been
doing the Mad Walk for years. I started this thing
in mad Walk back in the nineties with mad As
far as memorization, for officers that have gotten run over
or victims of drunk driving. And so Steve put this
shirt together this last year, and what it is is
(06:23):
all the officers and the Metroplex that have been run
over or killed by drunk drivers over the years. Unfortunately,
there's a lot of names on there, and it's Metroplex
officers to honor them and for the loss. The very
front of the badge is from Irving.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
There.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
That was Glenn Holmes killed July third, nineteen ninety three
by drunk driver, our first officer we lost the line
of duty, and so we just followed up with it
after that got involved in mad And this shirt's got
a lot of names, Like I said, way too many names.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, I mean, sadly enough, I'm sitting there looking at
the patches that that are displayed on the back of
this hyar sure, and I'm looking at the names on here,
and I'm looking at how many names I'm familiar with,
not not because I knew the officers, but because I
know they're families now. And that's uh man, You've You've
(07:14):
got Billy Randolph on there from Fort Worth obviously, Dwayne
Friedo from Fort Worth. That's Dwayne's near and dear to
my family. But yeah, you've got Mitchell Pitton. I mean,
you've got from Dallas, Givens, Metzler, you got a lot
of a lot of heroes listed on that on that shirt,
and that that sure is a you know, God, I
(07:35):
hate that their name is on this shirt.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
It's sobering when you say I'm group of blackli It
is a sobering thought.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, I hate to see. Yeah, you know, Karen and
I go to Washington, d C. For National Police Week
every year, and I I wish that one year we
could go up there and not have anybody to memorialize.
Same thing, but the state Memorial or Texas State Memoral.
I wish sometime we could go up there just to
(08:06):
just for the camaraderie and not have anybody to honor. Absolutely,
and you know, maybe maybe one year we can get
to that point. But yeah, that's man. I appreciate the
shirt mark absolutely, I mean that that is great. I
mean I hate the I hate the reason for it.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
But yeah, they thank.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
You, sir.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I appreciate it. Their memory still lives, oh, absolutely, always honored,
never forgotten. Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
I have one part where mine quite frequently yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And I mean we here, I know, even if you're
listening to the show, we've we actually have a traffic
sign here in the studio that says please don't drink
and drive and memory of Officer Dwayne Freedo December seventeenth,
two thousand and six. I thought, hey, there's no better
place to put this sign. I mean, it was displayed
on Interstate thirty five there south of thirty where Dwayne
(08:57):
unfortunately was killed, but state rules the sign can only
be displayed in that area for one year or so.
That wow for work's POA asked Karen if she wanted
and she said yes, and you know what, let's let's
put it in the studio. So yeah, you know, rest
in peace to all our heroes that are out there
and everybody else out still doing the job.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Y'all stay safe.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Now, Doug, you you brought a couple of stories with
you today here I'd like to get into and you
know you've titled your stories. I haven't heard him yet,
so I'm excited. I mean, I hope you don't blindside me.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
On this or no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
But one of these you titled partner's cell phone.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Yeah, that was my partner and my patrol partner in
irving for a little while we were working the evening shift.
Juan Perez just a super get officer, a great guy,
and we partnered off and on over the years and
in pro car. But we were out that this was
back in the late eighties. I guess no, I take
that back, it would have been early nineties. Anyway, we're
(10:02):
working a two man unit and we had to rule
there in the department where you couldn't have cell phones
in the cars. You weren't even supposed to have pagers,
which everybody carried on vibrate in their boot top, but
we weren't supposed to have phones in the car. Well,
he had one of those big bagphones in the black
bag and you had to plug it into a cigarette lighter.
You all remember those.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
It's like a hand crank to power right right.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Exactly, big thing like you're fixing a call in an
AIRSTRIKEE what it looked like. But anyway, he would hide it.
Back when we had the radio rack between us, you know,
there was a console that had this radio rack and
then the shotgun was mounted next to that vertically. Well,
he would hide that bag phone between the shotgun rack
and the radios, and so we got on a call
(10:46):
and it was a little disturbance. Deal, wasn't much to it.
We're in an apartment complex and I had headed into
a parking space and we went in, took care of it.
It was nothing to it. We'd come back once, says
oh man, I forgot to get this guy's phone number.
I'll be back in just a minute. Well, this was
during the time, you remember when the calls were free
after eight pm until like eight am. They didn't charge
you minutes. This is how long ago this was. So yeah, okay, yeah, okay. Anyway,
(11:13):
We're sitting there in the car and I'm catching up
an activity sheet and another unit pulls in behind my car.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
It's dark.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
I just see it's a troll car, and I feel
it's this guy in an adjoining beat, just seeing what's
going on. And I look up and it's our sergeant,
Ralph White, little bulldog of a guy. And I look
at my clock in the sword car and I see
it's eight pm. Well one was single at the time,
and all his little girlfriends start calling at eight pm,
(11:39):
and so as a sergeant, he's just leaning on the
window talking to me and when I please don't ring,
please don't ring. And I see one coming back to
the car with the phone rings. Now I just ignore it.
I act like I don't hear it, and it rings again, ring,
ring ring. I'm just sitting there, still riding, Sergeants talking.
One opens the door, he sits down, ring ring ring.
(12:01):
Sergeant taps me on on because hey, hoss, he said,
you shotguns ringing.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I look over at one. One goes, it's not my phone.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Well throw me under the bus. Yeah what yeah, thanks twitch.
But anyway, Sargan just said, all right, boys, look, don't
get caught with that. Okay, I'm not against it, but
you know the rule. Don't get caught with it. So
good sergeant, Yeah, good sergeant.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
He's telling you not to get caught with it when
he's the guy that good right, catch you with right, right, Hey, listen,
at the sergeant level, we don't care.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
But if lieutenant sees this, got yeller. And it wasn't too.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Long after that we all got phones installed in the
cars and all that.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
I think that phone thing was quite a joke because
we did the same thing to Harvey Rubacaba. Let the
sergeant was in on it. We hid one of our
phones in his car, and then he had the storget
meet with him, and then we started calling it right
and she was like a sort of donnad hoop and
at the time and she's like, are you going to
answer that? He goes not my phone? One?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Two, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Well, and yes, I remember to some extent those days. No, yes,
no personal cell phones on duty.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
You cannot have that.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
And at my agency, you know, our cars ran twenty
four hours a day, so we're running twelve hour shifts.
So you would come in for briefing and by the
back door of the station, just inside the vestibule area,
you would sit down your duty bags, got all your
all your stuff, any personal stuff, and then you go
ahead and walk on into detailer into briefing. And then
when we broke brief and you come out, you can
(13:33):
pick up your bag. You're opposite you know, the guy
you're going to take the car from, pulls up, you
throw your stuff in, he gets his out. Well, we
had one officer and I won't name him, he had
his cell phone in his duty bag in the vestibule
area and then he walked on into detail. Well, sergeant
comes through the vestibular area and guy's phone's going off,
(13:55):
and so anyways, he ends.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Up writing him up, right, it writes him up for
having a cell phone on duty.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
It was the next day that the chief then authorized
everybody to carry the cell phones.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Really, I remember sitting in briefing and here in the
butt the pagers on vibrate and the guy's boot top
and everybody suddenly develops in and starts colling and trying
to cover.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
London nowadays, if they couldn't have cell phones. I mean
back then, you probably took calls at a radio tower
with the light flashing, didn't you?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Or you and Doug Uh, Yeah, we rode mules I
ever where we went, and yeah, it was just a
tough time. It was a tough time.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, the yeah, I could imagine. I could not imagine
doing the job now without a cell phone.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Oh no, I mean it's a tool. The tool.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
We'll be able to pick it up and call the
reporting party and get more details.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Absolutely, yeah, while it's happening, map and yeah, des directions
and yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Was trained the guy. I was training guy once and
he showed up. He was actually from another state, and
I had him in his first phase of training. So,
I mean he's he's an experienced officer somewhere else challenged
the challenge our state licensing exam and any passed. So
he comes into comes into training with me in his
first face and day one he I mean, this is
(15:19):
back in the days of actually having a GPS separate
from your phone. He grabs his GPS, plugs in the
cigarette letter, sticks it up on the windshield. I'm mic okay, okay, yeah,
that's that's good for creativity because really the only thing
he needs to learn geography, right, Okay, good, good problem
solving there. Next day came in, he slapped it up
on the windshield and plugged it in. And I ripped
(15:40):
it off the windshield and unplugged it and said, your
GPS isn't working today. And he's like, you, son of
a do you have a maps co box? Yeah? Page
two hundred and e nine.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
I went to work in Irving in nineteen seventy seven,
what was it, Texas Bank, I think at Irving Boulevard
and Main Street or something. They would give the officers
a fold out map of Irving. That's all I have. Wow, Yeah,
that's all we had.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
That was the cool thing. You get a map of
the city, then you take it and you have it laminated,
and then it can fold to certain ways, slighted above
your visor.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
Yeah, wow, did you say seventy seven waste?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Then?
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Yeah, Josh, you were a face.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I wasn't even that. I wasn't even a glimmer in
my dad's eye. Josh wasn't even a concept.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Now I'm telling yeah, and now look at him, He's
an anomaly.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Very true.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Now, Doug, you you worked for the Cattle Ranchers Association.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Yeah, I was a special ranger for the Texas and
Southwestern Cattle Raisers Association. Uh. Primarily they focus on cattle theft,
which is still a huge, huge problem in Texas. There's
only thirty of those special Actually now I think there's
twenty seven. But at the time when I was there,
there were thirty of us. And you know, we work
cattle theft, horse theft, farm and ranch related offenses. Were
(17:12):
you know, tractors and implements and trailers and things were stolen,
they would the Sheriff's office would call us out. When
I retired, I was working nine counties and I was
living in Georgetown, worked everything south to San Marcos, and
then everything from Marble Falls east to Brenham and covered
nine counties out there. And I was the only guy,
(17:33):
you know, and my boss was one hundred miles from me.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
And so we did everything electronically or talked them on
the cell phone, you know. And I don't know if
it's just really an interesting job still looking at cattle
brands their ear marks, you know, And it was really
interesting work. I think the last full year that I worked,
our thirty guys were covered or accounted for a little
over five and a half million dollars worth of stolen cattle.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Wow. Yeah, it's pretty country too that you were telling you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, Now if you find a stolen cow and the
owner can't immediately come get it, is there like a
property evidence far?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
I mean the counties that had livestock deputies, that was
their job was to go pick up stray cattle or
cattle that we had recovered or whatever. And they would
have an impound, but it might be at a local
auction barn, it might be a field facility there on.
Like Bastrop County had their own facility where they with
the animal pound and whatever. They also had roomed for livestock,
(18:34):
and sometimes they would have to hire if they didn't
have a livestock deputy, they would have contract cowboys that
they would call and they'd go rope those cattle and
get them on the trailer and take them to an
impound lot, you know, until they could owner could come
get them.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Wow, Josh. In our municipalities, we'd never called for a
record for a heifer. I've chased some cattle in them
a bull one time.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
But.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Really cattle on two wheels.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I remember flashing lights at them, you know, because we
get them there on South belt Line, they'd get out,
and so we would uh try to corral as best
we can with our motor But okay.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
You know what he said, half he chased a half
on the bull. I thought, we don't have to resort to.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
The so so so my first apartment, my first apartment,
we had a bull jump a loading ramp and uh
we chased them.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
It was a bunch of city cops. We didn't know
what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
So we chased it and uh we got it stuck
between like I had to call it like a little
ravine and us, and we're like, all right, we're out
to shoot it because we don't only we don't know
what else to do. And this cowboy and a big
old truck pulls up and cowboy hat and he says,
you boys need some help. Got it roped up?
Speaker 5 (19:49):
And yeah, and uh, y'all were concrete cowboys.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Yeah, I mean, we didn't know what to do. Looked
at us, and we looked at it and we thought,
I guess we're shooting it.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
We had a bull impounded at the Schulenberg Sailbarn, and
Fayette County deputies called and said, you know that they
weren't quite sure what to do with These Two young
deputies weren't quite sure. They weren't calpeople. They didn't know
what to do with it. And that's what I know.
I'll come down her and see if I can help
out with a bull. Had a tag in it's here
that we could run that number through the Texas Animal
Health Commission. Get the bull back. Long story short. The
(20:20):
bulls chasing me down the alleyway of the barn, and
I hear one of these young deputies the holler, run forest, run,
locket out of here alive. I'm gonna kick your bt the.
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And we're back back to more Offbeat the light side
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Speaker 2 (23:55):
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This is your realtor right here. This is the guy
now joining us in the studio today. We've got retired
Sergeant Mark Vincent and we've got retired Special Ranger Doug Hutchison.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
That would be me.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
That's Doug.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
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at alex FM dot com. Now, Doug on the break,
you you mentioned something that you you actually want to
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explain to our listeners.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Right right, The commissions for the Special Rangers of the
Texas and Southwestern Cattle Ragers Association come from the Department
of Public Safety. There seem to be you know, confusion
at times that you know, they have the Texas Rightngers
that were organized I think in eighteen twenty three, that
old grand organization. But the Special Rangers of the TSCRA
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are commissioned by the DPS and they were organized in
eighteen seventy seven and their primary focus is, you know,
the cattle fift thing. But you know, there's the Texas
Rangers and then there's the Special Rangers. Even though we're
under the umbrella of the DPS, we actually worked for
and were paid by the Texas and Southwestern Cattle Raisers.
It was just a great, great place to work, awesome people.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
So you're like a ranger, but you're special.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
That's right. Yep, yep, that would be me.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
So do y'all work hand in hand with the rangers?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Yeah, from time to time we would we work cases together.
Uh not just real often, but you know, I had
one that I worked with there in Georgetown, Matt Linderman,
who ended up being a Texas Ranger lieutenant. He and
I are just great friends. He's now the sheriff and
Williamson County. But anytime one of us, either of us
needed a warm body, I would call him and he
would call me in we go work together, even though
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my might not be related to what I do and
vice versa. You know, it was. It was a lot
of fun. We had a great relationship.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Well on the ranger side of things. Seems like a
lot of rangers go off to be sheriffs. Yeah counties,
And there's a bunch right now. Our previous sheriff here
in Wise County, Lane Aiken, right Lane, was a former
lieutenant right rangers.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
So yeah, yeah, we've got a special ranger that's sheriff
in Lipscombe County. He retired from the tsc r A
and now he's sheriff for Lipscomb County. Where is that
way up in the Panhandle, Higgins, I think is where
he lives. But yeah, okay, now.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
If anyone's trying to sell a house in that county, Josh,
I do represent all of Texas. I like to stay
in the metroplex though. Well, Doug, you you actually brought
a story with us today about arresting a woman and
her brother for countlefift.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
Yeah, Bastrop County livestock deputy that I would work with
from time to time. He got a call from a
snitch who was trying to work off case.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Snitch is such a tough word, yeah, and he's trying
to get out of trouble.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
So he tells on this guy, this young guy that
he worked for a little municipality, the guy that he's
talking about, the potential cal thief. And so we go
up to this little town and we find this guy
and they call him in off the street to the
city hall down there like the yard back to where
they keep the dump trucks and all this stuff. And
he comes in the break room and we sit down
and start talking to him, and it took about forty
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five minutes, but we got him to crack and he said, yeah,
you know, my sister called me and we got some
cattle from my ex brother in law and blah blah, blah,
blah blah. And then he goes on to tell us,
you know, one question, who is our victim here, who's
you stealing from? Well, his name is such as A
and he's actually an Apache helicopter pilot and he's fighting
in Afghanistan right now. Wow, so you're stealing from one
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of our veterans who is fighting for this country. You
have just raised this case to a whole new and
so we have all our receipts already where they've sold
his cattle and what they were doing. He said, my
sister set this whole thing up, and she paid me
fifty bucks. And I think it was on two different thefts.
They stole fourteen head maybe total, but she would pay
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me fifty dollars to go cash the check. Yeah, and
he said, I went with her on one of I
thank and and said yeah. So he's implicated himself. And
so this is such a long story and I'm gonna
try to get through it fast. But anyway, we start
looking for her. We find out she's on probation for
possession of methamphetamine and I'm shock. Yeah, yeah, through our yeah,
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through this this original snitch. He finds out she's holed
up in a motel in Brenham and was supposed to
be there right then called Washington County detective. A buddy
over there gets on it. He goes to the motel.
The clerk says, now, she left here. She checked out
it like noon, and so while the detective was talking
to he says, the clerk says, wait a minute, the
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phone is lit up. Somebody's in that room right now.
So man, the deputy takes off. He runs up there,
knocks on the door. Of course he's got a DL
picture of her and all this stuff. She answers the door, Hello,
he said, are you so and so? Uh no, oh,
I think you are. Holds up the picture. I think
this is you. And there was, you know, a bench
worn out for her on this, on the probation violation.
So we got her excited back to yeah, to Williamson
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County and got a confession from her, well admission. You know,
it's like I don't you don't understand the whole story
here he owes me money. We had to get the
Provost marshal to get a hold of the pilot in
Afghanistan and get a statement from him and sent it
back to a satellite.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Yeah, but it was a great case.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, no cattle in her hotel room when.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
He no, no, no, she would have passed for one
of them. But I'm telling you, oh.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Man, I'm still amazed that there's an impound lot for them.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I mean, that's that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
You know, when when I worked at the Sheriff's office,
we we actually had one of the parks and wildlife
guys come in that he'd he had arrested a couple
of guys that took some game illegally and all that,
and he, you know, ends up going back to their
place checking the freezers, finds a bunch of venison in there,
and he brought it to the Sheriff's office. He's like,
anybody wants some, Sure, Yeah, I'll take some. He's like, well,
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I need you to sign here that you know I'm
releasing this to you, because they do that because nothing
worse than going and sticking you know, deer meat in
property and evidence room. Although that would be that'd be
great for your evidence, but but yeah, I just ever
come across that with a cow or anything you can't
locate an owner. We've got an abandoned cow destruction order
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from a judge or something.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
I mean, what yeah, I mean we're identifying by brands
or by air works and and but if if they
hadn't either there were cases that were made through DNA
back to the to the cow or the bull, the
herd sire, you know, and we'd make cases that way.
And that wasn't so I got into a couple of those,
I think during my career, but we had a lot
of guys that would make cases that would well.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I why while I've got you here, Doug, I just
I want to throw this offer out there. If you
come across one of your one of your special rangers,
still doing the job and they need some place to
store a.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Cow that can mow a yard.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I've got a great facility out behind the house that
I have to mow the grass at now, and I
would love to have a.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Cat and free fertilizer.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
That's where to go.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
But I don't need a pet cow, but I'd love
to have one come visit for a couple of weeks
and just mow the art.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
That could be a fun offbeat thing. The cow Patty
have a dissues throw, you know, all the co hosts
firsts the host that doesn't sound fair.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
I'm an Olympic competitor when it comes to cow Patty tall.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
This is one of the qualifiers to become a speci worry.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Well, you know that's right.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
So I got asked this. I mean, you've obviously looked
at a lot of brands. Have you seen like some
that you're like, this is the coolest brand I've ever seen.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Gosh, I mean there were a lot. I can't think
of anything right off the top of my head, but
uh yeah, I mean and you read them top to bottom,
left to right, you know, just like you and some
of them could get pretty ornate, really, you know, because
you wouldn't want like, if your last name is Rutherford,
you don't don't you know, just put an R on
say the left hip. There are six locations on a
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cow that you can brand or horse, and the horse
you can also put it on the jaw. But yeah,
so sometimes you kind of want to get a little
creative to make yours unique. And you know, the Texas
brand laws are kind of crazy, uh Like in a
lot of the Western states, if you've got an R
on the left hip. Nobody else in say New Mexico,
Colorado can have that R on the left hip. And Texas,
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if you leave Wise County and step over into Denton County,
somebody can register that same brand in Denton County. Really,
so it kind of and we have a you know,
a brand inspection computer where you can you know, you
can run brands. We could check seller history over the computer,
over our smartphones.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Wow wow, it's like placing your own vend number on
your county.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
There you go, seventeen digit v number.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Of cows had been traded, A bunch had come in,
look like a tattoo parlor, have brands all over them.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah, sleeves. He's been in the impound, Yeah, more than one.
It's got tear drops coming down. It's I've been on
all around. It's been a hard life.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Wow, yeah, that that's just.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I love asking you about that because it's something that
most of us don't have any right.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
You know, a lot of the rural shrif's offices are
well versed with us, but you know, city cops they
never come in contact and have no reason to you know.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
No they I mean, we dread the day we find
the cow running down the road. Yeah, that was a mess.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
I remember I had a fellow in the warned I
had to call Harris County one time and see if
they could help me. Their fugitive unit could help find
this guy down southern Harris County. And I get this
woman sergeant on the phone. I'm telling her. She goes,
now you're with who? And so I explained it to her.
I had to send a copy of my dps I
D card to her and all this kind of and
then she, you know, she calls her right back. She goes, oh, okay, okay,
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Well some of these guys up.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Here have heard of you.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
So the outfit they know what it is. All right,
what do you need? So they go find this guy
overnight they found him, Wow, and put him in jail.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Now getting away from Heifer's and moving back towards the
concrete side of things, Mark, I understand they're in Irvin.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
You worked with family member at one point.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well tell us tell us about
tell us about that.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
Well, when I was had just gotten out of the
basic academy and stuff, we obviously you go to training
and stuff, and my brother, who's a lieutenant with irving.
Still he's still there. And he and I were on
the same shift. We were on day ship. Well, his
wife also was an irving officer and she worn't nights,
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so we would ride share together because we were, like said,
we were on the same shift. And we looked close.
And so I had bought a new car and I
had left the house and we're heading in and we're
running up beltline and we'd catch a red light and
I look in my rearview mirror and his wife was
behind us.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Perfect.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Yeah, So I'm telling him, I said, hey, man, if
your wife's behind us, and you know, he's like, man
with a light turns green, take off. I know that
shocks you, right, So I did. I floored it, and
you could tell she was ready to just be off
work and took a little bits headed bond. She said
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to the station to go home after a long night.
And she's probably thinking and what kind of an idiot
is doing this? And uh so it takes a little bit,
but all of a sudden, lights come on, so you know,
we're giggling, laughing. We pull over. I see her get
out of the car. She's heading up there. It's still
kind of dark, so she's got her flashlight in her
left hand as she's walking up, and uh.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
My brother and I were up there kind of giggling.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
As soon as she looks around because I got dark
tenor windows, roll my window down. She looks around, she's
at me. She takes her out of her left hand,
takes her stream light flashlight and whack just I mean,
right across my forehead. She don't say anything to me,
she doesn't ask for anything. She just whacks me in
the head, turned around and walks off. And then you
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hear that wholl which she goes around us. It takes off.
I'm sitting there rubbing my head and my brother's dying laughing.
We head on the end of the station and briefing
fixes start. I walk in to sit down, and she
walks past me, and all she says is that wasn't funny,
and then leaves. And of course I'm here rubbing my
nod on my hair and my brother's laughing. He thinks,
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I'm like, dude, can you control your wife? And that's
one of those like for dy oh yeah, and the
ones you can break winshield.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Well, we could have left, could have you know, left
me permanently disabled.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Yeah, well, Marked, you kind of were.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I didn't want to say that, but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
I just said the quiet out loud.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Well, you've known Mark a lot of time, so that's.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Right now, Mark, some of your you know, some of
the other stuff you're talking about. You're talking about being
a DR instructor, Yes, yeah, yeah, how long you have
been doing that?
Speaker 5 (37:34):
I have been a DR instructor since nineteen ninety seven,
since ninety four, and instructors since ninety seven.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
And again I joked about, Hey, that's a that's easy class.
We obviously that's a joke. We we know that's a
that's diff difficult curriculum to learn. I can only imagine
it's got to be difficult to teach as well.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
It is.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
It is a It's something I'm very passionate about, is
taking the standard, you know, alcohol driving and enhancing it
a little bit more to the fact that we have
drug impair drivers driving around and I think every officer
knows it. But I will tell you, when we have
these classes, a lot of guys will come in and
they are very stressed.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
In the beginning.
Speaker 5 (38:12):
A lot of them won't come because they've heard so
many bad stories about how hard it is, hardest class
they've ever been to.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
And then they know you're teaching the class on top
of that that brain damage from Yeah, that's that.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
Brain damage part. But we actually go a lot further
as instructure. We got some of the best structures in
the state of Texas, I would say across the United
States right here in Texas. And so we put a
lot into training this and we have a lot of
successful officers, a lot of guys that are scared, and
after you know, about the first few days of not
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speaking to us because they're so scared, they start opening up,
start learning and we have you know, we very rarely
ever fail people, but we have fad failures before.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Well, and then that's that's a shame. But now, have
you ever played a joke on any of your maybe
I preak that you will.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Never anybody that. I mean, you got to you gotta
lighten it up.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
So if it's so stressful in that classroom and you're
working on a tough topic there, then yeah, I mean
you got to inject a little humor in there.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Yeah, you know you have occasionally you have h the
one that'll that you're you can pick on a little
bit and you know they can take it. So when
we had their last final test or one hundred question
tests in two weeks of very stressful training, multiple quizzes
and things with all the students. After they take the test,
to pass it out, pass it in, uh, they have
to step outside the classroom and then we call them
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in one at a time, or we'll let the whole
class and everybody passes. But I do like to, you know,
just pick out somebody and just call them in and visit,
because then everybody else is looking.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Like, oh my gosh, that's not amazing.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
So they come in and you know, they got those
big eyes looking at you, going, oh my god, don't
tell me I failed. So you know, I did take
a test whe and it was a blank one, but
they couldn't see the side I had, and I said, well,
you know, you really did pretty good. But and I
ripped it in half. I said, you just didn't make it,
you know, and they just stood there. I mean, I
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I don't know if that was a bad thing, you know,
for me or for them, but uh, I told him,
I said, now, I'm just kidding you, pastor, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I mean, yeah, they probably still nightmares about that.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
I would have been a choking out of fans there.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
Well, yeah, I don't pick the big guy. Sometimes we
get some guys in there. I'm like, no, I wouldn't
play this joke, not on that guy.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
It has its limits, Yes, it does have its limits.
I can take that guy, So I'm going to play
the joke on him.
Speaker 5 (40:39):
Yeah, or at least I'm on the other side of
the table to take it a little longer to get
around to me.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Right ring around the rosie. That's right.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
And Mark, you even shared an academy story talking about
out the gun range.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
Yeah, we uh again, back when I first started, some
of these stories just kind of come back up, and
I remember we were Uh. I went through the academy
in eighty nine. So in the beginning, we actually had
the revolvers or somebody calls them the wheel guns, and
we had to train the revolvers, had to qualify for them,
and then we transitioned into the automatics immediately and had
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to qualify with those two. So I went through. Specifically,
there was four of us from Irving PD that were
there and uh, we're all on the line and the
instructor says, uh, you know, one round each time the
target turns. This is the first time we'd been out
there that explained all the rules and everything, and so
as soon as the target turns, all of us drawl
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is bam. You know. We all put our weapons back
in our holsters and we hear this bam bam bam
untill six times and we look down and it's one
of our buddies with irving PD and man, he's so
proud of himself. He kind of looks over at us,
and he's like, what we're like one round? He's like,
I did one round all the way around the cylinder.
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Like I don't think that's quite what he meant. Oh
he said one round, not one revolution. Yeah that's right.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Ah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
But you know what, I don't know if you guys
felt this way, but anytime I went out for qualifications,
I mean, yeah, you're wearing ear protection, so you're trying
to listen to what the next drill is and you
want to make sure you got it right. You've you
ran your gun dry on this drill and then you
had to reload, but you didn't have time to reload
a full magazine, so you're not really sure how many
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rounds you've got in there? They're like got three left
to the right, one to the left holstered.
Speaker 5 (42:28):
You know, I loved shooting. I mean, qualifications were great.
I mean they were giving us pretty bullets to shoot,
so let's shoot as moon as I can. That was
also fun.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
And now when I go to retiree qualifications, my eyesight
being what it is, I have to ask for the
coordinates first.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Of the retiring.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
Yeah, fire in a hole when you read.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
Well, I've enjoyed going to my retire qualifications just because
it's it's so more so much more laid back.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
A lot less going out there. He's like, you know,
take a range instructor and that walk down with him.
He's like, Okay, do this, do that, do this.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Do that? All right?
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Like you mean I don't have to I don't have
to shoot on the rifle the shotgun. We're not going
to turn off the lights and do this in the dark.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Well, I mean really it's a great time opportunity to
pass out business cards.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
Yeah, there you go. Absolutely absolutely and talk about clearly
Texas Magazine, dot Com.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Yes and uh and Blue Line Police.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Absolutely. Steve had no idea. What was control of.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
This whole thing?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Oh my gosh, yeah, now Mark you Uh, let's plug
you real quick, Mark.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
All right.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
So yeah, we purchased a franchise in the Blue Line
pess police. There several of our franchises. I run the
one from uh Keller South Lake Grave Flyne all the
way north pretty much. But you know, I dealt with
two leg pests for thirty years and decided to go
to the six and eight leg pat Now, so uh,
I'd love to have the business and come out and
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take care of any kind of rodents, any kind of insects,
things like that, mosquitos.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
We take care of all that stuff. We can vouch.
I can vouch for him. He's he's taking care of
some of my properties, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
And yes we did give a law enforcement discounts, nurse discount,
teacher discounts, first responder discounts all the way across the board.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
How does somebody get ahold of.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
You man to call my cell phone nine four zero
nine zero two five one two seven, or they can
call the office, which is actually my wife's number at
eight one seven five eight four five seven one five
Very good, yea.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
And then uh it does you've got a magazine there
in the end.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
Well, actually, yeah, my wife has a digital magazine and
online magazine. It's it's published quarterly and it's called Clearly
Texas Magazine dot com. And we travel all over Texas
just you know, interviewing interesting people and beautiful places and
we're really enjoying that. We're saying, you know, there is
life after law enforcement. And a few ask me, you know,
(45:00):
ten years ago when I retired, what I'd be doing
I would have never give in a million years. But
we're having a ball.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yeah, all right, what was that? What was this?
Speaker 4 (45:10):
Sight?
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Again?
Speaker 4 (45:10):
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Awesome. Check it out, guys.
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Speaker 1 (46:39):
And we're back back to more offbeat, the light side
of law enforcement. We've got two guests join us in
the studio today. We've got retired Sergeant Mark Vincent and
retired Special Ranger Doug Hutchison. So I love it. That
was a nice salute, Doug. If you're watching on YouTube,
(47:01):
you just got to see Doug salute. So that being said, guys,
yes the show. You can watch the show on YouTube.
If you do, hit that subscribe button, give us a like, follow,
share all that good stuff. Check us out on Facebook
and Instagram. Also, if you haven't done so yet, check
(47:21):
out our check out our website.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
I was trying to figure out we're saying that time,
Oh God.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
Check out the website Offbeatcopshow dot com. There on the
website you can listen to all episodes as well as
We've got a link at the top of the page
for the RMS Treehouse Listeners Foundation. We'd encourage you to
click on that link take a look there. Of course,
the foundation, established many years ago, provides financial assistance to
the surviving family members of fallen officers and firefighters here
(47:53):
in the Dallas Fort Worth area. Covers ten County, so
very important. Foundation's doing good work. I'd invite you to
check it out and make a donation. Also, if you're
an officer and you'd like to be a guest on
the show, send us an email to Offbeatcopshow at gmail
dot com. Again, that's Offbeat Coopshow at gmail dot com.
(48:14):
We'd love to hear your story. And as a matter
of fact, josh Onna, if we've talked about this on
our website, we've got a little microphone button on there
and you can click the microphone and you can tell
us your story.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Right there. It'll send it to us via via voicemail.
So that's another way to do it.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
If you can't make it in the studio, guys, then yeah,
go to offbeatcopshow dot com, click on the little microphone,
say who you are, where you're from, and tell us
your story.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
We'll use it on the show. It can be used
to kiss you, Okay. In that case, just say this
is racer X.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
Yes, and you check the Statute of limitation. Yes, that's important.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Now, Doug, we're gonna we're gonna get to this final
story on today's show. And you titled it Carl's Day
with the Governor.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
Yeah, my friend Carl Bennett was a Louisiana State Police trooper,
just an awesome guy, and he passed away a little
over a year ago. And I'm going to tell this
story in his honor because at his funeral, we attended
his funeral down there in deep south Louisiana and the
state Police, one of the retired state police Colonels was
there and tells this story about Carl, and I thought
(49:24):
it was such an awesome story I needed to repeat this.
But anyway, he said, Carl was assigned as a young
trooper to go pick up the governor, the incumbent governor
who was running for reelection, and at a little airport
and take him to Bogalusa to the school down there,
and they had a gymnasium. They said, go in there
and just deliver him to the gymnasium. He's going to
get on the stump and give his spill and blah
(49:45):
blah blah. So Carl's like, okay, I got it. Carl
was one of these real slow talking Deep South kind
of guys. Funny funny, funny, funny. So he picks up
the governor and governm gets in the car and he
said he doesn't want to say two words to carl
and he said the driver wrong. There in the high
we've trolled car, the state police vehicle, and the governor
just looks over. Carlos says, who's the superintendent of schools
(50:08):
and Bogolusa And he said, Governor, I'm sorry, I'm not
from Boga Lusa. I don't have any idea. I apologize.
And he said he could tell that made the governor
not happy. You know, a couple of minutes go by
and he said he looks over at Carlos's Trooper, who's
the head football coach at Boga LUSA. Again, Governor, I'm sorry,
(50:28):
I don't know who that is. I'm not from there.
And the governor says, well, you don't seem to know
very much. And he says, all do respect, governor, but
it seems though I know as much as you do, so.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
You are the one asking.
Speaker 4 (50:44):
Yeah, And the colonel says, and I probably got a
phone call from the governor, which I did absolutely nothing about,
you know, but yeah, I just thought that that boy,
there's a prime opportunity right there to burne the governor.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
Burne is a very strong word. All right, Well that's
what we got for today's show. Mark, Doug, it's toys
a pleasure having you guys in and Josh, it's always
it's always real having you.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
It is. It's very very very real. That's that's that's
a good way.
Speaker 4 (51:20):
Let us know you're there.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
All right, guys, until next time, keep it real, keep
it funny, stay safe and watch each other.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
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