June 25, 2025 • 50 mins
This 58th episode is NO HOLDS BARRED with former Detention Sgt. Justin Patrick and Deputy Andrew Leonard sharing funny, wild, and true stories about making friends in jail, exhibitionist female inmates, a very curious cabana boy, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
Welcome, Welcome to Offbeat, the Light Side of Law Enforcement,
part of the Treehouse podcast Network. On today's show, we're
going to be talking about interactions with inmates, cabana boy, opportunities, yeah, now,
hiring right, and so much more. Steve here a co
(00:47):
host for today, Detective Curtis Hadley.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Great to be your guests, and we're.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Joined with two guests in studio. We've got former detention
sergeant Justin Patrick.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Hello, Justin, how you doing? Also known as JP?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
And we've got Deputy Sheriff Andrew Leonard, So welcome, Welcome, gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And we're going to refer to Andrew as AJ, not
a L. Hey L. The J is silent, Yeah, the
jay silent. That's right. Klipinia is not silent. Curtis, well,
there's no J. It's not a gelopino, depending on from
which part of the stage. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Okay, Well, I and I wasn't even referred to the pronunciation.
I was referring to I've never eaten a silent.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
It's not silent. Later, I'm prom with you that no,
actually that orange ones. Yeah, give that about twelve hours
and see if it's still silent or Okay, anything new
going on? Same OL's lamo here man, same o. Nothing
new out of the four side of things. No, we're
keeping it quiet.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Man. It's summertimes definitely picked up though, I mean our
shooting stuff like that. But no, it's it's business as usual.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
We know, for kids, it's hard to find something fun
to do in the summertime when you're out of school.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
So yeah, I mean, if you can't shoot houses up,
what can you do?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I mean, yeah, during the school, you're stuck in you know,
you're stuck in class all day long. You don't have
the free time to get out there and really, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Spill the guns.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Sorry, I mean I heard cocaine's a whole of a drug,
So yeah, I heard smells funny.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Okay, yeah, no, we we where were we?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah? That is terrible. Let's get back at Combeta boys.
That's even better. Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Now, JP, you you're a former detention sergeant correct uh for?
And you worked at the Sheriff's office, right, I did?
Yea what department? Uh kalk kanny Sheriff's office? And how
long were you there?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Right at nine and a half years? Okay, No, no
longer doing the job. Nope. Oh the uh.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
And you you were a detention sergeant, so you're in
charge of of and make care and those that care
for the inmates.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Yes, but more specifically, I was a booking sergeant. So
when you first get arrested, so in second release okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So fresh off the streets, coming in under the influence
all those good things.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
We're still riled up.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
That's that's where all the fun stuff happens.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
And I actually started, I've mentioned on the show before
I started for the Great I started working in law
enforcement for the greg County Sheriff's Office out in Longview,
out in East Texas. And yes, I worked in booking also,
and we elevator doors should open up. You never knew
what was Gonnah, it's gonna happen. The elevated doors open up.
You go an officer and a full blown, you know,
all out fight with somebody in there, and it's.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, this is zero to sixty and nothing flat. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Some some of the greatest memories I've got there. You go,
it's the worst kind of box of chocolates. Thought sometimes
that's actually chocolate on them.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
That's literally what I was gonna say. Now, aj you
are currently a deputy.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yes' same agency, right, correct, Colin County, Colin County.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
How long? How long have you worked there?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
It'll be eight years this December? Okay, started start off
into jail like most folks of.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
This you know it.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Okay, and you guys, you guys said you had a
story about how you first met each other.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Oh, yeah, we we could not stand each other, hated him.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
It tells Yeah, Curtis and I are starting to relate
to this. Yeah, absolutely, this guy he's nuts.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Uh. I'll let AJ tell the story because he tells
it just so much better than I do.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
He's is he nicer about it versus your version. He's
a better storyteller than I am. Okay, and he just
tells us one story.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Just okay.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Kids gathered around, Yeah, gather around the campfire and listen
to grandpa's stories.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Definitely the data of the group right here, so that
kind of helps. It's all you AJ.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
So you know, you have to be licensed in the
state to do corrections, peace officer, pretty much anything of
a professional nature. So the jail licensing course is where
we first met. It's only like a four week long
class or a yeah, four week long class and the
last week of the of the licensing class is direct supervision,
(05:13):
basically the core principles of being a jailer. Right, this
is where you learn this class. Well, he had been
there long enough, brand new. I'm probably only four or
five months in three months off of training, still don't
know anything where we meet. He had been there long
enough that they decided to send him back through direct supervision.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Actually, I got tired of working for a while, so
volunteer to go to this class just so I could
have some time off.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Okay, that makes sense too, Yeah, but also because of
our interaction, it told me you probably needed to be there, Yeah,
because I forgot half of stuff we were taught. We
were talking about this on the way over here. One
of the things that they teach you in direct supervision
is the nine principles of direct supervision. It is the
way that we run our jail. They teach you the
(05:59):
nine print that you need to remember always to be
able to do the job and not forget what we're
doing here and why we're doing it. And so the
teacher at the time, I don't remember who it was,
it might have been Pawned, but knowing that he had
been was pawned, Yeah, knowing that he had been here
for quite some time, looked at him and said, you know,
(06:19):
justin why don't you tell us the nine principles of
direct supervision, hoping that he was going to be able
to exactly verbatim from the heart.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Not a chance. I got like the four of them.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Nothing like like throwing you under the bus and putting
you on the spot like that.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I just wanted to break and you got to call
me out. And one of the most important for real
quick though, just so people who listening to understand what
direct supervision is or three tops to jails. You have
direct supervision, which means you're in a pod with the inmates.
You have linear which is what you see in the
movies with the bars and you walk on the hallway,
and then you have indirect, which is you have the pods. However,
(06:56):
the officers in a bubble watching over the pod. So
when we're talking about direct supervision, people understand what why
we're naming it direct supervision.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
So you guys are in there in the pods. Yes,
if riot happens, they closed that door and we're locked
in there with him. Well that sounds like fun.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
It's actually one of the safest styles of jails that
you can think of. Really, we the most we've had
is what a couple what's it called, not a riot
but skirmishes. No rebellion gets squashed real quick.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
But rebellion star wars term.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Just for clarification, that was what we call a golden
retriever moment on Justin Patrick's part. So she pond looks
at him and says, why don't you give me the
nine principles direct supervision? This is when I look over
and I look at him, and I look at him
and say, man, this guy isn't want to be cop.
He's laid back undervest belt on gun shades in the epaulet.
(08:00):
But I know he's a detention officer, and I'm like,
I hate him. I instantly hate him. You know, you
got this want to be that's been over here for
X amount of years and can't name these simple principles.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Look at this idiot right So on my end, I
see him. We should we have brought a counselor on today.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
I think we put him on the opposite the ends. I
didn't realize that we got it. We'll figure it out.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Yeah, okay, he told me this was going to be
a counseling session. Am I in the wrong place?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Definitely? When you get billed, you'll know.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Okay, great, go ahead, my son tell us about your brother.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
So coming for me, I'm looking at him and I've
already heard about him, right, I'm like, Oh, this dude's arrogant.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
He just knows it all.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
So we're doing everything and he's loud, you know, to me,
going over the top, and I'm like, I can't stand
this dude.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And then he.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Class gets done and what is it? Two months later
you transferred buck in. Yeah, and then what was it
that we were like, you're kind of cool, you.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
Know, I can't remember what what actually brought us together
that that, you know, that singularity point in time that
was like, Okay, this guy knows what he's talking about.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
We each had one of those moments. I think for
me it was when you took six out of a
twelve hour shift to try to identify one guy that
was not identifying in the jail, using fingerprints, calling the state,
checking fbis and cell numbers, and I was like, holy crap,
this guy actually cares, you know, he did the job
the way that it was supposed to be done and
was able to get this guy identified by going the
(09:27):
extra mile, and I was like, you know what, he's
cool with me. Still might be a little bit of
a but he's good with not might be I am
at the right right opportunity. Well for me and Steve's
when we stacked our bunk beds together, so.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
It's more room for activities. But I love step brothers.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Okay, so so you developed some respect for him at
that point in time. Could he recite those nine principles then?
I mean absolutely, I can't.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I couldn't even remember one. I don't know any of them.
I mean I think maybe one it was what competent
staff mm hm. We tried.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
We tried this on the in the truck on the
way over here. He didn't do any better than on
day number one, so actually I.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Probably did worse. Well, now he's not getting paid to
do it. No, yeah, yeah, now you can erase it
from your memory. I did. Now you got you guys.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I mean obviously he just let out that you guys
work together in uh in the jail, so any you.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Know, I know a lot happens in the jail.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
We talked about book in just a minute ago, and yes,
before before someone goes through the streets. You you know,
it's very beneficial if they do work in the jail.
I think it should be a requirement.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
And there's many people that share that.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I would not disagree with you because even when I
was in the when I was in the county jail. Uh,
I mean, we we classified our offenders. You got your maximum, medium,
in your you know minimum, and I worked book in
and maximum and fenders.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
And you're in it.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
You're in a tank with eight guys that are in
there and they're all in there for murder and you're
in there with your handcuffs and looking to pepper spray.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
You got to learn to talk to people. Yeah, you
gotta learn to communicate. Actually, the POD officers don't even
get pepper spray ooh. They if something pops off, the
responding officers, who are only certified to carry the pepper
spray can retrieve it from the cluster.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
And for how big Collin County is, it's not one
officer to eight, it's more like one to seventy two.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Well, state law speaking, it's forty two to one. But
the way the pot is worked out, it's it's essentially
seventy two to one. Okay, yeah, I hope we weren't
revealing any secrets here. Oh no, no, this is this is state.
It's all approved by state mandate. All right, Yeah, the
jail standards, right correct.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Very good.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I would hope i'd know that because I'm also a
tea constructor.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Very good. So I taught how people had to be
attention officers.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
How did detent? How did a detent? Yeah? Specifically I
specialize in a book.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
In so.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Okay, yeah, no, I I enjoyed booking. And I had
one guy. This is a sad, kind of a sad deal,
but he he was an adult and he was an
older teen and had a his girlfriend who was a juvenile.
He was driving around the convenience stores and unfortunately she
was robbing the stores and she was you know, she
(12:26):
she took the lives of all the clerks where they're
at Oh wow. And he got busted and he he
came in and I was actually doing his fingerprints and
he's like, they can't do anything to me. I didn't
do anything, And I just smiled and said, you've got
no idea?
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Yeah, yeah, accessory. It's like, yeah, this isn't gonna work
out well for you, buddy.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
But yeah, I learned so much again going back to
working in a jail before you hit the streets, I mean,
how you learn to communicate with people. That's that's the
biggest part of being being in law enforcement, being an officer,
especially on the streets, is communication.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well. Communication. It teaches you how to we'll respect people
who aren't cops.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Get that. Get that you know I'm mister police officer.
Out of your head.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Oh yeah, yeah, you can't be a robot out there.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Well, it also teaches you how to how to have
take control in controlled chaos. Yeah, it goes out on
the street it's not controlled well. And even whenever whenever
I was training new.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Officers, if I had an officer in the first phase,
I love when I we do our first traffic stock
say go there, hello, my name is I mean, it
was was great.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
It's like robot.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I always go up there and grab him by their
by their back belt, loop et comre. Minute, that's a
human you're talking to. Man, Just relax, be on guard,
expect the worst, but talk to them like anybody else.
And that's yeah, I mean, you've got to get that experience.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Seven step violator on paper. Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Now talking about communication and related to you guys both
meeting each other, well, I guess technically they met in jail.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah they did.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Yeah, yeah, back in the day when you all were
in jail together. Uh, you guys community to prison tats
to prove it. We don't need to see those.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
That's where the boy comes in.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, we'll get to that one later. But you guys
communicated with a lot of inmates in there. Any any
stories of your interactions with with inmates? Too many account
too many accounts.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Well, the best part of interacting with inmates, I think
is being able to find the ones that know they
messed up and you can have a true, honest conversation
about why they're here and and make a difference in
somebody's life. I remember, I remember having a conversation with
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a young mother that was on her like third d
wy and she just wasn't getting the picture. She wasn't
getting the picture until it was to the point of
where she was getting her child taken away from her.
And and you could see that just by pulling her aside.
Because now that you've seen her for the third time,
like you've been in jail, She's come in three times
for the same thing, Right, you can finally have a
(15:11):
conversation with her that is meaningful to her life and
get her to change around, make a change, do everything
that she needs to do that the courts have told
her she needs to do for her offense, win her
daughter back, and live a healthier life. And being able
to see that inmate, you know, a year and a
(15:33):
half later on the street, not expecting it, and get
that story from her that the conversation that you had
with her, treating her like a human being that third
time was what she needed to be able to straighten
things out and you know, set down the booze and
get her child back and live a better life. So
having those kinds of conversations with inmates is probably the
(15:55):
best part of the communication.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I'll drink to that.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, oh wow, sorry, I I I don't know. I
feel like, I mean, have you thought about going into
counseling and not like your own counseling, actually being a counselor.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
I I don't know if I'm gonna want to do
that after this job. We do enough of it out
on the streets that probably like, no, thank you well.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
And that's that's what we all joke about.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I mean, you're expected to go out enforce the law,
you know, handle any kind of situation. And then yet
you're still a counselor to people, and you got to
be a parent to kids out there.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I mean, there's all sorts of stuff, but you do.
But uh, anything funny happened in the jail.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Well you guys, you guys always hesitate here, I mean
makes makes me nervous.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Well, so we had this guy and he was tweaking hard,
but he kept laying on the floor book and you
can't land the flight one. You don't want to land
the floor because God knows what's.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
In that imagine. So I noticed he's disappeared, and I'm
a startant at this point.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Wait wait wait wait, okay, so you got to gain
in the booking area and he's disappeared.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Okay, So the way our booking is, it's not like
stealed off. You can just sprint out of book in
or at least when I was there, and just run
around in the jail. And I've had a couple foot
pursuits in the jail. In the jail, yeah, and starved
me to cover on me.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
People were seamore surprised on how fast I am, but
he's not.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
I can't find him. So I go looking around, not
under the chairs. I go to the shower house and
all that, I can't find him. I hear him pie
walk out to the open waiting mail restroom. Open the
door and I look down and in the restroom it's
just a singular toilet, but on the wall is this
panel that goes to I guess water pipes and everything.
(17:45):
He had busted that out and he's trying to crawl
up the wall and I grabbed him by his feet
and I'll pull him out, and all you hear here
go ah, and my staff come running right and he's
like kicking me and stuff, but he's screened and bloody.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Murder, and I think I forgot about that story. Yeah,
And I was like, if you don't stop, you're getting
it right. And I was known like I stopped fighting people.
If you fight me, you're getting a can't a face
full of pepper?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Oh okay?
Speaker 4 (18:13):
And I stuck that pepper in his face and he goes, okay, okay, okay,
I'm chilling. I'm chilling right. As soon as we get
him in the handcuffs. He like tries to kick off again.
We put him on their strangth bed. It took him
about five minutes before he's crying, pleading to get off.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
So he's not even been booked into jail yet, but
he's already planned his escape, all right, And you do
have to plan ahead.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
It's a go gain right there.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Wow, yeah, nothing, nothing, nothing like planning your escape before
you're actually uh, as you booked in, you said he
hit him with hit him with a dose of pepper spread.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Oh no, I've threatened it. You threatened it, but you
didn't have to deploy. No, uh.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
And that's what I was known for. Actually, So I
stopped fighting. I sit at my desk and if I
heard some inmate get loud, I just pulled my dropeen
and popped that can of pepper on and my staff.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Now take care of her. I'm spraying his ass.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Hit him, hit him with the uh, the jalapeno, with
the with the silent j right.
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And we're back back to more Offbeat the light side
of law Enforcement. I'm your host, Steveford, co host for
today's show, Detective Curtis Hadley.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Great to be here and we're joining with.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Two guests in the studio today. We've got former detention
Sergeant Justin Patrick aka JP, Thanks for having me on.
And we have Deputy Sheriff Andrew Leonard aka a j Appion.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
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Speaker 2 (22:44):
All right, got so real quick.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Since y'all got to tell you jail stories, I'm gonna
jump in with a quick one here because I didn't
get to geek out like y'all did with the whole
jail intake. I didn't understand a lot of it, but well,
all we have is a holding area getting ready to
send with jail for Fort Worth, you know, and as
usually ran by a jail or now was a round.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
By Terren County.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
So when we were walking up to the jail to
turn them in, you know they'd be they would do
all this little dat last ditch efforts. You know, we're
trying to, you know, get out of something there. So
I want to kill myself. So I would turn to
them and I would say hello, I would I would
give him a very stern conversation. Lets me, this is
not something you take lightly. If you are wanting to
hurt yourself, you need to make sure that the guy
in there knows. As soon as you walk in. And
(23:24):
so soon as we walk in and go I want
to kill myself or hurt myself, they'd be butting naked
and hauled off in the chair. I'm like, see you
later by So after that, I was like, I guarantee
you they've never said that in jail. After that, there
are some trigger words that you just like, yeah, like
make sure he knows, make sure if they were joking, absolutely, smock.
(23:44):
Absolutely they can learn a lesson. Yeah, they they get
We we had like a padded suit.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
That strap around on him. Then they go inside a
padded cell.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Was just there was just like a chair they were
they were naked a chair with straps on them. Man
like like you're moving to a fetreator yeah, we caught
it a turtlesuit there you go.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
See, Well, whenever if we rested someone and they were
you know, an apeal if you will, the apel arrest
where you know, we determined that they're a d interesting
to themselves or others and they needed to get mental
treatment and get a mental evaluation. We used to take
them down to the old Parkland in Dallas and you
(24:25):
would just roll up there, you go inside with them
and if the if they started acting crazy or anything
like that, you'd have just all the Medical district police.
They wo just come in, snatch them up and pull
them down. Doctor comes in with a big syringe.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
The button came over. But it was nice because they
you know, as an arresting officer when when I I'd
walk in there, they would just grab them from me
and they go they go handle it and like all right.
So I guess you guys have been waiting for me
to get your beau. I think that was that was
their highlight. They had a lot of fun with that.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I bet. Oh, now you guys.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
You guys had some more more stories. Aj you had
mentioned one in regards to forgetting evidence.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Yeah, so I've been out on the streets for this
is the start of my second year now from being
in the jail for five and a half years, and so,
you know, still still working on all of those crazy
stories that happened through the course of a law enforcement
offster's career. But yeah, yeah, the first one that I've
got is, you know, you never want to forget the
evidence that you have to put somebody in jail because it's.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
The traffic stop.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
It was at the beginning, it was a suspicious vehicle
call back of a subdivision that was still being built.
No lights, car sitting there obviously shouldn't be suspicious person
place times that whole thing, and one of my deputy
counterparts checked out on it. Suspicious activity going on inside
the car, see some you know, some stuff in plane
(25:55):
sight pulls them out of the car, sor just the
car finds nine grams of meth along with a pistol
and some other things.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
So, oh that's a good bop. Yeah, that was a
pretty good one.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
He also had a full half empty bottle or half
full whichever way you think about it of Jack Daniels too,
So all the way around, there was not some good
stuff going on there. And so you know, we do
everything we need to do to take pictures, gather the
collect the evidence, and my partner starts going off to jail. Well,
(26:26):
I go on about my business, and about ten minutes
before he's supposed to be at the jail, he comes
over the radio and says, give me a call. So
I call him and he goes. He goes, hey, man,
where's the meth? And I'm like, what are you talking about?
I packed it all up for you and I handed
it to you. That was the last thing I did.
He was like, well, yeah, I know, but I can't
(26:47):
find it. What do you mean you can't find the myth?
It's nine grams of myth and a pipe, Like how
do you lose that? And so I was like, all right, well,
I'll go back and check to see. I was like,
did you take it off of the hood after I
gave it to you, because I know you said it
there And I even looked at you and said make
sure you don't forget your evidence, and he said, oh,
I got it.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I got it.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
So I was like, all right, well, you take that
guy to jail and I'll go back and see if
maybe it's in the street somewhere. Sure enough, right where
he turned the car, it slid off the hood and
so there's a pipe and nine grams of meth laying
on the on the concrete.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Well, a couple of kids playing with it. Fortunately not
at two thirty at night. So that was there goes
our chain of custody. Okay, we got this, yeah exactly.
So I didn't tell him that I found it. Alright.
There we go, There we go for a little bit,
and so it begins. It was like a twenty five
minute drive to the jail.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
So he's in the jail and doesn't have cell service,
so the only way that I can reach him is
on the radio. But I'm not going to, you know,
throw him under the bus and tell him all right,
So I just drive to the jail. Well, as I'm
pulling into the sally Port, he calls me on the radio.
As the Sallyport door is open, I see him ask
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deep in the back end of the car, gear pulled out,
drawers pulled open, and my lieutenant standing there watching him,
and he's sweating, wet and trying to find this stuff.
And I pull up with this smile on my face
and roll down the window and he's like, man, I
can't find it. I don't know what happened to it.
It was in the car, I promise you he was
in the car, and I just raised my hand like
(28:20):
this and show him the nine grams of meth that
he pulled off. This guy and his he's just the
look of relief on his face.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
But then I looked to my left and there's my
lieutenant standing there and he's looking at me, and he's
shaking his head.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Like that would have been That would have been like
steak dinner worthy right there, my friend, next next ship.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
That's probably the funniest story that I have up up
to this point.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, because whenever, whenever you got dope and guns together,
and I mean usually, well a lot of times the.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Fans pick up those cases. Yeah they will, absolutely, And but.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
If you've got the gun right, no, nope, you just
changed your case. Yeah, that's nobody. Nobody likes to. I mean, god,
I've taken pictures before with you know, we used to
we used to be issued cameras that they would hang
in our squad cars. And if you're somewhere you need
to take photos of something, you'd you know, take the
pictures and then you have to come back to the
(29:10):
station upload them in the evidence room. Man, I took
someone to jail one night and then turned around and
could get my camera out of the car to go
walk in my photos. Nope, the camera's done my car.
But then you start sweating it and anyways, every traced
my steps back to the locations.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Horrible.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
I found my camera lane in the middle of an
intersection and nobody'd run over it.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
It was great. Yeah, it's horrible. Man, you didn't have
a camera on your phone.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
You uh, yeah, that was before those days.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I was back when you called them in on payphones
Top nine eleven.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Okay, but yeah, no, I mean my you talk about adrenaline.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Oh yeah, absolutely, adrenaline.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
You can't find something like that that that that fear
factor comes in there, like I just screwed.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Up and getting fired, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, at
least a few days off without pay Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, you know, you know it's headed your way.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Oh now, JP, you mentioned you mentioned a term to
me I wasn't familiar with, and you you talked about commitment,
and I've never been really commitment throws you off.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, I've never been familiar with that. Okay, okay, that's
why you don't worry ring Oh wow, this one. Oh no,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Okay, yeah, no, So you mentioned the term commitment, and
apparently that's a term you guys use in jail.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, educate us on this.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Well, commitments just another way of going to jail, but
not going to jail. So, you know, you get arrested
for X, y Z, go to court. Hey, instead of
going to prison or spending six months in jail, you're
going to do three months of a commitment. And what
they do is either either seventy two hours or three
days on the weekends, and it starts Friday and it
ends on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
So that's not totally unlike a work release program. It's
essentially the same thing. Oh yeah, Like I'm almost reverse.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
You're like, yeah, it's a weekend or program. They allow
people to go to work, live their normal lives and
just serve out their thirty day sentence three days.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Again.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
It's almost crazy to me. It was like, let's meet,
we're taking your next forty one weekends. I'm like, okay, okay,
I mean you can have them. Yeah, I mean, but
I get out then I get out Monday morning, just
the time to go to work. That's hell.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
No. Oh wow, that's that's worse than just keep like.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
You get no fun, but laying in a cell for
three days and then you go right back to work
on Monday morning.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Well, the work release program is even worse than that
because you they literally let you out at five o'clock
in the morning to go to work and then you
come back when you're done with work. Yeah, a marriage, Yeah,
it can always get worse. Yeah, my wife wakes me
up every morning. Go get out there. That money be
back by four. I didn't realize I was on a
work release Love.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
You, sweetheart.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Well, the crazy part is a regular three day commitment
is not three days. Oh really, if you turn yourself
in at eleven fifty nine on Friday night, right at
twelve oh one Saturday night, that is in the state
size three days. You did twenty four hours and got
credit for three days. Okay, and that's what we would
do unless it's specifically stated seventy two hours.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Well, I had this guy one time. He came in.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
He had to do his last day, literally process in
wait a few hours to get everybody else processed out.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
And we're gonna release him. Right as an idiot, I
bring him in.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Everybody that comes in, has to get padded down. Well,
I gotta pat him down. I get right up to
his crotch and his balls crunch. I said, hey man,
that's not right. He goes, oh, I'm not a doctor.
He goes, that's my underwear. And I was like, you
haven't changed your underwear in how long? I said, I'm
gonna patch you down again, and you're gonna be honest
with me, because that doesn't feel like nuts to me.
(32:55):
I have a pair and it doesn't feel like that.
And he goes, he's an expert, because he's an that expert.
He's trained, he's trained. Yeah, So he goes, I swear
to god, it's my it's my underwear.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I said.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
If I stick my hand down the back of your
pants and I feel something other than your ball sack,
I said, we're gonna have problems. And he goes, dude,
it's so I pulled his pants back. I said, last chance.
He's like, it's it's it's my underwear. And I stuck
my hand down there and grabbed is what I thought
was his testicles, and I pulled real hard.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Because I knew it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
As soon as I thought it was, I was going
to grab his testicals, but it wasn't. He had a
bag of about thirty xanax barbs. I said, you dumb ass.
He goes what I said, you just caught another felony.
He goes what I said, This is dude, I said,
you just caught a charge another one. You're not going home.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
We saw him for how many weekends after that too?
At least a year, so he was almost done.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yeah, it was. It was his last few hours. Yeah
he should it should have brought your nuts and stay
your dope. Yeah, he didn't realize he had a nut
expert medication.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
I was like, you, you take thirties an X in
a couple of hours.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Good night. Yeah. I keep minding a bottle. Yeah, you
keep peers in your underwear. I keep minding my ball stack.
It's a commonplace keep some warm. I just had something
pop into my head and I forgot about this one.
All right, Okay, go ahead, roll with it.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
McKinny p D brought a guy in that was arrested
on drugs and when they were patting down, they felt
something in and the crack of his butt.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
They asked us to do a.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Strip search, right, and as the sergeant it is my
responsibility to approve or disprove, right, And oh my god,
I got to tell this one hermy minute to because
we'rerunning with a DPS one.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
So I was like, all right, cool, keep going.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
So we go do this strip search and I said, hey,
squat and cough, and I was like, hey, what is
that hanging out of your butthole?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
And he goes yeah, he goes the male version, it's
not drugs.
Speaker 9 (35:13):
And I was like, hold on, swallow stepe, Okay, it
wasn't drugs.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah, that's my first thought too when somebody asked me
that question. Yeah, well it's not drugs, right, Oh thank god.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
It really wasn't his drugs. What was it? He had
a hernia.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
So he stuck his hand back there and was like
he did that sound and everything was he was playing
with it.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I was like, put your clothes back on, dude. Oh gosh,
you asked it to cough. I was like, what's sticking
out of your butthole? Dude? You're butt shaming this dude.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Man, He's like, it's a medical condition and you're butt
shaming this poor guy.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Well, he had a lot of dope. Arm I figured
he had something in his butt. It was like, but
our fishal way.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
The amount of times I found something hip violations here,
I ain't no de searcher.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
For get him a doctor, right, This shows got very
I would say with money.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Oh wow, okay, And you said that you had another
one from DPS.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah. So DPS apparently thinks people are cars. Uh.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
So DPS rolls up and I'm not I'm upstairs doing
something and he asked my guys to it was I'm
gonna say his name because this is our buddy. He
passed away from cancer. But he was silly, but one
of the best dudes, Venable Venable, and my other buddy, Uh,
he's not there anymore. I'll say it fomby great guys.
(36:48):
They messed up, but did the right thing. At the
same time, DPS rolls in with this dudent and they're like, hey,
I want to trip search. But they couldn't find me.
Didn't use the radio to see where I was at.
They just couldn't find me. So I come downstairs. I'm like, hey,
where these guys at. Oh, they're they're strips, I said,
they're doing what? So I talked to DPS and I
was like, hey, what's what grounds did you have for
(37:11):
a strip search? He goes, he smelled my he smelled
like marijuana. And I was like, that's not grounds to
do a strip search. And he goes, well, the car
smelled like it. I said, He's not a vehicle, man.
I was like, this is a human being. What made
me mad is he had a whole half pound a
bag in the back of his ass.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
He actually had something on it. Most mad they actually
found something. Troopers like, yeah, I told you so he
had it in the trunk. Yeah, it's like a little
junk in his trunk. Yeah. See, he is a car.
He had a junk in this trunk. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Now, aj you mentioned, uh, you dealt with an inmate
once inside what was it a pod or tank.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
That you need to deal with this inmate once? It
was all the time. It was sometimes three, four or
five times a week. So I was on the extraction
team at the jail and he inmate that's not being
compliant with regular staff. You know, the goon squad puts
on the suits and goes in there and forcefully removes
them from the cell. So this kid was young, dumb,
(38:17):
but incredibly brilliant and knew he was going to prison.
For a long time, so he created these problems just
to mess with the goon squad. So this last time,
I've probably extracted this guy nine, ten, twelve times up
to this point, and I was just at my wits
end with him because I'm getting called at two o'clock
in the morning, three o'clock in the morning to come
(38:38):
and get this guy. So this time I was like,
I'm not playing around, so I bring my bag of
less than lethal munitions hands held and tossed munitions. Is
a OC stingerball grenade. So it's got you know, thirty
two millimeters rubber balls in it, and you pulled a
pin throw it. First you get a blast of OC
(38:58):
and then those riot controlled device But we use it
in the cell.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
It's very effective, highly effective.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Highly effective, and those rubber ball and then you get
the rubber balls. So it's got two fuses. The first
fuse is like a is a one second delay and
then the OC goes and then at the three second
mark it blows the rest of it and you get
those thirty two milimeters rubber balls going all over the place. Well,
it sucks this This inmate was playing the games toilet
(39:28):
paper on the cell windows. Hiding using the mattress as
a as a barrier, so I couldn't see where he
was at in the cell. Not going to send my
guys into a situation that's unsafe, don't know if he's
got a weapon or anything like that. So, because I
had had it with him up to this point, I
decided this is the time where I'm going to use
my bag of tricks. So I gave him plenty of warnings, said,
(39:50):
you know, get down on the ground, let me see
your hands, that kind of thing, and he still refused.
So I opened that food pass, pulled that thing through it,
let it do its job. He inevitably got down on
the ground and we got him out and put him
on the restraint bed. And so the next morning when
I came back in, he was still on the restraint bed.
I talked to him, said, so, how'd you like that
(40:12):
that newt little trick of mine?
Speaker 2 (40:13):
And he was like, man, I didn't know you guys
had those. That was crazy. Said so what was it like?
Speaker 5 (40:18):
He was like, well, the first time the OC went
and I didn't think it was all that great. So
I got up from where I was at and went
to pick it up. He said he said, when he
went to pick it up.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
It blew. This is that confuse?
Speaker 5 (40:32):
What of the spoon hit him in the forehead because
I could tell while he was laying there on the
restraint bed he had a little bit of an intention
on his fore and a little bit of blood.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
I said, Hey, where'd that mark come from?
Speaker 5 (40:41):
He was like, well, I went to pick it up
and it blew and the spoon hit me in the head.
And he was like, that's when I gave up because
I didn't know you guys had those things. That morning
he went to TDC, So he got blew up in
the cell that night and then got shipped to prison
that next morning.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Didn't know it had actually put on there. Do not
pick up.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, he's read it.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
What's this?
Speaker 5 (41:08):
Yeah, he's just lucky it wasn't a claymore this side
towards the enemy.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Yeah, I mean, if someone throws something at you and
then yeah, then they close it, they're getting away from it.
It does anything at all, don't go over and pick
it up.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
There's like a dud to me. I still have I
still have my go pro video of that. Oh that
that'll be. It is a wonderful piece of video.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Oh okay, Now we we've got to we've got to
hit this story.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
JP. You mentioned something about flexible inmates. Oh okay.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
So shortly after I started again, he wasn't here yet.
I'm working the acceptance window in the and the phone rings. Right,
we all have radios where nothing's going on. My sergeant
picks up the phone. He's like, I'm on the way,
slams the phone down and just sprints off. We're like,
what's going on? He goes, just stay here. We're running upstairs,
(42:09):
like what's going on? We don't nothing's gonna come over
the radio. No officer assistants don't fight nothing. Right and
right above us is the infirmary, so we hear all
the footsteps who are running. He's gone for about ten minutes.
He comes back and he's like, et then missed it.
We're like, what what are you so worked up about?
Speaker 2 (42:30):
He goes he was sucking his own day. We're like,
hold time out again, what are we talking about? Yeah, yeah,
we're gonna yeah, we need some barriers here.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
With Apparently one of the times I was off, we
brought this gentleman in who had the ability to give
himself felicio.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Okay, and as men. That's a profound thing to be
able to do.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
So all of our male rank, we're watching him, and
he over there dying listening to this.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
I assume I would leve abat taste your mouth first
of all. That's kind of impressive just to be able
to I mean, yeah, on the on the initial.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Yeah, but then you're watching him and you got upset
because you missed it. Uh like a car wreck, you can.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
I think it's more scary. You're turned on by yourself.
Speaker 5 (43:35):
Yeah, right, like the list, so you come here often?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Oh yeah, get home, babe. You'll never never believe what
I saw today, the list of how many things wrong
there is with that? Just oh yeah list.
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a story about a cabana boy.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
Oh yeah, this is hands down my favorite story of
my career. All right, man hit us with it, so
forgot who brought this check out. But she's just losing
her mind. And my two female officers go to do
the change out change her into jail clothes.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Well, she's not really wanting to change.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
They have to call me over and I'm standing far
enough away from the change out, like, man, just come on,
let's I'm tired of it.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Let's let's go.
Speaker 4 (47:17):
Finally, after like ten minutes of just talking her into
jail clothes, coming out of the shower out and he's
on duty. AJ's on duty, he's a housing sergeant. And
I go to key up. I forgot what she was
some type of watch. I go to key up to
let you know the infirmary know that booking staff is
(47:38):
coming up, and she's being irate. Well, as soon as
I key up right and she's tweaking. She spins around,
pulls her pants almost to her knees and goes you.
Speaker 7 (47:51):
Want to say?
Speaker 2 (47:51):
And I.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
Was like, okay, and this is broadcasted nice to meet
radio right, And as soon as I let go, I
hear him KIEP, I'm on my way.
Speaker 5 (48:05):
All you get here was screaming on the radio.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
That was all you heard. So you knew something was
going on.
Speaker 4 (48:12):
So we get up there and he hasn't made it
to the infirmary yet, but there's an officer that's got
the door open to her cell. And she gets to
the cell door and there's about four of us because
we don't know if she's gonna twist off or anything.
She gets to the door and he's got his hand
on this door and she puts her head right up
against it his hand.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
He's like so, and she starts rubbing her body. She's
looking at me and she goes, you want to be
my little cabanda boy. Huh? And she's like pulling her
shirt up.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
She goes, come on, just come in my cell. I'll
let you do whatever you want to me. You could
be my little cabana boy. And I was like, no, man,
I just need to get in the cell. And this
is probably about a minute or two of this going on,
and Andrew comes walking around the corner and she looks
and points at him, goes, do you want to be
my little cabana boy? And he goes nope, turns around
(49:00):
and walks out smart move. As soon as he saw that,
he about faced and just audibly shook his head and
said nope and walked out.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
I'm out.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
It took us probably another fifteen twenty minutes to get
her in there, and she just was adamant that I
come in there and just do things to her. Now,
eventually I just left and I had to let the
females like take care of her and just get her
in there. And it was a good forty five minutes.
I just yeah, she thinks she's at the pool.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
I ain't gonna find out. I can tell you that.
Oh that was a lot of myth Yeah, I think
there a lot of woman. Yeah, no, I'm gonna I'm
gonna leave it. I'm gonna leave her right there.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
That is the bad part is we have video of it.
Somebody that works at the Sheriff's office still has it.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Every now and then they'll send it to me.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
Oh oh no, no, no thanks, I'm passing the cabana
Cabana boy opportunity job opening. All right, guys, that's what
we got for today's show, jp AJ, thanks for coming on,
Thanks for having us. It's a pleasure having you guys here. Guys,
keep it real, keep it funny. Until the next time,
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Stay safe and watch each other.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
Six
Welcome, Welcome to Offbeat, the Light Side of Law Enforcement,
part of the Treehouse podcast Network. On today's show, we're
going to be talking about interactions with inmates, cabana boy, opportunities, yeah, now,
hiring right, and so much more. Steve here a co
(00:47):
host for today, Detective Curtis Hadley.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Great to be your guests, and we're.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Joined with two guests in studio. We've got former detention
sergeant Justin Patrick.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Hello, Justin, how you doing? Also known as JP?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
And we've got Deputy Sheriff Andrew Leonard, So welcome, Welcome, gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
And we're going to refer to Andrew as AJ, not
a L. Hey L. The J is silent, Yeah, the
jay silent. That's right. Klipinia is not silent. Curtis, well,
there's no J. It's not a gelopino, depending on from
which part of the stage. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Okay, Well, I and I wasn't even referred to the pronunciation.
I was referring to I've never eaten a silent.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
It's not silent. Later, I'm prom with you that no,
actually that orange ones. Yeah, give that about twelve hours
and see if it's still silent or Okay, anything new
going on? Same OL's lamo here man, same o. Nothing
new out of the four side of things. No, we're
keeping it quiet.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Man. It's summertimes definitely picked up though, I mean our
shooting stuff like that. But no, it's it's business as usual.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
We know, for kids, it's hard to find something fun
to do in the summertime when you're out of school.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
So yeah, I mean, if you can't shoot houses up,
what can you do?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I mean, yeah, during the school, you're stuck in you know,
you're stuck in class all day long. You don't have
the free time to get out there and really, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Spill the guns.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Sorry, I mean I heard cocaine's a whole of a drug,
So yeah, I heard smells funny.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Okay, yeah, no, we we where were we?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah? That is terrible. Let's get back at Combeta boys.
That's even better. Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Now, JP, you you're a former detention sergeant correct uh for?
And you worked at the Sheriff's office, right, I did?
Yea what department? Uh kalk kanny Sheriff's office? And how
long were you there?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Right at nine and a half years? Okay, No, no
longer doing the job. Nope. Oh the uh.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
And you you were a detention sergeant, so you're in
charge of of and make care and those that care
for the inmates.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Yes, but more specifically, I was a booking sergeant. So
when you first get arrested, so in second release okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
So fresh off the streets, coming in under the influence
all those good things.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
We're still riled up.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
That's that's where all the fun stuff happens.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
And I actually started, I've mentioned on the show before
I started for the Great I started working in law
enforcement for the greg County Sheriff's Office out in Longview,
out in East Texas. And yes, I worked in booking also,
and we elevator doors should open up. You never knew
what was Gonnah, it's gonna happen. The elevated doors open up.
You go an officer and a full blown, you know,
all out fight with somebody in there, and it's.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah, this is zero to sixty and nothing flat. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Some some of the greatest memories I've got there. You go,
it's the worst kind of box of chocolates. Thought sometimes
that's actually chocolate on them.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
That's literally what I was gonna say. Now, aj you
are currently a deputy.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yes' same agency, right, correct, Colin County, Colin County.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
How long? How long have you worked there?
Speaker 4 (04:07):
It'll be eight years this December? Okay, started start off
into jail like most folks of.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
This you know it.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Okay, and you guys, you guys said you had a
story about how you first met each other.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Oh, yeah, we we could not stand each other, hated him.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
It tells Yeah, Curtis and I are starting to relate
to this. Yeah, absolutely, this guy he's nuts.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Uh. I'll let AJ tell the story because he tells
it just so much better than I do.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
He's is he nicer about it versus your version. He's
a better storyteller than I am. Okay, and he just
tells us one story.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Just okay.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Kids gathered around, Yeah, gather around the campfire and listen
to grandpa's stories.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Definitely the data of the group right here, so that
kind of helps. It's all you AJ.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
So you know, you have to be licensed in the
state to do corrections, peace officer, pretty much anything of
a professional nature. So the jail licensing course is where
we first met. It's only like a four week long
class or a yeah, four week long class and the
last week of the of the licensing class is direct supervision,
(05:13):
basically the core principles of being a jailer. Right, this
is where you learn this class. Well, he had been
there long enough, brand new. I'm probably only four or
five months in three months off of training, still don't
know anything where we meet. He had been there long
enough that they decided to send him back through direct supervision.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Actually, I got tired of working for a while, so
volunteer to go to this class just so I could
have some time off.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Okay, that makes sense too, Yeah, but also because of
our interaction, it told me you probably needed to be there, Yeah,
because I forgot half of stuff we were taught. We
were talking about this on the way over here. One
of the things that they teach you in direct supervision
is the nine principles of direct supervision. It is the
way that we run our jail. They teach you the
(05:59):
nine print that you need to remember always to be
able to do the job and not forget what we're
doing here and why we're doing it. And so the
teacher at the time, I don't remember who it was,
it might have been Pawned, but knowing that he had
been was pawned, Yeah, knowing that he had been here
for quite some time, looked at him and said, you know,
(06:19):
justin why don't you tell us the nine principles of
direct supervision, hoping that he was going to be able
to exactly verbatim from the heart.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Not a chance. I got like the four of them.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Nothing like like throwing you under the bus and putting
you on the spot like that.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I just wanted to break and you got to call
me out. And one of the most important for real
quick though, just so people who listening to understand what
direct supervision is or three tops to jails. You have
direct supervision, which means you're in a pod with the inmates.
You have linear which is what you see in the
movies with the bars and you walk on the hallway,
and then you have indirect, which is you have the pods. However,
(06:56):
the officers in a bubble watching over the pod. So
when we're talking about direct supervision, people understand what why
we're naming it direct supervision.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
So you guys are in there in the pods. Yes,
if riot happens, they closed that door and we're locked
in there with him. Well that sounds like fun.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
It's actually one of the safest styles of jails that
you can think of. Really, we the most we've had
is what a couple what's it called, not a riot
but skirmishes. No rebellion gets squashed real quick.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
But rebellion star wars term.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
Just for clarification, that was what we call a golden
retriever moment on Justin Patrick's part. So she pond looks
at him and says, why don't you give me the
nine principles direct supervision? This is when I look over
and I look at him, and I look at him
and say, man, this guy isn't want to be cop.
He's laid back undervest belt on gun shades in the epaulet.
(08:00):
But I know he's a detention officer, and I'm like,
I hate him. I instantly hate him. You know, you
got this want to be that's been over here for
X amount of years and can't name these simple principles.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Look at this idiot right So on my end, I
see him. We should we have brought a counselor on today.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
I think we put him on the opposite the ends. I
didn't realize that we got it. We'll figure it out.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Yeah, okay, he told me this was going to be
a counseling session. Am I in the wrong place?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Definitely? When you get billed, you'll know.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Okay, great, go ahead, my son tell us about your brother.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
So coming for me, I'm looking at him and I've
already heard about him, right, I'm like, Oh, this dude's arrogant.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
He just knows it all.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
So we're doing everything and he's loud, you know, to me,
going over the top, and I'm like, I can't stand
this dude.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And then he.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Class gets done and what is it? Two months later
you transferred buck in. Yeah, and then what was it
that we were like, you're kind of cool, you.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
Know, I can't remember what what actually brought us together
that that, you know, that singularity point in time that
was like, Okay, this guy knows what he's talking about.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
We each had one of those moments. I think for
me it was when you took six out of a
twelve hour shift to try to identify one guy that
was not identifying in the jail, using fingerprints, calling the state,
checking fbis and cell numbers, and I was like, holy crap,
this guy actually cares, you know, he did the job
the way that it was supposed to be done and
was able to get this guy identified by going the
(09:27):
extra mile, and I was like, you know what, he's
cool with me. Still might be a little bit of
a but he's good with not might be I am
at the right right opportunity. Well for me and Steve's
when we stacked our bunk beds together, so.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
It's more room for activities. But I love step brothers.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Okay, so so you developed some respect for him at
that point in time. Could he recite those nine principles then?
I mean absolutely, I can't.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I couldn't even remember one. I don't know any of them.
I mean I think maybe one it was what competent
staff mm hm. We tried.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
We tried this on the in the truck on the
way over here. He didn't do any better than on
day number one, so actually I.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Probably did worse. Well, now he's not getting paid to
do it. No, yeah, yeah, now you can erase it
from your memory. I did. Now you got you guys.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I mean obviously he just let out that you guys
work together in uh in the jail, so any you.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Know, I know a lot happens in the jail.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
We talked about book in just a minute ago, and yes,
before before someone goes through the streets. You you know,
it's very beneficial if they do work in the jail.
I think it should be a requirement.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
And there's many people that share that.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I would not disagree with you because even when I
was in the when I was in the county jail. Uh,
I mean, we we classified our offenders. You got your maximum, medium,
in your you know minimum, and I worked book in
and maximum and fenders.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
And you're in it.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
You're in a tank with eight guys that are in
there and they're all in there for murder and you're
in there with your handcuffs and looking to pepper spray.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
You got to learn to talk to people. Yeah, you
gotta learn to communicate. Actually, the POD officers don't even
get pepper spray ooh. They if something pops off, the
responding officers, who are only certified to carry the pepper
spray can retrieve it from the cluster.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
And for how big Collin County is, it's not one
officer to eight, it's more like one to seventy two.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Well, state law speaking, it's forty two to one. But
the way the pot is worked out, it's it's essentially
seventy two to one. Okay, yeah, I hope we weren't
revealing any secrets here. Oh no, no, this is this is state.
It's all approved by state mandate. All right, Yeah, the
jail standards, right correct.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Very good.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I would hope i'd know that because I'm also a
tea constructor.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Very good. So I taught how people had to be
attention officers.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
How did detent? How did a detent? Yeah? Specifically I
specialize in a book.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
In so.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Okay, yeah, no, I I enjoyed booking. And I had
one guy. This is a sad, kind of a sad deal,
but he he was an adult and he was an
older teen and had a his girlfriend who was a juvenile.
He was driving around the convenience stores and unfortunately she
was robbing the stores and she was you know, she
(12:26):
she took the lives of all the clerks where they're
at Oh wow. And he got busted and he he
came in and I was actually doing his fingerprints and
he's like, they can't do anything to me. I didn't
do anything, And I just smiled and said, you've got
no idea?
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Yeah, yeah, accessory. It's like, yeah, this isn't gonna work
out well for you, buddy.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
But yeah, I learned so much again going back to
working in a jail before you hit the streets, I mean,
how you learn to communicate with people. That's that's the
biggest part of being being in law enforcement, being an officer,
especially on the streets, is communication.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Well. Communication. It teaches you how to we'll respect people
who aren't cops.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Get that. Get that you know I'm mister police officer.
Out of your head.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Oh yeah, yeah, you can't be a robot out there.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Well, it also teaches you how to how to have
take control in controlled chaos. Yeah, it goes out on
the street it's not controlled well. And even whenever whenever
I was training new.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Officers, if I had an officer in the first phase,
I love when I we do our first traffic stock
say go there, hello, my name is I mean, it
was was great.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
It's like robot.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
I always go up there and grab him by their
by their back belt, loop et comre. Minute, that's a
human you're talking to. Man, Just relax, be on guard,
expect the worst, but talk to them like anybody else.
And that's yeah, I mean, you've got to get that experience.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Seven step violator on paper. Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Now talking about communication and related to you guys both
meeting each other, well, I guess technically they met in jail.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah they did.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Yeah, yeah, back in the day when you all were
in jail together. Uh, you guys community to prison tats
to prove it. We don't need to see those.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
That's where the boy comes in.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Yeah, we'll get to that one later. But you guys
communicated with a lot of inmates in there. Any any
stories of your interactions with with inmates? Too many account
too many accounts.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Well, the best part of interacting with inmates, I think
is being able to find the ones that know they
messed up and you can have a true, honest conversation
about why they're here and and make a difference in
somebody's life. I remember, I remember having a conversation with
(14:48):
a young mother that was on her like third d
wy and she just wasn't getting the picture. She wasn't
getting the picture until it was to the point of
where she was getting her child taken away from her.
And and you could see that just by pulling her aside.
Because now that you've seen her for the third time,
like you've been in jail, She's come in three times
for the same thing, Right, you can finally have a
(15:11):
conversation with her that is meaningful to her life and
get her to change around, make a change, do everything
that she needs to do that the courts have told
her she needs to do for her offense, win her
daughter back, and live a healthier life. And being able
to see that inmate, you know, a year and a
(15:33):
half later on the street, not expecting it, and get
that story from her that the conversation that you had
with her, treating her like a human being that third
time was what she needed to be able to straighten
things out and you know, set down the booze and
get her child back and live a better life. So
having those kinds of conversations with inmates is probably the
(15:55):
best part of the communication.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I'll drink to that.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, oh wow, sorry, I I I don't know. I
feel like, I mean, have you thought about going into
counseling and not like your own counseling, actually being a counselor.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
I I don't know if I'm gonna want to do
that after this job. We do enough of it out
on the streets that probably like, no, thank you well.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
And that's that's what we all joke about.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I mean, you're expected to go out enforce the law,
you know, handle any kind of situation. And then yet
you're still a counselor to people, and you got to
be a parent to kids out there.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I mean, there's all sorts of stuff, but you do.
But uh, anything funny happened in the jail.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Well you guys, you guys always hesitate here, I mean
makes makes me nervous.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
Well, so we had this guy and he was tweaking hard,
but he kept laying on the floor book and you
can't land the flight one. You don't want to land
the floor because God knows what's.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
In that imagine. So I noticed he's disappeared, and I'm
a startant at this point.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Wait wait wait wait, okay, so you got to gain
in the booking area and he's disappeared.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Okay, So the way our booking is, it's not like
stealed off. You can just sprint out of book in
or at least when I was there, and just run
around in the jail. And I've had a couple foot
pursuits in the jail. In the jail, yeah, and starved
me to cover on me.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
People were seamore surprised on how fast I am, but
he's not.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
I can't find him. So I go looking around, not
under the chairs. I go to the shower house and
all that, I can't find him. I hear him pie
walk out to the open waiting mail restroom. Open the
door and I look down and in the restroom it's
just a singular toilet, but on the wall is this
panel that goes to I guess water pipes and everything.
(17:45):
He had busted that out and he's trying to crawl
up the wall and I grabbed him by his feet
and I'll pull him out, and all you hear here
go ah, and my staff come running right and he's
like kicking me and stuff, but he's screened and bloody.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
Murder, and I think I forgot about that story. Yeah,
And I was like, if you don't stop, you're getting
it right. And I was known like I stopped fighting people.
If you fight me, you're getting a can't a face
full of pepper?
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Oh okay?
Speaker 4 (18:13):
And I stuck that pepper in his face and he goes, okay, okay, okay,
I'm chilling. I'm chilling right. As soon as we get
him in the handcuffs. He like tries to kick off again.
We put him on their strangth bed. It took him
about five minutes before he's crying, pleading to get off.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
So he's not even been booked into jail yet, but
he's already planned his escape, all right, And you do
have to plan ahead.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
It's a go gain right there.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Wow, yeah, nothing, nothing, nothing like planning your escape before
you're actually uh, as you booked in, you said he
hit him with hit him with a dose of pepper spread.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Oh no, I've threatened it. You threatened it, but you
didn't have to deploy. No, uh.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
And that's what I was known for. Actually, So I
stopped fighting. I sit at my desk and if I
heard some inmate get loud, I just pulled my dropeen
and popped that can of pepper on and my staff.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Now take care of her. I'm spraying his ass.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Hit him, hit him with the uh, the jalapeno, with
the with the silent j right.
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Speaker 2 (22:03):
Great to be here and we're joining with.
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Two guests in the studio today. We've got former detention
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Speaker 2 (22:44):
All right, got so real quick.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Since y'all got to tell you jail stories, I'm gonna
jump in with a quick one here because I didn't
get to geek out like y'all did with the whole
jail intake. I didn't understand a lot of it, but well,
all we have is a holding area getting ready to
send with jail for Fort Worth, you know, and as
usually ran by a jail or now was a round.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
By Terren County.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
So when we were walking up to the jail to
turn them in, you know they'd be they would do
all this little dat last ditch efforts. You know, we're
trying to, you know, get out of something there. So
I want to kill myself. So I would turn to
them and I would say hello, I would I would
give him a very stern conversation. Lets me, this is
not something you take lightly. If you are wanting to
hurt yourself, you need to make sure that the guy
in there knows. As soon as you walk in. And
(23:24):
so soon as we walk in and go I want
to kill myself or hurt myself, they'd be butting naked
and hauled off in the chair. I'm like, see you
later by So after that, I was like, I guarantee
you they've never said that in jail. After that, there
are some trigger words that you just like, yeah, like
make sure he knows, make sure if they were joking, absolutely, smock.
(23:44):
Absolutely they can learn a lesson. Yeah, they they get
We we had like a padded suit.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
That strap around on him. Then they go inside a
padded cell.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Was just there was just like a chair they were
they were naked a chair with straps on them. Man
like like you're moving to a fetreator yeah, we caught
it a turtlesuit there you go.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
See, Well, whenever if we rested someone and they were
you know, an apeal if you will, the apel arrest
where you know, we determined that they're a d interesting
to themselves or others and they needed to get mental
treatment and get a mental evaluation. We used to take
them down to the old Parkland in Dallas and you
(24:25):
would just roll up there, you go inside with them
and if the if they started acting crazy or anything
like that, you'd have just all the Medical district police.
They wo just come in, snatch them up and pull
them down. Doctor comes in with a big syringe.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
The button came over. But it was nice because they
you know, as an arresting officer when when I I'd
walk in there, they would just grab them from me
and they go they go handle it and like all right.
So I guess you guys have been waiting for me
to get your beau. I think that was that was
their highlight. They had a lot of fun with that.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I bet. Oh, now you guys.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
You guys had some more more stories. Aj you had
mentioned one in regards to forgetting evidence.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
Yeah, so I've been out on the streets for this
is the start of my second year now from being
in the jail for five and a half years, and so,
you know, still still working on all of those crazy
stories that happened through the course of a law enforcement
offster's career. But yeah, yeah, the first one that I've
got is, you know, you never want to forget the
evidence that you have to put somebody in jail because it's.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
The traffic stop.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
It was at the beginning, it was a suspicious vehicle
call back of a subdivision that was still being built.
No lights, car sitting there obviously shouldn't be suspicious person
place times that whole thing, and one of my deputy
counterparts checked out on it. Suspicious activity going on inside
the car, see some you know, some stuff in plane
(25:55):
sight pulls them out of the car, sor just the
car finds nine grams of meth along with a pistol
and some other things.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
So, oh that's a good bop. Yeah, that was a
pretty good one.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
He also had a full half empty bottle or half
full whichever way you think about it of Jack Daniels too,
So all the way around, there was not some good
stuff going on there. And so you know, we do
everything we need to do to take pictures, gather the
collect the evidence, and my partner starts going off to jail. Well,
(26:26):
I go on about my business, and about ten minutes
before he's supposed to be at the jail, he comes
over the radio and says, give me a call. So
I call him and he goes. He goes, hey, man,
where's the meth? And I'm like, what are you talking about?
I packed it all up for you and I handed
it to you. That was the last thing I did.
He was like, well, yeah, I know, but I can't
(26:47):
find it. What do you mean you can't find the myth?
It's nine grams of myth and a pipe, Like how
do you lose that? And so I was like, all right, well,
I'll go back and check to see. I was like,
did you take it off of the hood after I
gave it to you, because I know you said it
there And I even looked at you and said make
sure you don't forget your evidence, and he said, oh,
I got it.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I got it.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
So I was like, all right, well, you take that
guy to jail and I'll go back and see if
maybe it's in the street somewhere. Sure enough, right where
he turned the car, it slid off the hood and
so there's a pipe and nine grams of meth laying
on the on the concrete.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Well, a couple of kids playing with it. Fortunately not
at two thirty at night. So that was there goes
our chain of custody. Okay, we got this, yeah exactly.
So I didn't tell him that I found it. Alright.
There we go, There we go for a little bit,
and so it begins. It was like a twenty five
minute drive to the jail.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
So he's in the jail and doesn't have cell service,
so the only way that I can reach him is
on the radio. But I'm not going to, you know,
throw him under the bus and tell him all right,
So I just drive to the jail. Well, as I'm
pulling into the sally Port, he calls me on the radio.
As the Sallyport door is open, I see him ask
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deep in the back end of the car, gear pulled out,
drawers pulled open, and my lieutenant standing there watching him,
and he's sweating, wet and trying to find this stuff.
And I pull up with this smile on my face
and roll down the window and he's like, man, I
can't find it. I don't know what happened to it.
It was in the car, I promise you he was
in the car, and I just raised my hand like
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this and show him the nine grams of meth that
he pulled off. This guy and his he's just the
look of relief on his face.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
But then I looked to my left and there's my
lieutenant standing there and he's looking at me, and he's
shaking his head.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Like that would have been That would have been like
steak dinner worthy right there, my friend, next next ship.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
That's probably the funniest story that I have up up
to this point.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Yeah, because whenever, whenever you got dope and guns together,
and I mean usually, well a lot of times the.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Fans pick up those cases. Yeah they will, absolutely, And but.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
If you've got the gun right, no, nope, you just
changed your case. Yeah, that's nobody. Nobody likes to. I mean, god,
I've taken pictures before with you know, we used to
we used to be issued cameras that they would hang
in our squad cars. And if you're somewhere you need
to take photos of something, you'd you know, take the
pictures and then you have to come back to the
(29:10):
station upload them in the evidence room. Man, I took
someone to jail one night and then turned around and
could get my camera out of the car to go
walk in my photos. Nope, the camera's done my car.
But then you start sweating it and anyways, every traced
my steps back to the locations.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Horrible.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
I found my camera lane in the middle of an
intersection and nobody'd run over it.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
It was great. Yeah, it's horrible. Man, you didn't have
a camera on your phone.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
You uh, yeah, that was before those days.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
I was back when you called them in on payphones
Top nine eleven.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Okay, but yeah, no, I mean my you talk about adrenaline.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Oh yeah, absolutely, adrenaline.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
You can't find something like that that that that fear
factor comes in there, like I just screwed.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Up and getting fired, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, at
least a few days off without pay Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, you know, you know it's headed your way.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Oh now, JP, you mentioned you mentioned a term to
me I wasn't familiar with, and you you talked about commitment,
and I've never been really commitment throws you off.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, I've never been familiar with that. Okay, okay, that's
why you don't worry ring Oh wow, this one. Oh no,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Okay, yeah, no, So you mentioned the term commitment, and
apparently that's a term you guys use in jail.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah, educate us on this.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Well, commitments just another way of going to jail, but
not going to jail. So, you know, you get arrested
for X, y Z, go to court. Hey, instead of
going to prison or spending six months in jail, you're
going to do three months of a commitment. And what
they do is either either seventy two hours or three
days on the weekends, and it starts Friday and it
ends on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
So that's not totally unlike a work release program. It's
essentially the same thing. Oh yeah, Like I'm almost reverse.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
You're like, yeah, it's a weekend or program. They allow
people to go to work, live their normal lives and
just serve out their thirty day sentence three days.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Again.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
It's almost crazy to me. It was like, let's meet,
we're taking your next forty one weekends. I'm like, okay, okay,
I mean you can have them. Yeah, I mean, but
I get out then I get out Monday morning, just
the time to go to work. That's hell.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
No. Oh wow, that's that's worse than just keep like.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
You get no fun, but laying in a cell for
three days and then you go right back to work
on Monday morning.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Well, the work release program is even worse than that
because you they literally let you out at five o'clock
in the morning to go to work and then you
come back when you're done with work. Yeah, a marriage, Yeah,
it can always get worse. Yeah, my wife wakes me
up every morning. Go get out there. That money be
back by four. I didn't realize I was on a
work release Love.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
You, sweetheart.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
Well, the crazy part is a regular three day commitment
is not three days. Oh really, if you turn yourself
in at eleven fifty nine on Friday night, right at
twelve oh one Saturday night, that is in the state
size three days. You did twenty four hours and got
credit for three days. Okay, and that's what we would
do unless it's specifically stated seventy two hours.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Well, I had this guy one time. He came in.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
He had to do his last day, literally process in
wait a few hours to get everybody else processed out.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
And we're gonna release him. Right as an idiot, I
bring him in.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Everybody that comes in, has to get padded down. Well,
I gotta pat him down. I get right up to
his crotch and his balls crunch. I said, hey man,
that's not right. He goes, oh, I'm not a doctor.
He goes, that's my underwear. And I was like, you
haven't changed your underwear in how long? I said, I'm
gonna patch you down again, and you're gonna be honest
with me, because that doesn't feel like nuts to me.
(32:55):
I have a pair and it doesn't feel like that.
And he goes, he's an expert, because he's an that expert.
He's trained, he's trained. Yeah, So he goes, I swear
to god, it's my it's my underwear.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I said.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
If I stick my hand down the back of your
pants and I feel something other than your ball sack,
I said, we're gonna have problems. And he goes, dude,
it's so I pulled his pants back. I said, last chance.
He's like, it's it's it's my underwear. And I stuck
my hand down there and grabbed is what I thought
was his testicles, and I pulled real hard.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Because I knew it wasn't.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
As soon as I thought it was, I was going
to grab his testicals, but it wasn't. He had a
bag of about thirty xanax barbs. I said, you dumb ass.
He goes what I said, you just caught another felony.
He goes what I said, This is dude, I said,
you just caught a charge another one. You're not going home.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
We saw him for how many weekends after that too?
At least a year, so he was almost done.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yeah, it was. It was his last few hours. Yeah
he should it should have brought your nuts and stay
your dope. Yeah, he didn't realize he had a nut
expert medication.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
I was like, you, you take thirties an X in
a couple of hours.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Good night. Yeah. I keep minding a bottle. Yeah, you
keep peers in your underwear. I keep minding my ball stack.
It's a commonplace keep some warm. I just had something
pop into my head and I forgot about this one.
All right, Okay, go ahead, roll with it.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
McKinny p D brought a guy in that was arrested
on drugs and when they were patting down, they felt
something in and the crack of his butt.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
They asked us to do a.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Strip search, right, and as the sergeant it is my
responsibility to approve or disprove, right, And oh my god,
I got to tell this one hermy minute to because
we'rerunning with a DPS one.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
So I was like, all right, cool, keep going.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
So we go do this strip search and I said, hey,
squat and cough, and I was like, hey, what is
that hanging out of your butthole?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
And he goes yeah, he goes the male version, it's
not drugs.
Speaker 9 (35:13):
And I was like, hold on, swallow stepe, Okay, it
wasn't drugs.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah, that's my first thought too when somebody asked me
that question. Yeah, well it's not drugs, right, Oh thank god.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
It really wasn't his drugs. What was it? He had
a hernia.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
So he stuck his hand back there and was like
he did that sound and everything was he was playing
with it.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I was like, put your clothes back on, dude. Oh gosh,
you asked it to cough. I was like, what's sticking
out of your butthole? Dude? You're butt shaming this dude.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Man, He's like, it's a medical condition and you're butt
shaming this poor guy.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Well, he had a lot of dope. Arm I figured
he had something in his butt. It was like, but
our fishal way.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
The amount of times I found something hip violations here,
I ain't no de searcher.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
For get him a doctor, right, This shows got very
I would say with money.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Oh wow, okay, And you said that you had another
one from DPS.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah. So DPS apparently thinks people are cars. Uh.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
So DPS rolls up and I'm not I'm upstairs doing
something and he asked my guys to it was I'm
gonna say his name because this is our buddy. He
passed away from cancer. But he was silly, but one
of the best dudes, Venable Venable, and my other buddy, Uh,
he's not there anymore. I'll say it fomby great guys.
(36:48):
They messed up, but did the right thing. At the
same time, DPS rolls in with this dudent and they're like, hey,
I want to trip search. But they couldn't find me.
Didn't use the radio to see where I was at.
They just couldn't find me. So I come downstairs. I'm like, hey,
where these guys at. Oh, they're they're strips, I said,
they're doing what? So I talked to DPS and I
was like, hey, what's what grounds did you have for
(37:11):
a strip search? He goes, he smelled my he smelled
like marijuana. And I was like, that's not grounds to
do a strip search. And he goes, well, the car
smelled like it. I said, He's not a vehicle, man.
I was like, this is a human being. What made
me mad is he had a whole half pound a
bag in the back of his ass.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
He actually had something on it. Most mad they actually
found something. Troopers like, yeah, I told you so he
had it in the trunk. Yeah, it's like a little
junk in his trunk. Yeah. See, he is a car.
He had a junk in this trunk. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Now, aj you mentioned, uh, you dealt with an inmate
once inside what was it a pod or tank.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
That you need to deal with this inmate once? It
was all the time. It was sometimes three, four or
five times a week. So I was on the extraction
team at the jail and he inmate that's not being
compliant with regular staff. You know, the goon squad puts
on the suits and goes in there and forcefully removes
them from the cell. So this kid was young, dumb,
(38:17):
but incredibly brilliant and knew he was going to prison.
For a long time, so he created these problems just
to mess with the goon squad. So this last time,
I've probably extracted this guy nine, ten, twelve times up
to this point, and I was just at my wits
end with him because I'm getting called at two o'clock
in the morning, three o'clock in the morning to come
(38:38):
and get this guy. So this time I was like,
I'm not playing around, so I bring my bag of
less than lethal munitions hands held and tossed munitions. Is
a OC stingerball grenade. So it's got you know, thirty
two millimeters rubber balls in it, and you pulled a
pin throw it. First you get a blast of OC
(38:58):
and then those riot controlled device But we use it
in the cell.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
It's very effective, highly effective.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Highly effective, and those rubber ball and then you get
the rubber balls. So it's got two fuses. The first
fuse is like a is a one second delay and
then the OC goes and then at the three second
mark it blows the rest of it and you get
those thirty two milimeters rubber balls going all over the place. Well,
it sucks this This inmate was playing the games toilet
(39:28):
paper on the cell windows. Hiding using the mattress as
a as a barrier, so I couldn't see where he
was at in the cell. Not going to send my
guys into a situation that's unsafe, don't know if he's
got a weapon or anything like that. So, because I
had had it with him up to this point, I
decided this is the time where I'm going to use
my bag of tricks. So I gave him plenty of warnings, said,
(39:50):
you know, get down on the ground, let me see
your hands, that kind of thing, and he still refused.
So I opened that food pass, pulled that thing through it,
let it do its job. He inevitably got down on
the ground and we got him out and put him
on the restraint bed. And so the next morning when
I came back in, he was still on the restraint bed.
I talked to him, said, so, how'd you like that
(40:12):
that newt little trick of mine?
Speaker 2 (40:13):
And he was like, man, I didn't know you guys
had those. That was crazy. Said so what was it like?
Speaker 5 (40:18):
He was like, well, the first time the OC went
and I didn't think it was all that great. So
I got up from where I was at and went
to pick it up. He said he said, when he
went to pick it up.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
It blew. This is that confuse?
Speaker 5 (40:32):
What of the spoon hit him in the forehead because
I could tell while he was laying there on the
restraint bed he had a little bit of an intention
on his fore and a little bit of blood.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
I said, Hey, where'd that mark come from?
Speaker 5 (40:41):
He was like, well, I went to pick it up
and it blew and the spoon hit me in the head.
And he was like, that's when I gave up because
I didn't know you guys had those things. That morning
he went to TDC, So he got blew up in
the cell that night and then got shipped to prison
that next morning.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Didn't know it had actually put on there. Do not
pick up.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, he's read it.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
What's this?
Speaker 5 (41:08):
Yeah, he's just lucky it wasn't a claymore this side
towards the enemy.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
Yeah, I mean, if someone throws something at you and
then yeah, then they close it, they're getting away from it.
It does anything at all, don't go over and pick
it up.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
There's like a dud to me. I still have I
still have my go pro video of that. Oh that
that'll be. It is a wonderful piece of video.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Oh okay, Now we we've got to we've got to
hit this story.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
JP. You mentioned something about flexible inmates. Oh okay.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
So shortly after I started again, he wasn't here yet.
I'm working the acceptance window in the and the phone rings. Right,
we all have radios where nothing's going on. My sergeant
picks up the phone. He's like, I'm on the way,
slams the phone down and just sprints off. We're like,
what's going on? He goes, just stay here. We're running upstairs,
(42:09):
like what's going on? We don't nothing's gonna come over
the radio. No officer assistants don't fight nothing. Right and
right above us is the infirmary, so we hear all
the footsteps who are running. He's gone for about ten minutes.
He comes back and he's like, et then missed it.
We're like, what what are you so worked up about?
Speaker 2 (42:30):
He goes he was sucking his own day. We're like,
hold time out again, what are we talking about? Yeah, yeah,
we're gonna yeah, we need some barriers here.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
With Apparently one of the times I was off, we
brought this gentleman in who had the ability to give
himself felicio.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Okay, and as men. That's a profound thing to be
able to do.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
So all of our male rank, we're watching him, and
he over there dying listening to this.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
I assume I would leve abat taste your mouth first
of all. That's kind of impressive just to be able
to I mean, yeah, on the on the initial.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Yeah, but then you're watching him and you got upset
because you missed it. Uh like a car wreck, you can.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
I think it's more scary. You're turned on by yourself.
Speaker 5 (43:35):
Yeah, right, like the list, so you come here often?
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Oh yeah, get home, babe. You'll never never believe what
I saw today, the list of how many things wrong
there is with that? Just oh yeah list.
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a story about a cabana boy.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
Oh yeah, this is hands down my favorite story of
my career. All right, man hit us with it, so
forgot who brought this check out. But she's just losing
her mind. And my two female officers go to do
the change out change her into jail clothes.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Well, she's not really wanting to change.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
They have to call me over and I'm standing far
enough away from the change out, like, man, just come on,
let's I'm tired of it.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Let's let's go.
Speaker 4 (47:17):
Finally, after like ten minutes of just talking her into
jail clothes, coming out of the shower out and he's
on duty. AJ's on duty, he's a housing sergeant. And
I go to key up. I forgot what she was
some type of watch. I go to key up to
let you know the infirmary know that booking staff is
(47:38):
coming up, and she's being irate. Well, as soon as
I key up right and she's tweaking. She spins around,
pulls her pants almost to her knees and goes you.
Speaker 7 (47:51):
Want to say?
Speaker 2 (47:51):
And I.
Speaker 4 (47:54):
Was like, okay, and this is broadcasted nice to meet
radio right, And as soon as I let go, I
hear him KIEP, I'm on my way.
Speaker 5 (48:05):
All you get here was screaming on the radio.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
That was all you heard. So you knew something was
going on.
Speaker 4 (48:12):
So we get up there and he hasn't made it
to the infirmary yet, but there's an officer that's got
the door open to her cell. And she gets to
the cell door and there's about four of us because
we don't know if she's gonna twist off or anything.
She gets to the door and he's got his hand
on this door and she puts her head right up
against it his hand.
Speaker 2 (48:29):
He's like so, and she starts rubbing her body. She's
looking at me and she goes, you want to be
my little cabanda boy. Huh? And she's like pulling her
shirt up.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
She goes, come on, just come in my cell. I'll
let you do whatever you want to me. You could
be my little cabana boy. And I was like, no, man,
I just need to get in the cell. And this
is probably about a minute or two of this going on,
and Andrew comes walking around the corner and she looks
and points at him, goes, do you want to be
my little cabana boy? And he goes nope, turns around
(49:00):
and walks out smart move. As soon as he saw that,
he about faced and just audibly shook his head and
said nope and walked out.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
I'm out.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
It took us probably another fifteen twenty minutes to get
her in there, and she just was adamant that I
come in there and just do things to her. Now,
eventually I just left and I had to let the
females like take care of her and just get her
in there. And it was a good forty five minutes.
I just yeah, she thinks she's at the pool.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
I ain't gonna find out. I can tell you that.
Oh that was a lot of myth Yeah, I think
there a lot of woman. Yeah, no, I'm gonna I'm
gonna leave it. I'm gonna leave her right there.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
That is the bad part is we have video of it.
Somebody that works at the Sheriff's office still has it.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Every now and then they'll send it to me.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
Oh oh no, no, no thanks, I'm passing the cabana
Cabana boy opportunity job opening. All right, guys, that's what
we got for today's show, jp AJ, thanks for coming on,
Thanks for having us. It's a pleasure having you guys here. Guys,
keep it real, keep it funny. Until the next time,
(50:12):
Stay safe and watch each other.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
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