July 9, 2025 • 52 mins
This 59th episode features Fort Worth Police Captain Robin Krouse sharing hilarious stories about freaky foot chases, surprising suspects, embarassing car trouble, and MORE!
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Hosted by retired police officer Steve Rutherford, Detective Curtis Hadley, and Survivor Joann Jackson.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Welcome, Welcome to Offbeat, the Light Side of Law Enforcement,
part of the Treehouse Podcast Network. On today's show, we'll
discuss beavers, foot chases, and more. I'm Steve joining me Today.
We've got Joe and Jackson. Hey, and Joan's our co host.
(00:48):
Today We've got a co co host, Detective Curtis Hadley.
Coco the Coco Curtis, the Coco and Cocoke Curtis. It's
like Coco Crispies, Coco Curtis, and we are joined in
the studio with one guest. Today, we've got Captain Robin Krause.
(01:10):
Good afternoon, not you know, going back to the Coco Crispies.
I mean, not to be confused with Captain Crunch. I've
heard that one too. You've heard that one. You've been
called Captain crunchby I have.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
And I don't know if this is a family show,
So we can't get into too much of what I've
been called.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
So you know what when you refer to family show, Hey,
we're all family. Yes, true, Yeah, it's the first responder fan.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I don't know whether to be uh honored or appalled
that you have to have co hosts with me.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Here is it because I'm so fat.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Or wow, wow, two of us here to monitor, one's
here to host.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Curtis Curtis is kind of security today.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
I'm usually the fall guy.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
I'm the one that usually gets thrown under the bus
because I say something and then Steve Lake is.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Like, oh really yeah, I oftentimes have to have a monitor.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And I can tell you about that when I went
to the detective office.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Oh okay, yeah, this is great where we're thinking their stories,
you know, and and here we are, we're in the
introduction here.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, I'm old, so it's gonna take something to prompt
my dusty memory.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Well, we can talk about the many, many, many many
years of law enforcement you've been in.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I'm just getting started at my rookie with just a
little bit of street experience.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
So did you say how many years you've.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Been November will be my fortieth year.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
When when I was at the.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Academy, Wow, you've seen some changes, just a few.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Some of them are changing from horses to cars.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
I was just gonna say that horse cars.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, modern machinery.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
I was kind of.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
Hoping you were going to say it because I just
met Robin Today's I hear it all or for to
help me with something that's going to be like forget you.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I mean bow and Arrows, you name it. I play
in the pipes, you know, I'm in the pipes and
drum band. And of course everybody's there, everybody's younger than me,
and they off think that they're funny by mentioning the
fact that I was working with Abraham Lincoln And how
was that working with this mister Lincoln. Yeah, I was
there when it was written.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Oh wow wow, okay, So so fourth did July have
a special meaning to you? I mean, were you here
for the first one?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, kind of.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I was the one that told Francis to use that
tune because it was a beer drinking song instead of
the one he was thinking about. It was a little
too solemn, little little too solemn. He needed one that
had a little more sway to it.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Fair enough history for today.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
You know, with the show, we always have a learning
point on the show. Try to be educational, absolutely so, Robin,
any any set date for when you're gonna hang up
the gun belt? No?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I mean you see guys that have left and ones
that have talked to me about going, and you hear
it all the time. When you know when it's time. Yes,
And I think you probably can relate to that, and
absolutely right now, it's not. I mean, I still enjoy
what I'm doing, and my main motivation is I don't
I've benefited so much from other people. I've had a
(04:16):
very very very good career. I was very fortunate in
the places that I've worked and the people I've worked
with and around, and I just because of the benefit
I've had from others, I've been trying to pay it
back and I don't feel like I've paid back enough yet.
My bank accounts still in the red.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Still.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
That's that's the way I feel.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And you know, I get up every day and I'm
still glad to be where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So well, and you already, captain, you're with the four
Worth Police Department, correct, yes, sir, Okay, so yeah, it's
it's good to be a captain, right, not a bad
place to be. And you're well, well, well, we won't
get too deep into that right now.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
We we'll see how it will is out after September.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Have you only ever been with fort Worth?
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Nice Hey, we heard that a lot guys that go
to Fort Worth they stay at fort Worth.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeahs, and ones that leave come back they do do, and.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I mean not to not to push on Dallas. And
then guys that go to work for Dallas could have
work for for Worth.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Right, do you see fort Worth for posters in Dallas,
Gaston then to come over, No you don't.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
They got posters done in Houston.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Sorry, sorry about that, guys. We got love for everybody.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Dallas is my department, so I have to kind of
you got to stick up for you guys.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah, I guess anger, Okay. I did want to mention
today we did get another patch in studio. We got
one from Will's Point Police Department, so.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I know where that is.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
I've heard of it.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
We used to play them. I grew up in Van
so Will's Point, I feel you, okay, yeap.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Out on the east side Dallas or east of Dallas.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
They were one of our rivals.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So well, I didn't mean to bring up I didn't mean.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
To strike an there.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Turn the patch over.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
On the show.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Well, when you go to a small town school in
East Texas, everybody's your live so true.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Well that, yeah, that's true. I got no argument there now.
I did also want to mention on the show we've
you know, offbeat. We're part of Treehouse Media. Treehouse Media
has a couple shows, and the main show those guys
have is the Treehouse Show. You can listen to those
guys on at Treehouse on air dot com. Dan O'Malley
(06:39):
or Oz Sharman and Trey Trenholm. Those guys are going
to be actually recording live coming up on July twentieth.
They're referring to it as the Sunday Fun Day road Show.
If you are in the area July twentieth, the DFW area,
they're going to be at the Maverick Sports Bar in
(07:01):
Carrollton from twelve noon to two pm, and according to
their flyer, the first forty people in the door get
a free limited edition T shirt.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Oh that's going to be me.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I've already told you need to camp out.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
I think I'm going to have to You.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Need to camp out, get your free shirt. Just start
a movement. We'll just set tents out. No one's in them,
be able to think.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Oh, man, these road shows are pretty pretty crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Six tenths out there at three in the morning.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Dan's going to fire us.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
It's all about the optics, man, It's all about the opt.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Well and that's yeah, now you know that's kind of
an idea.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Now get there early and sent in he laun chase
and wait, oh.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
That'd be awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
And there's the Offbeat crew.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
They've been there for three days.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
And yes, guys, we're going to be out there for
the road show. It is always a good time. It's
a lot of fun going out there and listening to
those guys record their show. So I invite you to
come out. Going to be in the area again. That
is July twentieth. It's going to be twelfth noon to
two pm at the Maverick Sports bart in Carrollton. Nay, yes,
enjoyne how many people the first how many people get
(08:12):
a free shirt? Fordy forty flady? Okay, not forty one
forty one. That's why you're here. So you can translate
what she says.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Oh, I struggle on a daily basis while walking the door.
I know she was saying hello or what I was
just I just hug her.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
So okay, oh.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Boy, Now, Robin, you've you've been an officer for a
long time, and any officer that's done a job for
more than thirty seconds has a story about the job
and you brought several stories with you today, and I
want to dive into some of these. You say that like, oh, yeah,
there we go.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Well, no, I mean it's again, it's it's sparking. And
I was thinking about some of some of the stuff
and probably one of the most self effacing funny things
that I did.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Was my first day.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Really, I love a first day story. We've had some
good ones.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
It started off early, so we got out in June,
got out of the academy and we were in field training.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
No, we graduated in March. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I graduated the academy on March the fourteenth in nineteen
eighty six, And of course goes straight into field training
and nobody tells you anything. They just say make sure
you have everything with you. And it's always easy to
spot the rookies because they're sitting in the back of
roll call with everything they own, duty bag, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
They gave us the briefcases, and the briefcase that I
had was like a Samsonite travel case. It didn't even
look like a briefcase. I looked like I was home
with sitting at the back of the room door doors,
had my watchcat, my baton, my everything, everything, And I
was fortunate enough to be have a training officer that
(10:00):
was extremely professional. I love him to death. His name
was Tommy Richardson. And again, like I said, I was
been very fortunate in my career and Tommy was a
great guy. As we're walking out to the car and
I have no clue, and let me back up. We
didn't have our body armor yet because it hadn't come
in that we didn't have back in eighty six, you
(10:25):
checked out radios. You didn't get a radio. We graduated
the academy, so you had to go to the radio
room and there was an officer in there named Larry Cox.
And Larry was about six foot seven, and all six
foot seven of him was stretched out across the radio
room and he had on his white T shirt and
his wrangler worked uniform pants and bright blue tennis shoes.
(10:48):
And I found out later he wore those because it
was just a tweak on the sergeants, because Larry was
one of those guys. And of course I said, hey,
they told me to come check out a radio, and
I got the whole you're a rookie, look, you know, yeah,
you don't get a radio.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
We don't have one for you to get a radio.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
And so we're walking to the car and Tommy, like
I said, was just the nicest guy ever and had
a great bubbly personality and a great attitude. And he says,
I'm going to learn as much from you as you
are from me, because I've been at the Auto Pound
for two years. And I thought, but on one of
(11:24):
our first calls, I, of course I'm right in the
pasture's seat because I have no idea where I'd be going.
And I think it was a disturbance call. And of
course to me, it was my first one of my
first calls, so this was like the most important thing
ever in the whole world. And we get there and
they gave us a description of the person that was
causing the disturbance, and I see him and I go
(11:47):
there he is, and I open the door and I
jump out of the car and get jerked right back
into the car because I forgot to take my seat
belt out. That was a great start to a career.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Yeah, hit when that happened. Raise your hand if you've
never done that, Oh, I'm telling you, yeah, yeah, every
one of us.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
That was one of the learning curves and you know,
I'm sure all of us do the same thing. When
we're getting close to somewhere, we take the seat belt off.
One day, my wife looked at me and she goes,
why do you do that? And I said, what are
you talking about? She goes, why do you take your
seat belt off right when we're like almost to the house.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
And I said, I do that. She goes, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
And I had to explain to her that it was
just a habit that you know, I'm getting close to
my destination, so I'm taking the seat belt off so
I don't get jerked back into the car when I
try to jump out and run after somebody.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, I might have to belt out at the neighbor's house.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
It's the same thing.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I used to turn the radio off like two blocks
I mean just to a song, Like two blocks from house.
I turned the radio off, seat belt off, you know,
window cracked, and all of a sudden, she's like, what
are you doing. I'm like, in my head, I'm getting
ready to get it on a call.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So going to my landing procedure, absolutely, yeah, landing, I.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Didn't have to do any of that.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
I just had to get the scott pack out of
the holder of the seat jump seat. I was so
little I couldn't get the scot pack. It was attached
into like metal clamps. So I would try and get
out and they'd be like, come on, joy, let's go.
I'm like, I'm stuck and someone have to come and
pull me.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
So you got the whole tank.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
And they were the big, big tanks, not these little
itty baby tanks they have that they complain about. This
was a big ass, huge tank that was almost as
big as me.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
The tank was so big.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Oh, how very was it was?
Speaker 1 (13:26):
It I can just see little Joe and trying tok
ont a huge thing to get one of the.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
One of the engines. The clamp was really tight and
everybody had a problem with it. If I was on
the driver's side, I had problems getting out. If I
was on the passenger side, it was easy.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I never had to do that. No, it's fun.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
We had some good times.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Well think about it. I mean, guys, the seat belt
was hard enough for us. I mean you think we.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Could have I could only imagine. Yeah, handled Yeah, those
those scarfighters they had everything.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, they really do.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
They get to wear crocs for crying out loud. They
get to bear comfy shoes.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
But but you know what, and let's I do want
to hit on this real quickly. Obviously, you guys heard
about what happened in Idaho, Yes, and absolutely tragic what
happened to our our brothers uh in the fire department
up there, and you know, I just want to take
a moment to to mention those guys and you know, hey,
(14:26):
let let their families know we were thinking about them,
absol their their agency as well, and it's just you know,
our our hearts go out to those guys. It's just
absolutely horrific events. And yeah, yeah, man, it's just just
terrible and we hate to we hate to hear about
the loss of any first responder, especially something you know,
(14:46):
as as tragic.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
As that they can't defend themselves.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah, that that was That was horrific. So yeah, I
just want to take a time to, uh to mention
that since we got on the fire fighting side.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Of thanks no, and people hear us.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Chirp at each other and you know, dog on each other,
and you don't understand that we're we're siblings and just
we're just like brothers. We're having fun, We have fun
with each other and we and we would do anything
for them and vice versa. So yeah, that that really
hit home when that happened.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, I mean, it's the whole first responder community. We're
all family, we all look out for each other. We
we got some good jokes to use against each other.
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I don't want to switch
gears here, but you guys know why They've got dogs
on fire trucks, right, so they can find the fire hydrants.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, so yeah, we kind of one extreme to the other. There,
Johanne's catching up. But that's okay, I mean, just like
the old one. I mean, we can't help, but they
couldn't score high enough on the police test, is what
it is.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
Joy.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Did you ever take a police test?
Speaker 7 (15:53):
I have?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
You did have?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
What made you go into the EMT world and all that? Instead?
Speaker 6 (15:59):
I started it in the EMT world and I just
kind of it was just part of the world where
I lived. All my friends were police fire rescue and
I actually tested twice for Rhode Island State Police. Made
it down to the last last three females my first
time around.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Nice, very nice.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Did they start with four?
Speaker 4 (16:22):
No?
Speaker 5 (16:22):
There was a lot.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
You'd be surprised, you know, back in the day is
to be a woman and get on Rhde Island State
Police was nearly impossible, and there was there was quite
a few.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Oh that's impressive, very good.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I've never heard you talk about that, so thank you.
Thank you for opening up last on episode fifty eight.
It was kind of a counseling session, right it is.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Yeah, well, yeah, JP, Bill, I did bill it as
a therapy at least.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
If you have not heard episode fifty eight, you need
to check it out. We had al who is actually
aj Oh yes, yeah, listen to the episode. You'll know
we're talking about the Jays, silent jalapenos. That's biggest, biggest
clue we'll give you right there now, Robin, let's get
back you.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I was perfectly comfortable with just sitting here.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
But we didn't get into the cascades of all the
stuff you've done.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
For Fort Worth.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Oh yeah, what jobs if you had?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
So, of course, started out in patrol in the East Division,
and back then there were only four divisions in the city,
and worked midnights. Been a midnight er forever. I love
midnights because It's easy to tell who's doing something wrong
at midnights because if they're moving around, they're pretty much
(17:41):
not doing If they're not a cop or a firefighter,
they probably shouldn't be out there. Had a great lieutenant,
the most senior lieutenant in the department, BJ Erby. Learned
a lot from him, So I worked that until ninety
when I promoted, went to the detective office, still in
the East Division when it was brand new, and that's
where I got introduced to J. C. Williams and Carlos
(18:03):
Otega and a lot of other people, a lot a
lot of mentors in my career. Left the detective office
in ninety two to go to the Whedon Seed federally
funded project that Bill Clinton started, and we had a
great time with that. We were working five ten hour
(18:25):
shifts a week because the federal government was given us overtime.
So here I am a corporal and I was making
captain's pace. So I just enjoyed that. You got used
to that, yeah, and we we did a lot of
to reduce the violent crime in that area. Promoted to
sergeant in ninety five and stayed in Whedon Seed for
(18:45):
a while and then moved around in different spots and patrol.
I went to the Gang Unit. Then I worked ZT,
which is now known as d r U, which was SRT.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Which was.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
The Fast Actions.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Well we had to put belcrow on the cars, which
just change.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
I think I've heard something about that before changing names.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
So was in ZT as a sergeant, and when Jeff
Halstead was the chief, they decided to start a brand
new unit that was going to track down and arrest
people that were committing crimes all over the city or
coming from outside the city ind to do crimes, and
we called they called us the Criminal Tracking Unit. First
time I was ever able to be involved in the
(19:31):
actual creation of a unit that had never existed before. Promoted,
the lieutenant had enough time to study for the Lieutenant's
test because I got run over by a car while
we were in the Criminal Tracking Unit.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
And that's a great way to promote.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, it was tough, but you know it's worth it.
Promoted the lieutenant went out to patrol, got put over
in communications as an acting captain for a while, and
I made captain in twenty seven and then moved around
a lot.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Been captain of the ship ever since.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Oh well, yeah, I've I've been the last one looking
at the rats leaving and trying to stop the sinking ship.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
In a couple of couple of places, I've been.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Oh, man, that that's a uh, that's a pretty good career,
that is. And it only took you forty years. Yeah,
you know I'm a slow starter, so I will. I
know you're about to try to go to a breaker.
But I remember when you promoted from sergeant lieutenant.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I was actually I just want to put at the
academy and I was sitting in the roll call and
you come in and you gave your speech or lieutenant speech,
and it was like, guys, I support an open door policy,
but not in this case.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Go talk to your sergeant first. I don't want to
hear it. This is Offbeat, the like side of law enforcement.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Check us out online at offbeatcopshow dot com.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Let's talk to Daniel Cook now from COOKFW Roofing and Restoration.
Eight three three Cook DFW is the phone number, the
website COOKDFW dot com. How are you, Daniel.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
Doing fantastic Steve, thank you brother.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Good deal. Now, now we know you do a lot
in the community, Daniel, what all do you guys do
out there.
Speaker 7 (21:19):
Well, we try to help out wherever we get asked,
and uh, you know, we've been very fortunate and we
like to give back. And we have a lot of
organizations that have made partnerships with us over the years.
And you know, some of them are complete help with
remodeling a house for senior citizens or disabled you know people.
Some are veteran assistants, retired police officers, firefighters, you know,
(21:43):
people that just need help. Sometimes they're just senior citizens
that you know, have to have their home you know,
taken care of. And so lots of organizations are out there.
Some are city fund it some are you know, privately
funded organizations. We work with several around the df W Metroplex.
Rebuilding North Texas is a big one. They try to help,
(22:04):
you know, fix homes that need repairs and are are
are unsafe.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
There's another organization called Hearts and Hammers. It's it's another
organization similar to that where they help build bruce and
or you know, fix homes that are you know, in
in bad shape and you know the people unfortunately aren't
able to take care of it. And Habitat for Humanity
we've donated stuff for there's another local charity here up
(22:29):
in the north section of town. They're rebuilding a home
that's in very bad shape for a World War II veteran.
And so these are things that we love to be
a part of. You know, it's not about just you know,
take take, take, and make sure your business is good,
good good. It's it's also taking time and let's try
to help each other out because at the end of
(22:50):
the day, that's what we're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, that is that is awesome. It's about giving back.
And you know, the reason the reason I asked you
about that is because on your social media outlets. On
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And we're back back to more Offbeat the light side
of law Enforcement. Steve here, I've got two co hosts today.
We've got joe An Jackson and we've got Detective Curtis
Hadley who go or Couco. You're our Crispy co host today,
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Soggy It did ring outside, I did so, and we
are joined with one guest in studio. We've got Captain
Robin crunch Across.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
He's never coming back after that.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I've heard them all.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Captain Krause that actually has a really good ring to it.
I mean I versus like a Lieutenant Krause or Sergeant Krause,
corporal Krause.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
That's okay. Yeah, I was hoping for chief.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
But where Batman was.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Wow, depends on which version Rob Robin the Hood. Yeah, okay,
I still like it. I like Captain Krause. That is catchy.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Well, thanks for having me absolutely.
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Now this segment off Beat sponsored by our good friends
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you had mentioned a story to me, and you know,
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regarding some wildlife.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah, you know when you live in the city. You know,
I grew up in East Texas, so I'm used to
animals and I noticed you're the same out here where
we are when you had all your pet deer everywhere.
People don't think about wildlife, and we do have wooded
areas all over the city, especially on the east side
of town where the rivers are. I was living in
(26:21):
an apartment complex working security and there was a guy
that had been involved in an altercation that turned into
a shooting and he lived in the complex where I worked,
so some officers had come out there and told me
about him, and they had gotten some information that he
was living in an abandoned trailer down by the Trinity River,
(26:43):
out in a bunch of woods.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
So they came by one day and down by the river.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
He wasn't in a van, though, an avan scooped me
up and asked me to come out there with him.
So we're working our way through the back trails to
get to this place, and it's dark, and when we
start here in crashing in the brush, and we're thinking
that this guy knew we were there and he's trying
to run from us. So we be lined towards where
we hear all the crashing, and you know, the adrenaline
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levels sky high, and because he's armed and he's already
shot one person, and you're waiting to just get into
this massive altercation in the middle of nowhere, dark and
in the woods, and the closer it gets, the more
you get. The anticipation just builds to the point where
you just want something to happen. We go, when the
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crashing gets closer than I turned on my flashlight and
there he was right in front of me.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
The whites of his eyes.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah, it's almost in his teeth because it was about
a seventy pound beaver that was crashing through the through
the underbrush, and you know, we ended up finding him
somewhere else. But that's that's the closest I've ever come
to actually having to wrestle with wildlife.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
So call him the beaver bandit.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I'm telling you. It was something I never told anybody
else about it. We told him there was a bee
were out there, but I didn't tell him how much
it scared the crap out of me.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
So I've been man, it's like my friend with the horse, Your.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Friend with the horse, John?
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Oh, yes, John, Yeah, I was in that dark barn
and searching for somebody and it's pitch black, and he
turns around and he's eyeball to eyeball with the horse.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
He's afraid of the dark now.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
And then turned around and smashed his head on a
beam or something, almost knocked himself out.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Yeah, I will say that's probably the birth beaver story
you've been I think it is.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
You know, with all the beaver out there in the world,
that's Robin brought the first beaver story to the show
I did.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
That's a damn shame you brought.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
You you brought the first beaver. Okay, you never know
what you might find in a rickety trailer down by
the river in the.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Middle of there's there's catfish and chicken stories too, and possums.
I mean, you give cops, especially on midnight's time to do.
Was doing nefarious things to each other, and it's going
to happen. Somebody found a chicken and put it in
somebody's glovebox.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
I was gonna say, just in the carpet in the
glove box.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
No, homes, I'm not talking about a packaged chicken from this.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
This was a live chicken.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
So I guess glove boxes were bigger back in your days.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
It wasn't just a chicken wing, No, the whole chicken
fit in there.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Possums and trunks and.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
We got the most mileage out of a torso mannequin
torso that that was the one.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
That I glad you said mannequin on there, because no, no, no,
not that. Yeah, we stuffed a torso in the what
we put.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
A mannequin on the the toilet in the bathroom one time.
That was great screaming.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
So the chicken in the car, I guess they put
it in there and somebody found it, like they didn't
know what was there.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Correct, Well, they heard noise coming out of the glove
box and when they opened it up it was he
was well box feather feathers and profanity, A tremendous amount
of bows.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Chicken feathers in profanity. That's a pretty good title for
the show. Yeah, that does say a lot. A chicken
in the globox? What kind of what kind of car
was this?
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Let's see, it was probably a Ford LTD OK that
was a precursor to the Crown Victoria. If you'd never
seen an ltd. It was about seventy five feet long.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, it was a land yacht. Yeah that had a
glove box the size of a chicken.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, a big chick. Was a double rest
of Rhode Island red Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Yeah, I love the Island Reds because the Brown Eggs.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Got a couple of those outside in the barn. I know,
I'm excited talking about the chicks.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Again, Stephen his chicks.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
So a chicken in a globbox that that we hadn't
heard that one yet. We've heard about the officer with
an affection towards snake, like to catch them on duty
and take them home with him, you know, take them home.
And then actually lost one in his car one day
and his relief was bitten by said snake that was
underneath the past your seat.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
It happens we did have and I wasn't involved in this,
and I will deny any any activity at all. This
is a story I heard where there was a rubber
snake that was making the rounds and it was funny
until somebody blew the floorboard out with their shotgun.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I can see that. I can see that one guy.
One guy takes.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
That's why we can't have a nice things rules.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I can't take a joke. We had a you know
you talk about shotgun blasts inside the car. We actually
had a sergeant long retired now, but it was firearms instructor.
I mean he was he was kind of hell on
the range. You know, you get those farms instructors. They're
just you know, they're not friendly people on the range,
(31:58):
and they know everything. And you would think that being
a farm's instructor and knowing everything, he wouldn't pulled the
trigger on a shotgun. Inside his car that blew out
the speaker for the police radio.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Oh my god, but.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Yeah, you Hey, accidental discharges happen.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Sometimes. Sometimes I hate to reference a previous episode again,
but if you haven't heard the one with Stan Davies
on it, his accidental discharge of his shotgun while going
inside his police department, which was also his city hall. Yeah,
shooting the toilet off the wall in the men's restroom,
that was an awesome stand down.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yeah, it's probably a felonious toilet.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Well, that's it. I mean it was probably threatening at
the very least.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I've been threatened many times by.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
A toilet, which takes me back to the silent j
in Alvidios from last week. That'll threatn you, Robin? Do
you in your forty years, I know that you have
probably been involved in some pursuits, some of them on foot. Yeah,
ever chased a phantom? Well I wasn't actually the one running,
(33:15):
but I was working that night and so I heard
this whole, all this play out over the radio. So
you were already a captain at this point you were
listening to it.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I was listening.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I think I was still an officer because I was
working East division again midnights and one of my very,
very very good friends, Kelly Carrthers. He and I went
to the academy together. And Kelly was not a small person.
He's still not a small person. I don't want to
speak to him like he's shrunk or anything, because he
absolutely hasn't. He stayed on the east Side. Everybody knows
(33:46):
him on the east Side as Cowboy. But we had
some guys that were running from some other officers and
they were again wooded area seems to be a common
theme here, and Kelly was chasing the guy and one
of the other officers that was out there, and I
don't remember that officer's name, but he was like, yeah,
he's right in front of me. I can hear him.
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I can hear him crashing through the brush. And Kelly
would stop, and then the officer go, wait, he stopped,
He's over here.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Kelly would start running and they go, he's running again.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Took about three times of that happening before everybody realized
they were chasing Kelly, and they didn't know it. So
that was the phantom foot pursuit. They were chasing somebody
that wasn't there. He's over here, guys.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
All his guy's tail all night, man, I can't find him.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
It's funny.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
What was a headline in the news not that long
ago where the a guy and then talks Kate individual
joined the search party that was out searching for him
because he had been missing, you know, long, the same
kind of lines I can. I could actually vision that though,
that he's chasing somebody and every time he keys up
(35:03):
on the radio, the other guy stops.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah he stopped. It was he's right in front of me.
And of course they didn't know where each other was.
And the funniest part about it is Kelly's just so
country and when he was telling the story, he's got
this laugh, just makes you laugh when he laughs. So
at the end of the night, we're all at the
sector and we're talking about the foot pursuit, and that's
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when we figured out that they were chasing Kelly. Except
there was one little blurb on the radio where Kelly goes,
I think that's me, you're here, And then it's dead
silent because nobody wants to fess up to the fact
that they were going the wrong direction.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
At least he wasn't keen up. Hey, Hey, there's somebody
following me here, No, it's over here. They're still following me.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Now, we have we have had people actually get followed.
We were working one night in one of our corporals.
Was on the radio and he goes, is there anybody
near Avenue Jay and Miller and what's going on? And
he goes, I'm I think I'm being pursued. And he
was driving and there was a car behind him and
(36:12):
he'd turn in the car would turn and so he's like,
this guy's chasing me. So we all ran over there and.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
We get him stopped.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
You know, back back then, we did things on the fly,
and we jerked his door open and somebody grabbed him
and pulled him out and he fell immediately on the
ground and we couldn't figure out why. Well, he was
paralyzed for the waist down and he had those hand
controls so he could drive, and and he's just like, oh.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And then we're going, why are
you chasing this cop? Do you know him or anything?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Goes No, I was just bored, and I was following
him around to see if I could see anything exciting.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Well you got that, you.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
Got a good story. Wow.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, that's that's like actually stopped the guy for dw
I one night, talking about you know, you get unexpected
things that happened when you do with the world, you know,
pulling this guy out that couldn't walk. And I pulled
the guy over for d w I and got him
out of the car, and I was going to do
the f SC on him, the field sobriety examination, which
(37:18):
included the one leg stand until I realized that he
had a prosthesis on, so that was kind of difficult
for him to do.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
So we kind of skipped that one.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Difficult or easy? Oh it would have been too easy
for him, Yes, because you could yeah, I mean he
could just I don't get me wrong, I've got no
experience with this, but my guess is that it would
make it easier.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Yeah, yeah, I can hold the prosthetic while he stands there. Yeah,
that's how I would do it.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
But just like.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
I mean, he wasn't unarmed, he was just unlegged. He
still was a threat. I mean, you're going to get
your first.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I just had questions. Uh, going back to your foot pursuits. Uh,
obviously foot pursuits there's some inherent dangers there, whether or not.
The person you're chasing is is armed, whether or not
you're familiar with the location, you're you know, you're pursuing
someone someone through and there's you know, there's obstacles, whether
(38:25):
they be man made or natural obstacles, and sometimes you
got to run past those. You had You had mentioned
a story about a particular residential area there in your
city that you guys had a lot of foot chases in.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Oh Well, they came obstacles quite a few. Caville Housing
a community on the east side of Fort Worth. It's
recently been torn down and there doing a different project there,
but it was it was a very active community. It
was it was a large housing community, uh and it
(39:01):
was one of those that was built back in the thirties,
so it was very very sturdy, a lot of brick
and mortar. If you needed to knock down the door,
you couldn't because they were metal doors. But a lot
of activity. We spent a lot of time there, and
they had clothes lines and not all the poles had
(39:22):
lines on them, but you had clothes lines on them.
And one of the things that you tried to remember
to teach the rookies when they came out was that
there were clotheslines at Cavill because if you didn't know
it and you rounded a corner, you would understand why
the football term clothesline came out and they would change
ins and go vertical and get their feet. And if
(39:43):
you were chasing someone and they were dipping around one
of the buildings where you knew the clothes line was,
you could find out very quickly whether they had ever
spent any time there at Cavill because if they were
laying on the ground, you knew they forgot the duck.
That was one of those things that you just make
sure to tell everybody. Look out around these these specific
buildings are the ones that have the clothes lines.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
That would be embarrassing and painful.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
I'd be painful. I mean Cavill had its own patrol
at one point time, correct, Yeah, they had foot patrol,
their own foot patrol at one point time.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Billy Daniels and Frank Lacrosse that worked out there. Yeah,
the patrol. And Billy was hilarious. Billy is a very
large man and and this was again was in the eighties,
and Billy wore his cream abdul Jabbar glasses, the ones
with the with the head strap on him and they
were bright yellow.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Well that's so they stay off if you get clothes.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, make sure that you keep your glass.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah, you gotta watch out for those obstacles. We actually
had an officer. He was in his car and he
was pursuing somebody. They went across a vacant parking lot
and he tried to turn into a different location. It's
got the two concrete posts on each side of the driveway.
He didn't see the cable going across the two, and
the cable did make it over the hood, but took
out the windshield, the light bar and all that kind
(40:59):
of stuff. So almost to smoking smoking the bandit kind
of moment.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Oh yeah, you had to be real careful with anywhere
you drove and how you you left your vehicle when
you had to leave to conduct a foot pursuit. We
were chasing a car one night, I believe it was
a stolen car out of another city and my good
friend Steve Hall was the one that was right behind
the guy and they ended up in an apartment complex
(41:28):
over off of East Lancaster and it was one of
those that had the brick pillars and it was just
wide enough for a car. And I was riding with
a partner that night, and as we came down the
backstreet to where they had gone, we see a police
car up on the with its back end up on
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the curb. And we pull in and we see the
suspect vehicle because it had hit the building. The guy
had bailed out and run and we can't find Steve anywhere,
and we're calling out and he goes, oh, I caught him.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
I caught him.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
And he comes walking back with this big grin on
his face because he had chased this guy down, and
you know, he was really happy about it. And as
he got closer to us, his expression changed and then
he looked at that looked at me, and he goes,
where's my car? I said, is that out there out
there on the street. And he had thought he put
(42:24):
it in park, but he didn't go quite far enough,
so it was in reverse. And I don't know how
that car backed itself up out the driveway and between
those two pillars without hitting anything, and it was up
on a shrub is the only reason it didn't damage
the car. But just the look on his face when
he realized his car wasn't there anymore, was priced.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Ah lucky he couldn't He could never replicate that.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
You couldn't have You couldn't have driven it backwards. I
would have hit something. Of course I hit a lot
of things when in my career driving.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
So at least he didn't run himself over.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
I've seen that too.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah, we uh shout out to Stan Davies again for
running himself over with his own car. Check out the episode, guys.
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We've got Captain Robin kraus Forth Police Department. Now, if
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fourth Police Officers Association headquarters and then you made sure
that it got to uh got to Billy's spouse.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah, And I was I was more than humbled to
be able to participate in that. And what a great organization.
I'm glad that it's lived on. It was it was
one of those things that is from somebody you never
expected it to come from. And the fact that he
took such ownership over taking care of families have fallen
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It is. It's a shame that there has to be
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Speaker 6 (47:10):
It's definitely a blessing for the families for the immediate time.
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as we were going into break on the last segment,
you you were reminded of another story and we had
(49:24):
to tap the brakes on it. But we're gonna let
you bring that, bring that forward here and set that
story free for us. You be you know again it
involved another foot pursuit. Yes, it kind of combined the
theme of a foot pursuit and dude, where's my card of.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
Sort of let us have it.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Back in the in the again in the eighties and
a lot of time fort Worth was jumping in the
eighties and I was fortunate to work as a rookie
during that time on the East Side, and we had
a section of town over off of Riverside and Berry
that had three urge department complex is just mashed together.
A lot of time spending there, a lot of activity
(50:06):
and one of the officers I worked with was Puerto
Rican by birth, and he came to Texas and he
became a Fort Worth officer. But he had a real
heavy accent. Who's a dual citizenship officer, And he was
very enjoyable because very heavy accent, and when he'd get excited,
he would revert to speaking Spanish over the radio, so
(50:26):
you knew when things were really going crazy. But he
got a call in that complex one night about some
kids damaging property and as he pulled into the complex,
they ran from him and I heard him calling out
in a foot pursuit, and then later he asked for
a supervisor. Well, yeah, you don't know what happened there.
So I was curious, and when he came back to
the sector after the shift was over, I asked him
(50:47):
in the row call room and said, Hey, what happened
out there? He asked for a supervisor and he said, oh, man,
I pulled into the complex and I see them standing
there and they start to run across the playground and
I jump out and I'm chasing them because I'm running
and I'm running and I'm looking at police car's going
by me and I looked down and it was my car.
Speaker 9 (51:08):
And I said, geez, what did you do? And he goes,
I ran along beside it and pulled the door open,
and I'm trying to stop it, and into it, I
hit a tree. That's exactly how he said. It was
just he was so crushed. But yeah, so's his car.
Oh yeah, always put it in part.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
After that, we called himlstopa.
Speaker 3 (51:30):
He was. He was a great guy.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
But did he catch the people he was chasing?
Speaker 3 (51:36):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Uh. I think he shifted his focus to the fact
that he was lucky he didn't get run over by
his car, But then he was very, very sad that
he had hit a tree.
Speaker 4 (51:48):
I can almost see that moment too. And you look
over and you're like, oh, look, the Calvary's ear here
to help me, and like, hey, who's driving a car along?
Speaker 5 (51:54):
And you're looking and you're looking, and you're.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Like, I'm my own cavalry. I mean, that's not unlike
being a canine officer. You know, you hit the button
and the door kicks open, your dog comes running to
help you out. This time he just hit the button.
His cards came running to help you out. One night rider,
I promise you all right, guys, that's what we got
for today's show. Robin, it's been pleasure for having you
(52:18):
in the studio. Thanks for coming on, Sirk you it's
been a pleasure being here. I appreciate it. Guys, until
next time, keep it real, keep it funny, stay safe,
and watch each other six
Welcome, Welcome to Offbeat, the Light Side of Law Enforcement,
part of the Treehouse Podcast Network. On today's show, we'll
discuss beavers, foot chases, and more. I'm Steve joining me Today.
We've got Joe and Jackson. Hey, and Joan's our co host.
(00:48):
Today We've got a co co host, Detective Curtis Hadley.
Coco the Coco Curtis, the Coco and Cocoke Curtis. It's
like Coco Crispies, Coco Curtis, and we are joined in
the studio with one guest. Today, we've got Captain Robin Krause.
(01:10):
Good afternoon, not you know, going back to the Coco Crispies.
I mean, not to be confused with Captain Crunch. I've
heard that one too. You've heard that one. You've been
called Captain crunchby I have.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
And I don't know if this is a family show,
So we can't get into too much of what I've
been called.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
So you know what when you refer to family show, Hey,
we're all family. Yes, true, Yeah, it's the first responder fan.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I don't know whether to be uh honored or appalled
that you have to have co hosts with me.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Here is it because I'm so fat.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Or wow, wow, two of us here to monitor, one's
here to host.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Curtis Curtis is kind of security today.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
I'm usually the fall guy.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
I'm the one that usually gets thrown under the bus
because I say something and then Steve Lake is.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Like, oh really yeah, I oftentimes have to have a monitor.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And I can tell you about that when I went
to the detective office.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Oh okay, yeah, this is great where we're thinking their stories,
you know, and and here we are, we're in the
introduction here.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, I'm old, so it's gonna take something to prompt
my dusty memory.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Well, we can talk about the many, many, many many
years of law enforcement you've been in.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I'm just getting started at my rookie with just a
little bit of street experience.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
So did you say how many years you've.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Been November will be my fortieth year.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
When when I was at the.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Academy, Wow, you've seen some changes, just a few.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Some of them are changing from horses to cars.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
I was just gonna say that horse cars.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, modern machinery.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
I was kind of.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
Hoping you were going to say it because I just
met Robin Today's I hear it all or for to
help me with something that's going to be like forget you.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
I mean bow and Arrows, you name it. I play
in the pipes, you know, I'm in the pipes and
drum band. And of course everybody's there, everybody's younger than me,
and they off think that they're funny by mentioning the
fact that I was working with Abraham Lincoln And how
was that working with this mister Lincoln. Yeah, I was
there when it was written.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Oh wow wow, okay, So so fourth did July have
a special meaning to you? I mean, were you here
for the first one?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Yeah, kind of.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I was the one that told Francis to use that
tune because it was a beer drinking song instead of
the one he was thinking about. It was a little
too solemn, little little too solemn. He needed one that
had a little more sway to it.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
Fair enough history for today.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
You know, with the show, we always have a learning
point on the show. Try to be educational, absolutely so, Robin,
any any set date for when you're gonna hang up
the gun belt? No?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I mean you see guys that have left and ones
that have talked to me about going, and you hear
it all the time. When you know when it's time. Yes,
And I think you probably can relate to that, and
absolutely right now, it's not. I mean, I still enjoy
what I'm doing, and my main motivation is I don't
I've benefited so much from other people. I've had a
(04:16):
very very very good career. I was very fortunate in
the places that I've worked and the people I've worked
with and around, and I just because of the benefit
I've had from others, I've been trying to pay it
back and I don't feel like I've paid back enough yet.
My bank accounts still in the red.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Still.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
That's that's the way I feel.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And you know, I get up every day and I'm
still glad to be where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So well, and you already, captain, you're with the four
Worth Police Department, correct, yes, sir, Okay, so yeah, it's
it's good to be a captain, right, not a bad
place to be. And you're well, well, well, we won't
get too deep into that right now.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
We we'll see how it will is out after September.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Have you only ever been with fort Worth?
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Nice Hey, we heard that a lot guys that go
to Fort Worth they stay at fort Worth.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeahs, and ones that leave come back they do do, and.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I mean not to not to push on Dallas. And
then guys that go to work for Dallas could have
work for for Worth.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Right, do you see fort Worth for posters in Dallas,
Gaston then to come over, No you don't.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
They got posters done in Houston.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Sorry, sorry about that, guys. We got love for everybody.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Dallas is my department, so I have to kind of
you got to stick up for you guys.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah, I guess anger, Okay. I did want to mention
today we did get another patch in studio. We got
one from Will's Point Police Department, so.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
I know where that is.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
I've heard of it.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
We used to play them. I grew up in Van
so Will's Point, I feel you, okay, yeap.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Out on the east side Dallas or east of Dallas.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
They were one of our rivals.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So well, I didn't mean to bring up I didn't mean.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
To strike an there.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Turn the patch over.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
On the show.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Well, when you go to a small town school in
East Texas, everybody's your live so true.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Well that, yeah, that's true. I got no argument there now.
I did also want to mention on the show we've
you know, offbeat. We're part of Treehouse Media. Treehouse Media
has a couple shows, and the main show those guys
have is the Treehouse Show. You can listen to those
guys on at Treehouse on air dot com. Dan O'Malley
(06:39):
or Oz Sharman and Trey Trenholm. Those guys are going
to be actually recording live coming up on July twentieth.
They're referring to it as the Sunday Fun Day road Show.
If you are in the area July twentieth, the DFW area,
they're going to be at the Maverick Sports Bar in
(07:01):
Carrollton from twelve noon to two pm, and according to
their flyer, the first forty people in the door get
a free limited edition T shirt.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Oh that's going to be me.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I've already told you need to camp out.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
I think I'm going to have to You.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Need to camp out, get your free shirt. Just start
a movement. We'll just set tents out. No one's in them,
be able to think.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Oh, man, these road shows are pretty pretty crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Six tenths out there at three in the morning.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Dan's going to fire us.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
It's all about the optics, man, It's all about the opt.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Well and that's yeah, now you know that's kind of
an idea.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Now get there early and sent in he laun chase
and wait, oh.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
That'd be awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
And there's the Offbeat crew.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
They've been there for three days.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
And yes, guys, we're going to be out there for
the road show. It is always a good time. It's
a lot of fun going out there and listening to
those guys record their show. So I invite you to
come out. Going to be in the area again. That
is July twentieth. It's going to be twelfth noon to
two pm at the Maverick Sports bart in Carrollton. Nay, yes,
enjoyne how many people the first how many people get
(08:12):
a free shirt? Fordy forty flady? Okay, not forty one
forty one. That's why you're here. So you can translate
what she says.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Oh, I struggle on a daily basis while walking the door.
I know she was saying hello or what I was
just I just hug her.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
So okay, oh.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Boy, Now, Robin, you've you've been an officer for a
long time, and any officer that's done a job for
more than thirty seconds has a story about the job
and you brought several stories with you today, and I
want to dive into some of these. You say that like, oh, yeah,
there we go.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Well, no, I mean it's again, it's it's sparking. And
I was thinking about some of some of the stuff
and probably one of the most self effacing funny things
that I did.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Was my first day.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
Really, I love a first day story. We've had some
good ones.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
It started off early, so we got out in June,
got out of the academy and we were in field training.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
No, we graduated in March. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
I graduated the academy on March the fourteenth in nineteen
eighty six, And of course goes straight into field training
and nobody tells you anything. They just say make sure
you have everything with you. And it's always easy to
spot the rookies because they're sitting in the back of
roll call with everything they own, duty bag, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
They gave us the briefcases, and the briefcase that I
had was like a Samsonite travel case. It didn't even
look like a briefcase. I looked like I was home
with sitting at the back of the room door doors,
had my watchcat, my baton, my everything, everything, And I
was fortunate enough to be have a training officer that
(10:00):
was extremely professional. I love him to death. His name
was Tommy Richardson. And again, like I said, I was
been very fortunate in my career and Tommy was a
great guy. As we're walking out to the car and
I have no clue, and let me back up. We
didn't have our body armor yet because it hadn't come
in that we didn't have back in eighty six, you
(10:25):
checked out radios. You didn't get a radio. We graduated
the academy, so you had to go to the radio
room and there was an officer in there named Larry Cox.
And Larry was about six foot seven, and all six
foot seven of him was stretched out across the radio
room and he had on his white T shirt and
his wrangler worked uniform pants and bright blue tennis shoes.
(10:48):
And I found out later he wore those because it
was just a tweak on the sergeants, because Larry was
one of those guys. And of course I said, hey,
they told me to come check out a radio, and
I got the whole you're a rookie, look, you know, yeah,
you don't get a radio.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
We don't have one for you to get a radio.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
And so we're walking to the car and Tommy, like
I said, was just the nicest guy ever and had
a great bubbly personality and a great attitude. And he says,
I'm going to learn as much from you as you
are from me, because I've been at the Auto Pound
for two years. And I thought, but on one of
(11:24):
our first calls, I, of course I'm right in the
pasture's seat because I have no idea where I'd be going.
And I think it was a disturbance call. And of
course to me, it was my first one of my
first calls, so this was like the most important thing
ever in the whole world. And we get there and
they gave us a description of the person that was
causing the disturbance, and I see him and I go
(11:47):
there he is, and I open the door and I
jump out of the car and get jerked right back
into the car because I forgot to take my seat
belt out. That was a great start to a career.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Yeah, hit when that happened. Raise your hand if you've
never done that, Oh, I'm telling you, yeah, yeah, every
one of us.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
That was one of the learning curves and you know,
I'm sure all of us do the same thing. When
we're getting close to somewhere, we take the seat belt off.
One day, my wife looked at me and she goes,
why do you do that? And I said, what are
you talking about? She goes, why do you take your
seat belt off right when we're like almost to the house.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
And I said, I do that. She goes, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
And I had to explain to her that it was
just a habit that you know, I'm getting close to
my destination, so I'm taking the seat belt off so
I don't get jerked back into the car when I
try to jump out and run after somebody.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, I might have to belt out at the neighbor's house.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
It's the same thing.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
I used to turn the radio off like two blocks
I mean just to a song, Like two blocks from house.
I turned the radio off, seat belt off, you know,
window cracked, and all of a sudden, she's like, what
are you doing. I'm like, in my head, I'm getting
ready to get it on a call.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So going to my landing procedure, absolutely, yeah, landing, I.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Didn't have to do any of that.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
I just had to get the scott pack out of
the holder of the seat jump seat. I was so
little I couldn't get the scot pack. It was attached
into like metal clamps. So I would try and get
out and they'd be like, come on, joy, let's go.
I'm like, I'm stuck and someone have to come and
pull me.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
So you got the whole tank.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
And they were the big, big tanks, not these little
itty baby tanks they have that they complain about. This
was a big ass, huge tank that was almost as
big as me.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
The tank was so big.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Oh, how very was it was?
Speaker 1 (13:26):
It I can just see little Joe and trying tok
ont a huge thing to get one of the.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
One of the engines. The clamp was really tight and
everybody had a problem with it. If I was on
the driver's side, I had problems getting out. If I
was on the passenger side, it was easy.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I never had to do that. No, it's fun.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
We had some good times.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Well think about it. I mean, guys, the seat belt
was hard enough for us. I mean you think we.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Could have I could only imagine. Yeah, handled Yeah, those
those scarfighters they had everything.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, they really do.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
They get to wear crocs for crying out loud. They
get to bear comfy shoes.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
But but you know what, and let's I do want
to hit on this real quickly. Obviously, you guys heard
about what happened in Idaho, Yes, and absolutely tragic what
happened to our our brothers uh in the fire department
up there, and you know, I just want to take
a moment to to mention those guys and you know, hey,
(14:26):
let let their families know we were thinking about them,
absol their their agency as well, and it's just you know,
our our hearts go out to those guys. It's just
absolutely horrific events. And yeah, yeah, man, it's just just
terrible and we hate to we hate to hear about
the loss of any first responder, especially something you know,
(14:46):
as as tragic.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
As that they can't defend themselves.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah, that that was That was horrific. So yeah, I
just want to take a time to, uh to mention
that since we got on the fire fighting side.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Of thanks no, and people hear us.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Chirp at each other and you know, dog on each other,
and you don't understand that we're we're siblings and just
we're just like brothers. We're having fun, We have fun
with each other and we and we would do anything
for them and vice versa. So yeah, that that really
hit home when that happened.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, I mean, it's the whole first responder community. We're
all family, we all look out for each other. We
we got some good jokes to use against each other.
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I don't want to switch
gears here, but you guys know why They've got dogs
on fire trucks, right, so they can find the fire hydrants.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah, so yeah, we kind of one extreme to the other. There,
Johanne's catching up. But that's okay, I mean, just like
the old one. I mean, we can't help, but they
couldn't score high enough on the police test, is what
it is.
Speaker 7 (15:51):
Joy.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Did you ever take a police test?
Speaker 7 (15:53):
I have?
Speaker 1 (15:54):
You did have?
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
What made you go into the EMT world and all that? Instead?
Speaker 6 (15:59):
I started it in the EMT world and I just
kind of it was just part of the world where
I lived. All my friends were police fire rescue and
I actually tested twice for Rhode Island State Police. Made
it down to the last last three females my first
time around.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Nice, very nice.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Did they start with four?
Speaker 4 (16:22):
No?
Speaker 5 (16:22):
There was a lot.
Speaker 6 (16:23):
You'd be surprised, you know, back in the day is
to be a woman and get on Rhde Island State
Police was nearly impossible, and there was there was quite
a few.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Oh that's impressive, very good.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I've never heard you talk about that, so thank you.
Thank you for opening up last on episode fifty eight.
It was kind of a counseling session, right it is.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Yeah, well, yeah, JP, Bill, I did bill it as
a therapy at least.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
If you have not heard episode fifty eight, you need
to check it out. We had al who is actually
aj Oh yes, yeah, listen to the episode. You'll know
we're talking about the Jays, silent jalapenos. That's biggest, biggest
clue we'll give you right there now, Robin, let's get
back you.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I was perfectly comfortable with just sitting here.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
But we didn't get into the cascades of all the
stuff you've done.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
For Fort Worth.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Oh yeah, what jobs if you had?
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
So, of course, started out in patrol in the East Division,
and back then there were only four divisions in the city,
and worked midnights. Been a midnight er forever. I love
midnights because It's easy to tell who's doing something wrong
at midnights because if they're moving around, they're pretty much
(17:41):
not doing If they're not a cop or a firefighter,
they probably shouldn't be out there. Had a great lieutenant,
the most senior lieutenant in the department, BJ Erby. Learned
a lot from him, So I worked that until ninety
when I promoted, went to the detective office, still in
the East Division when it was brand new, and that's
where I got introduced to J. C. Williams and Carlos
(18:03):
Otega and a lot of other people, a lot a
lot of mentors in my career. Left the detective office
in ninety two to go to the Whedon Seed federally
funded project that Bill Clinton started, and we had a
great time with that. We were working five ten hour
(18:25):
shifts a week because the federal government was given us overtime.
So here I am a corporal and I was making
captain's pace. So I just enjoyed that. You got used
to that, yeah, and we we did a lot of
to reduce the violent crime in that area. Promoted to
sergeant in ninety five and stayed in Whedon Seed for
(18:45):
a while and then moved around in different spots and patrol.
I went to the Gang Unit. Then I worked ZT,
which is now known as d r U, which was SRT.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Which was.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
The Fast Actions.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Well we had to put belcrow on the cars, which
just change.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
I think I've heard something about that before changing names.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
So was in ZT as a sergeant, and when Jeff
Halstead was the chief, they decided to start a brand
new unit that was going to track down and arrest
people that were committing crimes all over the city or
coming from outside the city ind to do crimes, and
we called they called us the Criminal Tracking Unit. First
time I was ever able to be involved in the
(19:31):
actual creation of a unit that had never existed before. Promoted,
the lieutenant had enough time to study for the Lieutenant's
test because I got run over by a car while
we were in the Criminal Tracking Unit.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
And that's a great way to promote.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, it was tough, but you know it's worth it.
Promoted the lieutenant went out to patrol, got put over
in communications as an acting captain for a while, and
I made captain in twenty seven and then moved around
a lot.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Been captain of the ship ever since.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Oh well, yeah, I've I've been the last one looking
at the rats leaving and trying to stop the sinking ship.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
In a couple of couple of places, I've been.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Oh, man, that that's a uh, that's a pretty good career,
that is. And it only took you forty years. Yeah,
you know I'm a slow starter, so I will. I
know you're about to try to go to a breaker.
But I remember when you promoted from sergeant lieutenant.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I was actually I just want to put at the
academy and I was sitting in the roll call and
you come in and you gave your speech or lieutenant speech,
and it was like, guys, I support an open door policy,
but not in this case.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Go talk to your sergeant first. I don't want to
hear it. This is Offbeat, the like side of law enforcement.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Check us out online at offbeatcopshow dot com.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Let's talk to Daniel Cook now from COOKFW Roofing and Restoration.
Eight three three Cook DFW is the phone number, the
website COOKDFW dot com. How are you, Daniel.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
Doing fantastic Steve, thank you brother.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Good deal. Now, now we know you do a lot
in the community, Daniel, what all do you guys do
out there.
Speaker 7 (21:19):
Well, we try to help out wherever we get asked,
and uh, you know, we've been very fortunate and we
like to give back. And we have a lot of
organizations that have made partnerships with us over the years.
And you know, some of them are complete help with
remodeling a house for senior citizens or disabled you know people.
Some are veteran assistants, retired police officers, firefighters, you know,
(21:43):
people that just need help. Sometimes they're just senior citizens
that you know, have to have their home you know,
taken care of. And so lots of organizations are out there.
Some are city fund it some are you know, privately
funded organizations. We work with several around the df W Metroplex.
Rebuilding North Texas is a big one. They try to help,
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you know, fix homes that need repairs and are are
are unsafe.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (22:09):
There's another organization called Hearts and Hammers. It's it's another
organization similar to that where they help build bruce and
or you know, fix homes that are you know, in
in bad shape and you know the people unfortunately aren't
able to take care of it. And Habitat for Humanity
we've donated stuff for there's another local charity here up
(22:29):
in the north section of town. They're rebuilding a home
that's in very bad shape for a World War II veteran.
And so these are things that we love to be
a part of. You know, it's not about just you know,
take take, take, and make sure your business is good,
good good. It's it's also taking time and let's try
to help each other out because at the end of
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the day, that's what we're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, that is that is awesome. It's about giving back.
And you know, the reason the reason I asked you
about that is because on your social media outlets. On
you you're on Facebook, you're on Instagram. I saw you
guys posted a video you in particular where you're out
working on a house and you guys were putting the
roof on the house for them, and that just that's
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Speaker 1 (24:24):
And we're back back to more Offbeat the light side
of law Enforcement. Steve here, I've got two co hosts today.
We've got joe An Jackson and we've got Detective Curtis
Hadley who go or Couco. You're our Crispy co host today,
(24:44):
Soggy It did ring outside, I did so, and we
are joined with one guest in studio. We've got Captain
Robin crunch Across.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
He's never coming back after that.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I've heard them all.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Captain Krause that actually has a really good ring to it.
I mean I versus like a Lieutenant Krause or Sergeant Krause,
corporal Krause.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
That's okay. Yeah, I was hoping for chief.
Speaker 5 (25:13):
But where Batman was.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Wow, depends on which version Rob Robin the Hood. Yeah, okay,
I still like it. I like Captain Krause. That is catchy.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Well, thanks for having me absolutely.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Now this segment off Beat sponsored by our good friends
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you had mentioned a story to me, and you know,
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regarding some wildlife.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah, you know when you live in the city. You know,
I grew up in East Texas, so I'm used to
animals and I noticed you're the same out here where
we are when you had all your pet deer everywhere.
People don't think about wildlife, and we do have wooded
areas all over the city, especially on the east side
of town where the rivers are. I was living in
(26:21):
an apartment complex working security and there was a guy
that had been involved in an altercation that turned into
a shooting and he lived in the complex where I worked,
so some officers had come out there and told me
about him, and they had gotten some information that he
was living in an abandoned trailer down by the Trinity River,
(26:43):
out in a bunch of woods.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
So they came by one day and down by the river.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
He wasn't in a van, though, an avan scooped me
up and asked me to come out there with him.
So we're working our way through the back trails to
get to this place, and it's dark, and when we
start here in crashing in the brush, and we're thinking
that this guy knew we were there and he's trying
to run from us. So we be lined towards where
we hear all the crashing, and you know, the adrenaline
(27:08):
levels sky high, and because he's armed and he's already
shot one person, and you're waiting to just get into
this massive altercation in the middle of nowhere, dark and
in the woods, and the closer it gets, the more
you get. The anticipation just builds to the point where
you just want something to happen. We go, when the
(27:29):
crashing gets closer than I turned on my flashlight and
there he was right in front of me.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
The whites of his eyes.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah, it's almost in his teeth because it was about
a seventy pound beaver that was crashing through the through
the underbrush, and you know, we ended up finding him
somewhere else. But that's that's the closest I've ever come
to actually having to wrestle with wildlife.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
So call him the beaver bandit.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I'm telling you. It was something I never told anybody
else about it. We told him there was a bee
were out there, but I didn't tell him how much
it scared the crap out of me.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
So I've been man, it's like my friend with the horse, Your.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Friend with the horse, John?
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Oh, yes, John, Yeah, I was in that dark barn
and searching for somebody and it's pitch black, and he
turns around and he's eyeball to eyeball with the horse.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
He's afraid of the dark now.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
And then turned around and smashed his head on a
beam or something, almost knocked himself out.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Yeah, I will say that's probably the birth beaver story
you've been I think it is.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
You know, with all the beaver out there in the world,
that's Robin brought the first beaver story to the show
I did.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
That's a damn shame you brought.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
You you brought the first beaver. Okay, you never know
what you might find in a rickety trailer down by
the river in the.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Middle of there's there's catfish and chicken stories too, and possums.
I mean, you give cops, especially on midnight's time to do.
Was doing nefarious things to each other, and it's going
to happen. Somebody found a chicken and put it in
somebody's glovebox.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
I was gonna say, just in the carpet in the
glove box.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
No, homes, I'm not talking about a packaged chicken from this.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
This was a live chicken.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
So I guess glove boxes were bigger back in your days.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
It wasn't just a chicken wing, No, the whole chicken
fit in there.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Possums and trunks and.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
We got the most mileage out of a torso mannequin
torso that that was the one.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
That I glad you said mannequin on there, because no, no, no,
not that. Yeah, we stuffed a torso in the what
we put.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
A mannequin on the the toilet in the bathroom one time.
That was great screaming.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
So the chicken in the car, I guess they put
it in there and somebody found it, like they didn't
know what was there.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Correct, Well, they heard noise coming out of the glove
box and when they opened it up it was he
was well box feather feathers and profanity, A tremendous amount
of bows.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Chicken feathers in profanity. That's a pretty good title for
the show. Yeah, that does say a lot. A chicken
in the globox? What kind of what kind of car
was this?
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Let's see, it was probably a Ford LTD OK that
was a precursor to the Crown Victoria. If you'd never
seen an ltd. It was about seventy five feet long.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, it was a land yacht. Yeah that had a
glove box the size of a chicken.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, a big chick. Was a double rest
of Rhode Island red Yeah.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
Yeah, I love the Island Reds because the Brown Eggs.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Got a couple of those outside in the barn. I know,
I'm excited talking about the chicks.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Again, Stephen his chicks.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
So a chicken in a globbox that that we hadn't
heard that one yet. We've heard about the officer with
an affection towards snake, like to catch them on duty
and take them home with him, you know, take them home.
And then actually lost one in his car one day
and his relief was bitten by said snake that was
underneath the past your seat.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
It happens we did have and I wasn't involved in this,
and I will deny any any activity at all. This
is a story I heard where there was a rubber
snake that was making the rounds and it was funny
until somebody blew the floorboard out with their shotgun.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I can see that. I can see that one guy.
One guy takes.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
That's why we can't have a nice things rules.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I can't take a joke. We had a you know
you talk about shotgun blasts inside the car. We actually
had a sergeant long retired now, but it was firearms instructor.
I mean he was he was kind of hell on
the range. You know, you get those farms instructors. They're
just you know, they're not friendly people on the range,
(31:58):
and they know everything. And you would think that being
a farm's instructor and knowing everything, he wouldn't pulled the
trigger on a shotgun. Inside his car that blew out
the speaker for the police radio.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Oh my god, but.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Yeah, you Hey, accidental discharges happen.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Sometimes. Sometimes I hate to reference a previous episode again,
but if you haven't heard the one with Stan Davies
on it, his accidental discharge of his shotgun while going
inside his police department, which was also his city hall. Yeah,
shooting the toilet off the wall in the men's restroom,
that was an awesome stand down.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Yeah, it's probably a felonious toilet.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Well, that's it. I mean it was probably threatening at
the very least.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
I've been threatened many times by.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
A toilet, which takes me back to the silent j
in Alvidios from last week. That'll threatn you, Robin? Do
you in your forty years, I know that you have
probably been involved in some pursuits, some of them on foot. Yeah,
ever chased a phantom? Well I wasn't actually the one running,
(33:15):
but I was working that night and so I heard
this whole, all this play out over the radio. So
you were already a captain at this point you were
listening to it.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I was listening.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I think I was still an officer because I was
working East division again midnights and one of my very,
very very good friends, Kelly Carrthers. He and I went
to the academy together. And Kelly was not a small person.
He's still not a small person. I don't want to
speak to him like he's shrunk or anything, because he
absolutely hasn't. He stayed on the east Side. Everybody knows
(33:46):
him on the east Side as Cowboy. But we had
some guys that were running from some other officers and
they were again wooded area seems to be a common
theme here, and Kelly was chasing the guy and one
of the other officers that was out there, and I
don't remember that officer's name, but he was like, yeah,
he's right in front of me. I can hear him.
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I can hear him crashing through the brush. And Kelly
would stop, and then the officer go, wait, he stopped,
He's over here.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Kelly would start running and they go, he's running again.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Took about three times of that happening before everybody realized
they were chasing Kelly, and they didn't know it. So
that was the phantom foot pursuit. They were chasing somebody
that wasn't there. He's over here, guys.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
All his guy's tail all night, man, I can't find him.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
It's funny.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
What was a headline in the news not that long
ago where the a guy and then talks Kate individual
joined the search party that was out searching for him
because he had been missing, you know, long, the same
kind of lines I can. I could actually vision that though,
that he's chasing somebody and every time he keys up
(35:03):
on the radio, the other guy stops.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah he stopped. It was he's right in front of me.
And of course they didn't know where each other was.
And the funniest part about it is Kelly's just so
country and when he was telling the story, he's got
this laugh, just makes you laugh when he laughs. So
at the end of the night, we're all at the
sector and we're talking about the foot pursuit, and that's
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when we figured out that they were chasing Kelly. Except
there was one little blurb on the radio where Kelly goes,
I think that's me, you're here, And then it's dead
silent because nobody wants to fess up to the fact
that they were going the wrong direction.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
At least he wasn't keen up. Hey, Hey, there's somebody
following me here, No, it's over here. They're still following me.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Now, we have we have had people actually get followed.
We were working one night in one of our corporals.
Was on the radio and he goes, is there anybody
near Avenue Jay and Miller and what's going on? And
he goes, I'm I think I'm being pursued. And he
was driving and there was a car behind him and
(36:12):
he'd turn in the car would turn and so he's like,
this guy's chasing me. So we all ran over there and.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
We get him stopped.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
You know, back back then, we did things on the fly,
and we jerked his door open and somebody grabbed him
and pulled him out and he fell immediately on the
ground and we couldn't figure out why. Well, he was
paralyzed for the waist down and he had those hand
controls so he could drive, and and he's just like, oh.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And then we're going, why are
you chasing this cop? Do you know him or anything?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Goes No, I was just bored, and I was following
him around to see if I could see anything exciting.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Well you got that, you.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
Got a good story. Wow.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, that's that's like actually stopped the guy for dw
I one night, talking about you know, you get unexpected
things that happened when you do with the world, you know,
pulling this guy out that couldn't walk. And I pulled
the guy over for d w I and got him
out of the car, and I was going to do
the f SC on him, the field sobriety examination, which
(37:18):
included the one leg stand until I realized that he
had a prosthesis on, so that was kind of difficult
for him to do.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
So we kind of skipped that one.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
Difficult or easy? Oh it would have been too easy
for him, Yes, because you could yeah, I mean he
could just I don't get me wrong, I've got no
experience with this, but my guess is that it would
make it easier.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Yeah, yeah, I can hold the prosthetic while he stands there. Yeah,
that's how I would do it.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
But just like.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
I mean, he wasn't unarmed, he was just unlegged. He
still was a threat. I mean, you're going to get
your first.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I just had questions. Uh, going back to your foot pursuits. Uh,
obviously foot pursuits there's some inherent dangers there, whether or not.
The person you're chasing is is armed, whether or not
you're familiar with the location, you're you know, you're pursuing
someone someone through and there's you know, there's obstacles, whether
(38:25):
they be man made or natural obstacles, and sometimes you
got to run past those. You had You had mentioned
a story about a particular residential area there in your
city that you guys had a lot of foot chases in.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Oh Well, they came obstacles quite a few. Caville Housing
a community on the east side of Fort Worth. It's
recently been torn down and there doing a different project there,
but it was it was a very active community. It
was it was a large housing community, uh and it
(39:01):
was one of those that was built back in the thirties,
so it was very very sturdy, a lot of brick
and mortar. If you needed to knock down the door,
you couldn't because they were metal doors. But a lot
of activity. We spent a lot of time there, and
they had clothes lines and not all the poles had
(39:22):
lines on them, but you had clothes lines on them.
And one of the things that you tried to remember
to teach the rookies when they came out was that
there were clotheslines at Cavill because if you didn't know
it and you rounded a corner, you would understand why
the football term clothesline came out and they would change
ins and go vertical and get their feet. And if
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you were chasing someone and they were dipping around one
of the buildings where you knew the clothes line was,
you could find out very quickly whether they had ever
spent any time there at Cavill because if they were
laying on the ground, you knew they forgot the duck.
That was one of those things that you just make
sure to tell everybody. Look out around these these specific
buildings are the ones that have the clothes lines.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
That would be embarrassing and painful.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
I'd be painful. I mean Cavill had its own patrol
at one point time, correct, Yeah, they had foot patrol,
their own foot patrol at one point time.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Billy Daniels and Frank Lacrosse that worked out there. Yeah,
the patrol. And Billy was hilarious. Billy is a very
large man and and this was again was in the eighties,
and Billy wore his cream abdul Jabbar glasses, the ones
with the with the head strap on him and they
were bright yellow.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Well that's so they stay off if you get clothes.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, make sure that you keep your glass.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
That's funny.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Yeah, you gotta watch out for those obstacles. We actually
had an officer. He was in his car and he
was pursuing somebody. They went across a vacant parking lot
and he tried to turn into a different location. It's
got the two concrete posts on each side of the driveway.
He didn't see the cable going across the two, and
the cable did make it over the hood, but took
out the windshield, the light bar and all that kind
(40:59):
of stuff. So almost to smoking smoking the bandit kind
of moment.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Oh yeah, you had to be real careful with anywhere
you drove and how you you left your vehicle when
you had to leave to conduct a foot pursuit. We
were chasing a car one night, I believe it was
a stolen car out of another city and my good
friend Steve Hall was the one that was right behind
the guy and they ended up in an apartment complex
(41:28):
over off of East Lancaster and it was one of
those that had the brick pillars and it was just
wide enough for a car. And I was riding with
a partner that night, and as we came down the
backstreet to where they had gone, we see a police
car up on the with its back end up on
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the curb. And we pull in and we see the
suspect vehicle because it had hit the building. The guy
had bailed out and run and we can't find Steve anywhere,
and we're calling out and he goes, oh, I caught him.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
I caught him.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
And he comes walking back with this big grin on
his face because he had chased this guy down, and
you know, he was really happy about it. And as
he got closer to us, his expression changed and then
he looked at that looked at me, and he goes,
where's my car? I said, is that out there out
there on the street. And he had thought he put
(42:24):
it in park, but he didn't go quite far enough,
so it was in reverse. And I don't know how
that car backed itself up out the driveway and between
those two pillars without hitting anything, and it was up
on a shrub is the only reason it didn't damage
the car. But just the look on his face when
he realized his car wasn't there anymore, was priced.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Ah lucky he couldn't He could never replicate that.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
You couldn't have You couldn't have driven it backwards. I
would have hit something. Of course I hit a lot
of things when in my career driving.
Speaker 5 (42:54):
So at least he didn't run himself over.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
I've seen that too.
Speaker 5 (42:59):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah, we uh shout out to Stan Davies again for
running himself over with his own car. Check out the episode, guys.
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We've got Captain Robin kraus Forth Police Department. Now, if
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try to get a check to the surviving family members
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I say unfortunately, but it's unfortunately. I've had the honor
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you know, transferring last year, was for Sergeant Billy Randolf
of the Fort Worth Police Department. And I actually delivered
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that check to you, Robin, you did yes at the
fourth Police Officers Association headquarters and then you made sure
that it got to uh got to Billy's spouse.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah, And I was I was more than humbled to
be able to participate in that. And what a great organization.
I'm glad that it's lived on. It was it was
one of those things that is from somebody you never
expected it to come from. And the fact that he
took such ownership over taking care of families have fallen
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officers and fallen first responders. So it was again, it
was an honor to be to be able to help with.
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That, and that's you know, that's one thing the association
lives on through their current board. But none of it
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we think all the folks that have donated to the
Listeners Foundation over the years, you know, it's just it's remarkable.
It is. It's a shame that there has to be
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something like that out there, but it's a blessing that there,
absolutely is.
Speaker 6 (47:10):
It's definitely a blessing for the families for the immediate time.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
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as we were going into break on the last segment,
you you were reminded of another story and we had
(49:24):
to tap the brakes on it. But we're gonna let
you bring that, bring that forward here and set that
story free for us. You be you know again it
involved another foot pursuit. Yes, it kind of combined the
theme of a foot pursuit and dude, where's my card of.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
Sort of let us have it.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Back in the in the again in the eighties and
a lot of time fort Worth was jumping in the
eighties and I was fortunate to work as a rookie
during that time on the East Side, and we had
a section of town over off of Riverside and Berry
that had three urge department complex is just mashed together.
A lot of time spending there, a lot of activity
(50:06):
and one of the officers I worked with was Puerto
Rican by birth, and he came to Texas and he
became a Fort Worth officer. But he had a real
heavy accent. Who's a dual citizenship officer, And he was
very enjoyable because very heavy accent, and when he'd get excited,
he would revert to speaking Spanish over the radio, so
(50:26):
you knew when things were really going crazy. But he
got a call in that complex one night about some
kids damaging property and as he pulled into the complex,
they ran from him and I heard him calling out
in a foot pursuit, and then later he asked for
a supervisor. Well, yeah, you don't know what happened there.
So I was curious, and when he came back to
the sector after the shift was over, I asked him
(50:47):
in the row call room and said, Hey, what happened
out there? He asked for a supervisor and he said, oh, man,
I pulled into the complex and I see them standing
there and they start to run across the playground and
I jump out and I'm chasing them because I'm running
and I'm running and I'm looking at police car's going
by me and I looked down and it was my car.
Speaker 9 (51:08):
And I said, geez, what did you do? And he goes,
I ran along beside it and pulled the door open,
and I'm trying to stop it, and into it, I
hit a tree. That's exactly how he said. It was
just he was so crushed. But yeah, so's his car.
Oh yeah, always put it in part.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
After that, we called himlstopa.
Speaker 3 (51:30):
He was. He was a great guy.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
But did he catch the people he was chasing?
Speaker 3 (51:36):
No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Uh. I think he shifted his focus to the fact
that he was lucky he didn't get run over by
his car, But then he was very, very sad that
he had hit a tree.
Speaker 4 (51:48):
I can almost see that moment too. And you look
over and you're like, oh, look, the Calvary's ear here
to help me, and like, hey, who's driving a car along?
Speaker 5 (51:54):
And you're looking and you're looking, and you're.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Like, I'm my own cavalry. I mean, that's not unlike
being a canine officer. You know, you hit the button
and the door kicks open, your dog comes running to
help you out. This time he just hit the button.
His cards came running to help you out. One night rider,
I promise you all right, guys, that's what we got
for today's show. Robin, it's been pleasure for having you
(52:18):
in the studio. Thanks for coming on, Sirk you it's
been a pleasure being here. I appreciate it. Guys, until
next time, keep it real, keep it funny, stay safe,
and watch each other six
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