Alane Hathaway: A Conduit to Find Your Clarity and Divine Possibilities

Air Date 07 July 2025

Alane Hathaway has more than twenty years of experience helping reconnect people to their intuition and capacity for joy, fulfillment, and achievement. Using Tarot readings, Celestial and Angelic Magic, Folk Magic, and energy management practices, she guides people to awaken and maximize their personal power, clarity, and decision-making skills. She helps people heal from trauma and limiting beliefs and align with their true purpose.

Her website is https://www.attherisingmoon.com/, and her podcast is Logical Magic: Examining Esoterica, https://logicalmagic.buzzsprout.com/.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to the Perfect Life Awakening Show, hosted by Royce Morales.
Royce has been a transformational facilitator, teaching groundbreaking spiritually based
courses for more than four decades. She is the author
of three books about her teachings. Join Royce as she
takes you on a journey into how to live your
best life and find your true purpose through discovering the

(00:31):
origins of subconscious, disempowering notions and releasing them. She talks
with experts and inspiring people just like you who learned
to trust their intuitive inner wisdom, which led to life
changing shifts. Today, her guests live in empowered existence and
are helping change the world to a higher consciousness place

(00:52):
based on truth and love. You deserve to awaken to
align with and embody your true self and live a
life filled with love. Transform yourself from triggered to empowered
and create your perfect life. Here is your host, Royce Morales.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Welcome, Thank you all for being here. As always, I'm
excited that you're here, and if you have any questions
or messages you'd like to ask us, there's a little
way that you can do that if you're watching live.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Excuse me.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Anyway, So I want to just tell you guys a
couple of things before we get started. First of all,
I'm really honored that I was invited through Home Times
to hold a little panel discussion. And the title that
came to us because I have three other people working
on this with me, It's all about awakening. So the

(01:55):
title is awakening or remembering haven't we done this before?
So that's what it's about. We're going to talk about
what awakening really is, what it looks like, what it
feels like, are we awakening, are we awakened? And how
do we get there? And some myths that we have
about awakening, because I know I sure have some myths

(02:17):
about that in the beginning of my spiritual journey. The
other thing to remind you guys about is that I
started a new program.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
I've been doing.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Teaching for over four decades. Yeah, I know, I look
like I'm sixteen, but anyway, I've been teaching for a
long time and I find lately that people have a
hard time committing to a ten week or a twenty
week course, and because of that, I'm kind of shifting
how I'm doing things, and I'm offering what I'm calling

(02:51):
elevated Intensives, which is a combination of my teachings as
well as personal guided, transformational, deep inner work. So you
get kind of a two for one deal and find
out about the information, which I think is really important,
and you get to look inside and resolve some of

(03:11):
those triggers and fears and beliefs, get to the roots
the origins of all that stuff that's holding you back.
If you're interested in that, reach out to me Roycemarrales
dot com. You can go on my website find out
all about it. And one more little promo. I do
a sub stack every week and it's called Royce's Ramblings,

(03:32):
and I talk about all kinds of things. You know.
Last week I talked about bumping my head twelve times
on the refrigerator and what I learned from that experience.
So I try to keep it light and funny, that
there's always a deeper message. So with all of that,
I want to introduce my guest, Elaine Hathaway. She is

(03:55):
going to talk about healing, awakening, and aligning with your
troope purpose, which of course are all the things we're
here to do, right at least I think we are.
She is a conduit and I'm going to ask her
what that means to her. She helps people find their
clarity and divine possibilities and has more than twenty years

(04:17):
of experience and she only looks sixteen also of experiencing
helping reconnect people to their intuition and capacity for joy
fulfillment and achievement. She's a naturally gifted psychic and she
uses Taro and other energy practices to guide people to
awaken and maximize their personal power, clarity, decision making skills,

(04:43):
which we all need and she helps. She also helps
people resolve hidden emotional issues, motional damage, and the pain
of trauma that influence them subconsciously by aligning people to
their true purpose, which again is why we're and her
work with tarot goes beyond just predictive things. So I

(05:07):
think that's really important that I'd like to find out
more about. So welcome, Elaine. I'm so glad you're here.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Hirose, it's really good to talk to you again. And
I'm really excited about the topic because so many people
have trauma in their lives that they haven't acknowledge and
they don't understand the obstacles that it's presenting in their
journey towards alignment, connection, purpose, and manifestation because the law
of attraction can also be blocked by unhealed wounds, and
so that kind of feeds into the life purpose concept

(05:36):
of there are three parts to your life's purpose. And
I did a full podcast on it of myself that
I'm going to go into it briefly, if that's okay with.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
You, Yeah, oh, absolutely, yes, awesome.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
So the very first thing that we all have in common,
because two of our life's purposes we all have in common,
and one of them is first cheft heal your stuff.
Some people refer to it as inner child healings. Some
people like me I refer to it as formative damage.
These are the parts of you that were injured during
your growing up experience, through your socialization experience that caused

(06:07):
you to have a view of yourself that is imposed
upon you, usually by others, sometimes by abusers, sometimes by
parental neglect, sometimes by bullying. These things stay with us,
and no matter what age you are, you can still
be being held back by the false vision of you
that was imprinted through those experiences. So I did about

(06:27):
two years worth of episodes on how to do that
work and then started this year doing some more on
how when you're empowered, when you're healed or empowered, when
you get rid of those obstacles that blocking pain because
we defend it with our ego, and in order to
be in alignment and to find our purpose, we have
to be able to achieve ego death versus a balance
with the authentic self and an episode coming out on

(06:50):
that scene and why is that important? You actually need
to retain parts of your ego because it is part
of you that found out to soothe and how to
connect to your inner world first, So ego death is
not meant to be absolute, but ego death is meant
to be something that we step into whenever we encounter
something that we haven't fully learned a lesson on. Because

(07:11):
we understand rama as rewards or punishment, what kind of
is our lessons about how we continue to evolve towards
our our selves? So the first purpose is failure stuff.
And I wish that there was more emphasis in the
spiritual community about how difficult that journey can be because
a lot of people in active pain don't find that

(07:33):
meditation and all the things that we teach work for
them because they're in pain, which makes you focus so
much on your inner world and you get stuck in
the why stage, which is a completely natural and normal
part questioning why did this happen to me? And then
as you learn and learn more about what it did
to you, you become more self loving and more self accepting,

(07:55):
and then you're able to step into your power and
begin to search for the next part of the life's purpose,
because we're supposed to have a work life balance in
our life's purpose as well. The next life's purpose is
finding your joy, what really lights you up, what connects
you to delight, because that's your closest connection to the wine.
And then the next part of it is finding your purpose,

(08:15):
which too many people confuse the word purpose and profession
and they are not synonymous terms. Sometimes your purpose in
your profession lawline. Sometimes they won't. And sometimes your purpose
may seem completely inconsequential to another person. It could be
like I really mastered organization within this lifetime because that

(08:36):
was the lesson my soul really wanted to concentrate when
and work here. And that's part of your purpose is
why did your soul come here? And not everybody is
on the same path, and not everybody resonates with the
same answers, So understand that part as well, is that
it is perfectly permissible within spirituality. Take parts of lessons
that you learn from various mentors and various teachers and

(08:59):
put together your own understanding of self because you're a unique,
divine soul and you may have answers that come from
different and disparate teachers. But we're so lucky in that
all of this information is so readily available to us.
But if you're stuck in the healing face, no, there's
a way out, and it's not the end of the journey,
and you can feel better and no matter what's happened

(09:21):
to you, you can heal. Because I help deep trauma
survivors because I am one. I'm a survivor of all
kinds of abuse. And it wasn't just in my childhood.
It affected the partners that I chose as well, it
affected who I was. Healing sets you free and allows
you to be happy at a level that you haven't
experienced if you haven't been healed yet, if you haven't

(09:42):
healed yourself, because you have the power to do it.
Your connection to happiness is it's fleeting, and it's not
easy to achieve, and there's always the sense of fear
of what you're going to lose at the bottom of it.
And when you get healed, you understand some things may
come and go, but that's even more reason to appreciate
them while we're here. And what we're really all trying

(10:03):
to do on this journey is find a way to
be happy and to be peaceful, and to be connected
and to have belief and faith and self when so
many of our power structures are crumbling and letting us down,
causing people to turn away from them understandably. So you
have to turn within and understand that your connection to
the divine is in your hands. You're the person with
the power, you're the person with the connection, and you

(10:25):
have gifts and you can't find your gifts until you
feal to trauma. And so that's the first stage of it.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, lots of questions for you. The first one is,
this is based on my own personal experience of healing.
I had no idea I needed healing.

Speaker 3 (10:42):
I was fine.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
You know, my family nobody abused me, my parents weren't alcoholics.
I had a normal middle class upbringing. You know, everything
was fine, I thought until one day I realized, oh,
I am just like holding back all of this stuff
and my anger, and you know, my life wasn't working

(11:05):
and all of that. So how do you Is there
a way that you have found that you can help
bridge people to get to that point or do they
just have to get there naturally organic?

Speaker 3 (11:16):
That's you had mentioned. I use tara for something beyond
predictive terror. I did predictive terwer as well. It's fun.
I like it. When you're healed, you don't want as
many answers because usually people are using taro to assuage
their anxiety about well, what's coming, or sometimes to give
them a raising to hang on, And that's there are
legitimate uses. But there's another use for taro that allows

(11:36):
you to look within a person's subconscious world and into
their past as much as you live in to look
into their future. And you brought up something really important
somebody like me who like it's there was a glaring
bonfire of trauma fire over there. I wasn't going to
get to ignore that. I did not come from a
functional place. I made a functional life. It took a while,
and it took a lot of healing. It took a

(11:57):
lot of self education. But that doesn't But I got
lucky in that because I couldn't ignore it. What you're
describing is what most people go through is going but
I didn't like I wasn't a child soldier in Nigeria,
I wasn't abducted off the street store. I really have trauma.
You only ever live your experience, and trauma is part
of the formation of the shadow self, which is from

(12:19):
young in psychology, but it also has a spiritual basis.
I do something called psycho spirituality, which does not sound good,
but it's just psychology informed spirituality. And you do have something.
You do have something because we were all programmed to
view ourselves a specific way and ask to inhabit these
pictures within our lives. Get your college degree, have this

(12:40):
particular career, or have this particular family, and you will
be happy. But there may be something that you are
carrying forward in generational trauma. There may be something that
you're carrying forward in generational curses as well. You and
I were having a discussion about the area that I
live in and how there's a Schumash churtse on this
particular area. Well justified one. Other things can impact you

(13:01):
when I look into your trauma world, what I see
is the fears that you have about yourself. That's your trauma. Fear, anger, greed, envy,
all of these things are based in trauma. If you
struggle with parts of yourself that you don't particularly like,
and everybody does like. That's the secret that's not often
talked about is literally everybody you pass is struggling with

(13:23):
a part of themselves that they're like, that's not my
favorite part. We are all learned to mask those parts
of ourselves, and that's your trauma. Is being able to
look at that part of yourself and say, hey, that
which makes me awesome can also make me suck a
little bit. Like if you've got a lot of willpower,
you've got a lot of power within you. You might be
stubborn and unreasonable, sometimes achieve ego death. You step outside

(13:45):
of that, you are able to heal your stuff and
you go, oh, I'm being stubborn, I'm digging in my heels.
I'm because stubbornness is just your own willpower, which is
your ability to manifest your ability to do magic turned
against you or forming your own barrier towards movement forward
with it everybody's got something. It's not a contest. If

(14:07):
you had a great childhood, if you're like, no, I
really did, I had a good formative experience, there's something
if you are not manifesting the life that you want,
connecting at the level that you want, if you don't
know what your purpose is, if you feel a little
bit lost still, there's something you need to heal, and
we have tools that can look into that. You're not
on your own. You don't just have to sit down
and say, Gods, come and help me. There are so

(14:30):
many people within spirituality who can help you with that path.
And I call myself a crossroads guide because that is
exactly what happens when you're on a spiritual journey. You
come to a crossroads and you can choose one path
or another or many others. There's not just two choices.
And what you're trying to choose on a spiritual path,
connection to purpose is the path that leads you to

(14:51):
your highest self, to your connection to whatever you might
your higher power might be. And be prepared that, because
you are a unique soul, everybody else and their answers
might differ from yours, and that is absolutely okay. Our
beliefs are right for us. We're not in competition with
each other, and particularly people who identify as women. In
this particular world, you we're taught to view ourselves with

(15:14):
a hypercritical eye. Most women take a look at a
photograph of themselves and go, oh, that.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Was I'm wearing that.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
We're schooled, we're programmed to do that. That's a trauma
wound because it keeps you from ever achieving a sense
of confidence, a sense of purpose. It's not about thinking
you're perfect in everything that you do. It's about accepting
all parts of you and loving that part. And I
help people who have a form of neurodivergence that was
formed in trauma as well, and they literally have a

(15:43):
different emotional regulation system response because they were so badly
traumatized as small children. But that's an extreme thing. Everything
exists on a spectrum, and if somebody is over here
and you're over here, that doesn't mean they need more
help than you do. It means you need more help
finding answer because a little bit when you're overall content
within your life, but it's harder to find it's harder

(16:06):
to find the what is it that I'm not recognizing?
I have one the other day that was really really
important to me. I am pretty active. I mean that's
a little bit of an understatement. I like to be active.
I like to lift weights, I like to hike. I
spill off a lot of my personal energy doing these things.
I was out on a hike. I was contemplating, I
wonder when things are going to get easier. And as

(16:28):
I was doing that, I took I was about to
take a left hand turn onto a bike trail that
I've literally never seen anybody else hiking up that I
usually hike up as I'm reciting Verse so that I
can challenge my cardio system even more. And as my
foot hit the trail, it finally clicked in my head,
Oh my god, I'm the person choosing the challenge. I'm
the one doing this. If you want an easier path,

(16:51):
start finding your path. If you want to be in flow,
start doing the least that you can do to keep
yourself in shape instead of constantly being in a competition
with myself to be more and more and more in shape.
And that's an example of these little things that are
within us that if I hadn't been literally trying to
connect to my guides at that moment. I have been

(17:13):
doing that for years, always increasing the difficulty level of
my workouts, always increasing the length of my hikes, and
it did not click with me. Even though I do
this for a living and I am constantly connected. I'm
choosing challenge. It starts with you. Everything that you're trying
to do starts with you. I needed to start choosing

(17:33):
an easier path. Billa said, We're not in a competition,
and if you have a great life, that just means
that your work will go more quickly and you will
be able to connect. I recognize that part of yourself
when it comes back, because it's not going away. It
is essentially a connection to this earthly self. You'd ask
what a con dou it was. It's about being a

(17:54):
divine vessel for information for other people. It's a form
of channeling, but it usually involves a healing archangel. Mine
happens to be Gabriel, which is the information one A
lot of dealers have, Raphael, which is about your heart space.
Mine is about your mental space. Partially because even though
I'm not the biggest follower of astrology, I'm Aquarius rising,

(18:15):
and if you look at Taurus with Aquarius rising, and
what the personality is going to be. It's literally the
story of me, and it really can be amazing how
getting this information from different sources can start you putting
your puzzle together in a shape that makes sense for
your authentic self rather than the societal, the imposed self
that we're all encouraged to pursue.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah, wow, Okay, again more questions. One little comment I
wanted to make when you were talking about finding your purpose.
I find that a lot of people think that it
has to be this big monumental I've found the cure
for cancer, you know, I saved the whales. I mean,

(18:58):
whatever big notion we have about our purpose, it really
doesn't have to be that way. It can be. I
always use this silly example, and I'm actually living with
an example of this. It can be a really conscious,
garbage disposed garbage man garbage.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
I've used the same example. I use the exactly.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, and I have one right now. It's it's really interesting.
I've gone through several up here, and all of a sudden,
there's this one guy and he keeps saying hi to me,
and he keeps doing out of the ordinary favors for me,
you know, So it's that kind of a thing, that
it could be something so small. You know, it's just
how you define it and how you feel about it.

(19:40):
So yeah, I just wanted to mention that the other question.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Super super important because that's exactly what we're talking about,
was societal programming. If you think that your purpose has
to be feeding all hungry people, are clothing all people,
that is a noble purpose. But what is far more
likely is that you make this small differences in the
global and the universal collective that we have that allow
that energy to flourish, because no purpose is more important

(20:07):
than the other. Your garbage one. Being a great person
who elevates everybody's energy around him is living in a
divine energy and performing a divine purpose. And your divine
purpose might be always being kind to service people because
they get thumped on all the time, and that's also
a noble purpose. We're not in competition within each other,

(20:28):
And there is no insignificant or inconsequential answer in what
amounts to a spiritual ecosystem where everybody has a role
to play, but everybody's the lead of their.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
Own particular story. Yeah, that's very true. So what about
and I want to get into this a little bit
more maybe after the break. But you talk about helping
people and the various energetic and terror and all those
things that you do. How does that does that actually

(21:00):
work in terms of helping people?

Speaker 2 (21:02):
What does that do.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Well? What I do is I will look. I can
see people's chakras through my cards. I can see the
damage that was done to them. I can see different
life events, and so first of all, you connect the
dots for them. It's like, if you get hyper anxious
around anything new, you might have been overly punished for
making a mistake. That's a pretty good example. And so
that when you're approaching something new, you give yourself more grace,

(21:27):
more space, your anxiety level starts going down. Your anxiety
is no longer blocking energy. Then the other thing is
is that again we live in the time of free resources.
I connect people to the various healing recordings. There's reikie,
there's chakra healings. There's almost every form of healing available
to you that you can do at your own self
taught level if you wish to. If you're somebody that

(21:50):
learns best from somebody else, that's cool. If you're somebody
who's learns best by studying for yourself. That's cool as well.
But what it does is allow you to see yourself
without judgment. And when you see yourself without judgment, because
almost everything we do is a result of something that happened.
Almost everything we do that we're not like, super like,
yay me is usually a result of something that happened.

(22:12):
One of the most stunning things about all the research
that I've done is finding that absolutely everything I ever
struggled with is actually a predictable result of how much
childhood trauma I had. I was literally in a behavioral pattern.
While I thought I was stumbling along, it was a
predictable pattern. And when you can understand your predictable patterns,
because well, you can break them. And when you are

(22:34):
breaking your cycles, you were moving out into an ever
exponentially growing circle of empowerment. So what it does is
you look in there and it allows you to accept
the part of yourself that you might have been turning
away from, to gather that part of yourself to you.
One of the things that happens to us is our
power is stolen from all of these little experiences, even

(22:55):
if they're tiny, as so, for instance, you can have
like an experience where one day you felt really good
Why and through them all you're a teenager. You love
your outfit. You pass by a group of other people
and they make U snide comment and it dings yourself
image and so that you're less you're more reluctant. You're
reticent going forward to ever feel good about yourself. You
can find the origin of most of the things that

(23:17):
you struggle with if you're willing to look into your
subconscious world. But we all need That's one of the
areas where you usually need another person because denial is
a protective construct, and so we're all in denial about
our stuff until we're willing to look at it. And
our guides speak and being a conduit as talk to
other people's guides and they help me understand what that
person is struggling with. Once you have surmounted your obstacles,

(23:40):
overcome your struggles, you are a more powerful and a
more connected version of yourself. And when you are part
of the way, you can tell I might still have
something to heal. Is that when you're living in your purpose,
you feel joyful and connected. It energizes you, It doesn't
drain you. If you're still feeling anxiety. If you're still
feeling anger, if you have some to heal, and it

(24:01):
might be simply through the constant application of different energy healings.
That again, they're available free. Now there are practitioners who
do it and they're great. But if you're struggling with
your finances, because some things that can block out wealth
have to do with our energy centers within. If you're
struggling with that, there are free resources to do that.
The best things about spiritual healing is it doesn't rely

(24:22):
on having blue cross blue shield. You can find your
resources if you start reaching out ask for guidance. That's
the thing to do is sit down. You don't have
to meditate. If you can't meditate because you can't focus it,
what you do is you sit down with something pleasant
paying in the background, and you simply speak to the universe.
You can speak aloud, and I encourage people to speak

(24:43):
something aloud because it speaks it into existence. Call out
to your guide, your guidiance, your ancestors, and your angels.
Bring me what I need to fulfill my purpose, Show
me who I need to go to to help me
perforform my purpose, help me find my purpose. I did
that for a full year thirteen years ago, and my
whole life kind of blew up a little bit and
shoved me into a completely different state, I mean actual

(25:05):
geographic state to align with some perfect timing. And that's
the other thing is is that wherever you are in
your journey, if you feel called to this, it's the
right time for you. Some people won't find their purpose
to larity five years old, and that's absolutely fine. We're
here on a journey that teaches us more and more.
And if you can look at your life as a

(25:26):
beautiful story that you are reading and understand that you
are also writing it, you'll be empowered looking at using terror,
using oracle cards. I hold that to it really rigorous standard.
I think you need a break on this. By the way,
I just lived at the clock. I hold it to
a rigorous standard of making sure that I use multiple
decks so they're all saying the same thing, because reader

(25:47):
imposed structure is one of the things I fear the most.
I don't want me telling you what to do. I
want to make sure it's your guys.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah, So when you say when you said it helps
people to connect the dots, you know, I find that
it's one thing to know it intellectually. It's like, oh,
yeah I was abused, and yeah my mother was judgmental
and blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
But it's another thing to.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Release that and shift the pattern from a real place
rather than having to acted out. Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Oh? Absolutely, Actually that's call that actually has to do
with trauma. Trauma causes emotional numbing, and you will come
to an intellectual and logical understanding before you process the
feelings around that and expect some like you know, rough
seas around that. It passes, it gets worse and worse.
You find yourself energized after You're like, I had to
cry over that, but it lasted five minutes instead of

(26:41):
three hours, and feel like I was going to die.
I felt like I was five feet taller by the
time I was done. You do get the knowledge comes
first because it's less threatening to your feeling of safety.
That is why we receive it in an unemotional state.
You receive the information and then you get the tools
to work with your emotional world, which has to be
treated gently.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, Well let's take a break and I'm talking to
Elaine Halthaway and we're talking about all kinds of things,
healing awakening, aligning with your true purpose and we will
be right back.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Home.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
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Speaker 2 (29:47):
I'm talking with Oline Hathaway. Very interesting discussion about discovering
your purpose and all the trauma that gets to the
way of all of that. You know, we kind of
just jumped in to our discussion, but I never really
asked you how did you get started with doing well that?
You do? Tell us your story?

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Okay, so, like I really do go into my backstory
on a bunch of different things, but like the brief
version is I came from a remarkably abusive household, My
first memory is my parents trying to kill each other,
and they really would have gone to jail if it
had been in this particular time and place. But so
I came from the story disrupted household. My mother left,

(30:28):
she took my brother with me. I stayed with my dad,
who is mostly absent. He was in Washington, d c.
Teaching the Georgetown Institute of Strategic and International Studies, and
so he was gone a lot, and I was at
home with my alncolic grandmother. And this is important because
she set the house on fire. I laughed sometimes when
I'm talking about really really traumatic things, because it's a

(30:51):
trauma response. So if you know, it's not that I
think it's funny, it's just that it still remains a
little hard for me to talk about sometimes. When I
was twelve years old, she set the house on fire
while I was asleep in a room down the hall.
For me, it was a very large house. She got
up from that room and she went to the room
underneath mine. It was an eight bedroom house. It was
a giant, giant house. It was almost entirely empty. It

(31:11):
was creepy. Why because my mother had insisted on buying it.
There was no reason that we meet that house. So
I woke up to the house being on fire, but
something actually woke me up. I was having a dream,
and I dreamed that someone was smoking a cigar and
blowing smoke into my face. But I was really deeply
asleep and I was just trying to like burrow in
and I heard someone say, Elane, get up, Eline, get up. Alane,

(31:34):
you have to get up. And then I kept saying
no in my dream and trying to go back to sleep.
And then it felt like something grappy by my shoulder
and basically threw me to the floor and said, Alane,
get up. The house is on fire. And the house
was on fire, and so that was the and like
I went and called the fire department, and it was
quite seen, and it was a dramatic and traumatic event

(31:56):
and it did not stand alone, and it was I
had a chaotic childhood. And I didn't talk to people
about that for a long time, because even at twelve,
I was like, well, I don't think I probably should
have been here in a voice a whe I'm feeling
something practically throwing me across the room to wipe me up.
So I didn't talk about that for years. But I
was very interested in magic because of that, and so
I did a lot of studying around magic. And I

(32:18):
do a form of candle magic, in celestial and angelic magic,
which is related to theosophy, and so I started studying
that my teens. My dad died when I was a
couple weeks before my sixteenth birthday, and I went to
live with my mother, who I was very very angry with,
and so I was studying magic. I was doing magic
in college. My college roommate and I started screwing around

(32:39):
with Taro, and that's when I started to notice that
I could do really odd things, like I could see
things that I wasn't supposed to do. I kind of
put that on a back burner for a long time
and just sporadically did I will be frankly honest, money
spells mostly throughout my twenties. I had a car accident
when I was twenty seven that handed me in a
wheelchair for four months because I had opposite side breaks.

(33:02):
So I'm in the hospital. It is actually two days
before Christmas, and I'm not happy because I really like
there's a lot to this story. I've had a lot
of trauma and it really I was in that stage
of why in the world are you doing this to me?
I actually try to be a decent person. And I'm
lying in the hospital bed and I here a guy
cursing his head off, and the only people in the
orthopedic unit on the couple of days before Christmas are

(33:25):
people who have had accidents, because no surgeons are like, yes,
let's schedule you for Christmas eve. That doesn't happen unless
it's an emergency. So everybody in there is not happy
to be there. It's a short staff, and the woman
walks in as I'm kind of the nurse walks in
as I'm sitting there going, why are you doing this
to me? Why do you hate me? I've had a
lot of bad things happen because I've had people dropping

(33:47):
dead and fires and floods and accidents, and it really
was a little bit like a biblical plague. And as
this nurse walks in, I'm really not in my best energy.
And I said, what is his pro because this guy
is swearing and swearing and swearing, and she says to me, oh,
that is a young man in his early thirties. He

(34:08):
went out to play rugby with a group of friends.
He fell wrong, he broke his neck, and he is
now a quadriplegic. He's paralyzed from the chest now, so
we try to cut him some slack. It was like
a bucket of ice water in the face, going, you're
so lucky. You have some broken bones, you didn't cut
your face, you didn't cut any part of you. Everything's

(34:30):
going to heal. Something really protected you in what was
a head on collision for me, somebody turned right in
front of my face. I didn't stand a prayer, and
I didn't have an airbag in particular at that particular time,
and so it occurred to me he said, why don't
I go through a newfield? And it finally turned everything
around to understanding that voice and that thing, because it

(34:50):
wasn't the only time it happened. It is not an
exterior voice. It is not It's a very very strange
thing to try and convey what it is. But that's
what conduisity feels like. Is something comes to you you
know it's exteriorced yourself. It's incredibly well meaning. You'll feel
like you've had about four cups of coffee, but there's
no jeneratiness. It's just this very very pure energy, and

(35:10):
I felt that. Then it started turning my entire life
around because I started to understand I can heal from
absolutely everything that has happened to me, and realistically, even
though I came from crap circumstances, I've got a lot
of really good things out of that. And so I
started to develop magic more and more. And I married
someone who I shouldn't have. It was part of a

(35:32):
journey on understanding my own stuff and how like energy
attracts like energy. And I was married to him for
a long time and he was afraid of magic and Tara,
and so I didn't do it. I didn't do it
in a way that he knew I was doing it.
I still kind of did it on the sly a
little bit, because it's just a part of who I am.
When we parted ways, I started doing this professionally. And

(35:52):
as it started to happen, I realized I was looking
in people's cards because they could be asking me about
future events and I could see their childhood and I'd
start describing, you do this, you do that, Your stomach
is bothering you. It's because of this. Your mother was
super super hard on you. She was a perfectionist, but
she's a nurcisist because she's taking out herself loathing on you.

(36:13):
And people would start crying because they were startled that
AI was doing that, and so it was I. It
realized it was showing me their interior world. Like in
that crossroad space, I was looking at somebody else's darkness
and being able to shine a light around in there
and going, we need to tell that, we need to
tell that, let's work on that. People connect to that,

(36:34):
because what I helped connect people to is their ancestral magic.
We all have guides, guardians, ancestors, and angels. You want
to connect to your ancestors because they knew how to
do almost everything that we don't. They knew how to survive.
I'm not talking about the people on ancestry dot com.
I am talking about the people who existed long before

(36:54):
we had even one modern convenience, who knew how to
sustain themselves through the winter, who knew how this is
saying themselves, how to connect beyond. We have methods to
be able to heal enough to connect to that universal knowledge,
which is the same thing as connecting to your universal magic.
And it's a very important thing to do during troubled
times because all of those difficulties from the past are resolved.

(37:18):
That is why when you reach back, you can get
the energy that is positive that connects you to empowerment
rather than to the power struggles that exist within every
time period. So I started doing this because of trauma
and weird events and something interceding on my behalf. Because
the only guiding influences I had in my life were

(37:38):
a really really liberal Episcopal church. And then I was
sent to Quaker farm camp by my alcoholic grandmother for
about five years in a row. She saved up like
a miser for all year in order to get rid
of me for the summer. And I don't blame her
for that, Like she she made it known very frequently
that I was an obligation that she was fulfilling. She
took care of me like I was a cat, and

(37:59):
that is a okay everything. You can heal from anything,
and I did heal from that. But my positive influences
were this really really liberal church that actually as acted
like they were, you know, trying to embody the teachings
of Christ rather than you know, beat people over the
head with them. And then I went to the Quaker
farm camp where they don't talk about their beliefs, they
live them. And it was the only really formative guidance

(38:22):
I got in my life. So it makes sense that
the first thing I connected to was an archangel. I
even lived next to a church and everything you could
see giant stained glass windows outside of my home. It's
no longer there. They tore down the church, not that
that long ago, but it is one of the looming
presences in my life. We connect to what we try

(38:42):
to connect to first, and I just have them to
try and connect to celestial and angelic sources. And that
is another thing is that there are different life paths.
Some people will come here on a very purposeful path.
When we talked about there being no lesser purpose, you
might be living a lifetime where are you are experiencing
the purpose of industry. There are life purposes that do

(39:05):
have to do with High Ho, High Ho. It is
your unique path, and that's what we do with looking
into this is finding out what's your best path in
this particular lifetime, what's your mission? What is the curriculum
that you're trying to fulfill the lessons on in this
particular life that you then take back to the collective,
and there is no such thing as a lesser purpose.

(39:25):
There are ones that guide you into dark paths like
greed and capitalism a couple of other things, but there
are lessons to be learned there about how we can
treat another person when we have all the power. The
saying is that you know, true good character does not
exist in how we treat those we like. Your character
is revealed in how you treat those who cannot do

(39:46):
anything for you or you do not like. And so
it's a process of accept that if you haven't gotten
everything right up until now, that's okay, that's okay, we're
all You come to your answers when you're meant to
the moral power you have the later you might come
to it in life because of that's stubbornness. That ability
to keep going and overcome. Also is the thing that

(40:08):
has you have your armored tank on. The process that
I go through with my clients, I think you go
with your clients through as well, is saying get out
of the tank. You're safe here. Nothing's going to be
judging you here. I don't work with things that judge.
I work with things that help.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
And what about people that resist that information. I mean,
you can lay it all out and show them and
give them proof, and you give them the timeline and
the ancestors, but they still go, No, not everybody.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
Is here for spiritual purpose. And that's something that people
in the spiritual community have a really hard time with,
is that there is worth in a lifetime that is
very pragmatic. There is worth in a lifetime that all
you're doing is exploring the egos so you can build
your lesson plan for your later experience. That not everybody
has to be on a spiritual path. And if somebody

(40:58):
is rejecting answers, it's either not time and it will
click with them at the right time. They will keep
encountering the same messages or they have a different path
and a different answer within this particular incarnation, and that's fine.
The insistence that everybody is on the same journey causes
a problem because no, we are. You want to look

(41:19):
at yourself as a great, big researcher from the universe
and we're looking into all areas. So if you meet
somebody who's really resistant to that, then they go on
their way and it will come back to them when
it's meant to, or it might not be meant to,
But you will know when you can connect with your
real answers because you feel it. And having anybody reveal
something to you that you don't even talk about with

(41:41):
another person is usually a pretty good sign that something
is there. Trying to be like, we're trying to help
you with this. We know that we all self sabotage
sometimes because we all get in our own way sometimes,
and sometimes when someone's really resistant, it's because they're not
ready to get stop getting in their own way. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah, and you could be planting seeds too, right when
the soil is fertile, the seeds will sprout exactly.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
I had people telling me I had this purpose. I
had somebody funding when I was like thirty two years old,
might have been thirty five. His name was Mario, which
I still dig so much because he was a shaman
and just cracked me up. Mario the shaman at the
time who came to me. He was introduced to me
by somebody, and I talked to him multiple times and
he kept telling me, you're a shaman, You're supposed to

(42:29):
help young people, but you have to leave your husband first.
And I was like my husband's father had just died,
and I wasn't very happy with him because he's not
behaving well. But I wasn't going to leave somebody whose
dad just died, and so I was like, no, I'm
not leaving my husband, and he's like, you are going
to leave your husband? He was, by the way right,
But like I had people coming to me and telling me,

(42:51):
this is what you are, I didn't come to the
realization that I was psychic. I finally accepted that all
the people that were telling me you are psychic were right,
because I'd be talking to people and they'd be saying,
you know, how are you doing this, just when I
was talking to them without cards. And my reaction to
this day is a little bit like doing what. This
isn't what because it's an innate part of me. If

(43:14):
you connect with people at that level, you forget that
maybe not everybody does you know. And that's another thing,
is that coming to somebody who's a spiritual guidance teacher
or a spiritual leader can help you recognize the ways
that you're already in a purposeful energy, but you reject
it because it doesn't resemble what you think it's supposed
to yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
So you keep using the word magic, tell us what
you mean by that as to what your definition of
that is.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Magic and manifestation are essentially the same thing. It is
energy manipulation to achieve the results that you want. And
if you look at every major religion, guys, they are
performing magic. Somebody is standing in front of an altar
in performing invocations of that particular divine power. Our belief
systems are largely placed around magic and ceremony. It is

(44:08):
a form of invocation, calling the power to you. When
you do things like cabdle magic, you are focusing your
personal energy into It's essentially a prop but it's to
channel your personal energy into something to achieve a goal.
Scripting and visualization kind of work with that. But there
are forms of magic that bring in a little bit
more oof. It's got a little bit more power. It's

(44:29):
a little bit more instead of being in flow. It's
about creating a passageway. It's like blowing open a hole
and magic. Don't think Harry Potter think of it as
Intuition is a form of magic. Spirituality is a form
of magic. Magic is something that is beyond our current understanding.
But we can see the results of and so magic

(44:52):
and some people might say divine power are the same thing.
Magic is not conjure or witchcraft. Magic in the spiritual
sense is I can channel and funnel universal energy into
the goal of healing, to reveal my purpose, to bring
me the life that I want. And so you have
magic within you. And it's just most people have a

(45:16):
kind of stage hand version of magic. When they think
of magic, they think of people with top hats and monnies.
You have magic within you. If you are a creative person,
you have magic within you. If you're able to recartch,
you have magic within you. And what you're trying to
do is find a way to harness that magic because
your magic is your power. Magic and power are pretty

(45:37):
much synonymous terms. Purpose and profession are not the magic
and power are. Magic is the key to the door
that is empowerment.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
How do you explain to people, because I've had I've
talked to people about our power and our ability and
all of that stuff, but I always make sure to
preface it by saying this is not okay to use
in a minute fulative, Yeah tells.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
About good intent, and you will go through a period
by the way you have to pay your dues in
this world. It will not happen very quickly because you
will be tested on whether or not you can use
a gift within pure intent. Pure intent is going for
our spiritual enlightenment and joining with collective personal manipulation, which
is called emotionally influential. Magic is one of the things

(46:26):
that you're talking about, which can include love spells, which
can include you know, revenge curses. I don't do those.
Those are forms of conjure, and conjure is not magic
to me. It is witchcraft, and witchcraft is it bad? No,
I can do witchcraft. I mostly only do celestial and
angelic magic that connects me to universal powers. But there
are forms of energetic life that we can summon to

(46:49):
us to ask us to do that stuff. That is
what most people think of when we're talking about magic.
I'm talking about the magic of creation and the magic
of the universal divine presence. You can tap into that,
and that is what people are actually manifesting from a
lot of attraction is trying to teach magic without using
the work, right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
So I find that this example just comes to mind
that one of my students years ago, I was talking
about the use of energy in terms of healing ourselves
and attracting what we want. And she looked at me
and she said, well, my grandson plays baseball and I

(47:33):
want him to have a run, a home run, so
I'm sending out energy that he gets a home run.
And I said, well, that's manipulative. Even though your motive
is pure. You want your grandson to have a home run,
but it's still not okay to do. You know. She
couldn't get it. She could not understand. But I love

(47:54):
my grandson, but I really want She couldn't get it.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
How would you explain him that even when you're doing
something positive, interfering with somebody else's path, what comes to
them is the form of interfering in their life. You
would not walk in somebody else's room and read their diary.
If you would you have something to heal, because that's
a boundary issue. We all need a private self like
most of us won't do that. Now. There are, of course,
you know, things like world if you have a team daughter,

(48:17):
and you have to make sure you understand the difference
between dependent people and invasion of another person's energy. We're
not supposed to try and guide somebody else's life without
their permission, and the best the litmus test for should
I do this magic is would you be comfortable if
somebody else did it to you? And when it comes
to love magic, this is the thing that I always like.

(48:39):
People get very upset because they think it's they're not
being told doing love magic is wrong. They're saying it
comes with the karment cost because you are doing something
to someone against their free will. We are not meant
to interfere with another person's free will. Our free will
is that you can do whatever you want for you,
And if you try and do something for somebody else,
you have to have their invitation. And if you don't
have the other invitation and you're an interloper in their world,

(49:02):
you have to have an invitation in somebody else's world
because you really need to stop thinking about it. As
I love this person, I'd be so good for them,
it's like no step up. This is the ego death part.
Ego death in magic is a very important part. Is
there's somebody that you have not noticed, and they are
not somebody you're naturally drawn to, even though you've encountered them.
They're getting ready to do all kinds of magic to

(49:23):
make sure you are drawn to them. You can't resist them.
Are you comfortable with that? Because I'm not. I'm not
comfortable with the idea of somebody roofing my drink in
a bar. And there's a little bit of that when
it comes to when you're desperately trying to make somebody
else fall in love with you, you're trying to roofy
their magic drink, and that doesn't make you a bad person.
Magic is a power that tests you, and we all

(49:46):
struggle with what is appropriate to do. When I talked
about what I did when I was younger having a
lot to do with money, now I do everything having
to do with prosperity, a London spirituality and growth because money, capitalism,
greed feed a darker energy within us. I just want
enough for the things that are important to me, and
focusing on these ego based energies because when you really, really,

(50:10):
really really want somebody to love you, what you should
for your highest self is want them to organically recognize
what's special about you, rather than putting a filter or
a glamor on yourself to be like I want you.
Because once you get what you want through force, there's
always a battle of will, so there'll be this push
and pull energy. But then also you have to hold
that person magically every now and then, every every every

(50:33):
now and then there is an instance where it's like
I just had to see you with new eyes. But
what you can do is, if you really want to
love magic, do love magic to track the best partner
for you. Don't name them, do magic practice all name
don't name them. Don't try and force. If you're trying
to force your will on another person, then that's a
karmic lesson that's going to come back to you in

(50:54):
a reduction of power. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Yeah, back to the baseball example. The other thing I
said to her was, you know, you don't know what
he needs to learn. Maybe he needs to learn to
strike out. And that's so I think maybe that got
to her. But yeah, I said all that other stuff
to her as well.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
But interesting, gratification is not the same thing as emotional fulfillment.
So trying to make him happy with a home run,
it's like, but that would give him a sense of
pride in himself. That if he becomes dependent on only feeling
good about himself when he hits a home run, what
are you going to do be behind him the entire
life going. I'm manifesting a win for you. You're going

(51:39):
to be knocking boots with somebody who's also trying to
manifest something different. All you're going to do is a
cluster clog of different energies. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, So tell us about what you do and your
podcast give us all the information. How do people reach you?
We only have a four more minutes, so well, my name.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Is Elaine Hathaway. You can find me at Atthrisingmoon dot com.
That's the only way to book me. If anybody ever
messages you, it's not me. Every single Taro reader and
spiritual person has somebody who impersonates them online. We don't
reach out. I do not call it CO call you.
You have to reach out to me through at the
Risingmoon dot com. I have a podcast called Logical Magic

(52:23):
Examining Esoterica. It's out the first Thursday of every month,
but that's been for twenty twenty five prior to that,
the two years before that, that help everybody heal from
their trauma and recognize their attachment. Those episodes are weekly
and that was for about two years and then I
have a Patreon that is logical magic examining esoterica. And
I also have a YouTube channel called Taro at the

(52:44):
Rising Moon and there are pick of cards up there.
I don't do as many of those as I used to,
but the video versions of my podcasts are always up
on there, and it's I do a form of life
coaching that helps people connect to what they need to
heal and then tie them into their ability to manifest.
And so one of the things when we're talking about
magic is I'm always trying to help people connect to

(53:06):
their ancestral magic. Through you develop a ritual, you're able
to break it so you have it on demand. There
is a whole process to go through that does not
involve I, I'm a Wigan or there's nothing wrong with that.
By the way, if you're called to a particular form
of belief system that has to do with manifestation or magic,
then that go go. It's for you. You will know
what is right for you, but you can develop your

(53:27):
own and that is the best way to do it
by calling on your ancestral magic because you will not
have any you won't have to pay any dividends or
dues to a greater power structure. So that's why sole
practitioner magic can be one of the best ones. And
again we really are talking about the same thing. Magic
and manifestation are the same thing. They just don't use
the word magic around. Manifestation always kind of cracks me

(53:49):
up because that's really what it is. So that's where
you can find me. And I do life coaching, I
do magic instruction. I obviously do subconscious work with people
as well to identify what's holding them back, what they
need to heal, and what their best path forward is.
And it's really funny for me because my clients will

(54:09):
sometimes have their purpose show up in the first reading.
I'll tell the person and they don't believe me. I
just had that happened with a client. I told her
two years ago what she was given up doing and
she's like, I don't know that. Two weeks ago, I
had a reading with her where she's like, I'm doing
this it's a nonprofit. I'm like, that's exactly what we
talked about two years ago. It just sometimes you will
get an answer and you don't have all the pieces

(54:32):
to the puzzle that make it the right picture for
you yet. And that's one of the things that people
like you and I help do is help provide your
puzzle pieces so you get a clear picture of your
what your path is supposed to look like for you.
And you may have more than one purpose by the way,
you may complete one and then find that there's another.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Yeah, and you didn't say I told you, so you
know what.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
I did not, but I did point out it's like
that's what we talked about, and we were both just
laughing about it shouldn't work a person that's She was like, yeah,
it is, but it takes a while. That's something you
can do. And if you don't believe that about yourself yet,
you have something to heal because literally everybody has a
gift to some kind.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
That is true. Well, thank you so much, Elaine Halfaway.
This was delightful. You have so much to say, and
I'm amazed at how important everything you said was. And
just to remind everybody, We'll be back next Wednesday, same time,
same batstation. Somebody told me that the other day, and
I guess I never watched Batman, so I had no idea.

(55:39):
Thank you so much and follow me on Substack versus
Ramblings and write down August eighth for that panel discussion
about awakening. Thank you all,