Faith Wich – Human Trafficking: Awareness, Empowerment and Transforming the Roots - Perfect Life Awakening

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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Speaker 2 (01:12):
Hello, Welcome everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
I am so.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Glad that you are joining us today because this topic
couldn't be more important and couldn't be more timely with
everything that's going on right now with If you're in
the United States, you know what's going on with all
this Epstein stuff. So I don't think there's anything that's
more horrendous than the notion of human trafficking. I just

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we were talking before we went on the air, and
I was already moved to tears. So I'm warning you
this is an emotional topic. And my guest today is
just phenomenal. She has been involved in this issue for
a long time, and we're going to find out one
of the things that she has to say about it,

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as well as some of the ideas that she has
that could help stop it at the roots, because that's
really what it needs. And again, this topic is just
so bizarre to me that I can't even imagine why
somebody would do it and where it's sourced from. And
I hope that we get into all of that. So

(02:24):
let me introduce my guests that Faith Vich is just amazing.
She is a dedicated advocate in the fight against human trafficking,
working alongside NGOs, international organizations and communities across Europe and Africa.
Right now, she's in Denmark.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
And my daughter's marking. OK.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
I really doesn't want to hear any of this come
home anyway, So hopefully we'll be able to get some
of it out before gg come here, there we go anyway.
She focuses on preventing human trafficking through empowerment projects that

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help build resilience and opportunities for vulnerable populations. And she
has years of experience as a change consultant, caseworker, and
human trafficking consultant. She's pioneered impactful I'm so sorry, pioneered

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impactful social entrepreneurship, women's empowerment initiatives and training programs that
tackle the root causes of trafficking. She's created sustainable paths
for individuals to break free from cycles of exploitation, even
if it's not. Still so much exploitation going on in

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this world, it's just crazy. And she firmly believes that
preventions start it's with empowerment, as it does for all
of us in every way, but especially with this issue.
And when Faith presented the idea of coming on my
show and talking about human trafficking in terms of a
spiritual issue, I thought, Oh my gosh, that just sounds

(04:18):
so intriguing and so beautiful, and I can't wait to
hear what she has to say about that. So welcome, Faith,
I'm so glad.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Well, thank you, so much for having me on, Royce,
thank you for the invitation. It was lovely and it's
really good to be here with all of you today. Now, Royce,
you know that I always enjoy our talks and we've
had some thoughtful and insightful conversations, so it is my
hope that today we will have one as well. Now

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today I'm going to be talking about human trafficking, and
I know that my bio has been shared, so instead
of focusing on me, we're just going to center the
conversation around the people most affected by the issue and
the systems that failed them. If that's okay.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Before we get into that, I would like my viewers
to know a little bit, how did you get involved
in this? What spurred that for you?

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Just I did not. I did not actually seek this journey,
But that would be the whole show, Royce, It literally
would be. But let's just say I had a lot
of experiences which were very strange to me in the beginning,
where people would approach me and just share their problems,

(05:43):
and I did understand what they were describing because it
just didn't make sense to me what they were asking me.
The one who really really was the catalyst was a
Romanian woman in a train in Austria and she was
telling asking me how you know why she's not able

(06:04):
to work? And you know, she's been living in Austria
and she's married to an Austrian and she's lived there
for ten years, and you know she was at that time.
She said she doesn't understand.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
How the system it's not able to process, how work
it perfects? And I said, how long have they been
processing the way for me? And she said it was
seven years? And I said that doesn't sound normal. And
I remember going home and thinking about this. It just

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couldn't need in my mind, and I remember, you.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Know, looking looking it up, and then all these organizations
came back. At that time, I didn't know anything about
human trafficking. I had no clue about what that was,
but I was my prompts were the question she was asking.
I said, what could this be? Because I knew that
was not that was not a normal process. What the
things she was saying made no sense. So I found

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a few organizations and I called them up and then
they educated me on what I had encountered as somebody
somebody who had was possibly been traffic because you know,
there's a process. You have to identify the person as
a victim and a survivor of human trafficking. You just
cannot make assumptions. So luckily this woman had given me

(07:27):
her number. So when I called her back, I told her,
you can call these numbers and these organizations might have
some answers for you regarding your questions. And she did
and every basically she was a victim of human trafficking
within a marriage. Wow. Yes, so that happened, And so

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long story shot, this particular organization at that time, there
were it was just very coincidential, but also very strange.
But they realized that there was a way that people
were approaching me. It was just very strange at that time,
and so they asked if I could help with some casework.
And because the woman, that particular woman said that she

(08:17):
was not going to speak to anybody unless I was present,
and so I said, okay, I could volunteer. Sometimes it
was all strange how I was moving. I didn't I
was using intuition, and so I did, and so it
all went really well, and then things just took shape,
and then I got trained into it. I got the psychosopatics,

(08:40):
psychosocial trainings, and all this stuff, and I couldn't believe
what I was learning. I just couldn't believe what I
was learning and what I was experiencing and what was happening.
And so the very first case that I had was
a woman who was trafficked in a marriage, not the
way the media portrays it as prostitutes or for slave,

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but no, it was actually a woman who was trafficked
within a marriage. So long story short, you know, it
just it Yeah, maybe let's just say it fell in
my love or it was just fate or destiny or
whatever you want to call it. But over the years, yeah,
over the years, it just became a thing that I did.

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And then as time went by, I began to realize
that whenever somebody exits and it survives it and exits
and leaves, they're never the same. The trauma is intense,
the healing journey is a lifetime. The triggers are there,

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and I realized that the solution has to be prevention,
because there is no way that we can count on
people exiting. Also, because when you look at the data
of how many people of the millions and millions of
people who are trafficked relative to the persecutions, meaning those

(10:08):
who get justice and those who exit. It is very minuscule.
So I know, people who work in this field also,
you can tend to be very disheartening because the way
the media shows it is, oh, you know, there was
a raid, it was prostitutes. They make the people look like, oh,
it's you know Miko, you know with the tattoos or

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you know, Johnny with the piercings. That is the traffic
of these bad guys. But that's not really what the
trafficers look like. The profiles vary from somebody in a
nice suit in a nice car with a good job,
could be doctor, teacher, like trafficas are in every profession,
you know, And so there's a mis education in the

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portrayal in the media that this is the person who
you should think is a trafficu But meanwhile, trafficking is
happening all around us. You know. It is happening in
your schools, It is happening in your restaurants, It is
happening in your hotels, it is happening in your hospitals.
It is happening literally everywhere. You know. Somebody recently asked me, yeah,

(11:17):
but faith, where does trafficing happen. And I said, in
your neighborhood, you know, wherever you are, it is happening.
And yeah, they are pairs, you know. Here in Europe
they call them ther pairs. You can call them nannies
and maids or you know, but there are pairs. They
have a program under what is called them a pair,

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and a lot of trafficing happens there, you see. And
so it's not just sexual prostitution that they keep on emphasizing. No,
it is happening in forced labor for men. It happens.
It's a well known fact that it happens in agriculture,
in construction, you know. And let's just face it, illegal

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immigration is a wonderful place for traffickers to recruit and
traffic people because undocumented people are very easy to go
miss it. You know. So when you cheer at undocumented
migrants and you cheer at illegal migrants, I think you
don't recognize what you're looking at. You could be looking

(12:25):
at potential human being who could be trafficked because they
do not have, you know, identify legal documents. Now, yes,
trafficking does happen through even those who travel legally, but
it also happens to those who are illegal. So both

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legal migration and legal and illegal undocumented migration can have
cases where people are trafficked. So it is a complex
It is a complex situation, and I also know it's
a painful topic. But if we are going to be

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real about it, then I think we have to agree
that it is one that argently needs our attention, yes,
and our honesty most of all, and then our action.
And when I say honesty, I mean you literally have
to look at some of the things that you might
do that as subtle that you're not aware of, but

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you are actually participating. Now what do I mean by this?
You might be happy that you got a deal. You know,
you got this five dollar dress. Now you have to
ask yourself, Okay, what does it take to make a dress? Fabric?
Before it became a fabric, it was a cotton. It

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was raw material. It was a cotton, it was silk,
it was something. So it was processed. Right, So this
fabric was processed and then it was through a period
of the fabric the material was transported. It was it
was harvested, processed, transported, made into a fabric and then made.

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There were patterns involved. Someone made the partons there was
a garment, you know, that was made using some form
of machinery and some form of labor. Once this was done,
for the dress to reach you where you are, or
you to reach your favorite shop, there was a vehicle involved,
some fuel, some type, somebody's time and transportation. Now that

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dress has reached the store, and that person running the
store has to pay rent for the store, has to
pay their workers, and has to pay taxes and all
that goes with running a store. So you have to
ask yourself, how is it that your dress costs five
dollars and the store is still functioning? Yea, so we

(14:58):
have to be conscious. But somewhere along the way there
was some form of overworked, underpaid slave labor. Something happened.
I hope you can see where I'm going with this.
There is no way on earth that this dress costs
five dollars. It does not make any mathematical sense, at
least not from my standpoint. And this is a very

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general example. It's a simple one as well, but it's
just these are the examples I give people because I
like people to think in a practical way because the
legal systems that we are not just legal. Let's just
say the systems that we are seeking to help solve

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this problem are broken. These systems are vulnerable and they're
not There are many reasons why these systems don't work
as effective as they should. It could be also they're inadequate.
It could be lack of real sources, lack of awareness.
There are many issues. There are many underlying issues as

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to why the systems are vulnerable and in some case
they're broken as well. Now I'll give an example of
the legal system why it's a possibility. And I'm overgeneralizing
because each of the topics I'm talking about today, those
are shows in itself. Actually it can be a playlist
if I'm to break it down. But let's take the
legal system for example. The legal system involves the law,

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the legal law under certain sections and mandates and whatever
the legal legalities of the crime committed entails. So you
look at they look at it from that point of view.
The policemen and the police force look at the criminal
aspect of things. Then you have the social workers who
are looking at the human rights aspect and the social

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aspect of things, and the healthcare workers are doing their
healthcare thing. Now, when these systems meet, sometimes they're not
speaking together. They're not speaking well together. Because if the
lawyer can prove that you are an illegal migrant, then
he has proved within the law that you came illegally.

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But from the social aspect of things, the social worker
is trying to tell the legal system that they were
coerced into being an illegal migrant. They did not come
to your country willingly. There was a coercion their family
back home in Yemen or in you know, Nigeria, or

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in the Philippines or in Poland. It's being threatened. Now
I'm just speaking random countries, okay. So they have to
do as they're told. And there's also a debt bondage
attached to it based on other factors, which I won't
go into because it's again a launch, you know, it
would take a very long and lengthy explanation. But they
have a debt bondage, which is a debt that they

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must pay in order for them to be released and
their family to be released. So the social worker is
trying to say, hey, hold on a minute, this is
a human rights violation. This person was coerst and they
have been exploited and the human rights have been violated,
and the court is saying, yeah, but they did come
to this country illegally and they broke the law. So

(18:16):
is it true that they kept the country I legally, Yes,
it's true. Okay, so you broke the law and the
social work, I say no, But that's not the entirety
of the story. The police here is now saying, okay,
so we have a criminal here. Now we are going
to criminalize them and put them in prison because they
broke the law. So who is to blame here? You
see these three systems and the other systems. Of course

(18:39):
I just picked the three main ones, but there are
other systems, their healthcare systems, there are others that are involved,
and they have to be able to speak one language.
The legal system should understand that they're looking at somebody
who has been violated, human rights have violated, and they're

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also looking at a moral ill, something that has happened
that should go against the morality of your own culture
and your country. The moral standing of what you could
perceive or call yourself as a country or a culture
or a nation should be something that you should be
able to see and say, this should not be happening

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in our country, because we have a moral responsibility right,
and the police should also look at who is the
real criminal here? Is it this person that we caught
on the streets, you know, doing what their TRAFFICA told them?
What about the TRAFFICA who is behind the person? Because
it's a whole network, right, It's not just one person

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doing things, it's a whole network, right, So there's a
lot that comes into play. And this is why, again
I looked at this from so many different angles and roys.
It all came down to prevention because by the time
you are caught up and you're a survivor of human trafficking,
whether you get out, you're going to have to deal

(20:02):
with some of these systems and you might never get justice,
not because that the lawyer is doing what he supposed
he or she's supposed to do as a lawyer protect
If you're a criminal lawyer, that's what you do, you know.
I know it sounds very harsh and hard, but that's
the world we have built. We have created a world
where this is how it works. So the social care

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workers also, I know they advocate for human rights visas,
but the human rights visa also has certain things that
are tied to it. And of course you have to
prove a very strong case. And usually the evidence is
not always you know there because over years of forced labor,

(20:47):
sexual exploitation, and different course of techniques and systems that
have been used onto you, sometimes these tend to be intangible.
You can't say this happened. You know, he abused me.
With me, the scars maybe have healed over years. You know,
you don't have scars anymore to prove. You may have
old pictures, but you know, it gets very tricky, you know,

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with years to get the justice. And so for me,
it all boils down to prevention, and prevention starts with
awareness and education. And I say to people the simplest
thing you can do if you want to really really
help and human trafficking is start in your homes. What

(21:32):
do I mean by this? Raise children who are not broken.
Do not traumatize the people around your neighbor. Whether you're
in a school, If you're in a school and you're
a teacher, think about your students. Make sure you're raising
people who are whole. They're not broken, they're not traumatized,

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they're confident, they're healthy in mind, body and spirit. And
why I'm saying this is because us trafficas pray on brokenness.
They look for people who are broken and traumatized. They
look for people who are vulnerable socially and economically. Of course,

(22:15):
poverty also plays a role because they can lure you
with gifts, and you know, I can take care of you,
I can feed you, I can ducherat you whatever. Right,
So if you want to know what to do, I
think the first thing you can do is pay attention
to how you treat each other because if you are
a participant in creating brokenness in people, trauma, people, abusive language,

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abusive behavior physically, mentally, spiritually, or socially, you are actually
creating the potential next victim or target for a trafficer
because these are the people they pray on. I'm sorry,
I have a bit of a cough, so I hope
it's not so destructive. But these are the people that

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they pray on. So if you want to be of
big help, let us focus on raising have a healthy
home because imagine if Royce, if you had a healthy home,
your children are confident. You know, and this also includes
economics because they also prey on poverty and luck. So
imagine if you're able to take care of each other,

(23:25):
which means you may have to share and you may
have to move away from the excessive greed. Right. So
imagine if you have done all these things, think the
traffic are going to use to lure your children. They're
well taken care of, they know they have value, they're confident.

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Then they're not traumatized. They're healthy, you know. And I
could go on and on, but this is very, very important,
And that's what I mean by just keeping it simple
and being honest about finding a solution and then moving
into action in the most but I think, in the

(24:08):
most simplest way, you know, and it benefits everybody. True.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
So I have so many questions I am as you're talking.
First of all, I'm thinking about what you said about
don't traumatize your children and raise them with confidence and
all that. That's I think a lot easier said than done,
mainly because we're so vulnerable from the beginning of arrival

(24:41):
here that you know, my idea of being traumatized might
be that my mom didn't pick me up when I
was crying.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
You know.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Somebody else's idea of trauma might be I was beaten
until I was bloody. You know, we all have our
different levels of what amatizes us. So it's kind of,
I would say, very difficult to make sure to raise
your children without trauma, because you know, gosh, when I
lost my teddy bear, it was traumatic.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, but I think that
you do what you can do. And of course, as
a parent, you know, most parents will tell you if
you have several children, every child has a different need. Yeah,
So there's no blueprint that I can give you and
say do A and B. You have to understand your child.
You know, what does your child need in order to

(25:34):
feel whole? And we were talking about this, you know,
at the beginning you mentioned the spiritual side of human
trafficking and what I what I see, and this is
an observation, so it's also left to interpretation, and you know,
and of course it's not it doesn't maybe fit every

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single person's, every survivor's case or story, but I have
seen the aspect of loss and the reclamation of one's
identity is very important, and it's one that the traffickers
focus on in the very very early stages of human trafficking,
or you can go as far farther back into the

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grooming stages. What the human traffickers often do is they
strip the individual of their sense of self. Now what
does that mean. It means their names, their stories, their dignity,
their life, their support system, that thing that makes them
who they are. Now, with this loss of identity, which

(26:40):
is not just physical or social, but is also spiritual
because it's an aspect of who you are, it is
your essence, you see that, the healing process of survivors
requires them to start retrusting themselves, you know, reclaiming their
true self, finding it because the first thing they do
is strip that off so that you know, you don't

(27:03):
have that if you don't have that connection to self.
And spiritually, we know that when you don't have that
connection to self, we know what that can look like, right,
you know, because not having that connection to self, I
think will interfere with your inherent self worth, you know,

(27:28):
your purpose, your identity, you know. And I think this
kind of loss of identity I think can be very traumatizing.
And I say this because you can't put a finger
and a lot of these things are intangible, like you said,
they can't really be measured, but a lot of our

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systems require a measurement. They require proof and they require evidence.
So how do you measure your trauma in a legal sense?
You see? So this is why again we go back
to the prevention and what you like you said, what
you call trauma is not what somebody else calls trauma,

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But trauma is a tool that is used. So wherever
you are, you have to always think whether, even in
the workplace, you have to think of your actions. Are
your actions creating broken people, because then you are creating
somebody who's going to then be vulnerable and become a

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target for somebody who wants to fill the whole of
the gap. Make them feel valuable and special, make them
feel cared for and valued. So these are the things
that I need when people say what can I do?
You can change how you behave towards others. And the
more whole, the more we start to have people who

(28:53):
know they're valued, and people who are now showing up
as a whole and not broken, and people who are
who know that you know, somebody cares, you know, you
go to work and it's not about this toxic competition,
but it's about caring for each other. Then the gaps
that are used will start to close off these are

(29:16):
some of the gaps. And if they're not, if this
is not done Royce, and this is what I meant
by the urgency of changing our behavior, this is what
we are going to see the manifestation in a bigger
way of our collective shadow. Right now, people think that
we are seeing it as a big thing. Remember human

(29:38):
trafficking with all the work that there's so many people
who worked so hard in this field to help to
supporting all the fields I mentioned, the legal, the criminal,
the police, and the social workers, the caseworkers. But like
I said, they don't design the systems. So you can
do so much work here, and so much work here,

(29:58):
and so much work here somewhere in between. But if
they're not talking, then it's everyone is walking their own walk.
But these systems have to talk. So if we if
we don't focus on looking with honesty, it really requires
just honesty. I know it seems so simple, but most

(30:24):
people don't survive, you know, and when they survive, the
wounds of the trauma requires a lifelong healing. So I know,
maybe people who work in this field may have a
different way of problem solving, and I commend them because
when it comes to such a complex area. They're probably
a thousand ways to solve this problem. My observation is prevention, right, Yeah,

(30:51):
because this collective shadow thing, it's larger than what we
call a societal ill or a moral responsibility. You know,
it is built. It is built on prejudice, It is
built on fear, It is built on the imbalances, whether social,
economic or financial, and it is built on the lack

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of moral responsibilities by our communities and our cultures and countries.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Isn't a lot of it, Isn't it? A lot of
it based on the fact that people don't even know
this is happening.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
You know.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
It seems like in the last few years it's slowly
starting to come into our consciousness, but mostly people are
kind of like, oh, really that happens.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Yeah, because human trafficking is one of those things that
is actually hidden in plain sight. Yeah, you know. And
I want to invite all our listeners to literally take
the time and if you want to, if you want
to understand the profile of a traffica that you might
not have thought about, go and watch I think they
made a documentary or Netflix, but it's a story of

(32:01):
an Australian, not Australian Austrian. It's a story of an
Austrian girl, Natasha Compush. Go and find that documentary or
even just google Natasha Compush in Austria and you will
see what the profile was. If you look at her story,
you will realize that the people were the traffickers are

(32:24):
the closest to us. You know. So when people are saying, oh,
that happens, yes, it happens, because trafficking is not I
think it roys people think that people think that when
you talk of human trafficking, everyone thinks of prostitution and
sexual exploitation. But they don't think of the underpaid and

(32:46):
overworked cleaners who clean your hotel rooms. They don't think
of the apairs. They don't think of the people who
pick the fruits. You know. I think there's a case
right now, and I'm not sure how that's going. I
think it's little the supermarket, and it was brought to
light that they're they're found their their their fruit speakers

(33:07):
who pick the strawberries and not even allowed to use
the restaurant je. So this is what I mean by
the collective shadow, because remember, the laws of the systems
are in place, but who is enforcing these things that
who is this supervisor who said you cannot use the restaurant? Right?

Speaker 5 (33:31):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. And also come, you
know when you go through when when you start identifying
a survivor a victim of human trafficking, we change the
word from victim to survivors because they're not victims anymore,
they're survivors.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
That's how I use that our listeners who might not
understand why I'm saying that. But when you're going through
identity to find the survivors of human trafficking, one of
the key questions you ask her what is your work like,
what are your working hours like? You know, do you

(34:14):
have breaks and days off? This is to identify survivors
of human trafficking who've already been rescued from a place
that was obviously doing something that we're not supposed to
be doing. Now, some of you know that where you work,
you're not allowed to break. Some of you know that

(34:35):
where you work you don't get a day off. Some
of you know that where you work, you work long hours,
way above what is humanly possible, and you get paid
minimum wage, or if you're illegal or undocumented, even less.

(35:00):
So this is what I mean by having the awareness
of what is happening, Because Royce, if you dig deep
into the list of identification, everyone in the chat or
will be raising their hand. Have you ever asked for
permission to use the restroom all your life? Freedom of movement?

(35:21):
Do you have the freedom to leave your place of
work or your home freely whenever you want to? How
and when you want to? How many people cannot do that?
You have to ask permission? Right? Is your financial And
I'm just thinking that we have one hundred questions that

(35:43):
you go through the mini and they're broken into different
categories depend on who you're identifying, but these are the
general ones. Does anyone withhold financial resources of coercion or blackmail?
I want the housewives to raise their hands because human trafficking? Yeah?

(36:06):
Can you put on anything that you want to put on?
The way you want to wear it, how and when
you want to wear it. You may think that these
are questions that are only asked of prostitutes, but some
of you cannot dress as you choose. So this is
the thing Rys. Everyone thinks, oh, you know, this is
not me, this is them. But if we when I

(36:28):
share these questions, has anyone ever held financial resources as
a form of coercion or manipulation to make you right.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Well, yeah, I could.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Go on and on, and that's why I say it's
a painful topic and a difficult one, but it requires
honesty because then you get off your high horse and
you stop thinking that. You know, when survivors come forth
and talk and share their stories, people are too quick
to critique and to judge them and even to humanize
them and say, how are they so stupid? How did

(37:05):
they do this? Why do you think we're better? But
that's not the case. They were trafficked by No, it
was never their fault, you know, they just they were targeted,
they were groomed, and they got into a very difficult situation.
And now we're looking at somebody who has survived. That

(37:27):
should be the key word. But the reason also a
lot of survivors don't come forward is the shame and
the humiliation and the and the and the lack of
compassion that comes from the public. But when I read,
if I was to read the whole list of identification,
many people would get off their high horse and realize that,

(37:48):
hold on, this happened to me. But you know, I'm
not to blame for not being able to have freedom
of movement from my workplace. You see, you're not to
blame for that. You didn't make them.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yeah, we need to take a break, but when we
come back, I want to talk to you a little
bit more about the Sorry, the trash trucks here, all
kinds of joys. Anyway, I want to talk to you
some more about the spiritual implications of this, because as

(38:24):
you're talking, I'm thinking, Well, first of all, I just
flashed on a memory. I used to have a I
owned my own business in Redondo Beach, California, and it's
a very high level area, shall we say, very wealthy area.
And there was this beautiful cafe that was opened right

(38:45):
in the center of Redondo Beach, and it at least
stayed open for a year because all of a sudden,
there were rumors going around that all the employees were trafficked,
and everyone in Redondo Beach was absolute shocked, just mortified.
How could this happen in Redondo Beach And what do
you mean? And it's such a beautiful and everybody was

(39:07):
dressed so nicely, and the employees were all so nice. Well,
they were all trafficked when they had to close, and
I'd forgotten about that, and it just blew everyone away
because this doesn't happen. I mean, that was the attitude.
This doesn't happen, so it can be happening. We don't
even realize it, and it's so out of our reality

(39:30):
that we can't even conceive that it could happen in
such a nice place like Redondo Beach. But anyway, we
will be right back. I'm talking to Faith Ditch and
we are talking about such a horrendous topic and we're
going to get into the spirituality of all of this
in a minute. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 2 (42:17):
Welcome back, I am talking with faith dich and we're
talking about human trafficking, and if you're hanging in there
with us, thank you, because this is such an important topic,
and as you keep saying, it's so important that people
know about it, not only to prevent it, but from

(42:38):
my viewpoint, it's from resolving why we would even do
that to another human being, and that I think is
the spiritual question, why why? But I wanted to add
my two cents, and as you know, Faith, I talk
about this on your show a couple times, and that
is how the truth is. On a spiritual level, we

(42:59):
choose our life lifetime. We figure out what will be
the best way for us to learn and to clean
up anything that we've done in past lives and to
bring whatever it is that we're supposed to bring to
this lifetime, to our family, to our children, to the world.
And that, as far as I'm concerned, is what everybody does.

(43:24):
So people that go through human trafficking have on some
spiritual level chosen to go through this for all of
the above reasons, maybe to clean something up that they've done,
or maybe to bring some important awareness.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
To the world.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
That's my I'll vote for that one for that because
it just seems like, you know, we've got to get it.
We've got to understand why we as a society, as
you said, the shadow part of society, why we allow
that to happen. You know, there must be part of
us this is oh, it's okay, whatever you know, or

(44:00):
we just don't know enough about it to say, no,
this is not okay. So let's talk about that a
little bit. Why would somebody on a spiritual level choose
to go through such a horrendous lifetime like that? We
have thoughts about that.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
I do, because, right, you know, a missus practical, right,
and when it comes to the horrendous this is a
good word that you use, the horrendous things that survivors
have experienced. I tend to think that I cannot this

(44:41):
is I cannot see how you chose this, because again,
I see things from a very practical standpoint, right, And
I always wonder. I know, you know, we've talked, I've
talked to guests. You know, you know guests who have
shared you know, their perspective on reincarnation, and you know,
you have a contract and whatever. And because of the

(45:03):
way my mind works, which is in the practical sense,
you know, those who share to me that Earth is
a school where you're here to learn lessons. I tend
to look at it from a practical way that if
I am going to a school, then I should know
at what grade I am entering the school. So I
should know that I enter it in kindergarten and now
I'm going to first grade. I should also know that

(45:25):
I'm entering at the master's level and I am here
to do the PhD. And I should be able to
have all the tools and the equipment from all my
years of education in Earth School to be able to
excel in my PhD level. Now, for me, I don't
see the evidence of this because when people come to

(45:47):
the school, they almost come without knowing what it is.
They don't come with a with a there's no curriculum,
there's no blueprint of what it is that you're here
to study. There is no is no evidence that you
you know, you're you know, it's not running like a
school that wants you to excel, meaning you should have
the curriculum in place. If I'm a teacher and I

(46:10):
want you to excel, I should equip you with the curriculum.
I should equip you with the tools, and I should
let you know that you are excellent in history in
your last grade. And now I want you to open
up again because we're going to history three or one,
right because you did well in two or one. Now

(46:30):
with this in mind, remember I am very practical in
the sense that I can see this as because you know,
human beings, Let's just face it, if they don't have
to do something, then they don't have to do it.
That's the human nature. If I don't have to clean
the house, and there was some I could waive a one,
then it could get cleaned miraculously. I'm sure many people
would pick that option. And so if if people believe

(46:54):
that you're going through this experience because you chose it,
they might back off and say, you know, why should
I experience? Why should I interfere with their school? You know,
why should I interfere with their learning experience? But what
I've seen from human trafficking is every single person and
I haven't met one who was not whose exit or

(47:17):
survival was not based on the help of a stranger.
I've not met one who it wasn't. And I had
a guest on Sherry Lopez. She calls the puzzon who
helped her an angel. So I've had these stories of angels,
of people helping. So basically, most survivors depend on the

(47:37):
help from another person, you know, and most of the
people who I have seen, and this is an observation,
and I know people have worked with who have worked
in this field have encountered a plethora of characters. But
the people that I have come to see have been
trafficked have been the kindest, sweetest people, those people who

(48:01):
trust and give unconditional love. And this is also something
that people have taken advantage of because they trust that
what you say is the truth. And I believe you
when you said that you will care for me because
I have been abused here by my parents. I had
went from one foster care home to another. And now
you say you'll give me a home, I trust that

(48:22):
you will do the right thing. Now again, you have
to realize that trafficking is a business. It is a business,
and so the trafficas don't see the human being as
a human being. They are more in the business of
commodification of human life. So when they look at you,
they're trying to see what is this product and what

(48:45):
is it? What is the business model? I know it
sounds really bad, but these are the realities. We want
to have an honest conversation. We have to understand this
because again you mentioned the spiritual side of it. If
everyone turns a blind eye, which I think more people
have turned blind eyes than helped, the numbers of human trafficking,

(49:07):
regardless of how hard people are working on this field,
is going like this. It's going like this, not like this.
It's going like this. So with that in mind, and
then the resources, because it's going like this, there is
then a shortage of resources for all these different areas.

(49:32):
So they are less shelters, and they are less shelter
care workers because the numbers are going like this, not
like this, you know. And so again spiritually, I've seen
that these people who helped, and I don't want to. Yeah,

(49:55):
there was one particular man who God bless his soul.
He was. He called because he's suspected that a woman
was being exploited on the street and he was brave
enough to call it. I remember the hotline asked him,
why did you make this call? And he said intuition.

(50:16):
The thing about human trafficking, he knew nothing. In fact,
he was you know, he was a man on a
street looking for manly things. Okay, so but he said, no,
this doesn't seem right, you know, And his intuition saved
five lives, not one he called for one, but five

(50:37):
were saved. Wow. So this is what again, the spiritual
side of things is the intuition that in a knowing,
if it feels wrong and you're observing it, you know,
especially when your places and you're trying to talk to
someone and someone keeps talking over them and answering the
questions for them and they don't get to say a word,

(50:57):
but you're specifically speaking to that because you can sense
something is off, then there is something off there, you know.
So that that intuition and that in a voice, that
in a knowing, and that in a in a I
don't know what to say, yeah, I said, in a knowing,

(51:19):
it goes both ways. Because even the survivors said, you know,
because these were people who they trusted, an auntie, a
trusted uncle, a friend, an auntie and you know, people
they really trusted. So it takes time to believe that
someone you love, trust and care for is doing these
things to you, you know. And so they said there

(51:39):
was an inner voice that said enough is enough. You see,
So again they found their spiritual connection to that aspect
of themselves that was still there, that little spark, and
then within that spark they found the energy to leave.
But then that's where the journey begins of healing, you know,

(52:04):
that's one aspect of things.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Yeah, as you're talking, I'm thinking, I think all of
us have experienced moments like that, whether it's through trafficking
or just getting into a relationship that you shouldn't get into,
or marrying somebody that you know is wrong for you.
All of us have that inner knowing and we just
don't listen to it, and then we learn, oh, I
should have listened to it. So yeah, and back to

(52:31):
your example of education or going to school, human school.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Say, I'm not a believer. Yeah, we do.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
We are told where we land, you know, we're told
all of this in terms of spiritually upon arrival. It's like, okay,
you're you're landing in kindergarten because you really need to
learn a lot, or your land in that PhD level
because you know it all already, but we don't remember
until something triggers us to remember. You know, I know

(53:09):
I had my awakening at a certain point where I
was like, oh, that's who I am, and then I
kind of jumped up a few grades real fast because
I was sort of stuck in those lower grades for
a while.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
Because I hadn't remembered yet.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
But we all do know. We do know, and it's
just a process of awakening, and maybe some of us
have to awaken through being trafficked, you know, whatever it takes.
I always say that to people. It's like, Wow, I
had to go through a lot of hell to get
to awaken, and whatever it takes, I'm grateful for it, so,

(53:41):
you know, And again, it needs to go back down
to the roots of why we as humans feel like
it's okay to do this to other humans. Why is
it okay to go to war, Why is it okay
to take advantage of people. Why is it okay to
lie to people or take them from their home or
their country. That's the lesson for all of us. And

(54:03):
I think on some level we are all okay with
certain even what you were saying about buying that five
dollars dress, We're okay with that because we just go
la la, la la la. I don't see that this
was a traffic dress.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
And I like it.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
So what it's five dollars? You know, we have that
attitude toward things rather than no, this is not okay.
It's not okay to cut down the rainforest for toilet paper.
It's not okay. So ah, we need to awaken. There
we go. So what else? We only have a couple
of minutes here? What else can you say that we'll

(54:40):
inspire our audience to take action and to make some
changes in their life and to be aware.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
I think that when you stand from a start point
and you ask yourself, when you're present in your actions,
per se and you ask yourselves, what am I supporting?
Is it? Is? It? Is? It? Is? It? Is it
part of the problem? Or is it part of the solution? Right?

(55:11):
Because you know, I use the collective shot of for
lack of better words. I just don't know which other
words to use to describe the reality is surrounding the
reality surrounding power, privilege, complicity, not my not my you know,

(55:33):
not my business, none of my business. You know, you know,
I can only focus on me. But that's not the
reality of where we live in There is no individuality.
I know people like to say we are individuals. Yes,
we are. Me and Royce are not the same as
you could see. We are very individual in a lot

(55:53):
of things, in the way we think, in the way
we live, in a lot of things, and even in
the way we look right. But when you look at
the bigger picture, we are all participating as part of
an ecosystem. You know, you are not You are not.
You eat food that is coming from Mother Nature. You
drink the water, you breathe the air. The food was

(56:14):
grown by somebody. You didn't grow it yourself. You didn't
do everything yourself. The dresses were wearing, we didn't make
these dresses that you will do. So you're not an
individual in that sense that the furniture you sit on,
from the wood to the to the to the fabrics
on it involved others and involved Mother Nature the raw materials.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Right.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
So your home is a whole ecosystem, and it already
shows you that there is a collective responsibility. Right. So,
I think the only thing I ask as my party
in words, is okay, okay, Yes, I think in a nutshell,

(56:57):
I think pay attention, be present, and just think about
your actions in the sense that what you're doing is
it beneficial or detrimental to others and thank you.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
How do they give us your website or not it's
on the screen, but tell us your website.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Yeah you can. If you have questions, I always say
reach out because these are emergency questions. Usually reach out
to the emergency numbers. Okay first, That's what I tell people.
But if you have other questions, maybe you work with
human trafficking and need some guidance and need some support,
then you can reach out to me GWC dot org

(57:35):
and then the email is on the screen Flower at
GWC dot org. Okay, but always remember people, you reach
out to the emergency numbers first, because there is a
process and there's a.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Producol Great, gotta go. Thank you so much, keep up
the incredible work. So great to talk.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
With you and say here right as always.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Thank you all so much for listening and being aware.
Thank you, see you next week, okay. I

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